Speaker 1: We should start right off because I have some ideas. Ahead, Johnny,
Speaker 1: go ahead, because you have you guys have to grind this.
Speaker 1: And I'm so excited that some things occurred to me
Speaker 1: while I was watching this thing. I love it when
Speaker 1: you come on, you know why, because you come prepared.
Speaker 1: You're like, you're as prepared as Donald and I You're like,
Speaker 1: you're wound up. Well I am. Look going back and
Speaker 1: watching this, first of all, it's hard not to feel
Speaker 1: really proud of it. Yeah, and this one I thought
Speaker 1: deserved some backdrop because the one last Week one is
Speaker 1: a spectacular episode. Zach. You're particularly great in that episode
Speaker 1: with Sarah and then the monologues with the shrink let
Speaker 1: the whole ensemble just shine. And I busted my ass
Speaker 1: on those monologues because the writing was astonished and you
Speaker 1: noticed there's no cuts. I mean, we were clearly all
Speaker 1: told that they Yeah, they were, especially since Donald knew it,
Speaker 1: so we were clearly all old that there would be
Speaker 1: no cuts. But what I thought was really interesting and
Speaker 1: maybe interesting for people listening is a little bit of context.
Speaker 1: And what I mean is because in this episode, it's
Speaker 1: it became clear to me just how jelled the ensemble
Speaker 1: is whether it's Kenny and Judy, you and Me, Zachie
Speaker 1: Donald and Sarah, the thing is just water tight. And
Speaker 1: the reason is because I think now, as we discussed already,
Speaker 1: nine eleven had already occurred, were round about the middle
Speaker 1: of December here, and so what happened in New York,
Speaker 1: which I'll circle this back, was the New York Yankees
Speaker 1: lost the World Series in seven games to the Arizona Diamondbacks.
Speaker 1: And the only reason that's relevant is because they lost.
Speaker 1: There was no ticker Tape parade in New York City,
Speaker 1: so we were invited to the Thanksgiving Parade in New
Speaker 1: York City, and it was the first taste of real
Speaker 1: rock star for all of us because we worked till
Speaker 1: Wednesday night until about and this was a week or
Speaker 1: two before this episode, and then we were whisked off
Speaker 1: to l a X where we occupied the entire front
Speaker 1: of first class. There was only one other person. There
Speaker 1: were only one other, that's right, and it was a
Speaker 1: It was a boy band. It was like uh, oh
Speaker 1: Town or something like that. We shared first class. It
Speaker 1: was the cast of Scrubs and oh Town. I remember.
Speaker 1: It might as well have been a private plane. It wasn't.
Speaker 1: But it was first class. It wasn't coach, it was
Speaker 1: first It wasn't business class, it was first class. And
Speaker 1: we were going to New York to participate in the
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day Parade. Now, remember there had been no mass
Speaker 1: gatherings allowed in New York since that Tuesday morning in September.
Speaker 1: There's just wasn't allowed. The Yankees were supposed to be there,
Speaker 1: but they weren't. So we fly overnight, and you guys
Speaker 1: can chime in, but we fly overnight, we go, we're
Speaker 1: deposited at some chapel on the Upper West Side somewhere.
Speaker 1: We didn't even go to the hotel. We just they
Speaker 1: dropped us off at the freaking parade. We were like
Speaker 1: lying on the on the ground in the chapel. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And we got sideways on the plane. Yeah, sideways as
Speaker 1: you do. And and then we we got up and Zachy,
Speaker 1: I think you brought your nephew onto the float. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did. And it was a quasi racist kind of
Speaker 1: Pocahona's float. Um. And they've gotten they've gotten rid of
Speaker 1: some of those since then, I think, Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: absolutely I think, Well, here's the Scrubs cast and a
Speaker 1: quasi racist Pocahona's float on the upper west side and
Speaker 1: the staging area, and who pulls up behind us but
Speaker 1: the Wiggles in the big red car. Now, I had
Speaker 1: gone to Wiggles concerts with my son every time they're
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles for the last couple of years. I
Speaker 1: was eating, sleeping, and drinking the Wiggles. So I got
Speaker 1: off the float and I went back to the big
Speaker 1: Red car and induced myself to Murray and Jeff and
Speaker 1: I introduced myself to everybody, and I became friends with
Speaker 1: the Wiggles, and I am to this day. Do you
Speaker 1: hang out with the Wiggles? Still? Not really, but I
Speaker 1: did a video for them, and I they became my friends. There.
Speaker 1: My memory started to interrupt. One second, Johnny, My memory
Speaker 1: is that my nephew was a very outspoken kid and
Speaker 1: not shy at all. And I don't know how old
Speaker 1: he was, but he was little, and we wanted to
Speaker 1: be like nine, dude, no younger and younger younger. He
Speaker 1: was a little kid. And so Al Roke, we're off
Speaker 1: the flow at one point and Al Roker is interviewing us,
Speaker 1: and he goes and I'm here with the cast of
Speaker 1: Scrubs and I've got Johnny c McGinley, Donald Fason is
Speaker 1: going around introducing the whole cast and my nephe and
Speaker 1: this is live television. And my nephew goes, what about me?
Speaker 1: And Al Roker? It's awkward, and Al Roker ignores him
Speaker 1: and starts so tell us about the show. Got interrupts
Speaker 1: him again, what about me? And finally Al feels bad
Speaker 1: enough that he's like, I'm sorry, young man, you're right,
Speaker 1: and what's your name? And then he introduces himself. But
Speaker 1: I was like, it was my first nay throwing gang
Speaker 1: signs to like he didn't he didn't, he didn't know
Speaker 1: any like real gang signs, but he had seen on
Speaker 1: TV how how how rappers and whomever throw gang signs.
Speaker 1: So we're on the float and he's like throwing these
Speaker 1: like almost gang signs. When I when I spoke to
Speaker 1: Al Roker after after he cut, I said, how how
Speaker 1: is this for a turnout? And he said, this will
Speaker 1: be the largest turnout in the history of the Macy's
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day prayed and I said, will give me an estimate,
Speaker 1: and he said, they'll be about three and a half
Speaker 1: million people here. And so every time we went through
Speaker 1: an intersection, and I'll wrap the story up in a minute.
Speaker 1: But every time we went down an intersection, you could
Speaker 1: see it was a hundred to two hundred people deep
Speaker 1: at every intersection. I've never seen that many people. I
Speaker 1: never will in my life. Yeah, it was. That was.
Speaker 1: I remember being like, wow, there are so many people here,
Speaker 1: and we were on the float and every You're right,
Speaker 1: every time we passed an intersection it looked like it
Speaker 1: went so deep into the intersection. I remember thinking, how
Speaker 1: are all of these people? It was like sardines too,
Speaker 1: Like they were packed together because nobody had been allowed
Speaker 1: nobody had been allowed to gather since that Tuesday. And
Speaker 1: another thing I remember is that my nephew was was
Speaker 1: on the float and he I thought, oh, this will
Speaker 1: be fun for him. He was he was bored in
Speaker 1: thirty seconds, right, And I was like, oh funk, I
Speaker 1: gotta take care of this kid for a whole parade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had to. It's all the way from Uptown, all
Speaker 1: the way to Macon. Yeah. And he's throwing his gang
Speaker 1: signs for a while and then he got bored of that.
Speaker 1: And then there was like an upstairs in the float.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was like it was like
Speaker 1: in Pocahona's Head or something. Well it was a multi
Speaker 1: tiered ship. Yeah, but even like in the in the
Speaker 1: in the non outside area, there was some spot he
Speaker 1: found and then he went up there and he found
Speaker 1: bubble wrap and I was like, okay, fucking bubble wrap
Speaker 1: will entertain him for a little while. Then he got
Speaker 1: over the but he was stopping on the bubble wrap
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is I'm never having kids,
Speaker 1: This is like the worst. What about my My only
Speaker 1: point bringing this up, and I'll circle it back, was that.
Speaker 1: And also remember a couple of weeks earlier, actually about
Speaker 1: a month earlier, we had been picked up for the
Speaker 1: back nine, and we ran around the hospital with their
Speaker 1: HUDs cut off, and so that meant you had paychecks
Speaker 1: until May, the first week of night or so, because
Speaker 1: in TV you only get paid for episodes produced, and
Speaker 1: so they just you know, it just let's explain to
Speaker 1: people who don't know the show was was picked up
Speaker 1: for the first thirteen episodes, and they kind of see
Speaker 1: how you do in the ratings, and then if you
Speaker 1: do well enough in the ratings, you get the rest
Speaker 1: of the order, which which is in in in business
Speaker 1: talk is called the back nine, meaning you get the
Speaker 1: get nine more episodes, and we had been given that
Speaker 1: news about a month earlier, and we ran around the
Speaker 1: hospital like we'd won the Stanley Cuppers. I remember. And
Speaker 1: my only point in this is that between getting picked
Speaker 1: Up and now about fifteen or sixteen episodes into it,
Speaker 1: and I can see it in this episode as well
Speaker 1: discuss but the ensemble is water tight. Whether it meant
Speaker 1: going on a trip together or getting picked up, people
Speaker 1: are starting to vibe off each other. And it's as
Speaker 1: clear as day when I was watching it. It's just
Speaker 1: what Donald and Sarah are doing. As you guys know,
Speaker 1: I think the camera is an X ray machine and
Speaker 1: it sees through all the bullshit and what they're doing together,
Speaker 1: there's zero bullshit. And what Zach is doing at the
Speaker 1: end with Sarah in that in that on that cot,
Speaker 1: there's no bullshit. It's it's just tight and right. And
Speaker 1: I just got a chill. It just it really got me.
Speaker 1: You gave me a chill too, because I gotta tell
Speaker 1: I didn't remember in that scene with Sarah what happened.
Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was going to turn romantic.
Speaker 1: I didn't know if I cried, I couldn't remember, and
Speaker 1: I was actually moved by the two of us because
Speaker 1: nothing happens like I agree, I agree, like like you
Speaker 1: like would happen in real life. You know in the movies,
Speaker 1: we'd kiss. In the movies, I break down and cry.
Speaker 1: In real life two friends might just sit there in
Speaker 1: silence for a minute. And I just thought that was
Speaker 1: beautifully done. I think it's the real privilege of friendship
Speaker 1: when nothing does happen, so that I don't have to
Speaker 1: demonstrate to you anything and you don't have to demonstrate
Speaker 1: anything to me. And real friendship is when stuff is allowed.
Speaker 1: And it's a tricky verb to settle, and you guys
Speaker 1: let it settle in front of the lens, and as
Speaker 1: well discussed Will mackenzie, he just let the scene play
Speaker 1: and the two actors it's really lovely. And on a
Speaker 1: primetime comedy, it's spectacular. It's spectacular. Should we start the show, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we should have to show. But I think Johnny,
Speaker 1: because of that beautiful prologue, should should have the honor
Speaker 1: of counting us into the song. Lee seven eight, sorry
Speaker 1: about show. We made about a bunch of nurses around here,
Speaker 1: so I've been using this scrubs Wicky, Johnny that that
Speaker 1: is scrubs I've heard you referenced by the way you
Speaker 1: guys are killing this podcast a lot of scrubs wick
Speaker 1: scrubs Wiki is uh. If you just put in um
Speaker 1: scrubs wicky into into the Google machine, it brings you
Speaker 1: up this um. This thing that I guess multiple fans are.
Speaker 1: One fan has curated. It's on a website called fandom
Speaker 1: dot com. I guess it's a place where where fans
Speaker 1: can collect trivia and share stories. And you know, it's
Speaker 1: a fan site. But someone, and I'm thinking it might
Speaker 1: be one person, has put a lot of work into
Speaker 1: this because every episode it has the synopsis that has
Speaker 1: recurring themes, it has guest stars, it has the famous quotes,
Speaker 1: and it has trivia from each episode. And today and
Speaker 1: I often referenced it, and today I went to look
Speaker 1: at the trivia and the first line of trivia it says,
Speaker 1: Hi Zack, exclamation point, glad you're enjoying scrubs Wicky. Have
Speaker 1: me on the podcast question mark, have Joel searched for
Speaker 1: my email? So I've been discovered by the curator of
Speaker 1: scrubs Wicky as a as an avid fan. But I
Speaker 1: will have Joel seek you out and I and I
Speaker 1: have to tell you've done a fantastic job because it's
Speaker 1: very useful. I can find out all sorts of of trivia,
Speaker 1: Like Kelso mentions Baxter for the very first time in
Speaker 1: this episode. There's a lot of trivia in here. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting stuff. So I think Joel says
Speaker 1: she's gonna track him down. And this felon uh knows
Speaker 1: a lot about scrubs, so I think it might be
Speaker 1: fun to have him all we can. We can try
Speaker 1: and stump him. Well, let me get to you at
Speaker 1: at at early on, at a minute or two in
Speaker 1: you and Sarah in the batting cage, you Zach, why
Speaker 1: am I at at the batting kids? You know? Well,
Speaker 1: it's as Donald was, Donald knows. No one says you
Speaker 1: don't even play sports. There's no no one's ever said
Speaker 1: that in the history of the English language. Which is
Speaker 1: great writing. And you deliver like you really know sports.
Speaker 1: But I mean you and Sarah in there. You redeem
Speaker 1: yourself from early on when you get bricks dropped on
Speaker 1: your head and you anticipated it. You don't anticipate the
Speaker 1: bean ball in this and neither to Sarah. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you committed. Yeah, we did. I did
Speaker 1: not flinch. I was not gonna let that happen again,
Speaker 1: Johnny from that from happen again, and and and it's
Speaker 1: hard to you know, to anticipate, uh, to not anticipate
Speaker 1: a softball being thrown at your head. Well, you both
Speaker 1: did it, and as a result, it's it's Charlie Chaplin funny.
Speaker 1: But why is why is j D at the batting gage?
Speaker 1: He's not even with turk like maybe one thing, one thing,
Speaker 1: give you a good turk like turk made me come
Speaker 1: I'm alone at the batting gages. Yeah, neither one of
Speaker 1: you played sports, neither one of you playing baseball, neither
Speaker 1: one of you in real life too. But I think Sarah,
Speaker 1: like in high school, Sarah was like on the shot
Speaker 1: put team. Yeah, who's on the shot I've never heard
Speaker 1: Sarah talk about a single sport, have you. She's a
Speaker 1: good snowboard right, hyeah, she's Canadian. I think that's a
Speaker 1: rule up there. You gotta be able to ski or snowboard.
Speaker 1: But she, um, she Yeah, I just didn't understand that
Speaker 1: bit of writing. Mike Schwartz. We should say he was
Speaker 1: the writer of this episode, along with as Johnny mentioned,
Speaker 1: Will mackenzie, who is a concredible director and directed Everybody's
Speaker 1: a lot of people's favorite episode, the musical episode. Will
Speaker 1: mackenzie is famous on set for the way he says
Speaker 1: actadim yeah and and cut yeah do it? Did you remember?
Speaker 1: Do you remember, Johnny? He does, But he also does this.
Speaker 1: So he was coming into the room, he sums up
Speaker 1: the scene. He's like, okay, and here comes Donald and
Speaker 1: he's mad about what carl And just did and action
Speaker 1: and I think he's he's directed a zillion sitcoms to
Speaker 1: I mean, he was, he was, you know, he's a
Speaker 1: legendary TV director. He's I think he's retired, I imagine now,
Speaker 1: but he uh is just a legend and a pretty
Speaker 1: good tennis player apparently. And that's yeah, that's what I heard.
Speaker 1: That's what you heard. I heard. Will can make it.
Speaker 1: So you're running around while he's standing in one place.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of directors that when you showed
Speaker 1: up on set on Monday morning, you saw who it
Speaker 1: was and you just had a big old smile on
Speaker 1: your face. And Will mackenzie was always one of those
Speaker 1: guys for all of us, we just would like he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, he just just felt like a grandfather,
Speaker 1: uh figure because he was an older guy, but he
Speaker 1: had so much experience and he had a big old
Speaker 1: smile on his face, and I just I love that guy.
Speaker 1: Also in this in this episode, some of the I
Speaker 1: don't know how to say this, some of the peripheral characters,
Speaker 1: whether it's Sammy, which I'll get to in a minute,
Speaker 1: or Neil as a janitor get to really shine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and the janitor and uh, I guess I think
Speaker 1: one oh three when he says girl problems. Uh, and
Speaker 1: then you say, and then Cox says, I'd say they're
Speaker 1: a beak up and the button is at least they're
Speaker 1: real laugh out, I'm steal and Zachie's laugh out loud.
Speaker 1: I did. I laughed out loud at that man. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's funny, because you know, we keep
Speaker 1: working with Bill Johnny because he's he's hanging on by
Speaker 1: his fingernails to this old lord that the janitor barely
Speaker 1: talked to anybody in season one and and he was
Speaker 1: just still deciding by the time he started season two
Speaker 1: if he was gonna make the janitor solely a figment
Speaker 1: of Jad's imagination. He is and me and and every
Speaker 1: episode the janitors talking to a different and Donald and I.
Speaker 1: Donald and I joked that we're like Detective is being like, well,
Speaker 1: how would Bill possibly rationalize this one? And uh, you
Speaker 1: know again, Bill would say, well, he's not interacting with Johnny. See,
Speaker 1: he just he just if he's if he's a figure
Speaker 1: of Jad's imagination. He hears what Cox says and just
Speaker 1: builds on it, you know. But but also I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep circling back with this, you could see. And in
Speaker 1: this case, it's just a simple, clean scene. Donald and
Speaker 1: Zack at two oh nine, when you take the phone
Speaker 1: call from your mom and you find out about Mr Peters,
Speaker 1: you two are just it's in carpentery. It's called tongue
Speaker 1: and groove. You guys are just effortless, and it it
Speaker 1: sets up the whole scene. There's a ton of narrow,
Speaker 1: expository stuff in it, and it's just effortless. And and
Speaker 1: it's only because of what you guys have become in
Speaker 1: those I guess seventeen or eighteen weeks by then, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember, well, I don't. I don't remember any of
Speaker 1: this episode except for the handshake, and I had no
Speaker 1: idea I even and when we did the handshake, I
Speaker 1: had no clue what Sarah and I like. I thought
Speaker 1: it was something that Sarah and I made up on
Speaker 1: set and it turned into something in the scene. But
Speaker 1: I think we made it up for the scene and
Speaker 1: it turned into something that we did on set. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we saw this handshake. Johnny and I had to endure
Speaker 1: this handshake get longer and longer. I think by the
Speaker 1: end of it. I think by the end of nine years,
Speaker 1: it took them an hour and a half to do
Speaker 1: the handshake, and that was to say hello to each other.
Speaker 1: During during the Vietnam War, I found out it was
Speaker 1: called a dap you adapt somebody, But wait now, Donald,
Speaker 1: you don't remember if you guys were just working around
Speaker 1: and made this up and then put it in the show,
Speaker 1: or I think it came from the handshake in the show.
Speaker 1: I think our handshake, we made it up for the
Speaker 1: show and then it turned into something that we did
Speaker 1: all the time when we saw each other. But that that,
Speaker 1: once again is what I'm talking about. It's effortless. It
Speaker 1: doesn't did you was complete with totally long and and
Speaker 1: then you guys throw it away and go right into
Speaker 1: the scene and that that's later on. But it's I
Speaker 1: was so struck by so many of these vignettes completely
Speaker 1: tongue and groove. Yeah, I agree, man, and and and
Speaker 1: and Donald. Did you make that up or did Sarah contribute?
Speaker 1: Like it's pretty great some of it. I made up
Speaker 1: a lot of it. I know I made up because
Speaker 1: it's uh, it has it has rhythm to it. That's why.
Speaker 1: Well there's that, and then there's also yes, there was
Speaker 1: it was also a like what is it that remember
Speaker 1: how we were talking about the color purple and miss
Speaker 1: when Celia and her sister are broken up and we're
Speaker 1: doing uh, patty kake. So it also has a little
Speaker 1: bit of that in it where it's like where we
Speaker 1: slap each other's hand. I don't know, man, all I
Speaker 1: know is yeah, no, that thing was made up for
Speaker 1: for this episode. And then it turned into I like,
Speaker 1: I like what Johnny said too, that you kind of
Speaker 1: go into this cell everything and then you just kind
Speaker 1: of go into the scene like nothing happened. It's just
Speaker 1: you just did a high five. I thought that, But
Speaker 1: it's the same way. It's the same way, and I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm maybe it sounds like I'm blown too
Speaker 1: much smoke up your guy's asses, but I'll take it.
Speaker 1: We'll take it. I'm like Donald, I don't remember any
Speaker 1: of the stuff, so then I want to go back
Speaker 1: and watch it. I'm I'm sincerely struck by different things.
Speaker 1: And in this episode, unlike the last one we we
Speaker 1: watched together, I wasn't struck by as many things other
Speaker 1: than the circumstances that were occurring outside of scrubs. In
Speaker 1: this I was really struck by what was happening in
Speaker 1: front of the lens and what the writers did. And
Speaker 1: then in three minutes there's this great walking talk between
Speaker 1: Zachie and Cox, and the writers let Cox be this fierce,
Speaker 1: fierce patient advocate and it grounds him in a way
Speaker 1: that's it's just genius because it gives him license to
Speaker 1: then go do what he's about to go do, which
Speaker 1: is destroy a lab. Now, this is the first time
Speaker 1: we really see Cox have this raw motion. Johnny. I
Speaker 1: think that you know, we had seen him be upset.
Speaker 1: There's the episode where he's where he's just saying, j D,
Speaker 1: you need to have a life. I have no life.
Speaker 1: But this is, you know, the first time we see
Speaker 1: how much pain this man has and how dedicated he
Speaker 1: is to his profession. So I just talked a bit
Speaker 1: about that, and and of course destroying this lab. Pepper
Speaker 1: in the background with Charles Charles Pappard our steadicam operators
Speaker 1: back is the one of the lab text. But I mean,
Speaker 1: do you remember that day trashing that lab? That must
Speaker 1: have been cathartic. I do, and I had I had
Speaker 1: been um lucky enough in and lucky is in italics
Speaker 1: to have been with Michael Caine, your actor in in
Speaker 1: your lovely movie. Uh up in Valdis, Alaska, and uh
Speaker 1: with Steven Seagal directing an epic movie for Warner Brothers
Speaker 1: called On Deadly Ground. Stephen was um, and I got
Speaker 1: to destroy a house and uh, halfway through it, I
Speaker 1: find a petrified walrus penis, which is called an and
Speaker 1: so down you're gonna not like you can't rush you
Speaker 1: you can't the listeners that the listeners have questions, how
Speaker 1: did you find a Don't worry, We're gonna get back
Speaker 1: to destroying the lab. Everybody. How did you How did
Speaker 1: you know that it was a petrified Walrus peanut. I asked,
Speaker 1: there's this long fallust and I asked the production designer,
Speaker 1: I said, what's this and he goes, well, it's a
Speaker 1: petrified waters penis. And he said, god, oh money, just
Speaker 1: call action and get on my eyeline. If you don't
Speaker 1: think that's coming in the frame, you're out of your mind.
Speaker 1: Look out, everybody. And so I what my takeaway from
Speaker 1: destroying the house, um, just destroying it? Uh, was go slow.
Speaker 1: If you destroy a house or a lab too fast,
Speaker 1: the camera doesn't get it. It's just like as Donald
Speaker 1: definitely knows, either taking or throwing a punch in front
Speaker 1: of the lens. If you go too fast, the camera
Speaker 1: doesn't see it. Yeah, and it's the same same with
Speaker 1: destroying a room. You gotta go slow. And it's funny
Speaker 1: Billy uh who or will ramped it up to high
Speaker 1: speed for the throw through the window, because otherwise that
Speaker 1: stuff happens too fast and you don't get it. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure Zac as a filmmaker, you know, unless you
Speaker 1: cover a fight or destroying something pretty meticulously, the lens
Speaker 1: misses it. And so my only thought in destroying that
Speaker 1: lab was take your time. Yeah. Well, when I watched that.
Speaker 1: I was like, how much trouble would dr coxby and
Speaker 1: if he were to do that, and how much money
Speaker 1: did he just throw out the window by doing all
Speaker 1: of that? And I was thinking the same thing. I
Speaker 1: thought the same thing too. I thought like, did they
Speaker 1: have some system or no one's gonna tell Kelso, because
Speaker 1: I mean, Carl it implies that he freaks out at
Speaker 1: least once a year, right, And I was like, does
Speaker 1: everyone sort of protect him, um, because you know, in
Speaker 1: the real world of a hospital, he'd be in a
Speaker 1: phenomenal amount of trouble for this. Yeah, I I couldn't that.
Speaker 1: That was the first thing I thought. And then I
Speaker 1: thought when Carla said he does this once a year,
Speaker 1: I was like, holy shit, Cox is you know, it's
Speaker 1: clear that he's in pain, but he's in like a
Speaker 1: lot of pain, and to build it up to be
Speaker 1: able to just damage thousands of dollars of equipment, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You have to really you have
Speaker 1: to really be on that level of fucking. I'm I
Speaker 1: don't care anymore. I just I just clearly doesn't care
Speaker 1: care anymore. But they also really need Cox, you know, Cox.
Speaker 1: Everybody needs Cox. You're absolutely right. Well, look what you
Speaker 1: just said, Donald, that was that came out a little different.
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna I'm gonna that's gonna be my new
Speaker 1: ring tone, Donald yelling everybody needs Cox in the hospital,
Speaker 1: in the hospital, the character. And then and then at
Speaker 1: four thirty nine, we get to see the janitor do
Speaker 1: medical jargon. Yeah and it Yeah. Remember you know the
Speaker 1: Neil audition for your part. You know that trivia Johnny
Speaker 1: of course, But I mean, he's such a spectacular actor,
Speaker 1: but I've never seen him do. You gotta remember all
Speaker 1: medical jargon is Latin based, so when you really get
Speaker 1: into it, you're just talking Latin. And so for the
Speaker 1: janitor just to peel out some Latin. Question me, by
Speaker 1: the way, I wondered. When I wondered if I think
Speaker 1: that might be the only time the janitors ever in
Speaker 1: our apartment, I was going to ask that we should
Speaker 1: ask Bill if he remembers putting the janitor in the
Speaker 1: apartment at any point. Okay, Donald has pulled the lever
Speaker 1: for an ask Bill, Joel, Bill, you're not gonna remember
Speaker 1: I bet the guy on Wicky Scrubs knows better than you,
Speaker 1: But we're gonna ask you. By the way, you know
Speaker 1: we should do. We should also, Joel, that's what we
Speaker 1: should do with that guy. We should have an asked
Speaker 1: Bill Button, but we should haven't also asked the Scrubs
Speaker 1: wicky because that he he knows he's the keeper of
Speaker 1: the trivia more than Bill. Bill is gonna be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I five eight and uh Bill, Bill
Speaker 1: has found his his what you're talking about? Willis Johnny.
Speaker 1: He he's found his catchphrase. So now he just says
Speaker 1: and the fans think it's hilarious. He just he starts
Speaker 1: the theme song and Donald and I have to stop
Speaker 1: the damn thing. So um, Anyway, Joel, when we talk
Speaker 1: to that guy, when we find him, let's ask him
Speaker 1: if he can, we can ask him as Scrubs tribute.
Speaker 1: But for now, since we only have Bill, Bill, do
Speaker 1: you think this is the only time that the janitor
Speaker 1: is ever in our apartment? Even though it's a fantasy, Neil,
Speaker 1: I'm going buy memory here, guys, But Neil Flynn was
Speaker 1: in Turk and j D's apartment. Uh, when there's a
Speaker 1: fantasy about him being a doctor, and I believe he
Speaker 1: returns to try and fix their air conditioning or pipes
Speaker 1: or something. Um, in a later season, but I think
Speaker 1: he was only there twice, uh, except once I think
Speaker 1: he was implied that he was there a third time
Speaker 1: that he and Dr Cox moved j D's bed somewhere
Speaker 1: and they did it together, Thank you, Bill. And and
Speaker 1: once again at five forty nine when when Kenny and
Speaker 1: when Kelso and and Uh and Jude are together, they're butter.
Speaker 1: They're total butter. They're butter. Now how about Judy, Um,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're great. How about Judy? So it's for
Speaker 1: first Judy. I noticed, because this is funny tracking when
Speaker 1: we shot this in two thousand one that Judy says,
Speaker 1: I gotta get a tape deck, which I thought was funny.
Speaker 1: And then and then when she brings in and it's
Speaker 1: actually a CD player. This is funny even now if
Speaker 1: you realize that you're you're definitely pretty good show, dude.
Speaker 1: That's very good. Because I did not pick up on that. Well,
Speaker 1: I I caught her. I caught her saying tape deck,
Speaker 1: and then my brain went, there's no way it was cassettes.
Speaker 1: I remember it was at least c D s and
Speaker 1: uh and then and I guess that was just still
Speaker 1: I'm imagining in two thousand one, we were still using
Speaker 1: the expression tape dep like I'll get a tape deck
Speaker 1: and I have a I have a question for you.
Speaker 1: On the heels of that, when Kenny says, like Motley,
Speaker 1: Crewe and Winger, my son's a bit of a headbanger.
Speaker 1: First of all, the crushed me. And second of all,
Speaker 1: is that the first time, first of many when he
Speaker 1: refers to his son, who turns out is just a
Speaker 1: cavalcade of eccentricity. A cavalcade of eccentricities is a great
Speaker 1: title for a screenplay, but um, that is funny the scrubs.
Speaker 1: Wicky said, it's the first time he mentioned bactor. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's the first time his son comes up,
Speaker 1: but this might be the first time his son comes
Speaker 1: up in terms of being a cavalcade of eccentricities. His son,
Speaker 1: it turns out it's the single most tortured person on
Speaker 1: the planet I know. And we never got to meet him,
Speaker 1: and we never met his wife. I think it was
Speaker 1: It's so much better. It's so much better. It was
Speaker 1: all I remember remember on Cheers when you never saw
Speaker 1: no I think it was Norm's wife Vera. We never
Speaker 1: saw I'll give me the thumbs up, and I right, Joel, Wow, Well,
Speaker 1: well we'll play Jackie Zack the bartender would always alley
Speaker 1: youp him see I bet sports reference, and and then
Speaker 1: he'd he'd have a one liner and and dunk it
Speaker 1: if you blew. I blew the one liner because I
Speaker 1: didn't remember it. Vera does make an appearance on Cheers, though,
Speaker 1: I guess. And then well, I want, well, Joel, did
Speaker 1: you go on the Cheers Wicky and find out that
Speaker 1: Vera does make an appearance on the Thanksgiving Day as
Speaker 1: you guys, As you guys have done so wonderfully. I
Speaker 1: I do wanna look at Sammy for a second. Who
Speaker 1: uh is astonishing? This really is probably this probably is,
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but probably his first real
Speaker 1: I mean, other than one liners. This is the first
Speaker 1: episode where Sammy really shined. And even even when he
Speaker 1: and he and Jude together are are completely money. Did
Speaker 1: you guys get goose bumps when they sang together? Yes,
Speaker 1: But the first time we see Sammy he does this
Speaker 1: thing with his hand where he puts it way in
Speaker 1: the back of his skull. Donald, My tricepts are too
Speaker 1: big to even do that. Get your arms arms, to you,
Speaker 1: to you listeners out there, I want you to know
Speaker 1: this guy is still fucking ripped. He's got bigger biceps
Speaker 1: than than anyone I I know. I think, are you
Speaker 1: still doing a lot of paddle surfing? Yeah? Every day,
Speaker 1: every day you paddle surf, Johnny, Johnny, you are something.
Speaker 1: You got Mr Miyagi body where it's like you're doing
Speaker 1: you know active, you know, everything is for a purpose.
Speaker 1: I wrote, I wrote a board in the ocean. I'm
Speaker 1: using my hands to build. I thought you were saying.
Speaker 1: I thought you were saying he had the body of
Speaker 1: Pat Merita. And I was like, no, he does not, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no. But when wax on wax off. The
Speaker 1: first time we see Sammy, he's got that hand over
Speaker 1: his head. And then the button on the scene with
Speaker 1: Judy is he is careful. I've been hurt before. Dropped me,
Speaker 1: drop me. He loves Judy, he loves Carla, he loves
Speaker 1: she hugs him and he's like, don't let go. And
Speaker 1: for these and and well that's later on. And for
Speaker 1: those who don't know a sides, when you keep an
Speaker 1: a side that real, it's almost impossible because if you
Speaker 1: don't do it right. You come off as a crazy
Speaker 1: person because you're talking to yourself, and Sammy does it
Speaker 1: with careful I've been hurt before. And then when he
Speaker 1: and Judy get back together later on, he has too
Speaker 1: that are genius. He says, she knows, she knows your name,
Speaker 1: he says to himself, and then he says, don't let
Speaker 1: go and dropped me. And I can't tell you how
Speaker 1: hard that is. Yeah, he has one more when he's like,
Speaker 1: I love you and she turns around to like what,
Speaker 1: and he goes right back to the song. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that song you got, I mean, we're jumping all over
Speaker 1: the place, but that song moment was so beautiful, and
Speaker 1: I freak got im. I apologize to the universe that
Speaker 1: I forgot how pretty Judy's voice is. Me too, and
Speaker 1: she slays and it's beautiful. And their harmonies, I mean, Sammy,
Speaker 1: we knew because sam was an amazing singer. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't an acapella group, but the two of them together,
Speaker 1: their harmonies were I got goose bumps all over my body.
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you something zacky, and I could
Speaker 1: see you, I could see you ringing this one out
Speaker 1: as hard as you could was just Billy or you
Speaker 1: on Baker's beakos, it's probably me. You're you're ringing everything.
Speaker 1: I know. There's certain is, there's certain words. They're just
Speaker 1: funny becos. I I think I think it was probably
Speaker 1: not in the script because that wouldn't probably been funny
Speaker 1: on the page. But I was probably just riffing like
Speaker 1: words that sounded funny. And we should say it's the
Speaker 1: first appearance of Franklin played by massioca Oh before he
Speaker 1: went on to be Time traveling Star Heroes, right, he
Speaker 1: was the star of the show Heroes, and uh, I
Speaker 1: think this was his first juicy gig. He recurred as
Speaker 1: Franklin for a while. He's very he's very good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was funny, hugging is hugging his favorite microscope so
Speaker 1: that you didn't destroy it. And then and then at
Speaker 1: eight minutes, we go to what I referenced earlier is
Speaker 1: Sarah and Donald and it's it's what I started this
Speaker 1: whole thing off with with. However, this ensemble jelled, whether
Speaker 1: it was just time or traveling together and getting into it.
Speaker 1: You guys are effortless, all right, But let's go a
Speaker 1: little bit back. Johnny, you're going too fast. First of all, oh,
Speaker 1: dear lord, please tell me that's not a onesie. And
Speaker 1: now Dr Cox says, first of all, I'm wearing a onesie,
Speaker 1: which I love a onesie. I don't wear a onesie,
Speaker 1: it's a bed. But man, when I have a onesie on,
Speaker 1: do I love a onesie? And I guess J D
Speaker 1: really loved one because he wears it to the bar
Speaker 1: we view and then and then Cox pulls over the
Speaker 1: two ladies to flirt. Okay, before you go past what
Speaker 1: I but that's that's I know, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm
Speaker 1: the ones He occurs at seven oh six, not but
Speaker 1: go ahead, Donald? Uh minty? First of all, what were
Speaker 1: you all drinking in your shots? If that was minty? No,
Speaker 1: the the toothbrush was minty still from the after you
Speaker 1: dipped it into I don't know, it doesn't track. I
Speaker 1: guess you're right because the toothpaste would have been off
Speaker 1: of it. But because and then right after that, yuck
Speaker 1: yuck yu. Yeah, you know what I was thinking of.
Speaker 1: Do you remember do you remember I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember this, Donald, but don Johnny, you definitely remember
Speaker 1: Easy Rider? When uh? When ever? Nicholson would do a shot,
Speaker 1: he would he would just say a random word because
Speaker 1: the shot was so bad and easy rider. He do
Speaker 1: the shot and he goes, but he would say like
Speaker 1: a random word that would like help him recover from
Speaker 1: how bad the shot was. And that's that's what I
Speaker 1: was thinking when I when I when I did it,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, trying so hard to be manly
Speaker 1: in front of Cox, but I'm in a onesie with
Speaker 1: a toothbrush. That was funny when you go yucky and
Speaker 1: then the writers give Cox, uh, oh great, I'm drinking
Speaker 1: with the mouse. Like I said, I didn't remember this
Speaker 1: episode at all, so I never knew that you guys
Speaker 1: had a wingman uh situation going on the two of you.
Speaker 1: What happened? I know that one girl blows it because
Speaker 1: she's talking about her ex boyfriend. What happened to the
Speaker 1: girl you were talking to? I don't think Cox has
Speaker 1: gives a flying funk about He's just like here if
Speaker 1: this If Cox is like here you want you want
Speaker 1: a reason to stay here and talk to these girls,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna gonna I'm gonna go. And then j D
Speaker 1: is like Okay, now you're talking and he tries to
Speaker 1: hit on that one woman, but she's just you know,
Speaker 1: rambling and rambling and rambling. The hangman's nose is yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of stolen from airplane though,
Speaker 1: um it doesn't matter, no, but he remembers airplane. It's
Speaker 1: absolutely hilarious. I know, because we're dinosaurs. No, but I
Speaker 1: think there's a scene in a moment an airplane when
Speaker 1: someone's doing a long speech about their past and and
Speaker 1: you you you cut back and the passenger next to
Speaker 1: him has hung himself on he's swinging. Anyway. I think
Speaker 1: it's really interesting. After the two girls leave and j
Speaker 1: D and Cox are alone, I don't remember Cox being
Speaker 1: that broken. Actually, I was going to say, he's so broken, dude,
Speaker 1: he's so broken. Well, it's like once a year, he
Speaker 1: you know, Carlo says, like once a year he pretty
Speaker 1: much has a breakdown. And I went back and I
Speaker 1: went back. As I told you guys, I keep composition
Speaker 1: books and it's kind of how I learned my lines.
Speaker 1: And in the margins I wrote notes to myself, and
Speaker 1: in that I the first thing gig I'll digress for
Speaker 1: a second. The first gig I gotta get an n
Speaker 1: y U was to understudy John Taturo in Danny in
Speaker 1: the Deep Blue Sea and over its Circle Rep, which
Speaker 1: was maybe I lived on Sullivan Street and Circle was
Speaker 1: on Bleaker, so it was maybe a half a block
Speaker 1: from my house, and I understudied John and I was
Speaker 1: the assistant stage manager, so I helped call the lights
Speaker 1: and I made up the actors. But I had keys
Speaker 1: to the theater. And because it's just a two hand
Speaker 1: er two hand I mean just two actors on stage.
Speaker 1: It was June Stein and John, and John went to
Speaker 1: do Desperately Seeking Susan. After about eight months, he wouldn't.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't. It's eight shows a week off Broadway and
Speaker 1: he wouldn't go down. It's a very violent play. And
Speaker 1: so I had the keys to the theater. So every
Speaker 1: day I would walk and do circles on the stage
Speaker 1: because I had the keys, and I would do both
Speaker 1: actors parts out loud a couple of times a day.
Speaker 1: And this was all fear based, and you're you're afraid, Johnny.
Speaker 1: You were afraid that you might have to go on
Speaker 1: and you didn't want it. I was scared to death,
Speaker 1: and uh, John finally went to go do Desperately Seeking
Speaker 1: Susan and which every actor in New York wanted to
Speaker 1: be in, and so I got to take over for
Speaker 1: him for about a week. And there's a line that
Speaker 1: Danny has at the end of the play where he
Speaker 1: says everything hurts. And I worked backwards in that play
Speaker 1: from everything hurts and and and what that must mean
Speaker 1: for someone to actually say that that everything hurts. And
Speaker 1: I gave it to Cox in this that when we
Speaker 1: see him, there's that long profile shot of Cox that
Speaker 1: Will stays on it and everything hurts and it resonates
Speaker 1: and it's not nothing said, it's underneath and ZACKI so
Speaker 1: lovely in the scene, but I just think the guy's broken. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he's so he's so incredibly committed to this job,
Speaker 1: which is endlessly frustrating for him, not only what would
Speaker 1: be normal dealing with so much death and pain, but
Speaker 1: that this hospital, this this hospital that's it seems is
Speaker 1: barely surviving, um with with with with its finances. And
Speaker 1: he opens the episode walking around and I noticed that
Speaker 1: Will made sure that the ceiling panels were all fucked up.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you noticed that, but when you're
Speaker 1: when you're looking around me, like everything is here is
Speaker 1: fucking broken. I'm so sick of it. And in that
Speaker 1: in that very walk and talk moment, you're seeing like
Speaker 1: the ceilings all fucked up, and and he's just just
Speaker 1: so frustrated, I imagine with trying to save lives with
Speaker 1: no with no support, with no gear like so many
Speaker 1: by the way, like so many doctors and nurses and
Speaker 1: people must be feeling now with with the lack of
Speaker 1: of of ppe they had with with COVID. I think
Speaker 1: it's really interested at what you were just referencing that
Speaker 1: the writers don't even have Cox reference it as the
Speaker 1: hospital or or the name of the hospital. He he
Speaker 1: just calls it that place. He can't even he doesn't
Speaker 1: even want it in his mouth, and he says, I
Speaker 1: can't I can't go back to that place. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: then j D at least feels like, wow, he I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do. He broke down what are
Speaker 1: we gonna do? And Carl was like, oh no, he
Speaker 1: just does that once a year. I'll be fine today.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, there's no way he's going to be fine.
Speaker 1: And you come in like, hey, what it's going to
Speaker 1: be a good today. I still I stole that from
Speaker 1: a brother of my brother's friendship humph for you lives
Speaker 1: in Atlanta now. He used to always go around and
Speaker 1: go it's a great day. I put that one rap
Speaker 1: in my back pocket. You were so funny. All right, Wait, yes,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break. We always forget because we're
Speaker 1: having so much fun. We'll be right back. See, Donald,
Speaker 1: you're giving the people what they want, which is the
Speaker 1: m they asked for it, so I might as well
Speaker 1: give it to a man. A lot of chatter, a
Speaker 1: lot of chatter on We got to just digress for
Speaker 1: a moment. So much chatter on Instagram about about the
Speaker 1: wash cloth conversation. Well, that was a conversation. That was
Speaker 1: the real deal. Johnny, did you do you use a
Speaker 1: washcloth in the shower? We need to know what My
Speaker 1: wife wanted to make sure that before we get into
Speaker 1: Johnny using the washcloth. She wanted you guys all to
Speaker 1: know that you are supposed to get rid of the
Speaker 1: wash cloth after at that one time period. But you don't.
Speaker 1: I do your what you do? You do it? Your
Speaker 1: wife was like, you better fucking tell them we change
Speaker 1: the warm cloth. There are too many people listen to
Speaker 1: this podcast. Donald, you put it, tell them we change
Speaker 1: the war cloth. I'm telling you right and I'm telling
Speaker 1: you right now. If we change the wash cloth, baby
Speaker 1: to every I told everybody baby taking care of It's
Speaker 1: not like she listens to the show anyway. If you want,
Speaker 1: we can have Dan go back and re edit that
Speaker 1: that sentence into the original wash cloth to be Jesus,
Speaker 1: that was funny. Well, I just want you to know that,
Speaker 1: you know, in one in that episode, we we're talking
Speaker 1: about both what kind of merch we should have and
Speaker 1: the wash cloth to be. And so now my whole
Speaker 1: Instagram fee was like, how about merch that says team
Speaker 1: washcloth on a wash cloth? I love it so some
Speaker 1: And he said and that look, man, if man, if
Speaker 1: you know me, this is how I am. But listen,
Speaker 1: I accumulate a lot of spit in my mouth when
Speaker 1: I talk, so so sometimes I might when I'm talking. Listen, asshole,
Speaker 1: That's how I talk. All right, accept it. I just
Speaker 1: did it again, And if you got a problem with it,
Speaker 1: you can kiss my ask all right? Because of course,
Speaker 1: for for Avid lisztards begs the question which instructor did
Speaker 1: Donald yes? Because he just went into aggressive guy a right,
Speaker 1: Johnny good call. You know, when I need to protect
Speaker 1: how I sound on this thing. Everybody had a problem
Speaker 1: with me saying you know what I mean, And now
Speaker 1: somebody's talking about the way I slurp when I'm done sentences,
Speaker 1: by the way slurp by the way. You know they
Speaker 1: have those fancy spit cards for the mic. We could
Speaker 1: get you, right, Dan, we can. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: a little circle that goes in front of the mic,
Speaker 1: so you have to be spinning all cuse I don't
Speaker 1: need to do any of it. All right, Well, why
Speaker 1: don't you reach behind you and dab your mouth with
Speaker 1: some sweatpants you fuck um? Well, anyway, it's just fun
Speaker 1: to see that so many people are engaging, and we
Speaker 1: love to hear from you, especially when it's uh debating things.
Speaker 1: We're debating here because I love seeing people weighing in
Speaker 1: and be like, I'm team washcloth and I'm from the South.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, right right, Well, a lot
Speaker 1: of white people that got on the on the thing like, yo,
Speaker 1: I do use a washcloth, but I am from the South.
Speaker 1: And then some women rember what me Like, Zach, you
Speaker 1: can put a loof of between your cheeks. You just
Speaker 1: have to make sure you wash it there washable, and
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm still not gonna put a scratchy loo
Speaker 1: loofa between my cheeks. Johnny, are you team washcloth or
Speaker 1: team no washcloth? It's funny. I use wash cloths at hotels,
Speaker 1: but not at home. But not at home, but I
Speaker 1: just surf, I just I just there's a shower I
Speaker 1: put in outside the building, and I just shower out there.
Speaker 1: And so no, there's no wash cloths up. But in
Speaker 1: hotels you use the wash cloth. You know why he does.
Speaker 1: You know why he does because he doesn't have to
Speaker 1: worry about cleaning that fucking pooh pooh stain up that
Speaker 1: That also is a problem for me. I have a
Speaker 1: problem with a poosh staining story. Now why why dude,
Speaker 1: they're rehashing some ship right now? No, pun intender, Do
Speaker 1: you have hold on? Do you have itchy? But all
Speaker 1: the time? No, you still don't understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: There's no way I do understand what you're saying. I
Speaker 1: don't have pooh. If I were to swipe the washcloth
Speaker 1: down the outside of my balloon, knot, there'd be no
Speaker 1: pooh on it. But if I were to dig a
Speaker 1: quarter inch, there'd be some remnants. Why are you digging
Speaker 1: in your ass? Because that's what I feel. The purpose
Speaker 1: of the wash cloth is I have a washcloth as
Speaker 1: my interface between me and my rectum, and I can
Speaker 1: dig a little. I can be aggressive. Check my proson
Speaker 1: date while I'm in there. Do you guys not have
Speaker 1: the magic toilet seat that does the spray? I wish
Speaker 1: I had to day. I'm gonna get you one of those.
Speaker 1: It's a seat, a seat, it's not even a day.
Speaker 1: It's the most genius thing on the planet. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: got him. We got him at the Design Center. It's
Speaker 1: some invited events that yeah. Yeah, it just blasts a little.
Speaker 1: It's like a it's like a water pick for your ainus,
Speaker 1: the single greatest gift on the planet. It's lovely, Donald,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you one for Hanaka can't wait. Well,
Speaker 1: what you have to get him with with is you
Speaker 1: also get a contractor to extend a water outlet and
Speaker 1: electricity to Well that's not coming with my han Well,
Speaker 1: maybe that'll be the second night. The first night will
Speaker 1: be the water pick for your rainus. Second night contractor,
Speaker 1: could we could we get back to welcome back, Welcome back,
Speaker 1: john Johnny, Johnny. This is what happens, by the way,
Speaker 1: when you're into you guys, when you're here, we can
Speaker 1: I love the Johnny's already here being like, can we
Speaker 1: get to the episode? Which is what I'm the one.
Speaker 1: I'm the one who's always saying that we tried to
Speaker 1: digress several times, and Johnny's like, but you know when yeah,
Speaker 1: so too. I wanted it. Yeah all right, I thought two. Um,
Speaker 1: I thought Billy Billy likes to take a swipe at
Speaker 1: Zackie every once in a while. He always has, and
Speaker 1: and he Laverne says, you think so with those ears,
Speaker 1: and it's just and it's just Zachie goes totally uncalled for.
Speaker 1: So U I must have done something that week that
Speaker 1: he wanted to take me down. And I've never really
Speaker 1: had my ears dissed before. I mean, obviously, I have
Speaker 1: a large nose, and I'm I'm used, you know, anytime
Speaker 1: a caricature artist would draw me, it would be like
Speaker 1: nine nose, So I'm used to that. Um, but I
Speaker 1: never really had my ears diss before before Nurse Roberts
Speaker 1: went after them. Yeah, she and she took she took
Speaker 1: no small amount of pleasure in doing it too. Red Dawn.
Speaker 1: I've never seen Red Dawn. I don't know anything about
Speaker 1: Red kidding me right now, you've never seen Red Dawn,
Speaker 1: did you audition? I wouldn't. I wouldn't up to that speed. Yet.
Speaker 1: Well there's a part in that. Well you're probably you're
Speaker 1: probably way too young. I have no idea what Wolverines means, like,
Speaker 1: please tell us. Okay, So, uh, the Russians in Red
Speaker 1: Dawn attack America. Yeah, Colorado. The Trivia our trivia friends
Speaker 1: says there's a mistake in the episode. One of you
Speaker 1: guys says, Michigan, but it's actually Colorado because the Michigan
Speaker 1: because the Michigan Michigan or the Wolverines. The vileged Team
Speaker 1: Michigan are the Wolverines. But it actually takes place in Colorado,
Speaker 1: you right, And they attack and kids, students are the rebellion.
Speaker 1: They wind up being like all the adults are gathered
Speaker 1: and put into concentration camps. And yeah, see Thomas Howell,
Speaker 1: Charlie Sheen, Uh, I mean they tried to they tried
Speaker 1: to remake it and stuff like that. The action is amazing.
Speaker 1: Who who's the older brother, Oh my gosh, Ghost, Patrick
Speaker 1: Patrick Crazy, Patrick Swayze. Just so many people are in it. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is the first movie that Jennifer Gray and Patrick
Speaker 1: Swayze did together. This is before Dirty Dancing and Leah Thompson.
Speaker 1: Leah Thompson's in it all. Also a lot of people
Speaker 1: wudn't want to do It makes me think of another
Speaker 1: before you explain that more um Taps. We were talking
Speaker 1: about Taps Theater. Do you guys remember a lot of
Speaker 1: Valley Valley Forge Military Academy. Yeah, and a lot of
Speaker 1: amazing actors. It was their first big thing, Sean and
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise. Yeah. But anyway, go back to the plot
Speaker 1: of Lorine, and so the kids fight back, the kids
Speaker 1: and the and the school that the kids they're all
Speaker 1: like on the football team and stuff like that. And
Speaker 1: the football team of the school is called the Wolverines.
Speaker 1: And so when they're when they're in the fight with
Speaker 1: the Russians, their victory cry is Wolverines. Their battle cry
Speaker 1: is Wolverines. Like you know, g I Joe was Yo Joe,
Speaker 1: There's was Wolverines. Okay, got it? And in the world
Speaker 1: of Scrubs, Elliott knows this movie. I don't believe it,
Speaker 1: but I believe I believe, I believe Turk knows that.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that Turke would know it, so therefore
Speaker 1: j D would know it. Right. But Elliott walks in like, oh,
Speaker 1: I forget the homework assignment, let's watch Red Dawn. I'm like,
Speaker 1: come on, buddy, Yeah, but it's also great again. You
Speaker 1: guys both throw the gesture away, and it's great when
Speaker 1: Zackie comes in and goes, you know, wolverines, and he
Speaker 1: just throws it away and Sarah does too, and it's great.
Speaker 1: You know, when I was first watching this episode, before
Speaker 1: I got through it, I was like, what a dick
Speaker 1: Turkey is for inviting my newly ex girlfriend over to
Speaker 1: do a homework assignment at the fucking living room table.
Speaker 1: But he knew what happened. Yeah, But then yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a great thing later on at ten forty five that
Speaker 1: Donald does this great thing where Sarah goes, you and
Speaker 1: I can still hang out and Donald goes, no, he's
Speaker 1: my best friend. Either you fix it or and then
Speaker 1: there's an ellipsus. And for all of this who have
Speaker 1: had divorced UH friends or or friends who have broken up,
Speaker 1: it's the way Donald lays it out. You can't have both.
Speaker 1: It's just it's never you gotta be friends with either
Speaker 1: or the wife. It doesn't you can't have both. It
Speaker 1: doesn't work. People always choose a side, don't they. You
Speaker 1: have to Yeah, yeah, there's no one in between. You
Speaker 1: can't stay in between. You can't be like, she's my
Speaker 1: friend and you're my friend. Right right? I got it?
Speaker 1: Now now now when? So what we learned is that
Speaker 1: Turk did it in order to try and get them
Speaker 1: to be friends again. Right, well, I think his intentions
Speaker 1: are really good, but it's so raw. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: still so new, this breakup. You know, It's like, but
Speaker 1: you guys are running to each running into each other.
Speaker 1: Elliott and j D are running into each other every
Speaker 1: day at work, and there's all of this animosity towards
Speaker 1: each other. It's how the show will opens up. I
Speaker 1: felt sad about it, you know, I I have to say,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm These old feelings of being so invested
Speaker 1: in these characters came up, and of course I'm sure, um,
Speaker 1: you know, memories of times in my own life of
Speaker 1: of this stage of a of a relationship, and I
Speaker 1: don't know, I was so invested that I genuinely was
Speaker 1: feeling sad for these two characters and how they clearly
Speaker 1: love each other so much, and as we learned in
Speaker 1: the series, they ultimately choose each other. But but oh,
Speaker 1: that awkwardness of of of you know, of trying to
Speaker 1: be friends and having mutual friends and working together. I mean,
Speaker 1: what a nightmare. Yeah, but what you just said pays
Speaker 1: off in the final before you guys go up on
Speaker 1: the roof and throw watermelons. When you guys are on
Speaker 1: that cot, you're Zachie. Your truth is that you It
Speaker 1: made you genuinely sad and it resonates. It absolutely jumps
Speaker 1: into the lens and it resonates, and it's so lovely.
Speaker 1: I think I had not much There's nothing Tom instrictive,
Speaker 1: there's nothing showy. It's just this guy sad and sad sucks. Sometimes.
Speaker 1: I think that was easy to play because it was real,
Speaker 1: and I think I had so much love for Sarah
Speaker 1: and um, I just you know, I could just play
Speaker 1: in my in my heart that we weren't going to
Speaker 1: be friends anymore, and it was just easy to tap into,
Speaker 1: you know, it should it showed. It was very good.
Speaker 1: I really, you know, when in the beginning of the
Speaker 1: episode when he said when j D says my teacher died,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is this is going to
Speaker 1: be the problem of the episode. And then when you know, Johnny,
Speaker 1: when Cox goes into this rent, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: this is the problem of the episode. And then how
Speaker 1: you bring it full circle? It's always brought back to
Speaker 1: one right and with our show. So at the end
Speaker 1: of it all, you remind him, didn't you tell me
Speaker 1: about your teacher that you know just passed away. How
Speaker 1: are you gonna deal with that? Because I I know
Speaker 1: you're trying to hide it. What did you do when?
Speaker 1: What did you do when you found out your teacher died? Oh?
Speaker 1: Us right, you made a joke that ship stings inside
Speaker 1: and if you hold onto it, and if you don't
Speaker 1: have an outlet, you wind up doing what I did.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. And there's not a bunch
Speaker 1: of people at this hospital that are going to protect
Speaker 1: you the way they protect me. That's that's the honest
Speaker 1: and goodness truth. Get this ship out, you know, well
Speaker 1: said I believe that too. I mean I feel like
Speaker 1: I do that in life. I try and dissipate the
Speaker 1: emotion by making a joke and then you're all, you know,
Speaker 1: which is fine, it's a coping mechanism. But then you're
Speaker 1: you're letting that ship fester and build up. And then
Speaker 1: Johnny and Cox is saying, like, look what happens if
Speaker 1: you let it build for three hundred and sixty four days,
Speaker 1: You fucking destroy Franklin's lab. And I wrote, I wrote,
Speaker 1: I wrote in my notebook because I've had about a
Speaker 1: twenty year, ongoing, twenty year art crush on a Welsh
Speaker 1: poet named Dylan Thomas. And I didn't have the spine
Speaker 1: to go down to the writer's room and ask Billy
Speaker 1: if I could put this in, But I did put
Speaker 1: it in the margins the poem him that do not
Speaker 1: go gently into that good night rage, rage against the
Speaker 1: dying of the light and that informs everything I'm telling
Speaker 1: Zackie in that scene, that you don't go gently into
Speaker 1: the good night rage, rage, rage against the dying of
Speaker 1: the light fall. And I wanted to say it to
Speaker 1: Zackie so bad, but it was a little too esoteric.
Speaker 1: And but it's underneath, because it was underneath your whole performance,
Speaker 1: it floats it. And if you can get Dylan Thomas
Speaker 1: to float something underneath what you're doing. Again, you're not lying,
Speaker 1: you're telling your truth. I really like that you do that, John,
Speaker 1: the the putting, putting thoughts and inspiration in the margins
Speaker 1: um and letting that sort of exist underneath the scene.
Speaker 1: I think that's really a smart technique. It's completely selfish
Speaker 1: and self serving. It helps me. I always find that
Speaker 1: if you can, since we're lying in front of the lens, everything,
Speaker 1: most of it's a lie. In other words, I'm not
Speaker 1: Dr Cox, I'm not I'm not the guy. I'm not
Speaker 1: Sarge Oeil and Platoon. I'm not. I'm not I'm some guy.
Speaker 1: I'm just the Irish Jeckiss. And if you can, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you can reduce, if you can reduce the frequency
Speaker 1: of the lie, whether it's Oliver plating this through two
Speaker 1: weeks of boot camp or or putting Dylan Thomas underneath
Speaker 1: underneath a particular beat, that reduces the lie. And if
Speaker 1: you can reduce the lie to a certain frequency, then
Speaker 1: the lens doesn't suffer it as a lie quite as much.
Speaker 1: And I think, and I think genuinely this might be
Speaker 1: a non sequitor, but for me, genuinely, listen, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of times actors will ask me for and
Speaker 1: I'm sure this you guys get this as well. Young
Speaker 1: actors ask you for advice or or and you try
Speaker 1: and think of like something the sync you can say,
Speaker 1: because it's none of it's that easy. But when I
Speaker 1: do try and say the most basic thing that I've
Speaker 1: learned is genuinely listening. If I'm if the cameras on
Speaker 1: me and Johnny C playing Cox is saying all these
Speaker 1: things to me, and I can genuinely listen, I'm not
Speaker 1: looking in my periphery at the camera, I'm not looking
Speaker 1: at the jail on the light that's about to fall,
Speaker 1: I'm not distracted by something. I'm genuinely listening. Then I
Speaker 1: can't help but react naturally as a human being would.
Speaker 1: And that's not easy to do. It's it you can
Speaker 1: all I I find I can only do it in spurts,
Speaker 1: which hopefully those spurts can be edited together into something good.
Speaker 1: But but that's the that's sort of my version of
Speaker 1: what you're saying is is is being as present as
Speaker 1: you can and genuinely listening because you're telling the truth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then we react. I remember when I was I
Speaker 1: did this movie The Last Kiss, and I was I
Speaker 1: had a scene with Tom Wilkinson, a wonderful actor, and
Speaker 1: it was one of those moments where this really worked
Speaker 1: for me. He was the cameras were kind of far back.
Speaker 1: I love that when when on the occasion when they
Speaker 1: can be sort of a little bit far away on
Speaker 1: longer lenses. And and and he was just on the
Speaker 1: porch and he's giving me a speech about his daughter,
Speaker 1: and I just remember being so present. I didn't see
Speaker 1: the cameras. I just saw this man talking to me
Speaker 1: and giving me advice about how to deal with with
Speaker 1: my troubled relationship. And I just felt I was so
Speaker 1: in the moment that in in in Spurts, I was
Speaker 1: able to just forget that it wasn't real, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. No, I totally know what you mean.
Speaker 1: When I did Jeez tripping, I got stone with my
Speaker 1: boy Dion right before when I was in Homie SPEMONI, Oh,
Speaker 1: and there was you know, we were at a dance
Speaker 1: at a house party and I was supposed to be
Speaker 1: dancing with this girl at the house party, and I
Speaker 1: was so stone that I forgot we were filming with
Speaker 1: a damn movie. You think this is bullshit. But I
Speaker 1: remember my direction was. I thought you were by the way,
Speaker 1: I just want to stop for a second. I thought
Speaker 1: you were kidding and it was hilarious, but you're serious.
Speaker 1: You got so high you forgot you were doing a movie.
Speaker 1: I forgot that we were making. This is how we
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta see this movie. So we're in a
Speaker 1: scene and we're you know, it's a the house party
Speaker 1: and we're dancing, and I'm dancing with this girl and
Speaker 1: I remembered my direction. My direction is tell her to
Speaker 1: come with you and you guys exit. So we're dancing
Speaker 1: and everything, and now I'm really fucking in and I'm
Speaker 1: looking around, Oh boys and ship, oh you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm waving to my boy you know what
Speaker 1: I mean in the movie and everything like that, and
Speaker 1: I remember Joe, oh, I'm supposed to tell us something.
Speaker 1: So I whispered in the ear, like, yo, let's go
Speaker 1: to the other room, and she goes, okay, let's go.
Speaker 1: And so we're exiting and as I'm walking out, I'm like, oh, shoot,
Speaker 1: I just pulled the check. What I did? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? I'm looking at my boys like I
Speaker 1: look how I did it and then they said cut
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, I didn't. I didn't, but
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't go like we're making a movie.
Speaker 1: But it was like cut and we walked away. My
Speaker 1: boy was like, yo, it really like he was taken
Speaker 1: out of the other room. Oh my god. That's so funny, man.
Speaker 1: So that one would get me. I would get hives
Speaker 1: if I ever found myself in that situation. I would.
Speaker 1: I'm worry too much. How often how often were you
Speaker 1: stoned um while acting on Scrubs? Um percentage of the time.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not as high. To add it to
Speaker 1: the Scrubs Wiki, it's not as high as everybody you know,
Speaker 1: as I made it out to be. But there were
Speaker 1: times where I came to work and I was like, fuck,
Speaker 1: I did it in the morning. By the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I'll be fine, dude. I was problem. I
Speaker 1: had a problem. You know. Be funny if on the
Speaker 1: Scrubs Wicky with each episode it has a little section
Speaker 1: where it says how high Donald was during the filming
Speaker 1: of this episode. You know, it has like a it
Speaker 1: has like a red for very there's like a there's
Speaker 1: like a there's like a color system like how dangerous
Speaker 1: the water is at the beach. Those those days are
Speaker 1: over though, those days her over. But I do remember.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, you know, there's so many actors that
Speaker 1: are baked when they're working. And I'm sure there are
Speaker 1: there are, you know what I mean. But it really
Speaker 1: wasn't for me. Let me tell you something. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get us back on track. Here at six Johnny Johnny.
Speaker 1: If Johnny was always on the show, we'd be much
Speaker 1: more on track. Let me tell you, Let me tell
Speaker 1: you something. The Todd shows up in the eighth six
Speaker 1: hious and he comes up from behind the couch and
Speaker 1: it's kind of creepy. Yeah, it's a lot creepy the
Speaker 1: things he says to her. It's a little creepy, I know.
Speaker 1: But I laughed out loud when he said, um, so,
Speaker 1: is it safe to assume Donald that when you do
Speaker 1: a very graceful jump up onto the nurses station, that
Speaker 1: you are not, in fact wearing silk boxers. I am
Speaker 1: definitely not wearing silk boxers. Do you wear do you
Speaker 1: wear anything out of your scrubs? I did at the
Speaker 1: time because I was look, man, he has got he
Speaker 1: had I got a leaky oh ring and so loose gasket.
Speaker 1: Go lose gasket. Sometimes when you go to the bathroom
Speaker 1: and come back and you got a little peace spot,
Speaker 1: it's embarrassing. So I don't think that you could. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think that it would be appropriate for you
Speaker 1: to not have your your what your situation contained. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there were people that put on their scrubs at
Speaker 1: as Johnny's hand goes out, Really, Johnny, you freeball in
Speaker 1: your scrubs to do One time in the Philippines, we
Speaker 1: were shooting. We're shooting a flick and during boot camp,
Speaker 1: I had to go through a river is called a blue,
Speaker 1: and so we had to go through a blue and
Speaker 1: hold our weapons above our our heads and then we
Speaker 1: got out the other side. I took my fatigues off
Speaker 1: and I had about nine leeches rate near my power source,
Speaker 1: and so I decided and then die. We that are
Speaker 1: our commanant told us that they like warm, wet places
Speaker 1: like under your arms and down in your crotch. And
Speaker 1: I haven't worn underwhear since. And that's all that you
Speaker 1: can't say, you can't preface it with that's all. That's
Speaker 1: what it took. Seven leeches, seven leeches near my near
Speaker 1: my power's horse, No chance, Lance, And how do you
Speaker 1: pull him off? You just can't do you just can
Speaker 1: you just pull a leech off? I've never had a
Speaker 1: leach stuck Dale. Dale came and he used like a
Speaker 1: cigarette butt and and like he'd burn him and pull
Speaker 1: him at the same time. And it was very humiliating
Speaker 1: to take my you know, to have all twenty four
Speaker 1: guys looking at, you know, the Irish donkey with seven leeches. Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm not getting any leeches near. I guess jeans would
Speaker 1: be fine, but scrubs wouldn't work. No gross even oh man,
Speaker 1: I couldn't do with my jeans too much chafing. All right,
Speaker 1: should we get back to the episode. Guys, are you
Speaker 1: boxers or tidy what do you guys? I'm straight up boxers, dude.
Speaker 1: Whites can't happen. No, no, I don't do tidy whities.
Speaker 1: But they're not boxers like traditional boxers, miners sort of
Speaker 1: like clingy, tight soft boxers. There um their stance if
Speaker 1: um if I highly recommend this brand s T A
Speaker 1: n c E. They're not a paid sponsor, but I'm
Speaker 1: giving a stance like the socks. Yes, they make really
Speaker 1: fun socks. But they also make this like butter It's
Speaker 1: called like Butter Rundy's butter Undy's by stands. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go. There's a shout out for butter Undy's. Send
Speaker 1: Donald an x xx L every stance, folks, I don't
Speaker 1: need an X my waist, isn't that big, dude? Oh quadruplex. Wow.
Speaker 1: We got to get back to Kenny and Judy because
Speaker 1: we haven't given them their due. Because the song, the
Speaker 1: song he turns Off, is in fact the song that
Speaker 1: then Sammy and Judy sing together acapella. Beautiful, so pretty.
Speaker 1: That's so tough to do. Also, yes, it was you know,
Speaker 1: they must to practice the lot. They had to have
Speaker 1: practiced that because that's so like even the way luck,
Speaker 1: the cadence and everything was on fire, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. That had to They had to remind everyone
Speaker 1: who's listening what the song was. It was talk dirty
Speaker 1: to me, Yeah, by poison. But they're not again, Uh gosh,
Speaker 1: I'm beating up a dead horse here. But the two
Speaker 1: of them are. They're not showing off. They're not putting
Speaker 1: it up on a bill They're not putting it up
Speaker 1: on a billboard. They're so great, they're so graceful, and
Speaker 1: they're not doing um, can you believe this ship? Because
Speaker 1: Sammy never does that and Judy is the master of
Speaker 1: just navigating her way through a scene, and the two
Speaker 1: of them together are so money and that thing is
Speaker 1: just so lovely. And then the same says I love you.
Speaker 1: I dropped. Yeah, it really made me miss him. Uh
Speaker 1: me too. I had just one of those moments of
Speaker 1: going fucking hell on too soon. This guy is so
Speaker 1: funny and so talented, and uh, I just wish more
Speaker 1: people got to know how talented he was. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was a successful working actor, but I you know,
Speaker 1: I watched him in this and I go, I just
Speaker 1: I wish everyone in the world knew how genius this
Speaker 1: guy his abilities. Man, he just had so many great abilities,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He could make you did
Speaker 1: did you guys at the end of the show actually
Speaker 1: get to throw things off the roof? Yeah? I don't
Speaker 1: remember that because that being a kind of a nightmare
Speaker 1: with it also dates the show with Letterman talking about
Speaker 1: let you want to throw stuff off the roof? Like Letterman,
Speaker 1: It's like Letterman hasn't been on for what ten years now,
Speaker 1: well for those of you who are too young to
Speaker 1: or didn't ever watch Letterman. He would often throw large
Speaker 1: objects off the roof of the Ed Sullivan Theater, and
Speaker 1: it was just before he moved to CBS. No, I
Speaker 1: think it was a bit he did for the whole
Speaker 1: his whole thing. I don't remember. I don't remember, but um,
Speaker 1: but I think we did. I have a weird memory
Speaker 1: of feeling like it was kind of dangerous. It's probably
Speaker 1: something they wouldn't let us do today, with all the
Speaker 1: with with the with the increase in set safety, because
Speaker 1: the wall of that roof wasn't incredibly high and we
Speaker 1: were hurling watermelons over the sex. I don't know that
Speaker 1: that would be approved by uh by HR at this
Speaker 1: at this day and age. By the way, my Bill
Speaker 1: Cosby that that made me laugh out loud, and I
Speaker 1: think it made me laugh. I think it made me
Speaker 1: laugh because how bad my bill. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: it was turned up to eleven. It was, it was
Speaker 1: turned up to eleven. Yeah, it was almost like you
Speaker 1: were doing an impression Eddie Murphy and Eddie Murphy doing
Speaker 1: this impression. Now, why pudding. I didn't even that was
Speaker 1: such a non sequitor, like we put putting in medical
Speaker 1: gloves and then toss him off the roof. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then you went into a put I wonder if that
Speaker 1: was in the script. Do you think I was in
Speaker 1: the script or you just riffed that. No, that was
Speaker 1: definitely in the script. Were putting off the roof? They
Speaker 1: definitely put it in the show. I would like to
Speaker 1: talk to you about it. Would like to talk to
Speaker 1: get about some of the things you've been doing in
Speaker 1: your show, about some of the things that you do
Speaker 1: in your show now and then and then and then
Speaker 1: kneel at the end saying horror. Yeah, like the clockalypse
Speaker 1: now right. I think that was the I learned from Scrubs. Wicky,
Speaker 1: that was the first time Neil has ever been alone
Speaker 1: in a scene. Really, Oh my goodness, yeahs Wicky, they
Speaker 1: really happen. But he gets Billy. Billy puts them alone
Speaker 1: more and more as the when him building that squirrel
Speaker 1: thing in his garage, and I think that, m I
Speaker 1: think it's more and more alone. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: that this was a shifted Neil, like I think he
Speaker 1: entered the world of regular cast member around here. And
Speaker 1: there is an episode where Neil is not going to
Speaker 1: be on this show in the first season, and that's
Speaker 1: how they got around him not being a regular. If
Speaker 1: I really, if I recall correctly, let's ask all we
Speaker 1: can ask Bill, right, that's a good Ask Bill, good ahead, Donald,
Speaker 1: ask Bill Bill coma if my memory serves me correctly,
Speaker 1: isn't there an episode where there's no janitor? And if so,
Speaker 1: was that related to tiptoeing around his contract because he
Speaker 1: would have had to have been a regular of some sort.
Speaker 1: Do not say five six seven eight, Bill, We'll shut
Speaker 1: it down. Neil Flynn did not have to test for
Speaker 1: the part of the janitor, so he was not listed
Speaker 1: as a regular. You know, I just cast him as
Speaker 1: a guest star in the pilot the intention of putting
Speaker 1: him in every episode, and then we did put him
Speaker 1: in every episode as a recer guy, and at the
Speaker 1: very end made him. You know, I was able to
Speaker 1: convince the networks they liked him a lot, that we
Speaker 1: needed to pay to make him a regular the second year. Originally, um,
Speaker 1: they only wanted him in a maximum of four episodes,
Speaker 1: but I was like four, You're gonna have him in
Speaker 1: like five six seven eight. Stopping this fucking guy. Let's
Speaker 1: take a break. We'll be right back after these fine words. Hi, Hi, Hi,
Speaker 1: We're back in back quick. After a quick pea break,
Speaker 1: we're back at Joel introduced us. It's Jeremy. Lee nailed it.
Speaker 1: There's our Jeremy. You got the Oprah introduction. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a sacred right that only Jeremy. Are you in
Speaker 1: a office? I'm in my home office right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well Jeremy like office beddy? Okay, Oprah? Can you chill
Speaker 1: for two seconds? Jeremy, we'll do that. Brof Do you
Speaker 1: get a car? You get car, Jeremy. Um tell us
Speaker 1: you have a special special day to be on the
Speaker 1: podcast because the legendary, the living legend, Johnny C McGinley
Speaker 1: has joined us. So, who do you have a question
Speaker 1: for three of the cast members of the TV show Scrubs.
Speaker 1: I do have a question with if I don't mind,
Speaker 1: just a quick background, I work with children with autism,
Speaker 1: and so we actually did research at this my wonderful
Speaker 1: company and nonprofit Autism Partnership Foundation to research if we
Speaker 1: could change a kid with autism to like social things,
Speaker 1: not just toys or food. Um, and so we actually
Speaker 1: stole from an episode that you guys did and got
Speaker 1: children to actually enjoy the social aspect of that instead
Speaker 1: of their favorite toy. So I guess my first question
Speaker 1: is yeah, and it's published in a journal so you
Speaker 1: can look at it. Hungry chicken. That's incredible good for
Speaker 1: the most question is who came up with the hungry chicken?
Speaker 1: Because we use all the time. Wow, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think that's Bill Lawrence that came up with one
Speaker 1: of the writers, right am? I right? Guys? Oh god,
Speaker 1: if you if you throw this a billy, he's going
Speaker 1: to do a five. You know, we got a limit him.
Speaker 1: We gotta limit him. He doesn't get too many. Um,
Speaker 1: that is a good question. I have no idea. I
Speaker 1: think it must have been one of the writers. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, we gotta throw it to Bill. So wait,
Speaker 1: just explain a little bit more. Um, the children who
Speaker 1: have autism, you say they would they would rather interact
Speaker 1: with the toy, and you use this to give them
Speaker 1: a way to interact without having a toy involved. Both
Speaker 1: think like children thoughts to them only like toys or
Speaker 1: only want food, and they only use that to motivate them.
Speaker 1: But we know we can motivate them socially too, because
Speaker 1: they need to be social and it's a social disorder.
Speaker 1: So we would take the hungry chicken and we would
Speaker 1: have do it with a friend of theirs and then
Speaker 1: see if after we did it with them, they would
Speaker 1: pick that or favorite or their favorite toy. And so
Speaker 1: we were able to show, like by really selling it
Speaker 1: and really and a lot of hungry chicken, that they
Speaker 1: would pick a social motivator instead of like food or
Speaker 1: M and M's, which is that's amazing. Well, now I
Speaker 1: really wish I could take credit for inventing that, because
Speaker 1: that's a very inspiring story. Um wow, do you have
Speaker 1: another question for us? Yeah, I guess I do. Um.
Speaker 1: So you've talked a little bit about the music on
Speaker 1: the show, um, and I just think the music on
Speaker 1: the show is great. And um Zack just to say,
Speaker 1: I think the Garden State soundtrack is one of the
Speaker 1: best soundtracks ever. Thank you. It's a mixtape. Hold on,
Speaker 1: it's a mixtape. It's a mixtape. I want a Grammy
Speaker 1: four moments, but yeah, if you want a mix tape Grammy,
Speaker 1: you want mixed. I didn't even know they had a
Speaker 1: mix tape Grammy, but it turns out they do. And
Speaker 1: you won that ship. I did, I did. You've held it?
Speaker 1: I have got I got thet I got the I
Speaker 1: got the fucking first award in my egot. I didn't
Speaker 1: think was gonna be my first. I thought it might
Speaker 1: be my last. Right if you get when you get
Speaker 1: the egot, you already got the Grammy right. I thought
Speaker 1: I was going to do like a book on tape. Jeremy,
Speaker 1: do you know what is? Of course? And Grammy Oscar Tony, Yes, sir, yes,
Speaker 1: but thank you, thank you, Jeremy. Um I Donald ruined
Speaker 1: my my praise from you, and I want to thank you.
Speaker 1: It was it was shocking too to everyone involved that
Speaker 1: that soundtrack was so successful, but I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: It really is a good soundtrack. Though, do you guys
Speaker 1: just like already have a song in mind you know
Speaker 1: when that episode comes, or do you listen to a
Speaker 1: song and you know, oh, that'll be a great song
Speaker 1: to add to a soundtrack one day. I think what
Speaker 1: happens is um there There were some writers that were involved.
Speaker 1: There was of course Christa Miller who plays Jordan and
Speaker 1: his Bill's wife and she's very very into it and
Speaker 1: very good at it. And Bill and then the editor
Speaker 1: and then I think what happens is you sort of
Speaker 1: this is the way I do it for my films
Speaker 1: as well. You sort of build a big ask playlist
Speaker 1: of potential songs. You feel like, oh, these would be
Speaker 1: great for a montage or or this is a really
Speaker 1: moving song for somewhere you don't really know, and then
Speaker 1: when you get in the edit, you start to go,
Speaker 1: let's try that song, and then you see and I
Speaker 1: just I I always jokingly have a goose bump detector.
Speaker 1: You can listen to twenty five songs and they're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's okay, and then all of a sudden you watch
Speaker 1: it and you just get goose bumps up and down
Speaker 1: your arm and you go, okay, well that's obviously a contender. Um.
Speaker 1: And and that's a lot of trial and error, a
Speaker 1: lot of trial and error, and UM. These days it's
Speaker 1: even harder because so many people are doing it that
Speaker 1: when I made my film Wish I Was Here, we
Speaker 1: would we would try it, and we'd fall in love
Speaker 1: with the song, and then we look up online. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, no, it's been used in grades anatomy,
Speaker 1: it's been used on this, it's been using this movie.
Speaker 1: Wasn't so it's even harder now because you've got to
Speaker 1: find music that hasn't been done to death in in
Speaker 1: uh in being used in with film. Wow. I mean
Speaker 1: I think a really a really good example that is
Speaker 1: Joshi is your friend Joshy and the different music he
Speaker 1: brought to the show, ZACKI was just astonishing. Yeah, Joshua
Speaker 1: rayding m was a a is an artist that we
Speaker 1: love a lot. And actually, Johnny, I don't even know
Speaker 1: if you know this, trivia that his song Winter, which
Speaker 1: is in that famous episode where we where we lose
Speaker 1: Brendan Frasier, was the first song you've ever written. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, wasn't the one hit wonder dude? Well this
Speaker 1: many years yeah, this many years later. I loved his
Speaker 1: cover on Alex Sink that first episode. Just oh of
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan, Thank you. You're you're the so you're the
Speaker 1: guy that was watching Alex Sync. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: My wife and I who was really sad you couldn't
Speaker 1: be here. But she's actually a second year resident, so
Speaker 1: she's off at the hospital. Yeah, well, thank you and
Speaker 1: thank you for being such a fan of of all
Speaker 1: things Scrubs and Alex s Inc. And Garden State I
Speaker 1: really ship and all you guys guys are amazing. Man,
Speaker 1: you don't even know my name. That was Jeremy. No,
Speaker 1: we were just watching Can't Hardly Wait. My wife is
Speaker 1: not from America. We were watching Can't Hardly Wait, and
Speaker 1: we I forgot you were in it. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: that's the best way to That's great, that's great. Right,
Speaker 1: it was going right and then like he was like,
Speaker 1: he's like. I turned to my wife and I was like,
Speaker 1: did you remember the tay digs in a Jeremy give
Speaker 1: it up? Thunderous applause, then for Jeremy Lee, Jeremy, stay
Speaker 1: safe and keep doing the beautiful work you're doing with
Speaker 1: with autistic children. And thank you so much for for
Speaker 1: the kind words. Oh, thank you so much for having
Speaker 1: and we appreciate it. Thanks buddy. Well, guys, I think
Speaker 1: we did it. We we've gone We've gone long. The
Speaker 1: people seem to love it. Whenever I say I've gotten
Speaker 1: a lot of chatter on my instat saying stop, saying
Speaker 1: you've gone too long. We don't want you, guys to stop,
Speaker 1: but we want to. You know, I had a great
Speaker 1: acting teacher. He used to say, give him ten minutes
Speaker 1: less than they want? Was this great acting teacher that
Speaker 1: you have ever on Scrubs? Yes? By the way, did
Speaker 1: you know that? Dude? Come on, man, I thought you
Speaker 1: may have forgotten with your stoner break. Who did who did?
Speaker 1: Who was your acting teacher? And who did I had?
Speaker 1: I had the privilege to work with Zach's acting teacher,
Speaker 1: David Downs. David Downs, I worked who did David play?
Speaker 1: He played the one whose kid was in a coma
Speaker 1: or broke his Uh, I don't, I don't remember. I
Speaker 1: directed the episode. It was this wasn't the epic Heather
Speaker 1: Graham one wasn't. No, it wasn't. It was like he
Speaker 1: broke his sonny that broke his back or I forget
Speaker 1: what it was. But you know, he asked me to
Speaker 1: be honest with him and he was like his one line.
Speaker 1: I remember the part of the interaction we had. He
Speaker 1: said to me, do you shave your head because it's
Speaker 1: cool or because you're bold? And I go, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a really good episode. Um, we'll have to figure
Speaker 1: out what it was, but um, yeah, David Downs was
Speaker 1: my acting teacher at Northwestern and also a beautiful actor,
Speaker 1: and so I had him do a guest star on
Speaker 1: Scrubs always. I always feel like one of the great
Speaker 1: gifts of being Mr Boulger, either a hit show or
Speaker 1: producing a movie is throwing talented friends, not just random friends,
Speaker 1: talented friends, putting them on your piece. And I did
Speaker 1: it with it half a dozen actors on Scrubs And then,
Speaker 1: if people are right, I do it all the time
Speaker 1: of the movies I'm producing too. Yeah, you have some
Speaker 1: very talented friends. Yeah, you've got quite a posse of Sorry,
Speaker 1: I just don't interrupt. Oh, I know what it was.
Speaker 1: Why it was special? It was the Wizard of Oz episode.
Speaker 1: Joel is telling us in the chat. It was Mr
Speaker 1: Boulger and his son was brain dead and it's someone's
Speaker 1: brain end. It was the It was a season five
Speaker 1: episode seven. If you're if you're listening and are curious,
Speaker 1: um it was. Yeah, it was I that that epic
Speaker 1: was Diz episode. But Mr Boulger would be an homage
Speaker 1: to Ray Boulder, Yes, sir, it would be Johnny. You
Speaker 1: have a lot of you have a lot of friends
Speaker 1: that like are almost like mentors to me, like Eric Lasal,
Speaker 1: Michael Beach. These are people that you've known, Yeah, since
Speaker 1: you like out of college or you went to college
Speaker 1: with a lot of these guys, Eric and I. Eric
Speaker 1: and I went to college together, and uh, that's he's
Speaker 1: my guy, Johnny. And these guys are like, these guys
Speaker 1: are like, you know, uh, mentors to me, Like you know,
Speaker 1: when I was a young actor, Michael Beach was one
Speaker 1: of the people. When I was doing weight in Exhale.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, this is what you need to
Speaker 1: do if you want to be successful. Stop smoking that
Speaker 1: damn cigarette that you're holding onto like I was smoking.
Speaker 1: Was like, I want to be a movie star smoking
Speaker 1: a cigarette a table read. He was like, oh, you
Speaker 1: want to be a movie star. Put the cigarette down, dude,
Speaker 1: Like Mike is no lie mist straight up, Johnny. I
Speaker 1: remember I was taking the other day. You were on
Speaker 1: a movie, big movie, the one um that took place
Speaker 1: at the motel with Cusack and all Identity. Jim Jim
Speaker 1: Angel directed I Identity and it's a really good movie.
Speaker 1: I recommend to you. I I liked a lot, but
Speaker 1: I was I remember you said you want to come
Speaker 1: visit the set because the set was really cool. Even
Speaker 1: though it looks like it's all outside, it was all
Speaker 1: in a giant sound stage and it was all pissing
Speaker 1: rain the whole time, and uh, and you said you
Speaker 1: got You said you gotta come see this set. It's
Speaker 1: really cool. And I was like, I can't believe I'm
Speaker 1: allowed to and uh and I came to visit you
Speaker 1: one day on set and it was just so cool.
Speaker 1: And I just I thought of that because I know
Speaker 1: a bunch of your buddies. Uh. You know, it feels
Speaker 1: like you and your posse often cast each other in
Speaker 1: each other's films. I think it's I think if your
Speaker 1: posse is talented, I mean there's there's some outliers, but
Speaker 1: then then yeah, good, it's gonna it's gonna make I
Speaker 1: like that too. I like to use the same people
Speaker 1: over and over again. But you didn't use Donald in
Speaker 1: Garden State. Oh Jesus, here we go. Thank you, Thank you, Johnny,
Speaker 1: thank you very much, like Oliver Stone used John c McGinley.
Speaker 1: And so many times, so many times I've made you
Speaker 1: would think that Zach Braff would take a you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, you know, uh, I want you
Speaker 1: to be the I want you to be the Johnny
Speaker 1: c McGinley to my Oliver Stone. You say that now,
Speaker 1: but I don't think I don't think how many movies
Speaker 1: did you do with him? John h six? Wow, that's incredible, incredible,
Speaker 1: and there's some and they're six of the best. What
Speaker 1: about talk radio. I was thinking about you and talk
Speaker 1: radio the other day. I was thinking about you in
Speaker 1: seven And for those of you don't remember, Johnny's in
Speaker 1: one of one of my favorite movies. Seven. And then Johnny,
Speaker 1: you go, I don't know if you improv did you
Speaker 1: improve this? When you go somebody? Somebody that was incredibly
Speaker 1: He's in the chopper right when right when the ship
Speaker 1: goes down with there wasn't the box once in the box,
Speaker 1: and then David gave us as much rope as we
Speaker 1: wanted to hang ourselves with. He he lets the actors
Speaker 1: run and then he'll chop it together and post, but
Speaker 1: he lets you run. There were two scenes, so you're
Speaker 1: in the chapper, but you're also in when they bomb
Speaker 1: rushed the room too, right, yeah, with the ecated guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but out there forget. I remember getting goose bumps when
Speaker 1: you know, before I even knew you, Johnny, and and
Speaker 1: you were and you go, oh my god, somebody calls
Speaker 1: somebody and I was like, that's such a good would
Speaker 1: emaciated guy. David found out there was asbestos in that
Speaker 1: building and he wasn't down with it. So we shut
Speaker 1: down for a while and found another building, and that
Speaker 1: was a whole to do. Um. That was a complete clusterfuck.
Speaker 1: When he found out there was asbestos in that building.
Speaker 1: You know you have but you know you have budget
Speaker 1: when they're like, there's asbesis in the building, which shutting down.
Speaker 1: I've never been on a movie that had that power.
Speaker 1: But again, I'm no Fincher. Man. I love Fincher, and man,
Speaker 1: I love that movie. That's one of my favorites. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody shines in that movie. What's in the Box? Um
Speaker 1: On that note, we love you all for listening. Keep
Speaker 1: chatting us on and still you make us laugh. And
Speaker 1: if you have a question, scrubs I heart at gmail
Speaker 1: dot com. Joel will decide if your question is worthy
Speaker 1: for air, Right Joel, Joel yields all the power. Don't
Speaker 1: yell at me and Donald. We don't do anything, Joel.
Speaker 1: A lot of people like the fact that we talk
Speaker 1: Star Wars too. I'm just gonna put it out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw that too, getting a lot of d n
Speaker 1: There was a lot of there was a lot of
Speaker 1: talk about I saw much to my dismay, I saw
Speaker 1: someone going. I really thought Donald and Joel's inside, about
Speaker 1: Quick and Joe whatever it six seven, eight stories a boy,
Speaker 1: sure we made about a bunch of docs and nurses
Speaker 1: and Janitor who loved me. I said, he's the stories
Speaker 1: netball should go. So gather around you. Here are gather
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