Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff
Speaker 1: I've never told your protection of I Heart Radio. So
Speaker 1: today's date is January nineteen. Yeah, there's some nerves, some
Speaker 1: holding of the breath right now. So yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: watching very closely as some of the protests that was
Speaker 1: supposed to happen over the weekend and some is actually
Speaker 1: held up. And there's been some protests from the armed
Speaker 1: groups of people, and it's not just right wing groups
Speaker 1: that look like many groups of people. But in Georgia
Speaker 1: there were like a total of five people protesting at
Speaker 1: the capitol, so that was kind of funny. Well, I
Speaker 1: am a very vivid dreamer, as you know. I know
Speaker 1: people hate hearing about dream but I dreamt we were
Speaker 1: trying to record something and there was this like very
Speaker 1: loud whirring sound and it kept interrupting us, and I
Speaker 1: was getting angry and angrier, and I woke up and
Speaker 1: there was a helicopter outside my window and it was low.
Speaker 1: It was low enough that I thought, is it gonna
Speaker 1: try to freaking land in the street? And it was
Speaker 1: just hovering there, and my heart was racing, racing, racing, racing.
Speaker 1: Eventually it flew away, but it was like hours of
Speaker 1: it just sort of hovering around and I couldn't figure
Speaker 1: out what was going on. But yeah, things are a
Speaker 1: little tense. Yeah, just a little bit, just a little bit,
Speaker 1: just a little bit. I didn't want to ask you.
Speaker 1: I know we've discussed several times, like what we wanted
Speaker 1: to be or not wanted to be. What is something
Speaker 1: you wanted to be when you grew up? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: So I am the girl that never really knew what
Speaker 1: to say because I didn't know, not even until in college,
Speaker 1: what I really wanted to do. So when I first
Speaker 1: I was able to speak English, which was I think
Speaker 1: six years old because I had to Korean previously, they
Speaker 1: asked me that question on a local radio station as
Speaker 1: a kindergartener actually, and my answer was to be a
Speaker 1: haircutter as an beautician, because my aunt at the time
Speaker 1: I really loved was a hairstylist essentially, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I can do that. And then I grew up understanding
Speaker 1: that I'm not very good at cute see design stuff
Speaker 1: in general, so I didn't do that. And then when
Speaker 1: I was growing up, I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be a singer, which by the way I can kind
Speaker 1: of sing, but definitely not a singer. And then I'm like,
Speaker 1: maybe I could be an actress because I'm a great liar.
Speaker 1: I was a really good liar. But now that obviously
Speaker 1: did not happen. None of those things were to come
Speaker 1: to pass, and my acting skills are not as impressive
Speaker 1: as I would love it to be. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: I really had a hard time trying to be anything.
Speaker 1: But so it wasn't until college that I really that
Speaker 1: I cared about people. So I realized I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a social worker. But man, going down that road
Speaker 1: was really hard. What about you? So I went through
Speaker 1: a series of very wild like I want to be
Speaker 1: a storm chaser, I want to be a marine biologist,
Speaker 1: the actress, but consistently like those were kind of almost
Speaker 1: I would get enamored after I saw a movie or
Speaker 1: something and I wanted to be that thing for a
Speaker 1: brief but really strong couple of months, and they would
Speaker 1: move on. But in third grade, we had like what
Speaker 1: do you want to be when you grow up? Day?
Speaker 1: And I showed up with a image of the bowl
Speaker 1: of virus and said, I want to be the person
Speaker 1: who cures this virus. And I wanted to be a
Speaker 1: surgeon and doctor, and I like had in my head
Speaker 1: even until like this was from all the way up
Speaker 1: into high school. I was convinced that's what I wanted
Speaker 1: to be, and then I kind of got like turned
Speaker 1: away by my surgeon mentor. But I wanted to bring
Speaker 1: this up today because we were talking about about a
Speaker 1: month ago there was this big kerfuffle around a Wall
Speaker 1: Street Journal editorial in which Joseph Epstein argued very demeaningly
Speaker 1: that Dr Jill Biden should drop the doctor. He wrote,
Speaker 1: Madam first lady, Mrs Biden, Jill kiddo, a bit of
Speaker 1: advice on what may seem like a small but I
Speaker 1: think is a not unimportant matter. Any chance he might
Speaker 1: drop the doctor before your name, Doctor Jill Biden sounds
Speaker 1: and feels fraudulent, not to say a touch comic. The
Speaker 1: whole thing was pretty offensive in a lot of ways. Basically,
Speaker 1: he was suggesting only medical professionals should use doctor. I mean,
Speaker 1: of course, a lot of people weighed in, including Miriam
Speaker 1: Webster I think would after him at one point, which
Speaker 1: we love to see. And it's definitely that kiddo makes
Speaker 1: me want to plunge someone in the face, just put
Speaker 1: that out there. But hard to imagine he would have
Speaker 1: said that about a man very hard right. And yeah,
Speaker 1: as you might imagine, the backlash was enormous, as that
Speaker 1: should have been. But even so, the Wall Street Journal
Speaker 1: just dismissed it as identity politics and the whole thing
Speaker 1: relatively minor issue. They stood firm and saying they were
Speaker 1: going to keep that opinion because they needed the better discourse,
Speaker 1: like they wanted to have an open discussion as off,
Speaker 1: like this is not about politics, this is you really
Speaker 1: insulting a woman who went through this level of education
Speaker 1: to earn that title as hats. And of course right
Speaker 1: wing personalities agreed with up at peace, the right wing
Speaker 1: personalities meaning sexist misogynists, pigs, yes, and you know, not
Speaker 1: all of them weighting, but a lot of big names did,
Speaker 1: and they were like a whale, of course. And there's
Speaker 1: actually some relevant research here. One study found that women
Speaker 1: with doctorates are substantially less likely to be introduced as
Speaker 1: doctors when compared to their male counterparts. It found that
Speaker 1: when men introduced other men, they used the title doctor
Speaker 1: se of the time, but if they were introducing women,
Speaker 1: they only used at two percent of the time. On
Speaker 1: top of this, women are far less likely to be
Speaker 1: credited in academic papers as compared to men, are not
Speaker 1: paid at the same rate, and rates of academic papers
Speaker 1: submitted by women during the pandemic has gone down by
Speaker 1: about fifty percent. But this is while the reader's submission
Speaker 1: for men has gone up by about the same rate. Right,
Speaker 1: And there's also a clear sexist ideal of what a
Speaker 1: first lady should be and do, obviously, mainly that she
Speaker 1: should be ornamental, quiet, and look pretty an extension of
Speaker 1: her husband as in like she just decorates the tree
Speaker 1: every now and again. Right, And of course Dr Jill
Speaker 1: Biden threatens this whole idea. And uh, she is the
Speaker 1: first first lady, as we talked about before, keeping her
Speaker 1: job while in the White House, and we have to
Speaker 1: say kudos who also has a very stern stance when
Speaker 1: it comes to education. So especially after having um bye bye,
Speaker 1: just to say that to her being a part of
Speaker 1: the administration and ruining what many educators to feel like
Speaker 1: should have been happening for support of our United States
Speaker 1: education system. Really excited to see what Dr Biden will
Speaker 1: do since this is actually her forte and bring some
Speaker 1: good things in I also love that they chastise her
Speaker 1: for her education and her degree, while we love that
Speaker 1: Pence calls his wife mother and we're all okay with that,
Speaker 1: right and just to say, like, there is this view
Speaker 1: of what the first ladies should be, like the ornamental view.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean like Michelle obombit died amazing things,
Speaker 1: so like Clinton doesn't do amazing things like but it's
Speaker 1: just this view that that's what you should be. You
Speaker 1: should stay in your lane. Essentially, educators. Yeah, they've also
Speaker 1: spoken out about how this this article demeaned their profession
Speaker 1: and community colleges, which is really classist in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. Right wingers have called her education doctorate, which
Speaker 1: is an e d dot D instead of a PhD,
Speaker 1: as quote something of a joke in the academic world,
Speaker 1: a degree that quote only deeply unimpressive people feel confers
Speaker 1: the honorific of doctor, like screw you, just get out
Speaker 1: of here. They claim her dissertation is quote barely fit
Speaker 1: for a middle school social studies classroom, and justin f
Speaker 1: y I it's one hundred and thirty seven pages along
Speaker 1: with eighty pages of references, and in appendix um she
Speaker 1: spent thirty years in the field and has two master's degrees,
Speaker 1: and I think she was thirteen years she was working
Speaker 1: on getting this. I haven't read the paper. I'll put
Speaker 1: that out there, but it just feels so sexist and condescending,
Speaker 1: like what what what things to say? Oh and the
Speaker 1: all things to actually do an article on it in
Speaker 1: a major newspaper out like, really, this is what you
Speaker 1: want to spend your time on that you want to
Speaker 1: be an ass hat and be condescending as hell. Look
Speaker 1: this is me lessening my carshwords. So after all of this,
Speaker 1: there was an outpoor support for women who are doctors
Speaker 1: on Twitter and women doctors adding the doctor to their
Speaker 1: Twitter profile just because as they should, as I will
Speaker 1: never allow a guest or anyone on here that has
Speaker 1: are their doctors not be called doctors because I feel
Speaker 1: like you've learned that ship, you are probably wear that
Speaker 1: ship and should be called by that. And Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: and Michelle Obama came to our defense. Of course, Michelle
Speaker 1: Obama wrote quote, right now, we're seeing what also happens
Speaker 1: to so many professional women, whether their titles are doctor, ms, mrs,
Speaker 1: or even first lady. All too often our accomplishments are
Speaker 1: met with skepticism, even derision. We're doubted by those who
Speaker 1: choose the weakness of ridicule over the strength of respect,
Speaker 1: and yet somehow their words can stick. After decades of work,
Speaker 1: were forced to prove ourselves all over again. Miss her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a great quote, and it's part of
Speaker 1: a much larger quote. The whole thing is worth reading.
Speaker 1: So if you want to find that, we thought we'd
Speaker 1: end on it because she could say it better than
Speaker 1: we ever happened. But yeah, we would love to hear
Speaker 1: from you listeners. Any doctors in the house is anyone
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