Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you Oz always
Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Over there on the other
Speaker 1: side of the zoom, we've got the one and only
Speaker 1: super producer, Max Williams. Give it up for him. And uh,
Speaker 1: they call me Ben. There's someone else on the zoom,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite people wearing one of my favorite
Speaker 1: t shirts. No, I noticed you noticed my shirt. I
Speaker 1: noticed your shirt. I like your shirt, thanks man. This
Speaker 1: is a Daily Zeitgeist shirt, signed by every member of
Speaker 1: the Daily Zeitgeist crew in blood. Um. It's a little
Speaker 1: below the fold. You can't see that part, but it's
Speaker 1: a very prized possessional and I only wear it, you know,
Speaker 1: as like a sort of podcast totem, you know, just
Speaker 1: to give me that podcast juice, because it really is
Speaker 1: sort of imbued with the spirit of podcasting. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also, I've wondered this before. This has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with today's episode, folks, but I've wondered this before.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a question or fellow Ridiculous Historians can answer.
Speaker 1: So you guys know how it's considered like poor taste.
Speaker 1: You're kind of lame to wear the T shirt of
Speaker 1: a band that you're going to see at their concert.
Speaker 1: Does the same thing happen with podcasts like we I
Speaker 1: have some old, ridiculous history T shirts and I never
Speaker 1: wear them outside because it feels strange for me. That's different, man,
Speaker 1: That's that's the equivalent of you wearing your own band's
Speaker 1: T shirt, which is the most epic of flexus. They
Speaker 1: can only be pulled off by a select few, like say,
Speaker 1: maybe Metallica in the eighties. They could have done that,
Speaker 1: you know, our Mega Death or something like that, or
Speaker 1: one of those death metal bands where you can't even
Speaker 1: read what the script says because it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: angry angry thorns precisely. Uh. And again I would ask Ben,
Speaker 1: who is it that says it's lame to wear a
Speaker 1: band's T shirt? Let's just show solidarity? Or who are
Speaker 1: you are there to be seen? Are you there to
Speaker 1: support your your band? You know? Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like we're in a jersey to a supporting of that.
Speaker 1: No one would shut you down for that. There you go,
Speaker 1: that's an excellent comparison. Max is nodding there, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point. And you know me, man,
Speaker 1: I'd just like to see when people are enthusiastic and happy.
Speaker 1: So if you're if you're wearing something that makes you happy,
Speaker 1: and uh, it doesn't matter if you can pull it off.
Speaker 1: But speaking and pulling stuff off, let's talk about you're
Speaker 1: so good at that. It's just uh, I disagree, but
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Uh No, you and Max and
Speaker 1: I were super into Heist recently and we had we
Speaker 1: had teased another kind of like heist related I would say,
Speaker 1: a good old fashioned prison break in the past episode.
Speaker 1: But we got so excited when we had a chance
Speaker 1: to talk with Alex Williams earlier this week that we
Speaker 1: actually put a pause on our heist on our higst face.
Speaker 1: But my friend, I believe we're back to it today.
Speaker 1: Is that correct? That's right, We're back in high smoke.
Speaker 1: Can I still be the bagman? Ben? I just wanted
Speaker 1: the cost I've always wanted to be a bagman. I
Speaker 1: will have no other bagman in the crew other than you.
Speaker 1: It's the bagman, the guy that carries the money like
Speaker 1: like like a suitcase with a handcuff, Like, well, what's
Speaker 1: what's what's my role? Yeah, it's it depends on the
Speaker 1: nature of our heist, so like, because you always need
Speaker 1: a good bagman. So like, if we were robbing a
Speaker 1: bank and don't do it, by the way, you'd be
Speaker 1: surprised how little money bank robbers actually make. We have
Speaker 1: a brain stuff video about it. It's interesting and depressing.
Speaker 1: But if if we were for some reason robbing a bank,
Speaker 1: then you, as the bagman, would be the person taking
Speaker 1: the money to you know, the getaway driver that we
Speaker 1: probably have, like the muscle. It depends on how we
Speaker 1: want to go with it. And if we were in
Speaker 1: a prison break, you would have probably a bag of tools.
Speaker 1: That's right, And one could argue that a prison break
Speaker 1: is a heist where the stolen goods are in fact
Speaker 1: the heist ees you know, or the crew themselves. They're
Speaker 1: literally absconding with themselves. They're literally stealing their own physical
Speaker 1: bodies from like this conceptual vault that is the prison
Speaker 1: that is helping them and conceptual and literal. So so
Speaker 1: today's episode takes us to Australia. This is a continent
Speaker 1: that we have always wanted to visit, at least Nolan
Speaker 1: I Max. Have you ever have you ever found yourself
Speaker 1: in Australia. I have not found myself in Australia. I
Speaker 1: want to go up, but I'm also like definitely afraid
Speaker 1: of that like country because I mean has some of
Speaker 1: the craziest animals ever, like giant snakes, like no, no,
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Maybe yes, I would love to
Speaker 1: go to Australia, but I'm terrified of that country. Well, also,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't like the aim flight. I think was it
Speaker 1: about something crazy offline of Seattle here in a few
Speaker 1: weeks and it's like five hours? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: That's how long I would be on a plane. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be so worth it. Max, You're gonna love it there,
Speaker 1: You're gonna love it real quick shout out. You're talking
Speaker 1: about the wilds of Australia. Just to shout out to
Speaker 1: my buddy peach Uh and Tom who live in I
Speaker 1: believe South Wales like Queensland area, but like near the
Speaker 1: Great Barrier Reef, like in this gorgeous, idyllic yet terrifying,
Speaker 1: you know rainforest situation. Constantly posting Instagram stories of like
Speaker 1: snakes having sex in their ceiling and knocking down lights
Speaker 1: and them having to replace them and they're always just
Speaker 1: very humanitarian in their treatment of wildlife, even if they're
Speaker 1: totally encroaching on their day to day But you're right, Max,
Speaker 1: some of these animals look like stuff straight out of
Speaker 1: Doctor Seuss books. It's wild, very very wild country. It's
Speaker 1: unique because it had been isolated for such a long
Speaker 1: time from other ecosystems that there were some interesting opportunities
Speaker 1: for evolution. And I like the shout out too, because
Speaker 1: we do have a lot of Australian listeners, so I'd
Speaker 1: also like to shout out Ellie and shout out Patrese uh.
Speaker 1: And if you would like a shout out, let us know.
Speaker 1: We'll tell you how to get in contact with us
Speaker 1: at the end of the show. But first we gotta
Speaker 1: figure out how these how these jail breaks happened. Uh.
Speaker 1: For if you know much about the history of Australia,
Speaker 1: you know that it is a complicated, winding, very old
Speaker 1: story and for a time convicts were shipped from Europe
Speaker 1: to Australia. Our our story starts today with a guy
Speaker 1: named John Devoy. Can you introduce us to John sure Canman.
Speaker 1: John Devoy was an Irish revolutionary who went to prison
Speaker 1: in England and was later exiled to America. UH he
Speaker 1: was a member and senior official in the Irish Republican
Speaker 1: brother Hood also known as the Fenians UM. Born in
Speaker 1: County Killdare in eighteen forty two. UM, he spent a
Speaker 1: lot of his time as a recruiter, finding thousands actually
Speaker 1: of Irish born young men to literally sabotage the British
Speaker 1: army from within, and he was successful with this recruitment process.
Speaker 1: By eighteen sixty six, UH there were an estimated eighty
Speaker 1: thousand Fenian recruits. But then someone dropped the dime, someone
Speaker 1: snitched to the British and Devoi was exposed because the
Speaker 1: Powers that be found out there was a rebellion in
Speaker 1: the works. So when Devoy is caught, he's convicted of treason.
Speaker 1: He's sentenced to fifteen years hard time in a place
Speaker 1: called the Isle of Portland's in England. We also want
Speaker 1: to give a big thanks to the good folks over
Speaker 1: at Smithsonian and our research associate Gabe Gilbert King wrote
Speaker 1: this wonderful article that we're pulling some sources from here.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Devoi is he serves about five years at
Speaker 1: at this location. He's been sentenced to fifteen, and then
Speaker 1: he was exiled to the U S where he became
Speaker 1: a journalist. Doesn't that seem like a little bit lenient
Speaker 1: it feels to me? And if it feels to me
Speaker 1: like literally sabotaging the British army from within with like
Speaker 1: moles and spies and you know, all of that kind
Speaker 1: of subterfuge, you know, the word treason was used That
Speaker 1: usually results in a death sentence, doesn't right, man? Like
Speaker 1: I mean, whenever I read about stories like this, I
Speaker 1: always think I can't get away with a late library book,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And people are out here
Speaker 1: overthrowing governments. I fell asleep trying to put on a
Speaker 1: pair of pants one day. I just it makes me
Speaker 1: think about ambition and whether or not whether or not
Speaker 1: I have enough of it. But this guy, Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: he seems to have gotten off easy, doesn't he m.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't know about if they
Speaker 1: had parole types that rations in these imprisonment scenarios, but
Speaker 1: it sure feels like that's kind of what he got
Speaker 1: because he was out after five years. He was exiled
Speaker 1: to America, But like you said, he was able to
Speaker 1: kind of start a new life and became a journalist
Speaker 1: for the New York Herald and then became active with
Speaker 1: a subset of Fenians. Um there in the U s
Speaker 1: a group called Clan na Gael. Yeah, a legit secret society.
Speaker 1: There's a conspiracy. So he's back with the Finians. He's
Speaker 1: back with the cause. Let's go back to Ireland real quick.
Speaker 1: Because as we said, Devoi wasn't the only Finian. Far
Speaker 1: from it. There was another guy named James Wilson. We
Speaker 1: need to introduce. He was. He joined the Fifth Dragoon,
Speaker 1: the British Army Guards, the Fifth Dragoon Guards in the
Speaker 1: eighteen sixties, and he was secretly also a Fenian. So
Speaker 1: he had a different oath that he took in secret,
Speaker 1: and part of that was that he was going to
Speaker 1: do his utmost to secure democratic, independent republic in Ireland.
Speaker 1: And so eventually, in eighteen sixty five, he and a
Speaker 1: fellow conspirator named Martin Hogan decided to go a wall.
Speaker 1: They desert the army, and they do this after they
Speaker 1: have already kind of turned a bunch of other Irish
Speaker 1: soldiers in the Dragoons and introduced them to the society
Speaker 1: of Fenians. But then again someone snitched and Wilson, like Devoi,
Speaker 1: was arrested. He was court martialed on February tenth, eighteen
Speaker 1: sixty six. Right, but he did get a death sentence,
Speaker 1: at least initially. Uh. And it doesn't seem like what
Speaker 1: the two men did were that far afield from each other.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm a little confused about Devois, you know,
Speaker 1: comparatively lenient sentence. But again, it was commuted to lie
Speaker 1: in prison at a place called Fremantle Prison, which was
Speaker 1: on the continent of Australia, which, as we know, began
Speaker 1: as an English prison colony. Essentially, Yeah, as far as
Speaker 1: the British were concerned, it's it's funny because well not
Speaker 1: funny ha ha, but it's fascinating because if you look
Speaker 1: at the history of Australia in the way it affects
Speaker 1: people in the modern day, it's estimated that almost twenty
Speaker 1: percent of modern Australians are descended in some part from
Speaker 1: people who who were punished with what was called transport.
Speaker 1: Transport was the word they would use, like your your
Speaker 1: sentenced to transportation, So you are shipped off to Australia,
Speaker 1: shipped off down Under. And this might sound like this
Speaker 1: might sound like a really cool thing. You might say,
Speaker 1: oh wow. So instead of instead of killing them, they said,
Speaker 1: on an all expense paid trip to a place you
Speaker 1: know nowadays a lot of people would love to visit.
Speaker 1: This was not the case. So he goes on my ship.
Speaker 1: He travels with other Finian prisoners, Wilson that is, And
Speaker 1: when they get to Australia, there's a Catholic chaplain who says,
Speaker 1: you should you should let these guys continue to work together.
Speaker 1: They should be imprisoned together as a group, the Finians.
Speaker 1: So they're allowed to work together separately from other convicts,
Speaker 1: as long as they were civilians. Wilson was a military deserter,
Speaker 1: so there's an extra level of dislike and repugnance for
Speaker 1: him right well, and also probably scrutiny. You know, someone
Speaker 1: like that has those kind of military chops and maybe
Speaker 1: uh possesses the knowledge to pull a fast one on
Speaker 1: the guards and maybe I don't know, plan some sort
Speaker 1: of elaborate Oceans eleven style prison break Dun Dunn, and
Speaker 1: we're getting to it. Yes. So, so because Wilson is
Speaker 1: a military deserter, the powers that be don't don't like
Speaker 1: that kind of They don't like that kind of vibe,
Speaker 1: so they disperse those dudes just amongst the general population
Speaker 1: there in gen pop, and people like Wilson hate it.
Speaker 1: They're disgusted. Years and years past, it's eighteen sixty nine
Speaker 1: and by this point a little more than half of
Speaker 1: those Fitian convicts get royal pardons, but nine of those
Speaker 1: ex British soldiers get pardons. And that's because the Duke
Speaker 1: of Cambridge. Legend had it, as we're finding this from
Speaker 1: Irish Central dot com, but legend has it that the
Speaker 1: Duke of Cambridge had influenced Prime Minister Gladstone and said,
Speaker 1: you will not you will not go easy on these people.
Speaker 1: None of them can get pardons. What are you are
Speaker 1: you playing, Gladstone? No, I'm the Duke of Cambridge, and
Speaker 1: what I say goes. He doesn't play dukes, don't way.
Speaker 1: Maybe they do. Maybe they play like polo or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know what water polo. Surely I was thinking
Speaker 1: more like traditional Horsey port polo. But maybe you know
Speaker 1: in the summer the mansion. Oh what's that, Max Gsage? Yes,
Speaker 1: I know, we can see my hands. I'm doing that
Speaker 1: clippity kloppin. Yeah, really quick, just to call it another
Speaker 1: awesome source. And if you're into Irish history and and
Speaker 1: maybe even interested in visiting Ireland, highly recommend checking out
Speaker 1: Irish Central dot com. There's an article there by the
Speaker 1: staff that we also pulled some resources on for this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so Wilson is many things, but he's not a dummy,
Speaker 1: far from it. And he realizes Luke, as long as
Speaker 1: people like the Duke of Cambridge or in the mix
Speaker 1: me and the boys are not getting pardons, we are
Speaker 1: either going to serve out the entirety of our tour
Speaker 1: in this prison, or we are going to have to
Speaker 1: go on the lamb. We'll have to make an escape.
Speaker 1: And so he writes a secret letter, reaching out to
Speaker 1: his network for some help. I love a secret letter.
Speaker 1: Do you think it had some sort of like like
Speaker 1: a cryptical hope, so like like a wax seal on
Speaker 1: it of some kind, you know, I mean like a
Speaker 1: code disappearing ink or you have disappearing ink. That was
Speaker 1: what I was to remember that. Well, you can make
Speaker 1: that with what like lemon juice and something else, I think,
Speaker 1: so yeah, Or like maybe you have to fold the
Speaker 1: letter like those old Mad magazine covers. Do you guys
Speaker 1: mad magazine. Oh yeah, so I remember it being very baldy.
Speaker 1: So before we get to this letter, maybe we talk
Speaker 1: just a little bit about the Fremantled Prison. It is
Speaker 1: not a super pleasant place and we know a lot
Speaker 1: about it thanks to a writer named Peter Murphy himself
Speaker 1: Irish Australian who wrote a book called Finny and Fear,
Speaker 1: That's sure. And this is not to be confused with
Speaker 1: the Peter Murphy from the Seminole goth band Bauhouse. Just
Speaker 1: to put that out there in case anyone was wondering,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure very few of you were. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: sixty two Finnians all told, were sent to Western Australia
Speaker 1: and locked up in Fremantle Prison, that, by the way,
Speaker 1: was located in what is today modern day Perth, the
Speaker 1: Perth metro area. And I believe Fremntal Prison it definitely
Speaker 1: stands today, and I believe it is the only World
Speaker 1: Heritage site in all of Australia, which is a massive continent.
Speaker 1: And earlier, just want to say something real quick. Earlier
Speaker 1: I said it's a wild country, referring to the you know,
Speaker 1: the really rural parts of Australia. I know Australia is
Speaker 1: a content I was like being, you know, like Dickenzie
Speaker 1: in about it like it's a wild, wild country. It's
Speaker 1: both a country and a continent. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: pretty and inn Island, Yeah, there is also in island.
Speaker 1: I want it depends on your perspective, right, because it's
Speaker 1: a good question. I I do want to shout out,
Speaker 1: though unrelated to anything except the name, Australia is also
Speaker 1: home to one of my favorite winds, W I and
Speaker 1: D s. It's there's a wind called the Fremantle Doctor.
Speaker 1: Isn't that a cool name? Sometimes the locals apparently just
Speaker 1: call it the Doctor. I love the idea of a
Speaker 1: wind that has a name. So if you, if you
Speaker 1: have experience with, or if you're familiar with any other
Speaker 1: thing like this, like a wind that has a name,
Speaker 1: please tell us you can't wait to hear everything about
Speaker 1: Isn't there a fantasy series of fantasy novels called the
Speaker 1: Name of the Wind. There's something called the Name of
Speaker 1: the Wind? Oh yeah, yeah, the King's Killer Chronicle Day one,
Speaker 1: it's called the Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss
Speaker 1: have not had the pleasure, but I've heard good things awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't read it either, but I love
Speaker 1: a good fantasy series, so check it out. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: what you know we haven't heard good things about is
Speaker 1: the Fremantle Prison. This this place, uh, the construction on
Speaker 1: it began in eighteen fifty two. It wasn't really done
Speaker 1: until eighteen fifty nine, but they were putting people into
Speaker 1: this prison before construction was complete. They were putting people
Speaker 1: in in there as early as eighteen fifty five. And
Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty big place. It's got, of course,
Speaker 1: a lot of perimeter walls, their workshops, there's a hospital,
Speaker 1: there's six houses for the senior officers of the prison.
Speaker 1: And this thing did numbers. It moved volume between eighteen
Speaker 1: fifty and eighteen sixty eight and estimated while almost ten
Speaker 1: thousand convicts passed through the prison. And hey, I I
Speaker 1: have learned something before we went on air, and I
Speaker 1: came to Ben and Max about this, and I was
Speaker 1: real proud of myself. If guys, I learned a new
Speaker 1: word to day, it's gaul it's another word for for prison.
Speaker 1: And then been very kindly pat of me on the
Speaker 1: head virtually and said, I think it's pronounced jail um.
Speaker 1: So I learned a cool alternate spelling for jail today,
Speaker 1: and it's pronounced I only know it because of a
Speaker 1: poem by Oscar Wilde, and I had this embarrassing moment
Speaker 1: where I had to read it out loud in class,
Speaker 1: and then my history teacher decided to you know, pointed
Speaker 1: out publicly. So ostra size you really bad? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they passed around the shards of the pots everything. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It does make me wonder though, with the spelling of
Speaker 1: that g A O L. I believe if there's any
Speaker 1: connection between that and the word goolog, which is you know,
Speaker 1: forced labor camps um that were very uh outfit full
Speaker 1: effect during Stalin's reign. Yeah, that's that's a really good question.
Speaker 1: I would say I wouldn't be surprised, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I haven't looked into it. So listeners, if you know,
Speaker 1: let us know. And it gets its name in eighteen
Speaker 1: sixty seven, that's when it's officially the remantled prison. Uh.
Speaker 1: And at the same like just a year after that,
Speaker 1: they stopped transporting convicts to that prison, So by eighteen
Speaker 1: they are less than fifty convicts in this prison. It's
Speaker 1: a ghost town. It's built a house a thousand people.
Speaker 1: Now they're only fifty anyway. So we're giving you a
Speaker 1: lot of context, but you need it for this heist.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to Devoid Noel. He's in New York City,
Speaker 1: as she said, he's got a new life. He's a
Speaker 1: journalist now and he gets a secret letter from a
Speaker 1: guy in Australia named James Wilson. And it's so cool man,
Speaker 1: that's right, he says, Remember this is a voice from
Speaker 1: the tomb two exactly. Uh. And you know the takeaway
Speaker 1: there was I am a post of Christmas past kind
Speaker 1: of situation, reminding you of your the oath that you made,
Speaker 1: you know, so long ago, speaking to him and kind
Speaker 1: of this esoteric language likely that would have been recognizable
Speaker 1: to him as like kind of this coded talk between
Speaker 1: members of the secret Society. Right, yeah, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: this is a fascinating letter. He is one of seven.
Speaker 1: Wilson is one of seven of the high profile Finians.
Speaker 1: He's one of the seven people convicted a treason, sentenced
Speaker 1: to death and then he got his sentence commuted to
Speaker 1: just a terrible life life of hard labor. Uh. He
Speaker 1: is in a bad situation now because he and his
Speaker 1: compatriots have been building roads, they've been working in a
Speaker 1: limestone quarry. Uh. They've also been physically abused. I think
Speaker 1: it's safe to say, because they got branded like the
Speaker 1: way you are brand cattle with the letter D for deserter.
Speaker 1: And he says to Devoid, you know, we're getting sick.
Speaker 1: We're not going to live much longer. We need help.
Speaker 1: And at the same time in the Finnian network, another
Speaker 1: guy reaches out to Devoi. That's right. It's a guy
Speaker 1: named John Boyle O'Reilly who got to Fremantle along with
Speaker 1: Wilson Um and uh many of the other Irish recruits,
Speaker 1: and then he was singled out and transferred to Bunbury,
Speaker 1: which was another prison um in the western part of Australia.
Speaker 1: He had no no one to have his back. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, he left all his compatriots behind, and he
Speaker 1: started getting more and more depressed. Uh. And just in
Speaker 1: this constant stated desperation, he tried killing himself by slitting
Speaker 1: his own wrists, but thankfully another convict found him in
Speaker 1: time and he was saved. And then he kind of
Speaker 1: made friends with a Catholic priest and was able to
Speaker 1: escape from Bunbury by rowing out to see and then
Speaker 1: talking the captain of an American whaling vessel to let
Speaker 1: him board, to hire him. Basically, well, first of all,
Speaker 1: you gotta first of all, you gotta talk your way
Speaker 1: from the rowboat onto the ship, and then you gotta, okay, well,
Speaker 1: now that I'm here, how can I be of service?
Speaker 1: And you not like knark me out when I'm clearly
Speaker 1: an escaped escaped convict. Right, maybe not, he might have
Speaker 1: had a very you know, the Irish have the gift
Speaker 1: of gab oftentimes. But yeah, So he on board this
Speaker 1: whaling vessel sailed to the US, and that's where he
Speaker 1: started his second life as a poet. He edited a
Speaker 1: Catholic newspaper called The Boston pilot Um, where he was
Speaker 1: a journalist as well, and he started to feel a
Speaker 1: little guilty of the men that he left behind, even
Speaker 1: though again he was pulled away from them and was
Speaker 1: kind of left defend on his own, but that wasn't
Speaker 1: their fault. But he still felt the you know, the
Speaker 1: brunt of that oath that these Fenians took, this brotherhood
Speaker 1: took it very seriously, and he started to think of
Speaker 1: ways that he could help them, and that's when John
Speaker 1: Devoy came to mind. He decided he was going to
Speaker 1: reach out to Devoi and ask for his help in
Speaker 1: rallying members of that American kind of subset of the
Speaker 1: Fenians called the Clan and the Gael. Forgive me anyone
Speaker 1: who from Ireland out there, if I am butchering that pronuciation.
Speaker 1: We tried to look it up. I couldn't find an
Speaker 1: audible pronunciation. So it's doing the best we can with
Speaker 1: what we've got. But the idea was that he would
Speaker 1: rally members of this group to assemble a crew and
Speaker 1: rescue the men who had been left behind. Right, So
Speaker 1: the plan is coming together and Devoy is Devoy is
Speaker 1: getting is an easy self for this, right, because he
Speaker 1: also has loyalty to the Fenians and additionally oh Riley,
Speaker 1: who I agree, No, he must be a very charismatic dude.
Speaker 1: Because he talked his way onto the whaling ship. He
Speaker 1: obviously influenced that priest in Australia, right, and then now
Speaker 1: he's influencing Devoi and he is living proof that escape
Speaker 1: is possible. So this conversation with O'Reilly plus Wilson's letter
Speaker 1: makes Devois think you know, I bear some responsibility because
Speaker 1: I recruited a lot of these people. And he even
Speaker 1: writes about explicitly later. This is referenced in the Smithsonian
Speaker 1: article we mentioned. Devoy says most of the evidence on
Speaker 1: which the men were convicted related to meetings with me.
Speaker 1: I felt that, I, more than any other man than
Speaker 1: living ought to do my utmost for these Finian soldiers.
Speaker 1: And that speaks to his character, I think, because he's
Speaker 1: realizing I got these guys in this situation one way
Speaker 1: or the other. So I I think I I respect that,
Speaker 1: you know, that's right. And again, these Finians and a
Speaker 1: lot of these Irish revolutionaries, they just wanted to be
Speaker 1: to have their own free state, you know, away from
Speaker 1: English rule. Uh, in the same way that members of
Speaker 1: the American Revolution did. So it's like, you know, one
Speaker 1: person's re freedom fighters, another person's terrorists, depending on what
Speaker 1: side of thea divide that you're on. So it does
Speaker 1: seem that they weren't, you know, just out too so anarchy.
Speaker 1: That they did have you know, good hearts, and they
Speaker 1: you know, had a had a cause that they believed
Speaker 1: in passionately. Um, we have a reprinting of this letter
Speaker 1: that Wilson wrote that Devoy actually read out loud to
Speaker 1: rally the troops at a meeting of the clan. That's
Speaker 1: with the scene the clan they kale uh and uh.
Speaker 1: I mean we could tag team this one man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a great way Max kick in the music,
Speaker 1: because this is the part of the heist film where
Speaker 1: the leader makes a speech, an impassioned speech, and where
Speaker 1: you start rounding up all your specialists. Uh so, so
Speaker 1: this is the moment the voice stands up. He's that
Speaker 1: like you said in a secret meeting, and he reads
Speaker 1: Wilson's words, and Wilson is cracker jack writer guys. He
Speaker 1: says what to death is staring us in the face,
Speaker 1: the death of a felon in a British dungeon and
Speaker 1: a grave amongst Britain's ruffians. I am not ashamed to
Speaker 1: speak the truth that it is a disgrace to have
Speaker 1: us in prison today. A little money, judiciously expended would
Speaker 1: release every man that is now in West Australia. I
Speaker 1: think that we have been nearly nine years in this
Speaker 1: living tomb since our first arrest, and that it is
Speaker 1: impossible for mind or body to withstand the continual strain,
Speaker 1: and it's upon us. One or the other must give way.
Speaker 1: Remember this is a voice from the tomb, for is
Speaker 1: this not a living tomb. In the tomb, it is
Speaker 1: only a man's body that is good for worms. But
Speaker 1: in this living tomb, the canker worm of care enters
Speaker 1: the very soul. And we think, if you foreseek us,
Speaker 1: then we are friendless. Indeed, I have a question. No,
Speaker 1: what is a canker worm? Oh gosh, I'm imagining it's
Speaker 1: some sort of like maggot that infests you know, open sores.
Speaker 1: Is that accurate? That's just me using context clues. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I um. I wasn't familiar with this, and it sounded
Speaker 1: very unpleasant because I I immediately associated it with those
Speaker 1: little things in people's mouths, canker sores. It seems like
Speaker 1: if your canker store gets bad enough, or their canker
Speaker 1: worms of all. But no, they're they're the little uh
Speaker 1: like inch worm guys. Oh you know, okay, so, but
Speaker 1: but but even the little inchworm guys will will will
Speaker 1: eat you know, rotting flesh if it's buried in the ground,
Speaker 1: and their little inchworm paths happened across a tasty morsel right,
Speaker 1: or is it just earthworms that eat flesh. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Neither of us are worm experts, but that is my theory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and so so he Devoid reads this letter and
Speaker 1: then he pauses with great gravitas and all I want
Speaker 1: to lean on your amazing voice acting skills here, because
Speaker 1: when he puts down the letter, picture him looking around
Speaker 1: the secret meeting moment of silence, and then he shouts,
Speaker 1: these men are our brothers. Yeah and uh that that
Speaker 1: that did the trick. That was like that was like
Speaker 1: the freedom you know cry, or like give me liberty
Speaker 1: or give me death, you know, all of that good stuff. Whatever.
Speaker 1: The action the one big, big fighting words, boisterous rallying cries.
Speaker 1: That's literally what a rallying cry is. That is the
Speaker 1: very foundation of a rallying cry. So they start to
Speaker 1: gather funds together, like like cash money to put together
Speaker 1: the resources they need to pull off this rescue. So
Speaker 1: we're getting really into this story. I think it's clear
Speaker 1: that the three of us love this tale, and we
Speaker 1: are gonna make this aitude parter because we don't want
Speaker 1: to cut anything. Yes, indeed, um, I think this is
Speaker 1: a great stopping point and we will be back in
Speaker 1: just a couple of days time with the stunning conclusion
Speaker 1: to the Katalpa prison break. In the meantime, why don't
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Speaker 1: Max Williams, Alex Williams who composed our theme, Researchers Extraordinaire
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Speaker 1: Linda k the quister. I'm after you here Part two, folks,
Speaker 1: help us figure out how we're gonna cast ourselves. So, no,
Speaker 1: you're the bag man, Max. You want to be the captain,
Speaker 1: I mean Captain Anthony. You know the story. You know
Speaker 1: the score. Oh yeah, no, I could. I could totally
Speaker 1: keep it together. I think three of us on the
Speaker 1: most Captain material. So alright, okay, alright, okay, that's fine,
Speaker 1: that's fine. I'll be so I'll be one of the
Speaker 1: other guys. Well, I'm as long as I get to
Speaker 1: be the bat man. I'm all good. We'll see you
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