Speaker 1: Welcome to Guys We Fucked Guys, We Guys Book. I'm Christina,
Speaker 1: I'm Karren. We're sorry about last night anti sluck shaming podcast.
Speaker 1: I never stopped. Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of
Speaker 1: Guys with It is the anti slot shaming Podcast. I'm Karin.
Speaker 1: I'm Christina. So I matched your energy my energy energy.
Speaker 1: You made it sensual, Oh did I? I'm still in
Speaker 1: my answering the phones at the SPA voice, so it's
Speaker 1: a little bit calm or a little bit more. It's
Speaker 1: like I want to be shopping to you. Wow, you
Speaker 1: specifically you in general, like whoever massive you? Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't do good in phone answering, Like hi, when
Speaker 1: I worked for Apple and I answered their phones and
Speaker 1: when people's technology isn't working, they're mean. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I actually like answering phones. I love the duties of
Speaker 1: a receptionist, like it was my goal when I quit
Speaker 1: my quote unquote real job to be a receptionist. That's
Speaker 1: why you met it. It can't because it calms me
Speaker 1: like typing, and I like answering phones. You're very good
Speaker 1: at your perfect You're the perfect position. I am. Thank
Speaker 1: you everybody who sent their yust infection cures. To me,
Speaker 1: they've worked. I think a c o is was the
Speaker 1: thing that everybody most popular cure, that everyone swore by.
Speaker 1: And then pouring putting boric acid up your vagina. I
Speaker 1: gotta try that too. Yeah. And then one girl said
Speaker 1: garlic that I had read, and then another person was like,
Speaker 1: before you put garlic up your pussy, not that you
Speaker 1: would do that. I'm like, yeah, that's stupid. Um cool, Uh,
Speaker 1: come see us live, you guys. We have some shows
Speaker 1: that you should come to all over the country. Tonight,
Speaker 1: and you're a comedy club, It's Nacho Bitches at eleven PM.
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Speaker 1: Blair Saki will have a great time. And then the
Speaker 1: next day, for a Saturday, April, Wendy Starling and I
Speaker 1: are co hosting our monthly show Glamor a Pus at
Speaker 1: Zinc Bar in the West Village. Ticket links for that
Speaker 1: show and all the shows we're talking about can be
Speaker 1: found in the description of this podcast. These shows do sellout,
Speaker 1: so to get your tickets, UM, if you live near Miami, Florida,
Speaker 1: or if you know anybody who lives near Miami, Florida.
Speaker 1: Wendy and I are bringing Glamour Post to the Flamingo
Speaker 1: Theater on Saturday, April and that's gonna be a fun show.
Speaker 1: We have a very fun surprise guest comedian that will
Speaker 1: be coming with us. We're really excited. Also, the Ted
Speaker 1: talk that Kurna and I did at UNC Chapel Hill
Speaker 1: is now live, so you can find a link to
Speaker 1: that talk in the description of this podcast. We're very
Speaker 1: proud of it. Please check it out and let us
Speaker 1: know what you think. Uh. And then on Monday, May, Uh,
Speaker 1: Corna and I are going to be testing doing the
Speaker 1: second test date for the Guys We Fucked tour. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The first state already sold out, so thank you so
Speaker 1: much for that. All these test dates are hoppening. That
Speaker 1: wasn't a different language I was speaking. That are happening
Speaker 1: at Subculture, which is on Bleaker Street. Doors open at
Speaker 1: seven pm, the show starts at eight. Tickets for this
Speaker 1: May twenty three date will go on sale April twenty nine.
Speaker 1: The venues all ages. It's super exciting. All you have
Speaker 1: to do if you're under sixteen, bring a parent, bring
Speaker 1: an older brother or sister, and have straight time. Well
Speaker 1: not now I don't do that. I mean that's like
Speaker 1: when we were young, Like we were trying to get
Speaker 1: older people to buy us beer all the time. Now
Speaker 1: the youth is going to try to get tickets to
Speaker 1: the guys we fucked test tour dates. Have you ever
Speaker 1: stood outside of liquor store before you were one? Be like,
Speaker 1: buy me, you can be here? No, I mean I've
Speaker 1: seen it on TV. That's where I got that reference.
Speaker 1: Far from I'm I was follower for a very very
Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, that makes my mom's a teacher. I
Speaker 1: love rules, raised on rules. Rules help people, except for
Speaker 1: when you want to get a picture with baby spice
Speaker 1: them a month in. But that's a different story that
Speaker 1: I'm still better about for another day. Was there a
Speaker 1: rule that you couldn't ask her? Well, listen, we were
Speaker 1: in line and I had gone through all the trouble
Speaker 1: of getting my friend Verina's fake I d and to
Speaker 1: go to this club with my even wise with my mother,
Speaker 1: I still was under twenty once, so I couldn't get
Speaker 1: into I went to the trouble of that she looked
Speaker 1: enough like me. I don't think the bouncer believe me.
Speaker 1: I think he really cared though, I mean it was
Speaker 1: a Baby Spice autograph signing. Yeah, I don't use that
Speaker 1: moment for your power trip. Yeah. And I was like
Speaker 1: later in the line. And so by that time they
Speaker 1: were like, well it's time, we can't take any more pictures. Uh.
Speaker 1: And not because I'm a rule follower. I put my
Speaker 1: camera away because I didn't want to get yelled at
Speaker 1: in front of Baby Spice I'm abundant, because that would
Speaker 1: be the true biggest shame. She would have thought less
Speaker 1: of you forever, you would have And I had like prepared,
Speaker 1: like I got her a fuzzy diary and like and
Speaker 1: stuff and wrote a note and because she loves fuzzy things,
Speaker 1: read like a Spice Girls factbook. Um. And then I
Speaker 1: didn't ask her for a photo. And then immediately after
Speaker 1: I didn't ask her, the people behind me did and
Speaker 1: of course she said yes because she's not a monster.
Speaker 1: And I that is the boswork right of my lits today,
Speaker 1: stop following the rules. And I was just like, no more,
Speaker 1: I will not let this whole of me down anything
Speaker 1: good for Yeah, And then I kicked through the wall,
Speaker 1: like the kool Aid guy, did you used to make
Speaker 1: dances to Spice Girl? Songs when you were God, yeah
Speaker 1: I did that, And I remember like bringing my mom
Speaker 1: and dad in the living room and showtime, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: That was the original showtime for me anyway. And uh,
Speaker 1: but then I look back at those dances and they
Speaker 1: were oddly sexual, but no one said ship. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's kind of good because it's good.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes adults sexualized children. Like there's a lot
Speaker 1: of YouTube videos that do this where there's like some
Speaker 1: young girl who's dancing in a way that we as
Speaker 1: adults interpret as sexual, but of course she doesn't. She
Speaker 1: doing girl. Yeah, dancing dancing the root of dances erotic.
Speaker 1: This is erotic. It's expressive. And also you could tell
Speaker 1: how I always think you could tell us somebody is
Speaker 1: in bed a lot of times based off of how
Speaker 1: they dance. Also, how they drive is how they are
Speaker 1: in bed. Yeah. Yeah, guys who were like tentative drivers.
Speaker 1: Don't even just let me out here and someone car
Speaker 1: jack this. Jesus, someone kidnap me real quick. So I'm
Speaker 1: speedy and efficient. That's pretty good. Well, you're a bit
Speaker 1: of a maniac behind the wheel, Yeah, I would assume
Speaker 1: haven't crashed one. Well, no, I did total my car?
Speaker 1: That's a lie. But it wasn't my fault. The cops
Speaker 1: said it was rainy and slippery, So I mean, I yeah,
Speaker 1: it's okay. Everyone totals their car once, right, No you didn't. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not I have very little experience driving,
Speaker 1: but I've never gotten a speeding ticket. But I'm waiting
Speaker 1: for the day to be for the opportunity to get
Speaker 1: out of one. Of course I would get the lady cop. Okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well I'm charmed people like I'm a stand up comic.
Speaker 1: I'm on a way to like gay. Well, anytime we're
Speaker 1: driving together and you're going very fast and like, we'll
Speaker 1: just be careful because you can know where to write
Speaker 1: a sports car, and you're like, we're not going to
Speaker 1: get a ticket. You just known claimed that we weren't
Speaker 1: getting a ticket, and I was like, well, I guess
Speaker 1: Christine don't know something that I don't. I always try
Speaker 1: to go one mile below whoever the fastest person around
Speaker 1: me is the ticket. Yeah, you can't be the fastest
Speaker 1: in this situation, But do you ever like I used
Speaker 1: to want to get arrested when I was a kid
Speaker 1: so bad in an erotic way, sometimes when I'm around authority,
Speaker 1: authority meeting cops, I'm like, they could The problem is
Speaker 1: I have for cops. Maybe if I was a black cop,
Speaker 1: I'd be into it. White cop, absolutely not. I'd much
Speaker 1: rather be a black no, thank you, for many reasons.
Speaker 1: I kind of like to to be like a real,
Speaker 1: like dykey like Latina cop'd be hot. Yeah. But then
Speaker 1: I mean over the weekend I was actually watching a
Speaker 1: lot of cops and then this other kind of like
Speaker 1: cops like show called Jail. There was really nothing erotic
Speaker 1: about it. What's that about jail? It's about jail and
Speaker 1: living in jail. You're getting getting into it, getting in pickles,
Speaker 1: getting in pickles and jail for kids. Uh. We let's
Speaker 1: read some emails, getting some good ones. If you want
Speaker 1: to email us, uh, sorry about last night show at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com is our email address? Uh? And uh,
Speaker 1: this first email, I want to read the subject line
Speaker 1: from a girl. The subject is I faked it every time. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: So your podcast is awesome and I can't tell you
Speaker 1: how many friends I've gotten hooked on it in the
Speaker 1: past year. I think it's brought up so many conversations
Speaker 1: with friends, and it's let me put them up to things,
Speaker 1: talk about things that I previously was not comfortable talking about. Basically,
Speaker 1: my problem is that for the past nine years, since
Speaker 1: I started having sex when I was seventeen, I have
Speaker 1: faked orgasms with the With my first boyfriend, who I
Speaker 1: was with for really long time five years, he started
Speaker 1: to not be able to get it up because I
Speaker 1: wasn't finishing, and I turned into this huge It turned
Speaker 1: into this huge thing about him and his performance. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I loved him and was
Speaker 1: okay with letting him get off, even though he was
Speaker 1: never knew that I wasn't. We broke up. I was
Speaker 1: hoping I could orgasm with someone else and tried with
Speaker 1: a lot of guys, and it just never happened. I'm
Speaker 1: with a guy now who's older, and it's very much
Speaker 1: on point of point of pride for him that the
Speaker 1: girl has to finish. I didn't start faking it initially,
Speaker 1: but at a certain point I'm just tired of no,
Speaker 1: tired and no, I'm not going to finish. But also no,
Speaker 1: I can't tell him that because he would just go
Speaker 1: down on me forever, which is great that he's willing
Speaker 1: to do that. But past a certain point, I just
Speaker 1: don't want anyone touching me anymore. I hear you. The
Speaker 1: thing that sucks is that I'm not that vocal about
Speaker 1: what I want. I'm very vocal and adventurous in terms
Speaker 1: of sex, or that I don't know my body. I
Speaker 1: can make myself come in like three minutes, no problem. Oh,
Speaker 1: she is vocal about what she wants. Sorry, I misread that.
Speaker 1: I just have no idea what it is or why
Speaker 1: I can't come with a guy even though I can alone.
Speaker 1: I've tried pretty much everything I can think of. I've
Speaker 1: hooked up with girls too to see if that would work,
Speaker 1: but nothing. A few of my friends have told me
Speaker 1: I have to stop faking it or explain to guys
Speaker 1: that I usually don't finish. But then it turns into
Speaker 1: this mission impossible masculinity challenge, and it it's so much
Speaker 1: pressure on me that basically from the minute we start
Speaker 1: hooking up, I know there's no way I can finish.
Speaker 1: I'm twenty six years old now, and while back in
Speaker 1: high school and early in college, a lot of my
Speaker 1: friends had the same issue. I don't know anyone else
Speaker 1: anymore who has never come during sex any advice. I'm
Speaker 1: getting pretty tired of putting on a show every single
Speaker 1: time I fucked someone. Oh, I think I I have this.
Speaker 1: I I know what's wrong. What's wrong? She's not relaxing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you know how when you orgasm? When you when
Speaker 1: you Okay, So, first of all, you need to learn
Speaker 1: how to orgasm. Orgasm Ing by yourself is very different
Speaker 1: than orgasming with a partner in my experience, that's all
Speaker 1: I know about because there's an a person in the room. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: So yeah, you need Yeah, it's like the same as
Speaker 1: like when you can't pee when you hear another person
Speaker 1: walk in or something like to that nage. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: yeah I can. A lot of people can. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. You number one, you have you
Speaker 1: have to learn how to orgasm in the presence of
Speaker 1: somebody else. So, I mean, to do this, you have
Speaker 1: to be with someone you're super comfortable with. I had
Speaker 1: the extreme luxury of having my first boyfriend be someone
Speaker 1: who made me feel so fucking comfortable, like, honestly, a godson,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest people I know. Um, he'll never
Speaker 1: listen to this, but that's okay. Just send it out
Speaker 1: into the universe. Um and uh yeah, so you have
Speaker 1: to relax. You have to actually like physically relax your
Speaker 1: body and your mind. And I think what people often
Speaker 1: overlook is how much of a mental thing and orgasm
Speaker 1: is not just a physical thing. I think we concentrate
Speaker 1: on the physicality of it, but it's so mental, Like
Speaker 1: I actually sometimes get a tension headache when I'm about
Speaker 1: to orgasm because I'm fucking concentrating so hard on it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did too. What if you and also what if
Speaker 1: you tried with the person you're sucking now having sex
Speaker 1: but having like saying beforehand, I'm not going to come.
Speaker 1: That's not the end goal here. Because I liked what
Speaker 1: she said in her email that the guy takes it
Speaker 1: as this challenge to his masculinity. Email, orgasm isn't about you,
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Can you deliver something to us, not making
Speaker 1: it about Let something in sex be about us. But Stephen,
Speaker 1: Stephen could get like that, like if I don't come,
Speaker 1: if I don't come by a certain time, I feel
Speaker 1: like he just goes harder. I'm like, no, that's not
Speaker 1: that's gonna make me never come, well exactly, And then
Speaker 1: that's just me. Yeah, it makes your your vagina or
Speaker 1: you're clit or whatever numb, and I'm just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, please stop it. At a certain point, I
Speaker 1: just like literally like put how to push people's heads away,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, to stop, this is not going
Speaker 1: to happen, And now I'm just irritated. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: not the end of the world. If you don't come
Speaker 1: during sex. You can. You should tell them. You should
Speaker 1: be honest about that, because I completely understand the notion
Speaker 1: of putting on a show. But I think that's the
Speaker 1: main problem with women not coming is that's the only
Speaker 1: thing they're focused on. Like, coming, especially with another person,
Speaker 1: is animalistic. And of course, because you've never come with
Speaker 1: somebody else, I think you don't have a good gauge
Speaker 1: on how long it's going to take you. So I
Speaker 1: think you're freaking out and getting almost embarrassed and anxious.
Speaker 1: So you're just faking it before you're relaxing and giving
Speaker 1: yourself the opportunity to come organically. Yeah, it may see
Speaker 1: like a quick fix to just go or whatever the
Speaker 1: funk you do, and then you're like, oh, it's over, okay,
Speaker 1: but try and incorporate one thing I come clatorially, and
Speaker 1: one thing I love doing with Stephen is grinding up
Speaker 1: against his penis when it's hard for real. That's how
Speaker 1: I first started masturbating when I was a kid. Oh,
Speaker 1: I love dry humping, So I almost wish I didn't
Speaker 1: do it so aggressively when I was a kid because
Speaker 1: now it's like it takes a lot. But but that's
Speaker 1: something that I do. Maybe you should try. Don't know
Speaker 1: how you come when you're by yourself, but incorporate that
Speaker 1: into partnered sex. Use a vibrator while his penis is
Speaker 1: in you. That feels fucking great, right, So I hope
Speaker 1: that helps you can calm You can come if you
Speaker 1: just relax, let us know. Um. So this email is
Speaker 1: called why not a Throuble? Hi Korean and Christina, my
Speaker 1: girlfriend and I have been together for nearly five years,
Speaker 1: lived together for four. Our relationship is incredible and we
Speaker 1: are still madly in love. From the beginning, both of
Speaker 1: us share the belief that traditional monogamy is an unrealistic practice.
Speaker 1: We put a major emphasis on communication, particularly around questions
Speaker 1: of sex and sexuality, and are about as non jealous
Speaker 1: as possible. Neither of us were ever interested in having
Speaker 1: a quote open relationship sleeping with others outside the relationship
Speaker 1: in parentheses, but we're fairly certain that we would be
Speaker 1: having threesomes at some point. She is bisexual and has
Speaker 1: dated both men and women. I'm straight. We recently started
Speaker 1: to explore the option of bringing another woman into our
Speaker 1: sex life and then had our first threesome shortly after
Speaker 1: Christina talked about her and Steven's on the show. Actually,
Speaker 1: which was interesting to compare. It wasn't a bad experience,
Speaker 1: but it certainly wasn't the best. The girl was nice,
Speaker 1: the sex positive education worker, and we had fun. However,
Speaker 1: both my girlfriend and I realized right away that the
Speaker 1: issue really was that though we don't believe in monogamy,
Speaker 1: we also don't enjoy having sex with people we don't
Speaker 1: have deep emotional connections with. We have since met a
Speaker 1: girl that we both have literally fallen in love with.
Speaker 1: I know, we sound nuts. We've been and having sex
Speaker 1: with her in threesomes as well as separately. We go
Speaker 1: on dates with her. We spend huge amounts of time
Speaker 1: with her. She left a long distance boyfriend because of
Speaker 1: her new quote relationship with us. All three of us
Speaker 1: are basically love drunk it's some big love ship without
Speaker 1: the male centric nonsense, but it's getting to a point
Speaker 1: where we are confused about what we have and how
Speaker 1: to exist in the world with it. We both call
Speaker 1: her our girlfriend and she feels the same. Have you
Speaker 1: ever encountered anything like this before? Is a throuble a thing?
Speaker 1: Are we just completely crazy for even trying this? Hope
Speaker 1: you guys read this on the podcast. Perhaps there are
Speaker 1: other listeners working through the same thing. Thanks so much.
Speaker 1: From a person who I don't know if he wants
Speaker 1: me to say his name from a dude from a dude, Yes,
Speaker 1: that sounds fund um. It sounds like a nightmare to me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, but but I makes sense. I
Speaker 1: was like a nightmare. But I totally get the appeal
Speaker 1: to someone who likes people, right, See that's why I
Speaker 1: like people. And I'm like, that sounds great. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: get the appeal and they actually did. Um. One of
Speaker 1: the characters on Girlfriend's Guide to Divorce was in a
Speaker 1: throuble for a little bit. How did it work out
Speaker 1: for her? I know it's fiction, but she felt weird
Speaker 1: about it and and like because because she just felt overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: I think the she's someone her character on the show
Speaker 1: is someone who doesn't really love herself, but that's like
Speaker 1: too much for Zoo people to love her. So she
Speaker 1: needs to love herself her. That's a mission to everything.
Speaker 1: That's the number one thing, love yourself. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the main problem with this is how to
Speaker 1: exist in society. And that's not a problem. That's that's
Speaker 1: everyone else's problem. That's not your problem, and you don't
Speaker 1: need to make it your problem. Yeah, in terms of
Speaker 1: what other people think about it, I mean, if you
Speaker 1: want to get to the point where we want to
Speaker 1: share it with your friends and your family, do it.
Speaker 1: They just might look at you weird. They're totally going
Speaker 1: to look at you Yeah, and that's fine. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: okay to look at you weird, because a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't. They don't grasp it because they haven't been
Speaker 1: faced with that's a thing that happens. But I think
Speaker 1: if you can work out the thing I think would
Speaker 1: get that we get tricky is what if I'm that
Speaker 1: other girl and I want to spend time with the
Speaker 1: girl sometimes and then I want to spend time with
Speaker 1: the boys sometimes. That's so cool because you can be
Speaker 1: like gay or straight, like whatever day of the week
Speaker 1: sexual especially Yeah. Yeah, but then it's like as long
Speaker 1: as everyone's okay with the amount of tension, a tension
Speaker 1: being put on the people it's being put on, That's
Speaker 1: where it gets tricky. Isn't like what do you do
Speaker 1: on Valentine's Day? I guess the three of you just
Speaker 1: go on fucking date. Yeah, And I think it's it's
Speaker 1: extra work. I mean, a relationship, as we all know
Speaker 1: and have gone over many times, is a lot of work,
Speaker 1: so that you are adding work for yourself. And I
Speaker 1: think this is gonna take a lot more TLC, especially
Speaker 1: because it's something that we don't really have like that
Speaker 1: many examples in society to even go off of or
Speaker 1: really know how it should be working. But I think
Speaker 1: there has to be like kind of just a lot
Speaker 1: more set rules. Um. Yeah, I think it definitely could work.
Speaker 1: And I mean that's when it will get tricky. Is
Speaker 1: things like what if you decide to, you know, take
Speaker 1: it further and get married, have kids, that kind of
Speaker 1: a stuff. That's when it's going to get tricky. What
Speaker 1: what if you wanted to go on a vacation with
Speaker 1: one of them, I guess you got to take them all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And my question is, okay, so it's like the the
Speaker 1: initial couple, are you still acting like your relationship is
Speaker 1: kind of like more poor? Yeah, primary because you've been
Speaker 1: in a relationship for for five years and now this
Speaker 1: new person is coming along or is it like a
Speaker 1: new baby where we're going to kind of dote on
Speaker 1: this new new girl and then that runs the risk
Speaker 1: of you, guys losing you know, your passage. I think
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of kind of things that you
Speaker 1: need to go over really carefully and sit down and
Speaker 1: have a conversation, talk about it, about it for sure.
Speaker 1: But yeah, because a lot of times it's the three
Speaker 1: ways when it's a couple and another girl. The girl
Speaker 1: and the couple is like Queen Bee, right, and if
Speaker 1: she's uncomfortable, everyone else. And it seems from my personal
Speaker 1: experience and also from just talking to a bunch of
Speaker 1: people about it, that that's everyone's okay with that, and
Speaker 1: everyone's like, yeah, this is this is the person who
Speaker 1: if they're uncomfortable, we need to make some adjustments. Um,
Speaker 1: and that's for one night. And I because I do
Speaker 1: have some concerns where this this new this new girl,
Speaker 1: her being really wrapped up in this kind of newness
Speaker 1: and excitement for a while, but then kind of feeling
Speaker 1: like she's not getting the full benefits of a one
Speaker 1: on one monogamous relationship, because I could feel that because
Speaker 1: it's nice because you you enter and you're the new
Speaker 1: kid in school and get all the attention, But then
Speaker 1: the newness wears off and then what where is it
Speaker 1: where you left? Yeah? Exactly watching Netflix and chillen right,
Speaker 1: are you not off? Is it? Is she gonna? I
Speaker 1: feel like at some point she might yearn for her
Speaker 1: kind of own version of what you two have to
Speaker 1: And if you guys live together the couple, can she
Speaker 1: just come over? She like fucking Steve Rkel and just
Speaker 1: busting and it was like what yeah? And then in
Speaker 1: are you guys all sleeping the same? But I think
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of stuff that you need to
Speaker 1: go over. And I don't think it's crazy. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's impossible. Have you ever been in love with
Speaker 1: two people once? I've never. That's so cool that that
Speaker 1: can happen, though, But I also confused. I think there
Speaker 1: was probably a time when I was like still like
Speaker 1: in previous relationships where I was still in love with
Speaker 1: the X and then dating someone new possibly yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but not like in love with two outside parties that
Speaker 1: I wasn't in a relationship with either. This is a
Speaker 1: good example of like, do what's best for you, and
Speaker 1: then if it gets weird, talk it out. It's pretty
Speaker 1: much the advice that you could put towards any issue,
Speaker 1: except for this email that I'm about to read. The
Speaker 1: subject line is step dad as naked picks of me. Um.
Speaker 1: This is from a girl I thought I'd never be
Speaker 1: writing you because I'm so scared to even write the
Speaker 1: story in an email. To give you some backstory before
Speaker 1: I start, I'm a straight female human with a sister
Speaker 1: who is three and a half years older than me.
Speaker 1: I am always I've always been very self conscious and
Speaker 1: just an overall cautious person. She attached to thoughto you're
Speaker 1: super cute. My parents are divorced and my mom has
Speaker 1: had the same boyfriend since I was two, though it's
Speaker 1: not relative to this story. My dad has been very kind,
Speaker 1: but an absent father. He does and has always done
Speaker 1: his best to be the very best for us, but
Speaker 1: he has some issues of his own, some of which
Speaker 1: include the fact that he has never been able to
Speaker 1: say I love you to me, or my sister or
Speaker 1: my mom, which is when they were married. My dad
Speaker 1: is a great guy, but he's not part of this
Speaker 1: story because he's not really around. About seven or eight
Speaker 1: years ago, my sister woke up in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night saying she was worried. She thought that she
Speaker 1: saw flashes go off while she was sleeping. We later
Speaker 1: learned that our stepdad had been using a digital camera
Speaker 1: to take photos of her while she was sleeping. When
Speaker 1: she confronted him about it, he said that he was
Speaker 1: in her room trying to find one of our cats
Speaker 1: to let him out. We checked his camera and his
Speaker 1: memory card was gone. The next day, my mom confronted
Speaker 1: him about this. He said that nothing weird had happened,
Speaker 1: and then if she kept bringing it up, he would
Speaker 1: leave her. After that, a few incidentss incidents had happened
Speaker 1: here and there, but were never really brought uh. He
Speaker 1: never really brought them up for fear of him leaving.
Speaker 1: A couple of years later, I remember waking up to
Speaker 1: him taking photos of me while I was sleeping. He
Speaker 1: had lifted my top while I was asleep. After I
Speaker 1: opened my eyes, I asked him what he was doing.
Speaker 1: He said he was trying to wake me up because
Speaker 1: it was time to go to an appointment. That I had,
Speaker 1: these incidents and a few others that I have omitted
Speaker 1: have been stuck in my brain. I can't stop thinking
Speaker 1: that my mom is in love with a creep who
Speaker 1: has some kind of hidden value of vault of photos
Speaker 1: of my sister and I, although he has never touched
Speaker 1: us physically. I also can't stop thinking that she didn't
Speaker 1: believe us when it was most important. She decided to
Speaker 1: stay with him rather than protect us the very first
Speaker 1: time this happened. I am an incredibly paranoid person because
Speaker 1: of this. I never let him touch me or my sister,
Speaker 1: and I try to stay away from him as much
Speaker 1: as possible. We are both adults and have full time
Speaker 1: jobs now, so we aren't at home very often. It
Speaker 1: still bothers me every single day that a huge part
Speaker 1: of my innocence was stolen so young. Yes, I know
Speaker 1: that sounds weird, but if he really still has those photos,
Speaker 1: I don't want to think about what he has done
Speaker 1: with them, I guess. I really just want to know
Speaker 1: your opinion and what you think I should do. If anything,
Speaker 1: I love you both and I wish you the very best.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for reading this email. Oh that blows. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The most disheartening thing is when the biological parents, who
Speaker 1: is supposed to kind of be with you through a
Speaker 1: thrick and thin, doesn't believe you. And so often it's
Speaker 1: the mom not believing her children when this outside party
Speaker 1: man she has brought into their life starts doing weird
Speaker 1: fucking creepy ship. Yeah, that's weird creepy ship. The first
Speaker 1: time your older sister seeing a flash in her room
Speaker 1: and then the mom confronting her about it, the dad
Speaker 1: about it, and then him saying, no, okay, maybe it
Speaker 1: could have been something weird. If you're gonna let the
Speaker 1: cat out, that wasn't even a good story. You get
Speaker 1: a fucking flashlight, you fucking asshole. If you're gonna be
Speaker 1: a pedophile, get a book of lies, right, I mean you, God, seriously,
Speaker 1: it's just so fucking bizarre. And then the fact he's
Speaker 1: manipulative obviously, it's saying that if you keep hearing this up,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave you now. I can understand if you
Speaker 1: didn't do it, And then your your spouse not believing
Speaker 1: you is just putting a wedge in between the relationship.
Speaker 1: But you fuck she fucking perved on you. Guys, he
Speaker 1: lifted up this girl's shirt and took a photo. Fuck
Speaker 1: that ship. And my question is, does your mom know
Speaker 1: about that happened? The second time he lifted your shirt up.
Speaker 1: He wasn't waking you up for an appointment. He was
Speaker 1: getting a picture of your tits. Yeah, I mean gross.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is just something that is eventually
Speaker 1: going to come out in a fiery moment. Yeah, Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: dinner or Christmas dinner or fucking Passover state or whatever
Speaker 1: you guys are celebrating like something. This is. This is
Speaker 1: because you're you've been holding this inside for so long.
Speaker 1: And then at the end of your email, I feel
Speaker 1: like you're questioning yourself like that is this? Like like
Speaker 1: you're like you're convincing yourself that you're making too big
Speaker 1: of a deal about this. I don't think you're making
Speaker 1: a big enough deal with this. Your mom's fucking living
Speaker 1: with a pedophile and he has stolen in a way,
Speaker 1: you're part of your innocence And fuck this dude. And
Speaker 1: also I'm gonna say fuck your mom because your mom
Speaker 1: should believe you. Sorry, no, that's I agree. But if
Speaker 1: I were you, I I would I mean, I would
Speaker 1: fucking mcguy for that ship, and when they're not home,
Speaker 1: search every inch of his of their home in hopes
Speaker 1: of finding this memory card. Yeah, and because that's evidence
Speaker 1: that you could take the police. And because you should
Speaker 1: be around this person still, Like I know, you're adults,
Speaker 1: you have jobs like get I mean way from this person. Yeah, Christmas, Thanksgiving, hollow,
Speaker 1: whatever fucking holidays you celebrate that usually involve seeing the family.
Speaker 1: I would, oh my god, I would never want to
Speaker 1: be in that man's presence. I mean, I would like
Speaker 1: probably keep bringing up like a broken record. I'd be like, hey, photographer,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But the thing is, I also don't
Speaker 1: I don't want to encourage that behavior because I don't
Speaker 1: know this. This person obviously is mentally unstable. So I
Speaker 1: don't want to encourage the stuff like that because I
Speaker 1: don't want him to like you took in your I
Speaker 1: don't want him to kill you in your sleep. I know, like,
Speaker 1: definitely proceed with caution, but you need to get away
Speaker 1: from this person and do everything to convince your mom
Speaker 1: to get away from this person. This is not healthy.
Speaker 1: And even even if he didn't do it, the fact
Speaker 1: that he's kind of like holding it over her head,
Speaker 1: like I'm going to leave you. Anyone who can constantly
Speaker 1: threatens to leave you in a relationship is not someone
Speaker 1: you should be in a relationship with. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: red flag out. Yeah, that's a red flag if a
Speaker 1: person is holding something over your head and threatens to
Speaker 1: leave that you fucking leave leaves her. Heps just threatening
Speaker 1: to leave the relationship. You know what you say? Bye bye,
Speaker 1: all that's cute. Bye that you didn't think I was
Speaker 1: going to do that. But first, honestly, I think because
Speaker 1: your mom's in such deep denial about her now husband
Speaker 1: doing he lifted up your fucking shirt. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the fun out of here with that bullshit.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe do an intervention style like maybe you've I'm
Speaker 1: not sure how you've expressed it to your mom before. Uh,
Speaker 1: if you've done it in person, maybe try writing like
Speaker 1: a really thought out email or a handwritten letter, like,
Speaker 1: just try different ways to express it to her. But
Speaker 1: if you're still into your adult life, telling her something
Speaker 1: like sit her down with your sister and just tell
Speaker 1: her from the heart, this is something that happened, and
Speaker 1: not only did this experience hurt me, the fact that
Speaker 1: you don't believe me hurts probably more. Yeah, I I
Speaker 1: would do. I would think though, I would try and
Speaker 1: attempt to get solid proof because then you cannot refute that.
Speaker 1: You can't you can't say no to that. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is not someone who should be around you or your family.
Speaker 1: And it's bullshit that you have to put up with
Speaker 1: this at all, and especially for so long. It's such
Speaker 1: a common theme with people who have been a sexual assaulted, molested,
Speaker 1: anything like that. It's like they feel embarrassed about it,
Speaker 1: which I get, and then they try and convince themselves
Speaker 1: that it wasn't as bad as it is. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it was sorry, Yeah, yeah, you gotta. I would try
Speaker 1: and find proof if I can, when they're not home,
Speaker 1: when you know they're not going to be home, so
Speaker 1: you can do a full on raid. Yeah. And it's
Speaker 1: just so disgusting because it's not only are you a
Speaker 1: child when you're sleeping, you cannot defend yourself. You're not
Speaker 1: even you're not even in your you're not you're not awake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so great kind of halfway cosby do you oh,
Speaker 1: my god. Gross. Uh sorry that happened, and I hope
Speaker 1: that you If you there's an update on that story,
Speaker 1: let us know. But I would try to find proof
Speaker 1: and then sit your mom down and go here you go.
Speaker 1: It happened. Yeah, okay, that was a lovely variation of emails.
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Speaker 1: We hope, I hope he has so many problems we
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Speaker 1: of We the People Live. He's a friend of ours.
Speaker 1: We've done his podcast a couple of times. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about fucking, bisexuality, all kinds of stuff. Ladies and gentlemen,
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Speaker 1: Some bird that looks like a kiwi Wait did you
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Speaker 1: it was just what you called people from New Zealands.
Speaker 1: So New Zealand has a native bird that's like that
Speaker 1: is to New Zealand what the kangaroo is to Australia.
Speaker 1: It's like the source of their iconography. And it's called
Speaker 1: a kiwi. It's a flightless bird, small, small little bird
Speaker 1: that waddles around. And that's why kiwi fruit I called
Speaker 1: what you just call them kiwi's. Yeah, that's why they
Speaker 1: called kiwi fruit because they originated in New Zealand and
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Speaker 1: we've lost all our listener, are you guys still there's
Speaker 1: just kidding? We're here with Josh Zepp's host of Many
Speaker 1: Thing We the People Live, great podcast. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: You guys have been wonderful guests on Frantest. I met
Speaker 1: my boyfriend John ronson there. Yeah, we had him on
Speaker 1: the show last week? Yeah we did, isn't He said
Speaker 1: the words slip puss and it made me so happy
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Speaker 1: Did I walk? Like? Did you slave pless? Just something
Speaker 1: about his voice And I know that some Americans think
Speaker 1: that my Astralian accent sounds intellectual, but to me, thank
Speaker 1: you very much, because let the know, I don't understand
Speaker 1: that either. But when I hear someone who speaks like
Speaker 1: John Ronson, I just think immediately he's above me, like
Speaker 1: there's a hierarchy of human being, and he'd say anything
Speaker 1: like that's a smart thing. He can do no wrong.
Speaker 1: Allow me to name drop for a moment unintentionally, but
Speaker 1: it's just relevant. When I was working on Half Post Live,
Speaker 1: Oh you're adjusting the money. It's less echoy when it's
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Speaker 1: This is too tight, That's what she said. I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna go. I had Judd Apatow and Bill Hayda on
Speaker 1: hu Post Live, and both when I asked them what
Speaker 1: their favorite book was, both of them cited John Ronson's book,
Speaker 1: and Bill Hayda went into a John Ronson impersonation because
Speaker 1: he listened to the audible audio book of So've Publicly Shamed,
Speaker 1: which I had also listened to. And he's so good.
Speaker 1: I mean, Hayd is just a genius and impersonation, and
Speaker 1: he goes he goes into like Jon. That's how Roun speaks.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, may pussy jonah Lera. The way he
Speaker 1: says that name is so ingrained in my brain. Jon,
Speaker 1: You're making me work right now. Honestly, I can't talk
Speaker 1: about them to watch. She's into it. So if you
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Speaker 1: it's the third to last episode with the people alive.
Speaker 1: Just search with the people. It's all one word or
Speaker 1: some time we do that at the end. O. Sorry,
Speaker 1: was I being too full? God? I didn't know you, Okay,
Speaker 1: I assumed you were straight because of your accent. I
Speaker 1: can't tell, you know when like like American men sometimes
Speaker 1: when they're gay, you can tell. I'm saying yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that's true. And how dare you that's true
Speaker 1: with gay guys everywhere, isn't it? I mean, I'm just not.
Speaker 1: I mean, but I'm not. If I were American, I
Speaker 1: would I think I would still be as I'm gay,
Speaker 1: presenting as I even friend go too far in the
Speaker 1: other direction. You're not that, I mean, I wasn't like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't drop a plates. We weren't, like, you're the
Speaker 1: straightest person I've ever seen. Two buttons on buttons. That's
Speaker 1: not gay, that's just not American. Like Americans are very
Speaker 1: uptight in their dress code like you've got a grease
Speaker 1: and every single man, even the most her suite heterosexual men,
Speaker 1: have fourteen buttons undone and their big hairy chest. I
Speaker 1: guess the problem with dick and know a lot about Australia.
Speaker 1: That's probably true. I know that gay marriage is not
Speaker 1: legal there. Know what the fuss going on Australia. What
Speaker 1: the fuck get with the program? So what's it like
Speaker 1: to be Are you okay? You're buy? I mean, that's
Speaker 1: such a word, isn't it. I said, you didn't like
Speaker 1: that word? But so, I mean, all of my original
Speaker 1: loves were girls. But when I was in my teens
Speaker 1: and early twenties, I just assumed that everybody found attractive
Speaker 1: people attractive and charming people charming and prismatic people charismatic
Speaker 1: and appealing people appealing. They just don't want to admit
Speaker 1: it kind of think that's true and solve the problem.
Speaker 1: So I just thought, I just assumed that what you
Speaker 1: do outwardly is you go out with girls and that's fine,
Speaker 1: and then and then everyone you just don't. You just
Speaker 1: don't talk about it. You don't talk about the dick sucking.
Speaker 1: That's but obviously you do it in some you know
Speaker 1: it's there, but we're just not talking about It's like communism,
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, when if you're a communist, you weren't really
Speaker 1: talking about it a lot. Where now yeah not now.
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a huge communism club that world.
Speaker 1: They all laugh at communism in the fifties and then
Speaker 1: they go back to their homes and they stuck communisms. Dick,
Speaker 1: That's right, that's exactly that's act analogy. That's exactly what
Speaker 1: I was doing when I was seventeen. Uh and then
Speaker 1: and what changed for me was when I was dating
Speaker 1: a girl who I had a very loving relationship, who
Speaker 1: I was madly in love with, and then I fell
Speaker 1: in love with a guy when I was like twenty three.
Speaker 1: What did he have like wind blowing through his hair
Speaker 1: all the time, like bon Yes, he had wind blowing
Speaker 1: through his head, just like in your head, in my head.
Speaker 1: And then I mean we basically fell in love. And
Speaker 1: what happened was then I was like, oh, okay, this
Speaker 1: is actually a different thing. Like now, how I get it?
Speaker 1: Because up until then, I just what it taught me
Speaker 1: was that everybody else isn't like me. Up until then,
Speaker 1: I thought that I was just like everybody, and we
Speaker 1: were all just playing along with this kind of charade
Speaker 1: where girls are nice? Why wouldn't you like girls boobs are?
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean what's not What was different about
Speaker 1: this love that you felt for this man? Well, what
Speaker 1: was different was not about It was not anything about
Speaker 1: that love or about me. It was about realizing that
Speaker 1: I didn't believe that my other male friends had ever
Speaker 1: had that. Did you fall in love with this guy
Speaker 1: while you were in a relationship with a woman or afterwards?
Speaker 1: How you tell her that? Yeah? I told her? How
Speaker 1: how do you tell your girlfriend that you fell in
Speaker 1: love with the dude being honest? Yeah, it's as simple
Speaker 1: as that, right, I mean it's pretty simple, like honesty
Speaker 1: for me and just upfrontness and frankness are the most
Speaker 1: important things on the show. Um, how we don't say
Speaker 1: frank how to take a shot? Now? What What was
Speaker 1: her reaction when you told her this? She found it
Speaker 1: understandably confronting, um and was like, well, does that mean
Speaker 1: that you're gay? And does that mean that you want
Speaker 1: to go off and be with him? And I was
Speaker 1: like no, I mean I don't know, do you know
Speaker 1: who knows? But I'm explaining to you something that is
Speaker 1: happening in my life that's important to me and is
Speaker 1: emotionally conflicting to me, And I don't want you to
Speaker 1: be on the outside of this while I'm going through it,
Speaker 1: you know, since we're dating, since we since you're the
Speaker 1: person I'm going through this really traumatic love, so you
Speaker 1: can stand by me. I'd appreciate it. The person you
Speaker 1: should tell a tale. But honestly, when I told my
Speaker 1: boyfriend w I had a crush on somebody, I told
Speaker 1: him because I was going through it and I wanted
Speaker 1: him to know because he's good. Isn't that sort of healthy?
Speaker 1: Like whatever? Wouldn't it be wouldn't it be great to
Speaker 1: live in a world where it was possible to have
Speaker 1: conversations about all the ship you're going through without having
Speaker 1: to lie to people. In what world are we living
Speaker 1: in that it's okay or that someone's gonna take it
Speaker 1: okay if you're their boyfriend tells him there in love
Speaker 1: with Gandhi was a sexist anyway, Umbly did an article
Speaker 1: about it. I'm like, shut up. Quote things you see
Speaker 1: on magnets. Yeah, it's much good magnets stuff. My mom's
Speaker 1: got all of them. They're not that great. She's got
Speaker 1: the whole Gandhi collection. All of the quotes dance like
Speaker 1: no one's rotching in the rain with buckets of sunshine.
Speaker 1: The saddest people have the most amount of quotes with
Speaker 1: the magnets. You know. Um, this is so interesting to
Speaker 1: me because we get a lot of emails. We've been
Speaker 1: getting a lot of emails from men who are bisexual,
Speaker 1: and they either the women the woman doesn't believe them
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, you're gay. Have you ever had
Speaker 1: that happened to you, where a woman just assumes you're
Speaker 1: gay and you're lying. I've had the opposite more, which
Speaker 1: is gay people claiming that I'm somehow betraying the team
Speaker 1: because I like boobs, you know what I mean, Because
Speaker 1: there's less of them, so it's more important. It's like
Speaker 1: being a Jew, like, we get real mad if you
Speaker 1: try to leave. Ye, that's why you get invited to Israel. Well,
Speaker 1: it's been your courage. But it's interesting that you mentioned
Speaker 1: that because I'm half Jewish. I was bar Mitsford and
Speaker 1: my relationship to Judaism is not dissimilar from my relationship
Speaker 1: to gaynus. Okay, Oh, that's a fun interesting thing. In
Speaker 1: that it's something that I have that I appreciate. I
Speaker 1: kind of feel good, like I feel just talked about
Speaker 1: your homosexuality and Judaism like it was Herpye, there, let's discussed.
Speaker 1: Let's discuss the weeping postules coming out of my penis
Speaker 1: right now. Okay, they they'll go away eventually, even if
Speaker 1: they don't. I embrace them. I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: there's a long kind of heritage that I belong to,
Speaker 1: which I'm kind of honored to the five thousand years
Speaker 1: of putting up with other people shooting on you. Aspect
Speaker 1: of Judaism. I really like the fact that Jews love
Speaker 1: education so much and are very there are a book
Speaker 1: learning people. We're a book learning people. That's why they
Speaker 1: run Hollywood because they're fucking smart, exactly. And you know
Speaker 1: who else runs Hollywood? Women? Just kidding gays? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. And and you know, there's a there's a
Speaker 1: sort of history of resistance and resilience in the gay
Speaker 1: community that I also find Why is that the preservation Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean people keep shooting any any community that keeps
Speaker 1: getting shot on either either dies, you know, or keeps
Speaker 1: getting shot on forever. And then once in a while
Speaker 1: it'll just so much except under the rug and we'll
Speaker 1: blow up, right, Uh, And so I kind of I
Speaker 1: feel but I feel like we've gotten to a place
Speaker 1: where do we really need gay anymore? The label sometimes
Speaker 1: people it helps people, right, I mean, or did the
Speaker 1: word bisexual help you understand, like, oh this is where
Speaker 1: I feel it in or do you just it's you
Speaker 1: seems like you hate labels. Yeah, I'm a big anti
Speaker 1: label guy. Yeah, because I think that's fine for some people.
Speaker 1: But on the flip side, where I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people are like not so cut and dry straight
Speaker 1: or gay. But I also think it's annoying to the
Speaker 1: people who are like pretty much a hundred percent straight
Speaker 1: or pretty much a hunter percent gay to be like no,
Speaker 1: like we all love each other some times, like you
Speaker 1: might meet a woman who's going to change your life
Speaker 1: one day and want to funk her, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: that's annoying to people who are like no, I know
Speaker 1: what I am. Yeah, but why is it annoying? Because
Speaker 1: it because it's because people are projecting themselves onto you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then people are trying to be like, well, maybe
Speaker 1: you just didn't meet the right woman. Yet I've been
Speaker 1: around for a while. Yeah much, Sure, I can totally
Speaker 1: imagine how obnoxious it is to have people being like,
Speaker 1: come out, you're really gay. Deep down, sure you could
Speaker 1: suck a dick if you want to do right. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing is like when like you say you
Speaker 1: don't want to get married and have kids and people
Speaker 1: are like, no, you're girl. Get older and you'll change
Speaker 1: your mind, Like, well, really, I'm like forty eight right now.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm changing my mind. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: when you look back through history and now I'm getting
Speaker 1: all sort of cerebral about it. But this is the
Speaker 1: way that I thought when I was you. This is
Speaker 1: the way that I thought about things when I was
Speaker 1: in my teens in early twenties, which is you look
Speaker 1: at ancient Greece and you look at like ancients. You
Speaker 1: look at Paris in the nineteenth century, you look at
Speaker 1: like some Moa and Tonga. Today you look at part
Speaker 1: of the part of Afghanistan and like northern Pakistan they
Speaker 1: rape adolescent boys as a rite of passage. Yeah still yeah,
Speaker 1: still to this day want to go and they blows
Speaker 1: they like they have so but you have like the
Speaker 1: little boy, Who's I mean, there's all kinds of non heteronormative.
Speaker 1: The one I just say things in Christina allows sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. You're right, that was making light of
Speaker 1: a very horrible thing. And that's how we deal with
Speaker 1: things on guys we've find okay, So I don't want
Speaker 1: any letters, all right, So I so I feel like
Speaker 1: it's a look at the amount of money that Abercrombie
Speaker 1: and Fitch and carvon Klein put into ads that depict
Speaker 1: the naked torsos of men two other men, right, and
Speaker 1: then the target audience is other men, and it's like
Speaker 1: Victoria's Secret, Right, I don't I need to see a
Speaker 1: chick rolling around in a bikini on the beach. I
Speaker 1: need to see that, Like, you're not marketing that for chicks,
Speaker 1: You're marketing that for dudes. What do you well, I
Speaker 1: don't know about Victoria's Secret because I think there you
Speaker 1: are sort of marking it two dudes. But you see
Speaker 1: it's like homemo erotic Abercrombian Fitch because but I say,
Speaker 1: I love it. But also, don't you think it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of like a body comparison to Yes, I
Speaker 1: think that too, So I'm not pretty as me. That's
Speaker 1: the worst voice in the world. Never do it again.
Speaker 1: What I'm not saying is that every straight guy actually
Speaker 1: secretly wants to suck a dick and he just doesn't
Speaker 1: know it yet. That's patronizing and condescending and stupid. What
Speaker 1: I am saying is that part of the way that
Speaker 1: we conceive of ourselves as sexual beings and who we
Speaker 1: are permitted to love and feel attracted to, and the
Speaker 1: kinds of lines that we are allowed we allow ourselves
Speaker 1: to transgress, are influenced by the way that we think
Speaker 1: about how sexual acts relate to our own identity, and
Speaker 1: that the aspirational component of and forgive me if I'm
Speaker 1: getting a little bit philosophy one I one here, but
Speaker 1: the aspirational component of looking the aspirational component of looking
Speaker 1: at an Abercrombie and Fitch Torso and thinking I want
Speaker 1: to be that actually feeds off a little flutter in
Speaker 1: your gut that is not dissimilar from attraction. The reason
Speaker 1: why we don't conceptualize it as attraction is because we've
Speaker 1: created a world in which there are gay people and
Speaker 1: straight people, and to do gay acts would mean that
Speaker 1: you would have to reconcept realize your whole identity and
Speaker 1: think about yourself in a whole new way. What I
Speaker 1: would love would be a scenario much closer to what
Speaker 1: has existed throughout most of history, in most places, until
Speaker 1: we invented the concept of the homosexual, which is that
Speaker 1: back in olden days, hey, you could fucking goat. It
Speaker 1: didn't mean anything about your identity. It just meant that
Speaker 1: you goat. Sometimes he fox his goats. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: love fucking goats. That's why I have at my apartment
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. But people always bring that up as a joke.
Speaker 1: But I really think about that a lot, because it's
Speaker 1: just because because courses are high, people who are super
Speaker 1: conservative always do go from homosexuality to fucking animals, and
Speaker 1: then I think are weird. But but wait, but some
Speaker 1: there are those rare cases of people who are in
Speaker 1: love with animals. But I just don't know because are
Speaker 1: sexually see, they don't speak a human language, they can't
Speaker 1: really consent. Yeah, so that it is kind of rape.
Speaker 1: But here's what about this thought experiment. This is something
Speaker 1: that Peter Singer, who is one of the great moral
Speaker 1: philosophers who works up at Princeton. I believe, uh posts,
Speaker 1: which is no, one's going to fact, Yeah, we're not
Speaker 1: imagining I going to get out and see where peters singing.
Speaker 1: You know, some of them will and I them for it,
Speaker 1: but others are like, yeah, I'm driving whatever. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to get baber tickets. He says, like, what about
Speaker 1: the case when it comes to bestiality of a dog
Speaker 1: who may enjoy licking honey off of a woman's private parts? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but is that woman getting stone and putting honey on
Speaker 1: her pussy and hopes that the dog will wick it? Yes? Right, yes,
Speaker 1: But is there is there a moral problem there? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't my gut. My gut is no,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a moral problem there. I think
Speaker 1: to do it right. But also the dog isn't going
Speaker 1: to feel like an issue. You could put honey on
Speaker 1: a cactus. The dogs are going to try and lick it, right,
Speaker 1: But I don't you know, but yeah, right, at least
Speaker 1: attempt the woman's the woman's enjoyment if she if she
Speaker 1: gets off and has an orgasm as a result of
Speaker 1: the dog, it's sort of extraneous to what the dogs doing,
Speaker 1: so it's not really a sexual act. And maybe that's
Speaker 1: the difference. Whereas when I of an evening as I
Speaker 1: habitually do fuck a goat, then it's difficult to say
Speaker 1: whether or not the goat is truly consenting. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: the difference. Yeah, you the goat cannot consent to fucking
Speaker 1: because he's not backing up on your penis. Sometimes he does. Well,
Speaker 1: your goats are fucking well. I think some goats would
Speaker 1: go forever. The thing is like I think I think
Speaker 1: this would be like a be an issue that humans
Speaker 1: would like we we are obsessing over this like animal
Speaker 1: fucking thing. But the animals I don't think would give
Speaker 1: a ship or even no and it would they would
Speaker 1: go on with their day and then we would be
Speaker 1: left just be like, they wouldn't be broken immoral, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't. They don't have the brain capacity to feel that.
Speaker 1: I don't think it has not. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: once touched a dog pussy and she growled when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, and that reminded me that, like alerted
Speaker 1: me to the fact that they do understand that special
Speaker 1: places of special that particular dog didn't like you. I mean,
Speaker 1: my roommates dog gets an erection when I come home
Speaker 1: because I'm a joy. But yeah, well that's the difference
Speaker 1: beween you and me. You're an appealing person and I'm
Speaker 1: a lot of people would sweet know you should do
Speaker 1: a parody porn version of John Rons's book Men Who
Speaker 1: Fuck Goats. Just had to get that out there my brain. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Also to the animal thing, like, I don't I think
Speaker 1: it's rape if you insert yourself into an animal. I
Speaker 1: mean it's like human standards. Is the animal kingdom have rape?
Speaker 1: Understand because under the Instagram, say a lion or go
Speaker 1: let's do go because like they can't eat you, wants
Speaker 1: you to fuck it? Or how do you know? Like
Speaker 1: how do you go asking for it? Was? How short?
Speaker 1: Was her sp was blood? Did she smell real juicy?
Speaker 1: What does that go? Where she shouldn't have been? Fault?
Speaker 1: You don't roam the next neighbor's fucking pasture? Lipstick? The
Speaker 1: goat had eyeliner on. No, Now, Peter is going to
Speaker 1: be like, no, don't test practically as a cow's skull
Speaker 1: staring at us and an alligator head love good? An
Speaker 1: alligator makes me fill at home? You know there was
Speaker 1: a there was a scenario which I read about where
Speaker 1: a guy was arrested for dressing himself up in a
Speaker 1: leather one piece jumpsuit, like in one of those like
Speaker 1: fetish helmet things where only his mouth is open. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he was in the Midwest and he would he
Speaker 1: would go to a horse barn and he would blow
Speaker 1: the horses, and the horses big mouth. Yes, obviously really
Speaker 1: like Jena's neck. I mean, the horses would come and
Speaker 1: he would drop it down. Okay, so he got arrested
Speaker 1: and prosecuted for base reality. But my question is in
Speaker 1: this case, the horse is kind of consenting because the
Speaker 1: horse could move, the horse could leave, and the horse
Speaker 1: the horse came. Because sometimes when women are getting rap,
Speaker 1: they get what it doesn't mean they like it consented there.
Speaker 1: This is interesting. I heard a psychologist talk on the
Speaker 1: Dan Dan Savages, Savage lovecast um. That's this. One girl
Speaker 1: called it and said she was raped and the most
Speaker 1: alarming part, one of the most alarming parts about it
Speaker 1: for her was that she was also wet. And some
Speaker 1: men have gotten raped by other men and have had
Speaker 1: an erection and they're like, what the fuck. But the
Speaker 1: psychologist described it as the body's defense mechanism to like
Speaker 1: kind of get it over with and just you know,
Speaker 1: like when someone's not heard, like sometimes like when there's
Speaker 1: like a groping situations on the on the subway or
Speaker 1: something like that. Like there's like that tingle in your
Speaker 1: vagina that we talked about on the podcast time to time,
Speaker 1: Like why does that happen? And you're like, this feels
Speaker 1: like it could be a sexy feeling, but it's my
Speaker 1: mind is telling me this is not a sexy feeling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my mind is telling me thinking mouth raped. Those you
Speaker 1: had that feeling though, have been being aroused and you're like, wait, what,
Speaker 1: I'm at a circus or whatever. The only time I've
Speaker 1: had that was when I first tried viagra. I had
Speaker 1: come back from Thailand and I bought some. I mean,
Speaker 1: this seems like you're making things up high viagra. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, because I didn't have an actual erectile dysfunction.
Speaker 1: I've never had a problem in that regard. But I
Speaker 1: but in Thailand you can get everything. So when you
Speaker 1: can get something, you just get that thing. If you
Speaker 1: don't need it without a prescription, of course, you just
Speaker 1: get it. So I just stucked up on a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of illicit you know, Xanax and Viagram. I don't
Speaker 1: want to label you, but you're selling a drug. Why
Speaker 1: not sell them to your brother's kids? And then you
Speaker 1: got a lot of money. And so I was driving.
Speaker 1: I was living in l A at the time, and
Speaker 1: I was driving along and I thought like, oh, I
Speaker 1: have the is in my glove compop and it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It was on the seat next to me. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: why don't just keep that viagra near or just take
Speaker 1: a viagra and see what happens? Boy, okay, now did
Speaker 1: you were you about to walk into your house like
Speaker 1: I got a meeting? But whatever I was, I was
Speaker 1: coming back from a meeting, and I knew that it
Speaker 1: was going to be at least forty five minutes in traffic.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that sounds like the worst time to
Speaker 1: have an erection that won't go away. Why you done
Speaker 1: an erection in traffic? I wasn't sure it would give
Speaker 1: me a direction. I think we were one of those
Speaker 1: you think you're immune to viagra, But he is the
Speaker 1: interesting thing about silly, It doesn't make it. I think corny.
Speaker 1: It makes you hard. Right, No, No, I found the
Speaker 1: reverse to be true in my case. A lot of
Speaker 1: people morning with Olympic traffic. That's the worst forty five
Speaker 1: minutes of my life. Here's the thing. It was really interesting.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people I had always thought
Speaker 1: that it just means that you have a rod in
Speaker 1: your pants, right, but you don't. But it doesn't affect
Speaker 1: you in terms of the way what you're thinking about.
Speaker 1: What I found was I would be like stopped in
Speaker 1: traffic and someone would walk by, and I'd be like
Speaker 1: aroused by them or just aroused by random things. So
Speaker 1: it's like there's this weird feedback loop between your dick
Speaker 1: and your head where if your dick starts getting excited,
Speaker 1: then your head looks for things to get excited about
Speaker 1: in a strange way. So it actually is sort of conceptual.
Speaker 1: It's like it's it didn't feel like I had just
Speaker 1: an erection that was disconnected from my mental ticketing viagral
Speaker 1: like it's acid over here, and I was like viagrama
Speaker 1: a new plane, this tree. After I fun this, go, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're you getting aroused by like objects like inanimate objects
Speaker 1: and animals are only humans, but just humans that you
Speaker 1: didn't think that you would normally be aroused. It was
Speaker 1: mostly goats all right, answer to the fucking question. I
Speaker 1: don't remember. I just remember a hut and state of
Speaker 1: arousal where I was, where I was just generally horny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but when I walked by horny, why by a police precinct,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I get a horny and then sometimes when
Speaker 1: i'm a nature I get really horny. But were you
Speaker 1: talking about that? We're talking about getting turned on when
Speaker 1: someone like brushes up against you in the subway. She
Speaker 1: she was mentioning, like, sometimes someone will sit next to
Speaker 1: you and it touches you, and you're like, I'm not
Speaker 1: attracted to this person, but why why am I? I
Speaker 1: don't mean accidentally touching. I mean like when someone's like
Speaker 1: straight up like doing something weird and gropy, and then
Speaker 1: you know it's gross and you want to and you're
Speaker 1: elbowing them with your your physical movement of your arm.
Speaker 1: Vagina is kind of tinkling, and you're like, but I
Speaker 1: don't like this and I don't want this, but your
Speaker 1: vagina is telling you something else. It's very confused. It's like, girl,
Speaker 1: work with me, please. We have hard enough as it is.
Speaker 1: I don't have that bigcause girls aren't as rapey as
Speaker 1: boys raped. Right, you've never been raped? Good for you,
Speaker 1: Thank you? Have you guys? Uh, No, I haven't, but
Speaker 1: a lot of people have. I like how lightheartedly you ask. Well.
Speaker 1: One time I was with a group of my girlfriends
Speaker 1: and call at the end of college, and we went
Speaker 1: around and be like, has anybody any ever gotten raped?
Speaker 1: And one of them, one of us, had had gotten raped.
Speaker 1: But it was very casual, and it was so sad
Speaker 1: that we had that casual tone of bistically there were
Speaker 1: six of us. One of them, yeah, yeah, have you
Speaker 1: ever been sexually assaulted? No? I haven't. I've been lacking
Speaker 1: in that regard. But isn't it better to sort of
Speaker 1: have a lot hotted? I mean, I guess to diminish
Speaker 1: this because for all women, but a you're a man pig.
Speaker 1: So no, I mean sometimes quite and I'll be joking,
Speaker 1: and it's so funny to be to be lighthearted about
Speaker 1: a very serious thing like That's how I handle anything,
Speaker 1: That's how we deal with life. So I do think
Speaker 1: it's helpful, and I think we've had it. We had
Speaker 1: a comedian when he's darling on who was raped, and
Speaker 1: she talked about it, but she was making jokes along
Speaker 1: the way. Because that's how she deals with stuff. And
Speaker 1: then people were writing us in going oh my god,
Speaker 1: thank you for having or like I can now tell
Speaker 1: people I was like they were raped and they never
Speaker 1: told anybody to hear her joke about it. It is benefit.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are some things that you have to
Speaker 1: be like within I can't. I wouldn't as a man
Speaker 1: be going around joking with women about rape. It's not
Speaker 1: going to be taken. Yeah, and we can't tell that
Speaker 1: we took me because the straightest rapist person. I only
Speaker 1: find things like I think Auschwitz is hilarious. I mean,
Speaker 1: doesn't love killing Jew? Yeah, but you're you're a Jew,
Speaker 1: so you can like it's like, you know you can
Speaker 1: do that. Oh. I think it's very funny though, to
Speaker 1: make fun of dark things, even if you weren't a Jew.
Speaker 1: I think that's funny. I actually think it's also healthy.
Speaker 1: I think it is too. But a lot of people
Speaker 1: will do I need to be a Jew to make
Speaker 1: fun of aush fits? And do I need to be
Speaker 1: a girl to make fun of right? I know? I
Speaker 1: mean I'm not asking do I need to in the world.
Speaker 1: It's real smart. If you're going like I feel like
Speaker 1: we can do it a little bit more like lase. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I've heard when I hear male comedians talk about
Speaker 1: sexual assault on stage or in real life or on
Speaker 1: this podcast as they have before, and it's in a
Speaker 1: joking way, something in my heart like my stomach just
Speaker 1: because like, are you Neil Brennan, he could probably write
Speaker 1: a great joke about it. Yea. You know, there's some
Speaker 1: people that I would trust that you know, you feel
Speaker 1: like when they present something, they've really done the research
Speaker 1: and they've really like, I don't know, interviewed, right, I
Speaker 1: interviewed some rape victims to write this joke, okay, right?
Speaker 1: Or taking that into consideration. I'm not saying, like, protect
Speaker 1: everyone's sensitivity, because I don't think that should be the case.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, when I do hear a
Speaker 1: male comic going, well, so probably like eighty of you
Speaker 1: guys have been sexually assalted, right, I'm like, that's not
Speaker 1: that wasn't it's not crowd word. But what I'm wondering,
Speaker 1: is is it What I think you're probably getting is
Speaker 1: the fact that that person is completely out of touch
Speaker 1: with the severity of the problem they're talking about. That's
Speaker 1: exactly not necessarily the fact that they have a dick
Speaker 1: instead of a vagina, but a woman. In other words,
Speaker 1: I would love a world in which the particular identity
Speaker 1: that I carry around as a bag around my myself,
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm gay if you want to call
Speaker 1: me that, the fact that I'm a Jew if you
Speaker 1: want to call me that, the fact that I'm Australian,
Speaker 1: a white or a male, whatever it would be. You
Speaker 1: might not be Australian now. Is that that's such a label?
Speaker 1: Is that? You know what I mean? He wouldn't it
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be great if if if the content of
Speaker 1: what we're saying were judged objectively, regardless of who was
Speaker 1: saying it. Oh? Absolutely, yeah, I know. Well a woman
Speaker 1: can definitely make it tasteless rape here or why or
Speaker 1: a comment that is completely off base about right. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying we're a little more lenient. This is
Speaker 1: why it feels weird. This is why it feels weird
Speaker 1: what a male man jokes about, uh, sexual salt and
Speaker 1: rape and stuff. Why it gives me a little ping.
Speaker 1: I think a woman, the way a women live, women
Speaker 1: live their lives is so drastically different. Like a woman
Speaker 1: will leave her house and like think of things that
Speaker 1: a man will never even think of, like ship, the
Speaker 1: skirt's kind of short. Am I gonna I gotta walk home?
Speaker 1: Can I afford a captain? I'm gonna get weird looks?
Speaker 1: And like the danger aspect of it sounds silly, but
Speaker 1: it's it's true. We have it casually in the back
Speaker 1: of our heads at all times, and so like the
Speaker 1: way our lives are lived are so different that that
Speaker 1: part of me is like, you have no idea, bro,
Speaker 1: You're trying to relate to this thing that you have
Speaker 1: no fucking clue. And I'm completely open to making fun
Speaker 1: of that fact, like making fun of women being concerned
Speaker 1: about their safety, but hearing it come from a man
Speaker 1: just feels wrong, the same as white people talking about
Speaker 1: black people. It's like we haven't lived that life's like.
Speaker 1: But I mean, like there are some people who have
Speaker 1: more experience within the black community. You know, we're again
Speaker 1: Neil Brennan fits into this, so he does. Just ask
Speaker 1: Brennan come on the damn show. He's already been on,
Speaker 1: always been on. He's the best. But yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: great example. A bunch of white people like fucking on
Speaker 1: Fox News sitting around talking about black issues, like what
Speaker 1: the funk do you know about black issues? And then
Speaker 1: as a white person, I feel that I'm like, shut
Speaker 1: the funk up. None of these people engaging in this
Speaker 1: conversation all African American. Stop. So there's so it strikes
Speaker 1: me that there's like an eye opening opportunity for people
Speaker 1: who don't belong to particular identity groups to understand what
Speaker 1: the other people are going through. And there's a kind
Speaker 1: of empathic leap that we need to take and and
Speaker 1: a lesson to be learned, Like think, think about what's
Speaker 1: happened to white people's perspective on what it means to
Speaker 1: be black in America in the past two years since Ferguson,
Speaker 1: Like it's fucking eye opening. And you know what the
Speaker 1: most eye opening part about that is people like hip
Speaker 1: hop artists have been rapping about this since forever, and
Speaker 1: we're finally listening because now the news is covering all
Speaker 1: of these brutal police shooting because we have Spotify now,
Speaker 1: we just didn't turn to those radiostations. That's true though,
Speaker 1: that too, But if you look at it, like the
Speaker 1: the I'm just being difficult Spotify to book and nas
Speaker 1: have been talking about this ship and people well before
Speaker 1: them but have been You go back to a non
Speaker 1: song and you're like, oh, he might as well have
Speaker 1: just written this. That's the eye opening part because white
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, looks like yes, where are not
Speaker 1: very nice to the black community and police brutality and
Speaker 1: like this has been going on for a used to
Speaker 1: not it wasn't trendy before to care about that, and
Speaker 1: now it's trendy, so everyone's like, oh, I guess don't
Speaker 1: care about black people. But that's a different one. Made
Speaker 1: a T shirt about it. But but I do hate
Speaker 1: a lot of white people from living in Harlem. So
Speaker 1: I think I think you're putting your finger though on
Speaker 1: something that's important, which is is your support of the
Speaker 1: of minority rights token or is it actually empathy? So
Speaker 1: like it is super fashionable right now to be like
Speaker 1: hushtag black lives murder. Like as a man, I am
Speaker 1: just such a feminist, Like I just really believe in
Speaker 1: women's rights, and then you go and do nothing about
Speaker 1: it and you don't give a shit about women's social
Speaker 1: media past and that we were talking about. I mean,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be wonderful if we lived in an environment
Speaker 1: in which it was possible for me to go fuck.
Speaker 1: I guess I was racist in a way that I
Speaker 1: didn't realize I was two or three years ago. And
Speaker 1: I now see that because I now see the daily
Speaker 1: indignities that African Americans in America, I have to face
Speaker 1: that I was not aware of Dido being a woman. Yes,
Speaker 1: I now realized that there are there are daily ways
Speaker 1: in which women have to avoid being fucking assaulted, but
Speaker 1: I don't have to deal with and so that's a
Speaker 1: kind of a consciousness raising thing. What I hope, though,
Speaker 1: is that it's possible to have dialogues about this sort
Speaker 1: of stuff wherein my status as a privileged, white middle
Speaker 1: class mail well, now that you're you're less privileged, but
Speaker 1: that that doesn't disqualify me from having opinions about this stuff,
Speaker 1: because I constantly find myself being disqualified. Just the other day,
Speaker 1: I had Yeah, I was talking to an Asian woman
Speaker 1: and she was like, well, I wouldn't expect you, as
Speaker 1: a white man to understand. Excuse me, bitch. I didn't
Speaker 1: say bitch, excuse me. I didn't you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: lose I didn't lose us. The I didn't lose that
Speaker 1: I didn't aggregate the right to have an intellectual opinion
Speaker 1: about things by being born Yeah, white man, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Just sort of total reverse races. And also exactly it's
Speaker 1: exactly what it is. You can't treat the people that
Speaker 1: are treating you poorly poorly that it's not going to
Speaker 1: solve anything. You can't just everyone's gonna shame each other.
Speaker 1: We talked about that with John, like, it's just a
Speaker 1: shame off. Now, I shouldn't be to the guy who
Speaker 1: makes a joke about sexual assault among women. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to shame him. That's not what's going to help
Speaker 1: solve the problem. That helps. What it's going to help
Speaker 1: solve the problem is to somehow And this is the
Speaker 1: tricky part. Give him, like make him have empathy for
Speaker 1: the world in which you know he doesn't get to see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, coming back to the question about sexuality, because
Speaker 1: I think that's interesting. Do you have you guys had
Speaker 1: same sex experiences? Yes? And not really? How did you
Speaker 1: contextualize that? I had a three way a couple of
Speaker 1: months ago with my boyfriend, well like a month ago
Speaker 1: or some thing with another woman, and it was our
Speaker 1: second three way and I actually I ate her out
Speaker 1: and I met out with her and she we did
Speaker 1: we had sex. Uh. It made me feel closer to women.
Speaker 1: I really liked it. It It was cool. I like, like
Speaker 1: we're on thrender and stuff, and sometimes we'll come across
Speaker 1: a couple that's just older. I'm like, I want to
Speaker 1: know what they fuck, like, I want to meet up
Speaker 1: with them and if we connect, let's have sex. It's
Speaker 1: not even because I'm necessarily my vagina is wet thinking
Speaker 1: about it, but I just want to know. I want
Speaker 1: to explore and when they get to know people sexually
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't have given them the time of day
Speaker 1: when I was more ignorant. And does that does that
Speaker 1: impact how you think about your sexuality or does it
Speaker 1: not change it? It does impact it because it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean I could and I talked about this a lot,
Speaker 1: Like in college. There was a lot of people in
Speaker 1: like my college classes that I couldn't tell if they
Speaker 1: were a man or a woman. But I didn't care.
Speaker 1: I wanted to, Like I was very attracted to them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter even drawn is just looking person. I
Speaker 1: don't care if you're a guy or a girl. I
Speaker 1: kind of want to fuck you, like, let's go out
Speaker 1: on a date. Just that was kind of the beginning
Speaker 1: of like, oh, there's more of a fluidity to this
Speaker 1: to me personally. Then I gave myself credit for it.
Speaker 1: I also retract that I forgot I let a woman
Speaker 1: finger me at a sex club. You did and nail
Speaker 1: and I did not like it, but it didn't bother me.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I think. I think women are a
Speaker 1: lot more open because just because it's it doesn't feel so.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Women are just nice and gentle and
Speaker 1: like it doesn't feel like it felt like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: felt fine, Like it didn't bother me. I wouldn't if
Speaker 1: it happened again and be like okay, I wouldn't like
Speaker 1: sit at home thinking about it. It didn't get me off,
Speaker 1: but it was also like not. So I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of straight men feel the touch of another
Speaker 1: man would be like jarring, and they actually have like
Speaker 1: a physical like and there's years and years of people
Speaker 1: going to a fagot in their head that's causing them
Speaker 1: to think that. I think, well, it's interesting, isn't that
Speaker 1: you say that like the touch of another man would
Speaker 1: put them off, because when you think about what dudes
Speaker 1: actually do, what straight dudes do. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: serge hugging. There's a lot of like, I mean, the
Speaker 1: way that I fell in love with the first guy
Speaker 1: who ever fell in love with was like his girlfriend
Speaker 1: had broken up with him. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: like crying, and there was a lot of hugging. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of hanging out together. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, I think that's because you're gay, but no,
Speaker 1: he no, but he's not. He's not. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: So like, you know, wait, so you felt so it
Speaker 1: was a one sided fall in love. No, it was,
Speaker 1: I mean, in my opinion, it was a two sided
Speaker 1: fall in love. But it was opened up such a
Speaker 1: and you couldn't admit that her. So all right, that's
Speaker 1: a whole different thing. There are things like, you know,
Speaker 1: you could you could hug each other, and you could
Speaker 1: like be sniveling and crying on each other's shoulders. But
Speaker 1: if you were then sitting next to each other watching
Speaker 1: twenty four and one of you put your hand on
Speaker 1: the other one's knee, then that would be unacceptable. But
Speaker 1: you could actually kiss each other on the neck if
Speaker 1: you were like high on ecstasy at a club and
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be gay, or you could do like there's
Speaker 1: a whole there are these weird parameters about what identity means.
Speaker 1: There are things that you can do and things that
Speaker 1: you can't do, and these are arbitrary sort of distinctions
Speaker 1: that we've created for ourselves. Guys in fucking soccer clubs
Speaker 1: and rugby clubs in Australia, they will come. They will
Speaker 1: have mutual jerk offs, and they'll come all over, Like
Speaker 1: as long as they're coming on a woman's face, as
Speaker 1: long as there's a woman vaguely in the room, like
Speaker 1: they can rationalize cut it's a card cut out of
Speaker 1: a one, I know it. Like, as long as you
Speaker 1: can rationalize some kind of heterosexual context, then then you know,
Speaker 1: in the in prisons and in the military and in
Speaker 1: in dorm rooms and universities, there is massive, massive, massive quantities.
Speaker 1: In military is a little bit different because those people
Speaker 1: are truly secluded a lot of the times from the other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but all I'm saying is that they are praying on
Speaker 1: the same kind of homoerotic vibes that exist that underlie
Speaker 1: Them's a little bit of a difference here with like
Speaker 1: you with Australian culture versus American culture, because I Americans.
Speaker 1: My friends are doing drugs and kissing each other on
Speaker 1: the neck my quote straight man. Although I will say, uh, crant,
Speaker 1: have you ever had a girlfriend who and I've had this.
Speaker 1: I've met women like this. They're just they put up
Speaker 1: that like when you first fell in love with that guy,
Speaker 1: there were some walls that came down and you were
Speaker 1: cugging him and whole caressing him and stuff. But you
Speaker 1: ever had that friend that girlfriend is just very comfortable
Speaker 1: with touch and she'll like touch you, like rub your
Speaker 1: back or something, and it's not she's not trying to
Speaker 1: hit on you. I've had a lot of I've had
Speaker 1: I've met a lot of women like that who are
Speaker 1: just that's what their comfort level is. And it kind
Speaker 1: of made me go, oh, ship, am I gonna suck
Speaker 1: this chick? Like? But then I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: And what you were saying struck such a core with
Speaker 1: me because I'm like, I do put up barriers around
Speaker 1: people because I'm like, we are not romantic together, regardless
Speaker 1: of me being in a relationship or not. Uh, you're
Speaker 1: a girl, we are not romantic. We will sit on
Speaker 1: the couch like this, Like I won't lean on, so
Speaker 1: I won't pull my head on her shoulder because to me,
Speaker 1: that's an act of like that's sexual. But that's so
Speaker 1: funny because I stop myself from doing that. But it's
Speaker 1: like just I think I'm more open to that than
Speaker 1: any one of my female friends is open to that,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, no, no, honestly, no one's ever done that.
Speaker 1: I mean, but I also am very like not the
Speaker 1: kind of person that you would really attempt to do that, right,
Speaker 1: because like when when we did photo shoots, we did
Speaker 1: a photo shoot and we were like we wanted to
Speaker 1: be like almost we modeled it off of Mary Kay
Speaker 1: and Nashley, like they're a little incestuous photo shoot and
Speaker 1: we were cutting, were like caressing. It was gray lush Um.
Speaker 1: We were caressing and stuff. But it felt I'm like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: because people always tell us thank you. People people always
Speaker 1: like we always have a joke because in photo shoots,
Speaker 1: everyone's like stand closer, but I don't like your friends,
Speaker 1: but it's not, We're just standing at a normal human distance.
Speaker 1: And like it didn't and I mean the photos were great,
Speaker 1: and I think it did feed off because we were
Speaker 1: actually like touching, and so it looked like more like
Speaker 1: we were a unit because we're like, we're going to
Speaker 1: shoot this photo series where we we portray in the
Speaker 1: picture how people kind of think of us as this unit.
Speaker 1: And it worked. It was great. We're like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was great. But it felt didn't you feel
Speaker 1: a little something I don't know, like, no, it felt nice.
Speaker 1: It felt like, you know, it felt nice. Well, it
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily feel sexual. I like touching people a lot,
Speaker 1: like I'm a very I was nervous that you would
Speaker 1: hate that I was touching you so much. No, my
Speaker 1: boyfriend actually to come me there and he's like, you're
Speaker 1: so affectionate. And also my good friend like Costcarelli, He's like,
Speaker 1: you're so affectionate, and I think that would be something
Speaker 1: that people would think is like not not true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's almost like sometimes I'm like living it's more
Speaker 1: than like my gender identity. It's like who people think
Speaker 1: of me, Krin Fisher as personality aggressive and you know, yes,
Speaker 1: stand off fish and I am totally those things that
Speaker 1: because I I hate most of you though right, it's
Speaker 1: not because of her. Yeah, I mean even like when
Speaker 1: people come up to me who listen to the podcast,
Speaker 1: I can see like very willing to give Christina a hug,
Speaker 1: scared that I might hit them, and I promise you
Speaker 1: I will. I've never actually hit another human being, right like,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. I just love the idea of like,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be great if sixteen year old college jock
Speaker 1: could conceivably jerk off his best friend without opening up
Speaker 1: a whole Pandora's box of identity issues because that is
Speaker 1: explicitly sexual. What's the point, Well, because you're just jerking off,
Speaker 1: I mean like I feel like with a friend in
Speaker 1: the room, I feel like I have when I was younger.
Speaker 1: At the moment that requires you to reevaluate what kind
Speaker 1: of human being you are, because there are two types
Speaker 1: of human being. There are gay people and there are
Speaker 1: straight people, and there's something in the middle which people
Speaker 1: funk around with. I'm byan thanctually, I'm trance, genuin or
Speaker 1: whatever that those are on the fringe. But most of
Speaker 1: the way way for the emails about that, the way
Speaker 1: that the way that most people think about sexuality is
Speaker 1: that there the population is straight, ten percent is gay.
Speaker 1: And that is the way that we are hard wired.
Speaker 1: It's just like being you know, and now I get
Speaker 1: way you hate labels because that is what they do
Speaker 1: to us. Yeah, there's like you're not helpful. It's not helpful.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be? We wouldn't it be? I honestly. But
Speaker 1: then in the twenty thirties, maybe fifties, it'll be possible
Speaker 1: for the star of the football team to be dating
Speaker 1: a guy and then six months later he's dating a girl,
Speaker 1: and then he's dating a guy again without opening up
Speaker 1: a massive question on campus or in high school about
Speaker 1: like wait, what are you? What are you? What? How you? Then?
Speaker 1: What are your what do you think that? What are you?
Speaker 1: Also come from? We don't know who. Having this dude
Speaker 1: in my bed and now having this someone like you
Speaker 1: is so comfortable being like whatever the I don't care
Speaker 1: what I am, I am when I am. It threatens
Speaker 1: other people who are not secure enough. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: little themselves, That's what it is. It's that same jealousy
Speaker 1: that we feel like when we call someone else a slut.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of that same jealousy, like we're
Speaker 1: calling someone a slut because they're so open in their
Speaker 1: sexuality and they're so freely expressing themselves and confident in that.
Speaker 1: It's that same thing, like we're so concerned with what
Speaker 1: people are because we don't have the like openness in
Speaker 1: our own lives to live how we want. Right, But
Speaker 1: isn't that a cause. Isn't that caused by the fact
Speaker 1: that we are indoctrinating one another about gayness versus straighteness?
Speaker 1: In some ways, I'm actually really critical of the gay
Speaker 1: sort of lobby, you know, on a call of that,
Speaker 1: because from long, gay people always shitt me angry emails
Speaker 1: when I say that. But like the the ra ra ra,
Speaker 1: we are here, we are queer. We're going to go
Speaker 1: marching down Fifth Avenue with our pom poms and we're
Speaker 1: gonna put it in your face and this is gay
Speaker 1: and like we're just born this way. That sort of
Speaker 1: feeds into the religious right vision of the world, which
Speaker 1: is there are gay people, there are straight people. This
Speaker 1: is an identity. If you touch a dick and you're
Speaker 1: a guy, automatically that means that you have to start
Speaker 1: thinking about what that means for your identity, for the afterlife,
Speaker 1: for the creator of the universe. All of this sort
Speaker 1: of people have also created a gay culture, which is
Speaker 1: so much more than just where you're sick in your deck.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a whole culture for me, for you,
Speaker 1: not for everyone though, Yeah there are some people, but
Speaker 1: I know there's people who have very who have really
Speaker 1: really grown and evolved because of the help and support
Speaker 1: a gay community. Yeah, I get what you're saying about.
Speaker 1: Like or we had our friend Ryan Duff on the
Speaker 1: podcast who hates the gay Pride Parade because it insinuates
Speaker 1: that stereotype of exactly where you're saying. But then, I mean,
Speaker 1: krit and I've marched in the gay Pride Parade a
Speaker 1: couple of times. And with our other friend who's been
Speaker 1: on the podcast, Grant, who's not it's for the Marriage Equality,
Speaker 1: a non for profit organization. Like it wasn't like a
Speaker 1: rob here I am Brittey spears. It wasn't like that
Speaker 1: at all. It was just like, hey, we should be equal. Cool,
Speaker 1: you know, So it was it's there's so many in that,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. Look, gain us was something that
Speaker 1: was necessary because it was imposed upon us in the
Speaker 1: late nineteenth century and especially there's a fantastic book called
Speaker 1: The End of Gay and the Death of heterosty usuality
Speaker 1: by Canadian cultural theorists called bert. I'd love to do
Speaker 1: a shout out and you should read it if you
Speaker 1: can get up bert. He basically makes the point that
Speaker 1: it was during the during World Wars when gainnus became
Speaker 1: really relevant, because it became one of the criteria again
Speaker 1: by which people were excluded from the military, and so
Speaker 1: it became this pathology. And then it when it was
Speaker 1: only really between sort of the eighteen nineties and the
Speaker 1: nineteen forties that the idea of there being such a
Speaker 1: thing as the homosexual came into vogue. Prior to that,
Speaker 1: there were just people doing sex acts. There wasn't there
Speaker 1: wasn't a difference between gay people and straight people. And
Speaker 1: to its credit, the gay community embraced that in the
Speaker 1: sixties and we had Stone Wall, and I think that
Speaker 1: was absolutely necessary, and I all kudos to all of
Speaker 1: my gay forefathers for having spent the last half century
Speaker 1: fighting for rights, and in many parts of this country,
Speaker 1: I think that's still necessary, and to get gay marriage
Speaker 1: that's necessary in my own country. But I do feel
Speaker 1: like culturally in many parts of the world now of
Speaker 1: the rich, developed, Western progressive world, that horse has kind
Speaker 1: of bolted and we don't really need it anymore. It
Speaker 1: was it was it was fighting at the barricades for
Speaker 1: an idea that was set up in opposition to its
Speaker 1: own oppression. What do you think we need now? Who
Speaker 1: gives a funk? Attitude? Yeah? Or accept Well, I just
Speaker 1: overall acceptance. I think I think who gives a funk
Speaker 1: is dangerous because people interpret that in the wrong way,
Speaker 1: like you should. Well, we've said the funk on our
Speaker 1: podcast before, and then people have written us like I
Speaker 1: got drunk people on one mine and fun like No,
Speaker 1: I just mean, I just mean if you're if you're,
Speaker 1: if you're If your daughter comes home and she's fifteen
Speaker 1: and she tells you that she just slept with a girl,
Speaker 1: you don't have a long, laborious, complicated conversation about what
Speaker 1: that means about her identity and the politics and the
Speaker 1: fashion and who she going to vote for? Does that
Speaker 1: mean that she has to like maybe she just wanted
Speaker 1: a little bit of pussy in her face? Is so wrong?
Speaker 1: And the coolest part, why are you thinking? Because I
Speaker 1: was born fifteen years ago? But yeah, and the coolest
Speaker 1: thing about people's were so different from each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the differences are also what we used against each other.
Speaker 1: It's so stupid, Like I celebrate and accept everybody's individuality
Speaker 1: because we are fucking snowflakes in that we are the
Speaker 1: only people, human beings that have the exact same traits,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There there is some individuality
Speaker 1: to it, and I love that you go by the
Speaker 1: no label rule because like, who fucking cares? Yeah? Do
Speaker 1: you get turned on by women? Yeah? Do you when
Speaker 1: you jerk off when your husband isn't around. Do you
Speaker 1: watch porn? Yeah? I really watch girls on porn because
Speaker 1: I find that female porn is so degrading and just
Speaker 1: just horribly misogynistic. Like it's hard to find porn that
Speaker 1: involves women that doesn't involve like dudes with big dicks
Speaker 1: coming all over their face, so like slapping them on
Speaker 1: the ass or something. I think, And it's like sometimes yeah,
Speaker 1: like women like that from time to time, but when
Speaker 1: it's every yeah, So I mean, I like, I think
Speaker 1: the physiology of women is beautiful. I like boobs. I
Speaker 1: think boobs. I think the jina is clearly just designed
Speaker 1: to make a penis happy, So there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: that design, right, I'm not smiles even smiles. I'm not
Speaker 1: crazy about burying my face in it. I never liked
Speaker 1: that aspect of sex straight straight I was a classic game.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know guys who were like,
Speaker 1: but I don't like eating out an asshole either, like
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's not it's not it's not
Speaker 1: a gay or straight. Well, it's just like just dirty.
Speaker 1: And girls don't like sucking penises, but they identified straight.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say most girls, like a lot
Speaker 1: of girls don't like sucking penna. Go out and a
Speaker 1: legend say I don't like sucking penis, and I stand
Speaker 1: with you. Good for you, good for you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't want to get
Speaker 1: to details about exactly what aspect of the female anatomy
Speaker 1: I like and don't like. Wright So tell me what
Speaker 1: you go on me? Is it a fun thing? I
Speaker 1: hope it's a What kind of fetishes do you have?
Speaker 1: Boring too? You're not boring. You're only boring if you
Speaker 1: say you are nipples ears, but everyone has Yeah, but
Speaker 1: girl nipples are different. Your nipples are different. You have
Speaker 1: very nipples like pink bunny nose because the coloring very
Speaker 1: it's very light. Yeah, when when do I actually have
Speaker 1: sex with a person, does it require penetration because I'm
Speaker 1: I had a discussion about this earlier this week with
Speaker 1: some gay friends of mine who was saying that unless
Speaker 1: there's actual anal penetration, then it's not sex. I I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I had sex with a girl and I
Speaker 1: didn't penetrate her exactly. Later out, well, it's just oral sex.
Speaker 1: Then you just you just put oral in front of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the word sex is still in the name, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think they're different only because
Speaker 1: I just think the actual like penis vagina or but penis.
Speaker 1: But I don't know what we're doing. But that's just
Speaker 1: a little more little them up. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just feel like more intimate connection through that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's a different level of sex, definite less uh less raunchy. Maybe,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It can be runch like oral. I
Speaker 1: guess oral sex can be romantic. I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: never can be. I haven't addict in my mouth, just
Speaker 1: never really felt romantic. I well, I have had oral
Speaker 1: sex that felt felt romantic on my end. Like people
Speaker 1: if you when you when you have that dick in
Speaker 1: your mouth, if if that dick comes and if you
Speaker 1: also come, then is that not an experience cumulatively that
Speaker 1: is sex? Yeah? No, no, no, I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: not sex, but just it's not it's not the same level. Well,
Speaker 1: I actually looked at the definition of sex, because when
Speaker 1: you talked about that in your email, like do we
Speaker 1: define our sexuality by who we're attracted to, who we
Speaker 1: fall in love with, who we are currently sleeping with?
Speaker 1: I think you define out where the funk you want.
Speaker 1: But I looked up, like, what's the definition of sex,
Speaker 1: like the act, and it just like engaging in sexual
Speaker 1: activity specifically intercourse. But it didn't say just intercourse. It
Speaker 1: didn't say intercourse. So I think people are can be,
Speaker 1: I mean free to define it. I think people are
Speaker 1: getting off then that's because I mean put this back
Speaker 1: to my life and like gain us right. So I
Speaker 1: had a bunch of experiences with guys when I in
Speaker 1: my teens in my early twenties, but like the whole
Speaker 1: like butt thing was not something that I was particularly
Speaker 1: interested in, particularly understood. It was just like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: a hot guy and he likes me as well, Great,
Speaker 1: let's just fool around those experiences with sexual experiences, and
Speaker 1: to discount them as being non sexual simply because they
Speaker 1: didn't involve penetration seems to be a little bit misguided. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if someone saying didn't have an that's dumb.
Speaker 1: That this is like when Britney Spears was pretending when
Speaker 1: she was a virgin and she only have had like
Speaker 1: butt sex with Justin Timberlake here. Oh my god. This
Speaker 1: is also a real big issue because a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of girls are getting it up the butt
Speaker 1: because Jesus doesn't want him to take it into the
Speaker 1: j J. So they think, me, Jesus would rather have
Speaker 1: you taken up the puss because Jesus didn't make you.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking for Jesus. Jesus me worrying about your butt hole.
Speaker 1: Jesus was like, girl, do put in the pus. The
Speaker 1: creator of the universe doesn't want you to put it
Speaker 1: in your person, wants you to take it started for
Speaker 1: girls who started with what sex? HOWE me too. And
Speaker 1: that's why it is like record rights of Gono Rhea
Speaker 1: and clam media and all this stuff in the in
Speaker 1: the American South. Why are you guys so fucked up?
Speaker 1: When it comes, I think, well, because our parents I
Speaker 1: want to talk to us about it, and then sometimes
Speaker 1: they do. But then the public education there's no mandate
Speaker 1: on sexual education in public school stuff is a label
Speaker 1: and I would rather you know, like that. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: really fucking road. But anyway, school, a public school can
Speaker 1: teach absent it's only education. They can also teach. And
Speaker 1: also that John Oliver did the did a segment on
Speaker 1: this last week tonight, which is a great fucking show.
Speaker 1: There's doesn't there's not even a mandate that public education.
Speaker 1: Sex education in public schools has to be accurate. It
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be accurate. I mean in a certain
Speaker 1: number of states, in twenty three states. And and if
Speaker 1: you think about it, they don't talk about the female
Speaker 1: orgasm in in sex head. I mean, anybody I've ever
Speaker 1: talked to you never talks about the female orgaism because
Speaker 1: that's not what helps make the baby happen. Now, it's
Speaker 1: so weird, like in the eighties in Australia. Yeah, Australia
Speaker 1: is this weird combination of backwardness and very very progressiveness.
Speaker 1: It was the second country in the world to give
Speaker 1: women the vote after New Zealand. It's been very progressive
Speaker 1: on gay rights, with the exception with weird. But you know,
Speaker 1: the biggest game in lesbian festival in the world is
Speaker 1: the Mardi Gras in Sydney, which takes place every year
Speaker 1: and so interesting and so it's this weird kind of hybrid.
Speaker 1: In the eighties when AIDS broke out, we had the
Speaker 1: most massive public education campaign, which the United Nations has
Speaker 1: pointed to as the precisely correct way to respond to
Speaker 1: an epidemic, which was there were videos, there were ads
Speaker 1: in primetime that I remember seeing when I was a
Speaker 1: little kid of the Grim Reaper at a bowling alley.
Speaker 1: The Grim Reaper pools a ball out of the bowling alley,
Speaker 1: you know that that little thing, he bulls it down.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you call that. Yeah, do you bowl?
Speaker 1: You don't, really, don't. I tell you about the bowling.
Speaker 1: I don't like labels, like knowing about bowling, like I'm
Speaker 1: not labels and knowing about bowling. Stop, So does he
Speaker 1: get a strike or not? You see the bowling bowl
Speaker 1: smash into women, children and all these families who are
Speaker 1: at the end, they are the pins are just human
Speaker 1: beings and it smashes them apart and like their limbs
Speaker 1: fly off and there's blood and everything, and then it
Speaker 1: says yeah. And then it literally literally by Christino, it
Speaker 1: literally says, aids is a virus that is coming. Oh,
Speaker 1: it says, always use a condom. Wow, I'll put a
Speaker 1: rubber on after that. Wow. So I always I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't even understand tactics. I can honestly say I
Speaker 1: have never not used a condom in apart from being
Speaker 1: in a monogamous long term relationship. Good for you, that's
Speaker 1: great because I was so brainwashed. No, I'm not looking
Speaker 1: for Okay, we're still we really really took a long
Speaker 1: time for us to get jobs to applaud himself, like
Speaker 1: pulling teeth over. That's how we were making a bed
Speaker 1: before he came over. How long we have to wrap?
Speaker 1: Is there anything you wanna say before we go? Other
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Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to mention promote that
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Speaker 1: to We have a lot of listeners in Australia, a
Speaker 1: lot of listeners. And I love opera, so I would
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