Speaker 1: Here's some stories about show we made about a bunch
Speaker 1: of dots, and nurses said, he's the stories never yet
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Speaker 1: just case you want to see my moose knuckle. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Oh your frozen? Oh you you pulled it up. You
Speaker 1: pulled it tight. It's so tiny. You seen it. You've
Speaker 1: seen it raw, I've seen it in the bear, You've
Speaker 1: seen it in the Yeah, Casey. Over the years, she's
Speaker 1: definitely seen my peeple. But but I'm okay with it. Hey, Donald,
Speaker 1: I'm okay too. Is that sound nice? Is that weird?
Speaker 1: Is that weird? Now we've we've known each other a
Speaker 1: long time and there's been alcohol and hot tubs and crazy.
Speaker 1: Hey do you like this onesie? How sexy is this?
Speaker 1: I love that onesie? It looks a little smaller on.
Speaker 1: I know, I gotta tell you, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell the fans who are listening right now, if you're
Speaker 1: if you order this size, go a size up because
Speaker 1: I am a six foot in male and this is
Speaker 1: a large, and I'm experiencing both moose knuckle and weggie.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, put on, let me get this straight. Get ahead, girl,
Speaker 1: moose knuckle yeah and WEGGI yeah. Now I'm worried our fans.
Speaker 1: We're gonna for the lucky. I don't know how many
Speaker 1: we got, like six hundred, which is probably either a
Speaker 1: lot or too little, but that sounds really uncomfortable. Man. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you we're gonna put it on the
Speaker 1: site to make sure people know. It's just I feel
Speaker 1: this is this is not a large. This is a
Speaker 1: medium to me. And if you nowadays, the extra largest
Speaker 1: the large. Nowadays, man, when you go to Nike and
Speaker 1: you buy a sweatsuit, do you buy the large or
Speaker 1: do you buy the extra? Well, you know what they
Speaker 1: do because I've been doing some online clothes shopping. That's
Speaker 1: smart these days. They tell you what the model is wearing.
Speaker 1: They'll be like, the model is six one and wearing
Speaker 1: a medium or whatever. So I'm the model to tell
Speaker 1: you that I'm six foot and slim, and a large
Speaker 1: is too small. I wish I had an excel. So
Speaker 1: this is your your announcement. We'll put that on the
Speaker 1: site too. I guess, um, hi guys, you know what.
Speaker 1: I gotta stay real quick. I just realized, well you
Speaker 1: have no ego, sir, because k you seeing I made
Speaker 1: a small penis reference and she was like, I know,
Speaker 1: I've seen it in the bear. And instead of you
Speaker 1: being like my pay say small, you went you were like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of hot tub days, and well,
Speaker 1: I'm a grower, not a shower. Donald I, I'm very
Speaker 1: happy with my with my penis a fuck sake to
Speaker 1: stop talking about your winning. Sorry, deb, deb Sorry, We're
Speaker 1: gonna just do one or two sentences on it. Um.
Speaker 1: But it's a grower. It's you know, like George in
Speaker 1: in in in Seinfeld. If it's called out, he's like
Speaker 1: a turtle. He tucks in for one. I'm a grower,
Speaker 1: not a shower. You're a fucking eel that only gets bigger.
Speaker 1: I've seen that thing like a fat baby's arm. All right, listen,
Speaker 1: we have a new show for you tonight. Everybody. We
Speaker 1: have a new us. Listen. We have an exciting show
Speaker 1: for you. Today, We're gonna do a special episode with
Speaker 1: the John Doris, the whole inspiration for Scrubs. He was
Speaker 1: built college friend and he they partied together, and then
Speaker 1: he became a very very fancy cardiologist, cardiac surgeon, I believe,
Speaker 1: and now he is heading up. He is the doctor
Speaker 1: Kelso of Kaiser Permanente, which is one of the biggest
Speaker 1: hospitals in Los Angeles, and we got him. And my
Speaker 1: dog has chosen this moment to play with the loud toy,
Speaker 1: so we'll have to deal with that too. But um,
Speaker 1: it's so thrilling. So um, I thought we talked to
Speaker 1: him about Scrub's first and foremost, and then because he's
Speaker 1: so smart and genius about COVID, we could ask him
Speaker 1: questions about the vaccines and how that's all rolling out,
Speaker 1: because no one knows more than this guy. So this
Speaker 1: is a fancy guest everybody, I'm really excited about. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I have so many questions. I know. I couldn't sleep
Speaker 1: last night. I was rehearsing and took I took notes.
Speaker 1: Did you listen to podcast? I was listening. I did
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast. Oh yeah, for once. Did your homework. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean all right, let's just talk about okay, let's
Speaker 1: get him in. Let's get him in, let's get it.
Speaker 1: Let's get all right, get him in. Dan. Here he
Speaker 1: comes there, he is. Oh my god, thunderous applause. Did
Speaker 1: you guys have trouble sleeping last night because you were
Speaker 1: nervous like me? I literally did? I literally did. By
Speaker 1: the way, By the way, this is our producer Joel
Speaker 1: and our editor engineer Daniel. Doctor Dan, Hi, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to see you. Are you Your new
Speaker 1: nickname is doctor John Blues, the Blues guy, Doctor John.
Speaker 1: Isn't there? Listen? Welcome to the program, everybody. This is uh,
Speaker 1: the real j D. We called him Real j D
Speaker 1: because the whole time he discovers because not only was
Speaker 1: he Bill's inspo for writing the show, um, but his
Speaker 1: name is John Doris aka j D, and he was
Speaker 1: also our medical advisor on the show. So he is
Speaker 1: us the perfect guest for this program. He and his
Speaker 1: wife and that's right, Dolly Dolly as well. Now jo
Speaker 1: ask you a question, how how how is Dolly? And
Speaker 1: how are your children? Doll? Oh? Thank you? Donald. Dolly
Speaker 1: is doing great. She uh is now teaching kids and
Speaker 1: parents about sex and drugs and pornography. What in that
Speaker 1: context is that she she started her own business called
Speaker 1: Adolescents and she know she's a physician, she's a family physician.
Speaker 1: But now she just saw a huge opportunity for sex education.
Speaker 1: Uh and and sort of lifestyle education for for kids
Speaker 1: that wasn't being met and so she's doing that now.
Speaker 1: So is that another podcast we're gonna get her on
Speaker 1: for that, We're gonna book, We're gonna book Dolly for that.
Speaker 1: But wait, John, is that just in lair? Is that
Speaker 1: all over the country? She'll do it anywhere? And now
Speaker 1: that it's now that it's zoom, she does it. She
Speaker 1: does it everywhere. So it's sort of starting a conversation
Speaker 1: with teens about sex and is it with their parents?
Speaker 1: Why do they do it separately? How does that work?
Speaker 1: All different all different variations. She does all ages. She
Speaker 1: does it in school, she does it with parents, she
Speaker 1: does it in groups, in individuals. She's she's really the
Speaker 1: brains of the operation. Well, now, if someone wanted to
Speaker 1: what is the is there a website for that? How
Speaker 1: do people find out about that? Yeah? Well, thank you
Speaker 1: for ask your wife right off the bat here. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Ado Lessons LA dot Com Ado Lessons L E
Speaker 1: S S O N S. Pretty clever title, right, lost
Speaker 1: you how do you? How do you spell it? A
Speaker 1: d O L E S S O N S ADO Lessons,
Speaker 1: some brilliant marketer, let's come up with got it now? John? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't even where to begin with you, because I
Speaker 1: have so much we want to talk. I'll sleep about vaccine,
Speaker 1: everything that you're doing right now. Yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: we should start at the beginning. Let's start at the
Speaker 1: very beginning. Yes, A very good place to start, and
Speaker 1: where we usually start with that is with your connection
Speaker 1: with Bill Lawrence. We are he talks about this all
Speaker 1: the time. Every time he's on the show. He talks
Speaker 1: about this and brag about this. But for us, for
Speaker 1: the listeners out there, and for Zach and I, from
Speaker 1: your mouth, it would be great to hear that story. Yes,
Speaker 1: And also I just want you to know we all
Speaker 1: know Billy is a huge exaggerator, and every time you
Speaker 1: hear I've heard stories that I was there and like
Speaker 1: five years later, the story is nothing like what happened.
Speaker 1: But it's amazing because he's a genius storyteller, but like
Speaker 1: there's like a shred of fact left. So I've heard
Speaker 1: that you were a big partier and you guys used
Speaker 1: to rage in college, and then he could never imagine
Speaker 1: the whole The catalyst for him writing Scrubs was he
Speaker 1: couldn't imagine that this guy, his partying, puking college buddy,
Speaker 1: was going to become a doctor. No, go, wow, yes
Speaker 1: he does. Um, he is a great storyteller. The fish
Speaker 1: gets bigger every time the story is told. But so Bill,
Speaker 1: and by the way, can people are people seeing me?
Speaker 1: Or no? This is all audio? Fabulous. I want the
Speaker 1: audience to know that you look more handsome than jd
Speaker 1: Ever did that? Well, you know that is a That
Speaker 1: is a funny story that when Bill was making the
Speaker 1: show and it was gonna happen, he said to me, well,
Speaker 1: now I just have to find an actor who's as
Speaker 1: pear shaped and boring as you. Oh my god, And
Speaker 1: that was the moment you punched him in the face. Right,
Speaker 1: all right, come on, how did you meet? How did
Speaker 1: you meet? Okay, so, yes, Bill and I met when
Speaker 1: we were seventeen. We were in college together at William
Speaker 1: and Mary in Williamsburg. Virginia and we met as freshman.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we were in the same we
Speaker 1: were in different doors but then but then joined the
Speaker 1: same fraternity. Yeah, I mean it was a very similar relationship,
Speaker 1: I think to Turk and JD. Actually, which my interpretation,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever told this to Bill,
Speaker 1: but my interpretation of his writing of that was semi
Speaker 1: autobiographical in that not the medicine part, but the fact
Speaker 1: that I was sort of the quiet, nerdy guy and
Speaker 1: he was the popular, you know, sports jock. You know,
Speaker 1: he's great at basketball, he's good looking, he would always
Speaker 1: be with another woman, you know, like and I would
Speaker 1: just sort of be his his sort of mute wingman. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But you know which, you know, who's more interesting in
Speaker 1: the story when they tell those stories, you know who's
Speaker 1: the more interesting person? That's right, That's right. It's not
Speaker 1: the guy with all the attributes. It's the one that
Speaker 1: nobody knows anything about, man, the quiet one, thee Right.
Speaker 1: That's that's Bill stays true to form. He stayed true
Speaker 1: to form. He stays true to form. He wrote this
Speaker 1: show about you. There's not a lot of him in this.
Speaker 1: This is truly about scrubs is truly about you. Well,
Speaker 1: what he's saying, Donald, if I understand when correctly is
Speaker 1: is and not something I've never heard before. Was that
Speaker 1: in his opinion, there's a whole lot of Bill and Turk. Yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: I think that's awesome. I hope I did. I hope
Speaker 1: when Bill looks at Turkey he's like, well, you can
Speaker 1: think about it. Turkey is like a basket of handsome
Speaker 1: basketball player with a fuckload of confidence, right right. He's
Speaker 1: the biggest, the biggest personality in the room always right.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a that's Bill to a team, right on.
Speaker 1: I hope I did him proud. So, um, what was
Speaker 1: it like in college? Did you were you really the
Speaker 1: big partyer that that he's made you out to be
Speaker 1: over the years. I mean we were, we were pretty
Speaker 1: you know, sophomoric. Uh and uh. And it was in
Speaker 1: the eighties and there was a lot of there was
Speaker 1: a lot of hum beer drinking. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if he was going beer coke, but we'll just say
Speaker 1: I think I think the subtitle when you say eighties,
Speaker 1: it really means coke, but okay, beer, But you know,
Speaker 1: I think that I think that you know, as the
Speaker 1: party would go on, I'd be the guy who would
Speaker 1: fall asleep, and he'd be the guy that would rage
Speaker 1: rage all night. So I'm sure that that we started
Speaker 1: out at the parties together, but he always closed down
Speaker 1: the bar. He was so hammered he probably never knew
Speaker 1: you left. He was like Jade. He was with me
Speaker 1: the whole time. I knew i'd make it back to
Speaker 1: the to the to the Pratt House because j D
Speaker 1: would by my side. So okay, so I'm gonna fast
Speaker 1: forward because we have so much to cover. At a
Speaker 1: certain point, Bill becomes a successful writer. He's madspin City,
Speaker 1: and he obviously gets this idea and inspired by you.
Speaker 1: Tell me what that first call was like? Did he
Speaker 1: did he? Did he call you and say, hey, what
Speaker 1: do you think of this? How did that go? Yeah? So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was an internal medicine resident at this point, so
Speaker 1: I had finished medical school and now I was an
Speaker 1: internal medicine resident of Brown in Providence, Rhode Island. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Providence, and yeah, he called and he started
Speaker 1: to say, listen, you've been telling me these stories for
Speaker 1: years now, and I'm gonna write this show about it.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that they're really funny. And to me,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking the stories that I told them were horrific,
Speaker 1: Like you can't tell people those stories because they're never
Speaker 1: going to go to the hospital. That it's crazy. But
Speaker 1: you know, he's a genius at using hyperbole and a
Speaker 1: comic genius, and he was able to capture the very
Speaker 1: human part of every story but then make it then
Speaker 1: make it very funny. And did you um some of
Speaker 1: this stuff in the pilot? In particular, Bill says that
Speaker 1: you said really happened, for example, hiding in the closet
Speaker 1: for one of your first codes. Did that happen? Okay,
Speaker 1: that needs clarity. It's one of it's Bill hyperbole, but
Speaker 1: give some clarity. So yes, I did tell him about
Speaker 1: the first code. And for those people who don't know
Speaker 1: what a code is, um when someone has a life
Speaker 1: threatening event in a hospital, they make an announcement, the
Speaker 1: code blue announcement over the over the PA and and
Speaker 1: all of the residents. If it's a if it's a
Speaker 1: teaching hospital, we'll run there to try to save the person.
Speaker 1: And at Brown we had it's a big place, or
Speaker 1: four hospitals all connected with these Gerbil tubes, and so Um,
Speaker 1: I was running to that first code, and I realized, like,
Speaker 1: I'm probably going to be the first one there, and
Speaker 1: so I totally I admit it. I admit it. I
Speaker 1: totally stopped and like acted like my shoe needed tying,
Speaker 1: and like I picked up this thing, and and my
Speaker 1: my senior resident, came up behind me, say, I saw
Speaker 1: you stop. You get your ass to that code. So,
Speaker 1: because at that point, when you're an intern, you don't
Speaker 1: know what you're doing in the beginning, right, it was
Speaker 1: so were you still in charge of the were you
Speaker 1: still in charge of the situation when you got there
Speaker 1: because you're senior resident? Residents saw you do that. No,
Speaker 1: I was not going to be in charge because by
Speaker 1: the time I wasted time and acted all like I
Speaker 1: better take my time, Um, there were already ten people
Speaker 1: in the room. And so yeah, I I never lived
Speaker 1: that down. My my senior resident that year never never
Speaker 1: let me live that town. And when I told Bill
Speaker 1: that story, he loved it, and then of course he
Speaker 1: turned it into the one of the most famous scenes
Speaker 1: in Scrubs where where you guys end up in there.
Speaker 1: I think it was it was so great because it
Speaker 1: I think that moment the reason it's so special. Is
Speaker 1: it really kind of sums up what the premise of
Speaker 1: the show was. Yes, I've been trained to be a doctor,
Speaker 1: and yes I've done all the reading and I passed
Speaker 1: all the tests. But I'm still a kid, and I'm
Speaker 1: fucking terrified, and I want to help, but I'm scared
Speaker 1: to help. I mean, it was the character of jd
Speaker 1: in a nutshell, and so he hides in a closet,
Speaker 1: and there, of course as Elliott, hiding along with him.
Speaker 1: Now did your romance? Now was Molly, sorry, Dolly your wife?
Speaker 1: Was she your Elliott? I mean, was that an inspiration
Speaker 1: for Bill as well? I think probably in a way.
Speaker 1: So Dolly and I can I tell you the story
Speaker 1: of how Dolly and I met. Listen lutely, everybody wants
Speaker 1: to know the real story. Yes, everybody wants to know this.
Speaker 1: Dolly and I met in medical school. And in medical
Speaker 1: school the first two years you're in a giant auditor
Speaker 1: and I was a I was, like I said, quiet
Speaker 1: nerdy guy sitting away in the back. And you guys
Speaker 1: know Dolly, she is the life of the party. She's
Speaker 1: always smiling, she's friends with everybody. So she was right
Speaker 1: down in the front, and every day I would see
Speaker 1: this gorgeous girl come in to the class, but she'd
Speaker 1: be late, and she'd then, you know, trying to bring
Speaker 1: her breakfast in. So I one day I brought an
Speaker 1: orange and I asked the person in front of me,
Speaker 1: can you send this down to Dolly? And of course,
Speaker 1: because everyone knows Dolly, I had the bird's eye view
Speaker 1: and I watched the orange go directly be line to her.
Speaker 1: And I did that for a few days in a row.
Speaker 1: And then the next day she brought an orange and
Speaker 1: she asked the person next to her, can you send
Speaker 1: this to John Doris? And again I had the bird's
Speaker 1: eye view, and I watched that orange meander around the room.
Speaker 1: Nobody knew where it was going. By that's time I
Speaker 1: got to me it was half eaten. That's actually funny.
Speaker 1: Why the fuck did that not make it right? And
Speaker 1: so that was that's how that budding relationship started. Now,
Speaker 1: tell us about how so once the show's up and running,
Speaker 1: you became our medical advisor. At what point were you like,
Speaker 1: all right, so long Brown, so long Rhode Island. Here
Speaker 1: we go, la. Well, Dolly, that's a great question, Donald.
Speaker 1: So Dolly is from LA. She grew up in LA.
Speaker 1: She went to high school out here, and she went
Speaker 1: to UCLA And so we met, you know, on the
Speaker 1: east coast in New England, and we knew we were
Speaker 1: gonna get married, and so she said, we're going back
Speaker 1: to have a family in LA. She wanted to be
Speaker 1: near her parents, and so we knew we were coming back.
Speaker 1: And it was just arndipity that that Bill was making
Speaker 1: this show. And he asked if if we wanted to
Speaker 1: be involved, and of course, uh, the rest is history.
Speaker 1: So was that too dramatic history? I'm gonna use that right.
Speaker 1: Arrest is history. That's the clever end of a sentence. Now,
Speaker 1: John m Now tell us, I mean you got people.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we have a lot of medical people in
Speaker 1: the medical field that listen, but obviously a lot of
Speaker 1: layman who like us, who truly know almost nothing. Um,
Speaker 1: how would the process go with you and Bill? Because
Speaker 1: at times we would get scripts before you'd been there,
Speaker 1: and it would say like medical jargon will go here
Speaker 1: in parentheses. And then at times I'm sure he came
Speaker 1: to you and said I need a thing that would
Speaker 1: cause someone to be like this, Like, so tell us
Speaker 1: about how you would work with Bill and the writers. Yeah, uh, Bill,
Speaker 1: it would be exactly that that Bill would call me.
Speaker 1: He'd say, you know, we need someone to be you know,
Speaker 1: really sick, like on their death. But they can't die
Speaker 1: because that, you know, they have to be able to
Speaker 1: get better suddenly and have a bunch of lines out
Speaker 1: and it can't be cancer because that's too sad and
Speaker 1: it can't be And so I'm thinking like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: and so I would come up with with scenarios and
Speaker 1: occasionally i'd have to interject. I'd say, you know, Bill,
Speaker 1: that that what you're doing there, that that's really too fake.
Speaker 1: That's not really the way it would happen. And he
Speaker 1: would sort of like, you know, pat me on the
Speaker 1: back and say, you know, fake is funnier, and that
Speaker 1: was sort of the end of the conversation. That's kind
Speaker 1: of cool. A lot of it is if I could
Speaker 1: equate it to anything you were kind of like flight
Speaker 1: simulating scenarios, like you know, how you play the game,
Speaker 1: like you play flight simulator and you fly different missions
Speaker 1: and stuff like that you were trying or d emming
Speaker 1: or dungeon mastering different types of ways. That that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: I would you reconstruct or would you d construct it right? Right?
Speaker 1: So it's almost I would definitely do some reverse engineering
Speaker 1: Donald be you know, knowing what the outcome would have
Speaker 1: to be, you know, if they were going to die
Speaker 1: or not die, and then I would I would try
Speaker 1: to draw from from cases from my own experience. And
Speaker 1: as as the seasons went on, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys took note of this, but as the seasons
Speaker 1: went on and I became more and more specialized out
Speaker 1: of internal medicine in the cardiology and then ultimately a
Speaker 1: cardiac electric physiologist, the scenarios became more cardiac in they
Speaker 1: all because I forgot all that other stuff. But I
Speaker 1: think memory of you that that I've told in the
Speaker 1: podcast before, but I want to say while you're here,
Speaker 1: and that is so John, in addition to helping with
Speaker 1: the writing and helping building the writers come up with
Speaker 1: the right scenarios and all the jargon, he would also
Speaker 1: when there were times where we had to be doing procedures,
Speaker 1: be there and he could or Dolly would sometimes do
Speaker 1: it when John couldn't um and this was back in
Speaker 1: the day before smartphones, and so John would would obviously
Speaker 1: need to be keeping track of his patients and uh,
Speaker 1: and he would I remember, and there's still the facts
Speaker 1: machine era, obviously, and I remember a PA handing John
Speaker 1: of facts of someone's like EKG and he looked at it.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I should probably get so. I don't
Speaker 1: mean to imply that you didn't have your patients covered
Speaker 1: by other doctors, but were there time when you were
Speaker 1: with us where you had to sort of book out
Speaker 1: of there? There? Definitely. And you know, the way that
Speaker 1: things happen in TV land is very different from the
Speaker 1: the expectations of the way things that happened in every
Speaker 1: other job situation land. Like what was his name, Franklin, Right, Franklin,
Speaker 1: that's it, that's it. Franklin will call me a d.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do our scene with the with Donald H
Speaker 1: at noon. Can you be here at noon? Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: be there at eleven forty five because I like to
Speaker 1: be prompt, and I would get there and at like
Speaker 1: seven at night he'd be like, oh, okay, let's turn around,
Speaker 1: let's start that scene with Donald, And I like, okay,
Speaker 1: I do have to go back to the hospital after this.
Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it's very the timing, the timing was
Speaker 1: very different, obviously, he they you know, things happen on
Speaker 1: the set where you have to do things one way
Speaker 1: or another. But that was a pretty frequent Uh, I'll
Speaker 1: call it a frustration. I'll call it a sentiration. Wait,
Speaker 1: so when we were doing scrubs, you were still doing rounds. Then, yes,
Speaker 1: when we were doing scrubs so early on in the
Speaker 1: first five seasons, I was still a fellow. I was.
Speaker 1: I was a cardiology fellow and a and an EP fellow,
Speaker 1: and so I was constantly run back and forth to
Speaker 1: the set from from the hospital. And it was a
Speaker 1: frenetic life. But it was great. It was such a
Speaker 1: great experience, and the cast and crew were all so
Speaker 1: nice and accommodating. It was really a fun time of life.
Speaker 1: I mean, every time I walked on the set, Zach
Speaker 1: seemed to be riding some new motorized people mover, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, Wow, what a fun job. Why the hell
Speaker 1: aren't we using those in the hospital. Well, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a time I discovered that with my new money,
Speaker 1: I really just wanted to buy different types of electric
Speaker 1: scooters and I would ride them around. Wait before we
Speaker 1: go to break, I just have one more question. Asked.
Speaker 1: It was related to the question that I asked before.
Speaker 1: On the other side of things, though, were your peers
Speaker 1: giving you shit for working on something like Scrubs? Did
Speaker 1: you ever have to hear? Were you ever not bullied?
Speaker 1: But like you know, I mean, wouldn't they think it's badass?
Speaker 1: At first? You know, I don't know. At first, it's
Speaker 1: some show that you're working on, and then when it
Speaker 1: becomes popular, all of a sudden, are you Fonzie at work? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Were you Fronzie? Were you Fonzi at work? John? Did
Speaker 1: you hit kgs and things and the things? Correct? Jo?
Speaker 1: Did you wear did you wear a Scrubs merch down
Speaker 1: the halls? We'll be right back. Wait, we're gonna hold
Speaker 1: that answer and we'll be right back right after this. Okay,
Speaker 1: and we're all right, John? Did you did people think
Speaker 1: you were cool? Or did you hide it from your peers? Well?
Speaker 1: I have to say in the beginning, you know, as
Speaker 1: a as a fellow, there's so much work to be
Speaker 1: done at the hospital, and every time I'd run we're
Speaker 1: on out of there, I'd be like, hey, dude, could
Speaker 1: you like cover this for me? Could you do that?
Speaker 1: And so it started to be a little bit onerous
Speaker 1: on my my co fellows. But then once they realized
Speaker 1: what was happening, they were they were definitely into it.
Speaker 1: And I had a great band of brothers as as
Speaker 1: a fellow and you know, eventually they'd be like, all right,
Speaker 1: we why don't you tell them about this patient? And
Speaker 1: why don't you tell them about my this? And my
Speaker 1: dad and I used to be this, So yeah, it
Speaker 1: became it became a fun thing. Are you the one
Speaker 1: who told Bill about the ass box? About all the
Speaker 1: stuff that the hospitals pull out of people's asses because
Speaker 1: they just like to put things in their assess the
Speaker 1: human things. I think, I think that that every everyone
Speaker 1: who has gone through medical training has has had that
Speaker 1: patient with something. What's the weirdest thing to pull out
Speaker 1: of someone's ass? Why it's okay, John, be honest, what
Speaker 1: have you pulled out of assholes? Well? I, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to make make fun of make fun
Speaker 1: of it. There was someone who came in saying, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a beer bottle in my you know, got a
Speaker 1: beer bottle got stuck? Can you get it out? And um,
Speaker 1: this this I don't want to say this because people
Speaker 1: might get like a like a forty ouncer. Everyone was
Speaker 1: looking at the X ray and they were they were
Speaker 1: betting on what kind of beer it was gonna be. When, guys,
Speaker 1: this is a public service announcement. We have we have
Speaker 1: we have a cardiac surgeon here, a very very very
Speaker 1: smart man. Do not put things that aren't supposed to
Speaker 1: go in your ass in your ass? Are there anything,
Speaker 1: well you can you can put dildos, you know, things
Speaker 1: that are meant a lot of things that can go
Speaker 1: on your bottle. There's butt plugs and did bottle is
Speaker 1: one of them? Stick with John? Is it safe to
Speaker 1: say stick with penises? But plugs and dildos, you know
Speaker 1: as a cardiac and anal beats and anto beats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: any sex approved approved sex toys and penises. But other
Speaker 1: than that might maybe not maybe not a beer bottle. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: One of the best lines in Scrubs history when when
Speaker 1: Cox sees a light bulb in someone's ass and he says,
Speaker 1: either this guy has a light bulb of his ass
Speaker 1: or as Colon has a great idea. Um, John, I
Speaker 1: wanted to tell you, though I don't know if you
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know this that the the AMA has
Speaker 1: come out instead Of all the medical shows, Scrubs was
Speaker 1: the most accurate and that must that must make you back.
Speaker 1: You gotta feel good about that. Yeah, I have definitely
Speaker 1: heard that from from people. And you know, I work
Speaker 1: in Oswald has a huge number of physicians and training.
Speaker 1: Uh and um. You know, as as people come through
Speaker 1: to interview and I'll walk it down the hall, I
Speaker 1: will hear people say, oh, that's the guy, that's the
Speaker 1: guy from Scrubs, and over and over they will say,
Speaker 1: this is what what why I wanted to go to
Speaker 1: medical school because of this show. This is so accurate.
Speaker 1: I've experienced every one of those things, and I think
Speaker 1: the accuracy was most the most the thing that was
Speaker 1: most accurate was the feeling of of of what was
Speaker 1: going on, the emotional anxiety, the emotional roller coaster that
Speaker 1: the residence that you guys were portraying was really the
Speaker 1: thing that was the most real. Yeah. But but but
Speaker 1: you know, people are always amazed because you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of the medical shows are dramas, whereas we
Speaker 1: were about as silly as a comedy could be. But
Speaker 1: Bill's commitment, and I imagine it came from you as well,
Speaker 1: was that when you play the medicine. I wanted all
Speaker 1: to be real. I wanted to be straight, and so
Speaker 1: we can go and have a crazy fantasy where you know,
Speaker 1: the crazy shit you can imagine is happening. But when
Speaker 1: we come back, the medicine itself is all played real
Speaker 1: and straight. Yeah right, yeah, not necessarily, not necessarily the
Speaker 1: circumstances of how the medicine is given, but the medicine
Speaker 1: is always going to be on point. We're not going
Speaker 1: to tell you a lie on you know, this would
Speaker 1: work or this wouldn't work with you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like even with the spinal where the guy got injured
Speaker 1: with his spine and everything like that, and they were
Speaker 1: doing the ice and not fusing the spine, but was
Speaker 1: it water and freezing the spine? Was that what they
Speaker 1: were doing right? And stuff like that. That was an
Speaker 1: experimental thing at the time, and we had to get
Speaker 1: that right because it was something that was that you
Speaker 1: couldn't you can't, you can't be like and this is
Speaker 1: how you healed somebody with a broken back if if
Speaker 1: there wasn't something out there, And I feel like you
Speaker 1: made sure every time it was like that. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: that was a really weird way to get there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: even more than that, I think I think back of
Speaker 1: maybe the episode where all three of the main characters
Speaker 1: or four main characters, sorry, I just belt, you know.
Speaker 1: I want to keep that belt because I want to
Speaker 1: know the reason I'm going to keep it is I
Speaker 1: want everyone to know that even cardiac U. So uh
Speaker 1: you know the episode where where all four of the
Speaker 1: main characters have have someone who dies. Um that in
Speaker 1: a comedy was the most dramatic and heartfelt episode on
Speaker 1: on TV. Your experience, Zach with the the elderly woman
Speaker 1: who chooses to die like that is a huge truth
Speaker 1: in in medicine, people choose to die and it's heartbreaking
Speaker 1: and heart wrenching for you as a physician who gets
Speaker 1: to know them, and maybe you don't necessarily agree with
Speaker 1: their their decision and you're trying to subtly talk them
Speaker 1: out of it, but you also want to you also
Speaker 1: want their decision to be what's driving their autonomy, so
Speaker 1: that that that EPI episode really stands out of my
Speaker 1: mind as what really captured it. Yeah, right, what about
Speaker 1: the emotional connection, Like, how do you if if if
Speaker 1: that's what it is, then how do you make it
Speaker 1: the next day. If you're rooting for someone to survive
Speaker 1: over and over and over again, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you make it back to work again? Like
Speaker 1: that was something that we show in Scrubs. And the
Speaker 1: courage that all of the frontline workers have. There's courage
Speaker 1: that all of the doctors that work in hospitals all
Speaker 1: of that stuff. After witnessing death like that, you know,
Speaker 1: how do you get up or you know, and it's
Speaker 1: not just deathlike you know, someone passes away peacefully, sometimes
Speaker 1: it's violently, sometimes it's kids, sometimes it's so many you know,
Speaker 1: there's so many things. How do you process all of this?
Speaker 1: Close your eyes, go to sleep, wake up and say, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and receive all of this energy again.
Speaker 1: How do you do that? How do how is that?
Speaker 1: It's that that is such a good point, Donald, It
Speaker 1: can be taxing. Um, you know, a couple of things
Speaker 1: come to mind. Obviously, if someone if if you can,
Speaker 1: if you know someone's gonna die and you can help
Speaker 1: them have a dignified death, death with dignity, that's always
Speaker 1: enriching u as sad as it is, as you know,
Speaker 1: at least they had death with dignity. I don't want
Speaker 1: to take your podcast down, you know. Uh, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is exactly what this is the show, This is
Speaker 1: what we want to want, right exactly. Uh. And you
Speaker 1: know my special part of my specialty, I specialize in
Speaker 1: disease of sudden death, and so I have many of
Speaker 1: my patients who die suddenly, you know, like len bias,
Speaker 1: you know, those those types of diseases. Uh. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: there is you do connect with your patients and and
Speaker 1: it can hurt, but um, you know, you try to
Speaker 1: give them death with dignity. If it happens violently or
Speaker 1: suddenly or unexpectedly, it's there. It's their family, it's their
Speaker 1: support system. Uh. That that's really having to deal with that.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know part of it is Donald. This
Speaker 1: is where the dark humor comes from in medicine. That
Speaker 1: that sometimes is portrayed uh um pretty well in scrubs.
Speaker 1: That that you know, we're not making fun of people.
Speaker 1: We're not making fun of their disease or their their
Speaker 1: process that they're going through. We are, as a defense mechanism,
Speaker 1: using this kind of dark humor to exactly what you're saying,
Speaker 1: sort of gird ourselves against this sort of recurrent assault
Speaker 1: on our emotions. Wow, that sounded pretty good. But no,
Speaker 1: that was great. My god. Now you're a you're a natural. Yo.
Speaker 1: Send that straight up to those duds that did the
Speaker 1: that did the he's climbing in your windows. Send that
Speaker 1: to them, Man, they can turn that shit into the
Speaker 1: fiery Max John. Your specialty is the electricity in the heart,
Speaker 1: right correct? Yeah? Etiology? Yeah? Did you ever do heart transplants? Uh?
Speaker 1: In my training, I have seen some heartsmids. I never
Speaker 1: did them physically. What I do in my state, see
Speaker 1: exactly what you do in the They have this thing
Speaker 1: on Reddit called explain it like I'm five, explain it.
Speaker 1: Just explain what you do for everyone as though we're well,
Speaker 1: will say five, as though we're twelve years old. Okay? Uh.
Speaker 1: Cardiac electric physiology. I treat heart rhythm abnormalities, and sometimes
Speaker 1: abnormal heart rhythms can be deadly, and so for those
Speaker 1: I will use catheters in the heart to try to
Speaker 1: redraw the electrical pathways, and if we can't, if someone's
Speaker 1: at risk of dying, I will implant devices in their
Speaker 1: heart that will rescue them if they if they have
Speaker 1: death not deaths. So like bionic heart type. Shit, that's
Speaker 1: a pacemaker. No pacemaker. There are pacemakers, But what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about are what are called defibrillators. Yeah, defibrillator. So
Speaker 1: it's like a defibrillator that like goes into your body
Speaker 1: that you carry around with you. Wow. Is that a
Speaker 1: new technology? Probably since the I mean the first implant
Speaker 1: was probably the late eighties and it's it's gotten better ever,
Speaker 1: saying back when you and Bill were doing blow. So
Speaker 1: I have another question. I have a question too, But
Speaker 1: you know, man, but I'm exciting, fucking real. I know, man,
Speaker 1: but he's talking about hearts now, and I know that
Speaker 1: I had a hard question. You do you? And how
Speaker 1: close are we to freaking artificial hearts? Man? What the
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Where? When is? When can I
Speaker 1: live forever? Man? Like? When can that happen? Like like
Speaker 1: Captain Piccard, what Star treks Nerd? Yeah? All right, John,
Speaker 1: you're showing, you're showing, you're energating. But Donald wants to know.
Speaker 1: Aren't there already artificial hearts? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: You know there are, but they're like but they're not
Speaker 1: the same from what I understand, the artificial hearts that
Speaker 1: are out now, like, are just literally like a tube
Speaker 1: that does I don't get. I don't get why are
Speaker 1: you answering the question for me because you ask yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're like, so, as far as I know, there's
Speaker 1: like a thing as the guy. Yeah, we do have
Speaker 1: we do have mechanical assist devices that help very very
Speaker 1: weak hearts um and uh that can be used us
Speaker 1: as a bridge, that can be used as a bridge
Speaker 1: until we can get a heart transplant. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if there are any motorcycle riders listening, but thank
Speaker 1: you for all of your hearts of Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I gotta say this, I gotta say this, but I
Speaker 1: gotta say this because I was gonna segue to the story.
Speaker 1: But you did it beautifully for me. When I got
Speaker 1: my motorcycle for the first time, I was so excited
Speaker 1: and I met a heart surgeon and I was making
Speaker 1: small talk with him because we were at a thing,
Speaker 1: and I wanted me to say and I was curious.
Speaker 1: I said, explain to me again. I said, like in
Speaker 1: layman's terms, how does how does a heart transplant work?
Speaker 1: I just don't get it, and he goes well. After
Speaker 1: the motorcycle accident, we harvest the heart. And I was
Speaker 1: like what now, and he's like, yeah, we call them
Speaker 1: donor bikes. Is that true? Donor cycle? Yeah? Yeah, donorcycle? Now?
Speaker 1: Is that because they're usually young, healthy men? It's usually
Speaker 1: because the motorcycle accident kills people violently, usually by head
Speaker 1: injury or massive internal bleeding. But the heart is fine.
Speaker 1: And so then if you can get to that that person,
Speaker 1: if there's still living, then you can take them and harvest,
Speaker 1: harvest or organ. How do you harvest that heart? Wait?
Speaker 1: I have a question, how do you harvest the heart?
Speaker 1: Let's say someone's in a really bad accident but they're
Speaker 1: still alive. Is it is it you or someone? I
Speaker 1: mean maybe you're maybe not you specifically these days, but
Speaker 1: someone has to go, hey, this isn't looking good. Would
Speaker 1: you like to donate the heart? Yes? Yes, it's a
Speaker 1: beautiful it's a beautiful, beautiful thing that people do. UM
Speaker 1: I am involved with many of my patients are are
Speaker 1: on the brink of heart transplant. So I do send
Speaker 1: many patients to a heart transplant. And it's a beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful thing that families are very sick people like maybe
Speaker 1: someone who had a catastrophic motorcycle accident and we know
Speaker 1: the ultimate outcome of that person, and that family says, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, let's end it. Now take that heart and
Speaker 1: get it to that A move, moving choice, what a
Speaker 1: powerful choice for that family. Yes, all right, yes it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: We should probably go to break and wait before we do,
Speaker 1: I just want to say I have a BMW ninety
Speaker 1: now for sale. It is a beautiful, beautiful donor cycle
Speaker 1: that will be up on eBay this afternoon. Yes, Donald,
Speaker 1: let's go to go to break and when we come
Speaker 1: back more real. J D. Jez Louison made them on last.
Speaker 1: Sorry sorry if you on last say we gotta get
Speaker 1: it back. Now take that nipple, get it okay? Sorry,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Made them? We have a lot
Speaker 1: of women who tell us they listen to the podcast
Speaker 1: whilst breastfeeding. If we're too loud, would be the baby's unlatch. Now, JD,
Speaker 1: we want us a pivot if it's okay to discuss
Speaker 1: COVID because you are very impressed with your sports terminology
Speaker 1: right there, I guess what did sports terminal? Playing in
Speaker 1: the post? When you're playing in the post, you want
Speaker 1: to be able to, you know, catch the ball, right
Speaker 1: pivot yes, and given be another I'll give you another analogy. Donald.
Speaker 1: If let's say we were doing a normal show and
Speaker 1: then I call an audible and say, hey, guys, now
Speaker 1: I want to talk about COVID. Wow. Well, no, that's
Speaker 1: not that's not exactly what an audible is. An audible
Speaker 1: would be like, all right, we have a play that's
Speaker 1: going right now, Yeah, talking to JD about scrubs ahead right,
Speaker 1: and oh shit, he sees the defense sees the play
Speaker 1: that's coming. Yep, I'm seeing two thousand people die a day. Okay,
Speaker 1: I need to call an audible, right, we should inform
Speaker 1: them so we can get this touchdown? Thank you? Can
Speaker 1: I just can I just say that, Uh, I did
Speaker 1: play basketball with Donald once, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: Donald remembers quite a few times I played bast Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess it was quite nice. So Bill, you know,
Speaker 1: Bill's a huge, huge basketball player, huge basketball fan. He's
Speaker 1: run the same basketball game for twenty five years now.
Speaker 1: Very competitive game, I understand, very competitive games. The most
Speaker 1: dangerous game. I saw this man get his jaw. Was
Speaker 1: it you that got your job? Bill? Had his job dislocated? Dislocated? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you popped it back into place. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: I popped many fingers back into place. Oh that's nice
Speaker 1: if you're there. And and a nose and a nose, right,
Speaker 1: and a nose. Listen. He is so kind, um that
Speaker 1: he lets Yeah, he used to let me play. I
Speaker 1: have I have since retired from basketball. Um, but he
Speaker 1: would let me come and play every Tuesday, knowing that
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing. And sometimes you in
Speaker 1: scrubs two men like you. Uh, And I was horrible.
Speaker 1: I was horrible and everyone knows it. But he was
Speaker 1: so kind. And then Donald would come. He would come
Speaker 1: and I remember this one game, and you may not
Speaker 1: remember this. I remember this one game that the first
Speaker 1: time ever in history, I found myself ahead of a
Speaker 1: breakaway and somebody threw the ball to me, which never happened.
Speaker 1: Somebody threw the ball to me and I just closed
Speaker 1: my eyes and I was running to the back. Threw
Speaker 1: it up and it went in. It went in, and
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, yeah, oh man, that does that breakaway?
Speaker 1: And Donald, I think you said lucky. I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 1: I did not say that. I was known to be
Speaker 1: a dick. When we played Donald, I think I think
Speaker 1: I lost a lot of friends. I think the reason
Speaker 1: why I'm not working more in Hollywood right now is
Speaker 1: because of my basketball problems. Donald Donald Donald, when he
Speaker 1: was playing, would become a different person. He came like, not,
Speaker 1: this is not a joke. This is fucking serious. Well,
Speaker 1: he's the real deal. Like I mean, this was a
Speaker 1: game of actual basketball player nine actual basketball players and
Speaker 1: me and and I mean when Donna played, he was
Speaker 1: this is he was the real deal. We all played.
Speaker 1: I mean, we all played. We all played. I was
Speaker 1: very flashy, but we all played very We all played
Speaker 1: very competitive basketball in that thing. And all right, listen,
Speaker 1: let's segue to Jad. Tell us what your position is
Speaker 1: at Kaiser Permanente, because um Bill Bill said, you're the
Speaker 1: Kelso of which which is I understand it is one
Speaker 1: of the biggest hospitals in Los Angeles. Tell us about
Speaker 1: what you do, right. So I'm at the Kaiser Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Medical Center, which is our quaternary hospital. So this
Speaker 1: is where all of the big specialty UH care occurs.
Speaker 1: So it's a very big hospital, a lot of training
Speaker 1: programs uh and I'm I'm a cardiac electricauseiologists here, but
Speaker 1: I am also an assistant medical director for the for
Speaker 1: the medical center. So yes, I have sort of transitioned
Speaker 1: to a Kelso esque position. Okay, and are you somehow
Speaker 1: or is that just COVID overseeing just come with our
Speaker 1: position or are you on some special COVID team there?
Speaker 1: So right, what comes with the position is we run
Speaker 1: we help run our COVID command center locally. So all
Speaker 1: of all of our hospitals, thirteen hospitals have have COVID
Speaker 1: command centers because there are questions that come up, how
Speaker 1: do we move patients from here today? Or what do
Speaker 1: I do? I have a patient in my office, I
Speaker 1: think they're sick, what do I do with them? And
Speaker 1: so we have to we have to, together with with
Speaker 1: a whole team of logistics experts, figure out how to
Speaker 1: manage this surge of patients that is in some places
Speaker 1: overwhelming the capacity of hospitals. Our currently our hospital is
Speaker 1: is okay, but we are anti dissipating more and more patients.
Speaker 1: So I will put it into context for you. In
Speaker 1: Southern California, for Kaiser, you know, we had about four
Speaker 1: weeks ago had two hundred members who were hospitalized. As
Speaker 1: of yesterday, eight hundred and fifty hospitalized. So I mean
Speaker 1: in four weeks, it's quadruple. So this is not going
Speaker 1: away unless people take it seriously. Unless they use hand hygiene,
Speaker 1: where face coverings avoid congregate settings, social distancing that will
Speaker 1: help mitigate it. And we've seen that happen multiple times
Speaker 1: already since this all started. Back in March. We had
Speaker 1: a spike in March. We instituted these mitigation factors, hand
Speaker 1: hygiene based coverings, social distancing, and we brought the number down. Right,
Speaker 1: that's when everyone started talking about flattening the curve. Right,
Speaker 1: that's not a term that anyone ever used before March, right,
Speaker 1: but now everyone in the grocery store saying, we got
Speaker 1: to flatten the curve. So that worked. Then the summer came,
Speaker 1: we got a little a little complacent, we had another peak,
Speaker 1: we reinstituted, and we again flattened the curve. And now
Speaker 1: it's just everywhere because I think a COVID sort of
Speaker 1: quarantine fatigue. It's out. But is it safe to say
Speaker 1: that in La County it's it's pretty out of control.
Speaker 1: Right now. It is out of control and getting worse.
Speaker 1: The positivity rate is going up. A few months ago,
Speaker 1: it was down around around six, six or seven percent
Speaker 1: it's now up you know, eleven and twelve thirteen percent
Speaker 1: positivity rate. That means the number of case, the number
Speaker 1: of swabs that are being done at testing centers, more
Speaker 1: and more and more are coming back positive. And so
Speaker 1: that's a sign that the are not is increasing, that
Speaker 1: is the effectivity of the of the pandemic is increasing.
Speaker 1: And so we really have to take this seriously. If
Speaker 1: you were in charge, John, if you were the governor, or, say,
Speaker 1: if you were the mayor, Dude, let's not put him
Speaker 1: in a situation where he has to make a decision
Speaker 1: for the political Yeah, I don't want him to. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: we can give well, okay, it was just interested to
Speaker 1: know from a doctor's point of view, if I mean,
Speaker 1: you can answer how you want to answer, John, But
Speaker 1: should we be in a more of a more of
Speaker 1: a lockdown? I mean, England is fully shut down right now,
Speaker 1: That's exactly that's a good question. That's that's exactly what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. And the way that that I
Speaker 1: would answer that, uh, is we really do have to
Speaker 1: take take what other successful countries have done and really
Speaker 1: consider doing that. Look at England, right, look at Japan,
Speaker 1: look at South Korea, they've done amazing work in in
Speaker 1: limiting the spread of this disease because they have huge
Speaker 1: capacity for testing. They locked down, they ask they keep
Speaker 1: social distancing, and so yeah, I mean we we should
Speaker 1: take take that in consideration. I have a question. Okay,
Speaker 1: if they're doing such a good job, though, why is
Speaker 1: everybody locked down again? You know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: like we're talking about every here's Here's what I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I can't we're supposed okay, we're supposed to. But if
Speaker 1: we're supposed to take examples from all of these people,
Speaker 1: all of these other places, everybody's in the same situation
Speaker 1: now we're in I know. But bro, they the government
Speaker 1: told I was in the United Kingdom and the government
Speaker 1: had just told them, okay, great, um, don't need to
Speaker 1: wear a mask outside anymore. Um, you know, relaxed lots
Speaker 1: of things. And I was walking around a crowded food
Speaker 1: market in notting Hill and the only guy wearing a
Speaker 1: mask with hundreds of people. And so it's not their
Speaker 1: fault necessarily. They were told by the government, all right,
Speaker 1: we're good, no masks outside, no matter what. And then
Speaker 1: it rocketed back up, right Jadie, They Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: We're past that message now, though, I think, right aren't we.
Speaker 1: I think America finally has come to the realization, you
Speaker 1: know what's going to work to stop this as masks.
Speaker 1: I think even the mask naysayers are like, all right, look,
Speaker 1: I get it, we need to mask up. This is
Speaker 1: getting out of control. And if they aren't, and if
Speaker 1: they aren't, then there's still I can't speak for everybody,
Speaker 1: but I feel like America's starting to come around to that.
Speaker 1: They're not. They're not not. Even in La Dude, just
Speaker 1: the Saddle Ranch, which is a tourist trap on Sunset Boulevard,
Speaker 1: decided I know what we'll do. We'll just tent our
Speaker 1: parking lot and have however many fucking people they're partying
Speaker 1: that I would drive by it. I would drive by
Speaker 1: it and I just couldn't believe it. Now finally they
Speaker 1: close down out or diving. I think, I think, but
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody, but that's my point. I think.
Speaker 1: I think right now, everybody who was doubting that shit
Speaker 1: is if not now when these numbers come out, and
Speaker 1: hopefully I'm wrong about this and these numbers aren't high,
Speaker 1: and I'm probably gonna be wrong about it. You're wrong,
Speaker 1: but right, But when these Thanksgiving numbers come out, hopefully
Speaker 1: everybody understands what Uh, Jady, will you tell him that
Speaker 1: that's that that after all this text giving travel is
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna see a huge spike for Christmas. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know that, But I'm saying, I'm saying I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. But I'm saying, can we do all
Speaker 1: of this by just wearing mask, washing hands and social distancing?
Speaker 1: Can that's so? Will that solve the problem? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: mean I think something that Fauci talks about is we
Speaker 1: tried to flatten the curve back in in March, April
Speaker 1: and May. Uh, but we never got got down low
Speaker 1: enough to then say all right, partially open would be
Speaker 1: would be wise, Whereas in Europe they were able to
Speaker 1: really drive it down to a very very low, very
Speaker 1: low rate before they then before they then open things
Speaker 1: up a little bit. Um. And So, I mean, we're
Speaker 1: in a bad way right now. It's only getting worse,
Speaker 1: but we'll we'll get through it. Uh. And I would
Speaker 1: be remiss not to mention that we do have some
Speaker 1: vaccines coming. Yes, that's a good sege, that's a good
Speaker 1: pivot of two vaccines because I think the question on
Speaker 1: it has to be on everyone's mind. When will everyone
Speaker 1: get it? Now? As I understand it, there's a minimum
Speaker 1: of three right JD that are that are very exciting,
Speaker 1: of five Zermaderna and another one. Can you tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about again, please don't get smart, uh
Speaker 1: cardiologist on us and say it in layman's terms? When
Speaker 1: when when does the proximate rollout for this? And understanding
Speaker 1: that seniors and frontline workers will get it first. But
Speaker 1: I listen to a podcast the head of warp Speed
Speaker 1: said that he thinks by by May we could start
Speaker 1: reaching herd immunity, which which seemed a little bullish to
Speaker 1: a to a novice like me, But we can you
Speaker 1: talk to talk about vaccines for our audience? I will,
Speaker 1: I will. It's so funny you say that. I just
Speaker 1: want to back one second the writer in the writer's room.
Speaker 1: As I would start to talk about some whatever medical thing,
Speaker 1: I would then get into being mister medical medical ease,
Speaker 1: and the writers would start to make fun of me,
Speaker 1: and so then they started to like make up fake
Speaker 1: JD words and then called and text me and say
Speaker 1: is thrombo flemtesis a real thing. Like, Okay, let's talk
Speaker 1: about vaccines. Yes, m we have two vaccines that are
Speaker 1: being submitted for emergency use authorization. But to the FDA,
Speaker 1: Fiser and Maderna are closest um. They are two dose vaccines,
Speaker 1: meaning you have to get get one dose and then
Speaker 1: three weeks later get a second booster. That might be
Speaker 1: one negative thing about it, but but listen, it's a pandemic.
Speaker 1: You're you're gonna get two shots um. Also as you
Speaker 1: Zennica has also a two shot vaccine that's quite close
Speaker 1: also there to getting emercies authorization. The issue is will
Speaker 1: people take it, will the companies have the capacity to
Speaker 1: make enough, and how will it be distributed? So I
Speaker 1: think there's one more issue that you're forgetting their duck
Speaker 1: and how does it work with people with autoimmune diseases
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So that's a real issue that
Speaker 1: they're not that we haven't been discussing. But like, let's
Speaker 1: say you have an automoimmune disease, Let's say you have HIV,
Speaker 1: Let's say you have something like that. With taking this vaccine,
Speaker 1: how will that affect your body and how will that
Speaker 1: affect you as wrong so that's that's a great question.
Speaker 1: And so for example, the Fiser vaccine is a novel
Speaker 1: type of vaccine that I think you know, what Donald
Speaker 1: is referring to is that some vaccines from the past
Speaker 1: used live viruses as the vector to either deliver the
Speaker 1: vaccine or they were live attenuated viruses of the thing
Speaker 1: you were trying to protect against, so that it couldn't
Speaker 1: infect you, but it was the actual virus. And so
Speaker 1: people who were immuno compromise on chemotherapy, they couldn't take
Speaker 1: those because their immune system wouldn't uh, could get overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: The fires Are virus is what's called an mRNA virus.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to get into the
Speaker 1: keep it. So yeah, so it's a fires Are virus
Speaker 1: is a is a novel virus that that lets the
Speaker 1: body make the protein that are immune system then fights against.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't make the virus. There's nothing contagious about it,
Speaker 1: so it's really safe in that way. Uh and um.
Speaker 1: But again it's it's the two shots and the thing.
Speaker 1: The downside with one of the downsides of the Fiser
Speaker 1: virus is that it has to be shipped and kept
Speaker 1: very very cold and there aren't very many people, very
Speaker 1: many companies that make these freezers that keep things at
Speaker 1: negative ninety four degrees, so that might be one one problem.
Speaker 1: The MODERNA is a similar vaccine, it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be kept as cold. It is also a two shot series.
Speaker 1: And then the astros Eneka is I think people have
Speaker 1: real hopes for for sort of the world in general.
Speaker 1: First for certainly the third third world, because it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be kept cold, um, because that's that would
Speaker 1: be that's a real problem for for countries that wouldn't
Speaker 1: have access to these super freezers and electricity and you
Speaker 1: know all of that. Uh. And so that that might
Speaker 1: and and it's cheaper, so that might be a real
Speaker 1: answer um. In terms of the capacity, what I have heard,
Speaker 1: um is that Fizer said they'll have about thirty to
Speaker 1: forty million doses by the end of the year. That
Speaker 1: means by the end of this month, by the end
Speaker 1: of December. Uh And so again it's a two shot vaccine,
Speaker 1: so that would be enough to cover about twenty million people.
Speaker 1: The government has come out with guidelines on who to
Speaker 1: vaccinate first, second, third, and though, but they are not
Speaker 1: mandating that. They are letting states define that, but in general,
Speaker 1: I think what the rubric that that most states are
Speaker 1: taking is healthcare professionals and the most at risk patients,
Speaker 1: people over sixty five with you know, people with chronic
Speaker 1: health issues, who are transplant patients, who are really really
Speaker 1: at risk for they had outcomes related to COVID infection,
Speaker 1: will be sort of that first wave. And it just
Speaker 1: so happens that if you look at all healthcare professionals
Speaker 1: in the country, UM, physicians, nurses, Elvian's m A, all
Speaker 1: of the all of the healthcare professionals, that's about twenty
Speaker 1: million people. UH and UM. Again, there was a study
Speaker 1: unfortunately recently a question there survey that about sixty percent
Speaker 1: of physicians said they would take it, but that means
Speaker 1: that forty percent wouldn't UH, and only about forty percent
Speaker 1: of nurses said that they would take it. So now
Speaker 1: we have a m I have a dumb question. Wouldn't you,
Speaker 1: as a hospital and you're an administrator, be able to
Speaker 1: say you can't come to work without it? I understand,
Speaker 1: I understand you can't force John Q citizen to take
Speaker 1: a vaccine, But if you, if you're an administration, you say,
Speaker 1: if you want to work here, as as a medical
Speaker 1: personnel you have to be is that isn't that possible? Right? Right?
Speaker 1: Making it a stipulation of employment is something that is
Speaker 1: being discussed. Now. Again, we are a very union union
Speaker 1: heavy states. Uh so that's that's going to be a
Speaker 1: political that's going to be a political issue, whether you
Speaker 1: can make it a stipulation of employment. Well, but you know,
Speaker 1: people have questions when it comes to this. You know,
Speaker 1: they're talking about how it's ninety percent effective and everything
Speaker 1: like that, but what else is it? What else does
Speaker 1: it do? Like I'm making a joke here, but will
Speaker 1: my kids grow? You know what I mean? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: they go through puberty if they take the vaccine, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, there's a bunch of things.
Speaker 1: I'm a forty six year old man. If I get
Speaker 1: the vaccine, will I live to be eighty still? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? I mean not that that's not
Speaker 1: that that's a possibility. I mean, well, I think it's good, Donald,
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, Like, there's so many
Speaker 1: things that what's the long term effect when it comes
Speaker 1: to this. Yeah, Donald brings up I think an important
Speaker 1: thing that's an elephant in the room that we have
Speaker 1: to address that a lot of people are understandably concerned,
Speaker 1: not even anti vaxx or people who are just like
Speaker 1: you guys sped through this thing and you made it.
Speaker 1: And of course we we at least on this podcast
Speaker 1: trust scientists and we but you know, you have to
Speaker 1: be a bit naive to not go Is this okay? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: for sure. It's a great point. And I think that
Speaker 1: that people have had fears of vaccines going all the
Speaker 1: way back. Um, I will put one thing into context.
Speaker 1: So for example that I do want to make a
Speaker 1: pitch for getting your flu shot this year the flu vaccine,
Speaker 1: and I'll use that as a as as an example.
Speaker 1: So some people say the same, you know, have the
Speaker 1: same reservation about about the flu vaccine. Um, it's a
Speaker 1: different vaccine. I understand that, But listen, if the flu
Speaker 1: vaccine had some weird, crazy side effects. In the last
Speaker 1: ten years, we've given one point eight billion doses of
Speaker 1: flu vaccine, one point eight billion doses of flu vaccine,
Speaker 1: and we haven't seen any weird, crazy side facing. It's
Speaker 1: a safe vaccine. It's been around for a while, so
Speaker 1: like the science is there that it still works. This
Speaker 1: is something that's only been around for literally two months
Speaker 1: a month and not even a month. It's not even
Speaker 1: out yet, right, how do we how do we trust that? Right?
Speaker 1: You make? You make a really good point. I'm going
Speaker 1: to get a little a little science here. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So the flu vaccine has uh, four different strains of
Speaker 1: proteins that are specific to four different strains of influenza virus.
Speaker 1: It's not the virus itself, it can't give you influenza,
Speaker 1: but those proteins are then injected into their body and
Speaker 1: your body makes immunity to those proteins, so that when
Speaker 1: a virus, when influenza virus goes in there, it has
Speaker 1: that protein, your immune system can get it. That's how
Speaker 1: standard of vaccinations work. So this is similar to that.
Speaker 1: The visor vaccine has your body create that little piece
Speaker 1: of protein and then your your immune system creates memory
Speaker 1: so that if in fact a covid virus particle gets
Speaker 1: in there, it already recognizes it and it keeps you
Speaker 1: keeps it from overwhelming the body. So, yes, influenza vaccine
Speaker 1: has been around for a long time. It's not exactly
Speaker 1: the same vaccine that the same virus from nineteen eighteen pandemic. However,
Speaker 1: it's the same idea. It's the same idea, so thanks
Speaker 1: for bringing that up. But in terms of safety of vaccination,
Speaker 1: we know that vaccination is safe. Yes, this is new,
Speaker 1: so I understand everyone has has a concern of long
Speaker 1: term safety because all you know, Visor had about forty
Speaker 1: five thousand patients, Moderna had about thirty five thousand patients.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a fairly small sample size in terms
Speaker 1: of the world, but it's a good sample size for
Speaker 1: a study for a vaccine study, and there had not
Speaker 1: been any safety concerns. Really, am I correct? You're saying
Speaker 1: something I didn't fully digest, and correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: That it's the same concept as the flu vaccine, just
Speaker 1: with different things because it's covid. It's the same concept, yes,
Speaker 1: that the vaccine works in that in the flu vaccine,
Speaker 1: we give you a piece of a protein that's on
Speaker 1: the influenza virus, and your body recognizes that protein. Now
Speaker 1: it has memory for that, and so when an actual
Speaker 1: influenza gets in, it sees that protein and it attacks
Speaker 1: the virus. The same idea for vaccination for COVID. There
Speaker 1: are some candidate vaccines that just inject the little spike
Speaker 1: protein into you, doing the same thing as influenza. This
Speaker 1: new mRNA type virus, this novel type virus that MODERNA
Speaker 1: and FISA are using, sort of take it one step,
Speaker 1: one step back, and it says, we don't have to
Speaker 1: wait to make, you know, get that protein. We can
Speaker 1: have the person's body make the protein. So they inject
Speaker 1: the little piece of what's called messenger RNA and our
Speaker 1: own cells create that protein. Now our immune system recognizes it,
Speaker 1: so when COVID comes in, so it's the same thing,
Speaker 1: just one step back. That's a little sciency for people.
Speaker 1: So sorry about okay, but now if you have an
Speaker 1: autoimmune system, I know we kind of covered this, but
Speaker 1: is that a dangerous situation for someone with an autoimmune
Speaker 1: disease or someone with something that's similar to that, Right,
Speaker 1: So that's a really good point Donald. So, say, for example,
Speaker 1: someone is on chemotherapy and their immune system is really
Speaker 1: quite quite weak. Sometimes they have trouble mounting a good
Speaker 1: immune immune response in order to establish memory. In fact,
Speaker 1: for those patients when they come and get the flu shot,
Speaker 1: we give them an extra big dose of it so
Speaker 1: that their body can really try to try to make it.
Speaker 1: So we'll have to see how that works in those patients.
Speaker 1: I do not believe that immunocompromise patients that you're talking about.
Speaker 1: We're part of these studies, and so it's a really
Speaker 1: really good point, Donald, because we are we're you know,
Speaker 1: extending sort of making the assumption that is going to
Speaker 1: work for everyone, but it might not work, say for
Speaker 1: someone who has uncontrolled HIV and their immune system isn't working,
Speaker 1: or on chemotherapy or something like that. All right, So JD,
Speaker 1: let me ask you something, or as we call you,
Speaker 1: John real JD. You know, I when I when I
Speaker 1: went in my phone to text you to come on
Speaker 1: the show, I noticed for the first time, and I
Speaker 1: haven't texted you in many years, but I noticed for
Speaker 1: the first time that you were in my phone as
Speaker 1: John Dorian and not making a joke. I literally just
Speaker 1: put you in my phone as John. Well. I remember
Speaker 1: that you even truncated I don't know what season it
Speaker 1: was that I remember you started calling me real JD
Speaker 1: on the set or pretty early on, and then you
Speaker 1: just truncated it to Real. It just eliminated my name entirely.
Speaker 1: Shaw calls you real all the time. All right. So,
Speaker 1: so last major question a couple more. MA. I'm sorry, dude,
Speaker 1: but I just want to make sure we touched that,
Speaker 1: like correct vitamins and stuff like that, like vitamin like
Speaker 1: zinc and stuff like that. Are things like that effective
Speaker 1: against this virus like zinc vitamin d uh? You know? Right,
Speaker 1: so early on, early on Donald, you know, people were
Speaker 1: in a panic, uh, and they were grasping at straws
Speaker 1: and they would someone would say zinc works or chlorox works.
Speaker 1: And our president would say shovel light and your button
Speaker 1: not will work right and so right, and so they
Speaker 1: really glombed onto any trying. By the way, yeah, I
Speaker 1: have a beer bottle. I didn't use the I just
Speaker 1: I have a small table lamp and it felt nice,
Speaker 1: but I didn't feel it. I didn't feel it immuniti
Speaker 1: But there have been some studies about vitamin supplements. There
Speaker 1: have been studies of medicine medication called roomdesseverere. There have
Speaker 1: been some some studies of some different things. Nothing has
Speaker 1: really really come out. It's really just supportive care for
Speaker 1: for people. Um. There there are are some ongoing studies
Speaker 1: about monoclonal antibodies, which are a way of passive immunity,
Speaker 1: that is, your body makes antibodies to fight viruses. Well,
Speaker 1: the thought is, why don't we give antibodies that are
Speaker 1: already made to people who have the virus already. That's
Speaker 1: called using monoclonal antibodies. That's that regineron right, that's yeah, yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: and so that's under that's under investigation as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there are there are some some things under investigation.
Speaker 1: But the vaccine, let's cut to the chase. If I'm
Speaker 1: a listener on this audience, and I'm not a senior
Speaker 1: over sixty five, and I'm not an essential worker, and
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor, and I'm not in a nursing home, um,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a forty five year old. For example, You're
Speaker 1: probably thinking, um, what when when roughly, if things go well,
Speaker 1: when roughly might I have access to a vaccine? But
Speaker 1: I know that I know that the head of warp
Speaker 1: Speed said, may Ish, I wondered if you thought that
Speaker 1: was real or two bullish? What are your thoughts? I
Speaker 1: think that I think that that they're getting that from
Speaker 1: from the manufacturers who were saying we can have this
Speaker 1: many by the end of the year, we can have
Speaker 1: this many by you know, the first quarter, and we
Speaker 1: can have this many by the summer, uh and uh
Speaker 1: you know by the end of twenty twenty one, they're
Speaker 1: talking about having over a billion, over a billion UH doses.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I think that that he that they
Speaker 1: are they are taking that extrapolating it to about May
Speaker 1: is when they would initiate sort of the phase three.
Speaker 1: So phase one or is whom we talked about. Phase
Speaker 1: two would be essential workers, firemen, policeman, teachers, you know that,
Speaker 1: and then the population that you were just referring to,
Speaker 1: Zach would be sort of the last uh big population
Speaker 1: and they would start to get the immunites around May.
Speaker 1: That's what I heard, the same, the same, the same estimate. Okay.
Speaker 1: One last question, if you have if you have the vaccine,
Speaker 1: can you still spread the virus? Okay, Donald, That's a
Speaker 1: really good question, and it's something that we don't know
Speaker 1: exactly because the data that came back from the studies
Speaker 1: from Fizer and Moderna said, look, we are ninety five
Speaker 1: percent effective at preventing someone from getting sick from COVID UH,
Speaker 1: And it did not study, it did not look at
Speaker 1: whether someone who is vaccinated could still be an asymptomatic carrier.
Speaker 1: How can we talk about her immunity if we can't
Speaker 1: guarantee that this is something that can't spread after of yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have have an answer for that
Speaker 1: because I don't think that was studied. I don't know
Speaker 1: if everyone understands what her community is um. The idea
Speaker 1: of heard community is once about seventy percent of a
Speaker 1: population is resistant to a virus, then the virus has
Speaker 1: a hard time finding its next victim, and it then
Speaker 1: is unable to continue its infections and it's sort of
Speaker 1: it peters out at that point. We have never had
Speaker 1: natural herd immunity, So I know that people have heard
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the pandemic they said, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Sweden is going for natural immunity. They're just telling everyone
Speaker 1: to go out and do their thing and get sick
Speaker 1: and we'll wait for natural herd immunity. Humans have never
Speaker 1: there's no example that I know of that humans have
Speaker 1: achieved natural herd immunity. The only herd immunity that we've
Speaker 1: ever ever achieved is through vaccination. So that's why smallpox
Speaker 1: is no longer in a problem, because we created herd
Speaker 1: immunity and it's now extincted. That just sounds like it
Speaker 1: just sounds like the Hunger Games. Man. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: actual herd immunity. What does that mean? What does that mean?
Speaker 1: We're just gonna let everybody get together and the survival
Speaker 1: of the fittest, right, right, all right, right, Lastly, JD,
Speaker 1: I just wanted you to tell everyone that because I
Speaker 1: had heard this, but they won't. They should hear from
Speaker 1: a real doctor, not a fake doctor, that the vaccines
Speaker 1: are just kind of gonna be you get which what's available, right,
Speaker 1: because people shouldn't start to go to their doctrine like no,
Speaker 1: I want, Maderna, I want because it's not gonna be
Speaker 1: like that. Right, You're gonna get it at your your
Speaker 1: righted or your Walgreens, just like you with the flu shot,
Speaker 1: I'm told. But but you're just gonna get the one
Speaker 1: that happens to be available. You're not gonna able to
Speaker 1: select it. Correct. I think in general that's probably true
Speaker 1: because we're certainly in the beginning there's going to be
Speaker 1: such a limited number of doses. We're really going to
Speaker 1: have to have to be careful about who is getting it,
Speaker 1: who we're giving it to. Uh. And then eventually, if
Speaker 1: you know, vaccinating the entire population of the world, that
Speaker 1: is a huge undertaking. And like you said, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be who whatever we can can up manufacture enough to
Speaker 1: start to start giving out, and it's gonna be whatever
Speaker 1: whatever countries can get their hands on. Nations are already bidding. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's bidding wars for for guaranteed numbers of doses, and
Speaker 1: so it's just whatever whatever the countries get. What month
Speaker 1: would you guess that you and Dolly could safely, with
Speaker 1: no concerns go to the movies? Oh, well, we're we're
Speaker 1: being pretty careful. We're being pretty careful. Okay, let's say
Speaker 1: a typical cautious cardiologist and his beautiful wife. Yes, when
Speaker 1: would you When would you go to the movie theater
Speaker 1: and be like, I have no concerns? Oh boy? Uh,
Speaker 1: I would say fourth quarter twenty twenty one, first quarter
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Oh, Donald, what about all our Blockbuster
Speaker 1: You heard it here? First people settle into Netflix? Go ahead? Hey, uh, so,
Speaker 1: let's say you've had COVID already. Do you still recommend
Speaker 1: getting the getting the good question? Donald? Your best question? Fire?
Speaker 1: You know why he's on fire? By the way, not
Speaker 1: to not to. He finally fucking did his homework. He
Speaker 1: did no homework for this for your interviews, and he's
Speaker 1: ever done for anybody else. I want you to know,
Speaker 1: it's a really excellent question that again was not studied
Speaker 1: UH in in any of the in any of the
Speaker 1: UH studies, because those patients had were checked to see
Speaker 1: if they had UH, if they already have immunity or
Speaker 1: already have antibodies in their blood, and so um, we
Speaker 1: don't know what that is. I would suspect, you know,
Speaker 1: I really do advocate for the flu shot. I want
Speaker 1: every listener to go get the flu shot, even if
Speaker 1: you think you've had the flu already. There are multiple
Speaker 1: strains of influenza, and so like the COVID vaccine, the
Speaker 1: influenza vaccine has protects you against four strains. And for
Speaker 1: every year, we get a peak of influenza A and
Speaker 1: then a peak of influenza B, and so if you've
Speaker 1: had A, you can still get B. And so we
Speaker 1: always tell people, even if you've had influenza, get your
Speaker 1: flu shot every year, and this year especially, I just
Speaker 1: want to warn everyone there is some data out of
Speaker 1: China that coinfection does happen. If you can get your kid,
Speaker 1: can come home from whatever they're doing, congregate whatever they're doing,
Speaker 1: and give you influenza your job, you can get COVID,
Speaker 1: and you can be infected together. Coinfection has a much, much,
Speaker 1: much worse outcome than just a single infection with either one.
Speaker 1: So we already have a vaccine for one of them.
Speaker 1: Go get your flu shot. You just mentioned something you
Speaker 1: talked about kids and everything like that. So we in
Speaker 1: California kids are still allowed to meet up and go
Speaker 1: play and stuff like that. I'm told that they don't
Speaker 1: get sick from the virus, but they can still contract
Speaker 1: the virus and pass it on to us. So why
Speaker 1: are we still allowing I mean, I personally for my
Speaker 1: kids mental health. I'm willing I get it. I'm willing
Speaker 1: to risk all right, I could die. This is something
Speaker 1: that's that could happen. It's very scary. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: lie to you. This is something that I freaking have
Speaker 1: nightmares about often sending my kid back to school and
Speaker 1: him or her coming home with the virus and giving
Speaker 1: it to myself, my wife, or my other children and
Speaker 1: one of us being the you know, the majority, not
Speaker 1: the majority the minority in America right now that perishes
Speaker 1: or it gets very very very very sick. So, like, one,
Speaker 1: why is it that we're still saying, okay, let the kids.
Speaker 1: I think it's because peace of mind and letting the
Speaker 1: kids mental health grow and you know, sack fighting yourself
Speaker 1: for the future and everything. You know. It's so I
Speaker 1: believe that you you know what I mean. But we're
Speaker 1: talking about masks and everything like that. But we're you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just we're letting the kids play sports.
Speaker 1: We're letting the kids do all types of things. Are
Speaker 1: we are we playing an answer? It's it's a really
Speaker 1: it's a really great point. Uh, And I will tell you.
Speaker 1: I just want to put it into context. And again,
Speaker 1: influenza is a great prototype that people understand because we
Speaker 1: we we go through an epidemic of influenza every year.
Speaker 1: We know that kids are the super spreaders of influenza.
Speaker 1: We know that they get it and spread it at
Speaker 1: school and bring it home, bring it home to their families.
Speaker 1: For some reason, and I do not know the answer why,
Speaker 1: it is felt that maybe they are not as much
Speaker 1: super spreaders of COVID And there are all sorts of
Speaker 1: theories why they don't have as much ACE two receptors
Speaker 1: or whatnot. I was gonna say, I was gonna say
Speaker 1: it might be the AH two receptors. Yeah, but uh,
Speaker 1: and they they tend to do well in terms and
Speaker 1: if they do get sick, they tend not to be
Speaker 1: the ones who have severe illness. That is not to
Speaker 1: say that we have not had children with severe illness,
Speaker 1: children with multiple you know, miscum multiple organ inflammatory diseases
Speaker 1: after much like um Kawasaki's disease. It's not to say
Speaker 1: that that all kids are immune to it, and we
Speaker 1: know that teenagers are more like adults. So I'm a
Speaker 1: little bit confused about our attitude towards it because we
Speaker 1: know that teenagers get it, we know that they get sick,
Speaker 1: and we know that they spread it, and so we
Speaker 1: can't generalize them into the same category as quote unquote kids.
Speaker 1: So when when what's the cutoff point that roughly that
Speaker 1: we kids to team. Yeah, I think they talk about teenagers,
Speaker 1: so anywhere over twelve or or or thirteen, you know,
Speaker 1: the Fier the Fiser study studied kids over twelve, So kids,
Speaker 1: are your kids in are your kids in school? Are
Speaker 1: you home learning. No kids are on zoom school. Uh,
Speaker 1: they're on lockdown. But you know, now I don't know
Speaker 1: the right answer. I think that you bring up a
Speaker 1: huge important point, and that is that the mental health,
Speaker 1: the development of kids, the education of kids, the tech
Speaker 1: inequity of kids, the food inequity in our in our society,
Speaker 1: that some kids are really suffering. So it's a huge problem.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you amen. So, but it really is
Speaker 1: important that that there are other psychosocial advantages of kids
Speaker 1: being back in school or back together, back congregated, and
Speaker 1: we have to find a way. We have to find
Speaker 1: a way to do that. Uh. And I don't have
Speaker 1: an answer on that note. I want to thank you
Speaker 1: so much because this, seriously, this has been incredibly informative.
Speaker 1: We had the fun of talking about your involvement with
Speaker 1: the show, and it was just so so helpful that
Speaker 1: you we have someone who's so knowledgeable about about all
Speaker 1: these things. And I really really want to thank you
Speaker 1: for your time because I know that you're a busy man. Well,
Speaker 1: I just want to thank you guys. You know, this
Speaker 1: was so fun for me. I was so excited and
Speaker 1: I really didn't sleep well last night because I was nervous,
Speaker 1: but I love the fact that you're like heading the
Speaker 1: COVID response Kaiser Permanente and you didn't sleep because of
Speaker 1: coming on our stupid podcast. You know what, Joelle, we
Speaker 1: might have to send him one of these onesies. Now, Doc,
Speaker 1: would you wear a onesie like this? I was wondering
Speaker 1: what is I would definitely wear that. This is an
Speaker 1: official fake Doctor's real friends onesie, and I think that
Speaker 1: Jowell will make sure we gift you one as if
Speaker 1: thank you gift coming on the show. We can warn you,
Speaker 1: but let's get him an Excel because if you if
Speaker 1: you get a large, it's a little small duck is
Speaker 1: you can see. I don't know if this is a
Speaker 1: medical term, but I have a moose number. That is
Speaker 1: not what I wanted to see today. Okay, well, I
Speaker 1: just want to thank you guys. I always had so
Speaker 1: much fun with you guys on the set, and this
Speaker 1: is so great that that I was able to come
Speaker 1: on here. I will call you any back. We'd love
Speaker 1: to have you back. I'll come on anytime, Joel. Let's
Speaker 1: pick an episode that um that has a has a
Speaker 1: complicated medical thing that might confer with our podcast owner
Speaker 1: Bill let don't want to start with that joke. It's
Speaker 1: not funny. I can't believe she just said that. I know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I could cry, like they're welling, but
Speaker 1: they're not. They're not yet. I will focus on something
Speaker 1: that has to do it, like the heart, so he
Speaker 1: can get deep into matters of the heart, and and
Speaker 1: and and and what do you call him? Donor cycles?
Speaker 1: That's right. I will tell you that that Bill Bill
Speaker 1: said to me last night. If they're being mean, just
Speaker 1: text me and I will call in on that show.
Speaker 1: You never mean. We love our guests, we love our fans. Hey, listeners,
Speaker 1: we hope this was informative. This is not a political thing.
Speaker 1: I know some of you get upset when don like
Speaker 1: it political. This is not political. This is about keeping
Speaker 1: everyone safe, and believe it or not, we genuinely care
Speaker 1: about your health and you're the well being of you
Speaker 1: and your family. And I'm just so lucky. We feel
Speaker 1: so lucky that we had John here to impart some wisdom.
Speaker 1: So John, we do a thing here on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Have you ever listened to the podcast before? It's okay
Speaker 1: if you have and you're a busy man. I listened
Speaker 1: last night for the first time. Okay, good, So, as
Speaker 1: you know, we count out like a count into a song,
Speaker 1: five six seven eight, would you do us the honor
Speaker 1: of counting out and do our into our ending song.
Speaker 1: Wait before we get into that, I just want everybody
Speaker 1: out there to no, I don't think we're deaf and
Speaker 1: we don't understand that, you know, the importance of money
Speaker 1: and the importance of the economy and everything like that.
Speaker 1: I know we were very COVID heavy in this and
Speaker 1: we didn't necessarily get into the other side of things
Speaker 1: on why you know what America, what other Americans feel
Speaker 1: like they need out there. But I will say this, John,
Speaker 1: when we started this show, we wanted the theme song
Speaker 1: to be like loved by everyone. So when you say
Speaker 1: five six seven eight today, you have to come at
Speaker 1: it with some like uh energy that you know. It
Speaker 1: has to be real energy. It can't just be some
Speaker 1: timid I didn't sleep last night because I was nervous
Speaker 1: about coming on to the podcast. Energy. I gotta come
Speaker 1: with it with. It needs the energy of nurse. Get
Speaker 1: the fucking crash card in here now right. It needs
Speaker 1: that means he's coding. Yeah, it needs the code blue
Speaker 1: sprinting to your third code. It needs like the exact
Speaker 1: it needs what you're the executive, the co executive, what
Speaker 1: it is, chief of medicine, whatever, it needs that type
Speaker 1: of energy, the co chief. It needs that co chief
Speaker 1: energy when you're talking to your interns, when you're teaching
Speaker 1: your interns. Okay, are you ready, John Fox six seven
Speaker 1: eight type of thing though, Remember it's like DeBie Allenie
Speaker 1: Allen rhythm, you're ready ready. Stories about Shure we made
Speaker 1: about a bunch of doctor nurses and said he's the stories.
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