Speaker 1: I missed you, girl. Girl, let me tell you something
Speaker 1: I missed you too. Look at that tricept though. You
Speaker 1: like that? Yeah, I mean for a guy that doesn't
Speaker 1: even lift anymore, you've got a nice try try I
Speaker 1: left a little bit. I left a little bit. Now.
Speaker 1: You said you're just doing Pelton, but you're not like
Speaker 1: curling iron. Oh No, I got a couple of weights
Speaker 1: that I curl every now and then, just to you know,
Speaker 1: keep my ship quick. Oh. I just thought you were
Speaker 1: doing you were on a you were on a quarantine
Speaker 1: trip where you were just like Cardio nothing else. No,
Speaker 1: I thought you were about to say carbs and nothing else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm doing that too though. By the way, a lot
Speaker 1: of love, a lot of love for the first animation
Speaker 1: we put out. I love it. I love it, and
Speaker 1: it's so funny. It's only thirty seconds, but I've watched
Speaker 1: it like nine hundred times. Yeah, it's like when we
Speaker 1: first heard the when we first heard the theme song.
Speaker 1: Remember how crazy we were going to put the theme
Speaker 1: song when we first started. For those of you don't know,
Speaker 1: um this company, Cartoon Radio is an animation company in Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: and they did an animation of of moment of Donald
Speaker 1: and are my podcast of this podcast, and um, they
Speaker 1: just you know, tagged us on Instagram and we thought
Speaker 1: it was so funny. We hit them up and said,
Speaker 1: you know, can we work out a situation where we'll
Speaker 1: obviously pay you, but when you do like some quick
Speaker 1: little thirty second moments from the podcast. And they thought
Speaker 1: that was awesome, and so now we were starting to
Speaker 1: roll some of them out. In the first one we
Speaker 1: just put on our Instagram today although this was this
Speaker 1: was this will be like this will be like a week.
Speaker 1: But anyway, they did the moment with Donald giving Jeff
Speaker 1: Zucker noogies and the animation is so funny. Dude, your
Speaker 1: eyes are all fun blood shot dude. Like they knew
Speaker 1: I smoked that ship and they knew I drank that
Speaker 1: ship that night. Well, we did talk about how we were, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I didn't talk about how I smoked that ship.
Speaker 1: Like when you when you drink, your eyes don't get
Speaker 1: red like that. But you know what they got Maybe
Speaker 1: they're listening and they got because another episode I mentioned
Speaker 1: how when you're hammered, you like this this what do
Speaker 1: you call this? When you do this? It's a hot step.
Speaker 1: I got that ship from you though, dude, right anyway,
Speaker 1: just a drunk high step. And then when they in
Speaker 1: the animation when you're headed over to Zuker, you're like,
Speaker 1: get over. That is Hilarious's funny out and what I
Speaker 1: love about On Instagram, I'm sure they're doing it on yours.
Speaker 1: Two people are like saying, Oh, you gotta do this moment,
Speaker 1: or you gotta do the washcloth to be you gotta
Speaker 1: do this. They are doing that. What's crazy? Is it?
Speaker 1: I think you need to tell each and every one
Speaker 1: of your followers that you demand that they follow me
Speaker 1: or funk off, because I wouldn't. I don't listen. I
Speaker 1: look at what your numbers are, and I look at
Speaker 1: what my numbers are on Instagram, And I gotta be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I'm a little jealous, dude, Like little
Speaker 1: you're assuming that they're all scrubs. Folks, there might be
Speaker 1: some people that love Garden State and uh and and
Speaker 1: so where are my clueless people? At? Where am I
Speaker 1: remember that titens people at? Where are my mother fucking
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, where my mother fucking waiting
Speaker 1: to exhale? People at where my car? Some people at
Speaker 1: where my tripping people at where my listen, I'll put
Speaker 1: it out there man, because where they need to represent
Speaker 1: your homies Spimoni people Spemoni, where are my next day?
Speaker 1: And people at Yo? Come on now, homies. Spioni is
Speaker 1: a film that Donald made. Um. It's basically the plot
Speaker 1: of the Jerk, except instead of a white baby being
Speaker 1: dropped off at a black family's home, Donald's a black
Speaker 1: baby that's dropped off at an Italian family's home. Right,
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, I'm not even dropped off. They literally
Speaker 1: kidnapped me pretty much, the nap. Yeah. They find me
Speaker 1: floating in the river in Italy and the mom kidnaps
Speaker 1: me like like Moses. Uh well yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 1: But Moses was you know when Moses put in the
Speaker 1: basket and yeah, trying to escape. Yes, the do I
Speaker 1: have my old Testament? Right? Um? Didn't they put Moses's wife? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Moses and then Pharaoh's wife found her found I went
Speaker 1: to Hebrew school. Now, Donald, I have a question for you,
Speaker 1: Homie s Pimoni. For those of you don't know Whoopi
Speaker 1: Goldberg and the Great Paul, the Great Paul Mooney, Now
Speaker 1: do you do an Italian New York accent. Right, give
Speaker 1: us you want to hear a sample of my This
Speaker 1: is the character right, listener right, My name's Renato, right,
Speaker 1: and this is how we do things where I'm from. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's very simple. It's almost like a New York accent too.
Speaker 1: It's like a York you know, I've seen a lot.
Speaker 1: It was a lot thicker back in the day when
Speaker 1: I was doing it. It was so hard like it
Speaker 1: was thick, you know. Um. Jamie Lynn Siegler, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: she was my love interest on it. She's like, you
Speaker 1: sound like the guys I grew up with. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: a compliment because it was a compliment. I think she's
Speaker 1: a Jersey girl, is she? I don't know that. They
Speaker 1: got a lot of Italians in Jersey. Listen. I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you something. I've never seen that movie. But if you, dude,
Speaker 1: you've never seen anything I've been I've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of bullshit. Man. I remember I showed you fucking remember
Speaker 1: the time I was like you just watch remember the
Speaker 1: Titans on the plane. You got halfway through it and
Speaker 1: you were like, I mean, it's cool, that's not a
Speaker 1: true story. That's not a true story. I'm gonna watch
Speaker 1: that film because I know how much people love it,
Speaker 1: and I love Denzel Um, I love so you've never
Speaker 1: seen remember the Titans. I have never seen Remember the Titans. See,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about, right there, guy. But you
Speaker 1: didn't read the Garden State script, so off. But I
Speaker 1: saw the Garden State script and you don't even didn't
Speaker 1: even hold the script in your hand. Yeah did I?
Speaker 1: I said, I would like you to read this. Then
Speaker 1: you said, are there any black people in it? And
Speaker 1: I said there's two, but you're not right for them.
Speaker 1: And I already cast method man and you said that
Speaker 1: I'm not That's right, that is true. But I will
Speaker 1: tell you this, what dick? What a dick, dude, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna watch remember the title. You know I'm gonna watch
Speaker 1: it tonight. We're looking for a movie for tonight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: please do all right, I'm telling you right now, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna lay it down. IM gonna lay down the law.
Speaker 1: You know, kick Ass two people at you know where
Speaker 1: y'all at? Kick Ass two? If you Donald's and kicks?
Speaker 1: Donald is now talking about Donald? Oh you're circling back
Speaker 1: to Instagram. Well, Donald, I I'm sorry that you're upset
Speaker 1: about this, but the good not upset. I'm just a
Speaker 1: little jealous. Well, I think that you should give some
Speaker 1: love to the people that are following you and so
Speaker 1: they don't feel like what we won't We don't matter
Speaker 1: to you, Donald, No, they definitely matter. You people that
Speaker 1: are following me right now, I love you. I love you. Yes,
Speaker 1: you are special to me, and we together are building
Speaker 1: a great foundation and UH and institution. What is necessary
Speaker 1: right now is for you to tell your friends that
Speaker 1: six hundred thousand isn't enough. Tell your friends, tell your wife. Listen.
Speaker 1: Today is a very special episode of this show because
Speaker 1: today's the first time we're having on as our guest,
Speaker 1: someone who was not on the show, um, someone who
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the show, but I wanted
Speaker 1: to have him on. We wanted to have him on
Speaker 1: because he's an incredible writer and amongst many things that
Speaker 1: he's written, he's written a self published book about Scrubs
Speaker 1: that I'm going to promote many many times. It's called
Speaker 1: where do You Think We Are? And it's ten illustrated
Speaker 1: essays about Scrubs and was written by Cheeserrano and it
Speaker 1: was illustrated by our too Torres, and it is really awesome,
Speaker 1: and he is. I don't know how well you know
Speaker 1: Shade Donald. We'll get We're gonna get him on before
Speaker 1: you tell me anything about how you well you know him,
Speaker 1: But I follow him on Twitter and he's very entertaining.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know him well before get
Speaker 1: into that seven stories about show we made about a
Speaker 1: bunch of nurses stories sound around here as wait for it.
Speaker 1: There he is, wait fresh cutting, everything is fresh. The
Speaker 1: oh man. It's so nice to finally meet you. I
Speaker 1: am I am like one of your one of your
Speaker 1: many many Twitter followers, and I feel like I know you.
Speaker 1: But it's so nice to finally Yeah, I'm excited. I'm
Speaker 1: really excited to be here. I've been I've been waiting
Speaker 1: on hold since twelve in the afternoon for three hours now.
Speaker 1: Just I don't want I don't want to miss it.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to miss this one. You know, you've
Speaker 1: been sitting there. You've been sitting there. We didn't put
Speaker 1: you on hold. You just this was like a self
Speaker 1: proclaimed hole. Yes, he want he didn't want to funk
Speaker 1: up Donald. So he's been sitting there with his mike.
Speaker 1: Now s before you say anything, I gotta tell you.
Speaker 1: I was doing research for the show on you because
Speaker 1: I know you for being very popular on Twitter. I
Speaker 1: encourage you to follow sha and we'll get his handle
Speaker 1: out before the show ends. But he I'm reading all
Speaker 1: about you and your career is amazing. But I started
Speaker 1: reading like he wrote, uh this. The second book was
Speaker 1: called the Rap Yearbook, the most important rap song from
Speaker 1: every year since nine. Then he's got another book called
Speaker 1: Basketball and Other Things that Obama said was one of
Speaker 1: his favorite things. And then he's got another And I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here going I'm gonna lose Donald phase on to
Speaker 1: share like I'm sitting here being like this, this was
Speaker 1: a bad idea. The man has written best selling books
Speaker 1: on rap and basketball, and I'm gonna lose him. And
Speaker 1: you know what I love, and you know what I love? Oh,
Speaker 1: you know what. What's what's funny is is, uh, I
Speaker 1: got a chance I met Donald one time. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you remember. I do remember I remember that
Speaker 1: look before I even read the book. You read it, yeah, so,
Speaker 1: but before before I even knew that it existed, Zach
Speaker 1: was like you were coming on and I looked you
Speaker 1: up on Uh. I googled you and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I met this dude. I met this dude, and when
Speaker 1: I was going to do first take, I thought you
Speaker 1: were going to do first take that day also, but
Speaker 1: I also met you. Your wife was with you, right,
Speaker 1: that's your wife. Yeah, and she and I got to
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more than you and I did.
Speaker 1: But I mean, and then I read the essay and
Speaker 1: you made it seem like you were like all crazy,
Speaker 1: like holy shit, holy sh it. You guys were a
Speaker 1: little bit cooler than that. My head, his head, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: inside of my head. It's only been a few times
Speaker 1: in my life. I was starstruck. But me Denzel Washington
Speaker 1: and Michael Jordan, I know, I'm watching you walk in
Speaker 1: that room. I don't know if it's because I was
Speaker 1: surprised or because I had just finished, like I was
Speaker 1: already working on the Scrubs thing, so I had gone
Speaker 1: through the whole series again, whatever it was. But yeah,
Speaker 1: when you walked in there, I was like, holy fucking ship.
Speaker 1: Like I was trying so hard not to not to
Speaker 1: wig out you. You were there for you were there
Speaker 1: for a book, right, you were there for another book,
Speaker 1: but it was it wasn't the wrap book. It was
Speaker 1: the basketball book right now? Was the basketball one? Came
Speaker 1: out in October last year. I did movies and other things,
Speaker 1: and so that's when I wasn't I was in New York, um,
Speaker 1: you know, doing all the press stuff. Okay, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: before we did this is what's gonna happen. This is
Speaker 1: my nightmare, right Joel. They just suddenly they turned my
Speaker 1: mic down and they just go off. Well, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to get into the basketball things. You said, Mike,
Speaker 1: you think my game would be more like like you
Speaker 1: imagine my game being like p J. Tucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna agree with that. I'm gonna I knew it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watched enough. Yeah yeah, yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: jump shots, some defense, very competitive and talks a lot
Speaker 1: of ship. Yeah that's me. That's I wish I had
Speaker 1: a little bit of a you know, a silkier game.
Speaker 1: I wish my game was more like Clay Thompson. But
Speaker 1: p J. Tucker was spot on. Man, he's a he's
Speaker 1: a great uh. I don't even know if you would
Speaker 1: consider him a role player. He's just like a glue guy, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's in a sin true player on that on that
Speaker 1: Rockets team. I lived in Laramie and I lived in
Speaker 1: Houston for fourteen years, so we were there like when
Speaker 1: he showed up. And then he's one of those guys who, like,
Speaker 1: if you go to the city where he's playing, everybody
Speaker 1: there just fucking loves him because all this stuff he does. Yeah, now, say,
Speaker 1: I have a question. Do you know do you have
Speaker 1: your book? Like Donald about your rap book? And Shay
Speaker 1: is um Everything he writes becomes a best seller, including
Speaker 1: um the Rap Yearbook, the most important rap song from
Speaker 1: every year since nineteen seventy nine, discussed, debated, and deconstructed.
Speaker 1: Billboard said this was one of the best hundred best
Speaker 1: music books of all time, which, holy shit, man, congratulations
Speaker 1: on an accomplishment like that round round of thunder applause. Yeah, Dan,
Speaker 1: please put in some thunders supplause. Uh, you won't hear it, Shay,
Speaker 1: so just imagine it. It's just it's like a stag.
Speaker 1: You listen to the podcast, right, say, I've seen you
Speaker 1: on so you know you know how Dan really brings
Speaker 1: the thunder supplause. Um. Now, Shay, if Donald were to say,
Speaker 1: because Donald loves rap, you were to like mention a
Speaker 1: year you don't have this memorize, right, or do you?
Speaker 1: Because if he would just say, like, if Donald were
Speaker 1: to be like, all right, nineties seven, would you be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is what I wrote about that I believe so
Speaker 1: is puff Daddy if I'm not mistaken, which um I
Speaker 1: want to say, you can look it up. It's so good.
Speaker 1: As as sad as I am about how much how
Speaker 1: well you guys are hitting it off. I just feel like,
Speaker 1: once this rap conversation starts, it'll be Donald's favorite conversation
Speaker 1: in the world because he really really loves rap, like
Speaker 1: as long as I've known him. Yeah, it's the best
Speaker 1: music in the world. It was can't Nobody hold Me Down?
Speaker 1: I can't know okay with him and with him and Mace. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was because because that was when when when rap
Speaker 1: had like they were doing the whole shiny suit thing,
Speaker 1: it was like it became all about opulence and high
Speaker 1: Williams and the hip Williams mint music videos right that
Speaker 1: those ones came a little bit, Yes, right around then,
Speaker 1: I remember around Nobody hold Me Down was Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying because I was when I was peeing fresh
Speaker 1: out of college, I was peeing on rap videos. In
Speaker 1: New York and I don't really know the music that well,
Speaker 1: but I remember like Hip Williams was a god at
Speaker 1: the time. And that's right around the time all those
Speaker 1: Mace Puffy videos were coming out. That was the one
Speaker 1: way they went in the desert, right, And uh, isn't
Speaker 1: j Lo in it too? Yeah? She's in that one. Ye?
Speaker 1: All right? Donald, do you want to pick a year
Speaker 1: now that he's got it up? Just pick like I mean,
Speaker 1: but I mean, okay, ninety two, that's a hard one,
Speaker 1: Like I don't have I don't have the book up.
Speaker 1: I was just I don't mean to put you on
Speaker 1: I don't mean to put you on the spot. I
Speaker 1: just wanted that. But I will say I know, like
Speaker 1: I know, ninety two was nothing but a g thing
Speaker 1: that there was a lot, right, that's a great, great record, man,
Speaker 1: that's really really good. That Chronic was what oh my gosh, man,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of great albums that came out, though.
Speaker 1: I feel like in ninety two, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That was Yeah, I graduated, I think from high school.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty I liked that song roll and down the
Speaker 1: streets smoking and sipping on gin and juice. So that's
Speaker 1: not the Doggy style album. And there's like there's like
Speaker 1: a constant debate between which is a better G funk
Speaker 1: album between between the Chronic and dogges Style both the
Speaker 1: dope man pick one, pick one? Which one do you
Speaker 1: want to listen to right now? Ship Man? Well, because no,
Speaker 1: because what happened is with hold on hard. What happened
Speaker 1: is it's hard man, because Doggies Style, Nate Dog, all
Speaker 1: these cats are on that record. Man, it's hard because
Speaker 1: you know, I take it back, I go chronic. But
Speaker 1: just because of deep Cover, I could feel it. Remember
Speaker 1: when Deep Cover of the movie came out and that
Speaker 1: song was on the deep Cover soundtrack, and my boy
Speaker 1: played me that ship and we listened to that ship over.
Speaker 1: We listened to that song over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: and this is before the beat for the East Coast
Speaker 1: West Coast stuff, and it was just like, Yo, this
Speaker 1: is the this is the dopest thing I ever heard
Speaker 1: in my life. Yes, it's one of those one of
Speaker 1: those moments where you like, I've never heard something like this.
Speaker 1: Here Snoop sort of lollygagging out into the song, like
Speaker 1: who is this guy? Yeah? Yeah, that And the beat
Speaker 1: was fucking fire and fucking and then the cook was yeah,
Speaker 1: and you don't stop because it's run night seven on
Speaker 1: it Undercover Cops that Stover make a documentary about this
Speaker 1: because I read that there was talking of it. Did
Speaker 1: they ever make it a documentary about of your book? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So what happened is a production company got
Speaker 1: the rights for it, and then we signed up with
Speaker 1: the Roots. They became like executive producers on it, and
Speaker 1: then they sold it to We sold this series to
Speaker 1: AMC and they did a six episode thing where it
Speaker 1: was like six episodes. Each episode was about one particular song.
Speaker 1: They're an hour long, and so it became like a
Speaker 1: video over. It was really cool. I got to go
Speaker 1: out to New York. They did like a concert, The
Speaker 1: Roost did a concert before the and then they showed
Speaker 1: the The one of the episodes is the one that
Speaker 1: they did on on Jesus Walks, and it was it
Speaker 1: was really really cool to what's so cool? Because as
Speaker 1: I'm listening to you talk about it, I mean, I
Speaker 1: just think it would be such an amazing I can
Speaker 1: understand why be amazing series. I wouldn't check that out.
Speaker 1: I definitely it was great. You know what what his
Speaker 1: need is. So they we got all signed up and
Speaker 1: they like we we sold the series and they started
Speaker 1: working on it and they gave me a phone call
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, do you want to call in
Speaker 1: and like we're brainstorming and helping out doing whatever. And
Speaker 1: I said, oh, yeah, yeah, like that would be cool
Speaker 1: because I like I know a lot about REP what
Speaker 1: we're doing this whole thing. And I called in and
Speaker 1: Black thought in Quest Lever both in there and like
Speaker 1: everything that somebody brought up, like I had like a
Speaker 1: third hand story, like oh yeah, I heard a story
Speaker 1: about a party that happened at this thing, and no
Speaker 1: matter what it was, Quest blacked out. They were like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah I was at that party. I wrote to
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to help anymore,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, guys, clearly you got this. I was gonna
Speaker 1: fall back. That's amazing. Yeah. You know, I've been at
Speaker 1: some places like where crazy things happened, like and I
Speaker 1: was just I just happened to be there when the
Speaker 1: things happened, like you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 1: was at the party where Biggie got killed. You know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: did you did? You did you hear like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: heard guns. I was outside, so I heard the gunshots. Also,
Speaker 1: I spoke to him before all of it happened. You
Speaker 1: never told me this. You saved this for shape, dude.
Speaker 1: You're not a hip hop You're not a hip hop
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a hip hop dude, but I'm
Speaker 1: a pop culture fan. You have told me you were
Speaker 1: at that event. Yeah, dude, I was at that event
Speaker 1: event and I spoke to him, and then, uh, the
Speaker 1: next morning I found out he was there. I actually
Speaker 1: found out that night that he had gotten shot. Somebody
Speaker 1: came around the corner and told me, you know, yo,
Speaker 1: they just fucking got Big, And I was like, get
Speaker 1: the funk out of here. And I remember telling Ricky
Speaker 1: Bell from Bell Bib de Vote and he was like,
Speaker 1: shut the funk up, dude, you don't know what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. And then the next morning, my boy Diane
Speaker 1: Richmond called me up on the phone and was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: they killed Big last night. And I was like holy
Speaker 1: and and I was like, holy shit, I was there, dude,
Speaker 1: I was. I spoke to him right before. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, I've did this couple of instances, like
Speaker 1: I was at Neils the night all that ship went
Speaker 1: down with Tupac and the girl on the dance floor
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Like I was at the I
Speaker 1: was at the club hanging out with my friends and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and I was there like just a
Speaker 1: bunch of things. Man, it's weird. It's it's my connection
Speaker 1: to hip hop runs deep. Man. I love I love
Speaker 1: it so much. And when I was, when I was younger,
Speaker 1: I would be you would frequently find me at some
Speaker 1: of these events that were considered, you know, later on
Speaker 1: that were considered iconic or pivotal moments in artists careers,
Speaker 1: especially in Tupacs and bigs. Those were two big moments.
Speaker 1: One one was the death of one and one was
Speaker 1: where everybody started looking at somebody as a true troublemaker,
Speaker 1: which was bullshit, but that was that was what. From
Speaker 1: that moment on, Tupac's lane shifted from you know, actor
Speaker 1: rapper to activists too. You know, his whole run with
Speaker 1: death Row and the whole East Coast, West Coast Beef
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. A lot of it stemmed
Speaker 1: from that moment that I wasn't even do you think
Speaker 1: it wasn't that I wasn't I don't know what right,
Speaker 1: you know, like that butterfly effect thing where one thing
Speaker 1: happens and then it causes everything to happen. If I
Speaker 1: take myself out of the equation, everybody would Donald Donald
Speaker 1: like bumped into some waiter who then got in a
Speaker 1: bad mood and was rude to Tupac, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, all this ship because Donald did, do I do?
Speaker 1: Either of you all follow a writer named Chiohdari Coker. No, okay,
Speaker 1: so he works on a ton of stuff, but he
Speaker 1: like worked on the biggie movie um Low Riders, creed
Speaker 1: to like a bunch of the stuff that I liked.
Speaker 1: I started following him. But just today he was talking
Speaker 1: about I think it was today, maybe might have been
Speaker 1: last night or yesterday, but he was talking about when
Speaker 1: when Tupac did Juice, and he was saying, like when
Speaker 1: he got the role of Bishop, which was like the
Speaker 1: guy who causes all the trouble in it. Um, like
Speaker 1: that was the beginning of his like gangster rapper, Like
Speaker 1: it's set him on that path and like that's just
Speaker 1: crazy to think about. Was a little thing like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I was, I was
Speaker 1: in Juice I had a really tiny role in that movie.
Speaker 1: And the one thing I remember the most about that
Speaker 1: movie was the premier and after seeing it, and you know,
Speaker 1: Tupac walking into the it was like it lows on
Speaker 1: forty second Street or something like that. It was in
Speaker 1: Times Square, I remember that. And he walked into the
Speaker 1: area where everybody was being let out of the movie,
Speaker 1: and it felt like he had like the glow around,
Speaker 1: like the Bruce Leroy glow around him, man, because you
Speaker 1: just knew at that moment he was out of him
Speaker 1: and yeah, he was. Just that's when I became a
Speaker 1: fan of his, you know what I mean, Like as
Speaker 1: an actor, I you know, checked on his stuff all
Speaker 1: the time, all of the movies he made and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. When I was younger, I remember thinking he's
Speaker 1: a better actor than he is a rapper, dude. I
Speaker 1: remember thinking that that's like an argument you could honestly
Speaker 1: legitimately make like he was unbelievable as an actor. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a very good actor. So Shade tell us
Speaker 1: like how you came to Scrubs and and and this
Speaker 1: this book, because I just I was so moved by
Speaker 1: a lot of that. I mean, it's funny your book, um,
Speaker 1: and but also there's moments I was reading and that
Speaker 1: would that would give me goose bumps, because you articulate
Speaker 1: moments and scrubs sometimes I think better than moments and
Speaker 1: scrubs even were I know, I mean, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: We we love what a fan you are. And I
Speaker 1: was reading something you wrote about the episode We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about today my my occurrence, and I got goose
Speaker 1: bumps when you wrote it. It was about it was
Speaker 1: about when I find out that Brendan Fraser's character has
Speaker 1: leukemia and Judy standing there, and I'm not bullshitting you.
Speaker 1: When I rewatched the episode today, it was even more
Speaker 1: moving to me. It was really unique. It was a
Speaker 1: really unique experience because I don't remember the moment and
Speaker 1: then I read your essay in his book where do
Speaker 1: you Think We Are? And it gave me goose bumps.
Speaker 1: And then I rewatched the moment today and I was
Speaker 1: so much more moved by it because I had your backstory.
Speaker 1: So that I encourage you, if you're a Scrubs fan,
Speaker 1: to get this book. But anyway, I just want to know.
Speaker 1: It's a long question, but how did you come to
Speaker 1: Scrubs And then how did you come to write this book?
Speaker 1: I came to Scrubs late. Um, this was this was
Speaker 1: back when it was on Netflix, so it's a few
Speaker 1: you know, several years ago. I didn't. I had never
Speaker 1: really I didn't watch it when it was like on
Speaker 1: an ABC, ORNBC or anything like that. Um, but I
Speaker 1: started catching it when I think it showed up. I
Speaker 1: got in a Comedy Central or you know, you know,
Speaker 1: on one of those cable channels, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is this is like a cool show. But there
Speaker 1: was no way to like rewatch the whole thing. You
Speaker 1: just catch whatever episodes you can. And then it popped
Speaker 1: up on Netflix and Larry me my wife, she also
Speaker 1: likes the shows, who were like, oh, let's like I
Speaker 1: haven't seen like the first four seasons or something. Let's
Speaker 1: sit down and watch it. And so you like, that's
Speaker 1: how it started, was a few years ago. And then
Speaker 1: it just became one of those shows that we watched
Speaker 1: our whole way through it. We we like fell in
Speaker 1: love with everybody on there. And as it was one
Speaker 1: of the ones where it was like it's been a
Speaker 1: long day and I needed like unwind and relax, and
Speaker 1: I need to like feel some emotions of some sort.
Speaker 1: So let me put but this one on because I
Speaker 1: think and I wrote this in a thing, but I
Speaker 1: think Scrubs is the best TV show ever at like
Speaker 1: balancing between those two worlds. You'll talk about it a
Speaker 1: lot of the time, like how hard of a transition
Speaker 1: that is to to make, too, from going from something
Speaker 1: like totally silly and like ridiculous immediately into something just
Speaker 1: outlandish or um, you know, like crazy serious. Um. So
Speaker 1: that's how we started watching that show, and it just
Speaker 1: became like like a ritual. Every so often, we're like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna restart Scrubs again and we're gonna watch it,
Speaker 1: and then that's going to be like what we do. Right.
Speaker 1: I love it And you and your wife getting debates
Speaker 1: about the show. I saw and part of the book
Speaker 1: is the email conversation you have about whether or not
Speaker 1: she likes j D or not. And I really appreciated
Speaker 1: your point of view more than because Larmie Laramie loves
Speaker 1: the show, but it's j D is not her favorite character.
Speaker 1: And I appreciated Jay debating why he should be. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, we so that we started watching the
Speaker 1: show and I realized, like, you watch a show and
Speaker 1: depending on like who you are, the type of person
Speaker 1: you are, just watched it a little bit different than
Speaker 1: everybody else. And I realized at some point that we
Speaker 1: were very much watching the show differently. I was watching
Speaker 1: it waiting for like the j D moment to happen,
Speaker 1: when you like make your eyes water or you like
Speaker 1: say a thing real seriously. And she was watching it
Speaker 1: for like, for like a Turk and Carlos situation or
Speaker 1: Dr Cox situation or whatever, and so like, well, we
Speaker 1: should let you know, let's talk about this a little bit.
Speaker 1: And uh, my favor, my favor. I was skimming through
Speaker 1: the book because you know, I'm not but you don't
Speaker 1: take it personally. He skimmed through the scripts for the episodes.
Speaker 1: I'm not, well, I'm not a great reader. And my attentions,
Speaker 1: my my attention focused on two If j D and
Speaker 1: Turk were to ever do a buddy cop movie, what
Speaker 1: would it be? And you go through a bunch of
Speaker 1: a bunch of lists of what movies And I immediately
Speaker 1: went for Running Scared with Billy Crystal and Gregory Hinds,
Speaker 1: Like that's the immediate when I went to and I
Speaker 1: was like, I bet you he doesn't have that on
Speaker 1: the list, And sure enough, it's right there on the list.
Speaker 1: Over the years, we've always talked about it's never happened
Speaker 1: but so far, but we've always talked about wanting to
Speaker 1: do a buddy cop or buddy movie of some kind together. Um.
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with trying to do like a Spies
Speaker 1: Like Us thing because I thought Donald and I could
Speaker 1: really do. We both love playing guy weighing over his
Speaker 1: head and the idea and like, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: want to. I would never a dare to attempt to
Speaker 1: remake Spies Like Us because I love that movie. But
Speaker 1: the premise of that, like two spies that are fun
Speaker 1: ups that get in way over their head. I thought
Speaker 1: Donald and I would be really funny at but um,
Speaker 1: but it's funny. I don't that you wrote a section
Speaker 1: in the book about that, because Donald and I always
Speaker 1: talked about wanting to do something like that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, man, oh, I was gonna say, that's how
Speaker 1: you could tell. I was like, I had just finished
Speaker 1: up the movie book at the same time I was
Speaker 1: doing the Scrubs thing, and I had rewatched all of
Speaker 1: like Buddy cop movies, and I was like, this is like,
Speaker 1: this makes too much sense. Now she doesn't work. It
Speaker 1: does make sense, man, I think Turk and j D
Speaker 1: would and and and it really comes through Zach on
Speaker 1: the episode of first episode that you directed, where we're
Speaker 1: doing the whole Heather Gram thing. It really comes through there,
Speaker 1: like that's a buddy cop movie or a buddy comedy
Speaker 1: in itself, right there. These two dudes going to adventure
Speaker 1: and it's a silly one too, so his boy can
Speaker 1: get some mask, you know what I mean with a
Speaker 1: letter familiar. Actually, Shaira, you wrote that in the in
Speaker 1: the book a little bit too, because you're talking about
Speaker 1: Molly Shannon's character in that episode. And that's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite episodes ever. I I, uh, we bring it
Speaker 1: up a lot because it was a pivotal moment for
Speaker 1: me because it was the first one I got to direct,
Speaker 1: and uh it was it was epic and Donald and
Speaker 1: I went on a quest that all took place over
Speaker 1: one night. You know, for budget, most of the time
Speaker 1: we would you know, be confined to the hospital with
Speaker 1: with going out a little bit here there. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's very expensive to bring a full film crew out
Speaker 1: into the real world. And and sometimes what Bill would
Speaker 1: do is he'd sort of save up, so we'd we'd
Speaker 1: have episodes that were mostly contained to the world of
Speaker 1: the hospital, and then he'd use the budget money he'd save.
Speaker 1: Then we do like a big gass one. That's why
Speaker 1: they'd be like The Wizard of Oz or the Medieval
Speaker 1: Times on or this one with Heather, where we were,
Speaker 1: you know, out all night long. UM, I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you, Shay. I wanted to say, just before we
Speaker 1: get in the episode, UM, I really even impressed by
Speaker 1: how hard you hustle and work. And you know, we're
Speaker 1: both on Twitter. We're all on Twitter, and I always
Speaker 1: see a lot of writers asking you for advice and
Speaker 1: how do I do it. I'm just so impressed with
Speaker 1: how hard you work. You write your ass off, You
Speaker 1: then go off and you really, um talk to your
Speaker 1: followers and say, hey, support the cause I'm here working
Speaker 1: my ass off and I made a thing I think
Speaker 1: you're gonna like. And I don't know, I just I'm
Speaker 1: I've always been impressed by how hard you work. And
Speaker 1: I wonder if you if you wanted to speak to
Speaker 1: that for for anyone, it could be about anyone trying
Speaker 1: to go after their dream, but you you particularly do
Speaker 1: it with your writing. Yeah, well, I think that's that's
Speaker 1: probably like an extension of of several different things. We
Speaker 1: grew up we live in San Antonio now. When I
Speaker 1: grew up, like on the other side of town, we
Speaker 1: were like real poor, you know, nobody was like finishing
Speaker 1: school or anything like that. So like that's always in
Speaker 1: the back of my head, like if ship goes wrong
Speaker 1: or if I make like a few mistakes, we could
Speaker 1: fall all the way back there. So that's that's part
Speaker 1: of it. Um. But also like in the in the
Speaker 1: case of the the Scrubs thing, like this was a
Speaker 1: thing that I was publishing independently. That is, you weren't
Speaker 1: gonna find it in bookstores. The only way anybody was
Speaker 1: going to find out about it was directly through me
Speaker 1: at the at the start of it, you know. So
Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna just sit there and cross my
Speaker 1: fingers and hope somebody like bats their way into it.
Speaker 1: Not you know, I'm trying to be like the guys
Speaker 1: at the at the fucking mall that comes spraying you
Speaker 1: with you like you know what I'm saying, Like I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be that. I'm gonna be that kind of salesperson.
Speaker 1: Or the guys in New York with the rap album
Speaker 1: I always trying to get you to buy there, dude.
Speaker 1: That's the strongest hustle level because there's a part of
Speaker 1: that hustle. It's also like strong arming YouTube. I always
Speaker 1: do it. I always do it because I feel so bad.
Speaker 1: By the time you've walked two blocks with him, you're like, too,
Speaker 1: I'm okay, okay, they're they're say they're smart. They're like, hey,
Speaker 1: hold this for me real quick, and then you hold
Speaker 1: it and they're like, all right, that's seven dollars, Like
Speaker 1: what the fun wasn't even I wasn't I wasn't even
Speaker 1: I wasn't even trying to buy it, dude. But they're
Speaker 1: the best salesman, those guys, because by the time you've
Speaker 1: walked a block with them, you're like, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: do need to hear this. You're right, that does sound good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes it's like Dog, just give me. But then
Speaker 1: they're like Donald, come on, Donald, keep it real. Donald,
Speaker 1: I've seen this is what I hate because I get
Speaker 1: a lot of this. I've seen you in the movies.
Speaker 1: Dog don't let me. Don't let me down. Now I
Speaker 1: didn't let you down. Don't let me down. All right. Well,
Speaker 1: I always think, you know, in in my career, the
Speaker 1: things I've done that you know, you have to put
Speaker 1: yourself out there. You have to really you know, I've
Speaker 1: write my own stuff. You get turned down a hundred times,
Speaker 1: and you just gotta keep going and keep fighting for
Speaker 1: you keep believing yourself. And I think that's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons I really like what you say and do
Speaker 1: on on Twitter, because you do a lot of philanthropic
Speaker 1: things as well, but you're also someone who's just like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this on my own. Sometimes sometimes a
Speaker 1: publisher will publish it. Sometimes I'll publish it, but like
Speaker 1: I'm always going to be doing my own hustle, which
Speaker 1: I really appreciate. Thank you, Thank you very much. So, guys,
Speaker 1: we're going to the episode, but um go buy Shay's book.
Speaker 1: It's called go to the website Sacred Heart Gang dot com.
Speaker 1: If you go to Sacred If you go to Sacred
Speaker 1: Heart Gang dot com, you can buy the book. It's
Speaker 1: a pdf you can download. It's twenty bucks. It's really
Speaker 1: worth it. It's amazing. I've seen some people on online
Speaker 1: or are printing it out and kind of making their
Speaker 1: own their own book out of it, But UM, support
Speaker 1: independent writers. He's self published this with amazing illustrations by
Speaker 1: our too Torres and uh, I can't I really recommend
Speaker 1: it if you're a Scrubs fan. Um, it's it's very
Speaker 1: very entertaining parts. Donald skimmed. Can we talk about the
Speaker 1: illustrations real quick? Illustrated? They kind of look like the
Speaker 1: New York Times. I'm not the New York Times the
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. When they draw the pictures like, they
Speaker 1: look like when somebody sits in front of you and
Speaker 1: poses and stuff like, they're very they're very lifelike, almost
Speaker 1: like yeah, kind of kind of like a portrait. Yeah. Absolutely, yes,
Speaker 1: especially the one with Brendan Frasier on the for the
Speaker 1: title of the book. You know what I mean with
Speaker 1: the inside when you get to that moment and you
Speaker 1: even say at that moment, I didn't want to talk
Speaker 1: about that, you know, I hate talking about this and
Speaker 1: Zach you before we get into the store, I wanted
Speaker 1: to say this. Also, it made also me watching the
Speaker 1: episode again, it made it more impactful for me because one,
Speaker 1: I knew how it was gonna work out the way
Speaker 1: you laid it out in the book. I knew how
Speaker 1: it was gonna end up, not only because I was
Speaker 1: in it, but because of that. But but but it
Speaker 1: made it more impactful because what the way you described
Speaker 1: all of what was happening, Uh, you really told the story. Well,
Speaker 1: that's my point. You know, that's good writing when you're
Speaker 1: like when when when he's he's he's writing his thoughts
Speaker 1: on something we were a part of. And I never
Speaker 1: had this experience before. I mean, I guess occasionally when
Speaker 1: someone writes a good review of something you've done, maybe
Speaker 1: it's similar. But you're writing his thoughts on this moment,
Speaker 1: and it made the moment for me as a part
Speaker 1: of it more impactful. I thought that was real. And
Speaker 1: then even where and then even where it stems from
Speaker 1: how you bring it back to the episode where we
Speaker 1: lose you know, where one in three patients die when
Speaker 1: they go into the hospital and everything like that, how
Speaker 1: you connect the This is how Scrubs sucks you up.
Speaker 1: They suck you up by making you think you know
Speaker 1: everything's all right, everything's all right, everything's all right, and
Speaker 1: then just when you're feel like you're out of the
Speaker 1: woods and you're safe. They dropped the fucking hammer on you,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And by the way, this
Speaker 1: is how good Shays writing is. Uh. He preempted Brendan
Speaker 1: Frasier being on this podcast. So I want you to know,
Speaker 1: Shay that we and I'm telling oouncing to the fans
Speaker 1: right here now, that the next episode will have Brendan
Speaker 1: Frasier on this podcast. That's perfect. That's perfect. Um, So
Speaker 1: we want SHA's gonna come on and we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: through Brendan Frasier's first episode. Then the next episode we're
Speaker 1: gonna have Brendan Fraser come on and uh and talk
Speaker 1: about it, and then uh will eventually, I guess it's
Speaker 1: season three, we'll get to uh, the big one. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of people's favorite episode of all time. This
Speaker 1: also when Brendan spoiler alert dies. This also is kind
Speaker 1: of a it's precursor the right word to that episode.
Speaker 1: Like this whole episode pretty much is a dream, dude
Speaker 1: that I didn't even remember that by the way, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Yeah, a lot of foreshadowing, right,
Speaker 1: I I didn't remember that either. And I've truly went
Speaker 1: on this journey with j d through this whole episode
Speaker 1: of him trying to, you know, rationalize why this, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is a false positive test. This test isn't it's
Speaker 1: not to co They're they're sucking up all day. I
Speaker 1: even made a note, and I even made a note, Wow,
Speaker 1: Sacred Heart is making a lot of mistakes. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also, by the way, first of all, I was
Speaker 1: so fucking uncomfortable with Judy hitting on me. And I
Speaker 1: didn't remember that at all, but because Donald's my best
Speaker 1: friend of the world, I was nervous that his TV
Speaker 1: wife was hitting from me. I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: my stomach was getting uncomfortable. And then I noticed a
Speaker 1: very subtle thing. I don't know if you guys noticed this,
Speaker 1: because I'm just very aware of the cinematography. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was Larry Trilling who directed. We mentioned
Speaker 1: that Bill Lawrence wrote this one and Larry Trilling, one
Speaker 1: of our favorite directors, directed it. And uh, there was
Speaker 1: this weird, sort of very subtle filter on the camera
Speaker 1: for that fantasy, that long dream sequence, and I didn't
Speaker 1: remember that it was a dream sequence. I remember, like, Jesus,
Speaker 1: why is this. It's usually a filter you you would
Speaker 1: reserve for a close up of a of a woman
Speaker 1: of a certain age. We wanted to maybe soften her wrinkles,
Speaker 1: a little bit of her eyes. But if you go
Speaker 1: back and look, it's on that whole sequence. I I
Speaker 1: was kind of like, why is why is this filter on?
Speaker 1: Like what? And then I was like is this just
Speaker 1: look weird on my computer? Like what's going on? And
Speaker 1: then when it was revealed that the whole thing is
Speaker 1: a is a fantasy, I was like, Oh, that was
Speaker 1: like a little subtle thing. You know, a lot of
Speaker 1: lots of little subtle things either, but that's one thing
Speaker 1: I noticed with the cinematography. It makes you want to
Speaker 1: go back and watch it again. It's a good show.
Speaker 1: Good show, Thank you, thank you. Well, I'm telling you
Speaker 1: when you get Chase, when you guys get Chase book,
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to when you read his essays, then
Speaker 1: you want to go back and go, Okay, now I
Speaker 1: gotta rewatch that episode with this with this essay in mine.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna go to a break and we'll
Speaker 1: be ride back and we're back back. All right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go into this episode, guys, all right, I got
Speaker 1: one thing to say when we start off, What the funk?
Speaker 1: How do why do we have like a cheese plate
Speaker 1: with a meat cheese meat plate the size of like
Speaker 1: when you go to a party at like it's it's
Speaker 1: our cheese and night, and we and we got like
Speaker 1: the Ramps version of cheese and meat. It's like, it's
Speaker 1: only cheddar. It's only cheddar and American and white white cheddar,
Speaker 1: yellow cheddar and American cheese and the worst cheese broacht
Speaker 1: beef turkey. It's cold cuts, rolled up and we're drinking
Speaker 1: wine and this is our and this is our night
Speaker 1: out from the hospital. And Judy Carla says she got
Speaker 1: a nice bottle of wine and then Donald's right, if
Speaker 1: you freeze frame at five seconds on the plate we're
Speaker 1: talking about, it's basically cubes of cheddar and rolled up
Speaker 1: cold cuts. Well, maybe maybe the rationalization was that we
Speaker 1: didn't know we were just we were like, we were
Speaker 1: so busy being doctors. None of us are cooks, and
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, we're gonna have like an adult night.
Speaker 1: That's what we do they have. So this is a
Speaker 1: good example of one of the one of the reasons
Speaker 1: I like to rewatch the show so much because every
Speaker 1: time you rewatch it, you're gonna find like another little
Speaker 1: neat thinking there. So I noticed that she's saying same
Speaker 1: same as you did when I rewatched it yesterday, and
Speaker 1: I was like, the only person in this room who
Speaker 1: is upset about the situation or the setup is Carla,
Speaker 1: which makes sense because she for that whole first season,
Speaker 1: second season, she's like the adult in the room, and
Speaker 1: the other and the and the other three are just
Speaker 1: sort of pretending to be adults, so they think like,
Speaker 1: this is what it's supposed to look like. And probably
Speaker 1: probably she probably a turk and and uh and j
Speaker 1: D would probably tasked with getting a nice tea. We
Speaker 1: went to fucking the supermarket, were like got one of
Speaker 1: those sund jobs. Meanwhile, she went to the liquor store
Speaker 1: and bottom expensive and then we still how about I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel bad um the talking like j D knowing
Speaker 1: so much about what celebrities are are naked and what movies.
Speaker 1: But it was pretty funny when he's like fun to
Speaker 1: and touch to. They have something like that on the
Speaker 1: playboych I mean, never mind, this is obviously before a
Speaker 1: website like this existed, so it does come up in
Speaker 1: the episode, but I don't think we should actively advertise
Speaker 1: them unless you want to hear it. Let us know, Okay,
Speaker 1: hit up, hit up Donald on his Instagram on me,
Speaker 1: hit me up on my Instagram. But you gotta fine
Speaker 1: only I'll only respond if you follow. But make sure
Speaker 1: you follow because he's very upset about his follower account.
Speaker 1: But if you really, if you don't want to take
Speaker 1: the time to google it, just that share you want
Speaker 1: some of this, man, We could we can hijack We
Speaker 1: can hijack some of Zack's followers, man and get them
Speaker 1: on on he's blowing up, Say share some of yours
Speaker 1: with me, brother, alright, one day won twelve. I was
Speaker 1: kind of taken, and I think this comes up in
Speaker 1: your essays if I'm not mistaken. But we finally see
Speaker 1: Cox like someone. Um, he seems that he seems to
Speaker 1: never like anybody or at least be snarky with anyone
Speaker 1: and everyone. This is this is sort of the first
Speaker 1: time that he's really uh, we see how much he
Speaker 1: genuinely is no bullshit. Has a friend. Yeah, that's really
Speaker 1: It's really like an interesting creation of a character is
Speaker 1: to put somebody in in his orbit who just sort
Speaker 1: of takes away all of his like protective armor immediately
Speaker 1: like he has another friend later on the show, Michael
Speaker 1: Boatman's character Ron, and then when he shows up and
Speaker 1: they're like clearly close friends, but but at the same
Speaker 1: time they're like poking each other in the eye every
Speaker 1: once in a while with something. But Brendan Fraser's character
Speaker 1: Ben is the only time we see him where he
Speaker 1: is just wide open and like just having a good
Speaker 1: old time and he loves Yeah. It's it's it's it
Speaker 1: really mirrors j D. And it's like his turk in
Speaker 1: a way. Um, just solely in the fact that like
Speaker 1: they're on you know, they're hugging, and they're and they're
Speaker 1: joking about hugging and um and they're just very they're
Speaker 1: being playing silly games, the thing with the card on
Speaker 1: their head, and they're just like they're unabashedly themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of all of the things that Dr Cox says
Speaker 1: annoys him about j D. Yeah, the things that Brent
Speaker 1: like he he talks in the voices, he's very affectionate,
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing like like, oh, this is like you
Speaker 1: begin to understand. This is like why he has such
Speaker 1: a fondness for j D is because he reminds him
Speaker 1: of this counsel. That's great. I really love that analysis.
Speaker 1: And I didn't see it, um, But it's funny. I was.
Speaker 1: I was watching Brendan Fraser's choice in this character for
Speaker 1: the first time in twenty years, and he is playing
Speaker 1: it very goofy and silly, and it's very j D like.
Speaker 1: And it's funny that you say that, Um, that I
Speaker 1: never thought of it like that. It's like you're seeing
Speaker 1: even though Cox has to keep it down because he
Speaker 1: like has to be Cox to j D, there is
Speaker 1: that there must be some aspect of j D that
Speaker 1: reminds him of his good buddy. You know, there's no
Speaker 1: question about it. There's no question. Um. I love when
Speaker 1: I go to the bar one three, when I go
Speaker 1: neat hug? What neat Hug? This is something that kind
Speaker 1: of bug me the whole time we made this show,
Speaker 1: but later on hindsight being nowadays, it's I I wish,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that this happened. But Brendan Fraser brings
Speaker 1: a camera into the episode and it's a polaroid camera,
Speaker 1: old school PARI, old school polaroid camera. And I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if we were doing this before or if this
Speaker 1: is where it started. But because of this moment right here,
Speaker 1: it's like I have polaroids from you know what I mean? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's get into it, because I I was wondering,
Speaker 1: we have all of these memories on celluloid because because
Speaker 1: of someone bringing a camera, and then it became is
Speaker 1: this where it began? Yeah? So here's the thing. Kristin
Speaker 1: Miller and I are both photographers as our hobby, and
Speaker 1: we both are camera geeks. We love new cameras, we
Speaker 1: love old cameras, will like send each other eBay listings
Speaker 1: of cameras. She's a really a talented photographer and I
Speaker 1: like to think I'm not too bad myself. Um. When
Speaker 1: Brendan Fraser came in, this was his real hobby, shooting
Speaker 1: with these old school polaroids. As you guys see in
Speaker 1: the in the in the movie that the kind of
Speaker 1: the kind of polaroid film not that just comes out automatically,
Speaker 1: pull it out and then you've got it's like shake
Speaker 1: it like a polaroid picture of these you actually did
Speaker 1: have to wait for a minute for them to cook
Speaker 1: and then you peel it off and they'd be a
Speaker 1: beautiful a shot and this camera that he's shooting with
Speaker 1: was actually Brendan's and he brought it in and of
Speaker 1: course and he was taking pictures. All the pictures you
Speaker 1: see at the end of the episode in that tin
Speaker 1: that he has, we're all shot by him over the
Speaker 1: course of his week hanging out with us. And then
Speaker 1: Krista and I got, of course, got so into it.
Speaker 1: We're like, oh my god, we gotta get one of those.
Speaker 1: Where do we buy him? And then over the years,
Speaker 1: Donald that you have a lot of Polaroid pictures, because
Speaker 1: I have a bunch of these cameras now, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure I'm sure Chris is giving you some too, because
Speaker 1: she does too, but the bulk of the ones you have,
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I got super into it, and I was
Speaker 1: going on eBay and buying all these old cameras. That's
Speaker 1: why that's that's all started with this, Okay, So all right,
Speaker 1: that's what I was. That's what I was running because
Speaker 1: it got ridiculous to at some point. At some point,
Speaker 1: it was like a battle between everybody who took pictures
Speaker 1: on the fucking show to bring in their new toy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, whether it was a Lika
Speaker 1: or a cannon or a fucking or a point This
Speaker 1: is the this is the Rolls Royce of point and
Speaker 1: shoot or criminal? How do you think I feel when
Speaker 1: you're talking about your new animation gadget? But listen, I
Speaker 1: don't know what do you sit. I don't go to you, dude, Man,
Speaker 1: I just fucking gott a c stand. Man, I'm really excited.
Speaker 1: I don't hit you up and do that ship. No,
Speaker 1: but on your Instagram you post it like I'm doing
Speaker 1: on this is on the Ones and I just got
Speaker 1: this new gadget called L two. You think I give
Speaker 1: a funk how your animating? Just show me to show
Speaker 1: me to finished product now. But he's right. In addition
Speaker 1: to Kristen I, there's also a huge camera department and
Speaker 1: and uh and with all sort you know, everyone in
Speaker 1: the camera department loves cameras. So yeah, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of camera talk on this. I'm sorry we annoyed
Speaker 1: that it wasn't annoying. I look back at it now
Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful for it because I have all
Speaker 1: of these memories captured. Yes, now I want to know
Speaker 1: why j D, who's we've established as a very good doctor.
Speaker 1: I'll be young is passing out at a nail in
Speaker 1: someone's hand. I mean, hasn't he seen faring? That ship
Speaker 1: is gross? Non, no matter how you look at it,
Speaker 1: manly how you for some reason, he's he's fucking cleaned
Speaker 1: out people's rectums. Yeah, but when the ship is still
Speaker 1: in you, that's scary, man, because it has to come out.
Speaker 1: And when it comes look you see in the movies,
Speaker 1: all right, you ready, one, two, three, and then they
Speaker 1: pull it in the person. It's like that was the
Speaker 1: first thing I thought about, like they gotta take that
Speaker 1: ship out. It didn't cross your It didn't cross your mind.
Speaker 1: As I understand. Being a fake doctor, you don't want
Speaker 1: to pull it out before you get to the e
Speaker 1: R because then that's what the that thing is stopping
Speaker 1: the blood from coming out. In some cases, yes, in
Speaker 1: some cases, don't take this this medical. Please google, Please
Speaker 1: google the right thing to do it. Because in some
Speaker 1: movies when dude gets shot with the bow and arrow
Speaker 1: or something like that, or or or or get stabbed
Speaker 1: with a knife and they got to make the escape there,
Speaker 1: you know, it's the icon, it's the close eye contact
Speaker 1: and everything, but they're looking face to face and they're
Speaker 1: like all right, you ready. I'm ready on three, one two,
Speaker 1: you set on three. That's true. Well, anyway, I thought
Speaker 1: it was surprising that there's the episode begins with j
Speaker 1: D passing out at a nail in someone's hand. He
Speaker 1: literally faints. He literally faints like a like a person
Speaker 1: in old movies faints right like be still, yeah, like
Speaker 1: like like like like yeah, back of hands. Now, this
Speaker 1: is a real thing in hospitals, you know, mix ups are.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've they've taken all these steps in the
Speaker 1: intervening years between this show in to make sure that
Speaker 1: funk ups are very, very very rare. I just started
Speaker 1: watching this show on Netflix's a documentary show if you're
Speaker 1: into real doctor situations called lenox Hill, where they're following
Speaker 1: around real doctors, and I just noticed that they're going
Speaker 1: to do brain surgery on someone. And there's those whole
Speaker 1: process where they're like they're like, we'll be doing this
Speaker 1: on the right side of the brain. Does anyone here right,
Speaker 1: raise your hand if you heard right? And there's this
Speaker 1: whole system in place now where the nurses are like
Speaker 1: I heard right, I heard right, I heard right, and
Speaker 1: they're like sign he signs his name on the woman's
Speaker 1: skull before the surgery. Like, my point is, everyone in
Speaker 1: the in the medical communityho listens to the show is
Speaker 1: laughing at me because I'm explaining it so horribly. But
Speaker 1: it made me think of that because there's so many
Speaker 1: systems in place now to make sure fun ups happen
Speaker 1: less because it is a thing in hospitals. But it's
Speaker 1: also really funny how they figure out the mess up.
Speaker 1: What's happening? You know what I mean? Wait a second,
Speaker 1: I imagine that this guy is Jewish, Yeah, of course
Speaker 1: he is. Then why isn't his penis circumcised? And then
Speaker 1: Todd runs in, Hey, Dr Wynne wants to know if
Speaker 1: there's some sort of mix up because our appendix surgery
Speaker 1: doesn't have an appendix. And then he walks into the
Speaker 1: room and he's like, can you believe what the whoa?
Speaker 1: It's going on here? That should let me laugh so hard?
Speaker 1: I laughed so hard that, but I didn't understand something.
Speaker 1: I mean, I laughed so hard that. But isn't it
Speaker 1: just an uncircumcised penis? Why is Todd? He's not freaked
Speaker 1: out by it? But what it is is it's it's
Speaker 1: you know, the person's covered in a complete uh chet right,
Speaker 1: and it's covering their whole body and the only thing
Speaker 1: sticking out and there's a big light shining on it.
Speaker 1: Obviously is this dude and his balls? And yeah, but
Speaker 1: why don't we Donald? If you, if you fans are listening,
Speaker 1: go back. You can see when when Rob comes in
Speaker 1: and says, whoa, what is going on here? You can
Speaker 1: see Donald under his mask start to laugh and like, Donald,
Speaker 1: I can see you biting your fucking cheek. That ship
Speaker 1: was hilarious. He's fucking dude, man. I forgot how I
Speaker 1: say this over and over again, Robert Machio, Holy shit,
Speaker 1: I forgot how funny he is. Man. And we used
Speaker 1: to we used to fucking funk with him all the
Speaker 1: time and let's go run line and everything. But he
Speaker 1: fucking crushes it every time. Every time, dude, that's the
Speaker 1: funniest line on the show. WHOA what is going on here?
Speaker 1: Going on here? Even in my brain, I was thinking, like, well,
Speaker 1: why is he so surprised to see Petis? But Donald? Oh? Man?
Speaker 1: Then I looked at Donald and I know that look
Speaker 1: better than anyone that you're lucky at that he's like
Speaker 1: he's like his face Nicole Sullivan's back, Christine Miller's back
Speaker 1: on this episode, Christ's back then Nicole Sullivan story. You know, uh,
Speaker 1: you can speak on this also. This was one of
Speaker 1: those things where you throw her in there just so
Speaker 1: you can, just so the audience remembers, Okay, there's this character,
Speaker 1: and we have plans for her later on and to
Speaker 1: make this connection, to make to make what happens to her,
Speaker 1: to make you feel it more. We're gonna introduce her
Speaker 1: on some silly ship just so you're comfortable, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is just somebody who comes into the space, into
Speaker 1: the universe for Elliott to make funny jokes with and
Speaker 1: you kind of don't realize. Okay, at the end of
Speaker 1: this something's bad's gonna happen, even though we're laying out
Speaker 1: the crumbs, you know what I mean, some something's you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she talks about that in his book actually with with
Speaker 1: the Brendan ark of it all about how Bill wasn't
Speaker 1: was was totally not afraid to play the long game
Speaker 1: with these people, right Chay, Like like they laid the
Speaker 1: foundation from Brennan and then that episode is not until
Speaker 1: two years later, you know. So that's the like the
Speaker 1: one question I wanted to make sure I asked when
Speaker 1: I came on here, was when you all are doing
Speaker 1: that stuff with with with the Coal Sullivan character, with
Speaker 1: or with the Rennen Fraser character. Do you know ahead
Speaker 1: of time, like okay and and fucking three years is
Speaker 1: when we're gonna get rid of you? Just sort of
Speaker 1: we should throw it to Bill, Let's throw that. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: well let's let's throw the Brendan one to Build, because
Speaker 1: that's I was thinking about doing that as well, Bill,
Speaker 1: when you had Brandon on in season one for these
Speaker 1: two awesome episodes, we have Chase Serrano here, and of
Speaker 1: course Building knows who you are, Shake because he I
Speaker 1: see him hitting you up on Twitter as well. Bill,
Speaker 1: was was it your intention that you would kind of
Speaker 1: play the long game and then bring Brendan back in
Speaker 1: in season three for the episode Everybody Loves at the Funeral?
Speaker 1: Was that on your it are this far out? And
Speaker 1: and because we're because you know, we're talking about also
Speaker 1: in the Cole Sullivan character, and how one of the
Speaker 1: things you did really well and Scrubs was not be
Speaker 1: afraid to play the long game with these characters. But first, well, Bill,
Speaker 1: please don't don't don't please don't. Hey, guys, I guess
Speaker 1: we'll just continue this relationship in which you only reach
Speaker 1: out to me when you need me. Uh. And I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to feel good about that. Um, now I do
Speaker 1: feel good. Look. Brendan Um is an old family friend,
Speaker 1: good friend of Christa's. And when we brought him on,
Speaker 1: initially we thought, wow, that was back when we kind
Speaker 1: of bring guest stars on and get to know him
Speaker 1: and kill him. But we thought it was kind of
Speaker 1: a good enough thing to give him, uh leukemia and um,
Speaker 1: you know kind of see Dr Cox rise to the
Speaker 1: occasion and deal with it. The first episode is based
Speaker 1: on a short story called Occurrence atile Creek Bridge by
Speaker 1: Ambrose Beer, So if anybody wanted to look that up.
Speaker 1: Second episode, it's just cool excuse to use the worthless peons,
Speaker 1: Ted's band and and all you guys. And Brennan was
Speaker 1: so good when he agreed to come back. Uh, it
Speaker 1: was perfect because we were able to do you know
Speaker 1: that um sixth cents homage. So we always knew we
Speaker 1: wanted to kill him, but we hadn't planned. Uh, we
Speaker 1: had hoped, but hadn't planned for him to come back.
Speaker 1: And when that happened. It's one of our favorite episodes ever. Alright,
Speaker 1: we were we have a fan that we're gonna take
Speaker 1: a new commercial and then we come back. Do we
Speaker 1: ever go to a fan and then go to commercial
Speaker 1: after the fan? How come we always got to go
Speaker 1: to commercial before the fan? Is this like it? Because
Speaker 1: and it's a second it's a segment thing. I got it.
Speaker 1: It's a segment thing. Yeah, I mean there's when Joel
Speaker 1: we first started making the show. Joel had a very
Speaker 1: organized list of the way the show would go, and
Speaker 1: since all we do is ramble all over the place,
Speaker 1: we just occasionally asked her if we should commerc It's
Speaker 1: always like we it's always a tease though for the
Speaker 1: it's always a tease for the people listening to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh we've got a listener here, let's you know what,
Speaker 1: we should probably go to commercial. But I think that
Speaker 1: I think that you know, on on real TV shows
Speaker 1: and radio shows, you want to you want the audience
Speaker 1: to stay on the line, right on on the fishing line.
Speaker 1: You want when we come back, we're gonna have an
Speaker 1: exciting caller. But we don't do it that way. We
Speaker 1: never do it that way. We always tay it that way.
Speaker 1: Let's try and sell it this way. You want to
Speaker 1: try and sell it, like, pretend that they might change
Speaker 1: the channel or switch to the No no no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no. Don't you touch that doubt. When we
Speaker 1: come back. We'll have that call do we're back in
Speaker 1: two and two. Oh hi, guys, what's up? Guy? Gentlemen?
Speaker 1: It's Dylan and who else is Camdal? And Cam? There's
Speaker 1: your official Opra voice. Guys. That's the prize you get
Speaker 1: for making it on the show. You get an Oprah
Speaker 1: voice intro and Cam, where are you guys at? It
Speaker 1: looks like you're like in a bunker underground down with yea,
Speaker 1: we have a little bar area in our basement. We're
Speaker 1: kind of hunkered down that here, but we're in a
Speaker 1: lacrosse with Okay, Wisconsin in the house. Nice. We'll welcome
Speaker 1: guys to the show. We um. We We have Shay
Speaker 1: Serrano joining us, who's written an awesome book on Scrubs
Speaker 1: and incredible best selling author, and he probably knows more
Speaker 1: about Scrubs than Donald and I. But definitely you can
Speaker 1: well that's because Donald smokes a lot of weed. But
Speaker 1: you can ask us any question or maybe you're off?
Speaker 1: Are you off this hour? Down? Do you mean did
Speaker 1: I smoke today? No, because there was a couple of
Speaker 1: podcasts ago you said you were taking a break from Weed,
Speaker 1: and I wonder if that's stuck. No, that didn't didn't
Speaker 1: taken that night. That night I went back to the well. Uh.
Speaker 1: He always tries to brag. Sha. He's like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: off Weed. I'm like for how long? He's like an hour?
Speaker 1: How it starts, That's how it starts, one at a time,
Speaker 1: one step at a time. All right, Dylan and Cam,
Speaker 1: what's up? What's your question? Guys? Welcome? Yeah, good to
Speaker 1: be here. Man. Really big fans and really huge fan
Speaker 1: of Shade too. Oh nice? Yeah, yeah, yeah you guys.
Speaker 1: Do you guys printed it out for you for you listeners?
Speaker 1: They held up She's book on the office. Uh, and
Speaker 1: they had printed it out and binded it. So these
Speaker 1: guys are real Shade fans. I love, Yeah, I love
Speaker 1: probably my favorite author. Yeah, thank you? Oh wow nice? Sha? Alright,
Speaker 1: a question for I guess it's probably gonna be for Sha.
Speaker 1: But Donald and I are here too, Um, so I
Speaker 1: guess i'f you guys want to hop in with this too,
Speaker 1: but for Shay Um. So you've written obviously conference rough
Speaker 1: five minutes, for the Office, You've written where do you
Speaker 1: think we are? For Scrubs? Um? Is there another show
Speaker 1: that you've been thinking about her? Is there maybe one
Speaker 1: that maybe Donald or back would really like to kind
Speaker 1: of see from you as well? Oh? That's I like,
Speaker 1: I like my part, But you go for a show.
Speaker 1: There hasn't been one that I thought of yet. Usually
Speaker 1: whenever I'm working on one of these, people will like
Speaker 1: start tweeting me, Oh, do the wire do arrested Development?
Speaker 1: Do you Sons of Anarchy or Madman or whatever? But
Speaker 1: but mostly these things just sort of happen organically. Like
Speaker 1: I've been I've been watching Scrubs for so long. I've
Speaker 1: seen it so many times that it was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, let me let me do something with all
Speaker 1: of the times I've watched it. And then it becomes like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I was actually just working hard all of that time
Speaker 1: instead of just sitting around watching TV. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, that's a nice way to spin it,
Speaker 1: Like you're like, I wasn't wasting those hours I was
Speaker 1: writing the book. Yeah exactly. I mean it's like a
Speaker 1: hundred and eighties something episodes of the show you watch
Speaker 1: the point ninety hours of TV that you've seen four
Speaker 1: or five times all the way through. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: usually just if a show will grab ahold of me,
Speaker 1: then I don't then I'll write about it. But I haven't.
Speaker 1: I don't have any plans right now to do to
Speaker 1: do another one? All right, I haven't. Which one do
Speaker 1: you want? Which one do you want him to do?
Speaker 1: I was just well, the whole time he was talking,
Speaker 1: I was half listening and half thinking. I think, I think.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you watch the show, Shay Donald,
Speaker 1: I don't think watches it. But I really loved Atlanta. Oh,
Speaker 1: Atlanta is great, and I think it's right for analysis
Speaker 1: because it's got so many trippy storylines and so much
Speaker 1: social commentary, and I just I just think it's incredibly done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a really that's a really good but they're not
Speaker 1: done yet. It does the Wire. A lot of people
Speaker 1: say the Wire is. I have to admit I only
Speaker 1: watched season one, so please don't yell at me. But um,
Speaker 1: A lot of people think that's the greatest TV show
Speaker 1: of all time? Is that? Is that on the top
Speaker 1: of your list. Yeah, that's absolutely on there, The Wire,
Speaker 1: Breaking Bad. So, like you know, all of the all
Speaker 1: of the main ones. I've never seen any of these shows.
Speaker 1: You haven't. No, you've never seen You've never seen Breaking Bad.
Speaker 1: We only watch we only watch the finales, the only
Speaker 1: episode you ever saw. So here's my thing. Here's my thing.
Speaker 1: I have a hard time investing in shows because what
Speaker 1: happens is either they get canceled or they disappoint you
Speaker 1: in the end. Right, that's my that's my issue with things.
Speaker 1: I hate when you know something there's a cliffhanger at
Speaker 1: the end of the season, and then the show gets
Speaker 1: canceled and you don't get to finish, you know, and
Speaker 1: then really there's a series. What's a series that you
Speaker 1: watched like that? You just loved all of it? The
Speaker 1: Clone Wars, it's got to be Star Wars. It's only
Speaker 1: Star Wars that that that well yeah, I I you know,
Speaker 1: uh that was anything non Star Wars. No. No, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, Bill Lawrence used to say it all the time,
Speaker 1: and it's so true. You you tell people when you
Speaker 1: when people meet you and they say, I'm such a
Speaker 1: huge fan of your show. Not out of the ten times.
Speaker 1: They've only seen it like a handful of times, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and haven't seen it more than that. Um,
Speaker 1: And so I fall in that category. If I were
Speaker 1: to see Brian and Aaron, I would be like, I'm
Speaker 1: such a huge I was such a huge fan of
Speaker 1: Breaking Bad. I only saw the final episode. Would that
Speaker 1: I already told them it's all over the air now
Speaker 1: that somebody's gonna come back to say that now, but
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like like I watched every
Speaker 1: now and then I'll check out a c W show, right,
Speaker 1: Like I love superhero movies, right, so I'll check out
Speaker 1: The Flash, or I'll check out Legends of Tomorrow, or
Speaker 1: I'll check out you know, uh arrow uh. And I've
Speaker 1: only seen like, you know, out of all of them,
Speaker 1: I've seen maybe you know, thirty of them total, like
Speaker 1: of all of the show's total. But when I see
Speaker 1: the actors and stuff in it, I genuinely do love
Speaker 1: what I have seen. So I'll be like, I'm such
Speaker 1: a fan of your show even though I've only seen
Speaker 1: each show. So the message is that Donald is holy
Speaker 1: bullshitting you. I'm telling the honest truth. I like Supergirl.
Speaker 1: I have seen that your time, you like it? What
Speaker 1: about small about Small Bill? I only saw that show
Speaker 1: a couple of times also, and I like, you know
Speaker 1: because Angel which one was dark angel As one as
Speaker 1: Jessica Alba. I didn't watch that one. I didn't watch.
Speaker 1: I never you also used didn't you used to watch?
Speaker 1: There was a sci fi show you Battlestar Galactica. I
Speaker 1: take it back if you do Battlestar, Yeah, you should
Speaker 1: do Battlestar Galactic. Yeah, there we go. Thank you, Zach,
Speaker 1: thank you. I remember, I remember I gott. I was
Speaker 1: searching my brain for you. I was like, I know
Speaker 1: there was one sci fi show you actually watched. There
Speaker 1: wasn't a Star Wars animated cartoon. Yeah, I remember. I
Speaker 1: got into an argument with my girlfriend at the time
Speaker 1: because I thought she uh taped over my Battlestar Galactica episode.
Speaker 1: I remember, um, did you watch that one? Shaw? I
Speaker 1: did not watch Battlestar? Did you guys, Dylan Cam did
Speaker 1: you watch I Will Start? Yeah? Yeah? Do you lie
Speaker 1: like it? Yeah? I'm super big and like sci fi
Speaker 1: by that one, I was pretty I think as far
Speaker 1: as like sci fi shows that people have liked, that's
Speaker 1: one of those ones everyone says was canceled too soon,
Speaker 1: and people k she's a g if you ask me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, she's one of those
Speaker 1: action heroes that is a good Like she's straight up
Speaker 1: as a true action star who deserves the opportunity to
Speaker 1: carry some project. They say she's going to be in
Speaker 1: The Mandalorian this upcoming season as uh Bokatan, which would
Speaker 1: be really fucking dope. My grandmother used to live in right. Well,
Speaker 1: these characters, these these characters all travel from Does it
Speaker 1: take place at an old Jewish community center and can
Speaker 1: eat and as Jo? Well, do you want Battle Star
Speaker 1: Galactica because you like the sci fi stuff? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: came very very late to Battle Star Galacticus. I'm currently
Speaker 1: in the middle of season one but really loving it.
Speaker 1: It's amazing, It's excellent, good writing. If you're a Star
Speaker 1: Trek and or Star Wars, Fanniel probably finds something like
Speaker 1: in Battlestar Galactica. All right, um, so guys, um to
Speaker 1: finish that question off, do you have a show that
Speaker 1: that like you would love Shay to one day do
Speaker 1: a book about each We're gonna ask both of you each. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I would love Breaking Bad personally, breaking that would be
Speaker 1: really sick. I think it's a really really good show. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would probably be my top twoice. Maybe parts in
Speaker 1: the rack would kind of be a more fun one.
Speaker 1: I'm more lighthearted, but I would probably say breaking that
Speaker 1: would be a really cool one. All right, how about you? Um,
Speaker 1: I've always been a Jewish fan of the show Dexter.
Speaker 1: I would love to see you do that in my
Speaker 1: opening and born in the best show, uh start and
Speaker 1: then kind of dropped operating to finish where I think
Speaker 1: Breaking bad better than serious, where I think that's best
Speaker 1: Sexter is better. Yeah, I think I think that's that's
Speaker 1: the kind of fell in line with Donald's of kind
Speaker 1: of a slight disaployment at the very end. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that's one. That's another show where
Speaker 1: I only watched the last episode and I was like, what,
Speaker 1: don that's bullshit, Harry met Sally. That's a totally different example.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when Billy Crystal when she's asking when
Speaker 1: when she when he tells her how how dark he is,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I read the end of the book
Speaker 1: before I started. That's me with movies, that's me with television.
Speaker 1: Shows that everybody's But that's me with television shows that
Speaker 1: everybody's like, you should watch this, you know what show
Speaker 1: you would like, you would like this show, but you missed,
Speaker 1: you missed like the whole build up of everything, like
Speaker 1: you can't. Okay, we're talking about Nicole Sullivan character. Yes,
Speaker 1: in the in the season eight finale, when jad is
Speaker 1: doing the walk down the hallway and she pops up
Speaker 1: out of the out of the thing and she's like,
Speaker 1: there you are, and you get so fucking excited, Like
Speaker 1: there's like a real jolt of joy in your body
Speaker 1: when you see that. If you haven't watched all the
Speaker 1: other episodes, you don't understand what that. You think this
Speaker 1: is just a person who happens together. How do you
Speaker 1: can't just watch? So? Then that is the final episode
Speaker 1: of Scrubs. A good episode. It's a great because fantastic
Speaker 1: because the Breaking Bad for the Breaking Bad finale, it's
Speaker 1: a fucking movie. All I needed to know was that
Speaker 1: this dude, Walter White, was this why because you you
Speaker 1: you will get so I mean, let's just take Breaking
Speaker 1: Bad because I feel like it's a show that everyone
Speaker 1: listening to this problem that last that last, right, But
Speaker 1: that last episode is a movie. It's a fucking movie.
Speaker 1: It's a movie, like like, it's just like the hour
Speaker 1: with Edward Norton where he finally where he's a board.
Speaker 1: I forget the name of the damn movie, but forget
Speaker 1: how many hours there's a lot of But he fucking uh,
Speaker 1: he's a drug dealer who goes to jail. You don't
Speaker 1: need to know everything that goes on before the movie.
Speaker 1: With the movie starts, you're invested the minute he gets
Speaker 1: caught out there after you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: it's going to jail and it's the end of the story.
Speaker 1: It's but but you can watch that movie and understand
Speaker 1: all of the parts by the time you get to
Speaker 1: the end. If you only watch the finale of Breaking
Speaker 1: Bad like you kind of you don't understand why it's
Speaker 1: so important that he saves Jesse in that moment, you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Why did he save this one
Speaker 1: kid and kill everybody else. I don't understand why he
Speaker 1: had to walk through the meth lab the last time.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why they play this particular song like you,
Speaker 1: you're missing so much of this thing that you gotta
Speaker 1: watch the rest of you gotta watch it all right, Wait,
Speaker 1: let's let's ask the guys if they have another question.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, guys, you have another one. Um. So you
Speaker 1: guys have mentioned earlier in the podcast series that you
Speaker 1: guys just to be roommates, right, Yes, we were roommates
Speaker 1: for a year, I mean for our half of the summer,
Speaker 1: for summer, summer, for a summer. So maybe I'm kind
Speaker 1: of staring the pot a little bit here, But what
Speaker 1: we've got from your biggest pet peeves living with the Jether.
Speaker 1: So I got to the loft first. We rented this
Speaker 1: law for the summer, and the loft it was enormous.
Speaker 1: It was like your dream loft in terms of size,
Speaker 1: but it didn't wasn't really that set up in terms
Speaker 1: of like two nice bedrooms, two nice bathrooms. So I
Speaker 1: claimed the nice bedroom because you know I got there first, right,
Speaker 1: that's what you do. Then I gave Donald what was
Speaker 1: technically the second bedroom, but it had a wash room
Speaker 1: and drying room, and he goes, who do you think
Speaker 1: I am? Benson? And for you guys are young, you
Speaker 1: don't know, but Benson was a show where how Benson
Speaker 1: Benson was a show. Robert and played Benson, and he was.
Speaker 1: He worked for the mayor. He was an assistant to
Speaker 1: the mayor. He was saying like pretty much like who
Speaker 1: do you think I worked? And Benson was the one
Speaker 1: that pretty much ran the country while because the mayor
Speaker 1: was this you know, uh bumbling. Uh, well he wasn't
Speaker 1: a bumbling mayor, but he was. Benson was the one
Speaker 1: that handled everything right. He handled the house, he handled everything. Uh.
Speaker 1: And for some reason, uh, to me, that ship was
Speaker 1: kind of fucked up that you can there like Benson
Speaker 1: should be the mayor. Benson should have been the mayor,
Speaker 1: and the mayor should not have been the mayor. But
Speaker 1: that's not why I was piste up. I was piste
Speaker 1: up because I was like, yeah, you're gonna put me
Speaker 1: in the room with the washer and drying of all
Speaker 1: the look, it was either that or like a law.
Speaker 1: It was like there was a cot right outside of
Speaker 1: his room and I was not taking the cot. I'll
Speaker 1: take the fucking cot. And then I didn't really have
Speaker 1: a door. So we we we were very open with
Speaker 1: each other that summer. We were very very open with
Speaker 1: touched tips. No no, no, we didn't. We did, and
Speaker 1: we never ducks that was the mis dream. This is
Speaker 1: all gonna get this is all boy. No, we're not
Speaker 1: cutting this out. Listen. This is what always happens on
Speaker 1: the show. We say something like that and then Dolly goes,
Speaker 1: we're cutting this out, and then we almost never cut
Speaker 1: it out. We used to play ping pong in our
Speaker 1: in our box and our underwear do. We had a
Speaker 1: lot of great times. I remember the writer Amy Tan.
Speaker 1: Is that a famous writer, Joel Okay as I understand it.
Speaker 1: The writer Amy Tan lived beneath us, and she was
Speaker 1: not happy that two guys partying all summer were in
Speaker 1: the loft above her. And we would get notes like,
Speaker 1: we would get notes like Amy Tan is furious, you
Speaker 1: guys need a fucking quiet down. She was like, she
Speaker 1: would write notes like do you guys have fucking elephants upstairs?
Speaker 1: Because the banging? I can only imagine. She would write
Speaker 1: some pretty unique notes though she was She was a
Speaker 1: good writer. She they were beautifully written. She wrote the
Speaker 1: joy Luck Club Holy Ship. We were working with the
Speaker 1: lady who wrote the joy Luck were funny, whether we
Speaker 1: were just having fun, and I remember her very well
Speaker 1: worded angry letters. I wish you still had them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she pulled out the thesaurus for some of those. I
Speaker 1: know we could probably sell them on eBay. Those are
Speaker 1: worth something. Amy Tan's angry letter Donald, all right, we
Speaker 1: gotta keep going. Thank you guys for coming on, Donald,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Hey, thank you guys. What is that on
Speaker 1: your shirts? The Summer League? Yeah, Vegas summer LEA probably
Speaker 1: knows about Summer League. Yeah, and the Yeah basketball, you
Speaker 1: probably don't know too much about Donald, does Donald? Are you?
Speaker 1: But we're big Bucks then Bucks fans and okay, right on,
Speaker 1: how long do you think you can hold to compo
Speaker 1: there for him? He's resigning? Yeah, yeah, you believe he's
Speaker 1: not coming to stand in your show. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Do they come out of the work.
Speaker 1: I mean, there is no East this year or West
Speaker 1: for the for this bubble round that they're talking about
Speaker 1: at Disney, right, it's just a bunch of teams thrown
Speaker 1: into a pot that I think. I think they are
Speaker 1: still doing the East West. It's something weird. It's kind
Speaker 1: of weird how they have set up it. It would
Speaker 1: be nice if they just threw teams into a pot
Speaker 1: so you could get, you know, first rounds with like
Speaker 1: Houston Verse Milwaukee or Houston verse, you know, Washington. That'd
Speaker 1: be really cool. But what's his name again? I want
Speaker 1: to try and use it to Kumpo Compo. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you he's a really great player. And
Speaker 1: what I like about him is he's always in the paint.
Speaker 1: That's actually true. That's actually and he reminds me of
Speaker 1: Rodman because he's always getting those rebounds. Wow, not bad,
Speaker 1: not bad, not bad, not basketball. Kind of a quick
Speaker 1: little shared story. We uh um. I think back to
Speaker 1: the episode where I don't think it was the standards.
Speaker 1: It's like a flashback to where you guys got to
Speaker 1: go see Michael Jordan's Yeah, and when we're in high school.
Speaker 1: I want to take it to Bucks Lakers game and
Speaker 1: shout rest in peace Kobe Bryant. But we got to
Speaker 1: go see Kobe Bryant play and we rolled up. Don't
Speaker 1: see Kobe Bryant. And I take it. Take it unlike
Speaker 1: unlike Jade and Turk. You guys remember the tickets. I
Speaker 1: take it right? Is it? That? Is that like in Scrubs?
Speaker 1: Lord Donald? Is that how you began to lose your hair?
Speaker 1: You first started pulling it out? And I don't know
Speaker 1: how I began to I don't know how Turk started
Speaker 1: to lose his hair, but that was the first moment,
Speaker 1: the first that's one of the first moments. All right, guys,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming out and really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Appreciate Hey, did you ever in Wisconsin come play tennis
Speaker 1: with the zaf for tennis coaches too? Oh? Really? Right on?
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I'll find you guys.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you guys. Dream you know. I appreciate
Speaker 1: that they knew how to tap into the one sport
Speaker 1: that I could talk about, and there they were. They
Speaker 1: were very good guests. I like that Massi is back,
Speaker 1: which is great. He went on to become a time
Speaker 1: traveling hero. That was another show I watched, Sha Heroes.
Speaker 1: I watched that all the way through Ye by the way,
Speaker 1: a couple of goose I had goose bumps multiple times
Speaker 1: in this episode. The first was nine six when they're
Speaker 1: playing pool in the bar and Ben's hand is still
Speaker 1: bleeding and the look Cox gives to j D. It
Speaker 1: really moved me because for inspitement, because I was reading
Speaker 1: your essays and now was all emotional, Shay, but I
Speaker 1: went my first reaction was Cox can't hide the fact
Speaker 1: that he respects j D is a doctor to know
Speaker 1: that he'll know what that could mean immediately, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? It was like, you know, Cox
Speaker 1: is always frounning, like oh your girl's name and j
Speaker 1: D you sucking but obviously under undercurrent trying to build
Speaker 1: him up. But that was a moment of shock where
Speaker 1: he looked to it as a peer, as a peer
Speaker 1: and when you know what that could mean. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: like so you see you see him do it in
Speaker 1: the in the pilot, it was like the first time
Speaker 1: he expresses some sort of like not admiration, but like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna grab ahold of you and take it,
Speaker 1: take care of you. And then this time was the
Speaker 1: first time when he he didn't say anything. There's no
Speaker 1: words at all. He just looks and he knows, and
Speaker 1: j D knows, and the only person who doesn't know
Speaker 1: in that moment has Ben. He's like, oh it's about
Speaker 1: I was really gone by the respect that he should.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously in his mind wasn't I'm going to
Speaker 1: now respect this person. It was just it didn't he
Speaker 1: didn't have a moment to put on his airs if
Speaker 1: you will. He didn't have a moment to put on
Speaker 1: his front. He just had an instant reaction to a
Speaker 1: fellow doctor and when oh, fuck, you know what this
Speaker 1: could mean. It's totally it's it's totally different than when
Speaker 1: you see him at the very beginning of the next
Speaker 1: episode when he walks into the room and j D
Speaker 1: and and Jordan's and Ben are in there, and j
Speaker 1: D is doing the thing about like we you know
Speaker 1: you do. You don't need a we don't need a resident.
Speaker 1: We need like a hero. And then he comes walking
Speaker 1: in and now now he's prepared for the situation and
Speaker 1: doing the whole thing. But yeah, you're exactly right in
Speaker 1: that moment, and then um and the second time. First
Speaker 1: of all, I just want to say a ten o five.
Speaker 1: There was a really cool transition moment that Larry Trilling
Speaker 1: did from I love how they went from the bar
Speaker 1: right to the exam room. That was cool. Before we before,
Speaker 1: before we move forward with that, you know, he says,
Speaker 1: I've never asked you out for a beer before, but
Speaker 1: he had asked you out for a beer before. And
Speaker 1: that was when he lost his ship and tore up
Speaker 1: the UH lab that day. UH and he was having
Speaker 1: his worst day and you got caught up in it.
Speaker 1: He does invite you out for a beer. You guys
Speaker 1: go to a bar and you drink beer and you
Speaker 1: drink together. Actually, so that was very weird that he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I've never asked you out. Maybe
Speaker 1: he'd blocked it out. Whatever. I'm just you know, you're
Speaker 1: just trying to show off that you're like scrubs wicky guy.
Speaker 1: I'm to a lot of laughter on on my Insta
Speaker 1: comments about scrubs wicky Guy. They were like someone was
Speaker 1: like that guy pulled a total Dorian uh um and
Speaker 1: that people were just laughing about how but no, friends, Trevor,
Speaker 1: we we we we got you. Now you're gonna be
Speaker 1: our scrubs wicky guy, right, Donald. I mean, he doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily want him, but I kind of like that about
Speaker 1: his character. But I kind of like that about his
Speaker 1: character in the show. He's like a reluctant. He like
Speaker 1: a reluctant. He's reluctant. So, yeah, that's what you think
Speaker 1: of it as like the hero's journey. In the beginning,
Speaker 1: you don't really want to do it. Once you get
Speaker 1: on board, you're off to a adventure. That adventure of
Speaker 1: a lifetime. Yeah, Trevor, by the time we do a
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty two episodes, you'll be happy that you
Speaker 1: came along on the journey. And the other moment, at
Speaker 1: the other moment, we got go goose bumps. As I
Speaker 1: said earlier, Um, that's that that Shade writes about it
Speaker 1: in his essay. Uh was when j d read the
Speaker 1: chart and sees that Ben has leukemia and Carla comes
Speaker 1: up and she says, are you okay? And I just
Speaker 1: say no, And it was just really really powerful because
Speaker 1: it was one of those moments that she's talking about
Speaker 1: where there's just been a silly moment of the fantasy
Speaker 1: of what happens in that in that blood test guy's office,
Speaker 1: and and and and and Doug being you know Doug,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, bam, we just dropped
Speaker 1: in with, Hey, this guy we just made you fall
Speaker 1: in love with he's got leukemia. She's so good and
Speaker 1: like every single moment, like she has this this like
Speaker 1: like her player efficiency rating has got to be fucking outrageous,
Speaker 1: which is like you know what I'm saying, Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: if you were playing, if you were playing uh NBA
Speaker 1: two k she's like ninety six, just straight up like
Speaker 1: she's a glitch mode man, Judy. At that time, I
Speaker 1: think that she is incredible actress and in the show
Speaker 1: she was the perfect tool to use for moments like
Speaker 1: this because she was the heart, you know, she was
Speaker 1: the heart of She was the conscience and the heart
Speaker 1: for everybody, at least the first two seasons. I think
Speaker 1: as the show went on, she you know, she became
Speaker 1: as much of a uh character as we you know,
Speaker 1: as all of us did. But in the first two seasons,
Speaker 1: she was definitely the grounding factor to all of you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, to everything. So then we go
Speaker 1: into this fantasy that we don't know as a fantasy
Speaker 1: delivery into the show. Um, and all of this happens
Speaker 1: in Jad's imagination, which which again we talked about it
Speaker 1: early in this podcast, but you know that totally foreshadows
Speaker 1: the giant mislead we do in season three with with
Speaker 1: Johnny not knowing that that that Ben's gone. Um. So
Speaker 1: it's just really interesting that that Bill not only introduced
Speaker 1: Ben for for the long haul, but then mirrored that
Speaker 1: sort of wacky fantasy structure. Well, so, when when when
Speaker 1: you reached out and asked which episode I wanted to
Speaker 1: be like if I could, if I wanted to be
Speaker 1: on a thing that That was the whole reason that
Speaker 1: I ended up picking this one, because I think this
Speaker 1: episode in season one especially is like the one episode
Speaker 1: where we see the most amount of tricks that Scrubs
Speaker 1: is able to pull off that maybe a lot of
Speaker 1: shows aren't. So so if we have if we like
Speaker 1: put a list together, you have that great scene where
Speaker 1: where Elliott makes yourself cry to get the to to
Speaker 1: redo the thing right. So this is like her being
Speaker 1: very silly in this situation. But to do that as
Speaker 1: an actor, I imagine, is incredibly tricky, just like pull
Speaker 1: that out of you. So you have her doing that.
Speaker 1: You have Carlo with j D in the hallway and
Speaker 1: Carla is doing her quick missile strike right here where
Speaker 1: she's just like gonna pump a scene full of emotion.
Speaker 1: You have the thing where they're playing with timelines, which
Speaker 1: they used to even greater effect later on. You have
Speaker 1: the gag with we we we find out that the
Speaker 1: janitor is in like the background of all of these pictures.
Speaker 1: There's so much we have. We have Dr Cox using
Speaker 1: his serious voice, he didn't do it very often, but
Speaker 1: when he does it, you feel it. When he gives
Speaker 1: he tells j D like your only job today as
Speaker 1: he gets these test results back, like you love to
Speaker 1: see him drop everything to do that. You have to
Speaker 1: sticking up for j D. You have Brendan Fraser swooping
Speaker 1: in and being just like the perfect cameo character where
Speaker 1: you you have to be able to tell a joke,
Speaker 1: but you also have to be able to stick this landing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're just so much stuff going on. This one episode
Speaker 1: is perfect. By the way, Shaw, you just made me
Speaker 1: think of something else, which was Sarah's a bit which
Speaker 1: she really did live on camera obviously, which which actors
Speaker 1: often have to do and can always do, but Sarah
Speaker 1: does literally live on camera. Here is get themselves in
Speaker 1: a headspace where they can produce tears, and that moment
Speaker 1: um really encapsulates exactly what you're talking about in it
Speaker 1: Scrubs being able to dance between comedy and drama, because
Speaker 1: what Sarah's doing is very funny, but if you look
Speaker 1: at the words she's saying to get herself to cry,
Speaker 1: it's very seriously, it's the painful stuff from her life
Speaker 1: and trying to impress her father and whatever whatever she
Speaker 1: was saying. But it was like happening simultaneously, is this
Speaker 1: thing you're laughing at, But what the woman is saying
Speaker 1: is is so sash, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: then it ends with her with tears streaming down her face.
Speaker 1: It was a really great acting woman for Sarah. She's amazing.
Speaker 1: Um what about Chop Chop Nancy Rappio, I remember that, dude.
Speaker 1: I remember that day. I remember. I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the first times where I was having a hard
Speaker 1: time with lines. I remember Chop Chop Nancy. No. I
Speaker 1: had the whole thing where I was like, just gonna
Speaker 1: go back there and you're gonna do this and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. I think that was one of the first
Speaker 1: times where I was like, I didn't study this. Oh shit. Uh.
Speaker 1: Leonard makes an appearance here without a hook arm, though
Speaker 1: without a hook on his hand. So what is the story.
Speaker 1: I read on scrubs Wicky that the guy wrote perhaps
Speaker 1: this episode is before his ice machine accident. I think
Speaker 1: it is. I didn't. I didn't remember that that Leonard
Speaker 1: had lost his arm in an ice machine accident. Did
Speaker 1: you either? But I love that I love that on
Speaker 1: Scrubs Wiki. It's like this may have occurred before, but
Speaker 1: I have to because he had a hand. So for
Speaker 1: those of you don't remember, that's Randall Winston, our line
Speaker 1: producer who not only played Death but also played Leonard.
Speaker 1: This is his first appearance in his wig um and
Speaker 1: the throw wasn't that big yet either. It's like he
Speaker 1: was he was keeping his throw tighter right, but he
Speaker 1: does he does not yet have a hook. Cand This
Speaker 1: might be I believe the only appearance of Leonard without
Speaker 1: his hook can so the ice Machine. But then again, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm going all over the place. But this was a fantasy,
Speaker 1: So maybe in Jad's weird daydream, Leonard didn't have He
Speaker 1: didn't recognize Leonard had a hook yet. He had been
Speaker 1: paying enough attention. I hadn't noticed Leonard had a hook yet,
Speaker 1: so when I had a fantasy, that seems like something
Speaker 1: you would notice. Though, I just want to I've probably
Speaker 1: noticed that. Um. So it took me a moment because
Speaker 1: I've forgotten. Well, I wanted to just mention in eighteen
Speaker 1: six again, Brendan took all those pictures and they're pretty
Speaker 1: great pictures. I believe Christy still save the bunch of them,
Speaker 1: um and um, and then j D. Yeah. So then
Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised by that reveal. You know again,
Speaker 1: I've watched these in twenty years. I thought it was
Speaker 1: cool to see this, you know, And and Bill was
Speaker 1: smart directorially and writing wise. You needed something very specific
Speaker 1: to make the audience go, this is the exact same moment.
Speaker 1: You need a device because the audience is gonna especially
Speaker 1: track it. Keep in mind when people watching these, they
Speaker 1: had commercial breaks in and everything, so that you need
Speaker 1: the audience to make sure they tracked that whole run.
Speaker 1: And he came up with the device of the exact
Speaker 1: playing cards on their foreheads. Right. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: He also made it seem like it was a curveball.
Speaker 1: That's you know, not only did it curve, but the
Speaker 1: ship was a change up to you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like because you don't think that the whole thing is
Speaker 1: a day dream. You think, just when he gets the
Speaker 1: the paper the second time and he meets uh uh
Speaker 1: Brendan Fraser outside, you think that's all the fans, that's
Speaker 1: just the fantasy. I'm gonna go out there and hey man,
Speaker 1: it's just leukemia. It's not leukemia. You're you're fine, and
Speaker 1: I was wrong. I was wrong, and you know, the
Speaker 1: circle comes around and it's got this weird you think, okay,
Speaker 1: so this parts the fantasy. And I expected you to
Speaker 1: be at the door of the exit telling him, no, dude,
Speaker 1: here's what I think you need to you need to
Speaker 1: come back inside. Actually, and it doesn't even do that.
Speaker 1: It jumps all the way back to the moment, and
Speaker 1: so it was like it was like a not It
Speaker 1: wasn't just one pump fake. It was like he was
Speaker 1: under the rim giving you the dream shake, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like and then you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny about that fantasy. You know, it's
Speaker 1: the writing is such that it's supposed to be. Oh,
Speaker 1: Ben says he doesn't like post pictures. You'll know it's
Speaker 1: a fantasy because here we are taking a post picture.
Speaker 1: But what tipped it off even more from me was
Speaker 1: that Kelso is happily getting in a picture with everyone
Speaker 1: was like, would never want to do with these? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's it, guys. I think we did the
Speaker 1: whole We did the whole episode. Yeah we did. Jay,
Speaker 1: did you have fun? Are you glad you did this?
Speaker 1: I'm really glad. This is like, you know, part of
Speaker 1: me is like, these are two guys who I have
Speaker 1: been watching for so long. I'm kind of nervous to
Speaker 1: me and I don't really like to meet the people
Speaker 1: who I admire because what if it turns out there
Speaker 1: dicks me? So I had that in my head. But no,
Speaker 1: you're cool. I hope you're You're better than I was.
Speaker 1: You come back on? Will you come back on? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll come back on later on after you'll do all
Speaker 1: of the other stuff for sure, because I I have
Speaker 1: a feeling what's going to happen on all of our
Speaker 1: social media is every one's gonna say she was the best.
Speaker 1: Guess you need to have Shay back all the time.
Speaker 1: Carol Melbart definitely hash check whatever happened. We don't know.
Speaker 1: He freaking we went into the party and he got
Speaker 1: he got jumped to something like that. He definitely died
Speaker 1: on the show. In real life, he's still working, but
Speaker 1: on this show. You know, he has a twin brother, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I remember one night we were out and his
Speaker 1: twin brother. Everybody thought his twin brother was him, and
Speaker 1: they were coming up to him going pedro pedro and
Speaker 1: as I recalled the twin rolling with loving it and
Speaker 1: he was like, don't tell anybody. I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say ship, dude, I thought that I thought
Speaker 1: you were the other one. Oh. I had people telling
Speaker 1: me that. I'm always say that's funny, like Manny Moore's
Speaker 1: character does on the and then I need to stop
Speaker 1: saying that. Donald. I had someone write that to me.
Speaker 1: You guys did date. Maybe that rubbed off on you.
Speaker 1: Well I don't know if that's the case, but alright, guys,
Speaker 1: I want to that out. I want to know you
Speaker 1: can leave it. Uh listen. Shays handle on Twitter at
Speaker 1: Shay Serrano s h e A s E r r
Speaker 1: A and O follow him on there. He is one
Speaker 1: of the most popular fellows on Twitter. He does a
Speaker 1: lot of amazing Just talk for a second, shape before
Speaker 1: we go about this cool thing you do with the
Speaker 1: fo h army telling people what that is. She will
Speaker 1: have like drives for people that need help. He'll be like,
Speaker 1: all right, who's whose bills are we paying this week?
Speaker 1: And then he'll like, just ven move them cash. So
Speaker 1: just talk about it for a second. Yeah, that's like
Speaker 1: the silly, little sort of guerrilla philanthropy thing we started
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, or it was like after
Speaker 1: we had enough people follow me on Twitter, or we
Speaker 1: were all grouped up together. If we gotta get a
Speaker 1: hundred two hundred three hundred thousand people following, we could
Speaker 1: raise a lot of money real fast if everybody sends
Speaker 1: like a dollar or two dollars or whatever. And so
Speaker 1: you know, we started doing that and then yeah, when
Speaker 1: the coronavirus stuff hit, when the Black Lives Matter movement
Speaker 1: started up, um, after the George Floyd to murder, and
Speaker 1: we're like, you know, we're gonna try to help out
Speaker 1: in any situation we can. So like people will send
Speaker 1: stuff to me and like all right, cool, we're gonna
Speaker 1: fund this. We're gonna send some money out. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think like since March twelve, it's been you know,
Speaker 1: two dollars of just like straight cash we've given to
Speaker 1: places of people, and the people give you, I think,
Speaker 1: just from following you to some people who can afford it,
Speaker 1: give you like large sums and hey say hey, Shay,
Speaker 1: distribute this. Every once in a while, somebody will hit
Speaker 1: me up, like in my D M s W and
Speaker 1: be like, hey, I don't want you to like say
Speaker 1: where this came from, but like, here's five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Can you pay bills for people? Until this has gone?
Speaker 1: Like that happens every once in a while. Mostly though,
Speaker 1: it's like we're all gonna chip in five bucks, ten
Speaker 1: bucks and see what happens. That's really awesome that it's
Speaker 1: really and he's so sweet about it. People will write
Speaker 1: him things like, oh, thank you so much, say I'm
Speaker 1: having trouble with my bills, and he's like, fuck that noise,
Speaker 1: and he'll send them money. It's awesome, awesome, Um, all right, everybody,
Speaker 1: that's the episode. I want to thank, we want to
Speaker 1: thank on behalf of my co host And I say,
Speaker 1: you're an awesome guest, right Donald, amazing guests. Well, dude,
Speaker 1: this was this was you know, uh, always you never
Speaker 1: know how your guests are gonna be. And you're somebody
Speaker 1: who wasn't on the show. Uh, but you fit in
Speaker 1: so well man, and your insight on our show. I'm
Speaker 1: dead serious, man, your insight on our show is it's
Speaker 1: very awesome. Man, Like I I appreciate and since and
Speaker 1: since the old Caramel Bear died, I think you can
Speaker 1: be and I just hope that. I just hope that
Speaker 1: my persona on this podcast has made Laramie like me
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Um, I know that it was
Speaker 1: j I know it was j D. She didn't love
Speaker 1: but maybe maybe she'll like Zach. She loves Garden State,
Speaker 1: So you're good. Alright, question everybody, Yeah you should have
Speaker 1: been in it. All right? Listen, everybody go to go
Speaker 1: to um Donald phase Donald underscore aison. That's I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get all the zac's followers. Y'all need to come
Speaker 1: over to the dark side. All right, come over to Okay,
Speaker 1: that's one way to put join join me, and together
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Speaker 1: you will you come when we come to Houston? Shay,
Speaker 1: are you still in Houston. I'm in San Antonio now,
Speaker 1: but if y'all make it to Texas, I'll show up.
Speaker 1: Well wait, hold on, now, I heard something about Tim
Speaker 1: Duncan and that being your favorite player of all times.
Speaker 1: Why why Tim Duncan? Why before we go? Why this
Speaker 1: doesn't even have to be on the podcast. I just
Speaker 1: need to know this because Tim is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite players too. He's not my favorite player. Why Tim Duncan? Okay,
Speaker 1: let me tell you that there's a very personal connection
Speaker 1: that Tim Duncan has with San Antonio and that he
Speaker 1: showed up and all of a sudden a city that
Speaker 1: had an inferiority complex. You know, we're not as as
Speaker 1: hip as Austin, We're not as cool as as as
Speaker 1: Houston or whatever. They beat us in the playoffs. Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. He shows up and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we have the guy on our team that everybody is
Speaker 1: afraid of, and he's going to war and he's not
Speaker 1: backing down. You gotta fucking kill this guy in the
Speaker 1: playoffs if you want to beat him. He shows up,
Speaker 1: he delivers five championships for us. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we have the we I think he's the fifth or
Speaker 1: sixth greatest basketball player of all time. We have him
Speaker 1: on our team. He he allows you in your chest
Speaker 1: to feel like a winner, to feel like a Champian.
Speaker 1: You know how it feels when the team that you
Speaker 1: love wins a thing and you feel like you're a
Speaker 1: part of it. It's like Jeter to New York Man.
Speaker 1: That's a or Cole Wilkinson in the original caste. That's
Speaker 1: what That's what Tim Duncan did. So I love him
Speaker 1: forever for that. I I hear you, man. I feel
Speaker 1: like he had a lot of really good uh if
Speaker 1: it was the Justice League, he had a lot of
Speaker 1: good supporting characters he's Superman. He definitely had a Batman
Speaker 1: and it switched off between Genoble and Tony Parker. Uh,
Speaker 1: those guys were those guys were great, but those were
Speaker 1: not players you could take and put on other teams,
Speaker 1: and they Enoble maybe Jenoble maybe maybe you know, maybe
Speaker 1: Tony and his in his younger years. Anyway, not Tony,
Speaker 1: not as much as Jenoble though, and when he shut
Speaker 1: up Man and when he got there. He also had
Speaker 1: the Admiral David Robinson. He did that big Day've only
Speaker 1: got one? He got five? Yeah, yeah, no, Dave got
Speaker 1: to none of them. None of them are as good
Speaker 1: as Mike Jaminski. All right, we gotta go. We love you,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Shay. I hope we could be real friends
Speaker 1: in real life. I think you and Donald might hit
Speaker 1: it off really well. I think so too. He's like
Speaker 1: he's like he's like he was a dick when I
Speaker 1: first met him. I got out of a little That's
Speaker 1: what I got out of the thing. You're super super thing.
Speaker 1: Now you're on your phone a lot. The one thing
Speaker 1: about that say I got was like down sitting between
Speaker 1: two fans and he's on his phone, like talk to
Speaker 1: your fans Jack, Maybe this white peoplett to follow you
Speaker 1: on Instagram five six, seven, eight Stories about sure we
Speaker 1: made about a bunch of docs and nurses and janitor
Speaker 1: who loved me. I said he's a Stories should so
Speaker 1: get around you? Here are yet around? Here? Are you? No?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm