Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff.
Speaker 1: I never told your production of I Heart Radio. Okay, Annie,
Speaker 1: Happy Monday, Miny to you. That's the recording this on
Speaker 1: a Tuesday. Monday, Mini to you. I have a question
Speaker 1: for you. Okay, what is the most ridiculous thing you've
Speaker 1: ever been fined for or gotten in trouble for? Oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna rise some people up. Yeah. Um, Well,
Speaker 1: when I was in high school, I was in marching band,
Speaker 1: and uh I went to a very small school and
Speaker 1: uh so we were in waiting for practice to start,
Speaker 1: which was like an hour await between when school in
Speaker 1: and practice started, and I was very, very tired, and
Speaker 1: so a friend of mine and I went and I
Speaker 1: was on the health track at the time, so I
Speaker 1: was like, um, I had to do an internship at
Speaker 1: a retirement home and stuff. But anyway, I had access
Speaker 1: to the health room. So we went in there and
Speaker 1: we took a nap in separate beds. But the janitor
Speaker 1: came in and told the principle that we were lesbian
Speaker 1: lovers that were having sex, and we got called to
Speaker 1: the principal's office and had to explain ourselves. And it
Speaker 1: was this whole thing. Uh, and we were again we
Speaker 1: were sleeping in separate beds. But uh, okay, it's like
Speaker 1: in a small school that's that traveled like Wildfower. But
Speaker 1: I still get really angry about it because it was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Is completely fair. I stop asking you this question. I
Speaker 1: don't know about answer my own answers because mine are
Speaker 1: like kind of like yours, a little bit traumatic for
Speaker 1: the things that I guess, like thinks whether it was
Speaker 1: because I embarrassed adult figure because I kind of I
Speaker 1: guess insinuated that something at home was bad or something
Speaker 1: along those lines. So I definitely have those things, which
Speaker 1: is really kind of funny, I think for our own drama,
Speaker 1: not funny but interesting, rather for our own trauma in
Speaker 1: our past. But yeah, we did. When I talk today
Speaker 1: about what is happening in France, so we're gonna backtrack
Speaker 1: a little bit too, I don't know, like ten thousand
Speaker 1: years ago or otherwise known as December, and talk about
Speaker 1: the city of Paris and how they were fined ninety
Speaker 1: thousand euros or in dollar wise, it's like a little
Speaker 1: less than a hundred and ten thousand dollars or in
Speaker 1: pounds like eighty one thou pounds, I guess for hiring
Speaker 1: too many women on the government staff, or, as the
Speaker 1: mayor said, being too feminists. Wo. Mayor and Nitalgo, who
Speaker 1: was first elected mayor in UH and just had won
Speaker 1: her second term, was fined by the French Ministry of
Speaker 1: Civil Service Ministry Data Function Publique for hiring eleven women
Speaker 1: and only five men for leadership positions in city hall.
Speaker 1: And obviously that's way too many women, right, so that
Speaker 1: would make I think like women for that uh. And
Speaker 1: Mayor Hidalgo is the first woman, by the way, to
Speaker 1: hold the office of Mayor of Paris, which apparently kind
Speaker 1: of has been a fast track to being Prime Minister
Speaker 1: of France. I didn't know this um, but as she
Speaker 1: is also a member of the Socialist Party in France
Speaker 1: and was Deputy Mayor of Paris previously appointed in two
Speaker 1: thousand one, and actually was the first deputy mayor to
Speaker 1: be responsible for gender equality. So here's why she was fined.
Speaker 1: In a law known as the Silvo Day law was
Speaker 1: created to balance the gender inequality of the government. It
Speaker 1: stated that quote one sex should not account for over
Speaker 1: sixty of nominations in the management positions. However, in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: it was amended to redefine it as a quote clear
Speaker 1: gender imbalance, meaning obvious discrimination due to sex or gender. Right.
Speaker 1: So the original intent was to ensure that women would
Speaker 1: actually have an opportunity to serve in senior positions in government.
Speaker 1: And just for reference, when this law was put into effect,
Speaker 1: only twenty six of the senior positions were held by
Speaker 1: women in France, though they made up at least half
Speaker 1: of the civil service workforce. But because the appointments occurred
Speaker 1: in ten before the amendment, the fine was reinforced. Now,
Speaker 1: France's Public Service Minister, Amilie de Monchalon, who is the
Speaker 1: head of the ministry that imposed the fine, said, quote,
Speaker 1: the cause of women deserves better. We abolished this absurd
Speaker 1: provision in early nineteen. I want to find paid by
Speaker 1: Paris foreen to finance concrete actions to promote women in
Speaker 1: the civil service. And that was in a tweet, right,
Speaker 1: and uh, just as so you know she had also
Speaker 1: in that tweet int did Mayor Hidalgo to speak on
Speaker 1: how they can make changes in gender equality. So that's
Speaker 1: another thing, um, And Mayor Hidalgo's response was simply that
Speaker 1: she would have the top officials women personally quote take
Speaker 1: the check to the Ministry of Civil Service. She stated
Speaker 1: in regards to the fine, we must promote women with
Speaker 1: determination because the backwardness in France is still very great.
Speaker 1: We must therefore accelerate the tempo and a point more
Speaker 1: women than men. She also said that the fine was
Speaker 1: quote absurd, unfair and irresponsible and dangerous and there's been
Speaker 1: a conversation of how trying to set quotas could be
Speaker 1: dangerous and may not be as effective as intended for
Speaker 1: gender balance. In fact, in a recent published index that
Speaker 1: was collected from companies in the country, women in France
Speaker 1: are paid twenty five less than men across all jobs. Right. Um,
Speaker 1: and that's the district actually came after a law was
Speaker 1: passed in twenty nineteen for all of the companies to
Speaker 1: send in the data so they can actually check and
Speaker 1: see what was happening with the gender quality stuff. Um.
Speaker 1: But obviously there's still a need to fight for equal
Speaker 1: pay an equal opportunity in France, and it seems to
Speaker 1: places like Paris it's several steps ahead in achieving ginger
Speaker 1: quality and will be interesting to see how Mayor Hidalga
Speaker 1: will continue as she and her staff work to combat
Speaker 1: gender biases and discrimination through their study and it's very inspiring.
Speaker 1: We would love to see that in uh the US,
Speaker 1: but as we know, we are very far behind. Yeah
Speaker 1: we laugh because we don't know what else to do. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: yes that's true. Uh And as always, if we have
Speaker 1: any listeners in France, you can enlighten us, share more
Speaker 1: details or resources. Are our kickstart any more conversations we
Speaker 1: should have. We would love to hear from you and
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