Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the Hey Deshaun Watson really
Speaker 1: is gonna get traded spectacular? And now your host, the
Speaker 1: man who will struggle to employ even this slightest bit
Speaker 1: of objectivity in this discussion, the old Zeuser himself, Dad
Speaker 1: hand Zeus. They haven't a bloody hi you Dylan today
Speaker 1: the old Zeuser here joined in a virtual room filled
Speaker 1: with heroes Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. Yes, it is indeed
Speaker 1: the Hey, Deshaun Watson really is gonna get traded spectacular
Speaker 1: and we cannot wait to dig into all of the
Speaker 1: madness surrounding one of the great talents in football. The
Speaker 1: report came out this morning ESPN's Adam Schefter that Watson
Speaker 1: requested a trade from the Texans. Officially, the Watson Watson
Speaker 1: made the request of the team weeks ago, sources told
Speaker 1: ESPN Ian Rappaport had some similar reporting h later today.
Speaker 1: And now here we are boys in a place that
Speaker 1: we've really been or never been before. We've never tread
Speaker 1: in this territory. Greg. A quarterback at this level, Jay
Speaker 1: Cutler is an example of far distant cousin. When he
Speaker 1: was a hot shot in the league, but he was
Speaker 1: never truly a superstar. Deshaun Watson is, and it looks
Speaker 1: like he's on the move. Are you buying now? Is
Speaker 1: he definitely going? No, I don't want to ruin like
Speaker 1: the theme of the show, but the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: a contrarian to the bitter end Rosenthal, Well, here's the thing, Yes,
Speaker 1: I if I had to guess, more likely than not.
Speaker 1: But number one, you just said that the trade request
Speaker 1: came weeks ago, and that was before the Texans hired
Speaker 1: David Culley, which you know we can mention he was
Speaker 1: the receiver's coach in Baltimore before the Texans decided to
Speaker 1: keep their offensive coordinator Tim Lewis, who Watson is a
Speaker 1: huge fan of. I do think the fact that reports
Speaker 1: are coming out today indicates that Watson's camp is the
Speaker 1: one putting out there and they don't really care about
Speaker 1: all that coaching mumbo jumbo, and they still absolutely whan out.
Speaker 1: But I'm doing this like piece next week of like
Speaker 1: what you know, what each team can do to make,
Speaker 1: you know, next year's super Bowl. And my thing for
Speaker 1: the Texans is like, don't trade Deshaun Watson. It's still
Speaker 1: not over. He's still on your roster. You might not
Speaker 1: find a guy this good for thirty or forty years,
Speaker 1: exhaust every possible avenue to make it not happen. And
Speaker 1: maybe they're too dumb to do that. But I'm still
Speaker 1: I'm still leaving that little door open, little crack. It
Speaker 1: is fair to question if they're if they're UM, if
Speaker 1: they have the wherewithal to make the intelligent choices UM
Speaker 1: at this point from here on out to keep Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 1: because the one thing that doesn't appear to be UM,
Speaker 1: you know, pushed by pr or or de Shaun Watson's camp,
Speaker 1: I think it's just legit that the relationship is broken,
Speaker 1: and it's broken from the highest order in Houston, and
Speaker 1: you know, you know, David Culley, UM, I think in
Speaker 1: another scenario would be a celebrated higher for the kind
Speaker 1: of career he's had to some degree what he's gone
Speaker 1: through to be He's gonna be the oldest head coach
Speaker 1: on the day that he starts. But I don't know
Speaker 1: why anyone accepted any of these jobs with this situation,
Speaker 1: you know, burning the way it is. But if you
Speaker 1: are UM the Texans, you you have anything you can
Speaker 1: you can use patients, you don't have to something. Oh,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins want to Shaun Watson, let's just make that
Speaker 1: happen for them. Like, I don't think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: quite that neat. Um, but you have lost this quarterback,
Speaker 1: You've lost the centerpiece of your organization who's not James J. J. Watt,
Speaker 1: And you've probably lost J. J. Watt too, So it's
Speaker 1: a pretty dark time for the new people in place
Speaker 1: to be taking over and having press conferences trying to
Speaker 1: make us sound excited about the Texans the fan base.
Speaker 1: I feel for them. That's Uh, that's a good point. Mark.
Speaker 1: That was the next point I was gonna make that. Uh. Listen.
Speaker 1: I played some some like a grade douchebag celebration music
Speaker 1: at the top of the show. Um, it's an exciting
Speaker 1: thing to talk about as a football fan because, like
Speaker 1: I said, this is uncharted territory. The idea of a
Speaker 1: player of Watson's magnitude being an open on the open market.
Speaker 1: This is fun for everyone except for Houston Texans fans. Uh,
Speaker 1: and that sucks. So we understand that Texans fans, if
Speaker 1: you're listening, if there's one podcast where you want to
Speaker 1: jump off, and we will not hold it against you.
Speaker 1: But this is not dancing on the grave of Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson's um Hall of Hall of Fame speech in fifteen
Speaker 1: years and talking about how great his relationship with the
Speaker 1: Texan what Texans was and Houston fans. That's a bummer
Speaker 1: that it's probably not gonna end up that way where
Speaker 1: he's a life time Houston Texans player. And Seth Paine
Speaker 1: when he was on our show a couple of weeks back,
Speaker 1: who's obviously plugged into all things Houston sports down there,
Speaker 1: you know, he mentioned it. They Texans came into the
Speaker 1: league in two thousand two, they waited fifteen years. As
Speaker 1: fans that have someone that was a star at that position,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you, as a Jets fan, I can
Speaker 1: tell you that's that's kind of the low end for
Speaker 1: for a lot of teams how long it takes to
Speaker 1: find a franchise quarterback of Watson's ilk. So this is
Speaker 1: a very difficult situation in Houston, and Greg, I agree
Speaker 1: with you, they're gonna try everything in their power to
Speaker 1: to make sure this doesn't happen. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: the fact that the chefter reports out here now and
Speaker 1: that's all it's all very public. It feels like behind
Speaker 1: the scenes things have already been exhausted. And the fact
Speaker 1: that this comes the news comes hand in hand basically
Speaker 1: with David Culley entering the picture. None of it feels like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it just happenstance. It feels like he's officially
Speaker 1: setting the wheels in motion. Let's get this thing going
Speaker 1: absolutely And there's also a chance the Texans aren't that
Speaker 1: interested in doing everything they can to keep him. I
Speaker 1: mean they haven't really, they haven't really done that by
Speaker 1: their actions. They could have done that back in December.
Speaker 1: I mean they couldn't. They could have done that by
Speaker 1: getting rid of East to Be. They could have done
Speaker 1: that by cal McNair taking ownership of the team he
Speaker 1: owns and taking control of the situation. Uh, and that
Speaker 1: hasn't happened. So I remember the Alex Smith trade, and
Speaker 1: I know, you know, Alex Smith going from Kansas City
Speaker 1: to Washington is not the same as the Shaun Watson.
Speaker 1: But I remember at the time thinking, well, this is
Speaker 1: because it happened during the Super Bowl week. I think
Speaker 1: it was Monday or Tuesday night is Super Bowl week
Speaker 1: when the news broke, And I remember thinking like Okay,
Speaker 1: I've covered the league a while now like that, nothing
Speaker 1: like that's ever happened at that time, and it changed
Speaker 1: the timeline. And we've seen some other trades and you know,
Speaker 1: stuff last year that were agreed to early too. It
Speaker 1: did I think, maybe get these teams in the mindset
Speaker 1: that Okay, this his agent who by the way, um
Speaker 1: was Jalen Ramsey's agent two and got got Ramsey out
Speaker 1: of there that Okay, now is the season. Like if
Speaker 1: you're the Jets or the Panthers or whoever you are, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if we put together our massive package of trade offer
Speaker 1: right now, we might be able to get the deal
Speaker 1: done this week. It's it's possible at least, and I
Speaker 1: think the Alex Smith trade and a few other trades
Speaker 1: that have made since then, so it says like it
Speaker 1: might not be waiting around all offseason. I would also
Speaker 1: just note that there are people out there that you know,
Speaker 1: no Deshaun Watson and say that this is not um.
Speaker 1: He has not money oriented the way that some athletes
Speaker 1: would be. That he's fine um losing money, losing bonuses
Speaker 1: to make his points. So for me, it kind of fits.
Speaker 1: The ages are different, but I see it a little
Speaker 1: bit more as a Carson Palmer type scenario where he
Speaker 1: basically said, look, I'm done with this organization. I don't
Speaker 1: need to play. You don't need to pay me, um,
Speaker 1: but I'm not playing for you anymore. And of ultimately
Speaker 1: they had to they moved him, and they moved him
Speaker 1: for a lot because they were dealing with Hugh Jackson
Speaker 1: on the other end, who wound up as a Bengals
Speaker 1: employee like less than a calendar year later. All right,
Speaker 1: for Hugh just getting it all in a shot in
Speaker 1: from the Browns Van Well, I mean he he got
Speaker 1: that was that was a major trade. I mean that
Speaker 1: that is the closest sort of DNA to this where
Speaker 1: the quarterback was so unhappy with the highest levels of
Speaker 1: the team that he simply said I'm done and they
Speaker 1: had to move. That the greatest trade in NFL history.
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson always selling that I don't yeah, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to pile on the snark with the David
Speaker 1: Culley higher but sixty five year old coach um Andrew
Speaker 1: Reid said he had many a cheeseburger with him in
Speaker 1: eighteen years together. That's that's good. That's kind of an
Speaker 1: endorsement the passing game coordinator with the Ravens, which a
Speaker 1: team not known for its passing game, that the wide
Speaker 1: receivers coach on the Chiefs team that didn't have a
Speaker 1: touchdown in that entire season. Listen, I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 1: not Wait, I have to say what his resume is
Speaker 1: in part, and he's and that he was the wide
Speaker 1: receiver's coach that year. Um, this is not a hotshot
Speaker 1: higher one that I would think Watson would be like,
Speaker 1: wait a second. You know, they do know each other.
Speaker 1: They apparently they got real tight at a Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: or something, and I don't know what real type of
Speaker 1: they There is a relationship, but this all happened before
Speaker 1: David Culley and and maybe if they had gone and
Speaker 1: hired you know, Salah or some one, that this could
Speaker 1: have been righted. But I don't think the Cully has
Speaker 1: anything to do with this at this point. That's what
Speaker 1: Ian has sort of said, that these are two different
Speaker 1: ships in two different parts of the sea. All right,
Speaker 1: so let's let's dig into let's play a game here.
Speaker 1: Let's play agent too, Deshaun Watson, Greg, You're big on
Speaker 1: agents and who they are and their connections and all that.
Speaker 1: For the purposes of this game, I don't even really
Speaker 1: need to know the guy's name. If we want to
Speaker 1: name them, we can. But we're gonna take on the
Speaker 1: identity of this agent and we're gonna spin a wheel.
Speaker 1: This is my son Jack and Harry's the Floors Lava. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good game. We play it. It's a board game,
Speaker 1: it has a wheel, and I have now repurposed it
Speaker 1: for the purposes of this podcast. I let them know
Speaker 1: this is dry erase marker, so that's not a problem
Speaker 1: um in terms of the future of the Flora's Lava.
Speaker 1: And what we're gonna do is go through all the
Speaker 1: teams that we that makes sense as a UM possible
Speaker 1: destination point for Deshaun Watson, or get through as many
Speaker 1: as we can before this gets boring and tedious, and UM,
Speaker 1: we'll play the role of agent, taking turns selling Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson himself on the destination. Okay, before we do that,
Speaker 1: let's go through the teams that make sense. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go division by division and let me know what teams
Speaker 1: should be hypothetically in the wheel, um and can be
Speaker 1: chosen in this game. Buffalo Nay, Miami, Yes, definitely, New England. Yes, yes, Jets, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what you hope the Titans. Now, let's get rid
Speaker 1: of the whole a f C seth, because there is
Speaker 1: no way the Textans are gonna trade the greatest player
Speaker 1: in franchise history next to J. J. Watt in division
Speaker 1: and facing twice a year so x amount all right? Uh?
Speaker 1: And a f C North Pittsburgh. Hm, Well, I I
Speaker 1: put some stock into the report that Ian you know,
Speaker 1: put out there, Ian Rappart. They're going to try to
Speaker 1: avoid trading to any team in the a f C.
Speaker 1: But if we're allowing a f C and we're doing
Speaker 1: it with the Jets and the Dolphins, then okay, why
Speaker 1: not throw it in there. Yeah. I hardly think that
Speaker 1: they're going to rule out the a f C. They
Speaker 1: got a deal to make, I would preferably they would
Speaker 1: send them to the NFC. But if there's a beautiful
Speaker 1: deal in their conference, I would think they would think
Speaker 1: long a beautiful deal. Yes, Baltimore nor Cleveland. Yes, they
Speaker 1: could definitely upgrade a quarterback. I think they'd have to
Speaker 1: do it behind the scenes. But I know what you're saying,
Speaker 1: but I don't think they would explore it. Took that seriously. Now,
Speaker 1: he's just because honestly, like, there's no chance, there's not
Speaker 1: a here's some thing ian has said that more than
Speaker 1: half the league and why I don't know about. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not antagonizing here. Why would the Browns be out
Speaker 1: of this. I don't think they would be. I don't
Speaker 1: think they'd be out, but I think it would cause
Speaker 1: a lot of problems if you found out that they
Speaker 1: if they went after this, But I would to me,
Speaker 1: I would put them in there because they've got a
Speaker 1: young quarterback that they believe and I believe that. And
Speaker 1: for this game, No, I don't think then, fer to,
Speaker 1: it's too complicated. This isn't a Jay Cutler on the market,
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, this is Shawn Watson. No, And I believed
Speaker 1: in Jay Cutler back then. You know, Jay Cutler at
Speaker 1: the time was viewed as a top ten quarterback. He was,
Speaker 1: and he was traded from Denver to the Bears for
Speaker 1: I believe, multiple number one picks and it was a big,
Speaker 1: big deal when people gave the Broncos, including me, a
Speaker 1: lot of grief for it. Um Yes, ultimately it was
Speaker 1: fine getting rid of him. I think he was. He
Speaker 1: was a gifted uh thrower of the football. And I
Speaker 1: remember I actually went to Chicago that year in two
Speaker 1: thousand nine, um to see the opening of the U
Speaker 1: two three sixty tour at Soldier Field. I mean, that
Speaker 1: is that some intense stuff right there. And I remember
Speaker 1: he was on the cover of like multiple magazines in
Speaker 1: Chicago as the next big thing. I mean, if he
Speaker 1: had spent his whole career with Mike and Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 1: he would have had an amazing career. But that did
Speaker 1: not happen. Alright, anyway, Cincinnati, they're they're good with Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: They don't even know how to trade. No, the a
Speaker 1: f C West, the Chiefs obviously here in no go
Speaker 1: the Raiders. Yeah, we're gonna get the Raiders of this mix, right,
Speaker 1: the Chargers. No with Herbert Denver Broncos, Yes, definitely still
Speaker 1: looking all right now to the NFC Washington football team
Speaker 1: and the Giants, Yes, right, big yes on Washington. I
Speaker 1: mean the Giants keep saying we are a hundred percent
Speaker 1: behind Daniel Jones. I actually I don't realistically think they
Speaker 1: would get involved. As it feels a little thorny, forget
Speaker 1: a little too high high concept. Let's leave them out.
Speaker 1: Dallas in Philadelphia, either of those teams, you know what,
Speaker 1: Dallas especially that you can't imagine they actually have a
Speaker 1: legitimate rivalry that two franchises, Houston and Dallas, and the ownerships.
Speaker 1: I can't quite imagine that. But there is something spicy
Speaker 1: there with that Prescott being a free agent. I mean,
Speaker 1: if there's one player in theory available that could approximate
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's value, Dallas has him them have them though, right,
Speaker 1: but they could trade him, you know, alright, Saints franchise
Speaker 1: trade cap hell, you know his shaw Watson's cap number
Speaker 1: is not too bad. Should we include the Saint I
Speaker 1: wouldn't rule them out as a team that is, would
Speaker 1: would look into it, absolutely, because what better way to
Speaker 1: come out of Drew Brees than to tell your fan
Speaker 1: base we've pulled off a mega deal for Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: Will figure out the details. You don't need to fan base. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: addam Tampa Bay, let's keep him out of this. Panthers
Speaker 1: and Falcons, I'd say yes to both. What do you
Speaker 1: guys think? Yeah? I think the Panthers ian again reported
Speaker 1: today that they are going to be aggressive, and they
Speaker 1: they seem like a prime candid. And I think Atlanta
Speaker 1: is under the radar a sneaky candidate because again, they
Speaker 1: have a quarterback that they could send to Houston that
Speaker 1: I think would interest them. M I would wonder about
Speaker 1: the cap hit there. But the Panthers make a lot
Speaker 1: of sense to me. Uh, NFC North, I just got
Speaker 1: the Bears as a team. That makes sense. You guys
Speaker 1: have a another team you want to throw in there? Well,
Speaker 1: why not the Lions? If you're exploring, you don't you
Speaker 1: your quarterback is wanting to divorce from you start to
Speaker 1: imagine Watson wanting to do that. But sure, I don't
Speaker 1: think he would want to. But I mean, what would
Speaker 1: they pick up the phone or just say we're not
Speaker 1: even gonna even call? Where the Lions like? They don't
Speaker 1: think that's hopefully their mindset there come come bite some
Speaker 1: knees with me. Brad Holmes came from the Rams. How
Speaker 1: much how much has he learned about wheeling and dealing
Speaker 1: from the way that less seat operates? Put them down.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're making the wheel, but they're they're okay, alright, alright.
Speaker 1: In the NFC West Rams and Niners. I have those
Speaker 1: two teams, and you want to throw in Seattle in Arizona,
Speaker 1: don't think so. And even the Rams feels like it
Speaker 1: would be tough. All Right, I got the wheel here,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna just throw out five teams that feel
Speaker 1: like players in this race to start. Panthers, Dolphins, forty Niners,
Speaker 1: the football team, and my Jets. And now I'm going
Speaker 1: to spin the wheel. Even the Dolphins on there. I
Speaker 1: see what you're doing. You're just trying to like steer
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson A way. I got the Dolphins on there. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the wheel. You see the wheel. I'm sure audio program,
Speaker 1: but I can see it. I appreciate it, and I
Speaker 1: like the Arcade Fire Funeral album in the background. That
Speaker 1: was the episode of the Throwback Throwback podcast that yes,
Speaker 1: yes it was, and that was a great app check
Speaker 1: it out with Greg Rosenthal. All Right, here comes the
Speaker 1: first spin. Oh it is the Dolphins that we start with.
Speaker 1: And Wow, as luck would have it, we just so
Speaker 1: happened to have with us, uh, the preeminent Dolphins span
Speaker 1: in the film media, and we had scheduled that Matt
Speaker 1: money Smith on the show. You heard him in the
Speaker 1: very top with the intro and a great word from money.
Speaker 1: But he was supposed to be on the show today
Speaker 1: technical difficulties, so off the bench is another alum of
Speaker 1: the Dave Damaschek Football program. Not a second choice, Henry,
Speaker 1: don't look at it that way. But you're here and
Speaker 1: we're happy to have you. Hey, fellas, how are you
Speaker 1: doing great? That's it's pretty good, all right, So hey,
Speaker 1: it is great to see you, and it's great to
Speaker 1: see you guys too as well. How are you? And
Speaker 1: we're in your boudoir which just has my mind just
Speaker 1: doing very very very nice looking. It's an electric vibe
Speaker 1: in there, especially the laundry basket behind you. Um so
Speaker 1: landed on the Dolphins. You are going to play the
Speaker 1: role of agent right now for just Shaun Watson pitching
Speaker 1: him on the fins. I will give you about two
Speaker 1: minutes to do it. Go ahead, okay. I love it
Speaker 1: when you guys pretend to be people. So I'm so
Speaker 1: excited too, you know, as you know, I listened avidly,
Speaker 1: so I'm excited to get to play this game. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat this Shrom Watson's I don't have a name,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to pretend I'm calling him up on
Speaker 1: my on my phone. No call necessary. You're in the room.
Speaker 1: You're in the room. Hey, what's up one of you guys?
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess. We'll take turns being to Sean.
Speaker 1: But we'll keep it. We'll keep it pret simple with
Speaker 1: his answers. Hey, what's happening? Hey, d um so, I'm
Speaker 1: excitedly you've you've you've requested a trade from the Texas.
Speaker 1: I think it's exactly the right thing to do. Let's
Speaker 1: get out of there, Let's go get you something, something good,
Speaker 1: and like, I don't have to sell you on. This
Speaker 1: is going to be pretty short. I know there are
Speaker 1: people talking about all kinds of teams. If you listen
Speaker 1: to the Around the Oh you do listen to the
Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast, Dan Hands this week, just put
Speaker 1: a list, put a list together for you of the
Speaker 1: teams that are likely. But honestly, like you don't need
Speaker 1: to get too far down that list. Right, there is
Speaker 1: one city, there's one team, there's one place that you
Speaker 1: need to be. It's it's the fastest rising team in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Is the It's a team that's gone from
Speaker 1: from the bottom and it's going to the top and
Speaker 1: you're you're the last piece. It's the youngest team or
Speaker 1: or I think the second youngest team in the NFL.
Speaker 1: They don't have a single player over the age of thirty.
Speaker 1: You don't have to deal with any old people. You
Speaker 1: can go there and be with guys your age and
Speaker 1: be the face of this franchise. It's in a state
Speaker 1: where you don't need to play tank people who wants
Speaker 1: to pay taxes. You're the second highest paid player in
Speaker 1: the league. You don't want to be playing state tax
Speaker 1: Guess what you're getting that money? The government's having none.
Speaker 1: They don't need to pay the roads in Florida. I've
Speaker 1: given you a clue. This is Miami, Okay, right, I
Speaker 1: just sold you on the business side of it football.
Speaker 1: This is an up and coming team, great coach, like
Speaker 1: a coach that the players their love um. They're gonna
Speaker 1: have to mortgage their future. They know they're in the
Speaker 1: middle of a rebuild and unfortunately there's you know, trading
Speaker 1: for you is going to mean that that they may
Speaker 1: take a step back in terms of bringing in some
Speaker 1: of the key pieces that they need to receive a skill, positions, etcetera.
Speaker 1: But you know, you can make the players around you
Speaker 1: better that the guys that they've had can't do that.
Speaker 1: So so that's fine. So the business side is great,
Speaker 1: But then what about the rest of it? If Florida
Speaker 1: there's beaches, there's boats, there's what else begins would be
Speaker 1: that you could enjoy in Florida the beaches, boat, I
Speaker 1: don't know something else? Um? And about the state income tax? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and said that. I just said that, I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. What are you doing? Don't get
Speaker 1: off snapchat? Um? And you know, look, this is the
Speaker 1: most exciting opportunity. Well, let's let's right now, let's call
Speaker 1: Brian Flores, Let's let's call Chris Grea. Let's let's just
Speaker 1: give him a call now and just see, like, can
Speaker 1: we get this done? And then we don't even have
Speaker 1: to bother with any of these others. You want to
Speaker 1: go to the New York Jets, like they're not even
Speaker 1: the primary team in the city that plays football. What
Speaker 1: do you why would you want to go there? There
Speaker 1: are so many well I'm sorry to show them, but
Speaker 1: that's it. Alright, I gotta get this done. I gotta
Speaker 1: go all right. It sounds like a great player agent
Speaker 1: relationship dialogue. What do we think about? What do we
Speaker 1: think about Henry's pitch? And Henry, you can now also
Speaker 1: critique your own pitch. Okay, I would say what I
Speaker 1: thought it was fantastic. But tell me if you tell
Speaker 1: me if you if you think differently, what's not to like?
Speaker 1: If you could sell the Texans on to us as
Speaker 1: being part of the package going in the other way?
Speaker 1: And um, I mean from a player's angle, Miami is
Speaker 1: a destination, unquestionably top two or three destination in the
Speaker 1: whole country. Um, he could be the king. He could
Speaker 1: be the king of South Beach for the next not
Speaker 1: just his playing career, but like you know, Dan Marino
Speaker 1: is gonna he's he's on the way out, please in
Speaker 1: terms of icon and walking around South Beach. But de
Speaker 1: Sean could be that guy for the next thirty or
Speaker 1: forty years. I mean, you can go and take a
Speaker 1: team that's had nothing good happen to it in decades
Speaker 1: at the table is well set for him to become.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, Henry, um as now
Speaker 1: you're a Dolphins fan, Let's put on your fan cap.
Speaker 1: Are you really already out on the two? Is the
Speaker 1: future thing. I know it's not because this would be
Speaker 1: an extraordinary situation, but are you amongst the camp that
Speaker 1: is already kind of seriously worried about two of being
Speaker 1: a big time player. It was a very small sample size. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I mean to me, this is like a big
Speaker 1: win win situation, right. The big win is if you
Speaker 1: can you've got the ammo. I mean this is obviously
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about this as his agent, but Ophins
Speaker 1: do have the ammunition with draft picks, et cetera, to
Speaker 1: put together a package that would be interesting to the Texans.
Speaker 1: I believe, um so on that front, I think they're good.
Speaker 1: I think the big win is the Texans go for
Speaker 1: it and you can put together the package. You get
Speaker 1: to Shaun Watson, who's one of the in my opinion
Speaker 1: five best quarterbacks in the NFL and twenty five years
Speaker 1: old and locked up through I think in his current contract,
Speaker 1: and the Dolphins have the catch space to to be
Speaker 1: able to make it work if it doesn't happen. I actually,
Speaker 1: my honestly biggest worry would be goes to the Jets,
Speaker 1: because then you've got two teams in the ANFC East
Speaker 1: with like a long term top five quarterback in the
Speaker 1: fold with him and Josh, I feel the same way
Speaker 1: about your situation exactly. Um if not, you have too.
Speaker 1: I definitely don't think we've seen enough of two. And
Speaker 1: I like that that. I mean, you know, I think
Speaker 1: it was underplayed. The players that he was had around
Speaker 1: him at skill positions at the end of the season
Speaker 1: there when things started going awry were awful. Like he
Speaker 1: had he had guys who are playing quarterback in in
Speaker 1: the SEC wide receiver in the NFL year later, you know,
Speaker 1: in starting it's he definitely didn't get his chance to
Speaker 1: see it. And I think the Dolphins have a really
Speaker 1: good plan that they were looking to execute, which was
Speaker 1: get the quarterback last year as part of was one
Speaker 1: of three first round picks, and then they've got two
Speaker 1: more first round picks and two second round picks this
Speaker 1: year to put the pieces around him. You're so excited
Speaker 1: about this. To me, I don't. I don't like. I
Speaker 1: don't see this being whichever way, I'd be hugely excited.
Speaker 1: I love to show you can talk yourself into the tour.
Speaker 1: I can talk myself into the two. So I definitely
Speaker 1: think they need to give him at least a year
Speaker 1: with some great pieces around him rather than trying to
Speaker 1: throw the ball to and I think I think they're
Speaker 1: gm UM in Houston, you know, tight with saving you
Speaker 1: know to ah tour from Alabama. I think to U
Speaker 1: has been totally misread. I I have a I have
Speaker 1: hope um and you know, some optimism that he can
Speaker 1: be a good in difference makings darting quarterback, that he
Speaker 1: showed more than people thought and people are being way
Speaker 1: too quick, and that he does have trade value. More importantly,
Speaker 1: they have the number three overall pick. I mean they
Speaker 1: have the number three and the number eighteen overall pick.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not as good as two, but it
Speaker 1: is right up there. And if you if you if
Speaker 1: it's to h and three, you kind of like to uh,
Speaker 1: if you're the Texans plus you have the number three
Speaker 1: overall pick, that's pretty exciting. And from the Watson point
Speaker 1: of view, I mean, yeah, you're taking a pay cut
Speaker 1: if you get traded anywhere with state income tax because
Speaker 1: Texas doesn't have it. And you're saying, okay, that contract
Speaker 1: you sign and no money is not important at you know,
Speaker 1: the number one thing to Watson supposedly but basically getting
Speaker 1: traded anywhere but Florida and Texas. You're taking a pay cut.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty big this game and exercise a whole
Speaker 1: lot shorter if we just want to include the state
Speaker 1: income tax free destinations. Have we mentioned the state income
Speaker 1: tax situation. We're gonna spend the wheel again, Henry, do
Speaker 1: you want to stay on for another spend? I know
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to jump. It's wonderful to see you,
Speaker 1: and I I know I would love to, but I'm
Speaker 1: very busy. I have a day job is vice president
Speaker 1: of international. That was his way to make sure we
Speaker 1: got that in again, to show how successful he's been
Speaker 1: since he came to America. UM. That's I really appreciate.
Speaker 1: That's that's part of the contract I have with you, guys. Greg.
Speaker 1: Thank you. You made a convincing case there as well.
Speaker 1: And I'm preparing to forgive Greg. He did something almost
Speaker 1: unforgivable yesterday on another podcast UM with with a friend
Speaker 1: of mine. But I think you're not going to give
Speaker 1: the Neo Reynolds podcast a little plug. I didn't do
Speaker 1: anything unforgivable. I recognize that. You know, Henry has a
Speaker 1: kindred spirit. He likes to you know, throwing the throwing
Speaker 1: the jabs to people. I was just what did he do?
Speaker 1: Was offensive? Greg? I thought yesterday after I was taking
Speaker 1: the dog for walkers, like I'll entertain myself with two
Speaker 1: of my friends Neio Reynolds Greg Roll on the podcast together.
Speaker 1: About six minutes in, Greg says, I'm an as like
Speaker 1: your friend Henry Hodge. What he does that sometimes? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he can't just speak about himself, he has to invoke
Speaker 1: other people. Here's the here's the thing. Henry took that
Speaker 1: as a compliment. I know, Henry, can you speaking of
Speaker 1: sky Sports? We might edit this out. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Can you let them know that we noticed that we're
Speaker 1: not on their press release touting their talent that's going
Speaker 1: to be involved concerning Let them know that we're not angry,
Speaker 1: We're not looking to force any actions, but just let
Speaker 1: them know that we have perused the press release that
Speaker 1: Sky Sports sent out about Super Bowl coverage, and we
Speaker 1: have noted that we are not mentioned at any point
Speaker 1: in that release. Landed with a clunk, big, gigantic. You know,
Speaker 1: I would definitely I'll have the conversation with them. I'm
Speaker 1: already talking to them on Time's behalf for some other reasons.
Speaker 1: But if they don't fix this stuff, and I'm figuring
Speaker 1: this stuff out, Mark will take the book from behind
Speaker 1: him titled Chaos and unleash it on the Let them
Speaker 1: know that we we saw the Dallas Clark Pub and
Speaker 1: we saw him getting pumped up, but we have not
Speaker 1: un You know, you guys need to have a middling
Speaker 1: career as a tight end being boosted. Now we really can't.
Speaker 1: Now we really can't put this firt in the show.
Speaker 1: We're keeping it there. No, it's all right, Henry, Thank
Speaker 1: you for guys. I love seeing you. I hope you're
Speaker 1: all well. Send my love to your your families and
Speaker 1: friends and loved ones. See, all right, let's spin the
Speaker 1: wheel once more. Here we go. This game is moving
Speaker 1: at a feverish yew. We might not get to look
Speaker 1: at that. I replaced the Dolphins with the Raiders, and
Speaker 1: that's exactly the spot it runs. Starting to make me
Speaker 1: worry that there's something wrong with the wheel. The Las
Speaker 1: Vegas Raiders up next. Mark Sessler for you, how about
Speaker 1: that you make the case to de Sean that the
Speaker 1: Raiders should be his preferred destination in the trade. Well,
Speaker 1: I would say this to Sean you know. I know
Speaker 1: that we just spoke a few minutes ago and I
Speaker 1: talked with you about Miami, But I think you want
Speaker 1: to talk about a real destination, a destination of a
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I'm versatile, you know, I I
Speaker 1: shape shifter when it comes to these things. But now
Speaker 1: we're living in the world where he just keeps calling
Speaker 1: back twenty different times. Yeah, this makes sense. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's four of us in the room. Who's in the
Speaker 1: room here, so it's like I'm talking about the Raiders here.
Speaker 1: I want to tell you why the Raiders maybe not
Speaker 1: the team you would have thought up first. This is
Speaker 1: a special time to become an Oakland Raider. And number one,
Speaker 1: the money is going to go through the roof. They've
Speaker 1: got consistency there. Their coach is not going to suddenly
Speaker 1: get bounced out and replaced by some sort of Machiavellian
Speaker 1: plot from the inside. Their coach maybe a little Machiavellian,
Speaker 1: but he's not going anywhere. John Gruden and you, uh,
Speaker 1: this is a great relationship you want you're talking about
Speaker 1: your issues with relationships with organizations. The Raiders are ready,
Speaker 1: from what I know, to make this move that they
Speaker 1: look at I know Derek Carr's there, but Derek Carr
Speaker 1: is no more guaranteed money. He is going to be
Speaker 1: moved stage right. And this is a team right now,
Speaker 1: You've got Darren Waller. Imagine your career growing with Darren Wallers,
Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs, Jail and Richard, Josh Jacobs, Nelson, Aguilar, Hunter, Renfro.
Speaker 1: I mean, this offense, which was very exciting a year ago,
Speaker 1: is set to grow and bloom with you at quarterback.
Speaker 1: I love this destination. If you want to talk about
Speaker 1: one of the most historical teams in the league, it's
Speaker 1: the Raiders. You could go down as an icon along
Speaker 1: with you know, Art Shell, Marcus Allen, John Madden, Jim Plunkett,
Speaker 1: the whole crew. This is a history making moved for you.
Speaker 1: And you move away from a team that's only a brown,
Speaker 1: been around since two thousand and two to the ultra
Speaker 1: elite gold class of NFL franchises, the Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 1: Let's do it gold class, all right, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Cell I like that Sell. I think the Raiders, the
Speaker 1: Silver and Black, they're in that cowboys category for me,
Speaker 1: where I think there are a few teams that would
Speaker 1: move the needle just on selling the brand and the
Speaker 1: Raiders are one of them, and the fact that they're
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. I think that's an interesting location for them,
Speaker 1: certainly better than trying to pitch him and go into
Speaker 1: Oakland Alameda Coliseum to spend your career the stadium. The
Speaker 1: stadium's cool, the stadium is awesome, the city is obviously
Speaker 1: glitz and glamorous, and the brand is great. And I
Speaker 1: guess it kind of might come down to, is John
Speaker 1: Root in your cup of tea? Do you feel like
Speaker 1: he's a guy that you want to get in bed
Speaker 1: with for the next ten years, or do you feel
Speaker 1: like that's a guy you can't trust, Like Ruden is
Speaker 1: a selling point in a non selling point at the
Speaker 1: same it really depends where you come from. I think
Speaker 1: I think it could be. I think it could be
Speaker 1: a selling point. I think he did the QB Camp
Speaker 1: QB Confidential back in the day with with Watson. I
Speaker 1: think he can scheme up offense. I guess that's what
Speaker 1: that would be. Part of the cell is look at
Speaker 1: this offensive line, look at what they've done offensively. It's
Speaker 1: pretty quarterback friendly. Um with Derek Carr. Now you might
Speaker 1: just have to cut Derek Carr because I don't think
Speaker 1: you can sell the Texans on going back to another
Speaker 1: car at quarterback with you know, with all do was
Speaker 1: ancient and you know David Carr got screwed over by circumstance.
Speaker 1: He was he was a guy that never really had
Speaker 1: a chance. Okay, here's the thing in the Texans. If
Speaker 1: you trade Deshaun Watson period um, that is gonna be
Speaker 1: an unbreakable trust, a trust that you broke with your
Speaker 1: fans that some may never recover from. You come in
Speaker 1: and you tade you trade Hopkins, Watt and Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: in the same year. Uh, some people are just gonna
Speaker 1: leave you forever. And if you try to replace them
Speaker 1: with Derek Carr, a mid range quarterback, that to me
Speaker 1: just feels like any human want to be that quarterback. No,
Speaker 1: but if you're the number two overall pick, or you're
Speaker 1: too uh or you're I don't know who else it
Speaker 1: would be probably wouldn't be anyone, but like a supergar
Speaker 1: level quarterback. No, I think it's gonna have to you know,
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have to be a little more
Speaker 1: than that. Then you're It feels like you're shooting for
Speaker 1: the middle. Um, all right, let's let's keep moving. All right,
Speaker 1: I've replaced the Raiders with the Rams. That's fun, right, Yeah? Sure?
Speaker 1: Forts who make the cell? I mean, DeShawn? This is
Speaker 1: This is David, by the way, David mulghetta. Everyone knows me.
Speaker 1: I don't know what what he sounds like, but you
Speaker 1: know I'm David. Actually, you nailed it. That's exactly what David. Um.
Speaker 1: I got two words for you, Deshaun Watson, Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 1: Go go watch some Kirk Cousins tape when he was
Speaker 1: with Kyle. Go go watch the money that Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: made after playing with Kyle she And go watch the
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year season Robert Griffin the third had
Speaker 1: with Kyle Shean. And go watch Nick Mullins put up
Speaker 1: better stats and his first sixteen starts than you did,
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, Nick freaking Mullins. This is a team that
Speaker 1: was in the Super Bowl two years ago, has a
Speaker 1: great defense of mindset, has great offensive UH personnel to
Speaker 1: support you with Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiyuk in a
Speaker 1: running game. This this team is ready to win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl in the first season you're there, and and
Speaker 1: to start a long, beautiful relationship. I'm out not even
Speaker 1: gonna listen to you, de Sean. I don't think you
Speaker 1: need two minutes to sell that situation and the idea
Speaker 1: of pairing with Kyle Shanahan for the next decade, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you trust the connection there, the coach quarterback connection and
Speaker 1: and Shanahan's you know, bona fides uh speak for themselves.
Speaker 1: And then uh, it satisfies for the forty the team wise,
Speaker 1: like you're saying you're an instant contender. And really, let's
Speaker 1: face it, if they the forty Niners, landed Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: in the trade, they would be the overwhelming favorite. I
Speaker 1: would think to go to the Super Bowl next year.
Speaker 1: So the expectations are through the roof for better and worse. Uh,
Speaker 1: for better or worse. Uh. And then it does also
Speaker 1: helps the Texans, Like we talked about what would be
Speaker 1: the ideal situation for the Texans if they have to
Speaker 1: trade Deshaun Watson, get him out of site, out of mind,
Speaker 1: you put him out there in the NFC West. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know it's still listen, this is this is not
Speaker 1: baseball or other sports where a lot of fans are
Speaker 1: regionally minded to Shaun Watson is going to be on
Speaker 1: the radar at all times in Houston no matter where
Speaker 1: he goes. So but it's just the idea of potentially
Speaker 1: facing him in regular seeing games in a playoff game,
Speaker 1: you don't want anything to do with that. So this
Speaker 1: makes so much sense. What's like the biggest obstacle here?
Speaker 1: I don't see a huge, huge obstacle unless the Niners
Speaker 1: are unwilling to part with the immense asking price. If
Speaker 1: that's just not that they don't have a high because
Speaker 1: they don't have a high pick, so that you know
Speaker 1: they have you could do that over years. I mean
Speaker 1: you can anyone could come up with some package outside
Speaker 1: of the Texans if they were in the reverse situation.
Speaker 1: And I say, it's like they are fairly high pick though,
Speaker 1: so I guess, um, what is their pick? Where they
Speaker 1: where are they? I'm looking right now, But it's I
Speaker 1: feel like to get a quarterback, um, you know, of
Speaker 1: their liking, they would probably have to make a move
Speaker 1: and they have that they have the twelfth pick, but
Speaker 1: they also um have a cheap bridge quarterback that Nick
Speaker 1: Cassario was involved in drafting, and well, that's what I
Speaker 1: was going to mention. I mean, if you're easter being
Speaker 1: Nick Kissario like Jimmy Garoppolo feels like an extension of this.
Speaker 1: They're building this fortress where it's like the scant few
Speaker 1: people that still believe in what they're doing are the
Speaker 1: only people they hire or entertain, Like, I don't like
Speaker 1: to what would be like you, I'm going to give
Speaker 1: this coach a chance before we bury him. You know,
Speaker 1: John Hier, people are already talking about David Culley as
Speaker 1: a bridge to Josh McCown that they really only want
Speaker 1: him for a couple of years and then hire Josh McCown.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I think that you went and
Speaker 1: got someone that's essentially forced into a yes man role,
Speaker 1: but you Jimmy G would be someone I think that
Speaker 1: Cassio and Easterby would say, yeah, we could make that
Speaker 1: um work. He's a fun He's a fun throwing At
Speaker 1: this point in the level, in a trade level that
Speaker 1: we're talking about with Watson, Jimmy G is not the
Speaker 1: centerpiece of the trade. It's the draft, it's the draft
Speaker 1: picks um. But the fact that you can throw him
Speaker 1: in and and have a quarterback for the next year
Speaker 1: if you wanted. Potentially, I could see Cassario one. The
Speaker 1: David Carr case as well, the Derek Carr case. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you're right. You're right, only Derek Carr never
Speaker 1: misses games, and no, I'd rather have Derek Carr. It's
Speaker 1: more that, Um, I could see potentially Cassario loving Jimmy
Speaker 1: G just like I can see the Patriots being totally
Speaker 1: all about getting Jimmy G back this offseason. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: really could. Yeah, I could see that all right. Um,
Speaker 1: So that one makes a lot of sense. It is.
Speaker 1: It is the draft pick. The teams that have that
Speaker 1: essentially lottery pick this year, I feel like do have
Speaker 1: an advantage. But the NFCC NFC thing is is interesting.
Speaker 1: And I just say one little quick thing about the
Speaker 1: immediate draft picks for this year, like do you really
Speaker 1: want to like they're in rebuilding mode, Like having some
Speaker 1: of these first picks spread a little bit down the line, um,
Speaker 1: make more sense to me than like, oh, you're still
Speaker 1: gonna stink three years from now and you're gonna be
Speaker 1: being asked about, like you know, options for your first
Speaker 1: round picks that are on a team that's still half big.
Speaker 1: And we should say like Watson has a no trade clause,
Speaker 1: so it is possible that the Texans get a few
Speaker 1: teams that have worthwhile trade offers and that Watson is
Speaker 1: a parting in choosing this team. I've replaced the forty
Speaker 1: nine spot with the Steelers. That was a bad spin.
Speaker 1: All right, Panthers, alright, let me make this case. All right,
Speaker 1: here we go, Sean, what's up big to me? Baby? Um,
Speaker 1: I'm David Mongolas, your agent. Get'll get David mal Ghetta.
Speaker 1: When David mal Ghetta speaks, going well so far, people
Speaker 1: listen and uh. If I pick up that call and
Speaker 1: I engage with the big man upstairs in Carolina, an
Speaker 1: owner who is completely completely obsessed with making splash moves. Um,
Speaker 1: I think David Tepper is gonna want to do something. Uh.
Speaker 1: And now I tell you that this is an organization
Speaker 1: you want to be connected to because they are going
Speaker 1: in the right direction. Matt Rooley, so that he's done.
Speaker 1: I know you've been following his college career, what he
Speaker 1: what he did at Baylor, uh, and now what he
Speaker 1: did in his first year in Carolina. Players love playing
Speaker 1: for They just love him. He's one of those guys.
Speaker 1: He's an offensive minded coach. Uh. He's the type of
Speaker 1: guy you're not dealing with Bill O'Brien here. This is
Speaker 1: not a Bill O'Brien situation or a David Culley know
Speaker 1: the were about color or Josh McCown creeping around the corner,
Speaker 1: you know, and don't listen to like guys like Greg
Speaker 1: Rosenthal out there in the media that just want to
Speaker 1: tell you that David Culley is gonna be just I
Speaker 1: just want to give this guy a chance. Let's not
Speaker 1: take it personal with David Culley. Okay, No, nobody has
Speaker 1: been in a worse position as a head coach entering
Speaker 1: the league since Jim Tomsula. Rearranging deck chairs and the
Speaker 1: Titanic is what Coulor is doing. Matt Rule is the
Speaker 1: future there, like he is locked and loaded. Ownership is
Speaker 1: in lockstep with the head coach, and there are weapons there.
Speaker 1: You ever here, Christian McCaffrey, imagine you and McCaffrey sharing
Speaker 1: a backfield together. We've got some wide receiver pieces there,
Speaker 1: but they can get better. This is a great place
Speaker 1: to live, Charlotte. I mean, that's that's a wonderful area
Speaker 1: of the country, and I think you put it all together,
Speaker 1: this one makes sense and you get a fresh break
Speaker 1: from everything and all the all the toxic culture with
Speaker 1: the Texans and the af C South and the a
Speaker 1: f C in general, and you just start fresh with
Speaker 1: an organization that's on the right path. The Panthers one.
Speaker 1: Just how about the familiarity you know with the region,
Speaker 1: you know, going to college there. There's pictures, tech pictures,
Speaker 1: pictures of Watson in a Panther's jersey with with Cam Newton,
Speaker 1: an old Cam Newton fan. Um, it's sort of the
Speaker 1: perfect I think Miami has a little bit of this too,
Speaker 1: But I think it's the perfect balance of like you
Speaker 1: kind of like where the organization's at. But if I
Speaker 1: was a player, I kind of like that it's a
Speaker 1: little more low key media wise, And just I think
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna everyone's gonna be excited about De Shaun Watson
Speaker 1: wherever he goes. Um, but he can be the king,
Speaker 1: the King of the Carolinas. How about the chance to
Speaker 1: work with Joe Brady. Um. I love that you mentioned
Speaker 1: David Tepper. I mean, if you're if we would love
Speaker 1: to know exactly what De Shaun's list are like, this
Speaker 1: is what the next organization must have, not just the
Speaker 1: money thing, but if you talk about an owner who's
Speaker 1: going to engage you and make you part of decision
Speaker 1: making and um treat you with respect, and a coach
Speaker 1: you mentioned Dan, I mean it's it's a spicy landing
Speaker 1: spot and I think the Texans would do it in
Speaker 1: a second over an a f C team. Robby and
Speaker 1: Drabby Anderson, d J. Moore and Curtis Samuel all had
Speaker 1: over yards this year. Now, I'm not saying they're the three.
Speaker 1: It's the best wide receiver room in the league, but
Speaker 1: it also speaks to what Matt Rule can create if
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater and Matt Rule can do that with those
Speaker 1: three guys, like look look out for the next five.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna want to win right away. I
Speaker 1: don't think he wants to walk into a deep rebuild
Speaker 1: necessarily unless it's real attractive for the reasons and the
Speaker 1: Panthers could win right away with him. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: what you saw with Will Fuller this year definitely something
Speaker 1: you think about two Because I put Fuller in a
Speaker 1: similar categories. Of those Carolina receivers are all very good
Speaker 1: players that pair him with a truly great quarterback, and
Speaker 1: any of those guys can turn in an all pro
Speaker 1: level year, which Fuller was on his way to before that.
Speaker 1: P d B. That's this is the one now that
Speaker 1: I'm I'm clearly rooting for Deshaun Watson to get out
Speaker 1: of the a f C. East. Don't need that, particularly
Speaker 1: Patriots fan, and and I do like the Panthers quite
Speaker 1: a bit, and uh, I like this whole thought is
Speaker 1: kind of fun too, But I like this Panthers temper.
Speaker 1: You know, temper wants that he's already put a big
Speaker 1: stamp on this organization since he came in. He's basically
Speaker 1: cleared out everybody and installing his home vision. You would
Speaker 1: think the next move, if he could make a this
Speaker 1: would be like a Kingmaker move to bring in the
Speaker 1: year old, year old franchise. And they said they would
Speaker 1: aggressively go after players like this, the Panthers themselves. So
Speaker 1: I mean, and he was not to you know, build
Speaker 1: build off this mythology that's uh centered around this particular owner.
Speaker 1: But he was known as like this massive shark on
Speaker 1: Wall Street, and he gets what he wants and he
Speaker 1: takes big risks, and you know, even rule like he
Speaker 1: would not let him out of his building. And you
Speaker 1: know he's known for I'm a guy. I could just
Speaker 1: picture it listen this, um. But there are different people
Speaker 1: that are interested in picking the teams, and I know
Speaker 1: that why some kind of put the Jets and the
Speaker 1: Dolphins at his top so that shows his priorities. I mean,
Speaker 1: supposedly the Jets and the Dolphins are atop of his list. Um.
Speaker 1: But if I was someone just picking where he would go, now,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling the Carolina. I'm feeling that as the underdog pick.
Speaker 1: That's some good value there. What a roller coaster just
Speaker 1: hearing Greg, you know, speak this stuff out. I love it. All. Right,
Speaker 1: here we go, let's keep spinning. Finally New York Jets.
Speaker 1: Do I want to make this up? No, I'll do it. No,
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I would. I would. Hey, look at the
Speaker 1: last twenty years shown, Look at this uh, look at
Speaker 1: what this ownership David Mulgata and let me start here. Hey,
Speaker 1: look at the last twenty years the show. Look at
Speaker 1: that team. That team needs a hero. You're a hero.
Speaker 1: You know you're a hero. That's why Swiney said way
Speaker 1: back in the day, you're Michael Jordan's New York. Imagine
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, New York. Imagine what that'd be like. And
Speaker 1: don't let's and all these people like those Greg Rosenthal's
Speaker 1: out there in the media who say, oh, it's the NFL,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what the market is forget about all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he does. He respects you enough to know who you are. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is everything, this is this is the dream marketing
Speaker 1: scenario for you. Um. And you have a situation there
Speaker 1: and I know you've already told me privately how much
Speaker 1: you respect Robert Sala and what he would mean to
Speaker 1: you having a coach that is a motivator of men,
Speaker 1: someone you respect, and I know you haven't had a
Speaker 1: lot of that. So we can give you that in
Speaker 1: New York. We can give you maximize your earnings potential.
Speaker 1: And yes, you're not afraid to go to a team
Speaker 1: that needs a lot of work because you feel you
Speaker 1: are the man to fix everything over there. You'll fix
Speaker 1: the Jets. And with their leadership, it's different. It is
Speaker 1: not what it was a few years ago. Joe Douglas
Speaker 1: is a guy that is well respected and he's making
Speaker 1: the right moves right now. And they've changed their structure
Speaker 1: over there. Uh. In terms of who reports to who,
Speaker 1: it's Joe Douglass show. He hired his guy and Robert Sala,
Speaker 1: so you could respect the team builder, the head coach.
Speaker 1: The market is wonderful. They have the assets that they
Speaker 1: could send back to Houston without crippling their future because
Speaker 1: they are so filled chock full of number one picks.
Speaker 1: You can get there and be the hero that New
Speaker 1: York needs. And just imagine, just imagine if you became
Speaker 1: the next Joe Namath. And I know that's a name
Speaker 1: that some people your age, it doesn't really connect with,
Speaker 1: but I know that you're somebody who understands history and
Speaker 1: what that would mean. Gobs of money, great place to
Speaker 1: play the hero of New York City. That's a city
Speaker 1: that hasn't had a champion in a long time now,
Speaker 1: it's been a while. You could be that hero. Come
Speaker 1: come to us. I'm based out in New York City.
Speaker 1: It's like Sean you you started, you know, you uh
Speaker 1: just opened this restaurant in Houston, and what better place
Speaker 1: to open a restaurant it then the East Village. Let's
Speaker 1: let's do it. Let's get let's get creative. How of
Speaker 1: Brooklyn whatever the food is gonna be great, You're right.
Speaker 1: I mean the NFL players, I think, you know, you
Speaker 1: can become a superstar like Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes anywhere. Um,
Speaker 1: but I do think Deshaun Watson in New York would
Speaker 1: be as big, you know, as big as it gets.
Speaker 1: They have, you know, the third most cap room right
Speaker 1: now in the league, so you could pitch that while
Speaker 1: you're giving up a lot of you know, draft capital,
Speaker 1: which really shouldn't be Deshaun Watson's concern. Um, They're not
Speaker 1: stuck in a in a terrible place to to add
Speaker 1: talent anyways, and Robert Sali changes everything. I think they
Speaker 1: had no selling point when we first brought this up,
Speaker 1: and we had no idea who they'd hire. I just
Speaker 1: thought they had no selling point for because because like
Speaker 1: the one thing you'd have to point out is that
Speaker 1: if ownership is super important, the Jets have really sketchy
Speaker 1: ownership track record right now. But they do have a
Speaker 1: GM and a coach that you can buy into mm hm,
Speaker 1: not a lot of weapons, you know, they have a
Speaker 1: lot of roster work to do. But the fact the
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams trade, as painful as it was, really sets
Speaker 1: them up well here with the number two pick and
Speaker 1: then those two picks. So the number two pick means,
Speaker 1: obviously to the Texans, hey you could if you really
Speaker 1: want to find your next quarterback, you could have anyone
Speaker 1: you want in this class that's not um obviously Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: So if you fall in love with one of these guys, um,
Speaker 1: Zack Wilson at a b y U justin Fields at
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Um, he's there if you want it. You
Speaker 1: can also take that number two pick and then trade
Speaker 1: it yourself and flip it for more draft capital for
Speaker 1: another team that loves it. Uh. And so that's such
Speaker 1: a powerful pick to have dangled in the trade. And
Speaker 1: then because of the Adams deal, the Jets could give
Speaker 1: up number one picks and not put themselves in a
Speaker 1: situation like Bill O'Brien did to the Texans where they're
Speaker 1: just barren for years and they don't have a pick
Speaker 1: draft after draft. Um in obviously would deplete their what
Speaker 1: what they've built up in that surplus. But that's to
Speaker 1: me what this has always been about. When you dealt Adams,
Speaker 1: it was to have this this cashe picks to make
Speaker 1: a move, and I think it makes a lot of
Speaker 1: sense um for the Jets obviously, and Watson if he
Speaker 1: has the It's kind of like the dice roll for
Speaker 1: Watson and all this the ones we've brought up before
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense logically in terms of checking
Speaker 1: a lot of boxes. But I feel like this one
Speaker 1: could have the highest reward if it worked out well.
Speaker 1: I think the fact that you know, reputable reporters are
Speaker 1: all saying, um that the Jets are number one says
Speaker 1: a lot about well, what where Watson's mindset is, where
Speaker 1: his in his agent's mindset is. And I think it's
Speaker 1: all about New York, you know, the city. I mean,
Speaker 1: it can't it can't really be I mean in salad solitude,
Speaker 1: But I think the New York factor of it all
Speaker 1: has to be it that he wants to go live there.
Speaker 1: He wants to be that guy right or else why
Speaker 1: why would why would they be a top the list?
Speaker 1: Otherwise it's got to be New can't know, I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't buy that. Know. The lure of New York
Speaker 1: for an athlete, I mean, has made sense forever. And
Speaker 1: I mean they've talked about Deshaun Watson's hung out in
Speaker 1: the village. He likes New York and stuff, So I mean,
Speaker 1: but I but I do. I would separate Dan saying
Speaker 1: that you think that the highest reward for Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: is in New York. I mean the highest reward is
Speaker 1: winning Super Bowl. So it's like the only thing I'd
Speaker 1: say about something like San Francisco. The foundation is there
Speaker 1: in San Francisco with a coach who's been to a
Speaker 1: super Bowl. I'm saying, winning the Super Bowls is part
Speaker 1: of it. But to maximize your branding and to be
Speaker 1: something of a legend in you know, the biggest city
Speaker 1: in the country. I think his I think he thinks,
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson that wherever he goes, I have a chance
Speaker 1: to win the super Bowl because I'm that special and
Speaker 1: if you surround me with the right town, so then
Speaker 1: what else can you add to that? But yes, I
Speaker 1: think the in terms of the odds of getting a
Speaker 1: super Bowl championship, yeah, with nine. I mean as a fan,
Speaker 1: being a fan of the New York team that's or
Speaker 1: a Miami team that's, those are built in advantages to
Speaker 1: getting these players. That's something that if you live in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: you're not getting those players. So you know, if you
Speaker 1: logically it would pay off for the Jets, fans and
Speaker 1: NFL circle. I wanted to know if Cassario cares about
Speaker 1: the fact that it's the Jets. I think it's an
Speaker 1: It's an X factor whether a Easterby and Cassario might
Speaker 1: have some ill will to the Patriots, who knows, although
Speaker 1: you know, Bill, yeah, I don't think Cassario would logically,
Speaker 1: and Bill Belichick, you know, puts this flowery thing out,
Speaker 1: you know, and about how important Nick Cassario has been.
Speaker 1: That said, they didn't let them go to the Texans
Speaker 1: the time before. Cassario ultimately chose easter Be overstaying in
Speaker 1: New England. And these trades do come down partly to relationships, uh,
Speaker 1: and like who you want to trade with. So that's
Speaker 1: an X factor. No one probably knows except for them
Speaker 1: on the inside. All Right, I'm gonna spend the wheel
Speaker 1: two more time. Um, I'm gonna add the Patriots and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. So we have Patriots football team, Cowboys Rams Steelers.
Speaker 1: You guys got that? Okay, here we go the image.
Speaker 1: All right, football team. All right, I'll do this one. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Sean David again in a busy day Um, I've
Speaker 1: been hearing a lot, you know, from the football team
Speaker 1: in Washington. They they they're making the cell. They're making
Speaker 1: the pitch to me, Ron Rivera new era. Look at
Speaker 1: the success they already have, tough upfront. Um Nation's Capital'
Speaker 1: gonna do it all. I gotta admit I've heard it all.
Speaker 1: I'm not into it. I'd say I say we say God.
Speaker 1: I say God's making the choice. He's look I'm looking
Speaker 1: at um. I'm all not. I'm looking at the last
Speaker 1: twenty years since this ownership came over. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: some of the things. Even though Ron Rivera's you know,
Speaker 1: helped turn the ship around a little bit. That that
Speaker 1: I don't love the way that they brought in Marty
Speaker 1: Hernie uh and then kind of funagle that, Okay, he's
Speaker 1: not actually the GM. I want an organization I can trust,
Speaker 1: and I know I'm supposed to be pitching on it,
Speaker 1: but this is a relationship. You gotta trust me this, Sean,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to. I don't want to put
Speaker 1: you in a in a tough situation. So I don't
Speaker 1: care how many draft picks, how much money they're offering.
Speaker 1: I do not want to go to the Washington football team.
Speaker 1: That doesn't Yeah, that doesn't get my engine reven as
Speaker 1: a football fan either. I mean, obviously I want to
Speaker 1: do it to the Jets, but if he goes to Washington,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe maybe it would be awesome. I
Speaker 1: don't know. But if there's if there's another team out
Speaker 1: there that would give me some Texans vibes in that,
Speaker 1: I would be I know, look, I know Ron River
Speaker 1: is great and all this stuff, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not into it. All right, let's spend the wheel again, Greg, Mark,
Speaker 1: you have anything that to that? No? I think that, Like,
Speaker 1: why go from the Texans to an even more bizarre
Speaker 1: thorny or controversy laiden ownerships there? There is the whole
Speaker 1: attack on you know, the White House and everything that
Speaker 1: is safe there, and there's a lot going on. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. All right, here we go
Speaker 1: with that blank team. Do nothing? I like that? All right? Mark?
Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys America. What's not to love about the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. I mean, you grew up a football fan.
Speaker 1: Um I don't. Well, but that's the whole point, isn't it.
Speaker 1: That's the whole point because Jerry Jones is an owner
Speaker 1: number one beloved by his players. I mean, if anything,
Speaker 1: if anything in between you and me, Deshaun like his
Speaker 1: loyalty to some of his players may have been one
Speaker 1: of his bigger faults. Um. He loves to spend money,
Speaker 1: big money on all sorts of players. And you know
Speaker 1: they've got the Dak Prescott situation right now. But I
Speaker 1: think that this is a really, um pretty seamless incredible
Speaker 1: solution to that would keep you in Texas. Um, but
Speaker 1: think about the switch you have, the organizational switch you'll
Speaker 1: be making from a Texans team that is not even
Speaker 1: a little brother to the Cowboys. Just the Texans have
Speaker 1: essentially never really accomplish anything. You go to the most
Speaker 1: storied franchise in the league, one that has not won
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl since Um. But even regardless, guys like
Speaker 1: Tony Rohmer are revered um all quarterbacks, the Dallas Cowboys quarterback.
Speaker 1: I could tell you this, not only would you have
Speaker 1: a career that where you could win immediate Super Bowls
Speaker 1: with a team that will always find a way to
Speaker 1: sign players. And you already are walking into an offense
Speaker 1: with Ezekiel Elliott and the best wide receiving group in
Speaker 1: the NFC. If you want to look at it that way,
Speaker 1: you could be the heir apparent to Troy Aikman, all right,
Speaker 1: to Roger Stall, back to so many Cowboys greats, and
Speaker 1: you move right into a Monday night football booth after that.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you right now, this is you changing
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL forever. I mean, I cannot
Speaker 1: think of a better pairing. I cannot think of a
Speaker 1: better pairing than you in a Dallas Cowboys uniform. It's
Speaker 1: every little boy's dream before they pick a team of
Speaker 1: their own. It's the one brand that is um worldwide,
Speaker 1: as big as any sports team out there, and bigger
Speaker 1: than most any company. This could be you as the
Speaker 1: centerpiece of it. And yes, I would be tough as
Speaker 1: a rookie, but you right now, the Deshaun Watson, we
Speaker 1: know you could handle it, and you could turn the
Speaker 1: talas to Dallas Cowboys into a annual super Bowl team.
Speaker 1: This is the place to go. It's why it's the
Speaker 1: last one we're doing. But this is the brand cell
Speaker 1: that Trump's obviously even the Raiders, and especially a guy
Speaker 1: that has now played an entire pro career in Texas
Speaker 1: They're in very different you know, if you know Texas
Speaker 1: is at all, there's hundreds of miles that separate um
Speaker 1: Houston from Dallas, which is in North Texas. But still
Speaker 1: you can't escape the specter of the Cowboys and how
Speaker 1: huge everything is around Dallas. So I would think that
Speaker 1: that would be attractive to him. He would stay somewhat local,
Speaker 1: and he would have a chance to now be on
Speaker 1: Still despite the twenty five years about a Super Bowl appearance,
Speaker 1: Still the team that um A is always on prime
Speaker 1: time and it always gets the love and be similar
Speaker 1: to how I was talking about the Jets, like, you
Speaker 1: could be the guy who goes there and returns the
Speaker 1: Cowboys to prominence and makes them a champion again. Um
Speaker 1: I mean a factor in the playmakers too. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know if Ezekiel Elliott is part of the future,
Speaker 1: especially once you have to give Dak. You have to
Speaker 1: give the money to Deshaun Watson that you're given to DAK.
Speaker 1: I guess my question to you, Greg, is we all
Speaker 1: love um Deshaun Watson? Is it that big en upgrade
Speaker 1: to make the move and get surrender all the draft
Speaker 1: capital to go from Dak to de Shaun well, maybe
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have to give as much up. You shouldn't
Speaker 1: as another team. If Dak Escot's part of the deal,
Speaker 1: I love it was still number one or maybe two
Speaker 1: number ones, right, I don't know da Dack in the
Speaker 1: number one. Here's the thing, I don't think I love
Speaker 1: this deal more than any other for Houston because the
Speaker 1: only way to me that it makes any sense to
Speaker 1: trade away a player like DeShawn Watson is if you're
Speaker 1: getting the top ten quarterback back and I'd much rather
Speaker 1: have Dak Prescott than the number two overall overall picket.
Speaker 1: It makes all the sense in the world. That said,
Speaker 1: these two franchises, I know that there's been a legit
Speaker 1: sort of rivalry between the ownerships that you know that
Speaker 1: they they're fighting for the same territory. The Texans fans
Speaker 1: are trying to get Cowboys fans become Texans fans when
Speaker 1: they moved to Houston, and um, it's a little it's
Speaker 1: a little hard to imagine. But from the Houston side,
Speaker 1: I think it makes more sense than anything. And from
Speaker 1: the Dallas side, who's always been like slightly more lukewarm
Speaker 1: on Dak Prescott than seemingly they should be. It makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense to I mean, I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it sort of for the NFL. It sends
Speaker 1: you to the NFC, to which you think the Texans
Speaker 1: would love like it's just crazy enough to work if
Speaker 1: the ownership can, you know, get over the fact that
Speaker 1: you're delivering Dallas Cowboys Deshaun Watson, which I don't know
Speaker 1: if they could get over that, because even if you
Speaker 1: do get back doc Um and the fans will be
Speaker 1: I think somewhat um pleased by if if we have
Speaker 1: to trade our superstar, we can get one back, and
Speaker 1: and he's a guy that everyone loves and Dak, but
Speaker 1: to keep him in Texas and to make him now
Speaker 1: the center, he'll be Like we said, fans might revolve.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you mean you want to send them
Speaker 1: to Antarctica. I don't think they're gonna do it, even
Speaker 1: if even with Dac there. Doak is the only thing
Speaker 1: that makes it even remotely plausible. But the idea of
Speaker 1: the Texans, who are a little brother in that state,
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys ever giving him their greatest player ever,
Speaker 1: I don't. I just can't say it. So Easterby and
Speaker 1: Cassario have no link to the Cowboys Texans, but I
Speaker 1: would think cal McNair would exactly, and he would. I
Speaker 1: think I think the Textans really do have to think
Speaker 1: about the impact they're making with their fans over the
Speaker 1: next fifteen years. If you're getting rid of Watson and Watt, well,
Speaker 1: you mean start thinking about it, because they haven't clearly
Speaker 1: given that a second of thought. I mean they I
Speaker 1: can't think of a team that more coldly is acting
Speaker 1: like we don't care about the I'd much rather have
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, but to be Dak Prescott at first and
Speaker 1: whatever a little more. I think that's it's not crazy.
Speaker 1: That's how highly you know. I think Dak Prescott should
Speaker 1: be viewed as a top ten quarterback moving forward. All right,
Speaker 1: that's good, that's fun. I think we've got seven or
Speaker 1: eight teams knocked out there. I mean Steelers, you know,
Speaker 1: calm down, you're probably not getting them. Steelers the only
Speaker 1: one I would say, I don't know if you have
Speaker 1: the capitol, but Deshaun Watson and a Broncos uniform with
Speaker 1: that offense the way it is, would be um intriguing
Speaker 1: to me. Although I don't know Deshaun Watson and Pat
Speaker 1: Schirmer don't feel like, um, they're going to go down
Speaker 1: in the record books together, so you have to make
Speaker 1: some tweet they they're them in the lines. Are the
Speaker 1: teams I think that have the most that are in
Speaker 1: position to be super aggressive. But well, what so, Dan,
Speaker 1: what would you do if? Um, I'm just saying this
Speaker 1: is not impossible. This is the most second second most
Speaker 1: capitom in the league and future picks the Patriots easter
Speaker 1: being Cassario pulling, I mean to a point where pink
Speaker 1: pony is not even a joke. It's just simply come
Speaker 1: to is the most annoying thing in the league. I mean,
Speaker 1: it would number one to be terrible. Number two. I
Speaker 1: don't stress about it too much because it feels like
Speaker 1: Texans again. If you're at all factoring in where your
Speaker 1: fan base is, that you already feel like you've been
Speaker 1: losing for a decade plus. This attempt to be Patriots South.
Speaker 1: And if you then were to send your greatest quarterback
Speaker 1: ever to the Patriots, I mean, what kind of I mean,
Speaker 1: what kind of businesses that to do that? But send
Speaker 1: him any send him anywhere is bad business. Here's the thing,
Speaker 1: They've been places that are worse than others, and the
Speaker 1: Patriots to me, are on that list that it would
Speaker 1: be it would come off even more poorly than other
Speaker 1: teams that Mike toml On has that quote like, don't
Speaker 1: live in your fears, you know. I mean he was
Speaker 1: kind of living in his fears when he punted on
Speaker 1: fourth and one from the forty eight. But uh, to me,
Speaker 1: that's where the Texans have been. They've been living in
Speaker 1: their fears. And I really put some stock into this
Speaker 1: whole a FC thing. I really think that's them living
Speaker 1: in their fears and they're gonna do whatever they can
Speaker 1: because they're like just acting out of cowardice almost, and
Speaker 1: that is going to help these NFC teams that want them.
Speaker 1: Could could be, could be that way. All right, that's
Speaker 1: it for the week. No network show this week. We'll
Speaker 1: be back on what are we doing Monday or Tuesday? Tuesday,
Speaker 1: So Tuesday next time you hear from us. Tuesday, we
Speaker 1: also have um a special Super Bowl week show planned
Speaker 1: that will connect us with the listeners. Maybe we'll share
Speaker 1: details that on Tuesday. So I don't have I think
Speaker 1: we should we should share it now, all right, Ricky,
Speaker 1: why don't you set the table there? Yes? So we
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Speaker 1: So that's cool. So we'll have that show next week,
Speaker 1: and we'll also have other podcast goodness, including our super
Speaker 1: Bowl preview show on Thursday, and then of course Sunday
Speaker 1: night Super Bowl Sunday, the final flagship show of the
Speaker 1: season where we recap the Big Game. So a lot
Speaker 1: coming up this week. Thank you everybody who's listened all
Speaker 1: season long and you know all these years. I love
Speaker 1: you guys. All right, that's it. Dan handsOn signing off
Speaker 1: four Quiet Storm the old Boss. There it is again.
Speaker 1: This reminds me of every bad club I had to
Speaker 1: go to in college. Where are we going? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: where were going tonight. We're going to bar. Now we're
Speaker 1: going you know, we're going to Landsdowne go on to club.
Speaker 1: It's not again. Just you just got through it. You
Speaker 1: just that was part of that was part of the
Speaker 1: culture back then. I thought it was fun. Sometimes sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to be in the right mindset. Depends what
Speaker 1: happens to you. But I mean, anything could happen. Does
Speaker 1: it sounds like the Ladies Night? Yeah, it sounds like
Speaker 1: I would do disgusting things to be able to get
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Speaker 1: The desperation to get women into clubs and bars by
Speaker 1: promoters is one of the funniest things, all right, Dan
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