Speaker 1: What are you drinking today? That that liquor cabinets getting empty?
Speaker 1: What have we got today? Listenish habits lemonade. I hear
Speaker 1: the liquor store is not the place to go. I went,
Speaker 1: when'd you go? I gloved up, I masked up, I
Speaker 1: has matted up, and I went in and filled a
Speaker 1: freaking basket. Yeah, you know, it's crazy they're talking about
Speaker 1: opening it back up. Well not California. Texas is talking
Speaker 1: about opening back up next week. Yeah, well that's not
Speaker 1: gonna work out. That's just the dumbest thing I've ever
Speaker 1: heard in my life. That's not gonna work out for anyone.
Speaker 1: Good thing we have Governor newsom I think is doing
Speaker 1: offense and Garsetti man, thankodness for Garsetti too. Man, both
Speaker 1: doing well. Let's give them both a shout out. On
Speaker 1: hold on, let's see here's some stories about show we
Speaker 1: made about a bunch of dots and nurses and stories.
Speaker 1: So yet around here, yea around here, as Donald phazon Um,
Speaker 1: it's a very very exciting day today on this podcast.
Speaker 1: Do you know why we're getting epic today? We're going now,
Speaker 1: we're going uber epic today. Yeah, I mean, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, the creator of the show. That's fancy, America's
Speaker 1: favorite Canadian, Sarah Chawk. That's fancy, But nothing is as
Speaker 1: fancy as someone who we love as much as this man,
Speaker 1: who I can say I learned a lot as an
Speaker 1: actor from and uh is just a really fucking talented
Speaker 1: and hilarious human being. Stand by Dan with the thunderous
Speaker 1: applause que Johnny c McGinley, Yeah, your boy, the legend,
Speaker 1: the legend that is John c McGinley. Hello, Donald, Hello, Zachie,
Speaker 1: how are you? I'm firmer, Yeah, you are always, always,
Speaker 1: always Johnny, how's your how's the you know you were?
Speaker 1: You were saying just before we started recording that you
Speaker 1: know that you had been homeschooling your kids, So this
Speaker 1: isn't as odd of a switch for you. Tell tell
Speaker 1: everybody a little bit about that. We've been homeschooling forever.
Speaker 1: Billy is twelve, Kates almost ten, and we've been homeschooling
Speaker 1: for since, all the way through elementary school. Here one thing,
Speaker 1: and this is the friends, obviously, and we've been taking
Speaker 1: this thing super seriously. And we're totally locked down because
Speaker 1: we've got Nicole, my wife's father here, who has some
Speaker 1: pre existing challenges and pre existing conditions, and so we've
Speaker 1: been taking this thing by the letter. And so look,
Speaker 1: we're lucky enough to live in this place. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's I built a baseball field during the writer's strike
Speaker 1: on Scrubs, and so there's a baseball field right behind me,
Speaker 1: and so we use that almost as a playground. And
Speaker 1: you know, there's stuff. This is a kid compound, so
Speaker 1: they can run around here, but they don't get to
Speaker 1: see their friends. They don't go to do dance and
Speaker 1: aeriel and pottery and all the stuff you do when
Speaker 1: you're not homeschooling or go down to the beach. Friends.
Speaker 1: Do you have friends like I was just thinking about Donald,
Speaker 1: who who are homeschooling for the first time? Who are
Speaker 1: calling you like gunny advice or anything? Because I'm watching
Speaker 1: Donald do it and he's like hiding out in his closet.
Speaker 1: I've run below my kids. This is how bad. People
Speaker 1: don't call this department for that. They call they call
Speaker 1: upstairs to the Nicole department. Then she and I need
Speaker 1: to get on the phone because I am failing miserably.
Speaker 1: My wife is My wife is a champion. She runs
Speaker 1: the household. But I feel like I'm starting to slack
Speaker 1: so much that she's like, when this is over, I'm
Speaker 1: leaving you. I think if you could compartmentalize and play
Speaker 1: to your strengths, Donald, you'd be better off. I don't
Speaker 1: have many strengths. John How you do? You've got sports?
Speaker 1: Johnny said, he's doing pe. You could be in charge
Speaker 1: of PE. I have a competitive spirit in me that
Speaker 1: won't allow my kids to beat me. I have problems, guys, problems. Well,
Speaker 1: then my son screams at me because I never let
Speaker 1: him win. He probably started meeting me at this. We
Speaker 1: have this thing called Papa Shot, and it's like you
Speaker 1: know how you go to the carnival, of course, and
Speaker 1: you get to shoot as many jump shots as you
Speaker 1: can and you verse somebody we have that. He destroys
Speaker 1: me in that so much so that I don't want
Speaker 1: to play the game anymore. Man, Well, I'm so I'm
Speaker 1: still for you guys doing this. This Uh, this podcast
Speaker 1: I've listened to. This is either the fourth or fifth one.
Speaker 1: I've listened to everything, and it's I've listened to it
Speaker 1: while I'm working out, because it's about an hour and
Speaker 1: a half or so, and I put it on and
Speaker 1: I go in the garage and it just makes me happy?
Speaker 1: Does it? Does it get when when the theme song
Speaker 1: comes on? Does that get you pumped? I liked it. Well,
Speaker 1: you guys are so goddamn town, Johnny, Johnny, we wrote that.
Speaker 1: It's our first It's our first time. As as as lyricists. Donald,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've been a lyricist before, but
Speaker 1: it's my first time as a lyricist putting. I put
Speaker 1: a lyric or two two songs in song for him.
Speaker 1: I've done it. Yes, Well, it's my first time, and I, uh,
Speaker 1: you're very good at it. That's not your first time, dude,
Speaker 1: Do you see that? Listen, guys, you don't remember the
Speaker 1: songs that we had. Baby, keep it real, baby last him.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of you all of in my crew. See see,
Speaker 1: Donald's so goddamn talented. He could sing all these songs
Speaker 1: and remember his lines. I could only do one thing,
Speaker 1: remember my lines. Well, I want to talk about that
Speaker 1: for a second, Johnny, because Donald did. Donald. You, as
Speaker 1: far as I see it, in the world of scrubs,
Speaker 1: there were two extremes. There was you knowing every fucking
Speaker 1: piece of syllable and punctuation, Mark and Donald being like
Speaker 1: am I in the scene. Yeah, but Donald's so goddamn
Speaker 1: talented that even if it took him three or four takes,
Speaker 1: the fourth take was perfect. It was heaven. I mean
Speaker 1: in this episode, in this episode we'll talk about in
Speaker 1: this but there's a scene where he dances to Michael Jackson,
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson knockoff and Billy had to be just it's
Speaker 1: like a fair catch in football. He's just like that
Speaker 1: was manna from heaven that an actor would bust that out.
Speaker 1: That's not on the page, that was not on the page.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. I think that's also the beginning of turk
Speaker 1: dancing and damn near it's hussible believable, but a gift. Yeah, yeah, Johnny,
Speaker 1: what was talk a little bit about how you did
Speaker 1: those because sometimes, just for people that are listening, Johnny
Speaker 1: would sometimes get those speeches the night before, because the
Speaker 1: writer sometimes the day before, hours before. Absolute. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I just for those of you who don't memorize for
Speaker 1: a living, it can be very hard. But doing what
Speaker 1: Johnny had to do on the spot is sometimes close
Speaker 1: to impossible. So I remember you having a bit of
Speaker 1: a system, will you will you talk about that for people, Well,
Speaker 1: I keep these composition books, you know, the composition books
Speaker 1: you have in high school, those black and white things. Well,
Speaker 1: the first thing I do is I write out the
Speaker 1: text in my own hand, and then in the margins
Speaker 1: have put the verbs of what I'm doing. And so
Speaker 1: that just by virtue of writing it out starts to
Speaker 1: get it in your skull. And then by assigning verbs
Speaker 1: to every action that you're doing, that's the second stage.
Speaker 1: And then if I had time, I keep a rehearsal
Speaker 1: space here. I would go down and there's a whole
Speaker 1: kind of little film studio downstairs, and I would get
Speaker 1: in front of that. But a lot of times that
Speaker 1: was out the window because Billy would hand it to
Speaker 1: you on your way into the hospital. And I'm not
Speaker 1: being method. Hospital. We did, in fact, work in a
Speaker 1: defunct hospital. Sometimes I'll say that. The different people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're so method. I'm like, no, I'm not fucking method.
Speaker 1: It was a hospital, so set the fuck up. And
Speaker 1: so I got when I got to the hospital, and
Speaker 1: they would hand me new lines every year. Disney would
Speaker 1: give us make it up. You guys, remember, but fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred dollars to improve our dressing rooms, since our dressing
Speaker 1: rooms were hospital rooms where people had died and where
Speaker 1: people had been saved. And what I did with my
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars is I doubled down, and I hired
Speaker 1: an acoustic firm, and they came in and sound proved
Speaker 1: my dressing room so I wouldn't have to hear you
Speaker 1: idiots in the hallway and all the dogs. For some reason,
Speaker 1: because one or two of you brought your dogs, the
Speaker 1: whole crew decided, well, if Zach and Donald can do it,
Speaker 1: the guy in sound and the guy the productions that
Speaker 1: he can do it. So all of a sudden there
Speaker 1: was a pack of about the Steen dogs and as
Speaker 1: Karma would have it, And I like dogs. I hate
Speaker 1: most people's dogs. I just I like dogs, but I
Speaker 1: don't like them at work. And so I remember, I
Speaker 1: remember that. I remember all I would all you would
Speaker 1: hear was get out. I'm trying to remember two space,
Speaker 1: two pages, single space. Do you remember do you remember
Speaker 1: in the Christmas Story how how he's always fighting the
Speaker 1: dogs next door. That was like Johnny cur on our
Speaker 1: floor because Johnny c was like, oh, someone shut the
Speaker 1: dogs up. The dogs all wanted to be with Johnny
Speaker 1: C and around absolutely and so much so that I
Speaker 1: don't know what you guys are remembered. I don't know
Speaker 1: what season. But I wrote a letter to our bosses
Speaker 1: at Disney, to the HR Department Human Resources. And then
Speaker 1: I did what you're supposed to do with an angry letter.
Speaker 1: I according to my grandfather, I put it in the
Speaker 1: drawer for two nights. You're supposed to take angry letters.
Speaker 1: You don't press. This was not when you press send.
Speaker 1: I wrote it and I put it in the drawer
Speaker 1: for two nights. And in the intervening time, someone got
Speaker 1: nipped by a dog on our war and Disney found
Speaker 1: out about it, not because of me, and they were like, what,
Speaker 1: they're seventeen dogs kissing and shitting on the third floor.
Speaker 1: And I took that letter and I put it right
Speaker 1: over in the shredder because I thought you were I
Speaker 1: thought you were gonna give us a big reveal that
Speaker 1: you had written the HR letter. But you're saying you
Speaker 1: never said to it. I did not. I kept it
Speaker 1: in the drawer. And then I was let off the hook.
Speaker 1: Because if you're the guy who made it so that
Speaker 1: people couldn't bring their goddamn dogs to work. Then you're
Speaker 1: that guy. I was, look the fact that matters that
Speaker 1: you asked, how do you memorize those things? Good fear?
Speaker 1: Fear is a really good thing. And I was such
Speaker 1: afraid to disappoint Billy and I wanted him to write
Speaker 1: those things for me. And so you were so good
Speaker 1: out a way to get him into my skull. You
Speaker 1: were so good at it, John, And those rants. I
Speaker 1: was looking on YouTube just as we were gearing up
Speaker 1: for this episode, and just like people have like top
Speaker 1: five Doctor Cox rants, like it's like a thing. People
Speaker 1: love to just listen back to those, and some of
Speaker 1: them are just so epic and hilarious. Where they get
Speaker 1: hard is when Billy started and I don't know whether
Speaker 1: it was season four or five six, it's a good problem.
Speaker 1: When he just started writing lists that had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the item that came before it, and he
Speaker 1: just write two pages of lists reasons why I don't
Speaker 1: care about you becoming a doctor or something like that,
Speaker 1: and they're just this random list. Those were hard re memorizing.
Speaker 1: The story is if he's a cake, but these lists
Speaker 1: two pages, single space a list. On the other side,
Speaker 1: we were talking about how Donald would show up and
Speaker 1: be like, oh shit, I got a monologue today. You know,
Speaker 1: that was a time in my life. That was a
Speaker 1: time in my life. I don't know, I just I
Speaker 1: don't know what was the matter with me. I smoked.
Speaker 1: I smoked a lot of marijuana back then too, not
Speaker 1: that I don't now, but I smoked a tremendous amount
Speaker 1: back then. I don't think this was the beginning of
Speaker 1: the run that I did this. I think as I
Speaker 1: got comfortable, things changed, and as the show got successful,
Speaker 1: things changed and I slacked, and I remember somebody asking
Speaker 1: me like, dude, what do you do when you go home?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I live my life. They were like,
Speaker 1: they were like, but what about your job. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's getting done, like I was. So I think you
Speaker 1: just got comfortable that you knew that you'd get it,
Speaker 1: and you knew that it would be cut together and
Speaker 1: it would be funny. So you're just like, well, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I was, Yeah, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what it was. Since then, I have, you know,
Speaker 1: I've tried to make sure that if I ever ran
Speaker 1: into anyone else, if I ran into people on other
Speaker 1: jobs that worked with me on scrubs, and remembered how
Speaker 1: I was on scrubs. I wanted them to have a
Speaker 1: completely different opinion of me after we finished working. And
Speaker 1: so it's, if anything, all of the you know, all
Speaker 1: of the you know, me being unprepared and stuff like
Speaker 1: that prepared me for later on because now forget about it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like you, Johnny, if I mess up
Speaker 1: a line, I'm putting a hole through a wall or
Speaker 1: something like that. You know what I mean. I want
Speaker 1: to get it done in three or four takes. I
Speaker 1: want us to get out of here. If I'm not done.
Speaker 1: If I can't do it in three takes, then forget
Speaker 1: about it, man. Like, then I've wasted I feel like
Speaker 1: I've wasted everybody's time. Well I feel that more, especially
Speaker 1: now when it's not your own show. When I'm going
Speaker 1: to do a supporting part on something and I fuck
Speaker 1: up a line, I just I get so mad at myself.
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny, you know, after doing the show
Speaker 1: for nine years, we were so comfortable, and that comfortableness
Speaker 1: led to a lot of amazing stuff because there was
Speaker 1: no wrong answer, and we were so silly with each
Speaker 1: other and we could riff. But now I find when
Speaker 1: I go do roles where I'm not the lead, or
Speaker 1: I'm supporting, or i'm or I'm in any whatever I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I'm really get mad at myself if I fuck up
Speaker 1: a line like I really, I really put more effort
Speaker 1: into it than I ever have. I was about to say,
Speaker 1: because Zach, I remember a night where you put the
Speaker 1: sides people out there who don't know what sides are there,
Speaker 1: the piece of paper where the line where they write,
Speaker 1: the where they miniaturize the script into. It's just the
Speaker 1: tiny Each day we get a tiny version of the script.
Speaker 1: It's probably I don't know what is it, like eight
Speaker 1: inches by four inches something like that. I remember one
Speaker 1: night where you take those sides to my forehead on
Speaker 1: off camera. Yeah, but I would like everyone to google
Speaker 1: Marlon Brando in The Godfather and you'll see and you
Speaker 1: can just put in like Marlin Rando Godfather line memorization
Speaker 1: and you'll see a picture with James Kahn with a
Speaker 1: huge poster board taped to his chest. No, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying is this real? Yeah, I'll send you guys the picture.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm I'm I'm Marlon Brando. But I
Speaker 1: am saying you're James Kahn and I, uh yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: there's times where you go, I'm fucked. I do not
Speaker 1: know this. Donald, Would you mind taping this to your forehead? No,
Speaker 1: you didn't say, Donald, would your mind? You were like,
Speaker 1: come here now, used to the fuck? I remember taking
Speaker 1: them and be like you mother, I will know. What
Speaker 1: we used to do is like, whenever there was a
Speaker 1: place to hide them out of camera, we'd tape them
Speaker 1: to the desk, We'd tape them to whatever. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: tape them to the front of the camera. But I
Speaker 1: remember that one time I couldn't get it down and
Speaker 1: was like the time was running out, and I was like, Donald,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but I need my character needs to
Speaker 1: be looking at your face. Johnny. You never did that. Donald,
Speaker 1: Donald and I would hide our sides all over place.
Speaker 1: I don't have any member you ever doing. Johnny used
Speaker 1: to have like little notes here and there in your hand. No,
Speaker 1: but not he wouldn't hide them and reference them during
Speaker 1: the scene like you. No, no, no, no. I just
Speaker 1: if I was struggling with Latin, which all medical terms
Speaker 1: are Latin based, if I was struggling with something in
Speaker 1: Latin that I hadn't been on the phone with real
Speaker 1: JD for an hour the night before, I would I
Speaker 1: would fanatically put it on those clipboards that we carried,
Speaker 1: and the last second I'd take a look. Now, I remember,
Speaker 1: the hardest one ever was broken heart syndrome. Was Toka
Speaker 1: subo cardio myopathy. And that's about this long, and I
Speaker 1: still freaking remember it took a subo cardio myopathy. Now,
Speaker 1: legend has it that some of the best home tests
Speaker 1: for movies or television shows have happened at your house.
Speaker 1: Is it true that you once dug a hole in
Speaker 1: your backyard or a part? No, that's not true. No,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about. Why would he dig a
Speaker 1: hole in his backyard? I thought he was self tape
Speaker 1: and was digging a home. Oh oh, he's saying that you,
Speaker 1: you like, got all into your self tapes and would
Speaker 1: dig holes. What what would that be for platoon? Like
Speaker 1: he's going to audition something. No. No, I've met with
Speaker 1: Oliver five times. No, but you did. But you did
Speaker 1: used to self tape at home a lot. Though at
Speaker 1: some point, right well, when that came into vogue. Sure,
Speaker 1: now you can do it on this thing, but for
Speaker 1: a little while, you know, there's a camera on a
Speaker 1: tripod down there was down in the rehearsal space and yeah,
Speaker 1: for a little while. That that's what auditions this came
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, Johnnie, that's a good segue into into
Speaker 1: your auditioning for this. Well you, Donald and I and
Speaker 1: we asked Sarah to talk a little bit about our
Speaker 1: experiences are hilarious, right listen. I listened to all of
Speaker 1: it yesterday. It was genius. So tell us about yours
Speaker 1: because we don't and you heard bills telling of yours.
Speaker 1: But I think I think our fans are interested in
Speaker 1: and how it all came to be. Do you remember,
Speaker 1: like your very first time reading and all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you had already been in so many other things
Speaker 1: before this. I know you were coming to it from
Speaker 1: a very different space because you'd been in such amazing
Speaker 1: movies and uh, and I just wanted you know, Donald
Speaker 1: had had done some work. I had done virtually nothing,
Speaker 1: So how is it different for you? I was coming
Speaker 1: from because I heard Zachie, I heard yours with that
Speaker 1: you were a waiter at the Luck Colonial. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you were a waiter over there, and I know Donald
Speaker 1: had done Denzel's movie and done something but I was
Speaker 1: on a track and how how how to take something
Speaker 1: off of this? So it Doesen's on arrogant, but I
Speaker 1: was on about uh. I was on a track of
Speaker 1: doing about four films a year, and in my brain
Speaker 1: it was that if you ever, I said yes to everything.
Speaker 1: So I did plenty of stinkers, but I just always
Speaker 1: felt like that more film begat more film. So I
Speaker 1: was just always around the world doing whatever you offered me.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't going to come off the film train.
Speaker 1: And so then they sent me scrubs and there was
Speaker 1: a as Billy told you, there was a John McGinley
Speaker 1: part uh in in parentheses it said a John McGinley
Speaker 1: type for doctor Cox. And I'm like, we'll just make
Speaker 1: the offer and as yeah. So I went into meet
Speaker 1: Billy over at Disney and that was great. He was,
Speaker 1: you know, was one of the great guys in the planet.
Speaker 1: And then by the time, actors do this weird thing
Speaker 1: when they get a little too comfortable as they subvert themselves,
Speaker 1: and I felt like I did that because there were
Speaker 1: tears of different hierarchy that you had to go through
Speaker 1: on this thing. There was the casting people, which I
Speaker 1: got to skip there was Billy. Then you had to
Speaker 1: audition to Disney, then you had to audition at NBC.
Speaker 1: And so I tanked the one at Disney. And I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I was either lazy or presumptuous or
Speaker 1: but a sock. Did you know when you Johnny, did
Speaker 1: you did you feel that in the room? I always know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I told I said, Billy, just let me
Speaker 1: go to the next level and I'll blow the back
Speaker 1: of the room out. Just just don't don't. I just
Speaker 1: fouled a few off at at at Disney. And when
Speaker 1: I went to NBC, as you guys have have have
Speaker 1: sorted it out with Billy and Sarah, there's a room
Speaker 1: not much bigger than the one I'm sitting in, maybe
Speaker 1: sixteen by twenty, and it's the casting guy's room. And
Speaker 1: there's people on the fennel there, on the on the fence.
Speaker 1: There's people everywhere hiding on the ground over it's it's
Speaker 1: it's like a bad Thanksgiving talent show production with your
Speaker 1: aunts and uncles. And so I didn't recognize there were
Speaker 1: four or five other doctor Coxes there. I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't recognize any of them. Um, And I was just
Speaker 1: like it didn't really matter because I already did. Just
Speaker 1: for actors, you can get good at auditioning, and I
Speaker 1: got really good at it because I used the rehearsal
Speaker 1: space as a spot to get this four minute, compressed
Speaker 1: little impression you make discipline down. I got really good
Speaker 1: at it. The fact that I tanked that Disney didn't matter.
Speaker 1: I was doing some other bullshit, but when I went
Speaker 1: into that room, I was just gonna fucking kill it.
Speaker 1: And I did. And when I shut the door, and
Speaker 1: at the time, I had this Jersey muscle car. I
Speaker 1: had a Mustang five point zero black convertible and I
Speaker 1: started driving home on the one on one and I
Speaker 1: was like, I put Bruce on and it was blaring,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I definitely got that. And if I
Speaker 1: didn't get the show sucks built. Do your Build's story
Speaker 1: where he said, Johnny, how do you feel it? You
Speaker 1: said like cash money or something like that. I said
Speaker 1: it was money. I said funny. I said if you
Speaker 1: want to do it again? And I'm like, no, I
Speaker 1: hate when directors say do you want to do it again?
Speaker 1: Because if you got it, you got it, because all
Speaker 1: I do when I do things again. When you asked me,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start changing things. And I hate rewriting if everything,
Speaker 1: so I like to rewrite shit. I don't like to
Speaker 1: rewrite anything. I like it on the page. I like
Speaker 1: to crush it, and I like to leave. And then
Speaker 1: if you asked me to keep doing it again and again,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get bored because I know you haven't in
Speaker 1: the can and I'm gonna start changing things. And what
Speaker 1: I did with doctor Cox over the years is so
Speaker 1: I changed his syncopation. I turned into this kind of
Speaker 1: Martin Scorcese on LSD thing where I did these long
Speaker 1: pauses and because I was getting bored and sometimes he'd
Speaker 1: walking out and do some like like crazy pause, I was,
Speaker 1: and I would stretch these words and when people love that,
Speaker 1: when you go he I was bored, fucking sort. I
Speaker 1: wanted more challenges. And so that's the actor's brains if
Speaker 1: it's really firing, like our brains were on that thing. Remember,
Speaker 1: people don't understand we were there sixteen hours a day,
Speaker 1: five days a week. We spent much more time with
Speaker 1: each other than we did any semblance of family because
Speaker 1: there's a finite amount of hours in a week. And
Speaker 1: for nine years, pretty much we were together for fourteen
Speaker 1: to by the end of the week, sixteen hours and
Speaker 1: an hospital in an abandoned in an abandoned hospital. And
Speaker 1: it's almost like Donald will understand when you're practice and
Speaker 1: free throws. If you do nothing but practice free throws,
Speaker 1: you will get good at it. You just will. And
Speaker 1: by virtue of beat, just scrub saturation, people got really
Speaker 1: good at their jobs. Yeah. Yeah, that was the other thing.
Speaker 1: I remember times where you'd have like long, long monologues.
Speaker 1: There were times where you didn't get it in one take,
Speaker 1: but then there were times where you would get it
Speaker 1: in one take, and I remember directors being like, should
Speaker 1: we go again, and you're being like, we got it,
Speaker 1: let's go, And you'd be like, we only got one take, John,
Speaker 1: and I don't move it on, let's go. There's so
Speaker 1: many Donald, let's go through some of our favorite johnnyisms.
Speaker 1: One that just came to my mind was moving on,
Speaker 1: there's five good ones for you. There's five good ones
Speaker 1: for you. Was when it would shake your hand, how
Speaker 1: are you better now? Yeah? Better now? And then he'd go, um,
Speaker 1: when we were done with John Michelle was the name
Speaker 1: of one of our editors, And when when when we
Speaker 1: were done with the scene, he'd go, I think we
Speaker 1: gave Jean Michelle some mammo. Yeah. Cut to cut to
Speaker 1: a couple of days later, I'm down in the editing
Speaker 1: suite just micromanaging everything John Michelle was doing. All right. No,
Speaker 1: you were always that's where that was like your that
Speaker 1: was your that was your escape from hanging out on
Speaker 1: the third floor from from from the Dogs, from the Dogs.
Speaker 1: You just run down to editing and be like, show
Speaker 1: me what you got. But I also had a post
Speaker 1: production company in New York for when I when I
Speaker 1: lived in New York up in the Brill Building for
Speaker 1: fifteen years, and so post is a very comfortable place
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah stuff, yeah, and uh and and I
Speaker 1: just remember you being Donald and I were always trying
Speaker 1: to sneak in there as well, and you'd be like,
Speaker 1: I remember, I have great memories of you being like,
Speaker 1: come in here, you gotta see that you well. But
Speaker 1: people have to understand it was a very insular place.
Speaker 1: There was no place to go. It was Scrubs University
Speaker 1: in this five story abandoned hospital, and you had to
Speaker 1: be there. You couldn't really go off campus. You'd get
Speaker 1: in trouble because invariably would skip a scene and would say,
Speaker 1: where's John and he went down to do something, so
Speaker 1: he can't go down to do anything. Yeah, it's interesting
Speaker 1: to be on When you're on a back lot, you
Speaker 1: can saunter around and you can talk to other shows,
Speaker 1: and you can talk to people that have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with your show. But there was something I think,
Speaker 1: uh great that happened on our show in that we
Speaker 1: were so insular, like Johnny said in that hospital, that
Speaker 1: it made us extra close because we never went anywhere.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like we just all were always together. And
Speaker 1: I think something Billy didn't share, which I've brought to
Speaker 1: different films and TV shows I've produced since, is Billy
Speaker 1: introduced the first or second day of shooting in the cafeteria,
Speaker 1: which is the largest space that one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: person crew could all congregate. He got everybody together and
Speaker 1: he told them that he was going to put a
Speaker 1: no asshole policy in place, and everybody laughed, and you know,
Speaker 1: it sounded kind of stupid, and Billy's the least confrontational
Speaker 1: person on the planet, And what he meant was that
Speaker 1: if you come to work, you got to bring at
Speaker 1: least a modicum of respect with you, otherwise don't come.
Speaker 1: And everybody knows, just all the way back to the schoolyard,
Speaker 1: how to be nice to each other and how to
Speaker 1: be respectful. And a couple of people subsequently got fired
Speaker 1: for the nosshole policy. It didn't mean you had to
Speaker 1: come to work and walk on pins and needles, but
Speaker 1: you had to come to work and be respectful. And
Speaker 1: I thought that was great, and I do it on
Speaker 1: my sets now too, and if people don't like it,
Speaker 1: they can get the fuck out. Yeah, that's that's real talk.
Speaker 1: You know. Since Scrubs, I've been a part of a
Speaker 1: cast where you know, everybody's been chill and lovely and
Speaker 1: everything like that, but there's there's that one time where
Speaker 1: you have that one person where you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I wish I was still on Scrubs right now so
Speaker 1: I could freaking sit in a background and watch you
Speaker 1: get fired from being such a fucking asshole right now,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's not that complicated, It
Speaker 1: really isn't. It's really easy to be a good person.
Speaker 1: We were really lucky, I think, though. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: so many casts that when you hear about a show
Speaker 1: that you know, there's there's a finite number of shows
Speaker 1: that go this long. And we genuinely all really liked
Speaker 1: each other. I mean I always say that when I
Speaker 1: do press or someone asked me about the show, and
Speaker 1: you know, what was the secret to the magic, and
Speaker 1: one of them is that we genuinely all liked each other.
Speaker 1: We genuinely all rooted for each other. When we would
Speaker 1: see each other at the bar after after we wrapped,
Speaker 1: we were like just as excited to see you know,
Speaker 1: Johnny walk in the door. We um and that didn't
Speaker 1: wear off. I mean, we we we we genuinely all
Speaker 1: loved each other his company for for nine years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that's you know, that's that's that's actually very true.
Speaker 1: We partied so hard. After sixteen hours of hanging out
Speaker 1: with each other at the day, you would still be like, yo,
Speaker 1: Fox and a Hound still has about two more hours
Speaker 1: until it closes, and we'd all congregate at Fox and
Speaker 1: a Hound. After spending the whole day and some of
Speaker 1: the night together, Man, I would I would go back
Speaker 1: to my hospital room and go to sleep for the
Speaker 1: night because I couldn't drive out to Malibu. And so
Speaker 1: after after having a couple of beers. I went back
Speaker 1: to the hospital and went sleep wow, and they just
Speaker 1: woke up the next and Johnny tell him about how
Speaker 1: sometimes you'd come in to beat traffic at like four
Speaker 1: in the morning. I would. I had this thing where
Speaker 1: I can't be late. It's I just can't. I just
Speaker 1: it's I can't organize being late. And so, uh, my
Speaker 1: window was I could leave in a normal time if
Speaker 1: I had a call time at six or at ten,
Speaker 1: But if my call time was anywhere queen six and ten,
Speaker 1: I would take a six o'clock call time and just
Speaker 1: drive in at five, go to sleep for a couple hours,
Speaker 1: memorize all that shit that Billy was writing, and then
Speaker 1: be fresh and ready to go. And Plus there was
Speaker 1: a shower. There was a communal shower at the end
Speaker 1: of our hallway, and I used that thing all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm never I think I never showered their dumb I
Speaker 1: think maybe once or twice. Oh god, I was in
Speaker 1: there every day. Was it was it a good shower?
Speaker 1: Was it a it was hot water? I don't care.
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna go to a break um and
Speaker 1: we'll be right and we're bad and we're back. We
Speaker 1: are back, Donald Dumb whenever he was Johnson McGinley. Whenever
Speaker 1: Donald does these ins and outs of a commercial, he
Speaker 1: turns into Oprah, We're back. I heard him do that.
Speaker 1: But Sarah, because I was listening to it on the
Speaker 1: deck and I was dying, I could have given you.
Speaker 1: I could have totally given you an Oprah introduction, John
Speaker 1: seem My, good night. I was. I was thinking about
Speaker 1: the one oh seven, which is interesting that we would
Speaker 1: be doing one oh seven, which when I looked in
Speaker 1: my composition book, it was actually one oh six, and
Speaker 1: it got it got shifted because of nine to eleven
Speaker 1: y and but before we get into the nine to
Speaker 1: eleven of it all, which has a profound impact on
Speaker 1: this episode. When I was looking through my composition book
Speaker 1: down in the rehearsal space last night, when I was
Speaker 1: looking forward to talking to you guys, I noticed that
Speaker 1: I always in the first if you're lucky enough to
Speaker 1: have to write a lot of different composition books like
Speaker 1: we were on Scrubs, I always put a mission statement
Speaker 1: on the first page of what I John not I
Speaker 1: doctor Cox want to do with this thing. And I
Speaker 1: saw that the mission statement on Scrubs was to find
Speaker 1: a place underneath the text for with every episode where
Speaker 1: you can say I love you to Max. And I
Speaker 1: took that seriously because my son Max had been born
Speaker 1: a year or two earlier, and when we started in
Speaker 1: two thousand and one and Max was born with challenges
Speaker 1: Max and born with Down syndrome. He's doing great now.
Speaker 1: But I decided that Cox underneath it all, so that
Speaker 1: when never became too drippy, just underneath it. Every episode
Speaker 1: there had to be one spot where I got to
Speaker 1: say I John, not doctor Cox, got to say I
Speaker 1: love you to Max. And in this episode it's it's
Speaker 1: right where when I'm talking to Judy and I said,
Speaker 1: just because a guy has problems, that doesn't mean he
Speaker 1: doesn't need and then there's this long pause and it's
Speaker 1: because I kept getting an apple in my throat and
Speaker 1: then he says you and I was from I reminded
Speaker 1: me that I took the thing so goddamn seriously. This
Speaker 1: mission state that I wrote to Max, and it informs
Speaker 1: everything that Cox does, because I think Zachie knows this.
Speaker 1: I always consider the camera an X ray machine that
Speaker 1: it can see through all the actors bullshit, and we
Speaker 1: all try to bring a walk and a lisp or
Speaker 1: some eccentricity, and unless that's distilled down to a real,
Speaker 1: pure instinct, the camera's just like bullshit. That's bullshit, and
Speaker 1: you can see it. It's night and day. And so
Speaker 1: that when an actor or actually brings a mission statement
Speaker 1: that demands that he finds a place somewhere in the
Speaker 1: text underneath it, not just underneath the text, to say
Speaker 1: I love you to a kid who's just born with
Speaker 1: challenges that pops. The camera goes, Oh, that's his truth,
Speaker 1: that he's telling the truth, and that's what pops. I
Speaker 1: love that you said that, Johnny, because I think one
Speaker 1: of the magical things that you did with Doctor Cox
Speaker 1: was find a guy who's so tough and find a
Speaker 1: way in every episode to show that his heart, that
Speaker 1: he was doing everything he can to protect everyone, protect
Speaker 1: his heart and from people seeing the amount of love
Speaker 1: he actually had. He had super, super tough cement exterior
Speaker 1: because he was alpha and he was a badass doctor
Speaker 1: and he didn't want people to know. But then you
Speaker 1: would just it was like it was leaking out of him.
Speaker 1: You could you couldn't help it, and you would see
Speaker 1: these little moments where it's like this guy has the
Speaker 1: biggest heart. He's just keeping it all under wraps. That's
Speaker 1: perfect for this episode that we're talking about right now,
Speaker 1: one oh seven. Carla is the only person in the
Speaker 1: hospital who's known you long enough at this point to
Speaker 1: be able to see through that bullshit. Okay, you're being
Speaker 1: tough on all of these people, but you care. You're
Speaker 1: You're in it just like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You're not scared, but you care. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what started you, what started Cox? Uh? Correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong to have feelings for her, like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: if everybody's afraid of me and there's this one person
Speaker 1: in the hospital who's willing to stand up to me,
Speaker 1: not even stand up, but to call me on my bullshit,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a special place in my heart for that.
Speaker 1: And I honestly thought that Carla was going to choose
Speaker 1: you know, when we were making the show, I thought
Speaker 1: she was going to choose Cox over Turk. I was
Speaker 1: kind of hoping at that when I was younger, that
Speaker 1: she would choose Cox over Turk so that I have
Speaker 1: more love interests. Oh my god, I can't wait to
Speaker 1: talk about that with Judy when she comes on the show,
Speaker 1: you know, the writers, the writers, as Donald was suggesting,
Speaker 1: out of that writer's room came different nuanced flirtations between
Speaker 1: Cox and Carla. I never noticed that this one is
Speaker 1: obviously really prevalent, and I hadn't, I hadn't seen this
Speaker 1: in twenty years, but I was like, there's a vibe
Speaker 1: between those two last for the next like five six episodes,
Speaker 1: and absolutely, yeah, it's and then and then Cox and
Speaker 1: Turk have it out. And then do you remember thinking, Donald,
Speaker 1: do you remember thinking like, because we didn't know what
Speaker 1: the fun the writers were gonna do you remember thinking like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, is Judy is Are they gonna write her
Speaker 1: to go off with him? Yeah? I remember thinking that
Speaker 1: because they had history. That's the one thing that the
Speaker 1: two of them out of everyone in the show, and
Speaker 1: also u Ken's character Kelso the three of them all
Speaker 1: have history. But Cox and Carla have history. Like I
Speaker 1: imagine Carla Cox was a very young doctor when Carla
Speaker 1: came in, you know what I mean, Like, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? She had been there, Carla, Carla had
Speaker 1: been there for a while, and so they knew each other.
Speaker 1: They may have done they may have hooked up. That's
Speaker 1: what I thought I thought there was that one time
Speaker 1: I was watching today, I was like, these two looks
Speaker 1: like the two characters have history. Yeah, absolutely yeah, and
Speaker 1: that that that that we're gonna take it to our
Speaker 1: grave and never speak about this history, right. And I
Speaker 1: like Donald and like you Zachi, I unabashedly love Judy,
Speaker 1: and so that was an easy thing to groove into.
Speaker 1: You guys had great chemistry and I and I and
Speaker 1: I was really noticing that again we're watching all these
Speaker 1: with fresh eyes after so many years, and I was
Speaker 1: watching this one, I was really I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just was reminded how good those scenes are when it
Speaker 1: was you two. You guys had amazing chemistry together. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any acting going on. Like I say,
Speaker 1: the camera is an X ray machine and it can
Speaker 1: see through bullshit, and it could see that I love
Speaker 1: Judy rays unabashador and I always had Well, let's get
Speaker 1: into the elephant in the room, because I was actually
Speaker 1: really nervous to watch this episode. It's the first one
Speaker 1: that I was like, I had a pit in my
Speaker 1: stomach because, as Johnny touched on, this was the episode
Speaker 1: we were shooting when nine to eleven occurred. Nine to
Speaker 1: eleven happened on a Tuesday. Well, we had shot Monday
Speaker 1: and then nine to eleven occurred, and we should all
Speaker 1: tell our stories of that day. I think. I remember
Speaker 1: I woke up to Howard Stern, you know when you're
Speaker 1: half awake and you're listening, and Howard Stern was talking
Speaker 1: about it, and it got to a point where I went,
Speaker 1: wait what And I leapt up out of bed and
Speaker 1: I went and turned on the TV. And I remember thinking,
Speaker 1: as we all did, holy shit, this is what the
Speaker 1: fuck's happening in the world. But also as a young
Speaker 1: actor who just got on a job, I was like,
Speaker 1: what are we supposed to do here? We do we
Speaker 1: go to work today? Like how And I remember I
Speaker 1: still was like, I think I'm supposed to still go
Speaker 1: to work. So I went in and I remember Sean Hayes,
Speaker 1: who was our guest star, was there, and he and
Speaker 1: I sat in my dressing room and watched it happened,
Speaker 1: and shortly that thereafter the day was was canceled. Do
Speaker 1: you guys want to want to tell what your memory
Speaker 1: of that? Yeah? I remember getting a phone call and
Speaker 1: it was like five o'clock in the morning. I remember
Speaker 1: picking up the phone and recognizing the number and cursing
Speaker 1: the person out on the other what the fuck is
Speaker 1: your problem? I'm working, I got work in a couple
Speaker 1: of hours. How why are you calling me this early?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And she said, and she
Speaker 1: over the phone goes, I'm sorry, shit, sorry, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to tell you that a plane crashed into the
Speaker 1: World Trade Center. And I was like, oh shoot, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Whoa what? What? Wait? What? What? And I ran to
Speaker 1: the television and I turned it on, and like everybody
Speaker 1: else in America, I was stuck watching television for and
Speaker 1: then Randall finally called him, was like, we're not coming
Speaker 1: in to work, you know, but today the day is canceled.
Speaker 1: You don't have to come in. But I remember just
Speaker 1: sitting in front of the television very much like I
Speaker 1: am right now, you know what I mean. I feel
Speaker 1: like I wake up every morning and my and and
Speaker 1: the minute I wake up, I turned on the news
Speaker 1: to check to see how many people have COVID nineteen,
Speaker 1: how many people we lost because of COVID nineteen, and
Speaker 1: what the plan is to figure out how we're going
Speaker 1: to get rid of COVID nineteen. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and you know very for the next week, I remember,
Speaker 1: that was all that I did was I just watched
Speaker 1: the news to see what the heck is America going
Speaker 1: to do next? How about you, Johnny, were you called
Speaker 1: in that day? Yeah, I went back and looked it
Speaker 1: up last night. So the North Tower got hit at
Speaker 1: five forty five am, and I would have left about
Speaker 1: ten minutes after that to get there. And so I
Speaker 1: saw the first well they didn't really show the first
Speaker 1: but it looked like a plane went into the first building,
Speaker 1: and then I had to go. And so the South
Speaker 1: Tower got hit about twenty two minutes later at six
Speaker 1: h three our time, nine oh three New York time,
Speaker 1: and so I would have been listening to it on
Speaker 1: the news. But all of this, to me, there's something
Speaker 1: called a mental model, and it's how you perceive things.
Speaker 1: In my mental model, it was it was like the
Speaker 1: plane that hit the Empire State Building before we were born.
Speaker 1: There was a prop plane that went into the Empire
Speaker 1: State Building and nothing really happened, not nothing. I'm sure
Speaker 1: some people died and it was horrible, but it sounded
Speaker 1: like that, And so that's how I was driving into
Speaker 1: Burbank and when I got there, that clearly wasn't the case.
Speaker 1: And then my brother worked on the sixty second floor
Speaker 1: of the South Tower, and so I kept trying to
Speaker 1: call him and so, and pretty early on it became
Speaker 1: clear that nobody was going to get through on any lines,
Speaker 1: on cell lines or landlines, because those everything disconnected on
Speaker 1: those towers, and so I couldn't get through to my brother.
Speaker 1: And this is when an actor's imagination is a curse,
Speaker 1: not a blessing. You only imagine horrible things. And it
Speaker 1: turns out in those eighteen twenty minutes, those intervening times
Speaker 1: between the North Tower getting hit and the South Tower
Speaker 1: getting hit, on March trading desk, they all had been
Speaker 1: there when they shake from Newark, New Jersey, had set
Speaker 1: off that bomb in the van in the basement ten
Speaker 1: years earlier. So every monument Mark's trading desk got up
Speaker 1: when the first building got hit and they started to
Speaker 1: make their way down the stairs. But it was such
Speaker 1: a clusterfuck going down the stairs in those eighteen minutes
Speaker 1: from the sixty second floor down, they only made it
Speaker 1: about twenty stories. Everybody from like seventy two up died,
Speaker 1: and so Mark got a concussion going down the stairs.
Speaker 1: I don't know how. He got really disoriented, and by
Speaker 1: the time he got out of the building, he wandered
Speaker 1: up the FDR Drive to East Harlem, and so he
Speaker 1: was missing for about twelve hours. And so he made
Speaker 1: it all the way to Harlem. Yes, holy cow, was
Speaker 1: he just in shock, Johnny? And he walked up far Yes.
Speaker 1: And so I sat in the hospital for all that time,
Speaker 1: and then I tried his wife, who lived out in
Speaker 1: Short Hills, New Jersey at the time. She only had
Speaker 1: an outgoing message on her machine saying, uh, Mark, I
Speaker 1: know you're okay. I've gone over to the Smith's house
Speaker 1: and we're waiting for your call there. Well, no calls
Speaker 1: came for about twelve hours, and so I sat in
Speaker 1: the dressing room thinking horrible things. And then obviously the
Speaker 1: buildings came down shortly after that, and what almost four
Speaker 1: thousand Americans died. Uh, And so that was a that's
Speaker 1: the backdrop for us shooting this episode. Yeah, it's kind
Speaker 1: of miraculous that the episode even makes any sense that
Speaker 1: because of what some of some people were carrying into
Speaker 1: the frame. I agree. I think it's a weird episode,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know if I'm bringing my
Speaker 1: own anxiety of of of of the time to it
Speaker 1: as I watch it now, but I'm also going we
Speaker 1: were all not present for these however many days, and
Speaker 1: I felt like, especially when you look at the first
Speaker 1: episode Chunk that we've just watched, which you're like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: look at this show. Look at their fire and all cylinders.
Speaker 1: This is the first one where I go, oh, we
Speaker 1: all understandably, obviously we all look a little based out
Speaker 1: to me. That's when I watched it last night. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's obviously a lot of funny stuff in it that
Speaker 1: I wrote down that made me laugh, but it and again,
Speaker 1: like you, Zachie, I can't tell if it's me imposing
Speaker 1: my John McGinley onto what Billy Lawrence created for those
Speaker 1: twenty one minutes. But if you just said disconnected it
Speaker 1: it seemed a little disconnected to me this one. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but how could it not be? Right? Yeah? Right, yeah?
Speaker 1: If mcginley's brother, If mcginley's brother just got out of
Speaker 1: the what was the South Tower and was missing for
Speaker 1: a day, what do you, superman? Of course you're going
Speaker 1: to carry that in front of the lens, now, do
Speaker 1: you guys. Remember we took that Tuesday off. Did we
Speaker 1: work the next day or take that day off as well?
Speaker 1: I think we took Wednesday off and we worked Thursday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now I do remember this. I remember the very first
Speaker 1: thing we came back, believe it or not, was that
Speaker 1: fucking dog show fantasy. So I remember feeling horribly guilty
Speaker 1: that we should a should we even be working. But
Speaker 1: I'm under a contract and I'm an actor and I'm
Speaker 1: not going to ruffle anybody's feathers, but it should be
Speaker 1: we be working. But then like, yes, everyone's back to work.
Speaker 1: Here we go, and I was like, Okay, what are
Speaker 1: we shooting? I can do this. We're gonna do a
Speaker 1: fantasy where you're a dog at a dog show and
Speaker 1: Johnny c is going to feel your balls. And that
Speaker 1: was like the first thing up, Johnny, do you remember that?
Speaker 1: It was the first thing up. It must have been
Speaker 1: Thursday morning, was me. I remember going to watch it.
Speaker 1: I remember it. Oh my god, I remember that. I
Speaker 1: wrote down. I wrote down that during the dog show flashback,
Speaker 1: I had decided to make you both really uncomfortable. And
Speaker 1: I think it was because I was really uncomfortable. So
Speaker 1: I love actors, and I would never do anything to
Speaker 1: ever ever heard of an actor, especially when it comes
Speaker 1: to a physical contact. And I think I was just
Speaker 1: I was not appropriately gentle with you guys. I like,
Speaker 1: took your ear, Zachie and you can see, and I
Speaker 1: took your fucking mouth and I opened it up and
Speaker 1: I talked. I took Seawan's ere and I was I
Speaker 1: was uncharacteristically for me as an actor, not cox, but
Speaker 1: I love actors so much. I would never ever do
Speaker 1: anything to hurt them, and I would think I was.
Speaker 1: I was not appropriate with you two guys on that.
Speaker 1: I was very rough. I remember being manhandled. Um. Thank
Speaker 1: you for pantomiming the testicle part though, because I think
Speaker 1: that would have been a little too rough on on
Speaker 1: on me. You know, I'm sure at some point I
Speaker 1: put my fist up your Wreckum. I don't think so,
Speaker 1: at least not in this episode. That may have been
Speaker 1: in later. I think you did wear me like a
Speaker 1: hand puppet, but it was in episode four. I think
Speaker 1: during the dog show thing, I may have engaged you. Well.
Speaker 1: We were joking with Bill about how the crazy sound
Speaker 1: effects would would would were slowly phased out. I don't
Speaker 1: know maybe because you were all off in this episode.
Speaker 1: But this episode has so many ridiculous side effects, so
Speaker 1: many and there's the there's like a Santa sleigh jingle
Speaker 1: bell noise when you grow my balls. That's like the
Speaker 1: choice that was made somewhere in sound effect editing. They
Speaker 1: were like, Um, okay, what's the noise for Johnny grabbing
Speaker 1: Jad's balls? Guys? How about us Santa slave at jingle jinglebow?
Speaker 1: You know what? I you know what I thought was
Speaker 1: really funny, Zachy when you and Kenny are up on
Speaker 1: the roof, um and he goes to he does kind
Speaker 1: of a fake attacking you up on the roof. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And whether or not you're just a great actor or
Speaker 1: if it was really weird, it looked really weird. It's
Speaker 1: a weird scene. By the way, can I just understand
Speaker 1: he calls you a pansy. He goes you know what
Speaker 1: your problem is? Yeah, is that you're a pansy. It's
Speaker 1: just straight up it's a weird scene. And I was
Speaker 1: waiting for something to happen. I remember there was a
Speaker 1: fantasy where I where I fell off a roof and
Speaker 1: there was a stuntman who did a big jump and
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, is that this but it doesn't really
Speaker 1: go anywhere, and Ken's just up there smoking a pipe.
Speaker 1: He calls me a pansy and then almost throws me
Speaker 1: off the roof, like legit, and then like that's the scene.
Speaker 1: That's it, And and a couple of scenes before that
Speaker 1: at Mine forty four, when when he goes keep shooting
Speaker 1: you the um, he gums ober and gives you a hug,
Speaker 1: and then Kenny wraps his leg around. I think that's
Speaker 1: a fantasy, Johnny, I will I. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: the fuck was happening there either, and then there's a
Speaker 1: white flash out of it. I think that's JD's fantasy,
Speaker 1: because why his leg around you mounted? Laugh? Well, I
Speaker 1: just want to say, I think that's I wrote down that.
Speaker 1: I think that's the only time in nine years that
Speaker 1: Ken Jenkins ever mounted me. Can we talk? Can we
Speaker 1: talk about jerking off real quick? Yeah? Big as a
Speaker 1: part of the show or just in your own life?
Speaker 1: Just yeah, we could talk about it both. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about both. How about that? Okay? Good, okay. So here's
Speaker 1: here's here's the one thing. I get that. First of all,
Speaker 1: we have two callbacks to mash. We have you as
Speaker 1: a kid playing with your brother. Right, And this scene,
Speaker 1: the whole jerkeoff scene is actually a scene from mash
Speaker 1: Don't movie, if I'm correct, where they trick somebody to
Speaker 1: go into the bathroom and jerk off. When did jerking
Speaker 1: off become a bad thing that you got to be
Speaker 1: embarrassed about? Well, but you're not. You're not supposed to
Speaker 1: jerk off at work. Donald, write that down. It's a
Speaker 1: sound pass as a surgeon, got it? So wait, hold on, Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's so we're clear. It's okay to masturbate, but
Speaker 1: once you do it at work, you've crossed the line. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think this kind of service announcement. This could be
Speaker 1: a public service announcement for people all over the world.
Speaker 1: Don't masturbate at work. It's crossing the line. The more
Speaker 1: you know, the dan you can put in a little more.
Speaker 1: You know, you known effect there. I saw something. I
Speaker 1: saw something When Donald and I get to do the
Speaker 1: scene of that comes before this, when in the cafeteria
Speaker 1: and I tell you to go to go and uh,
Speaker 1: what's the town I tell you to go to, like
Speaker 1: spank town or something like something like that. I forgot.
Speaker 1: But what I'm Palmville, and I have a pet peeve
Speaker 1: with actors who wait until they swallow their food to
Speaker 1: say a line. And if you notice in that thing,
Speaker 1: I always take the soup to hear. It doesn't go in. No,
Speaker 1: it never does. Don't. I never eat. I never eat,
Speaker 1: by the way, it's disgusting. No, whenever there's you will.
Speaker 1: If you ever see me eating in anything I've ever done,
Speaker 1: it's it's rare. I owe it. My character is always
Speaker 1: done because I don't want to deal with all the
Speaker 1: continuity and eating. Of course, Okay, people are starting to
Speaker 1: notice that actors aren't eating on television shows or in
Speaker 1: movies now. Before ahead before people didn't necessarily notice. That's
Speaker 1: something that I think people are starting to notice now.
Speaker 1: Other than Brad Pitt, No one eats, no one Whenever
Speaker 1: I see someone legit eating, Like whenever I see someone
Speaker 1: I watch a scene and someone's like eating, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, they ate like that for probably four hours.
Speaker 1: Not correct. My character is always done, always, but also
Speaker 1: if it gets in the way of the actor saying
Speaker 1: the line, and we have to wait for those of
Speaker 1: us in a big family, nobody waits to talk until
Speaker 1: they swallow there's food in their mouth. They just segregated
Speaker 1: over into kind of a chipmunk cheek and then they
Speaker 1: just fire out the words otherwise you'll lose the floor
Speaker 1: at the dinner table. Did you guys have go to
Speaker 1: meals that you know they were always There are lots
Speaker 1: of scenes where were supposed to have food in front
Speaker 1: of us. Did you guys have a go to thing
Speaker 1: you would ask to be in front of you? Steak, steak,
Speaker 1: me soup because you never have to eat it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I'm gonna steal that, Johnny, because I'm always
Speaker 1: have a plate of I would always tell them, can
Speaker 1: you make it look like I'm done? And like you know,
Speaker 1: and because this season with soup you can just the spoon.
Speaker 1: The prop of the spoon is, it's indefatigable, it's perfect.
Speaker 1: It can you can and plush, you can quoll it
Speaker 1: at somebody. You can the top of the spoon, you
Speaker 1: use this phone. I always went for steak because I
Speaker 1: could eat steak forever. I could eat steak like nobody's business.
Speaker 1: So you were eating, you were and you were an eater. No,
Speaker 1: but if I did have like there was that one
Speaker 1: episode where I did have to eat and because Turk
Speaker 1: gets really bad heartburn. And it's when Head the Lockleier
Speaker 1: was on the show and John c myself and Head
Speaker 1: the Lockleier at some benefit and Carlos supposed to meet
Speaker 1: us there and she never shows up and I wind
Speaker 1: up eating a bunch of steak and end up in
Speaker 1: the hospital with really bad heartburn. So I always went.
Speaker 1: I always went for steak because I could eat it.
Speaker 1: It tastes good, it's easy the season. Throw some salt
Speaker 1: on it, you know what I mean. It's it's good
Speaker 1: to go. I thought there were a couple different times
Speaker 1: in this episode where despite everything, the ensemble work in
Speaker 1: one where you is where you passed the torch to
Speaker 1: Sean and Sean just fits right into the style of
Speaker 1: the piece, like he just takes the torch, We pan
Speaker 1: with you, out of frame, we come back, Shan's put
Speaker 1: the torch down, and you guys just keep doing your thing.
Speaker 1: That I was cleverly directed, And I want to say,
Speaker 1: it's a rare moment where that's obviously a fantasy and
Speaker 1: there was no flash in out of it. I was
Speaker 1: clocking that because you know, Bill always delineated a fantasy
Speaker 1: with a with a little white flash and that noise,
Speaker 1: and this is one of those rare times where the
Speaker 1: torch is a character, a proper character in the piece,
Speaker 1: and there's no it's both times it comes in, it's
Speaker 1: just handed off and not really discussed. What's also what's
Speaker 1: also interesting with Sean is Sean's introduction, which would become
Speaker 1: a classic Scrubs introduction, especially with beautiful females with wind
Speaker 1: and slow mow entrances as they walk down the hall.
Speaker 1: Sean gets to come in on top of a gurney
Speaker 1: save someone's life and it's just glorious. Dude, I wrote
Speaker 1: that down, Johnny. I'm glad you brought that up because
Speaker 1: I wrote that down. I think that might be the
Speaker 1: best entrance other than other than Dick van Dyke. Dick
Speaker 1: van Dyke's entrance is pretty amazing too, but that might
Speaker 1: be one of the best entrances for male in Scrubs history. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Joel, do we need to go a break
Speaker 1: where we take to go to these lovely people? All right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna go take another break and we come back.
Speaker 1: We have questions from some fans that are calling in,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have an amazing question I'm sure probably
Speaker 1: for the legendary Johnny C mcginliy. I'll give you a hint.
Speaker 1: Her name's Ashley. We have a caller. Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Ashley Cooper, harrow it and friend?
Speaker 1: Do you how much money? Do you? How much money
Speaker 1: it had cost us to get Oprah to do all
Speaker 1: these introductions of our guests. It's fortune? Hi, guys, um
Speaker 1: why why did why did Joelle um imply that there
Speaker 1: was something unique and special about you? Guys? So I
Speaker 1: wrote in earlier this week, I was looking if I
Speaker 1: could figure out a way for you to to do
Speaker 1: like a birthday shout out. This is my husband, Alexander. Hi, Alexander,
Speaker 1: husband Alexander. Oh my god, he is that quisition and
Speaker 1: absolutely loves your show. What's up? Man? How's it? Goal? Deal? Now?
Speaker 1: Donald changed show? Donald changed Donald respectful voice. Let me
Speaker 1: show that respect? What is good? Not too glad? There's
Speaker 1: this right before work. I'm about to head out of
Speaker 1: here in about an hour. Oh man, Wow, you're the
Speaker 1: real deal. Very much, so much, very very much for
Speaker 1: for calling in. Uh who's going to ask the question?
Speaker 1: He is awesomethay? Oh happy birthday too, happy birthday? Too
Speaker 1: happy birthday? We called it birthday. He's a grown man,
Speaker 1: as you know. He works in the hospital, not like us.
Speaker 1: We were fake doctors on a TV show. Yes, bringing
Speaker 1: it Home? Yes? So wait, did you not know about this?
Speaker 1: Is this a surprise? I found out I kept it
Speaker 1: a surprise for maybe forty five seconds. And don't you
Speaker 1: should have kept it a surprise until you guys zoomed in?
Speaker 1: How cool would that been? But then you never know.
Speaker 1: You would have been like, who are these guys? Who
Speaker 1: are these guys? Wait? Who are these guys? All right, guys,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Sure, So I guess the biggest question is
Speaker 1: I guess what it came down through is I watched
Speaker 1: a lot of the different type of medical shows, and
Speaker 1: I found that throughout my training so far, and I
Speaker 1: was attending so far that the show of Scrubs actually
Speaker 1: portrays how the hospital life really works the most accurate
Speaker 1: of all the medical shows, despite it being primarily a comedy. Well,
Speaker 1: that something that Bill purposely did. Was that something that
Speaker 1: the staff tried to incorporate, because I, I mean I
Speaker 1: listened to the first one, I said, like Donald really
Speaker 1: good the round the hospital, I was I was. I
Speaker 1: was absolutely right. I was so afraid to go into
Speaker 1: the hospital at that point. Listen. Since then, I've you know,
Speaker 1: I've developed a listen if something's wrong, or if I
Speaker 1: feel like something's wrong, I'm going right to my primary
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about it. Before that, though, I
Speaker 1: was just like every other person. You know, in the
Speaker 1: African American community, we have a stigma when it comes
Speaker 1: to doctors. We are very afraid of the bad news.
Speaker 1: And you think I'm joking, But this is the honest
Speaker 1: and goodness truth. And I've done I've done PSA after
Speaker 1: PSA about talking, you know, talking about you know, going
Speaker 1: and getting your numbers known, get your CELESTEROL, get your
Speaker 1: your BMI, your your blood pressure, your blood I love
Speaker 1: You're trying to list them to an ear doc. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to listen. He was like, he's like blue closer.
Speaker 1: You're like, no, no, no, there's four, there's uh anyway,
Speaker 1: But well, Johnny, Johnny, why don't you answer because you're
Speaker 1: the special guest about about his question? Um. I had
Speaker 1: spent the first three weeks of my son's life a
Speaker 1: couple of years earlier in the neo natal intensive care unit,
Speaker 1: and I carried most of that was that functioned largely
Speaker 1: as all the homework I ever needed for medical um
Speaker 1: replica trying to to to do medical stuff. And uh
Speaker 1: Max had different challenges born downs in rome and he
Speaker 1: had microscopic holes in his heart. Also we had infantel teasers.
Speaker 1: We had all sorts of different challenge. But if you
Speaker 1: spend if you're the acron import is the nick you,
Speaker 1: If you spent three or four weeks in the nick you,
Speaker 1: you should get enough of that on you to be
Speaker 1: able to tell the truth in front of the lens.
Speaker 1: And so that that's largely what I was trying to
Speaker 1: honor when we were doing that Medical Scripts. I think
Speaker 1: I think Bill also has said, um, you know, we
Speaker 1: knew we were going to be silly, and we knew
Speaker 1: we were gonna have these crazy fantasies, and we knew
Speaker 1: in a lot in a lot of ways it was
Speaker 1: gonna be a comedy. So he wanted the baseline. He
Speaker 1: wanted to drop in for all the medicine to be
Speaker 1: as accurate as possible and um and that was also
Speaker 1: something that John Doris wanted to the real j D wanted.
Speaker 1: He was like, listen, you can make fun of all
Speaker 1: of the things we did that I did in college
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but it has to be grounded
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. Don't make a fool
Speaker 1: of us, you know what I mean. Make sure that
Speaker 1: that there's truth behind everything as well. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that that that's one of the reasons works and the matter.
Speaker 1: I think the American Medical Association has said, which we
Speaker 1: always thought was bizarre, but that they said that this
Speaker 1: was the most medical accurate of all the medical shows. Um,
Speaker 1: so we always took that as a badge of honor,
Speaker 1: and I think Bill was really, really, really proud of that.
Speaker 1: He said, we can be as silly as we want
Speaker 1: to be. When we get into the medicine, it's all
Speaker 1: gonna be gonna be real. And also, yeah, once you
Speaker 1: get that, once you get that tag where you got
Speaker 1: where someone says to you, you guys are the most
Speaker 1: medically accurate, you don't ever want to fall off that
Speaker 1: that bandwagon. You want to stay. You want to stay
Speaker 1: on that. You want to make sure that every story,
Speaker 1: at least in the first at least in the first
Speaker 1: eight seasons. I don't know about season nine, but in
Speaker 1: the first eight seasons, we made sure to stick to
Speaker 1: the actual script to keep it real. As they say, oh,
Speaker 1: is that an expression? I hear the kids say that nowadays.
Speaker 1: Do you have another question? Yeah, go ahead, so that'll
Speaker 1: be the I guess. The more hey are, the more
Speaker 1: difficult question easier. One is what keep tikes? Did you
Speaker 1: guys get so rowdy? Didn't get taken with you guys?
Speaker 1: But what about like the tiki necklaces or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I'm not a I'm not a supnir guy, so I
Speaker 1: don't ever. I shouldn't taken stuff from a lot of sets.
Speaker 1: But it's not. I always thought it was bad luck.
Speaker 1: I never You don't know any scrubs whatsoever. I don't
Speaker 1: have any scrubs in my house. I think it's a
Speaker 1: I think it's a jinx. What what about the kicks?
Speaker 1: Because Nike sent us a bunch of kicks when we
Speaker 1: were making that show. That's different. Swags are different than Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have any. I have the I have the
Speaker 1: slates from episodes I directed, you know the thing we
Speaker 1: clap in front of the lens you're directing them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then I have the I have the antlers from
Speaker 1: when we did the pilot when I was a deer
Speaker 1: in headlights. Donald is showing you his his sneakers, hundredth
Speaker 1: episode Sneakers. Look how warn and ruined they are. I've
Speaker 1: rocked these for like a year. I put mine on
Speaker 1: a shelf and save them, and they're mint and Donald's
Speaker 1: are all fucked up. I'm so proud of these, and
Speaker 1: look and look there, that's the best rewraps on the
Speaker 1: planet for for for Christmas, you guys. Well, one thing
Speaker 1: that's funny about this podcast on the Zoom Call is
Speaker 1: that whenever Donald wants to reference a piece of clothing,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to move from his seat. He just
Speaker 1: reaches out of frame and pulls it in. Well, we
Speaker 1: are in my closet. No, it's just funny. Like you've
Speaker 1: done that a few times now, you know. It's not
Speaker 1: even like you have to stand, You just reach out
Speaker 1: of frame and pull out. Well, I'm on my side.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm in like I'm in, like I'm on
Speaker 1: my side. So like all of this is me, this
Speaker 1: is my wife's stuff. So if I read I'm never
Speaker 1: I was. You know, what I was thinking about doing
Speaker 1: was turning it all around and doing it from a
Speaker 1: different angle. But I think I just confuse everyone. No,
Speaker 1: I love this. I will forever remember this time of
Speaker 1: doing this podcast and staring at you like it looks
Speaker 1: like you're sitting on the ground in your closet. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not every day that we have a real live
Speaker 1: doctor on the show, and so this is this is
Speaker 1: this is a pretty special thing. Uh. If you have
Speaker 1: any other questions, feel free to ask us. O'donald's giving
Speaker 1: you the rare third question. It's never been bestowed. It's
Speaker 1: because you're a real doctor. It's never been bestowed upon
Speaker 1: anyone in all seven episodes of Fake Doctor's Real Friends.
Speaker 1: All Right, what was the most emotionally difficult episode that
Speaker 1: you guys did? Yes, good, Johnny, what's up? I thought
Speaker 1: this one would have to be right up there, just
Speaker 1: getting through this one and trying to to hue to
Speaker 1: the style of the piece and not fall too deep
Speaker 1: keep into an eleven of it all it was. It
Speaker 1: was impossible. But Johnny, we have to give a nod
Speaker 1: to one of the best episodes ever where you were
Speaker 1: just incredibly good in that Brendan Frasier uh dying episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that that that we got to act, that was acting.
Speaker 1: This was this was real life, just killed four thousand people,
Speaker 1: and it was I thought it was almost impossible to
Speaker 1: get through this episode. And when I watched it and
Speaker 1: it actually just made sense. Us didn't make sense. Yeah
Speaker 1: is good. Yeah, not great, This is good. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it still has some really genuinely
Speaker 1: funny parts, and the emotion that Sean has at the
Speaker 1: end of the episode, and even and the emotion that
Speaker 1: you have with Carla at the end of the episode.
Speaker 1: You talked about that earlier in the podcast, about how
Speaker 1: it gave you a lump in your throat and everything
Speaker 1: like that because you were speaking your truth at that moment.
Speaker 1: But I stuff right right, absolutely. I think stuff like
Speaker 1: the potassium and asked Tim and TikTok Clarice. Those things
Speaker 1: caught me off guard last night when I was watching it.
Speaker 1: I also, I'm sorry to be I'm sorry to be
Speaker 1: the guy who laughs at a fart joke, but I
Speaker 1: legit laughed so hard when when Todd goes the wording
Speaker 1: of this line is so funny, sir, I farted long pause.
Speaker 1: That smell is from the fart that I made. You
Speaker 1: know he were heard that line, But the wording of
Speaker 1: that the wording of that. I think that's the funniest
Speaker 1: thing in the whole episode, to be honest, and I'm
Speaker 1: sorry to be so so simple that I love a
Speaker 1: fart joke that much, but I just thought the wording
Speaker 1: of that, that smell pause is from the fart that
Speaker 1: I made. Meanwhile, the surgeon, what's his name? Is in there? Like,
Speaker 1: what's what's that smell? From? What the hell happened? What's
Speaker 1: going on? Who was that actor? That actor did a
Speaker 1: good job, Charles kind of a thankless role. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: you know, he's been in a lot of movies. Actually
Speaker 1: to uh, he was in um, he was in Dumb
Speaker 1: and Dunk. He's the guy dry and right down the middle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he Charles was great, man. He he stuck around for
Speaker 1: damn near the whole show. You know what's interesting, I
Speaker 1: didn't realize Johnny Castle was in the show that much.
Speaker 1: Me neither. He's in like every episode, even he's Dunk.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I really don't remember that Doug had this
Speaker 1: bigger role in the show. But dougs dogs. Doug's got
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff going on. Yeah, thank you guys
Speaker 1: so much for your questions, and of course, be safe
Speaker 1: on the on the front lines out there, my friend.
Speaker 1: We totally appreciate you. Thank you so much, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Thank you guys, and thank you Ashley for
Speaker 1: calling in with your husband on so we could have
Speaker 1: the honor of having some husband or boyfriend that's her husband. Okay, good.
Speaker 1: I thought you might have been proposing for him and
Speaker 1: he just gotta you get it. If you get a surgeon,
Speaker 1: man or a woman, you you marry that person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: lock it down, lock it down. You're a guy who
Speaker 1: got a female surgeon, is it you marry that? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: be well, take care all right. I thought Sarah had
Speaker 1: a really nice beat. When Sarah's being overwhelmed for a moment,
Speaker 1: we're in the closet, she's so good at turning stuff.
Speaker 1: She just she's really upset, and then she turns. She
Speaker 1: puts on that grave face and it's clean. It's this
Speaker 1: little gem and I have no idea of nine to
Speaker 1: eleven imprinted on her in some way for that, but
Speaker 1: she just turns it and it's she's so nimble. I
Speaker 1: forgot how how facile she is emotionally. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite lines in the show is when she goes, I'd
Speaker 1: let him drool on me, and then the way she
Speaker 1: looks at Zach after she says it, she meant that ship.
Speaker 1: That's funny. Donald. Do you have any memory of the
Speaker 1: Fantasy at ten forty seven, which is that post apocalyptic
Speaker 1: like no, like you're standing by a fire. I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember after I saw it. I remembered us doing
Speaker 1: that scene, but I was like, where is this going?
Speaker 1: I didn't know where it was. It was a basement.
Speaker 1: You know What's interesting, I even though this took place
Speaker 1: during nine to eleven, there are a lot of moments
Speaker 1: in the show where I was like, well, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't remember this. I don't I don't. You know,
Speaker 1: There's there's certain things that I did remember. I remembered
Speaker 1: Sean Hayes and him getting choked. I definitely remember the
Speaker 1: last scene with UH, with Johnny and UH and Judy
Speaker 1: where he kind of slips and professes his love for her.
Speaker 1: I remembered all of that because that tracked with my story.
Speaker 1: But other than that, man, you know, I say this
Speaker 1: every week. This show is it's it's so much fun
Speaker 1: for me because I don't remember any of it. It's
Speaker 1: like I'm watching it with fresh eyes. If you if
Speaker 1: you weren't in a scene, or let me say this
Speaker 1: about me, if I wasn't in a scene. I wasn't
Speaker 1: leaving my dressing room to go watch stuff. Right, but
Speaker 1: even when the show came on, Right, this is all
Speaker 1: brand new for me. But also, Johnny, you weren't smoking
Speaker 1: long hits, so you probably have someone you probably have
Speaker 1: some of your brain left. Okay. So Donald was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know the show is about doctors. I
Speaker 1: was very young. I smoked a lot of marijuana when
Speaker 1: I was a kid. Um was that? So? Was that
Speaker 1: your first? Correct me if I'm wrong. Was that your
Speaker 1: guy's first scene together? That you telling him to beat off? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's it certainly seems like it in the content. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but we had to the writing. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after that, you and I had so many scenes. You know,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I became Gandhi. I don't even
Speaker 1: know how that came. Was that an improv from you?
Speaker 1: Did you make up Gandhi? Or was okay that's billy Okay?
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is this is the beginning of the
Speaker 1: Cox and turk Uh your very first encounter you, um,
Speaker 1: because we were the two athletes in the hospital, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so now it was like,
Speaker 1: oh okay, so it was like, you know, Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: VERSU Kobe Bryant, you know what I mean. That's also
Speaker 1: and also he really didn't you know. The whole point
Speaker 1: was he didn't like you fucking with Carla in the beginning.
Speaker 1: In the beginning, but as time goes on, the beats
Speaker 1: that Cox and Turk have is strictly it's all you know,
Speaker 1: you know this, we have this competitive fire, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and it needs to be and it
Speaker 1: needs to be, you know, way, we need to fan
Speaker 1: that bad boy so that you know, we can live.
Speaker 1: And so I think Cox and Turk really enjoyed trying
Speaker 1: to one up each other. I do too, but I
Speaker 1: thought it was a little manufactured because again, if the
Speaker 1: camera is an X ray machine and you can see
Speaker 1: how it was a little man, it always felt a
Speaker 1: little manufactured to me, What do you mean? I didn't
Speaker 1: believe that I had that big of a problem with you, Okay.
Speaker 1: I always looked at it as he didn't like that
Speaker 1: I was with Carla, and because I won and got
Speaker 1: that one up, he was always trying to get a
Speaker 1: one up on Turk. That's how I always looked at it.
Speaker 1: But I guess I just I mean, even in a
Speaker 1: basketball even when we played, even when we played basketball
Speaker 1: and you hurt your back in that episode that we
Speaker 1: do that, even that you know what I mean? But hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. I think also the love that we have
Speaker 1: for each other. I remember my first time band like, Johnny,
Speaker 1: please don't intimidate me, and You're like, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1: Nobody's intimidating you. And You're right. You are always so generous, though,
Speaker 1: Johnny with us because you know, we we we we
Speaker 1: we knew who you were. We both loved your work,
Speaker 1: and I think both I can think I could speak
Speaker 1: for both of us when we were like nervous. I
Speaker 1: was nervous to work with you, and I just want
Speaker 1: to thank you. You know, for those of you who
Speaker 1: aren't actors, it's the person who's got more of a
Speaker 1: resume and is the bigger star. The onus is always
Speaker 1: on them to make everyone else feel comfortable around them.
Speaker 1: And I thought you always were so generous and never
Speaker 1: made us feel intimidated at all, unless it was obviously
Speaker 1: in the scene. But as a person, you never did.
Speaker 1: I felt like we were gonna that this truly was
Speaker 1: even even though Jackie Well respect was number one on
Speaker 1: the call sheet. I felt like this thing was the
Speaker 1: truest form of an ensemble and that was never lost
Speaker 1: on me. And if that a rising tide, there's a say,
Speaker 1: and the rising tide floats all boats, and I felt
Speaker 1: we had to do this together or sink. Either either
Speaker 1: rise or sink together. With Billy at the helm, there
Speaker 1: was no confusion about that. One time Billy rose, I
Speaker 1: had to kiss his wife, who played my wife, so
Speaker 1: my ex wife on the show, Christa Miller, who is
Speaker 1: a very dear friend of mine, And so I kissed
Speaker 1: her and in the middle of kissing her, she stuck
Speaker 1: her tongue in my mouth and I was just I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not okay with this. And so I
Speaker 1: go upstairs to the third floor where our dressing rooms are,
Speaker 1: where Billy's office was, and I knocked on his door
Speaker 1: and who Billy had took you saying, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: come on and sit down. I go, I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta get something off my chest here. I was just
Speaker 1: in the scene that you wrote. I was just having
Speaker 1: a kiss Krista and she stuck her tongue in my
Speaker 1: mouth and he's such a bulbuster. He gives it a
Speaker 1: pause and he goes, did you like it? He did
Speaker 1: it to get me yea. By the way, Johnny, this
Speaker 1: dovetails into something I said. This dovetails was something I
Speaker 1: said earlier. I think Billy has a little bit of
Speaker 1: a little bit bit of a thing for that. It
Speaker 1: was horrorfying. Not being kissed by CHRISTI was horrorfying. But
Speaker 1: the boss's beautiful wife. It makes me nervous even telling
Speaker 1: the story. That's so funny. I think I think Billy
Speaker 1: has a little bit of a special place in his
Speaker 1: heart for man he likes kissing his wife. I have
Speaker 1: a question for you, guys, when you watched the show now,
Speaker 1: do you feel like we foreshadowed so much in every episode?
Speaker 1: Like we foreshadowed a lot in every episode, Like even
Speaker 1: when watching this episode, it's pretty clear that Sean Hayes's character,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have it all together, even though he seems
Speaker 1: like it. Hey, he has it together, and it's and
Speaker 1: maybe because we watched the whole episode now, but every
Speaker 1: time Nurse Roberts came in to address him, he always said,
Speaker 1: no problem, no problem, and I feel like I feel
Speaker 1: like that was foreshadowing. Obviously it was a problem, and
Speaker 1: this was going to be the issue that broke him.
Speaker 1: I feel like, if you watch Scrubs, what we did
Speaker 1: very well. We presented the problem to you early on
Speaker 1: and disguised it and disguised it or hit it with
Speaker 1: comedy and other things. But then at the end of
Speaker 1: the episode we always hit you with the drama to
Speaker 1: make you feel it. But if you watched all the
Speaker 1: way through, we would leave crumbs and hints that this
Speaker 1: was coming. I think, yes, yes to that, and I
Speaker 1: think and it reminded me. I'm reminded of it in
Speaker 1: the first flashback where Zachy is with his brother and
Speaker 1: the tag out is we don't even talk that much.
Speaker 1: He doesn't talk that much to me, And then there's
Speaker 1: this long I don't know, we'll make it up twenty
Speaker 1: your disconnected, And when Tommy Kavanaugh shows up at the hospital,
Speaker 1: all that stuff that Zach had, that Billy had insinuated
Speaker 1: in that scene yields dividends because they have lost contact.
Speaker 1: They're completely disconnected, and the disconnect is profound when they're
Speaker 1: person to personal. So when Tommy comes in and Jackie
Speaker 1: and him, don't connect on any level. Even even the
Speaker 1: John Ritter of Jackie's father, they don't connect at all.
Speaker 1: And that's all in that first flashback. Yeah, but not
Speaker 1: just that, even you missing Jordan the first time we
Speaker 1: meet Jordan. At the end of it, you're reminiscing about
Speaker 1: the wedding and all of that stuff. It tracks later
Speaker 1: on because you guys get back together and you do
Speaker 1: still love her, even though in between all of that
Speaker 1: you guys are warring and you date someone else, and
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Billy, it's very good at
Speaker 1: his job. Johnny, did you like this? Did you? Will
Speaker 1: you come back again onto the podcast? Yeah? It seems
Speaker 1: it seems impot to unload the number of stories. Uh,
Speaker 1: this was a particularly hard episode when I was watching it.
Speaker 1: It was just a hard episode to a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff from nine to eleven came back to me, which
Speaker 1: I don't know if a lot of people it's a
Speaker 1: heavy handed way of approaching something, but people actors are
Speaker 1: human beings, and I was really impacted by nine to
Speaker 1: eleven in a in a immediate family way, and to
Speaker 1: have gotten through this episode in retrospect seems impossible to me.
Speaker 1: And that is that it's that it's a coherent, well
Speaker 1: told tale that goes for twenty one minutes. Is good?
Speaker 1: That's good enough? Yeah, yeah, there are there are there
Speaker 1: are levels of of good, better, best, excellent episodes, and
Speaker 1: this one just goes in under the category of executed.
Speaker 1: We executed. Yes, there's some funny stuff in it, and
Speaker 1: that's good enough. I totally agree, I I I this
Speaker 1: is the first one. You know, Donald and I jokes
Speaker 1: when we start doing this, like, you know, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be ones that we don't like, and we're like, that
Speaker 1: feels this is the first one that it's something we
Speaker 1: don't like it. It's just that it's like we all
Speaker 1: have this Pavlovian response to watching it, going, oh, this
Speaker 1: just feels wrong and weird, and we remember, I agree,
Speaker 1: And I'm not discounting to all the great work that
Speaker 1: everybody did. I'd about to say, I feel like everybody
Speaker 1: did their jobs so well though, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, regardless of what we
Speaker 1: were going through at the time, if you didn't know
Speaker 1: that that was the nine to eleven episode, you're not
Speaker 1: going to be able to tell you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We know, I don't know that's probably. There's so many
Speaker 1: great jokes and we just talked, including that smell was
Speaker 1: the fart that I made, right, But we keep her there,
Speaker 1: keep her here. I have heard you the five six
Speaker 1: sevent eight. Okay, baby baby, baby Wilder come here. We
Speaker 1: want to thank Johnny c McGinley, the legend and Johnny Um.
Speaker 1: We really want you to come back because we're just
Speaker 1: sitting around doing this. Man, we got nothing to do.
Speaker 1: We're sitting around watching episodes and laughing. Here, yeah, please
Speaker 1: come back. There's a thousand times show. And now Donald
Speaker 1: has a very special visitor who's going to count us
Speaker 1: into the theme song. Don Walder Wilder, my daughter Wilders
Speaker 1: here say five six seven eight. Okay, she said, no
Speaker 1: a five six seven eight stories about show we made
Speaker 1: about a bunch of domes and nurses and Janna who here,
Speaker 1: I said, he's the stories never should no. So yeado
Speaker 1: around you, Here are yadoo around you, Here are free
Speaker 1: wild show. Mm hmmm