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Speaker 1: A year before his death and one of his most
Speaker 1: revered speeches, Martin Luther King Jr. Named three main evils
Speaker 1: plaguing America racism, poverty, and war. Decades later, the Fight
Speaker 1: for Black Lives unfolded into Portland streets in a fashion
Speaker 1: few could have imagined, transforming small city blocks into daily
Speaker 1: battle grounds. As the fed wars continued, protesters, fortified numbers
Speaker 1: swelt in Portland grabbed the nation's attention. Out of state
Speaker 1: media flew into town searching for juice headlines. Likewise, a
Speaker 1: network of opportunists live streamers traveled to Portland, hoping to
Speaker 1: capture what many activists dubbed riot porn video of police gassing, snatching, rushing, beating, berating,
Speaker 1: and arresting Portlanders. And alongside all this less obvious but
Speaker 1: much more impressive. An infrastructure of resistance began to grow. Angry,
Speaker 1: chanting signs and tearful demands were augmented by mutual aid.
Speaker 1: More than a month then, Portlanders learned that if they
Speaker 1: were going to last against the paramilitaries of both the
Speaker 1: President and the mayor, they were going to have to
Speaker 1: take better care of each other. For the cops, things
Speaker 1: had gotten pretty routine at this point, stop criminal activity,
Speaker 1: protect property, but federal escalation begged the question would Portland
Speaker 1: back down? Despite grievous bodily harm, unmarked federal snatch fans,
Speaker 1: and overwhelming use of riot munitions, Portlanders continued to fill
Speaker 1: the streets past the fiftieth straight day of protests, and
Speaker 1: the answer to the question will Portland back down became
Speaker 1: increasingly clear. No, here's my colleague and getting exposed to
Speaker 1: chemical weapons. Elaine Kinchen to continue the story. The battle
Speaker 1: against Trump's Feds gained Portland nationwide notoriety in the summer
Speaker 1: of but many longtime activists on the scene, like Max Smith,
Speaker 1: considered the whole fight to be at best something of
Speaker 1: a distraction, a fight and fence that wasn't what we
Speaker 1: were here for. You know. The fence was like some
Speaker 1: ship that kind of it was like I used to
Speaker 1: call it the Grand Effect autos aside mission, like this
Speaker 1: is this has nothing to do with what we're supposed
Speaker 1: to be doing right now, but we have to complete
Speaker 1: this to get back in the game, you know. And
Speaker 1: it was really weird, and I think at that moment
Speaker 1: I really realized that the distraction was intentional and that
Speaker 1: this was all getting just diverted to become like a
Speaker 1: like a Trump campaign at you know, He's gonna come
Speaker 1: through and support these police union and this is his
Speaker 1: big commercial for it. So it was a very uh.
Speaker 1: I felt like it was a frustrating part of the
Speaker 1: protest because a was really dangerous and people were really
Speaker 1: getting hurt and kidnapped and all that kind of weird stuff.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, it wasn't the fight
Speaker 1: that I wanted to, you know, to be fighting, but
Speaker 1: it was. But it's the fight that brings out a
Speaker 1: lot of people. So a very contrasting and confusing time.
Speaker 1: For sure, thousands would attend each night, and the atmosphere
Speaker 1: began to resemble a strange nightly festival, ending in the
Speaker 1: wee hours of the morning with assaults by federal officers
Speaker 1: and clouds of poison gas. A man with a gas
Speaker 1: mask and hockey stick showed up one night to knock
Speaker 1: canisters away. Teams of people with lacrosse sticks followed. When
Speaker 1: lines of federal agents pushed forward, launching gas grenades. Walls
Speaker 1: of protesters would now regularly toss the rounds back into
Speaker 1: and behind the fedlines, as protesters behind them use leafblowers
Speaker 1: to direct the gas back at the courthouse, and squads
Speaker 1: of medics and the re retreated people as they rotated
Speaker 1: in and out of the front lines. The Federal Courthouse
Speaker 1: had many of the windows of its facade destroyed by
Speaker 1: fireworks and projectiles, and the clouds of gas rendered the
Speaker 1: bottom seven stories of the building uninhabitable. Assaults on the
Speaker 1: fence were an integral part of nightly protests. Erected at
Speaker 1: a cost of two hundred thousand dollars and later reinforced
Speaker 1: with concrete barriers, it was repeatedly dismantled by protesters and
Speaker 1: piled in front of courthouse doors. The city, too wanted
Speaker 1: the fence gone, it was blocking a bike lane without permits.
Speaker 1: City attorneys sent a cease and desist letter to the
Speaker 1: federal government. Portland's City Commissioner Chloe you Daily stated the
Speaker 1: fence is an abuse of public space and the threat
Speaker 1: to the traveling public, and that this illegal action will
Speaker 1: not be tolerated in our community. You Daily leveled a
Speaker 1: fine of five hundred dollars against the federal government for
Speaker 1: every fifteen minutes that the fence remained on city property,
Speaker 1: or forty eight thousand dollars a day. By August, the
Speaker 1: fines topped five hundred thousand dollars. Protest regular Cremberley describes
Speaker 1: a new turn in the protests resembling a festival. I
Speaker 1: think like fest night is what it was made to
Speaker 1: go from life. This is interesting to like this is
Speaker 1: a full blown like theatrical spectacle um the actual spect book.
Speaker 1: But it was huge, and I don't know, it was
Speaker 1: I feel like talking about all this stuff that I'm
Speaker 1: having so much fun with thinking, but it was so
Speaker 1: much fun. Honestly, the f nice Like it was no
Speaker 1: there was some scary traumatic ship that happened, and I
Speaker 1: was genuinely scary for my whole as life a couple
Speaker 1: of times. But like, I don't know if I tell everybody,
Speaker 1: felt like I'm succestival where you also thought cops. Did
Speaker 1: that make sense because if you were just like at
Speaker 1: the j C could see the fact the j C
Speaker 1: co l rocket is you know something, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, you walked by, you just send people that
Speaker 1: ship I was drugs. So it really felt like a
Speaker 1: music festival and there was a lot of fun um
Speaker 1: you know, I guess it's also scary the energy and
Speaker 1: the tension, you know, super high as the fence. The
Speaker 1: fence period is like early fence days were like we're
Speaker 1: shaping the fence. That specifically my favorite serious just because
Speaker 1: everyone which is so I raided at that point, like
Speaker 1: why they put up a fence and we came back
Speaker 1: with like lawnmoat or not longmoor sleep flowers. They came
Speaker 1: back the place flowers. And it was one night like
Speaker 1: I saw like multiple people of circular songs where from
Speaker 1: the fence, and I just really loved the enginuity of
Speaker 1: a great type of shield walls of a great time
Speaker 1: someone through uh do a tear gap answer back over
Speaker 1: the fence l across Yeah. Uh shown to be me
Speaker 1: talking about kids in years. One of the things that
Speaker 1: became clear early into the protests, even before the FEDS
Speaker 1: came is that if you didn't have a gas mask,
Speaker 1: you were going to need one. COVID had already given
Speaker 1: the world a bit of a post apocalyptic feel between
Speaker 1: the looming danger of the virus and everyone being behind masks,
Speaker 1: but the growing number of respirators that actions accentuated that
Speaker 1: the immense quantity of gas that the federal forces used
Speaker 1: made respirators and gas masks unnecessary piece of equipment, and
Speaker 1: as the summer dragged on, protesters began mobilizing to get
Speaker 1: respirators into the hands of all that needed them. Sixteen
Speaker 1: year old Ariana Moorehead says that she's got her first
Speaker 1: gas mask over the summer through mutual aid, you know,
Speaker 1: the community bringing everything everybody together. Um, we parties from
Speaker 1: Freedom actually had a couple gas masks donated to them,
Speaker 1: So that's where I got mine from. Uh. The helmet
Speaker 1: I got from another group by organized with which is
Speaker 1: our Streets p d AX. And then I forgot work
Speaker 1: on my goggles from. But yeah, just you know the community.
Speaker 1: After a few bouts with police and right Ring militiaman,
Speaker 1: her uniform had graduated. Now every night she went out,
Speaker 1: she was ready from head to toe in an outfit
Speaker 1: she never expected she would need. The first couple of
Speaker 1: nights was really bad inter gas and I'm like, okay, mom,
Speaker 1: mute system can't do this. Like I just had milk
Speaker 1: to save my eyes from your gas. But now I
Speaker 1: had goggles, a helmet, a gas mask. Um, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people haven't wanted to get me a bullet
Speaker 1: with vest, but I haven't gotten one yet, you know,
Speaker 1: just in case. Because I'm pretty known by a lot
Speaker 1: of white supremacts. So it's kind of triggering for me. Um,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I've got not sent to my house,
Speaker 1: Like God, We're not like God Like still, like i
Speaker 1: haven't gotten be sent to my house, but I've gotten
Speaker 1: some through my go fund me. I've had some sent
Speaker 1: to my number. I had to change my number and everything. Um,
Speaker 1: I've had some saying over email, social media. Uh, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Started need to be you know, safe at all times.
Speaker 1: But yeah, right, it gives like helmet, goggles, face masks.
Speaker 1: Max Smith describes needing to get better gear as the
Speaker 1: violence from federal forces grew more intense. The first thing
Speaker 1: was like, oh, ship, I need equipment. I got a
Speaker 1: helmet in the face shield and got shot in the
Speaker 1: face like a day later. So, you know, I saw
Speaker 1: on video I was watching and Drey's fee when he
Speaker 1: got hit in the head um with a gas canister
Speaker 1: at last ready to skull. So I started seeing, like
Speaker 1: people are getting hurt out here. I had actually saw
Speaker 1: I was his name with Chris the taser face. I
Speaker 1: had seen him the day before he got beat and
Speaker 1: I was with the buddy of my world that that
Speaker 1: guy is huge. Who was this guy over here? We
Speaker 1: were just talking about how big this guy was, And
Speaker 1: the next ding I see him on the news getting
Speaker 1: his ass bet, you know, and I'm like, wow, Like
Speaker 1: they're really beating everybody up out here. And there were
Speaker 1: thousands of people out there, and people were like just
Speaker 1: being massively, just beat in mass and that's the thing.
Speaker 1: And people didn't have masks or anything. We were just
Speaker 1: getting tear gas and going to the corner and walking
Speaker 1: to the the sixth Avenue and getting our faces a flushed
Speaker 1: out of walking back down again. You know, I remember
Speaker 1: the solid at derity being crazy, but I also remember
Speaker 1: thinking this is not what the hell we're here for.
Speaker 1: Another activist also describes the process of gearing up the
Speaker 1: first night that I went out to the Justice Center
Speaker 1: at you know, the original fence. I had on a
Speaker 1: pair of jeans, boots, a sweatshirt, and a hat. And
Speaker 1: you know that went from that night when it was raining,
Speaker 1: and then on my birthday actually, which is June. Um,
Speaker 1: my dad texted me and said that he spotted me
Speaker 1: on a live stream because I was wearing like a
Speaker 1: plaid shirt and a pair of light colored jeans. And
Speaker 1: then that was kind of when it clicked for me.
Speaker 1: They're like, Okay, this is why people are consistently wearing
Speaker 1: black down here, Like you don't want to be recognizable,
Speaker 1: even though I've never you know, thrown anything or let
Speaker 1: anything on fire, tagged anything, like, you know, just not
Speaker 1: being able to spot someone is you know, it has
Speaker 1: its values, um, And it went from you know, jeans
Speaker 1: and a sweatshirt to needing a respirator and goggles, and
Speaker 1: then to needing a vest, a bulletproof vest, helmet, you know,
Speaker 1: all the different gear that we've needed to make sure
Speaker 1: that we just protect ourselves. It's not about us weaponizing.
Speaker 1: It's not about us buying a bunch of guns when
Speaker 1: we're you know, to carry around when we're down at
Speaker 1: the protests. It's not about that. It's about making sure
Speaker 1: that we don't die and then we don't get hurt.
Speaker 1: And I was there the night that Donovan was shot,
Speaker 1: Like I was the person that ran across the park
Speaker 1: to go get the medics. And that was a huge
Speaker 1: weakening moment, Like I saw brain fluid come out of
Speaker 1: his nose, you know, like that's a that's a big
Speaker 1: moment to know, like, Okay, we should probably make sure
Speaker 1: that that doesn't happen to a bunch more of us.
Speaker 1: Keeping people breathing became integral to the protesting and at
Speaker 1: the end of July, as the gas intensified, Team Raccoon
Speaker 1: work to get filters to the protesters that needed them.
Speaker 1: We got a little bit of money from mutually donations
Speaker 1: and we were wondering what because part cleans are pretty
Speaker 1: low cost, you know, trash bags, trash grabbers doesn't cost
Speaker 1: a lot of money to maintain that. So we were wondering, like,
Speaker 1: what do we do with this money that will really
Speaker 1: help our community. And we were noticing the air quality
Speaker 1: in Loudsdale and Chapman getting worse and worse and worse
Speaker 1: because of the tear gas and the chemical communitions every night,
Speaker 1: even just walking through there during the day you wanted
Speaker 1: to put your respirator on at the end of July.
Speaker 1: So we we'ren acted to some researchers who wanted to
Speaker 1: keep a certain level of anonymity, and we decided the
Speaker 1: best way to do that was through us. We could
Speaker 1: accept filters from the protest community and we could give
Speaker 1: them to the researchers. The researchers could conduct their studies
Speaker 1: and the privacy that they want, and we could use
Speaker 1: Mutual Aid money to facilitate that. So that's how it started.
Speaker 1: UM we were able to locally sourced respirators through a
Speaker 1: local company UM and to start, I think we got
Speaker 1: about four cases of filters and then started getting respirators
Speaker 1: after the fact to kind of like both keep people
Speaker 1: safe and promote like the Filter Exchange. If you don't
Speaker 1: have a respirator now you do. Now you can participate
Speaker 1: in the Filter Exchange later on, and then there's another
Speaker 1: data point for our scientists. So we were already set
Speaker 1: up doing the respirators, doing the Filter Exchange program. We
Speaker 1: had a lot sitting around and on the hundred Days
Speaker 1: and Ventura Park. It was a big event and I
Speaker 1: was not there that night, but I did watch it
Speaker 1: from the live streams, and it was horrifying. As Trump's
Speaker 1: troops catapulted Portland into the national spotlight, cameras descended on
Speaker 1: the city. For more than a month, the protests had
Speaker 1: been covered by a small group of local reporters. Suddenly
Speaker 1: the New York Times, the Washington Posts, and every major
Speaker 1: news network were crowding around the Federal courthouse on a
Speaker 1: nightly basis. Right around the time the Fed War started,
Speaker 1: a federal judge passed the temporary Restraining Order banning federal
Speaker 1: agents from attacking marked press. Whether this stopped any brutalities
Speaker 1: up for debate. The press freedom Trackers statistics suggests the
Speaker 1: Portland press were assaulted more often than press in any
Speaker 1: other city in What the restraining order did was explode
Speaker 1: the number of people who went out with cameras to
Speaker 1: live stream and film. The sheer number of people with
Speaker 1: cameras became an issue for many activists. At times, it
Speaker 1: was physically challenging just to maneuver around the courthouse, so
Speaker 1: much space was being taken up by people marked press.
Speaker 1: All this documentation also caused a problem for protesters taking
Speaker 1: a legal direct action against federal agents and property. The
Speaker 1: flood of cameras amounted to constant live surveillance from every
Speaker 1: conceivable angle. Black block and umbrellas helped to shield people,
Speaker 1: but there was no perfect solution. Direct action was hampered.
Speaker 1: Midway through the Fed War, the Oragonian, a local paper,
Speaker 1: was able to get a journalist inside the federal courthouse.
Speaker 1: They took a picture inside the command center, which featured
Speaker 1: a large computer monitor showing numerous live stream feeds of
Speaker 1: the protests. This convinced many committed activists that streamers were
Speaker 1: their enemy, and the fact that live stream footage was
Speaker 1: used in federal charging documents seemed to support that. However,
Speaker 1: the matter was not that simple. Early live streams of
Speaker 1: police violence had played a major role in getting thousands
Speaker 1: of Portlanders out into the streets. Over and over again,
Speaker 1: we heard stories from activists who first learned how to
Speaker 1: handle tear gas or who were radicalized to start coming
Speaker 1: out because they watched streams. Federal law enforcement clearly used
Speaker 1: live streams for intelligence as well, but it's also very
Speaker 1: possible they made certainly. The Oregonian took a picture of
Speaker 1: their wall of live streams because they saw the streams
Speaker 1: as a major avenue by which protesters recruited more numbers
Speaker 1: and built public sympathy. Whatever the truth, that Oregonian article
Speaker 1: convinced several members of the press to stop live streaming
Speaker 1: and to move to more carefully posting short videos of
Speaker 1: the action. As a result, live streaming was increasingly done
Speaker 1: by newbies who had flooded into Portland seeking easy cash.
Speaker 1: The streamer apocalypse would continue as people brought gimbals and
Speaker 1: started plugging their cash app every five minutes on stream.
Speaker 1: It should be noted there were also a number of
Speaker 1: Portlanders who slapped press onto their helmet in the hope
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't get beat up as much, which some
Speaker 1: might call a damning indictment of the state's use of force.
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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. As the FED war
Speaker 1: raged on, one local critic was especially vocal about the
Speaker 1: optics of the protests. In Double A CP Portland's chapter President,
Speaker 1: Pastor E. D. Mondane described the protests as devolving into
Speaker 1: white spectacle in a widely circulated Washington Post op ed
Speaker 1: quote from the article what are Antifa another leftist agitators
Speaker 1: achieving for the cause of black equality? The mall of Moms,
Speaker 1: while perhaps well intentioned, ends up redirecting attention away from
Speaker 1: the urgent issue of murdered black bodies, he stated, before
Speaker 1: asking Portlanders to vacate the streets and instead to begin
Speaker 1: fighting at schools, city councils, and other governments. Now, while
Speaker 1: he also called for the Feds to leave, Pastor Mondane's
Speaker 1: call for Portlanders to pull out of the streets drew
Speaker 1: the ire of many organizers on the ground. It also
Speaker 1: earned Mondane airtime on national news outlets, which only ended
Speaker 1: when a lengthy expose later that fall revealed that he
Speaker 1: had been alleged of engaging in sexual, mental, and emotional
Speaker 1: abuse by nearly a dozen members of his church. Now
Speaker 1: since the fourth of July, one of the regular and
Speaker 1: most revered sites at the protests was Riot Ribbs, a
Speaker 1: free pop up barbecue food cart. Riot Ribbs was so
Speaker 1: beloved in Portland that even local politicians who had been
Speaker 1: negative about the protests were hard pressed to say a
Speaker 1: single bad word about them. The restaurant had started operations
Speaker 1: the night of July fourth, thanks to a former black
Speaker 1: panther named Lorenzo, Riot Ribbs quickly became a large scale operation,
Speaker 1: feeding protesters and helping the local homeless population. After a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, the operation expanded into clothing donations, a
Speaker 1: large medical tent, resume help, and haircuts. The Ribs made
Speaker 1: local dining news, and protesters would often wait in line
Speaker 1: through clouds of tear gas to get them. They were
Speaker 1: pretty darn good. Volunteers cleaned the park and supplied equipment
Speaker 1: to protesters and again to the local houseless population. Morgan,
Speaker 1: currently with Team Raccoon, who volunteered at Riot Ribs, describes
Speaker 1: some of the work that they would do well so
Speaker 1: the park clean itself. UM for volunteers was basically just um,
Speaker 1: show up. We have trash grabbers. You get to keep
Speaker 1: a pair of gardening gloves, UM, so you have something
Speaker 1: to protect your hands. We have sanitizer masks, anything that
Speaker 1: anybody would need, and that would just focus on picking
Speaker 1: up litter around the park. But myself and a couple
Speaker 1: of UM people that were doing with Riot Ribs. Every
Speaker 1: day we took the uh the biggest hits on the bathrooms.
Speaker 1: UM even at one point, UM like during cart cleans,
Speaker 1: I would have volunteers picking up litter and picking up trash.
Speaker 1: But one thing I would go and do is I
Speaker 1: would get cat litter and put cat litter down behind
Speaker 1: the bathrooms, which is where people were peeing usually. UM,
Speaker 1: it was getting to be a sanitation issue. So what
Speaker 1: we were doing was we were putting cat litter down
Speaker 1: and then scooping it away when I got used, and
Speaker 1: then putting fresh litter down. So myself in a couple
Speaker 1: of people from Riot Ribs were really doing the majority
Speaker 1: of that dirty work UM and volunteers were UM doing
Speaker 1: basically litter clean up and just general maintenance. Beds however,
Speaker 1: had a different view of the operation well. The rain
Speaker 1: of tear gas and munition seemed largely indiscriminate. Volunteers at
Speaker 1: Riot Ribs were regularly pelted with rubber bullets and even
Speaker 1: arrest it. An early morning sweep at Chapman and Loundesdale
Speaker 1: Squares even saw police booting houseless people from the respective parks,
Speaker 1: seizing all of Riot Ribbs equipment, and arresting nine people,
Speaker 1: some of whom had helped run the cart. During the raids,
Speaker 1: Federal forces would pepper spray the grills and ruined donated equipment.
Speaker 1: In response, volunteers would dutifully take the ruined lit grills
Speaker 1: and dumped them over the fence around the Federal courthouse.
Speaker 1: One night, during a federal rush, all of the donated
Speaker 1: medical supplies were sprayed with mace, as of course, ruined them.
Speaker 1: Every time Riot Ribbs was targeted and its crew arrested,
Speaker 1: its equipment destroyed, more donations would come in, New people
Speaker 1: would come over to volunteer, and new equipment would be
Speaker 1: you know provided. In just a couple of weeks, the effort,
Speaker 1: which had started as just a one man operation, had
Speaker 1: raised more than three hundred thousand dollars to keep going.
Speaker 1: But just as quickly as the love came, there were
Speaker 1: new questions about the group's operations. In fact, both Wall
Speaker 1: of Moms and Riot Ribs soon faced sharp growing pains
Speaker 1: as new money and spotlights of attention spread, creeping suspicion
Speaker 1: among some in the activist community, and even doubts about safety. Courtney,
Speaker 1: who had started out protesting with Mall of Moms, described
Speaker 1: the night out with them that convinced her to quit.
Speaker 1: So um that night in particular, I know that that
Speaker 1: was the first night that actually mom got arrested. There
Speaker 1: was one mom in particular that like she got arrested,
Speaker 1: but then she also got her head like I don't
Speaker 1: know if they shot her directly in the head, but
Speaker 1: that's when she had her head busted open. So throughout
Speaker 1: that night, I was like, this is just not that,
Speaker 1: this is just not right, Like I don't understand they
Speaker 1: have like this these Facebook pages and these twitters and
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff to like communicate things with people,
Speaker 1: and nothing was communicated in a way for like to
Speaker 1: mentally prepare these women when they show us um, And
Speaker 1: so that just throughout the night, I was just so
Speaker 1: annoyed with all of that, and I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, like I'm not gonna wear Oh. Towards the
Speaker 1: end of the night, my friends and I actually had
Speaker 1: black shirts on underneath, and we like literally took our shirts,
Speaker 1: our yellow shirts off and are like we're not doing
Speaker 1: this anymore. Most fed war nights followed a similar pattern.
Speaker 1: Huge crowds would gather, They would yell and throw things
Speaker 1: over the fence or damage the fence until the Feds
Speaker 1: came out and force and pushed the crowd back. Then
Speaker 1: the Feds would go back inside, the crowd would reform,
Speaker 1: and the cycle would repeat itself until there was no
Speaker 1: one left. Midway through all of this, Portland's Mayor Ted
Speaker 1: Wheeler went out and stood in the tear gas with protesters.
Speaker 1: On national media, his tear gassing was portrayed as bravely
Speaker 1: standing with his city against federal overreach. The people actually
Speaker 1: protesting in downtown Portland felt very different. Ted was heckled constantly,
Speaker 1: his bodyguard had to keep people away from him, and
Speaker 1: as he was leaving, horribly tear gassed, activists dumped bags
Speaker 1: of spent riot munitions that Wheeler's cops had fired at
Speaker 1: them onto the ground in front of him. More than anything,
Speaker 1: most protesters seemed to enjoy watching Ted's suffer after he
Speaker 1: had cost much pain for all of them. Courtney continues
Speaker 1: on about that night. So the next night was the
Speaker 1: night that Ted came out, and we ended up deciding
Speaker 1: like we weren't going to come with wall of months anymore,
Speaker 1: because there had been already like some in fighting on
Speaker 1: their pages or whatever, and so um, we just wanted
Speaker 1: nothing to do with it anymore at that point because
Speaker 1: of the miscommunication or I mean lacks of communication that
Speaker 1: there was. And so when Ted came out, that's when
Speaker 1: like it's definitely the numbers had multiple multiplied from wall
Speaker 1: of moms. And again I don't think that they've prepared
Speaker 1: anyone for what was going on. I mean I can't,
Speaker 1: you can't, like that's not probably as I don't know
Speaker 1: how accurate I am with that, But I had still
Speaker 1: remained on the Facebook pages and have been like looking
Speaker 1: at things and checking to see if anybody was like
Speaker 1: communicating what to expect. So then when they showed up,
Speaker 1: there was like so many of them and then Ted
Speaker 1: was there, and then throughout like they're the speeches that
Speaker 1: were going on and things like that, they I guess
Speaker 1: somebody that was speaking on the night had told of
Speaker 1: to tell the moms to go home because they didn't
Speaker 1: want to have a photo opportunity or opportunity with Ted.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't communicated enough to the hundreds of moms
Speaker 1: that were there. And then while Ted was out, that's
Speaker 1: when they started gassing everybody. Well apparently they had told
Speaker 1: the moms to leave, but there were like hundreds of
Speaker 1: moms left behind had like no nothing. They had like
Speaker 1: things from like hydration station and the medics and like
Speaker 1: you know, some swimming goggles and you know, paper masks
Speaker 1: and things like that, they didn't have, like they weren't
Speaker 1: prepared obviously for like with full face like gas masks,
Speaker 1: the respirators and things like that. And so she basically
Speaker 1: had had abandoned all of these moms and had posted
Speaker 1: a video on the Facebook things saying, while of moms
Speaker 1: need to leave, like we're not giving Ted Wheeler the
Speaker 1: opportunity to take a photo of us. Immediately after that's
Speaker 1: when they started gassing. And there were hundreds of months
Speaker 1: screening running around Chapman Square and they're like leader that
Speaker 1: just left them, and so the rest of the protesters
Speaker 1: were there like taking care of these women that were
Speaker 1: frontlining it while like that had dipped out and they
Speaker 1: had gone. And so that's when it kind of like
Speaker 1: started the downfall of Wall of Moms was because later
Speaker 1: on people didn't realize because nobody's like checking their Facebook
Speaker 1: while they're out there like waiting to get gasped by
Speaker 1: the Feds, and like the next when they get home
Speaker 1: they see that like that had told everyone to leave.
Speaker 1: Dmitria Hester started taking to the street during the FED War.
Speaker 1: She explains her perspective on what happened with them, mall
Speaker 1: of moms. Um, it was beautiful. Um it was with
Speaker 1: the um Wall of Moms. But um the person who
Speaker 1: created Wall of mom she was a white privileged um mom,
Speaker 1: and she tried to use black women to um to
Speaker 1: pro right on our backs about promoting herself and for
Speaker 1: it to be some kind of promotion and not for
Speaker 1: Black lives matter. It was all for a photo shoots
Speaker 1: and to be popular. And the moms were so disgusted
Speaker 1: by how she was trying to create them instead of
Speaker 1: being down there to fight for Black lives matter. And
Speaker 1: the moms saw that. So when they saw that she
Speaker 1: was trying to capitalize on Black lives matter also, they
Speaker 1: were disgusted. So me being a part of who I am,
Speaker 1: I took all the moms that we're not white supremacy
Speaker 1: moms trying to be the saviors and made moms united
Speaker 1: for Black lives UM. Because of the fact that the
Speaker 1: person be Vitam, she was trying to capitalize on black lives.
Speaker 1: She didn't care about black lives or the Mom. She
Speaker 1: just wanted to do it for a photo of She
Speaker 1: thought she was gonna come down there and save the day.
Speaker 1: So it was beautiful um for me to see so
Speaker 1: many people out for black lives better, But it was
Speaker 1: so disgusting to see that what we've been fighting for
Speaker 1: that um their vitam came in and try to capitalize
Speaker 1: on that, but we had to quickly turn that around.
Speaker 1: The Wall of Mom's founder, Beth Barnum claimed to have
Speaker 1: the blessings of a seasoned activist group Don't Shoot Portland's.
Speaker 1: Her early fumblings led Don't Shoot to step in and
Speaker 1: help guide both Wall of Moms and Riot Ribs in
Speaker 1: mid July. Almost immediately, what had been purely positive stories
Speaker 1: nose dived into something more muddled. Riot Ribbs disbanded before
Speaker 1: a full transfer of leadership could even happen, and the
Speaker 1: story of this is very complicated. There were allegations from
Speaker 1: abuse from a former member of Riot Ribs, one of
Speaker 1: the people who helped cook there, and the whole situation
Speaker 1: left a lot of people scratching their heads. The center
Speaker 1: of the rift seems to have focused around an impostor
Speaker 1: who started claiming to represent Riot Ribs. In order to
Speaker 1: draw donations to himself. This person reportedly threatened several members
Speaker 1: of Riot Ribs and several other protesters with a firearm
Speaker 1: on multiple occasions. The situation grew so messy and so
Speaker 1: violent that the old Riot Ribs staff departed, using the
Speaker 1: money that they had raised to buy several vans and
Speaker 1: go deliver Ribs to protests around the country. The impostor
Speaker 1: Riot Ribs contain you to operate and continue to threaten
Speaker 1: people with deadly weapons on occasion. The situation with Wall
Speaker 1: of Moms was, if not a little more normal than
Speaker 1: at least involved less of an armed coup. After Don't
Speaker 1: Shoot was given control of the group, they gave Dimitria
Speaker 1: Hester Admin control of the organization's now massive Facebook page,
Speaker 1: and Don't Shoot Portland and Wall of Moms even entered
Speaker 1: into a joint lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security
Speaker 1: for their use of excessive force, their violations of free speech,
Speaker 1: all of the terrible stuff that they'd been doing. Shortly
Speaker 1: after this suit was announced, what had seemed to be
Speaker 1: a strong united front fell apart. Wall of Mom's founder,
Speaker 1: Bev Barnum began filing paperwork to register the group as
Speaker 1: a nonprofit. This move set up a series of alarms,
Speaker 1: leading Don't Shoot to question if the move was to
Speaker 1: profit off of the Black Lives Matter movement. Bev pushed back.
Speaker 1: Her goal, she said was to protect protesters from federal agents,
Speaker 1: not the BLM movement. For her, while of Moms was
Speaker 1: something of a business, a line was drawn. Don't Shoot
Speaker 1: split from the two week old Wall of Moms and
Speaker 1: founded a new black lead group called Moms United for
Speaker 1: Black Lives, this one led by Demitria Hester. We know
Speaker 1: the whole situation is very confusing, and trust us, no
Speaker 1: one who was there at the time had a super
Speaker 1: great understanding of what was actually happening with either the
Speaker 1: Wall of Moms or with riot ribs. It was a
Speaker 1: confusing time, and everything that happened there was was very muddled,
Speaker 1: not just by all of the different people involved, but
Speaker 1: by the constant clouds of tear gas and trauma that
Speaker 1: enveloped everything. As the city tried to present a united
Speaker 1: front against Trump's agents and the Portland Police Bureau, the
Speaker 1: growing rifts internally among protesters threatened to derail resistance altogether.
Speaker 1: A question began to loom above the clouds of gas
Speaker 1: had the fight become more about Donald Trump and his
Speaker 1: agents than the movement for Black lives. The answer would
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Speaker 1: reached its conclusion in the closing days of July, Oregon
Speaker 1: Governor Kate Brown entered talks with the White House to
Speaker 1: negotiate reducing the presence of federal troops on the ground.
Speaker 1: Things had fallen into yet another pattern. In the afternoon,
Speaker 1: a crowd would gather around the Justice Center and court
Speaker 1: House to sing and listen to speeches. As night fell,
Speaker 1: thousands would surround the court House waiting for the Feds
Speaker 1: to inevitably begin shooting people. One of the last really
Speaker 1: big FED nights was July. Over a thousand people marched
Speaker 1: all the way from North Portland to the courthouse, where
Speaker 1: there were already thousands of people gathered. The site upon
Speaker 1: arrival was a familiar one. Moms and yellows standing behind,
Speaker 1: people with shields deflecting canisters and pepper balls, leafblowers pushing
Speaker 1: gas back behind the fence, and people with heat resistant
Speaker 1: gloves tossing canisters over the barrier like a sport. At
Speaker 1: this point, Portland was getting very good at counteracting tear gas.
Speaker 1: In fact, they'd almost perfected the art. Some FEDS got
Speaker 1: dumped with pink paint early in the night, and they
Speaker 1: retreated back into the courthouse, and with the absence of
Speaker 1: the Feds, people were more free to tamper with the fence.
Speaker 1: Occasionally there would be sparks from an angle grinder, slowly
Speaker 1: removing supports on the steel barricade. While the Feds were inside,
Speaker 1: they'd shoot tear gas from the roof and pepper balls
Speaker 1: out of murder holes as people shook the fence back
Speaker 1: and forth. Fireworks were launched up at the roof, but
Speaker 1: the Feds would not stay on the roof for the
Speaker 1: rest of the night. With a mix of vigorous shaking
Speaker 1: rope ties and liberal use of angle grinders, portlanders finally
Speaker 1: toppled over the concrete reinforced steel fence. The Feds were
Speaker 1: not happy, as they continued to shower the streets with
Speaker 1: tear gas fired from the roof. Squads of Federal agents
Speaker 1: busted out of the courthouse door, launching Stunn grenades and
Speaker 1: taking aim within four rifles. Protesters shield walls quickly surrounded
Speaker 1: a large portion of the fence that had been knocked over.
Speaker 1: Fed shot more more munitions into the crowd, and protesters
Speaker 1: tossed back canisters of tear gas and fireworks into the
Speaker 1: Federal lines. All the while the red laser sight on
Speaker 1: an automatic rifle burned through the clouds of smoke and gas,
Speaker 1: swiveling across the chests of people in the crowd. Eventually
Speaker 1: the gas was too much, even for more than a
Speaker 1: dozen leafblowers. Some in the crowd of protesters around the
Speaker 1: fallen fence had to pull back or suffocate. At this point,
Speaker 1: our old friends, the Portland Police Bureau arrived to declare
Speaker 1: a riot and warn everyone that tear gas was about
Speaker 1: to be used, which it had been used for hours
Speaker 1: at that point. As thousands of people started to retreat
Speaker 1: west under heavy grenade fire, the FEDS in the Portland
Speaker 1: Police took the streets to inflict violence on the sidewalk.
Speaker 1: Medics treated people with giant gashes on their face from
Speaker 1: metal canisters and foam tipped riot rounds. Multiple people were
Speaker 1: shot in the face, just like Donovan Labeland in all
Speaker 1: those weeks prior. On July nine, Oregon Governor Kate Brown
Speaker 1: announced that the White House, DHS and her office had
Speaker 1: come to a deal. The next day u Feds were
Speaker 1: leaving Portland. Of course, that was something of a lie.
Speaker 1: The same day that Kate made her announcement, Acting DHS
Speaker 1: Secretary Chad Wolf contradicted her claim saying on Twitter, as
Speaker 1: I told the governor yesterday, federal law enforcement will remain
Speaker 1: in Portland until the violent activity to its our federal
Speaker 1: facilities ends. We are not removing any law enforcement while
Speaker 1: our facilities and law enforcement remain under attack now. Trump
Speaker 1: also challenged Brown's announcement, tweeting that she must clear out
Speaker 1: the anarchists and agitators and that if she doesn't, the
Speaker 1: federal government will do it for her. We will not
Speaker 1: be leaving until there is safety cape Brown then clarified
Speaker 1: that the federal removal would be instead a phased withdrawal
Speaker 1: of federal agents from the Portland downtown area. Their presence
Speaker 1: would be replaced by Oregon State Police. Brown tweeted that
Speaker 1: our local Oregon State Police officers will be downtown to
Speaker 1: protect Oregonians right to free speech and to keep the peace.
Speaker 1: The number of Feds were reduced, but they never actually
Speaker 1: left Portland. Into August, there were still hundreds of additional
Speaker 1: federal agents from Customs and Borders Patrol, the Federal Protective Service,
Speaker 1: and the U. S. Marshals. One law enforcement official told
Speaker 1: op B Oregon Public Broadcasting there has been a small
Speaker 1: army in Portland and multiple law enforcement sources told op
Speaker 1: B that they expected additional federal forces to remain in
Speaker 1: the city up and the general election, with the DHS
Speaker 1: officials saying to O. P B, my guess is that
Speaker 1: the protest climate isn't going to change much between now
Speaker 1: in the election. That apartment is reluctant to draw down
Speaker 1: drastically in a way that would leave us vulnerable. All
Speaker 1: the Feds really did was become less visible. They did
Speaker 1: temporarily stop responding to protesters, leaving that job to the
Speaker 1: Oregon State Police and the Portland Police, but they were
Speaker 1: still in town, and smaller groups of Portland protesters would
Speaker 1: occasionally meet these Feds whenever a protest was held at
Speaker 1: the local ice facility. The night of July was the
Speaker 1: first night without tear gas and weeks with both FEDS
Speaker 1: and Oregon State Police just watching from inside the courthouse.
Speaker 1: This convinced many exhausted Portland's that the Feds had actually left,
Speaker 1: and the following days numbers started to dwindle. The mass
Speaker 1: of liberals that assembled to fight off Trump's Feds called
Speaker 1: the effort of victory, putting their newly acquired gas masks
Speaker 1: in the closet and moving on. This turn of events
Speaker 1: was predictable for some of the more seasoned activists. Here's Kosca.
Speaker 1: So many patterns I saw and an iraq has been
Speaker 1: repeated not just here but in other pipeline movements, in
Speaker 1: other other movements, And I thought the exact same same
Speaker 1: thing happening in Portland. And so I was telling how
Speaker 1: I kept saying that it's going to turn it into
Speaker 1: burning Man in like ten more days, and and then
Speaker 1: it kind of was a little bit circusy for a while.
Speaker 1: But it sucks that, um that all the you know,
Speaker 1: mainstream Americans or mainstream people in the United States thought
Speaker 1: it was just the Feds doing that to us, and
Speaker 1: if we just get rid of the feeds, everything will
Speaker 1: be fine. But they didn't get rid of the fees.
Speaker 1: They only got rid of that unit. The rest of
Speaker 1: the fits stayed, and we're still suffering the same amount
Speaker 1: of the same amount of violence. It's just not covered.
Speaker 1: And and it was also disgusting to me because, um,
Speaker 1: you know, there were all these um, you know, hearings
Speaker 1: about it and and press about it, about this extreme
Speaker 1: violence from these federal lobsters. But we were the exist
Speaker 1: Portland's police were using the exact same practics and violence
Speaker 1: on it. You know, for years they've been doing that
Speaker 1: same thing. The disappearance of the liberal majority suggested that
Speaker 1: many who showed up for the Fed War were more
Speaker 1: interested in standing up against Trump than four Black lives.
Speaker 1: Olivia Cutty Smith, co chair of the Portland d s A,
Speaker 1: gives her feelings on the subject. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: how we see a lot of other struggles that because
Speaker 1: Trump is the face of it, Uh, liberals will turn
Speaker 1: out to protest these things in ways that they wouldn't before. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, keeping kids in cages at the border. A
Speaker 1: vomited that. Um. I think that it's actually beneficial to
Speaker 1: our movement that Trump is now so visibly violence and hateful,
Speaker 1: because it's it takes the mask off U and it
Speaker 1: radicalizes a lot of people. UM. I think that. Yet
Speaker 1: we saw an incredible amount of people Mom's dad, labor
Speaker 1: and amazing labor convengent showed up to protests against the
Speaker 1: federal officers being here. Um because Trump sent them, I
Speaker 1: mean Obama sent federal officers to Baltimore to Ferguson to
Speaker 1: Standing Rock. We did not see this same sort of
Speaker 1: mobilization from liberals that we are now seeing because it
Speaker 1: was Trump. The FED War was a tremendous story of
Speaker 1: tragedy and hope. Thousands of Liberal moderates took to the
Speaker 1: streets in a semi militant way for the first time,
Speaker 1: huge numbers of people were directly exposed to the concept
Speaker 1: of mutual aid and got a glimpse of the power
Speaker 1: that thousands of assembled human beings can hold. But most
Speaker 1: of that power and potential disappeared when the Feds did.
Speaker 1: The spectacle of federal violence, the military body armor and
Speaker 1: the tear gas clouds, the size of buildings that all
Speaker 1: overshadowed the original purpose of the bill in movement. But
Speaker 1: it was not all as hopeless as it might seem.
Speaker 1: For every protester who stopped going out because the Feds left,
Speaker 1: there was another person who had grown more committed to
Speaker 1: the cause than ever before. Many of them were only
Speaker 1: halted and continuing to show up due to physical injury
Speaker 1: or emotional trauma. The end of the Fed War would
Speaker 1: bring the last of Portland's truly massive twenty twenty protests,
Speaker 1: but it did not mark the end of the uprising.
Speaker 1: For Portland's committed activists, the fight was far from over
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