Speaker 1: What's up? Motherfucker's Hi? How are you my friends? How's
Speaker 1: it going? Donald and I just played tennis? We did.
Speaker 1: I'm hurting right now, are you sure? Yeah? I've been
Speaker 1: where I'm on this real hard workout kick. You know
Speaker 1: we lost weight. By the way, you look good. I
Speaker 1: gotta get skinnier. I gotta get down a little bit more.
Speaker 1: But I want I want you to know that I
Speaker 1: see that you're looking good. Good work. I'm putting the working.
Speaker 1: Like if I missed peloton, I'm going to the I
Speaker 1: go all right, so look, I go to this gym
Speaker 1: unbreakable performance. I gotta shout him out because I've been
Speaker 1: going there for so long and they have an outdoor
Speaker 1: facility right now that's really dope. And I've been, you know,
Speaker 1: putting the work in lifting weights. You know. Uh, they're
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, they're really safe. I've been
Speaker 1: boxing and stuff. You know. I can't stay at home
Speaker 1: and motivate myself enough to work out every day. So
Speaker 1: the peloton is great. Cody. I love you, bro, Thank
Speaker 1: you so yet. I don't know that Cody listens yet.
Speaker 1: Done even if he doesn't, I love you, Bro, Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. Like for real man, Cody is gonna
Speaker 1: when it's all said and done, these Peloton instructors are
Speaker 1: gonna be like Peloton famous man. That's real talk. I
Speaker 1: really want to have it. I want to hang out
Speaker 1: with Cody one day that great. Appreciate him. I appreciate him,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate unbreakable performance. Thank you guys for it,
Speaker 1: Thanks for helping me, you know, start this journey again. Joke,
Speaker 1: I joke about it, and I say, you know, in
Speaker 1: my next comeback, after this comeback, I'll get really ripped. Well,
Speaker 1: you look good and I know that it's hard, and
Speaker 1: I'm at it. I'm working at it two and I
Speaker 1: gotta say that. So Donald is that person. Maybe you
Speaker 1: listeners have a friend who cannot play tennis for years
Speaker 1: and then come back and be doing like trick shots
Speaker 1: behind his head, and everyone else that's been taking lessons
Speaker 1: the whole time is like, oh Jesus, you played really
Speaker 1: well today, man, the most consistent out of everyone. Time.
Speaker 1: I want, I want m v P. According to Chris
Speaker 1: our teacher, definitely Chris crab shout out. Definitely were m
Speaker 1: v P today. You won a lot of your games.
Speaker 1: I'm just in my head, you know, I have a
Speaker 1: a sports tick. Is that it is that what you
Speaker 1: call it? No, I'm what you call it when you
Speaker 1: have a mind thing with my forehand. You saw like
Speaker 1: I was running around my forehend to get to my
Speaker 1: back hand because I'm just like in a my head
Speaker 1: about my forehand. It's sucked up, but so I run
Speaker 1: around it. And bizarrely, most people have more trouble with
Speaker 1: your back hand my back hands consistent. You need to
Speaker 1: work on your forehand. But I know, bro, I know,
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you that I get into a groove
Speaker 1: with it. You sound like country clubs country club snobs.
Speaker 1: You need to focus on your forehead. But though appreciate
Speaker 1: I thought the fans would appreciate that I'm talking about
Speaker 1: sports for a second. I uh, you know, I just
Speaker 1: there's times where I can hit it fine, I'm just
Speaker 1: in my head about it. Blah blah blah. You gotta
Speaker 1: you just gotta work on your forehand. You work on
Speaker 1: your forehand. You're golden, dude. I know I'm gonna get good.
Speaker 1: That was fun. I love Tennis. Um I gotta high.
Speaker 1: I gotta start off the show just by telling everyone
Speaker 1: to watch the bill. The Eilish documentary. It's on Apple
Speaker 1: and it was amazing. I haven't seen it. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: I knew I don't want anything about Bill the Eilish
Speaker 1: other than you know her her hit songs and that
Speaker 1: she won all those Grammys. This documentarian follows her. Our R. J.
Speaker 1: Cutler is his name. He did a he's a famous documentarian,
Speaker 1: and he followed her for a year, the Key year
Speaker 1: where she like, there's footage of them recording in her
Speaker 1: brothers Phineas's bedroom all the way through to them winning
Speaker 1: all the Grammys. And I haven't I have a question,
Speaker 1: but let me just tell you that, you know some
Speaker 1: documentaries you feel like, oh, this is just a fucking
Speaker 1: pr bullshit. She really gave the whole family gave this
Speaker 1: documentarian such access and and it just is really special.
Speaker 1: I love documentaries and I love music documentaries, and I'm
Speaker 1: telling you all to watch this. And what an incredible
Speaker 1: family she has. Her parents are incredible, her brother's incredible.
Speaker 1: I just I've been thinking about it all day. It's
Speaker 1: one of those I highly recommend it. How did they
Speaker 1: know she was gonna blow up like that? Though, Like,
Speaker 1: wouldn't they like, how would they bet? This is the
Speaker 1: crazy thing. How do you document something like that before
Speaker 1: you know what's going to be. I think no, because
Speaker 1: I'll answer that because there was an album before that
Speaker 1: was getting her insane traction, not the one that not
Speaker 1: the one that made her a global name and one
Speaker 1: hundred Grammys, but before she was becoming like everywhere, and
Speaker 1: the kids, you know, young kids were just downloading and
Speaker 1: streaming her song incessantly. She had a lot of her
Speaker 1: Instagram followers were climbing like this, and so they obviously
Speaker 1: knew something was cooking. So and you know, and you
Speaker 1: see her, you see her. She's doing small venues, but
Speaker 1: they're selling out and and then but she's literally the
Speaker 1: whole album is made on a laptop and a piano
Speaker 1: and mike in her brother's fucking tiny bedroom. She's talented also,
Speaker 1: but he's you know, he's he won producer, he won
Speaker 1: Producer of the Year. That you think about this was
Speaker 1: its crazy about I love these stories, dude. They're they're
Speaker 1: just a brother and sister. You know, they're just really
Speaker 1: good friends. They love music. They've been playing music their
Speaker 1: whole lives. Their parents got them into music. They're just
Speaker 1: sitting in his bedroom writing songs and then this guy
Speaker 1: wins Producer of the Year, beating out people in zillion
Speaker 1: dollar studios with all the fancy musicians in the world.
Speaker 1: And this young girl, she's seventeen years old when this
Speaker 1: is being shot, and her voice, I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know enough about Billy Eilish, but
Speaker 1: her voice is incredible, and he's the mastermind producer. They
Speaker 1: write it together. I don't know. I sound like I'm
Speaker 1: the press agent for this documentary, but I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: and you can watch you. If you're listening and you
Speaker 1: have teenagers, you can watch you with them. There's not
Speaker 1: a single, you know, r rated thing in it, and
Speaker 1: it's fucking awesome. And her parents are inspirational, like they're
Speaker 1: so supportive, and it's just it's great. Speaking of tennis,
Speaker 1: Richard Kind is an amazing tennis player and this show,
Speaker 1: well he's only really good at his serve, but he's here.
Speaker 1: Should we count in and then bring him in? Guys,
Speaker 1: we have Richard Kind. Let's beat it up, all right?
Speaker 1: Donald counting stories about sure, we made about a bunch
Speaker 1: of nurses stories around around all right. We're very thrilled, everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, we've been talking about Richard Kind. Let's bring
Speaker 1: him in. Uh. We we love Richard Kind and we
Speaker 1: finally got him. What are you laughing about, Daniel? Just what?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry the message of the Joe els I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I know he said it to me. I just I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Richard is concerned his curse or on his computer will
Speaker 1: work because they switched over to his tablet, so he
Speaker 1: should be good. We can let him. I've been on
Speaker 1: the phone with Richard while you guys were doing your
Speaker 1: interesting I was wondering what all the faces were for.
Speaker 1: You were like so nervous. I just assume she was
Speaker 1: watching Rebels on the other Tad Richard Kind. Everybody living
Speaker 1: fucking legend. Yeah, looking good too, guys, Richard. That's Joel
Speaker 1: and Daniel, our producers. How are you, Richard Kind. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you. We've been doing this podcast and the
Speaker 1: mantra of everyone is like, fuck all those other people,
Speaker 1: forget that Bill Lawrence, bring me Richard Kind. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. My friend Rick Builder and his son
Speaker 1: Jeff Yea. You know, there's a podcast about Scrubs, and
Speaker 1: you call them and tell them you want to be
Speaker 1: on I go. They'll call if I call that's me me,
Speaker 1: and that's me wanting attention. I said, you're so funny, Richard,
Speaker 1: I guess gust of all. Let me tell you, I'm
Speaker 1: very happy and thrilled to be on this. But it's
Speaker 1: so nice to see you guys. It's good to see
Speaker 1: you too. I love you. Guys. We played We played
Speaker 1: golf together, Richard and I for a couple of holes. Actually,
Speaker 1: you're a very good golfer. You I am not. You
Speaker 1: take your time. I used to be a very good golfer.
Speaker 1: I used to be very smart. There are lots of
Speaker 1: things that have dissipated over the years. But wait, Richard,
Speaker 1: are you genuinely good at tennis? Because in this episode
Speaker 1: your service ridiculously on fire? In what episode? Um, we
Speaker 1: are talking about the episode of Scrubs that we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Did you watch it by any chance? I haven't seen Scrubs.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen years. It's a great show. Well, don't
Speaker 1: worry talking about are you Are you on a show
Speaker 1: right now? You do a show right now? Yes, I
Speaker 1: am the costco of acting all over the place and
Speaker 1: I come see and if I'm honest, show you get
Speaker 1: well paid. Right Yeah? Well yeah, but it's the guests
Speaker 1: on the show. Oh we throw the habio. Oh you're
Speaker 1: so bud, You're wonderful. Here are a couple of quarters,
Speaker 1: like a little monkey with a cop Oh my god. Well, Richard,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that you were on an episode
Speaker 1: of You're on multiple but but when we were going
Speaker 1: to focus on today, your your character hurt his Do
Speaker 1: you remember this? Your character? And you think Donald funked
Speaker 1: up your shoulder and and but you have in the
Speaker 1: episode we cut to you serving and it's so good
Speaker 1: that you throw it hits Johnny c McGinley and it
Speaker 1: throws him against the back wall. Do you remember? That's
Speaker 1: when I sort of do. I was a good tennis player,
Speaker 1: but that was high school, and uh what what I
Speaker 1: wasn't a good What I had was one shot because
Speaker 1: I was a fat kid, and the ball would come
Speaker 1: to me and I would hit a Foss Courts shot
Speaker 1: that was pinpoint in the corner so that the guy
Speaker 1: couldn't return it and I wouldn't have to run. I
Speaker 1: had with every point that way, That's what I was
Speaker 1: good at than that. But if I really had to reach,
Speaker 1: I wasn't so agile. But I was Okay, Donald does
Speaker 1: these trick shots. We we play, We just played today actually,
Speaker 1: and he does these. He didn't do any today, Donald,
Speaker 1: but he does these things where I didn't. I don't
Speaker 1: even know what kind of spin it is. He like
Speaker 1: loops around it like it's a lacrosse stick and the
Speaker 1: ball you just do not You have no fucking chance
Speaker 1: to touch him at Yes, it's top spin. It is
Speaker 1: top spin. And Donald, you hit the ball, the golf
Speaker 1: ball very far, just not straight right, just not straight.
Speaker 1: That's because you're putting this spin on. You hit down
Speaker 1: to the bottom and you turn it over. But God
Speaker 1: only knows where it's going to be. Because if you
Speaker 1: come over it, I know where it's going. If I
Speaker 1: come over it, I know where it's going. But I
Speaker 1: don't want it to go that way because you don't
Speaker 1: want to do. You know it's gonna go into the
Speaker 1: other fairway, but a long way into the other fairway.
Speaker 1: But you're strong, you have a good a decent you know,
Speaker 1: mobility and everything. But you've gotten better, Donald, haven't you?
Speaker 1: Since you played Richard? Probably I've never played him in golf,
Speaker 1: but I've played a few holes with him. I haven't
Speaker 1: played in a couple of weeks. I played once. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I played once. I was. I was for a while.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was messing with Ron del
Speaker 1: Barrio golf Tech. This dude, David uh Dave at Frank's
Speaker 1: at Calabasas Country Club. Like, I've gone to a lot
Speaker 1: of people to work on my swing. The lowest I've
Speaker 1: gotten I shot a seventy one at Encino Balboa. I've
Speaker 1: shot a seventy at uh at like courses. Those are
Speaker 1: easy courses. Oh, no doubt. I'm just gonna say one.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you can shoot a seventy one,
Speaker 1: seventy whatever. If you can shoot below seventy, you're a
Speaker 1: good golfer. Well, I the best I've played at a
Speaker 1: harder course like Rustic Canyon. I shot a eighty one
Speaker 1: at Rustic Yeah yeah, yeah, you killby, You'll killby. I
Speaker 1: had children. That'll kill your game. I moved to New
Speaker 1: York and New York New York kills your game. That'll
Speaker 1: kill your game. It was a game. I've been to
Speaker 1: New York for over ten years. You can't go play.
Speaker 1: But one of the reasons I moved from Los Angeles
Speaker 1: was because I became addicted to the game and the
Speaker 1: club that I play at, because you just go there
Speaker 1: and you sit and you play, you have a drink
Speaker 1: or anything like that. And I would get home to
Speaker 1: my kids and I am falling asleep, like trying to
Speaker 1: play with them, and and then uh, and I would
Speaker 1: literally this is horrible because I love to act. But
Speaker 1: I would say, if you can't get me the audition
Speaker 1: before like eleven thirty, then I can't make it, or
Speaker 1: until after three or four, because that's when I was
Speaker 1: playing golf. So I would give up. What is in
Speaker 1: essence jobs, I got news for you now that we're
Speaker 1: on and everybody's gonna hear. You asked me, can we
Speaker 1: switch this time from one o'clock when we take it
Speaker 1: to two o'clock. Well, if I take it at two o'clock,
Speaker 1: that means I got out to the club very late,
Speaker 1: and I want to go play golf after this, you know,
Speaker 1: I said, I said, I compromise, and I'll give him
Speaker 1: one third. Well, thank you for we appreciate that. I know.
Speaker 1: I know how I'm kidding. I'm not. No, you're not
Speaker 1: You're not kidding. Donald Donald, how important it is. I
Speaker 1: know how important it is. And yeah, and it's it's
Speaker 1: still not day savings time yet. If it were, and
Speaker 1: I could play at a eight, something goes down now
Speaker 1: at six? All right, so will Richard. We gotta ask you,
Speaker 1: because we always ask people when they come on. We
Speaker 1: gotta go back to the beginning. Let's start at the
Speaker 1: very beginning, very very good place test star. Um, how
Speaker 1: did you you You don't have to go like give
Speaker 1: us the novel version, but give us the cliff notes?
Speaker 1: How did you get started in in being a working,
Speaker 1: successful actor? Because you've been in nine zillion things. Um,
Speaker 1: very fancy filmmakers and very fancy showrunners love you and
Speaker 1: continue to cast you, and you have a career that
Speaker 1: actors would dream of because you've had such longevity. I
Speaker 1: will tell you I'm going to be humble and bragging
Speaker 1: at the same time. I am the luckiest man in
Speaker 1: show business because when I was a kid, Archie Bunker
Speaker 1: and Adam West were two of the biggest stars and
Speaker 1: heroes of who I wanted to be. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Carol O'Connor was magnificent, not just as Archie Bunker, but
Speaker 1: I knew his stuff before and he he got pigeonholed
Speaker 1: into being Archie Bunker, one of the most magnificent actors
Speaker 1: who would never guess it. Adam West certainly was only Batman,
Speaker 1: and it was my goal as an actor to not
Speaker 1: be them or not have their career. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be in as many things as I possibly could, in
Speaker 1: in everything. I mean, I know, you've done Broadway, I've
Speaker 1: done lots of shows. I'm probabaly and I before the pandemic,
Speaker 1: would be in a show a year somewhere. You know,
Speaker 1: nobody sees it, uh, you know, because it's a limited audience,
Speaker 1: but it's theater. So I wanted to be in as
Speaker 1: many things as I could. And when I was on
Speaker 1: Spin City, everybody was going, Oh, you're gonna be the
Speaker 1: breakout character. You'll be the breakout character. And I didn't
Speaker 1: have any publicity. I didn't want. I did not want
Speaker 1: to be known as Paul Lasseter, so I didn't do
Speaker 1: a lot of publicity or anything. And I know this
Speaker 1: sounds crazy. I have the career that I wanted. I
Speaker 1: really do I get to do. I've done opera, I
Speaker 1: do radio, I do, I do sitcoms. I do. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be and I'm doing a movie coming up in
Speaker 1: New Mexico where it is not funny at all, and
Speaker 1: I'm playing a gangster. It's fantastic. The only thing is
Speaker 1: that with more fame comes picking of roles. I can
Speaker 1: pick a choose roles. I'll get offered more roles, or
Speaker 1: at least get to audition for more roles, because being
Speaker 1: a star makes a project that much more uh easy
Speaker 1: to finance. And I'm not exactly a star. I mean,
Speaker 1: people don't say, oh, a Richard Karne movie, I gotta go.
Speaker 1: You know. They may say while they're watching it, oh
Speaker 1: I like that guy, but they will not run out
Speaker 1: of their house to go see. But but you're saying,
Speaker 1: but you're saying, you you there was a fork in
Speaker 1: the road, and you chose that path. I wish I
Speaker 1: could say it was an absolute fork in the road.
Speaker 1: It was not. It was a realization. Well no, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, just for example, you could you know, for example,
Speaker 1: you're on Spin City. You're saying I chose not to
Speaker 1: do but listen, you could have milked the funk out
Speaker 1: of that. Well, I guess I could have. I don't.
Speaker 1: I would not have been a star. I might have
Speaker 1: had more fame. It's just I did not want to
Speaker 1: be pigeonholed into that roll. But but so so I
Speaker 1: don't don't think I could. But also look at who
Speaker 1: you're talking to. I will not be the lead of
Speaker 1: anything of any of any movie and maybe even TV show.
Speaker 1: And I can be a leader in a play because
Speaker 1: the economic consequences of a play aren't as strong as
Speaker 1: a movie or a TV show. But you gotta get
Speaker 1: a good looking guy. You gotta get somebody who is
Speaker 1: I don't want to say middle of the road, but
Speaker 1: but somebody who is appealing that you want to turn
Speaker 1: tune into. I'm a satellite character, always proud to be
Speaker 1: a satellite character. You don't know who you are. You
Speaker 1: sound like a producer, and I'm gonna be when you
Speaker 1: when you talk like that. But I'm I tend to
Speaker 1: agree with you, and I tend to agree with you
Speaker 1: as of late late in my life, as of recently,
Speaker 1: as of actually this morning, um, I was watching I
Speaker 1: was watching Vandavision right, and everybody knows this about me.
Speaker 1: I want to be in Star Wars. I want to
Speaker 1: be in Marvel. I even think Star Wars and Marvel. No,
Speaker 1: I want to be in that. So I've said that's right,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. But so I've aspired my in my
Speaker 1: whole acting career to be in those movies now here's
Speaker 1: a thing, or in in those TV shows. Now here's
Speaker 1: the thing. What happens? If I get it? Then what
Speaker 1: do I aspire to be after that? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? In other words, be careful of what comes true,
Speaker 1: because because that then well you're wrong. Okay, you're wrong. Okay.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I had three dreams. Now,
Speaker 1: most kids want to be like Mick Jagger or or
Speaker 1: or play center field for the Yankees or something. Mine was.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be in a Stanley Kubrick movie, a
Speaker 1: Woody Allen movie, and a an original Stephen Someheim how
Speaker 1: Prince musical. Stanley Kubrick's Dead Woody Allen wasn't hiring me,
Speaker 1: and I love this for Stephen so some Time How
Speaker 1: Prince Musical and got it and I was the god.
Speaker 1: I was the lead. It was the dream of a lifetime.
Speaker 1: And I sing but not well enough to be in
Speaker 1: a sun Time musical. But he likes actors better than singers,
Speaker 1: and I sang well enough to do his stuff. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And Sunheim and Prince split in two after Merrily We
Speaker 1: Roll Along, and Harold Prince didn't didn't direct any of
Speaker 1: his plays anymore. They happened to got back to get
Speaker 1: back together, and I did it. And this was over
Speaker 1: ten years ago, and I continue to work. I work
Speaker 1: so much that I did a Woody Allen movie which
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of. It's not a huge, great part,
Speaker 1: but I was part of it. I almost was with Zach.
Speaker 1: I know you were I I have to admit, with
Speaker 1: all due respect to the gentleman who got the role,
Speaker 1: I was hoping that it was going to be you.
Speaker 1: Richard was up for the part of in Bullets over Broadway.
Speaker 1: Because Richard, I have to say, and I've said this
Speaker 1: on the podcast many times, I know what you're saying
Speaker 1: about being a satellite character. I one of those people
Speaker 1: when I see your face, and you work a lot,
Speaker 1: so I see your face all the time. I a
Speaker 1: giant smile comes across my face. If I had if
Speaker 1: I was not in this business at all and just
Speaker 1: a fan of acting, I would I I would just
Speaker 1: be I. I would just be a giant fan of yours.
Speaker 1: I just think that you are so talented and so funny.
Speaker 1: I know that you do drama as well, But when
Speaker 1: I just see you and you could say in this
Speaker 1: and Scrubs, you say one sentence and I just started
Speaker 1: giggling for a Yeah, there's I saw you in the
Speaker 1: show that I've spoken about here before. UM called the
Speaker 1: other the other two? Is that? Are you on that
Speaker 1: you don't even remember? You do so many shows you
Speaker 1: don't remember your you're somebody's agent. Uh. And it was
Speaker 1: a small show, Richard. I love the show. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they're gonna make I think it'll be back. It's back,
Speaker 1: I think without me. But I start of a one
Speaker 1: joke conceit and it had run its course. So I
Speaker 1: don't blame you. My point is, but this morning, when
Speaker 1: watching wand Division, I was like, why am I so
Speaker 1: worried about being on all of this? I'm a working actor.
Speaker 1: I have so many credits behind me. Now, maybe just
Speaker 1: focus on what I'm good at and if it comes,
Speaker 1: it comes, You know what I mean. I enjoy being
Speaker 1: a fan of it too, you know, so maybe just
Speaker 1: enjoy the fandom. And you are right, But first of all,
Speaker 1: you're really good, or you wouldn't have the career you have.
Speaker 1: The second thing is maybe we're not always great, m
Speaker 1: but we're never bad anymore because we've been around. You've
Speaker 1: done how many episodes of Scrubs did you deal? Over?
Speaker 1: A hundred and something? And if you're not good bye now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you don't know how to work a camera, if
Speaker 1: you don't know how to get the tone of a
Speaker 1: scene or parts the script and deliver what the writer
Speaker 1: wants you, then then then you're not thinking I'm an idiot.
Speaker 1: And if that's I'm saying, you're absolutely so you can
Speaker 1: get into into something and you've got a career that
Speaker 1: a backlog of stuff that people can say, oh, he's
Speaker 1: more than justice and Mike, my friend Michael Boltman, you
Speaker 1: know Michael Boatman. He he says, we are at the
Speaker 1: point in our career of what you guys are certainly
Speaker 1: that we will always be better than good. We will
Speaker 1: always deliver. There might be some who will be great,
Speaker 1: and there might or will it will be better. There
Speaker 1: might be certain roles that we will be great in
Speaker 1: and we were not able to achieve greatness, but we
Speaker 1: will always deliver because we're good, which is good. It's
Speaker 1: not that we were for some people are just blessed uh,
Speaker 1: you know some people, well you know people with a
Speaker 1: smoldering lust and and sexuality. I disagree. I disagree, however,
Speaker 1: but those are gifts somehow. But we have amassed a
Speaker 1: talent and a and a credibility and and and a
Speaker 1: facility of how to do our job, and we'll just
Speaker 1: be fine. Do you still have the hunger Richard? Like
Speaker 1: when you when you when someone says we want you
Speaker 1: to read and and and uh, and you get and
Speaker 1: you get the script and it's a really good part.
Speaker 1: Do you do you find yourself going, oh, should I
Speaker 1: want to work on this one? I really want this
Speaker 1: all right? I got a couple of answers for you.
Speaker 1: Yes I do. And it's the silliest thing that makes
Speaker 1: me jump up and down because because I was actually,
Speaker 1: as of this time, I was offered something yesterday that
Speaker 1: was more money than I've ever made in my life,
Speaker 1: more money than ever. I don't make that money, but
Speaker 1: this was more and I turned it down because two
Speaker 1: weeks in a quarantine and then being on the set
Speaker 1: of a very good script. But I was Parsley. I
Speaker 1: was the the overpaid extra. I had one decent scene
Speaker 1: that was maybe a page and a half through pages.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I'm just part of dinner family where I have
Speaker 1: one line and you gotta be away from your family
Speaker 1: for that, and I would I would kill myself that
Speaker 1: that would really make me unhappy. It would have made
Speaker 1: me unhappy. Forgive me in Bullets over Broadway, because that
Speaker 1: was I didn't have a song and the part was
Speaker 1: really chopped down from what it was in the movie,
Speaker 1: and I was it was although I haven't the love
Speaker 1: the production, Well, then I give him the song at
Speaker 1: the end of Banana song. No, that Banana song was
Speaker 1: started by somebody else, but um. And also the thing
Speaker 1: with that contract was I didn't know if if you
Speaker 1: were did you hear any you would have been known
Speaker 1: as a year everyone, no matter who you were, you
Speaker 1: had to sign up for a year. And I was like,
Speaker 1: what a year? And I was gonna I was going
Speaker 1: to pass on it because I was. But my friend
Speaker 1: was like, bro, like, what are you talking about. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna pass on starring in a Woody Allen Broadway
Speaker 1: musical and Susan Stroman and you were challenged every night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was very hard, truly challenged every night. You know
Speaker 1: what I was thinking about this last night Um, this
Speaker 1: is I guess a bit of a non sequitor. But
Speaker 1: I was thinking about just in terms of the theater,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, you know, you know, most of
Speaker 1: our listeners aren't in the entertainment industry, Richard. So I
Speaker 1: sometimes just explained that in the theater world, in the
Speaker 1: New York theater world, Uh, really, whether the show is
Speaker 1: successful or not comes down to the review of the
Speaker 1: New York Times. It used to. It doesn't anymore, but
Speaker 1: it used to. Okay, well, all I'll tell you is
Speaker 1: book did I gotta tell you that Bullo was supposed
Speaker 1: to run. My Trek was for a year and and Richard,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been through this in Donald's Done Done
Speaker 1: theater too. But you you're playing to preview houses, meaning
Speaker 1: the critics aren't allowed to come yet you're working out
Speaker 1: the kinks. We're playing a sold out houses in a
Speaker 1: giant theater, was sold out that we have to stop
Speaker 1: the show because they're laughing so hard. We have to.
Speaker 1: There was one moment they would give it for Nick,
Speaker 1: for for the late great Nick Cordero. They would give
Speaker 1: a standing ovation in the middle of the show for
Speaker 1: a dance number. We were on fire. We open that night,
Speaker 1: the night you open it, like midnight, the reviews came out.
Speaker 1: The Times didn't destroy it, but was met and um.
Speaker 1: The next night it was like golfers claps everyone everyone,
Speaker 1: this is what's so fucked up about it. Everyone coming
Speaker 1: into that theater now went, oh, this isn't that good
Speaker 1: because Brent Brandley didn't love it, And now we're gonna
Speaker 1: watch it differently, and you can. If you're in the play,
Speaker 1: you're like, what the funk happened? We haven't changed anything,
Speaker 1: but they had just been conditioned that this is not good.
Speaker 1: It's horrible. In fact, what it is, what it really is,
Speaker 1: is is a review could make or break the success
Speaker 1: of a play. But now a review can make or
Speaker 1: break the audience's attitude towards a play, and that that's horrible.
Speaker 1: It's because I never I love the theater my it's
Speaker 1: my favorite thing in the world, and I and I
Speaker 1: and I get so much joy out of it. I
Speaker 1: never read a review before I go because I want
Speaker 1: to experience the play a new Of course, if you're
Speaker 1: into the theater community, you hear the buzz of oh,
Speaker 1: everyone's talking about this show, but I the last thing
Speaker 1: I want is someone telling me, oh, this scene sucks.
Speaker 1: It's funny. There was one big number. There was a
Speaker 1: hot dog number, if you recall, and it was so silly.
Speaker 1: They were dancing hot dogs. It was it was just
Speaker 1: a giant dick joke for but it was hilarious and
Speaker 1: the audience would be you could look and you'd see
Speaker 1: them holding their bellies, and that next and that next
Speaker 1: night it was like, that's just terrible. It's terrible. Well,
Speaker 1: they certainly had it out for Woody, but what's unusual
Speaker 1: is they had it out for stro and that's she
Speaker 1: doesn't deserve that. Yeah, I think that Susan Stroman um
Speaker 1: you know if for those of you not in the know,
Speaker 1: is is very, very a list a huge musical theater
Speaker 1: director in New York, and she her first giant hit.
Speaker 1: I believe Richard was the producers, right producers. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it almost felt like there was animosity towards her,
Speaker 1: like how dare you be that successful? Absolutely? Yeah, And
Speaker 1: she works the hardest. You've never met anybody so loyal.
Speaker 1: She does everything from ballet to the opera, to to
Speaker 1: uh to the musicals. She's she even did the movie
Speaker 1: of the Producers, which did deserve the dreadful reviews it got. However,
Speaker 1: she is great. You did the producers, didn't you? I did?
Speaker 1: I'm Broadway and at the Hollywood bawl. I have a question,
Speaker 1: what is this? What is this rule? Though? Now? I
Speaker 1: don't like? This is the one thing I do not
Speaker 1: like about Broadway. If you dare you? How dare you?
Speaker 1: The only thing way you're talking about? Yes, these people
Speaker 1: need These people need our support right now, not any criticism.
Speaker 1: This is the only thing when it comes to Tony Awards,
Speaker 1: how comes somebody like Let's say, let's say Zack did
Speaker 1: Bullets over Broadway and he wins the Tony for Bullets
Speaker 1: over Broadway, then leaves. Then somebody else comes in, he
Speaker 1: does bullets over Broadway. Why can't that person win and
Speaker 1: and and so what if they Zack won, his ego
Speaker 1: isn't gonna be heard If that person wins, if that
Speaker 1: person gets nominated, the replacement is even better. Sometimes there
Speaker 1: is talk, Richard, I I at least heard, but you
Speaker 1: might know of them creating a category for best replacement, right,
Speaker 1: I believe that should be done. However, every once in
Speaker 1: a while there is simply a role that can't beat,
Speaker 1: Like if if Fiddler around the Roof is gonna go on,
Speaker 1: how to Have You is always gonna win, or or
Speaker 1: Max biala Stock and the producers, they're always going to
Speaker 1: win because it's the role. Right. Also, sometimes Richard, what
Speaker 1: you're saying is true that and and with no disrespect
Speaker 1: to the person that originated the role, someone might come
Speaker 1: in and be like revelatory. Absolutely, And I was talking
Speaker 1: about this the other day. Um the somebody said his
Speaker 1: most exciting UH theater experiences was seeing Richard Burton do
Speaker 1: the original cast of Equis. I said, Richard Burton did
Speaker 1: not create the role, but he did go into it.
Speaker 1: And my guess is he was better than the original
Speaker 1: guy because he was Richard Burton. So so, but don't
Speaker 1: I think you are correct? I think I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a bad thing. You shouldn't take away from the
Speaker 1: five original nominees because putting up a show sometimes what
Speaker 1: they do helps create the character is so good. But
Speaker 1: once the characters established, you are right A but you
Speaker 1: can with it for a revival that only that's the
Speaker 1: only happen Yeah, but then it has to next talk
Speaker 1: about I don't but I like I like the revival
Speaker 1: also because it still has to go through the same
Speaker 1: work that the original did. You gotta started small theater,
Speaker 1: then it has to get to a bigger theater. Then
Speaker 1: that's I like that. I do like I could talk.
Speaker 1: By the way, we've decided this, this episode is called
Speaker 1: the Conversation with Richard Kind because that's what it is.
Speaker 1: Everybody and I could talk to you about so many things.
Speaker 1: You're so knowledgeable about a lot of things. You have
Speaker 1: to wait. One thing that I want to get to Wait. Wait.
Speaker 1: This is called wait, Richard pause. This is called a tease.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be right back after this break. But I
Speaker 1: have something to say. I know, but I've gotten ching
Speaker 1: the audience. I'm doing a drive by of their proverbial
Speaker 1: genitalia and we'll be right back you and we're back.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. What were you saying, Well, I'm fault because
Speaker 1: I just had a huge meal and now after that,
Speaker 1: pay jeez, Louise, I hope, I hope you remember what
Speaker 1: you were gonna say. Okay, what I wanted to say.
Speaker 1: I mean, you talked about Uh, do I get excited
Speaker 1: about a script or are excited about a part? Yes?
Speaker 1: I do, I certainly do. Or you pray that you
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to play that part. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: something that that might be interesting to you guys. Or
Speaker 1: I'm one of the idiots that likes auditioning. Really, why
Speaker 1: what a couple of reasons. Number one, as an actor,
Speaker 1: I like to play all different kinds of roles. I
Speaker 1: may not be I may not be hired, but for
Speaker 1: ten minutes, I got to play that role. And I
Speaker 1: can't what alone in the bathroom. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: invite friends over and go, hey, listen to me, do this,
Speaker 1: Listen to me do Willie Loman, because you know just here,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll give you a sandwich, and I would
Speaker 1: come to see you do something I'd love to do.
Speaker 1: But but but the thing is, you need an after
Speaker 1: needs an audience, and even if it's a kid with
Speaker 1: a camera, you're still performing. So I happened to appreciate it. Uh.
Speaker 1: The other thing is is um, I like being nervous.
Speaker 1: I like the jitters of like an opening night. That's
Speaker 1: fun for me. I know I'm not gonna die, I
Speaker 1: know that my life is not on the line. I
Speaker 1: know nothing's gonna happen to my kids. But I get nervous,
Speaker 1: like being on a roller coaster can be fun. And
Speaker 1: so you're going in front of important people. You make
Speaker 1: it a job. This could be the job that makes
Speaker 1: you a huge amount of money, brings you fame, and
Speaker 1: you might be Matt Terry in friends you don't know.
Speaker 1: Uh so, who knows what this audition is going to
Speaker 1: bring or that the person that you're auditioning for may
Speaker 1: become a good friend. Whatever it is. But you're nervous.
Speaker 1: Things around the line A good way to live. I
Speaker 1: never heard it put like that, but I heard the nervous.
Speaker 1: I heard the nervous part put like that. I've never
Speaker 1: heard the actors need to perform. Look at it as
Speaker 1: a room to perform. I do. Oh, it's an opportunity.
Speaker 1: And that's that's such a golf analogy too. That's such
Speaker 1: a golf analogy, dude. But it's an opportunity. Here's here's
Speaker 1: another crazy thing that if I'm teaching, which I don't
Speaker 1: do a lot of but I have, when you go
Speaker 1: in for an audition, you are going, oh, dear God,
Speaker 1: let me get this role. Please, let me be good,
Speaker 1: Please let me be great. I don't go in that way.
Speaker 1: I go in and I see six people who all
Speaker 1: want to make Larry David money. They all want the
Speaker 1: successive side field. They all want the success of curb
Speaker 1: your enthusiasm. That's what they want. They want money, they
Speaker 1: want success. They don't care whether I get the role.
Speaker 1: They want money. And I go in saying, if, and
Speaker 1: you have to believe this, you have to believe you're
Speaker 1: the right actor for the role. But if I, if
Speaker 1: I believe that, which a lot of times I do,
Speaker 1: I can do this. I go in with the mindset of, Guys,
Speaker 1: I'm going to help you make a lot of money.
Speaker 1: You better if when you cast me, you better cast
Speaker 1: around me as good as me, because I'll help you
Speaker 1: make money. I'm going to help make this thing great.
Speaker 1: Don't worry. I got your back talk. But most people
Speaker 1: go in going, oh, I gotta get this, Oh I
Speaker 1: got this role. If you go in with the with
Speaker 1: the feeling of I'm going to help you make the success,
Speaker 1: that takes all the pressure off of you. Yeah, Richard,
Speaker 1: I love that. And I have to say from when
Speaker 1: I'm directing, I learned a lot about auditioning when I
Speaker 1: was directing. Because you sit you think that being on
Speaker 1: the other side of the table is fun. It's fun
Speaker 1: for about thirty five minutes, and then it's really grueling
Speaker 1: and stressful because all you're thinking is funk, We're not
Speaker 1: going to find this guy or this gal. So what
Speaker 1: I always say to actors is you need to I mean,
Speaker 1: you're just brilliant. I'm gonna steal it. But I also say, there,
Speaker 1: you don't know this. They're rooting for you. They want,
Speaker 1: they're dying for you to be good. If you're great,
Speaker 1: they're done great. If you're great, they're gonna make money
Speaker 1: if you're good and be good for yourself. Don't Yes,
Speaker 1: they're they're saying, dear God, give me somebody who's good.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Now I'm gonna bring up something
Speaker 1: that you're gonna hate. But you know that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: bring it up. When you were doing going my way style,
Speaker 1: I auditioned for the bank or at the beginning, and
Speaker 1: I did not have and I only went on tape
Speaker 1: and I did not have. I remember not being not
Speaker 1: feeling good about it. I remember it, and I, of
Speaker 1: course you care whether or not to get it. I
Speaker 1: think I requested you come in for it. Okay, good
Speaker 1: being what I wanted to do. Let's not get the
Speaker 1: role I wanted to do. I wanted to impress Zack.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's what I wanted to do. Now,
Speaker 1: the guy you hired happened to be a friend of
Speaker 1: mine and he's great, it's wonderful. Uh and I do
Speaker 1: you do you mind not getting a role? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it happens, But that that was my mindset and it
Speaker 1: could have gotten in my way of doing a good job. Well,
Speaker 1: I gotta say that. What I think is, I recall
Speaker 1: I asked you to come in because I literally when
Speaker 1: I when I'm casting something and it's a particularly a
Speaker 1: funny part, I'm like, well, who are the funny people
Speaker 1: that I like working with? I agree with? And you're
Speaker 1: at the top of that list. Um, and uh, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I I I really like And I'm sure there's a
Speaker 1: lot of actors listening, who who who? This is? This
Speaker 1: is really useful advice. The audition process. We've all been
Speaker 1: groomed our whole lives to be like and we do it.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, I'm nervous. Oh shit, come on, please come on, God,
Speaker 1: come on, Universe, give this. But it really comes down
Speaker 1: to not walking in that room terrified, walking in that
Speaker 1: room with your shoulders back going, guys, let me let
Speaker 1: me help you. I'm here to do this. Let me
Speaker 1: help you. I'm not necessarily saying that you can't say
Speaker 1: no performance it. Let's just be clear, yes, yes, Actors,
Speaker 1: Please don't walk in the room and say you're looking.
Speaker 1: I'm here. You don't say it out loud. You go,
Speaker 1: you don't say hey, fuckers, you better cast. This is
Speaker 1: a good segue into can you tell us about Spince?
Speaker 1: Your audition for Spin City? And and and and Bill
Speaker 1: and how all that went? I got a great story this.
Speaker 1: This will take about five minutes. Great story you can
Speaker 1: you can take an hour. Go ahead, time. He's got
Speaker 1: a tea time? Yes, what we're talking about me? So
Speaker 1: I guess I have a little only I'll only play
Speaker 1: eight homes if I can keep talking about being tell
Speaker 1: me how good I am? Richard Richard Richard only as
Speaker 1: a tea time if we're talking about things unrelated to him.
Speaker 1: All right, So uh, Gary David Goldberg had a show
Speaker 1: called Champs. It was about It was sort of like
Speaker 1: that champon Sason. It was it was sort of based
Speaker 1: on his life. It was one coach and five guys
Speaker 1: who were best friends, of which Gary does have that life.
Speaker 1: He he had his best friends who were a basketball
Speaker 1: team from when he was in high school. So he
Speaker 1: made a sitcom about that club Champs, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to read for it, and Gary said, he's not right.
Speaker 1: He goes, I know Richard kind, I know him from
Speaker 1: Man About He's not he's not right for it, and
Speaker 1: I'm going I I just let me read. He would
Speaker 1: not see me. That show went the way of most shows,
Speaker 1: like one season. Then he had Spin City and he
Speaker 1: didn't want to see me, and we called the casting director,
Speaker 1: and the casting director spoke to Bill Lawrence and Bill
Speaker 1: wanted to see me, and I said, let me go
Speaker 1: in and see the casting director first so that I
Speaker 1: can practice and see it because Gary doesn't want to
Speaker 1: see me. And Gary says, oh, I know I know
Speaker 1: which you're kind from Man About you and he's great.
Speaker 1: He's great. He's not right for the role. Gary didn't
Speaker 1: want to see me. Bill did. I had a handle
Speaker 1: on this part. The only thing that would have uh
Speaker 1: not gone it for me is because I was too
Speaker 1: tall from Michael J. Fox or I might have been
Speaker 1: too Jewish ethnic New York City for whatever. But otherwise,
Speaker 1: if they called me back the role is mine. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to go into the casting director and then
Speaker 1: I went into uh the h to read for Bill
Speaker 1: and for Gary, and indeed I was called back. And
Speaker 1: I literally said to myself, if they called me back,
Speaker 1: this role is mine. Okay, I have to go in
Speaker 1: to meet with Michael. Cut back years before when I
Speaker 1: was at Second City, Michael J. Fox came to the
Speaker 1: Second City, was doing the movie Satisfaction. Let me just
Speaker 1: for those for those that don't know, Second Cities an
Speaker 1: improv group ahead right and uh and I was part
Speaker 1: of the company and whenever somebody famous was in the audist,
Speaker 1: we would invite them to improvise with us, which we
Speaker 1: did with Michael. So Michael and Robin Duke are doing
Speaker 1: a scene there was obviously he was the son, she
Speaker 1: was the mother. It's obvious if I opened the door
Speaker 1: and I say, Honey, i'm home, I'm the father and
Speaker 1: I belong there. So I come into the scene with honey,
Speaker 1: I'm home, and Michael bounded one, two three and jumped
Speaker 1: into my like this, I mean, off the floor into
Speaker 1: my arms. Now a couple of things. I'm strong, but
Speaker 1: I'm not that strong. Michael Jay Fox is so light
Speaker 1: that anybody's strong lifted and he clumped onto me like
Speaker 1: David Letterman did with self pro Do you remember when
Speaker 1: he did that too? And Michael did that and he
Speaker 1: hung on like that when I tell you, and you've
Speaker 1: got to understand how long time is? There was a
Speaker 1: forty five second laugh. It's and it wasn't that. It
Speaker 1: was that. It was Michael was so athletic and agile
Speaker 1: and knew the laugh and he just hung on and
Speaker 1: I walked around with him. I'm telling you, like a money,
Speaker 1: like a monkey. Yeah, they were dying. It is a laugh.
Speaker 1: I will always remember it in my head. It's like
Speaker 1: a movie. I can see what it looks like. Memorable
Speaker 1: before I went into the audition. Cut to today, okay,
Speaker 1: to to the audition for Spin City. And sometimes I
Speaker 1: don't have a therapist anymore, but at the time I
Speaker 1: had a therapist and it was a good luck thing
Speaker 1: that I go and see my therapist sometime before I
Speaker 1: had the audition, and it would loosen me up, it
Speaker 1: would make me feel alive or whatever. So I go
Speaker 1: in and I say, I tell him the story, and
Speaker 1: I say should I bring it up? And my therapist
Speaker 1: goes absolutely, if it was that memorable. Absolutely bring it up.
Speaker 1: I go in, I meet Michael, and I say, I've
Speaker 1: got to tell you. You may not we've met before.
Speaker 1: I was on stage at Second City and we did this,
Speaker 1: and this is what Michael said, and he's given me
Speaker 1: permission to tell the story. He goes, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: don't remember it because I was so drunk and high
Speaker 1: during that point in my life. I don't even remember
Speaker 1: doing Satisfaction. He did not remember being at Second City,
Speaker 1: he didn't remember being in Chicago. He had no memory
Speaker 1: of really doing the movie. Isn't that amazing? God, I know,
Speaker 1: isn't that isn't that sensing one of the biggest It's
Speaker 1: crazy that one of the biggest moments in your life,
Speaker 1: one of the moments that that's one of the memorable
Speaker 1: laugh He had no clue, no clue. He has no
Speaker 1: memory of leaping, leaping onto one of the improv comedians.
Speaker 1: He has no memory of leaping holding on keeping. However,
Speaker 1: this is something I then remember about the audition. This
Speaker 1: is something I clearly remember, is I had a They
Speaker 1: wrote Bill Lawrence. As you know, as everybody who's listening,
Speaker 1: Bill Lawrence is a fucking genius he works very hard
Speaker 1: at being a genius, and sometimes he works to the
Speaker 1: last minute at being a genius. But nonetheless he is
Speaker 1: a genius at what he has chosen to do. He's
Speaker 1: he makes things accessible, funny, weird. And let me get
Speaker 1: to to that a little later. But I remember doing
Speaker 1: the scene and he wrote such a brilliant funny line
Speaker 1: because he was a great writer. Um Gary was a
Speaker 1: great show runner. Not necessarily he was a great captain.
Speaker 1: He was not necessarily as great a writer as some
Speaker 1: of the product that he put out. But when you
Speaker 1: have a genius, like like a Lawrence, you can get it.
Speaker 1: And Gary was able to to teach things, to build
Speaker 1: and generate things that Bill not only learn but cultivated
Speaker 1: and made blossom even more. But that I had one
Speaker 1: hilariously funny line that I read and Michael J. Fox,
Speaker 1: I wonder if I could do it. I don't think
Speaker 1: I'm met late anymore. In this chair is gonna gonna roll.
Speaker 1: He jumped in the air like this and just landed.
Speaker 1: He jumped in the air with laughter and landed on
Speaker 1: the chair. He laughed that hard at my delivery. And
Speaker 1: I have to admit I walked out of there going
Speaker 1: the part is mine. It's mine. We we we we.
Speaker 1: Donald and I have spoken about his timing, Uh, Michael J. Fox.
Speaker 1: I mean I grew up watching family ties, and I
Speaker 1: didn't know how to analyze comedy or or anything about
Speaker 1: it at a young age. But I just knew that
Speaker 1: he was doing something unique. We is his timing that
Speaker 1: was so special. And Bill has said to us that
Speaker 1: no one, no one could hold the pause and wait
Speaker 1: for the laugh better than than Mike Fox. He he
Speaker 1: just knew. It's like you watch those teenage girls playing
Speaker 1: double dutch and how they know just when to go in.
Speaker 1: Like Michael J. Fox was just so skilled at just
Speaker 1: the right amount of pause right he was. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you. I'll tell you two things. Number One, I
Speaker 1: heard Carl Rehner interviewed by Bob Costas, and Carl Reiner
Speaker 1: said sitcoms were written by Jews to be acted by
Speaker 1: non Jews. And Michael J. Fox has the rhythm of
Speaker 1: a bors Belt comedian. Michael great, great, great talent. He
Speaker 1: has that rhythm. And now I'm going to tell you
Speaker 1: something else. This is sour grapes a little bit. Michael
Speaker 1: could hold for the for that he could take a
Speaker 1: line and make it three lines, and the camera would
Speaker 1: always be on him because he's Michael J. Fox and
Speaker 1: he's the star of the show. If we tried to
Speaker 1: do it, Gary would edit it and it would all
Speaker 1: be compressed because we're not the start and you just
Speaker 1: gotta understand you're not the star. But I would, well,
Speaker 1: maybe I couldn't do what he did, because quite honestly,
Speaker 1: what he did something. I've done this with Michael, and
Speaker 1: I've done this with Christopher Walking. I have acted with
Speaker 1: them and as they're talking, in my head, I'm going, really,
Speaker 1: that's how you're going to deliver the line. Really, that's
Speaker 1: your that's your choice. That's what you want to say
Speaker 1: and how you want to say. All right, that's if
Speaker 1: that's going on in my head. And I would do
Speaker 1: that with Michael. And I was lucky enough to act
Speaker 1: with Christopher Walking. And I see them on screen and
Speaker 1: it takes your breath away. They know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, they're they're they're magnificent. And Michael okay, and
Speaker 1: here's something different. I was also lucky enough to do
Speaker 1: a series with Carol Burnett, and there was a difference
Speaker 1: between the expertise of Carol Burnett and Michael J. Fox,
Speaker 1: who are of course the greatest who have ever taken
Speaker 1: the screen on on TV. Michael J. Fox played for
Speaker 1: the camera but needed the audience to get his timing,
Speaker 1: to know, to to hear, to to get the whole
Speaker 1: milieu of the comedy. Otherwise it's a straight our drama.
Speaker 1: You know, you deliver it seriously. But he was able
Speaker 1: to play that last. Carol Burnett played to the back
Speaker 1: of the house, but knew that the camera was capturing her.
Speaker 1: She needed the audience. That's who she really played to,
Speaker 1: and the camera caught her and she that that was
Speaker 1: the difference I as an actor and more like and
Speaker 1: more like Michael J. Fox, I have a hard time
Speaker 1: with and and and and it's and it's worked for me,
Speaker 1: and it's worked against me. It's worked against me to
Speaker 1: the point where I've been fired before because I was
Speaker 1: playing for I needed the audience and I needed the
Speaker 1: timing for it to work. But then I've also been
Speaker 1: on shows. I've also I've been on a sitcom net
Speaker 1: lasted for five seasons, and I had an actress tell
Speaker 1: me one day, she was like, you know, I thought
Speaker 1: you were gonna blow it until the audience got in
Speaker 1: and then you turned it into something different. I'm one
Speaker 1: of them. I can't do it without the audience. If
Speaker 1: you're not gonna laugh, if you're not gonna give me
Speaker 1: the rhythm. And I think that's what's great about Bill,
Speaker 1: because Bill at the audition for Scrubs would give you
Speaker 1: the last. He helped you create the rhythm in the audition.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And so I have I have,
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about. I have. I
Speaker 1: have a hard time. I appreciate people that are more
Speaker 1: like Bill because of that, Bill and Mike a perfect
Speaker 1: for each other. If that's yes, they are, I call
Speaker 1: it you ride the last. Yeah, it gives you a breath,
Speaker 1: It gives you a way to get to the next
Speaker 1: sentence or or though. And as Michael could do, he
Speaker 1: could either hold it or in my situation and you
Speaker 1: make a face, you know you're riding the laugh. I
Speaker 1: feel like to say something, but but you're holding for
Speaker 1: the last. Yeah. I feel like Michael J. Fox would
Speaker 1: do this thing where he would almost start to like
Speaker 1: nod like he was he was. He was nodding along
Speaker 1: with the laugh, and the audience was was him. They
Speaker 1: were in and I forgot what the I forgot what
Speaker 1: the example Bill told us was. It was something like
Speaker 1: shaving a haircut two bits or whatever it was. But
Speaker 1: the audience knew what the two bits of it all was.
Speaker 1: And that's the easiest thing. And then Michael Fox would
Speaker 1: would would just kind of nod with them, let them laugh,
Speaker 1: let them get ahead of it then and just pause
Speaker 1: even longer so they're like, when is he gonna do it?
Speaker 1: What is he gonna do it? And then just say
Speaker 1: and then he would just say it and they would
Speaker 1: go fall absolutely and that is a very that is
Speaker 1: a comforting thing, and the audience is relieved that they
Speaker 1: were delivered by such a waiter. It's it's the it
Speaker 1: is the greatest. It's love, love, I've got I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you one other thing. A lot of times because
Speaker 1: of Michael's impairment, which we didn't even know about until
Speaker 1: the last year, but Michael couldn't have a long evening
Speaker 1: on Friday nights taping in front of the audience, So
Speaker 1: in order to make it shorter, all of the extraneous
Speaker 1: that's the wrong word. All of the supporting cast they
Speaker 1: had scenes. We would do their scenes and they were
Speaker 1: in swing sets in the back, so they were not
Speaker 1: in front of the audience. They would have just been
Speaker 1: shown on TV. Just Paul is there for the audience.
Speaker 1: Swing sets or sets that if you're doing a sitcom,
Speaker 1: aren't right in front of the audience. There, they may
Speaker 1: be out of out of the audience's view right right,
Speaker 1: the audience is seeing it live, but not with their
Speaker 1: they're seeing it live on a screen, but but not
Speaker 1: in front. Most of Michael's stuff was done in front
Speaker 1: of an audience, even if it was on a swing set,
Speaker 1: because that's what Michael wanted so in order to get
Speaker 1: and and I was in either the B or sometimes
Speaker 1: I was usually a C story that was all about
Speaker 1: me but just took a few pages. But I did
Speaker 1: not get the audience, so I didn't hear that laugh
Speaker 1: and I couldn't write it. But when I was in
Speaker 1: front of an audience, I of course was much better
Speaker 1: as But those are some of the things that people
Speaker 1: don't know. But it's absolutely fair. I over the years,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna you're gonna say, oh no, no, Richard, No,
Speaker 1: I can't do for camera sitcom nearly as well as
Speaker 1: I got to. I'm a much better actor now and
Speaker 1: therefore to be big on four camera, which you really
Speaker 1: have to do, you have to. It's it's it's the
Speaker 1: greatest amount of of theater and TV. I'm not nearly
Speaker 1: as good. So do you know by choice or by
Speaker 1: by choice? I can't do it anymore. It's not by choice.
Speaker 1: I am a better actor on single camera. I prefer
Speaker 1: single camera, meaning not four cameras going at once. You
Speaker 1: do almost seeing it's for the audience. It's it's one camera.
Speaker 1: They've lit it all up. And which is how uh
Speaker 1: Scrubs has done for those who want to know. When
Speaker 1: you watch All in the Family, you watch Roseanne, there
Speaker 1: is a different look of those shows versus when you
Speaker 1: watch Scrubs. You can feel that difference of videotape and
Speaker 1: and here the audience. So that's, uh, that is the difference.
Speaker 1: But you're very good at that, so you you you
Speaker 1: wouldn't um, you know, if if if a sitcom came
Speaker 1: up in New York City, you would pass on it.
Speaker 1: If a sitcom came up in l A dude, that's
Speaker 1: all the gop. Now, he's I'm just saying I am
Speaker 1: not nearly as well. I want to say a depth
Speaker 1: I can't be as I suppose. I can't. You want something,
Speaker 1: I'm wrong because I'm lately doing the Goldbergs. I'm huge
Speaker 1: on the Goldbergs and that's single camera, single I'm huge,
Speaker 1: and but the the premise the character is written, I'm
Speaker 1: ill servant about Jim Hobart. Though. Is Tim Hobart running
Speaker 1: the Goldbergs? What is Tim Hobert working on the Goldbergs?
Speaker 1: Are running the Goldbergs? No? No, no, Tim Hobert did
Speaker 1: that wonderful show The Middle. Yeah, he ran The Middle.
Speaker 1: And I came on as a guest, and uh Lee
Speaker 1: Sallet Semo, who I adore, came on and wanted my
Speaker 1: character to be a little larger. And I went, Lee,
Speaker 1: I don't do that anymore, and she sort of said,
Speaker 1: I know, but do it. And so I had. I
Speaker 1: became larger for a single camera and it didn't feel comfortable.
Speaker 1: The person I was acting opposite was should be big.
Speaker 1: I should be small so that she could be big.
Speaker 1: Now we were both big. Not my cup of tea.
Speaker 1: But I said, I know the genre, I know what
Speaker 1: it had to be. I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1: I agree with I agree with you. You can't The
Speaker 1: second if you if you watch Scrubs. Of course there's
Speaker 1: times and we're for example down I are both big,
Speaker 1: but usually we're riding a line where one person has
Speaker 1: the license to be the water of the two, because
Speaker 1: you can't because if it's it's it's if you're both
Speaker 1: on that level, then it doesn't feel is right. And John,
Speaker 1: of course was written to be ridiculously outsized. You know
Speaker 1: John McGinley, he was. He was huge with it. Even
Speaker 1: if he was small, it was it was that was
Speaker 1: that huge, you know, is he was that the dneck
Speaker 1: And uh, there are larger characters on the show, which
Speaker 1: major shows so wonderful, and there are enormous situations where
Speaker 1: if you treat it realistically, they are that much funnier.
Speaker 1: So sometimes you're acting with uh with with the script.
Speaker 1: But but I always thought that the audience was the
Speaker 1: third member of the scene. And you do that with
Speaker 1: in theater, and you do that in sitcoms in four camera,
Speaker 1: but you don't do it on Scrubs. I've never, I've never,
Speaker 1: I've done guest spots on the sitcoms. I did Donald's
Speaker 1: and I and we did we did a spoof of
Speaker 1: one on on the show scrubs. But I I've never
Speaker 1: done it. I think that I would. The theater guy
Speaker 1: in me would would probably have a lot of fun
Speaker 1: doing it. It's a lot of fun. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. This is my experience with it. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. On show night. I can't sleep after
Speaker 1: a show. It's so oh. But that's what theater is,
Speaker 1: right right, every actor goes out and has a drink
Speaker 1: or two after because who goes home from work after
Speaker 1: having all of this energy? You just don't go and
Speaker 1: you know what it's it's it's ten thirty, go home
Speaker 1: and go to sleep. You don't you go out and
Speaker 1: you have to let you have to let off steam
Speaker 1: after a day's work. Even even after, even after the
Speaker 1: drink and I got home, I was still like it
Speaker 1: was still still up. And But the thing about about
Speaker 1: theater is it is a person's life compressed into two
Speaker 1: and a half hours. I call it a little piece
Speaker 1: of shampoo. It's this much, it's two and a half hours.
Speaker 1: But to rub it and all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 1: just all of this ladder, it's it's huge, all in
Speaker 1: this little dot, and it's it's uh. It takes a
Speaker 1: lot to come down and when you do a show,
Speaker 1: you are on in northern Energy. But I gotta ask you.
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you this man, When you do plays
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, don't you find that more gratifying
Speaker 1: than doing fulfilling, I should say, than doing movies and
Speaker 1: TV and stuff like that. Like I cry at the
Speaker 1: end when I'm done with a play. For some reason,
Speaker 1: I'm crying at the end of it. I don't feel
Speaker 1: that way necessarily when I'm doing TV shows or when
Speaker 1: I'm doing movies and stuff like that, But at the
Speaker 1: end of a play, it just feels like, holy cow,
Speaker 1: what a release. Bill Lawrence got very insulted properly about
Speaker 1: the story that I'm about to tell. And I didn't
Speaker 1: mean it this way, but I used to call TV
Speaker 1: was my waiter's job, so that I could afford to
Speaker 1: do a play. Yeah, TV gave me the wherewithal the
Speaker 1: money to raise children, have a house, eat so that
Speaker 1: I could go and starve. Because no matter what play
Speaker 1: you're doing, even if you're the highest paid person on stage,
Speaker 1: you're not making the money that TV and movie pays.
Speaker 1: And so I said, it's my waiter's job, and he
Speaker 1: took it like TV is a second rate job. It's
Speaker 1: not if you are lucky enough to be doing first
Speaker 1: rate material. Yeah, of course whatever. However, I get more
Speaker 1: satisfaction doing plays. I am. I'm thrilled in the rehearsal,
Speaker 1: in fact, just doing I don't have to do a
Speaker 1: play for longer than a month. I like rehearsing better.
Speaker 1: I agree when I did, when I did my six
Speaker 1: months run on Broadway and it ended, it was very sad,
Speaker 1: but I remember like collapsing on the ground, being like
Speaker 1: six months was fine. I'm fine. It's this is it's look,
Speaker 1: it's not the salt minds. And it's also like going
Speaker 1: to the gym. Uh, you know how going getting to
Speaker 1: the gym, oh my god, oh my god. But after
Speaker 1: the workout you're happy you didn't. Getting to the theater
Speaker 1: is oh christ, this guy again, this life again, this
Speaker 1: show again. But then you do it and the show
Speaker 1: is over and you're happy. And the camaraderie nothing nothing,
Speaker 1: I think Donald, one of the reasons you're trying is
Speaker 1: that nothing, even nothing in film and TV, matches the
Speaker 1: camaraderie of of doing a play with a group of
Speaker 1: people absolutely, because you're on you're on the line. Together. Man,
Speaker 1: you're on it together together. One person falls, somebody has
Speaker 1: to pull that person back or the play is gonna
Speaker 1: fall apart. Every it'll fall apart. And when I did
Speaker 1: Summer Stock when I was a kid, and we did
Speaker 1: like fourteen fifteen weeks, it was it was huge and
Speaker 1: with the same cast. It was all a repertory company,
Speaker 1: and we we were so close, and for a year
Speaker 1: or two we were so close. I've I don't keep
Speaker 1: in touch with one of them. But I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I said, these people will be my friends for the
Speaker 1: rest of my life, and then they don't. And well,
Speaker 1: well sometimes they do. Sometimes I take that back to
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know about the like I did
Speaker 1: a play at the Old Globe in uh in San Diego,
Speaker 1: Picasso at the La Panagiel it's the Steve Martin play
Speaker 1: it sure and with with with we said, huh No,
Speaker 1: I did it with Justin Long with Justin Long, Was
Speaker 1: Dan Testlonetta in it? No, none of these people were.
Speaker 1: Well then I know nothing of what it was it was,
Speaker 1: but it was anyway. So we did a play there
Speaker 1: and I just remember thinking, well, I really like these guys.
Speaker 1: I hope we hang out after this, and we do.
Speaker 1: I still talk to these guys, you know what. I
Speaker 1: still Justin and I we face time every now and then.
Speaker 1: Like I know, I knew if I brought this up,
Speaker 1: you would get upset. I want to hear about your
Speaker 1: relationship with Justin Long. I'm still close with all the
Speaker 1: guys City and you are obviously close with all the
Speaker 1: guys from Scrubs. No person, of course. And I and I,
Speaker 1: you know, there's people from the Bullets show and other
Speaker 1: shows that I that I you know, we don't see
Speaker 1: them that much, but we text and look a time.
Speaker 1: So we want to let you go. But I let
Speaker 1: you go. But but then I will say, and uh
Speaker 1: I said this to you in in a text or email,
Speaker 1: But uh At, you are a great man. You're You're
Speaker 1: great at what you do. But I know the history
Speaker 1: that you had with your co star, and you are great.
Speaker 1: You were a good, good man. I'm talking about your
Speaker 1: co star in Bullets and I'm well aware of your
Speaker 1: goodness and your kindness, and anybody wants to look it up.
Speaker 1: We won't talk because it's so serious, but you are
Speaker 1: a great man. Well, thank you, sir. All I've done
Speaker 1: is stand by um my friends, which I which I
Speaker 1: hope that we we all would do. Um. We also
Speaker 1: if someone we love is is in is in need
Speaker 1: that I think we all aspire to be the person
Speaker 1: that will show up. Yeah, listen, I want to I
Speaker 1: want to thank you. Um sir, we it is no
Speaker 1: smoke to say that we genuinely admire you and look
Speaker 1: up to you and quote you all the time. I mean,
Speaker 1: Donald and Bill and I will be together on just
Speaker 1: all of a sudden be like I have Yaba. Was
Speaker 1: waiting for that word, I like you. I always forget it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we know that. And then you go, you go, your
Speaker 1: you go, you go, you go, I have I have
Speaker 1: Yama and and Cox goes. Really have you been around? Um?
Speaker 1: This this rare type of monkey. That's the only person
Speaker 1: to give that to you in in Africa and you go,
Speaker 1: I have been to the zoo. Continue. First of all,
Speaker 1: that is also the genius of Bill, who can write
Speaker 1: for me, who wrote brilliantly for me, and to choose
Speaker 1: the vowels that I can make a meal with. A
Speaker 1: lot of people do do an impression of me. I
Speaker 1: can't do an impression of me, except that I used
Speaker 1: to be a recurring character on the show called the
Speaker 1: commission and uh somebody when I was at a poker
Speaker 1: game and they said, are you're gonna be here next week?
Speaker 1: And I go, I can't. I'm doing a commission. Impressive
Speaker 1: I can do with me. I can't do me. But
Speaker 1: when I when I say it, where it's those are
Speaker 1: the bowels that are so your timing. There was an
Speaker 1: episode last week we did where you were the janitors
Speaker 1: trying to get you to conspire with him and and
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, if you you know do x y Z,
Speaker 1: I can help you, and you kind of look up
Speaker 1: and there's a long pause and you go go on,
Speaker 1: it's just too fucking syllables, and it's funny. And the one,
Speaker 1: the one that's really great is when he walks into
Speaker 1: the room and he's complaining about everything and they close
Speaker 1: the curtain on him and Cock says to him, uh,
Speaker 1: you know this is gonna cost you your your insurance
Speaker 1: is gonna pay for this. And you imp and you're
Speaker 1: fully dressed. I remember that that. I do remember. How
Speaker 1: did you do that without a cowboy, without a cowboy switch?
Speaker 1: How did they do that? Because it's done so well,
Speaker 1: it's not there's no cut. There must have been people
Speaker 1: back there helping you because it's literally like a it's
Speaker 1: like a four second change. It's hilarious. Is that crazy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Here's what I wanted to say about Bill, and I
Speaker 1: mean this, He started with Spin City, took it to
Speaker 1: a greater extreme with you guys. Two page, three page
Speaker 1: scenes that add up to a story that that was
Speaker 1: never done before. And when you get things like thirty
Speaker 1: Rock and and successive shows. It started with Bill and
Speaker 1: it started on Spin City a little bit, but it
Speaker 1: really continued with you guys. He is the creator. He
Speaker 1: is the mind behind the new thing because he was
Speaker 1: young and attention spans cameras, but that's what he did.
Speaker 1: He was He created that and it's abstounding the what
Speaker 1: he did. And I don't think anybody credits him. They
Speaker 1: all credit him with being great and you know, and
Speaker 1: and and and super successful and commercial, but he did
Speaker 1: that with you. I agree with you. I don't think
Speaker 1: Bill gets the credit he deserves. I mean he's not
Speaker 1: at all. Maybe now with ted Lasso, because guess what,
Speaker 1: on Sunday he might win the Golden Globe. Oh that
Speaker 1: would be great. I love ted Lasso. It's it's wonderful.
Speaker 1: Episode two is your favorite, wasn't it? Because that's the
Speaker 1: one I directed? It was. I did like it. I
Speaker 1: do know that that you directed it. I actually do
Speaker 1: because I have a feeling you two is gonna work
Speaker 1: together soon. I have a feeling. Way are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: There's not if someone if I'm directing something and there's
Speaker 1: something he's right for, I I literally request him. I said,
Speaker 1: you have to ask Richard if he's available, and I'll shave.
Speaker 1: I will shave. I will let you go, sir with
Speaker 1: your tea time. But thank you so much. I love
Speaker 1: you both. I don't know Daniel now, but great to
Speaker 1: see you guys. Thank you by buddy care Richard. Let's
Speaker 1: take a break. We'll be right back after these fine words.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't stop laughing you guys. Daniel
Speaker 1: and I were messaging while we were listening, and I
Speaker 1: was like, it's so rare, you just to sit back
Speaker 1: and listen and while you're recording. That was that you guys.
Speaker 1: He had like nine thouns and more stories to tell.
Speaker 1: But I was like, we promised we'd get him up
Speaker 1: for his tea time. I'm Mike shake. We have to
Speaker 1: see if he can come back and tell us my
Speaker 1: stories he's got He's got so many stories, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: because he's just a journeyman actor who's been in a
Speaker 1: zillion things. But I really want everybody out there who
Speaker 1: is an actor and who is coming up and everything.
Speaker 1: Just listen. If you if this podcast did anything for
Speaker 1: you today, rewind to when he's talking about auditions. That is,
Speaker 1: those are jewels. Those are gyms given to you from
Speaker 1: Richard Kind. And I'm telling you right now, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use them. I'm gonna stell a lot of
Speaker 1: the stuff you mean to me too. And by the way,
Speaker 1: you don't even have to be an actor. It's about
Speaker 1: if you're going into a job interview, if you're going
Speaker 1: into a big meeting, it's about like the just mind
Speaker 1: you're gonna mind funk yourself one way or the other.
Speaker 1: Why not mind funk yourself into like I'm a badass
Speaker 1: and you guys are gonna be fucking lucky to have me.
Speaker 1: By the way, you're saying this in your mind, not outline.
Speaker 1: We don't want you writing this being like I said
Speaker 1: it out loud, like you said I walked into the
Speaker 1: audition give me this part because you know I'm the
Speaker 1: one who's going to make you the most money. Doesn't
Speaker 1: work out of your mouth? All right? Well listen obviously,
Speaker 1: because Richard hadn't seen the episode, which was a ultimate
Speaker 1: blessing in disguise because we got to talk about so
Speaker 1: much more. We'll we'll do this episode next time, right Joel,
Speaker 1: and then and we'll just call this conversation with Richard
Speaker 1: kind Um, I want to dandle. This gives us a
Speaker 1: chance to do a rap if you want to do one, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll try. This episode was very funny, by the way.
Speaker 1: I had some great moments. I laughed out loud of bunch. Donald,
Speaker 1: I just have to say when you say, um, let's
Speaker 1: not get into it. Let me just say one thing.
Speaker 1: When you're with the heavy set gal and you're pushed
Speaker 1: into the mattress and it's not it's not a fantasy
Speaker 1: she has. She has in real life pushed you down
Speaker 1: into the mattress. That was funny. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: something right now. I love the fact that Turk likes BBW.
Speaker 1: That's a beautiful thing. Baby. Yeah, well I like BBW. Two. Listen, Donald, Um,
Speaker 1: we have to tell everyone our big news. Should we
Speaker 1: tell everyone our big news? We're doing We're doing so.
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to be to get to
Speaker 1: one to the time. You're fine, no, no, no, leave it, Daniel,
Speaker 1: UM listen. It is one of my child's dreams. I
Speaker 1: never thought in my life that I would get to
Speaker 1: be on Family Feud. And I'm talking. I used to
Speaker 1: watch back in the day when Richard Dawson was like
Speaker 1: groping people. Um now but but now, Steve Harvey. My
Speaker 1: one of my life goals is to say something on
Speaker 1: Family Feud that will make Steve Harvey do his classic
Speaker 1: dead pan look away. And we have been contacted. I
Speaker 1: don't know how many podcasts have been on Family Feud
Speaker 1: before I heard The Office Ladies, but I don't know
Speaker 1: how many others. But the four of Us and Bill
Speaker 1: because it's five players are going to represent fake doctors,
Speaker 1: real friends on Family Feud. Amazing. I'm so Daniel thunders
Speaker 1: the thunders of blood at Daniel. I know you're particularly
Speaker 1: geeked about this. Can you tell us what you're feeling?
Speaker 1: Don't do that, family you dude, don't do that. Look
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'll tell you this in my head
Speaker 1: there are moments when I'm about to encounter someone that
Speaker 1: I admire or that I'm a really big fan of,
Speaker 1: and I take a second and I think about what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say before I get there. And you know that,
Speaker 1: for however long until we get on Family Feud, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be running through everything that I'm going to
Speaker 1: be saying this department before we step on that stage,
Speaker 1: because I am truly beyond geek that's such a huge
Speaker 1: fan of game shows and watching Family Feud and all
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, like, you know, a story from
Speaker 1: the tour bus when Ian, when me and my best
Speaker 1: friend were on tour as Gladiator, that was what we
Speaker 1: would watch on the tour bus. We would watch Family
Speaker 1: Feud with everybody, just back to back to back to back.
Speaker 1: It was our favorite thing. And this is like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm so thankful, I really can't even We gotta win, guys,
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, you know when we come
Speaker 1: out of the huddle, we gotta be clapping and you
Speaker 1: notice saying, you know, you guys say good answer answer, answer, yeah, Donald,
Speaker 1: your good answer. Okay, Because I've watched Family Feud before
Speaker 1: when somebody said of something and everybody was supportive, saying
Speaker 1: good answer, good answer. No, but you've got to be supportive.
Speaker 1: I want to be able to say that's not a
Speaker 1: good answer if somebody says something dumb, even if it's me,
Speaker 1: I want to be like, that's not a good answer.
Speaker 1: I got. I'm so excited you guys. When I found
Speaker 1: out this news, I was like, this is this is
Speaker 1: a little piece of you know, in this pandemic, a
Speaker 1: little jewel of something that is so exciting to me.
Speaker 1: We gotta figure out who we're gonna be up against.
Speaker 1: M that's a I mean, well, no, they pitched I
Speaker 1: don't want to tell who, but they pitched a couple
Speaker 1: of people that are already in the slots. And or
Speaker 1: they said, if you have a team that that you
Speaker 1: guys want to pitch to go up against where or
Speaker 1: where our ears are open. So I don't know. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I think the obvious choices. We go up against something
Speaker 1: that's very similar to scrubs. I know Office Ladies wol
Speaker 1: have been perfect, but they've already done it. Apparently, one
Speaker 1: of my Instagram followers told me that the Office Ladies
Speaker 1: was up against Scott Foley's actual family. They were I
Speaker 1: watch that episode. Yeah, maybe we should, we should go
Speaker 1: again Scott family. Scott Foley's actual family is a bunch
Speaker 1: of famous people. Then his wife, his sister in law,
Speaker 1: his his brother in law. Yeah, they're all they're all
Speaker 1: very good. Well, we want to we want to go
Speaker 1: again people that will be funny, because that's what makes
Speaker 1: the whole show funny. Want we want we don't want.
Speaker 1: We don't want a dud. No, no, I'm not saying folly.
Speaker 1: I'm saying we want to. We want the other team
Speaker 1: to be funny because you know, most importantly, we want
Speaker 1: our episode to be hilarious. Right, absolutely, we want the
Speaker 1: funniest family. Everybody says, right, oh my god, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: Do you think Steve Harvey will let me touch his mustache? No? Not, huh?
Speaker 1: What if? What if I put on a glove? I
Speaker 1: think that's a good idea. If you want to deadpans stare, though,
Speaker 1: that's how you get it. That is how you get it,
Speaker 1: touch the mustache. And you probably watch more episodes than
Speaker 1: any of us, do you know the best way to
Speaker 1: You just say something outrageous to get the dead pan stare,
Speaker 1: usually actual, usually within sexual When you went to bing
Speaker 1: there you go. Look, I'm gonna do my impression on
Speaker 1: it for you guys. You gotta do the open mouth
Speaker 1: one too, an open mouth one, I said when we
Speaker 1: found out, you guys listening. When we found out, I
Speaker 1: sent all these guys all my favorite Steve Harvey gifts. Incredible.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited by the way. There's a Scrubs tie
Speaker 1: in because on like episode whatever is it four or something,
Speaker 1: we we cut to when Louis Anderson was hosting. We cut,
Speaker 1: we cut to that we were on the show for boobs.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with boobs. Wasn't that episode was fantasy?
Speaker 1: I was. I was very upset about it. I even
Speaker 1: spoke about it on the podcast. All right, so look
Speaker 1: next week, I guess Thursday for you guys, because this
Speaker 1: is for Tuesdays. Thursday, we will dive into the episode
Speaker 1: that we were supposed to dive into today. Um all right, Um. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: other news, UM, don't forget to mark your calendars for March.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do a live show that's gonna be amazing.
Speaker 1: I had a really good idea for a musical guest
Speaker 1: that I'll tell you guys secretly. Friday, fielding to on
Speaker 1: Tuesday Friday. Tickets for the live event we'll be going
Speaker 1: on sale Friday. But that's exciting. Yeah. Now, are we
Speaker 1: going to cap the audience? This is something we haven't
Speaker 1: talked about. Why would we cap them? Well, I mean
Speaker 1: special event, man, you, I mean, if you if there's
Speaker 1: two schools of thought. One is just like, let anyone
Speaker 1: in the world who wants to come in want Toby ticket,
Speaker 1: you come in. And then the other school of thought
Speaker 1: is like, no, let's make it special and and and
Speaker 1: limit the amount of people in the quote unquote theater
Speaker 1: like you would if you were touring. I think the
Speaker 1: great thing about a virtual tour is that everybody can
Speaker 1: join in. All right, So you talked, we talked about
Speaker 1: O two and all of that stuff. There's no way
Speaker 1: you can do O two numbers if we cap. But
Speaker 1: what about the supreme model of selling clothing where it's like, sorry, guys,
Speaker 1: we only had a thousand seats. The last thing I
Speaker 1: want to do, yeah, the first real live show, small
Speaker 1: intimate theater. Okay, so maybe if we go forward we
Speaker 1: do bespoke ones. Yeah. I think this one. I think
Speaker 1: this is for everybody. All our listeners want this, and
Speaker 1: so we should give them the opportunity. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you don't want this, I would employ you to
Speaker 1: change your mind. It's gonna things are gonna happen then.
Speaker 1: First of all, things are going to happen that don't
Speaker 1: happen on the show. Oh yeah, you think. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a musical guest. At least we're gonna interact
Speaker 1: with our fans. You're gonna they're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: look at our faces. Donald will show his melted her.
Speaker 1: She's kisses that. By March, which is one month from today,
Speaker 1: I'm hoping to have abs, So maybe maybe I'll show
Speaker 1: you them. Maybe if I listen, if I dropped a
Speaker 1: few more pounds, I will show melt at her she's kissing. You.
Speaker 1: Guys can hear you, Guys can hear about what the
Speaker 1: what it's all about? You can you know what else
Speaker 1: we can do? As a pitch, I'll tell the audience
Speaker 1: this pitch that I think you might like shafter Balls.
Speaker 1: You know he's speaking of shafter Balls. This is kind
Speaker 1: of like our only fans. We're doing an only fans event. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's like shafter Balls, except we're not going to
Speaker 1: show you know, balloon n um. I wanted to say
Speaker 1: that maybe we sing Gilve No, no, no, no, because
Speaker 1: we sc You're scared. You're scared. You think I'm scared
Speaker 1: to sing? You scured? You can sing guy love right now.
Speaker 1: It's not that's for the special event. Dick nick, dick,
Speaker 1: it's not a big deal. You rub your neck. I'm
Speaker 1: a dick nick, So that means my face is the
Speaker 1: what the head? The tip? Can you rub your neck
Speaker 1: and you look like a giraffe when that ship grows,
Speaker 1: look like when it grows? Yeah, when he's oh, I
Speaker 1: hope it's a little girth the yet, Yeah, your dick
Speaker 1: neck has a lot more gir the go all our sponsors.
Speaker 1: All right, listen, let's get out of here while we're ahead. Joel,
Speaker 1: You're right, don't worry, Joel. You can unpause rebels any moment. Listen, guys,
Speaker 1: did you watch one division? I'm not caught up. Don't
Speaker 1: say a word. Yeah, did you watch week? Did you
Speaker 1: watch it? Watched last week's I haven't watched last night's. No.
Speaker 1: Donald's kind of guy that gets up in the morning
Speaker 1: and watch it. We my wife and I watched it
Speaker 1: this morning because we had the kids were at school
Speaker 1: and we had a little bit of time before the podcast,
Speaker 1: and and uh who sorry, I mean leave it at that,
Speaker 1: get your baby back on the nipple. I'll do it.
Speaker 1: I'll do it, easy, easy there, It is all right.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a kid. There's gonna be a kid
Speaker 1: that hears that. One day. It's gonna be like, I'm
Speaker 1: so troubled. That just reminds me of my mom's teeth.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about Zack's voice, but
Speaker 1: it reminds me of suckling on my mom's teeth. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's end this. That was awesome. That was
Speaker 1: such a surprise, and it's such a great example of
Speaker 1: how like when the second he said he hadn't seen
Speaker 1: the episode, I was like a rhet row and then
Speaker 1: I was That was one of the most entertaining guests
Speaker 1: we've had. Um. Yeah, he has so many stories, man.
Speaker 1: And the next time we got to ask about the
Speaker 1: Clooney all his Clooney uh an, because he's Clooney's best
Speaker 1: friend and they and he and and he was Clooney
Speaker 1: was best man at his wedding and I'm sure they
Speaker 1: have a lot of adventures, so that that will get
Speaker 1: Richard to tell I cannot stress this enough. The jewels
Speaker 1: that he left, We're sacred, and so please, if you
Speaker 1: are in business and you have fear of walking into
Speaker 1: rooms and being in front of people, or if you
Speaker 1: need a new anecdote because the old one is not
Speaker 1: working anymore, rewind this episode. Great talk with Richard kind. Guys.
Speaker 1: All right, we love you all and um see you
Speaker 1: next time. Next stories about sure we made about a
Speaker 1: bunch of doctor nurses and janitor who love me. I said,
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