Speaker 1: What Up, Fuckers. It's Christina Hutchinson and Karin Fisher. You're
Speaker 1: about to listen to a clip from Guys We Funck,
Speaker 1: the anti slut shaming podcast on this week. This episode,
Speaker 1: we interview ex convict Danny Collins and we talk about
Speaker 1: white privilege even in the prison system. We talk about
Speaker 1: the prison system. We talk about having open conversations with
Speaker 1: people who feel differently than you we feel. We talk
Speaker 1: about spec system in prison. Yeah. We talk about how
Speaker 1: to sustain a relationship for that five years while you're
Speaker 1: you know, while you're in prison, and how someone can
Speaker 1: say by your side but still have boundaries. It's a
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Speaker 1: That's why I tell people all the time, when we
Speaker 1: lock people up in prison, we don't eliminate crime. Now
Speaker 1: we do. We displaced times. We take it out of
Speaker 1: the public eye and then put it in this private
Speaker 1: underworld which sexual assaults still happen, which murders still happened,
Speaker 1: and which drug abuse still happens. I mean, everything still
Speaker 1: goes on because our whole mindset is meant to be
Speaker 1: punitive and nothing about it for your ability. And then
Speaker 1: we wander actually wanted people to get better, You wouldn't
Speaker 1: throw them in a cage. Yeah, And the idea is
Speaker 1: that it's justified behind the criminals, but you're not taking
Speaker 1: society into account. You got to detach emotionalism from this.
Speaker 1: You've got to use some objective reason and look at
Speaker 1: it from a point of view that if you really
Speaker 1: want society to heal even the most hard and we
Speaker 1: should never lower our human rights as a society, our
Speaker 1: principles that we are guided by to meet those of
Speaker 1: our most sickened or hardened criminals. And that's what we do.
Speaker 1: We match them at their level instead of trying to
Speaker 1: bring them up to the level of society. And what
Speaker 1: they need is love, and that's something they've probably have
Speaker 1: never gotten ever. And that's you're searching to fill a void.
Speaker 1: And if the only thing can make your energy flow
Speaker 1: through your body is to commit a crime or do
Speaker 1: something violent, because that's how oppressed you were as a child,
Speaker 1: as a baby, could express yourself as a teenager growing up,
Speaker 1: then of course you're going to resort. It's like, it's
Speaker 1: almost scientific. The human mind will resort to those types
Speaker 1: of things if you are repressing any side of yourself
Speaker 1: as from when you're a kid. And that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I've had to deprogram myself and unlearned everything that I've
Speaker 1: ever learned about life, about relationships with people, you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, with faith, with masculinity, with drug addiction
Speaker 1: and all the underlying issues. And I've done it without therapy.
Speaker 1: I've done it through trial and air bumping my head
Speaker 1: against you all a million times. And I still have
Speaker 1: issues with it, you know what I mean. I fite
Speaker 1: my own enter demons all the time, and I'm thankful
Speaker 1: that I've got some people that are helping me out
Speaker 1: with it. But this is the other thing you get
Speaker 1: out of prison. They don't offer this kind of access
Speaker 1: in prison, and if they do, the label of being
Speaker 1: uh psychological or being a site inmate in prison is
Speaker 1: not good. You get thrown into camp. So you could
Speaker 1: be like somebody who maybe you suffering from high function
Speaker 1: in person, suffering with depression or something. Yeah, you need
Speaker 1: some therapy, but you will get thrown in the same
Speaker 1: box with the same with the people that are way
Speaker 1: far gone. And then the you know, the level. It's
Speaker 1: a one size fit all, cookie cutter approach to mental
Speaker 1: health in prison. And that's that's what that was my question, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you asked for mental health care, is
Speaker 1: it available? But so you're you're going to the psych
Speaker 1: where where people where I'm guessing suffering from like severe
Speaker 1: mental illness like schizophrenia or something, are also going and
Speaker 1: then the security levels are a lot higher. Um the
Speaker 1: lack of care. It's just a lot more. Everything about
Speaker 1: it is because no empathy. There's no empathy, and that
Speaker 1: approach is what keeps. And this is the other thing too,
Speaker 1: Like my biological mother passed away when I was in prison,
Speaker 1: and I so she lived three streets down from my
Speaker 1: entire life and never matter. But I called her for
Speaker 1: the first time in my life right from prison. That
Speaker 1: was on the encouragement of my wife. She's like, you
Speaker 1: need to get some closure. This is what's been killing
Speaker 1: you for years to face it. So like I called her.
Speaker 1: We found her number on Google through the um the
Speaker 1: paint white cages on on Google and we call her
Speaker 1: and come to find out she lived lived through three
Speaker 1: three streets down from my entire life. So I knew
Speaker 1: that's when you found that out. Yeah, well I kind
Speaker 1: of figured it out a little bit before then, but
Speaker 1: connecting the dots that I wasn't like when I was young,
Speaker 1: and I don't remember how old I was. I was.
Speaker 1: We had just moved into the to the neighborhood. My
Speaker 1: parents had bought their first house. I was playing basketball
Speaker 1: out in front of the house and two girls come
Speaker 1: riding buy a bicycle. One girl points the other girl says, Daniel,
Speaker 1: that's your sister, Rebecca, and they keep riding. But I'm young,
Speaker 1: so I'm not really able to process this. And then
Speaker 1: I go to school and the girl comes up to me.
Speaker 1: She says, Daniel, you don't know me, but my name
Speaker 1: is Rebecca and I'm your sister. So that's I run.
Speaker 1: I run as far away from it. But I don't
Speaker 1: discuss this with my parents at the house. But now
Speaker 1: I started to get curious and I started looking for things.
Speaker 1: So that's when I got the birth certificate. When I
Speaker 1: took it to my little league coach, the name on
Speaker 1: it said had I had a mother's name that didn't
Speaker 1: match up with my mother, and then I had a
Speaker 1: sister named Rebecca. So later years later, I ended up
Speaker 1: talking to my dad about it, and he always just
Speaker 1: assumed that I knew, you know, and we never it
Speaker 1: was never communicated in our house. He I don't, you know.
Speaker 1: He just he thought that I knew, like it was
Speaker 1: just almost like it was a given and it wasn't,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, he didn't get the time to sit
Speaker 1: you down and have them never told me to time
Speaker 1: to sit me down and have that conversation. We just
Speaker 1: it's just business is normal, you know. But I became
Speaker 1: very I started that um out against my parents, against
Speaker 1: my mom. One time she told me she tried to
Speaker 1: punish me, discipline me for something. I said, you can't
Speaker 1: punish me. You're not my real mom. That was really
Speaker 1: the breakdown, you know. That's that's a rebellion that of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: a young child, a teenager would feel. Yeah, so these
Speaker 1: are some of the issues I had. So when I
Speaker 1: found out that my birth mom died when I was
Speaker 1: in prison, my wife had told me, and I have
Speaker 1: a cousin that was in contact with my wife, which
Speaker 1: I'm hoping to meet soon and and hopefully I can
Speaker 1: meet my sisters as well too. But when she passed away,
Speaker 1: my wife had told me, well, this situation, it bothers me.
Speaker 1: What you did. I can't go to mental health. Well
Speaker 1: you can, but the whole process of filling out mental
Speaker 1: health in prison takes about a month. They got two
Speaker 1: weeks to respond to you, and by the time they
Speaker 1: respond to you in two weeks, it probably takes about
Speaker 1: another two weeks to get you on a list to
Speaker 1: see a mental health doctor. And it's for you have
Speaker 1: to apply for it. There's only one of the co
Speaker 1: in a position where you can, um be advocate for yourself,
Speaker 1: which is already like people walking around day to day
Speaker 1: can't do that, Like you have to go, oh wait,
Speaker 1: I need help. I'm gonna go get Like that's proactive.
Speaker 1: That's pretty proactive. Yeah, I mean it seems like like
Speaker 1: if you're in prison, like everyone could use some mental
Speaker 1: health just being from being in prison, right, Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean that's part of the toxic masculinity in prison too,
Speaker 1: is that you have this stigma where you cannot be vulnerable,
Speaker 1: you cannot show emotion of course, you know, so you
Speaker 1: gotta bravado. I'm a man, I gotta tuck this out,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's the way that it's been taught,
Speaker 1: and that's the way it was always taught to me
Speaker 1: any ways, you know, that's the way I grew up.
Speaker 1: Like we're gonna talk about things so like. And I've
Speaker 1: always been probably any emotional guy that I've bore my
Speaker 1: emotions on serfa. Yeah, But to be conditioned to believe
Speaker 1: and act a certain way for so long, then it's
Speaker 1: just inner conflict. And that's why I've been a conflict
Speaker 1: with myself for years. And I believe that's what led
Speaker 1: to the drug addiction, even with my racism, with my uh,
Speaker 1: my faith, with uh not being able to show emotions,
Speaker 1: all this stuff that you're conditioned and taught as a kid,
Speaker 1: and you gotta undo it and learn things the wrong way.
Speaker 1: Like everything I learned the wrong way. I had to
Speaker 1: figure it out. But the other option for the mental
Speaker 1: health that I was talking about is that you can
Speaker 1: declare psychological emergency in your prison, But the process of
Speaker 1: that is so humiliating that nobody wants to do it
Speaker 1: because you have to get handcuffed into a black box.
Speaker 1: They consider you a threat to yourself or to society.
Speaker 1: So if I just want to talk to somebody, then
Speaker 1: they put you in a green turtle suit and they
Speaker 1: put you in a cell with no sheets. Your food
Speaker 1: comes in the sider funct trade with any eating utensils,
Speaker 1: and they can keep you up there under twenty four
Speaker 1: observation because that's the only way that you can get
Speaker 1: emergency right in that moment, is that you have to
Speaker 1: either say you're suicidal or homicidal. And if you don't say,
Speaker 1: if you don't declare one of those, then you have
Speaker 1: to go through that process. Well a month from now,
Speaker 1: who knows what could have happened in the month by
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, So that's the biggest issues that the
Speaker 1: whole process of mental health in prison too. Not only
Speaker 1: is it a cookie cutter, one size fits all, but
Speaker 1: the process of it is humiliating, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he yeah, they're taking advantage. I would imagine that this term,
Speaker 1: the term toxic masculinity, all the terrible things about that,
Speaker 1: all the anti human things about masculinity that get put
Speaker 1: on boys like don't cry, which is just so fucking ridiculous,
Speaker 1: you're human being. I imagine that that's under a microscope
Speaker 1: in prison when if you're in an all male prison
Speaker 1: from your entire time. Yeah, and that's how prisons are,
Speaker 1: I mean gender. Yeah, so and that's what you see
Speaker 1: like and then in prisons come along ways like with homosexuality,
Speaker 1: you know, like gang affiliations, like that's frowned upon. So
Speaker 1: like when you see that, so even if people are
Speaker 1: having these tendencies are one that they can cause them
Speaker 1: issues within because it's once again it's like there's that
Speaker 1: negative outlook on everything. You know, it's there's a certain stigma,
Speaker 1: a certain way you're supposed to carry yourself in prison
Speaker 1: that a lot of people they struggle with it. You
Speaker 1: know a lot of people will do things and then
Speaker 1: you have some people like that will do something that
Speaker 1: is contrary to who they are just at of fear
Speaker 1: of uh being what's the word I'm before preyed upon.
Speaker 1: So you have a lot of predatoration. Yeah, Like some
Speaker 1: people who are not normally say homosexual, right, but will
Speaker 1: be in prison. Oh we'll not necessarily it won't be
Speaker 1: rape because this is the way this is homes This
Speaker 1: is because they know that these people are going to
Speaker 1: try to do it to them. Anyways, so they will
Speaker 1: make it look like they are the initiators or that
Speaker 1: this is what they want. In reality, this is not
Speaker 1: what they want. But they're doing it just to survive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're making that a more pleasant experience for them, even
Speaker 1: though you can't make that experience ever pleasant, that's not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And is it true that you can get protection from
Speaker 1: someone if you allow them to have anal sex with yours?
Speaker 1: I mean, and please keep in mind all the stuff
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I've got from movies. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's definitely protection. And that's what I shared a video
Speaker 1: because and there's this idea too in movies that you
Speaker 1: see that. And it's different for different states, because I've
Speaker 1: talked to some people in California that sexual predators automatically
Speaker 1: get preyed upon. In Florida, it doesn't necessarily work that way.
Speaker 1: You know, they can pay from protection. But also there's
Speaker 1: camera systems now and the old system that happened. But
Speaker 1: to think that, you know, sexual predators are getting preyed
Speaker 1: upon every day, that they're getting beat up and stab
Speaker 1: every day, doesn't happen that way. But they do pay
Speaker 1: for protection a lot, and they also will be you know,
Speaker 1: This is the other thing too. If there's things going
Speaker 1: on within the system, like if I've got my own,
Speaker 1: um black market hustle going on, if somebody's got this
Speaker 1: going on or something, they're not going to allow somebody
Speaker 1: to harm these people because they don't want them to
Speaker 1: go tell on what they got going on, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So it's this ecosystem that is creating private
Speaker 1: prison because all prisons are private, right, No not, And
Speaker 1: that's the big misconception to private prisons are frowned upon
Speaker 1: now and Joe Biden just signed a thing to where
Speaker 1: I guess that they're not allowed to do it. But
Speaker 1: it's the same concept though. The thing about prison and
Speaker 1: mass incarceration is that most of the time prisons are
Speaker 1: put in rural communities that otherwise where jobs aren't as prevalent.
Speaker 1: So what they do is they build the press, build
Speaker 1: these prisons. Yeah, you create the labor now these Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the modern day slavery. That's when you get prison
Speaker 1: industrial complex. Now, people who work at this prison now
Speaker 1: shop at the local Walmart, they shop at the local McDonald's,
Speaker 1: are the grocery store, and they buy houses and it
Speaker 1: propels that entire economy and then not on on top
Speaker 1: of that, you have the private industries within the prison,
Speaker 1: the medical uh, the canteen, the food, the food service,
Speaker 1: all that. So there's more jobs there got the labor
Speaker 1: of inmates in Florida, you get no paid for work.
Speaker 1: They don't pay you at all, so not even a
Speaker 1: small pay. There's there's several jobs, a couple of jobs
Speaker 1: that will staff canteen, staff barber uh. They have jobs
Speaker 1: such as um. They have a thing called Pride here
Speaker 1: where they'll pay inmates like twenty five cents an hour,
Speaker 1: ten cents an hour, stuff like that. But really it's
Speaker 1: called Pride. Pride is the name of the and I
Speaker 1: don't need it's an acronym for something they have to
Speaker 1: do with gay Pride Like, oh, it's like a private
Speaker 1: company within the prison system and they make a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff for the prison that they also have outside
Speaker 1: contracts too, So this was a big issue. But like
Speaker 1: private companies paying and the issue with it was that
Speaker 1: you had other companies out in the real world that
Speaker 1: we're complaining about Pride because Pride is getting the contracts
Speaker 1: because they were able to exploit cheap inmate labor, so
Speaker 1: now they can undercut the pricing. What companies do you
Speaker 1: know anywhere, any anyone, any city that they're in and
Speaker 1: they're in competition with the local whoever the local companies
Speaker 1: are in the vendors. They don't like it because Pride
Speaker 1: has access to inmate labor. Yeah, am all minimum wage
Speaker 1: where they the state the minimum wage and then they
Speaker 1: the state pays the inmates an hour and that's how
Speaker 1: that works. Yeah, by law, they have to pay minimum
Speaker 1: wage for the job. But what they do is a
Speaker 1: state with charging room and board and that's how they
Speaker 1: get there. Oh my god, no one cares. It's an
Speaker 1: elaborate system and people don't understand how this system really works.
Speaker 1: And there's so much depth to it and simulators. If
Speaker 1: I have a friend Rashawn and he got put on
Speaker 1: a yeah, Rashaun Clark. Yeah, and he got put on
Speaker 1: an outside work squad. And this is the first time
Speaker 1: I started to understand it in this light, was that
Speaker 1: he says, dude, I'm one of the bucks and I'm like,
Speaker 1: for what And he said, man, I don't like working
Speaker 1: for these people. And I was like, what do you mean.
Speaker 1: He said, it's slave labor. And he says, every time
Speaker 1: they put me on one of these squads. I go
Speaker 1: to the bus because I am not working for the
Speaker 1: state for free. It's slavery, it's modern day slavery, and
Speaker 1: it goes against everything I stand on it. But at
Speaker 1: this time he's got his his court paperwork and litigation,
Speaker 1: so he's got an appeal. And Rashawn was in jail
Speaker 1: for being for being at a robbery and he wasn't
Speaker 1: the one with the weapon. He his brother, he was
Speaker 1: sixteen years old, got charged with the robbery at the
Speaker 1: deadly weapon. He was not the possessor of the weapon.
Speaker 1: Um he was with k who was with the child.
Speaker 1: The Department of Juvenile Justice recommended that he go to
Speaker 1: a high risk treatment facility. The state obviously overlooked that
Speaker 1: his brother, who was his code offend and the possessor
Speaker 1: of the weapon, got the most time initially, but both
Speaker 1: of them were They both had plea deals that weren't
Speaker 1: conveyed to them, that weren't offered to them, so their
Speaker 1: attorneys had these plea deals. They never knew these plea
Speaker 1: deals that were a little bit less time than what
Speaker 1: they got. So Rashan was offered fifteen years on fucked
Speaker 1: by their attorneys basically absolutely, and he didn't see it.
Speaker 1: But his brother appealed it and went back to court
Speaker 1: and was granted relief. They granted his appeal, they gave
Speaker 1: him the banforit. Of the doubt was the exact words
Speaker 1: of judge used, and they commuted this sentence to eighteen
Speaker 1: years flat. The circle ways probation and everything. Rashaw went
Speaker 1: on the same exact grounds, with the same exact evidence,
Speaker 1: and the judge did not give him the advantace of
Speaker 1: the doubt, and he said, there's no way that the
Speaker 1: attorney give you this message. But now their their their
Speaker 1: plea offers were on the same paper, you know, they
Speaker 1: were coded in the same evidence, and the judge said
Speaker 1: that their cases were not conjoined. I mean, I looked
Speaker 1: up every definition and conjoined and I don't see how
Speaker 1: it's not, you know, not illegal expert right. But so
Speaker 1: now is being forced to work for free for a
Speaker 1: company and he's saying no, and they're putting he's doing
Speaker 1: it for the state. So the state it has contract
Speaker 1: with the Florida Department of Transportation, and they started to
Speaker 1: lose some of these contracts because we're starting to get
Speaker 1: exposed more. But what happens is that the state has
Speaker 1: contract with with the Department Transportation. They used the inmate
Speaker 1: labor to go mode the communities so and all this
Speaker 1: stuff and they contract case the state, but the inmates
Speaker 1: don't get any money, and it's there. The way they
Speaker 1: say is that they they're they're paying for the room
Speaker 1: and board and it's their debt to society two taxpayers,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's how they look at it, saving
Speaker 1: taxpayers money, you know. But that's how they justify that
Speaker 1: whole process. But because he had his case and in
Speaker 1: appeals court he said he would ended up going to
Speaker 1: work and he's still working today and doing what he's
Speaker 1: supposed to do because he knows it. In Florida, if
Speaker 1: you refuse to work, that's like the number one they
Speaker 1: will take. They will put you in the box in
Speaker 1: solitary confinement, which is the most inhumane thing about prison
Speaker 1: for sixty days and take away all your games. Sixty
Speaker 1: days in a hole and take away all your game time,
Speaker 1: so you really every years again of um you. I
Speaker 1: would imagine the mental fortitude that you must build inside
Speaker 1: yourself in order to not go crazy over these The
Speaker 1: system and to it has to be you have to
Speaker 1: be a pro at that. I can't imagine the strength,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't, you know, Like, That's why I give
Speaker 1: so much credit to Rashaun, because when I look at this,
Speaker 1: he was a sixteen year old kid who went into assistment.
Speaker 1: It's designed to gobble him up as an adult prison
Speaker 1: and he did not join a game. He carried himself
Speaker 1: with dignity, and he educated himself. This man read everything
Speaker 1: you could possibly read, every book you can possibly He's
Speaker 1: when you actually taught me about the whole thirteenth Amendment,
Speaker 1: you know that, Yeah, the abolishment of slavery except for
Speaker 1: when punishable by a crime. And when he started to
Speaker 1: show me these things in this in this light at
Speaker 1: the time, I'm trying to convert on the Trump you know,
Speaker 1: I'm using so I would fool all in because I
Speaker 1: didn't understand my my racism wasn't built on the fact
Speaker 1: that I outwardly just hated African American people. My racism
Speaker 1: was built on upholding a constitution and uh laws, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: the system that are you know, like that I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to be proud to be an American. And when when
Speaker 1: the statutes went coming down because I'm in prison, for
Speaker 1: all this, you know, and how dare you kneel for
Speaker 1: the flag? I was that type of you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I took it personal. So it wasn't so
Speaker 1: much that I hated African Americans. It was more built
Speaker 1: on the fact that, um, I hated that they were
Speaker 1: like it was almost like they were disrespecting our system,
Speaker 1: but not understanding that this system didn't know that was
Speaker 1: built to disrespect them, to disrespect them. And once I
Speaker 1: figured that out, that's when I did the one eighties
Speaker 1: is because I was like wow, and then I became
Speaker 1: collateral damage in a system because it's directly impacted my
Speaker 1: life that was designed to oppress them to start with,
Speaker 1: and it was built on the backs of white supremacy politics.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean that's in the thirteenth the mem
Speaker 1: when when you get down to the language, it says
Speaker 1: you are if you're a prisoner, you are a slave.
Speaker 1: Like it's you can't even argue that, uh, this is
Speaker 1: modern this isn't modern day slavery because it says that
Speaker 1: it is in the Constitution. Yeah, and this is abolished
Speaker 1: in seventy you have the passing of the Black Codes
Speaker 1: in the South, and it says that you know, behaviors
Speaker 1: that practices that are common to black people are now
Speaker 1: a crime. So inevitably, what you did was make being
Speaker 1: black a crime. And this is how the system started.
Speaker 1: So I talked about this on my social media a lot,
Speaker 1: and what people don't understand is that they'll say, we
Speaker 1: just don't commit crimes. You got to understand how this started.
Speaker 1: There is the whole government waiting and pushing for you
Speaker 1: to commit a fucking crime so that are do one
Speaker 1: thing wrong so that they can that I've got five
Speaker 1: years probation right now. I'm afraid to seek out on it,
Speaker 1: you know, just because I know that it speaks. Now,
Speaker 1: don't you become a target. But once I came into
Speaker 1: this light, you can never go back, once you come
Speaker 1: into the knowledge of this truth to how this system
Speaker 1: that Because a lot of people get upset about the
Speaker 1: reactionary um outlashes that you see sometimes in the African
Speaker 1: American community, this is what white people. This is the
Speaker 1: number one thing I hear white people hold on too,
Speaker 1: you know. And the people that I've been around the
Speaker 1: serpence who would necessarily there's there're the type people that say, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not racist, that I've had my prejudices, you know,
Speaker 1: Like that's the argument that I used to use. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a closet racist, you know, like really up racist.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the bottom of it and let's fuck it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get to the bottom of it and talk about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's and own it. But this is what I loved
Speaker 1: about prison. See, because my relationship with Rashan, as I'm
Speaker 1: trying to proselytize him, and this is probably the only
Speaker 1: thing I loved about prison, is the respect level in there.
Speaker 1: Is that because as I'm trying to proselytize him and
Speaker 1: convert him to Trump and and and capitalism and this
Speaker 1: whole system, he's just he's letting me speak my truth.
Speaker 1: My truth didn't make to help space for you, for
Speaker 1: me and out here. That's one thing that does not happen,
Speaker 1: is that if you say something that goes against my
Speaker 1: my ideological beliefs, you're automatically canceled, You're automatically shut down.
Speaker 1: People don't listen to you. But in there there's engagement
Speaker 1: you can't so that's well. But but the Russian was
Speaker 1: to not cancel. It was to make you understand something
Speaker 1: that you very clearly didn't understand. In order to do that,
Speaker 1: you have to show each other respect for you to
Speaker 1: be even be open to listen if you you know,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna listen to somebody who's who's Like if
Speaker 1: I try to get a point across and I'm yelling,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna listen to me. So it's led to
Speaker 1: service to my point, no matter how good it is. Well.
Speaker 1: And also in prison, you're you're stuck there together, so
Speaker 1: it's not like you can walk away. You can't turn
Speaker 1: off your phone, you can't close that email like the
Speaker 1: way we can. People created a society where we can
Speaker 1: really isolate ourselves from each other, and we have and
Speaker 1: we continue to do so by not listening to other
Speaker 1: people's points of view. Like I have a whole other
Speaker 1: podcast that's literally about just this, So I'm very passionate
Speaker 1: about that. Like every day, every every Tuesday, I basically
Speaker 1: say something that could ruin my entire career. It's real
Speaker 1: fun um, but I think just the notion that there's
Speaker 1: things that you cannot talk about without fear of losing
Speaker 1: your job, Like if there is a subject that falls
Speaker 1: under that category, that in and of itself is an
Speaker 1: issue because why can't you talk about it? Why can't
Speaker 1: you question it? You should be able to question everything
Speaker 1: you know, because then that's how you educate yourself. Thanks
Speaker 1: for listening to that excerpt. With our interview with Danny Collins,
Speaker 1: I highly suggest that you listen to the whole goddamn
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