Speaker 1: Uh, do do do? Sophie? Is that an introduction? I
Speaker 1: mean it is because you did it so well. Welcome
Speaker 1: to America. And also the podcasts, Robert, what what I
Speaker 1: feel like you're from. I feel like you're turning from
Speaker 1: podcast Daddy into podcast uncle. And the vibes are just
Speaker 1: a few like do did he do do? And then
Speaker 1: again it's like and also if you look at him,
Speaker 1: his nose is all pink right now. Yeah, is huge
Speaker 1: uncle vibes. Thank you, thank you. We are back and
Speaker 1: we're going to be talking today as we did one
Speaker 1: of the last times. We talked about Ben Shapiro's two
Speaker 1: thousand and thirteen book Porn Generation, how liberalism is corrupt
Speaker 1: in our future. Yeah, we're back when we're dryer than ever. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Where are we are boned? Right now? Sophia. Obviously, because
Speaker 1: I returned the kindle edition of Ben's book last time,
Speaker 1: I had to go get it again, and as I
Speaker 1: was typing into Google, I mistyped the title because it's
Speaker 1: Porn Generation. I typed generation sex into the title, and
Speaker 1: lo and behold, I got a result four A beIN
Speaker 1: Shapiro book from two thousand and five. Now, when I
Speaker 1: look at it, on Amazon's called Generation Sex Explode, exposing
Speaker 1: the full frontal assault on American innocence. I, um, you know,
Speaker 1: the only thing, the only person that knows less about
Speaker 1: pleasing a woman than present day adult Ben Shapiro is
Speaker 1: sixteen year old past yeah, yeah, fucking child Ben Shapiro. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know how when I look forward to finding
Speaker 1: out how he hedgehogged a bunch of ladies services while fingering,
Speaker 1: because you not know how to fucking curve his fingers,
Speaker 1: so he would have been what one would have been,
Speaker 1: twenty one year old Ben Shapiro. Don't trust him, don't
Speaker 1: don't let him near anywhere near revolva. What are you doing?
Speaker 1: Certainly not? Um, I don't want him exposing anything of himself.
Speaker 1: But he published this apparently in two thousand five. It's
Speaker 1: three to twenty pages, published by Thomas Nelson, Inc. Amazon
Speaker 1: says that there was only a hardcover available and the
Speaker 1: book is currently unavailable. They don't know when it will
Speaker 1: be back in stock. If you haunted on eBay, if
Speaker 1: you have a copy or find a copy of Ben
Speaker 1: Shapiro's two thousand five book, Generation Sex. Sophia and I
Speaker 1: and I think we can speak for Cody Johnston in
Speaker 1: this would would very much appreciate getting our hands on
Speaker 1: that little bastard um the you mean, Ben Shapiro, we
Speaker 1: mean no, we mean I do want to read the
Speaker 1: good Reads summary of this book because I found that
Speaker 1: so let's let's let's dive in American society, according to
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro, is a sex machine. From movies to sitcom's
Speaker 1: rap to rock teen mags to porno rags, American culture
Speaker 1: has become a pusher of promiscuity and perversion, and in
Speaker 1: this sharp, audacious, fearless book, Shapiro, the most prominent young
Speaker 1: conservative in the nation, reveals the gross over sexualization of
Speaker 1: our society and how it targets youth culture from early
Speaker 1: education or rather indoctrine nation, to the disastrous world of
Speaker 1: sex lust and immorality that pervades our high schools, colleges,
Speaker 1: and beyond. By clearly identifying the problems many unnotice or
Speaker 1: ignored of an out of control MTV culture, overly sexual
Speaker 1: ad campaigns, and an overly permissive mainstream media, Shapiro illustrates
Speaker 1: the dangers and devastating consequences a waiting today's kids, who
Speaker 1: are in essence being sexually assaulted on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: Shapiro also provides real, solid, and often drastic solutions for
Speaker 1: what we can and must do to stop the corruption
Speaker 1: of America's youth. God damn, I'm sorry sexually assaulted. That
Speaker 1: is deranged, among other things. How out of touch do
Speaker 1: you have to be in two thousand five to think
Speaker 1: that MTV is a major force in youth culture? Again
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, I remember too, I was in
Speaker 1: high school in two thousand five. I don't know anybody
Speaker 1: who watched MTV except for like my gin x cousins. Okay,
Speaker 1: I was in college. That hurts, But the point is, yes,
Speaker 1: that's yes, simply out of touch. And also I I
Speaker 1: cannot imagine being more out of touch than referring to
Speaker 1: anything as a sex machine when you're to any one
Speaker 1: years old. I mean, and I know he was like,
Speaker 1: this is a fucking killer pun Like, this is fucking sick.
Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna want to be my best friend. It's it's
Speaker 1: really gonna blow up my social calendar. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: And again, as we've noted, like his his premise is
Speaker 1: as inaccurate here as it is in his two thirteen book,
Speaker 1: Like Young Young People Are less promiscuous than previous generations
Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons which we don't need to
Speaker 1: litigate now, but the data is incredibly consistent on that point. Um.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's I I want to read this book. Uh.
Speaker 1: There's something horrific to be said about the fact that
Speaker 1: he he talks about how kids being exposed to I'm
Speaker 1: guessing Janet Jackson's boobs at the Super Bowl, um, are
Speaker 1: being sexually assaulted. Um. The fact that he considers I
Speaker 1: don't know, everyone not wearing Puritan garb to be sexual
Speaker 1: assault is offensive for a lot of reasons and says
Speaker 1: a lot about Ben Shapiro's mindset. But yeah, so I
Speaker 1: just love the life experiences, um of a man that
Speaker 1: have been so sheltered and adorable that he can use
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted phrase so liberally without thinking about it even
Speaker 1: a little bit. Anyway, Generation sex On on good Reads
Speaker 1: has twelve ratings, an average of two point five eight
Speaker 1: out of five. Um, it sounds like a good book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a lot higher. That means someone went over to.
Speaker 1: That does mean someone went over to. That's not good
Speaker 1: news for us. And you read the most positive review,
Speaker 1: please eitherre are no positive reviews that are written like
Speaker 1: the three written reviews are cowards review of Just There.
Speaker 1: I think a bunch of people gave it two stars
Speaker 1: and Ben gave it live Like I think, I think
Speaker 1: that's probably what happened. Realistic. Yeah, it sounds like our
Speaker 1: old are our good lad been Shapiro. But now it's
Speaker 1: probably time that we, uh we dive into porn generation.
Speaker 1: We do this, we get face deep in the porn generation.
Speaker 1: You think we could all get time saved. Ben Shaparrow
Speaker 1: just admitted he was bad at sex. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not that he's bad at sex, it's that he's terrified
Speaker 1: of it in in a manner that like completely to
Speaker 1: use an old term completely, like, uh, he's he's clearly
Speaker 1: deeply frightened by the idea that other people enjoy sex.
Speaker 1: Like that's what's going on with Ben Shapiro. Um, he's
Speaker 1: he is scared that there are people out there fucking
Speaker 1: and enjoying it. And I think he's scared don't get it.
Speaker 1: And the only thing to do when you don't get
Speaker 1: something is to hate it. Yeah, Yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's he's just on the edge of being of the
Speaker 1: in cell mindset in a lot of ways, like like
Speaker 1: he's framing it as like everybody's having all this sex
Speaker 1: and it's like super immoral and it's it's damaging society.
Speaker 1: And the in cell line is that like a small
Speaker 1: number of like hyper sexual men are having sex with
Speaker 1: all of the women, and women just want to take
Speaker 1: all of the big chad. Like that's that's the in
Speaker 1: cell line. And Bins is you know, away from that line,
Speaker 1: but but not that far, and some of it's just
Speaker 1: using slightly different terms. Um. And I think that also
Speaker 1: ties into like the fear of like trans people and
Speaker 1: queer culture in general, because like, can you imagine that
Speaker 1: not only are people having sex and enjoying themselves, but
Speaker 1: they might be doing it in a way that he
Speaker 1: has not thought of yet. Yeah, and I think that
Speaker 1: I'm sure if no one told him about going down
Speaker 1: on women, he like would have never considered it. Not
Speaker 1: that he considers it now, I mean like it just
Speaker 1: wouldn't occur to him. I am certain that he thinks
Speaker 1: it should be illegal to perform moral sex. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he also thinks butts should be illegal. Yeah, he definitely
Speaker 1: thinks but should be illegal. Um. Alright, So I was
Speaker 1: just looking into Um. One of the sources been so like,
Speaker 1: after you remember when we were talking last time, we
Speaker 1: kind of ended on been been talking about this young woman, Katie,
Speaker 1: who he interviewed about sex said, who was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was fine. I felt like I got good sex.
Speaker 1: Said I didn't have sex until I was like, you know, nineteen,
Speaker 1: and they broke Katie Yeah, and yeah. Ben was like, look,
Speaker 1: I mean sure she's well adjusted and successful in doing
Speaker 1: well at an Ivy League institution, but what other damage
Speaker 1: could there be that we can't see? Like okay, So
Speaker 1: he goes from like he talks about Katie and like
Speaker 1: how like he's got this like his actual case study
Speaker 1: of someone who went through this sex said He's horrified
Speaker 1: by that, Like, yeah, you know, eventually I had sex
Speaker 1: and it was fine, and I feel good about, you know,
Speaker 1: healthy about where I am, and she seems to be
Speaker 1: doing great, and so like the case study he brings
Speaker 1: up to to point out how bad all this actually
Speaker 1: is is a book by Tom Wolfe without a fictional
Speaker 1: girl named Charlotte Simmons Um and I read into this.
Speaker 1: We we made fun of the fact last time, just
Speaker 1: that like he's he's arguing that like this is evidence
Speaker 1: of how teens actually are. This book written by a
Speaker 1: man who was in his sixties when he published this
Speaker 1: book and two and it's also I read more about
Speaker 1: it because it's like one of the most panned and
Speaker 1: hated Tom wolf books. So like this book about young
Speaker 1: people like nineteen year olds in two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: written by Tom Wolfe. Everyone has a pager and the
Speaker 1: Internet has never mentioned. Look, no one knows more about
Speaker 1: young people than old people. Everybody, Tom wolf It's very funny. Um. So,
Speaker 1: one of the people he brings into the source after
Speaker 1: the is a khaim awitz Um who is the author
Speaker 1: of a book called Ready or Not Why treating children
Speaker 1: as small adults endangers their future and ours? Um and
Speaker 1: she uh. I kind of looked into this lady a
Speaker 1: little bit, um like by a little bit being her
Speaker 1: Wikipedia um and I found a couple of quotes from
Speaker 1: her articles that people have pulled out. Here's one from
Speaker 1: a Wall Street Journal editorial. Marital breakdown is not rampant
Speaker 1: across the land. It is concentrated among low income in
Speaker 1: black couples. Americans seem to have a lot of trouble
Speaker 1: grasping this fact, probably because so much public space is
Speaker 1: taken up by politicians, celebrities, and journalists. With marriage on
Speaker 1: the skids. Um. She argues that like, uh, divorces declining
Speaker 1: among well educated white people, um, and that couples are
Speaker 1: happier than ever, um, which I don't think the evidence suggests. Yeah. Um, well,
Speaker 1: I mean the divorce rate in recent years has been declining.
Speaker 1: It was not in two thousand. Uh, but I believe
Speaker 1: where fewer people are getting married, yes, a lot fewer
Speaker 1: people account for blessed divorced kind of um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he cites uh. Shortly after he's talking about Katie, he
Speaker 1: cites Kajimowitz's book Ready or Not What Happens when we
Speaker 1: treat children as small adults, And in that k argues
Speaker 1: that anti culturalists are people who believe that childhood sexuality,
Speaker 1: left on its own, free of social interference, will flourish
Speaker 1: and grow in healthy ways. So like that's her attitude,
Speaker 1: is that, like if you just let kids kind of
Speaker 1: do what comes naturally, um and provided with information perverts, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's anti cultural to do that. It's anti cultural to
Speaker 1: not try and take control of the direction of your
Speaker 1: child sexuality and dictate it um. And then been quotes
Speaker 1: a long passage from K's Terrible Book, drained of all
Speaker 1: feeling but physical pleasure, rationalized into philo facts. Personal organizer
Speaker 1: entries the sex given to us by this ministry is
Speaker 1: a little more than techno fantasy. They do not see
Speaker 1: the alternate least insecure are in grandiose, idealistic conclude perpetually
Speaker 1: glandular teenager. Most of us know their teenager, like that
Speaker 1: of so many other experts, is rational, self aware, and autonomous.
Speaker 1: Information is all these kids need, they say, information and
Speaker 1: some d programming to counteract society's continuing efforts to pervert
Speaker 1: their healthy sexual natures. So now we have a nation
Speaker 1: of teenagers who are information rich but knowledge poor. They
Speaker 1: and their ten year old brothers and sisters, for that matter,
Speaker 1: maybe adults when it comes to technical information. Certainly, their
Speaker 1: putitive sophistication about sexual matters is the subject of endless
Speaker 1: headshaking by parents in the media. But as they approach
Speaker 1: graduation in the anti cultural school of self sufficiency, they
Speaker 1: remain predictably illiterate when it comes to real human connection. Okay,
Speaker 1: so the reason why face looks like this is because
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to get over perpetually glandular glanduli. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's this idea like teens are so controlled by their
Speaker 1: their emotions and so that you have to that you
Speaker 1: have to parents have to have total control over them.
Speaker 1: This idea that like my my parents had that like,
Speaker 1: as your parent, it is my job to exercise total
Speaker 1: control over you. If I think you're doing something that's
Speaker 1: not healthy, which is bad and makes your kids not
Speaker 1: want to talk to you for years, by the way,
Speaker 1: if if parents happen to be here, Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: a great uh sign when your child is afraid to
Speaker 1: tell you anything. That when you're authentic sexual development and
Speaker 1: it is like, what it's this thing where like there's
Speaker 1: always a germ of truth in this thing, and the
Speaker 1: germ of truth is that, well, yeah, teenagers aren't done
Speaker 1: developing like they're they're not adults. They shouldn't be treated
Speaker 1: entirely as adults. They don't have the kind of impulse
Speaker 1: control that we expect adults to have. But the only
Speaker 1: way they get that kind of control and become adults
Speaker 1: is by being given greater and greater autonomy and power
Speaker 1: over their own lives and information to make good choices
Speaker 1: and space to make choices and mistakes like and I
Speaker 1: don't think I don't think Ben ever got that. I
Speaker 1: think Ben was directed like a like a fucking missile
Speaker 1: from the time he was a child by his his
Speaker 1: family to like become this. Uh So I guess I
Speaker 1: get why he agrees with that, but it is it's
Speaker 1: this terror you see in Kay's book and in Ben's
Speaker 1: book about like giving teenagers a chance to just like
Speaker 1: be themselves and figure out who that is. That that
Speaker 1: that to them is like not just scary but like
Speaker 1: obviously abusive. Is their attitude towards just like yeah, it
Speaker 1: can should be allowed to figure it out for themselves,
Speaker 1: which I mean, I think is the basis of a
Speaker 1: healthy society. I think, honestly, I think that's the as
Speaker 1: someone has zero children. Um. I think that's the thing
Speaker 1: that seems the hardest about having a teenager is so
Speaker 1: much of their understanding is so advanced, but they're not
Speaker 1: done developing yet. Their brain will keep changing well into
Speaker 1: their twenties, so to treat them as full on adults
Speaker 1: is wrong. That's why we don't date teenagers unless we're
Speaker 1: morally corrupt. Um. And it is also why when teenagers
Speaker 1: get accused of crimes. It's a different thing. Your brain
Speaker 1: is not really able to to um make the same
Speaker 1: decisions and understand consequences and understand priorities in the same way,
Speaker 1: and an adult brain is that is what that is.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure the hard thing about raising a teenager
Speaker 1: is walking that line of like, I want you to
Speaker 1: be safe, but also I want you to be a
Speaker 1: person that learns how to make your own decisions. And
Speaker 1: it seems like Ben thinks the safest thing is to
Speaker 1: never let anyone make any decisions and then that way
Speaker 1: they will learn everything they need to know. Well, actually
Speaker 1: he thinks the safest thing is to lie to them. Well,
Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, it's so. He quotes Dr Drew Pinsky,
Speaker 1: host of Love Line, when she says, as a pure program,
Speaker 1: the sort of scare tactics that are used with abstinence
Speaker 1: only education really don't seem to work. And this is
Speaker 1: some of there's a lot of statistics backing this up.
Speaker 1: Abstinence only education does not reduce the number of teens
Speaker 1: fucking each other, team pregnancies, or st like. It's not good. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's fine to tell kids that it's okay to be abstinent.
Speaker 1: That's perfectly reasonable, but like abstinence only education is not
Speaker 1: reasonable and doesn't work. And there's a lot of documentation,
Speaker 1: so many studies that prove that, Yeah, I mean, but
Speaker 1: Dr Drew comes across as the good guy in this
Speaker 1: because he which Here's here's how Big responds to Dr Drew. Yes,
Speaker 1: using scare tactics is wrong in most situations, but when
Speaker 1: the subject cannot comprehend the harmful consequences of an action
Speaker 1: not yet taken, then fears an appropriate motivator to inhibit
Speaker 1: such an action. It's always comical to watch a parent
Speaker 1: engage a two year old child in a socratic dialogue
Speaker 1: about why the kid can't cross the street without an
Speaker 1: adult present. A two year old child can't understand the
Speaker 1: concept of death, just as a ten year old child
Speaker 1: can't understand the crucial emotional loss desensitization suffered as a
Speaker 1: result of sex without rules. Fear of consequences, whether those
Speaker 1: consequences are spiritual or physical, is a critical component to
Speaker 1: teaching restraint. The funk is sex without rules, sex with that.
Speaker 1: That's because it's it's one of those things like kids
Speaker 1: were just like naturally doing S and M without safe words,
Speaker 1: because that's what it sounds like, you know, because and
Speaker 1: perfectly I think that it is both would be both
Speaker 1: consistent with conservatism and also in a thing that no
Speaker 1: human being could agree with. Is if you just said
Speaker 1: ten year old shouldn't be having sex, they're not ready
Speaker 1: to have sex statement add percent of reasonable people agree
Speaker 1: with that. Doesn't say that he understands they can't handle
Speaker 1: sex without rules. Like it's kind of scary that he's
Speaker 1: making that distinction, that he's like had erastic leap. Ten
Speaker 1: year olds might be having rulest sex. I don't think
Speaker 1: dan year old should be fucking period. Bit like what
Speaker 1: kind of rules would make it okay them out to
Speaker 1: dinner for first done by them? POKM Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if if this is what Ben is saying,
Speaker 1: I think he's just a bad writer. But like one
Speaker 1: of the obvious things that like, it's actually very easy
Speaker 1: to marry twelve fourteen year olds as an adult in
Speaker 1: a lot of US states, Uh if the parents agree,
Speaker 1: and it's specifically because they were religions where that chunks
Speaker 1: of Christianity in the US where ship like that happens,
Speaker 1: where like fourteen year olds getting married off and nobody
Speaker 1: on the right is fighting to stop it because it's
Speaker 1: part of their culture. Um, to marry off children. It's
Speaker 1: not like you say what you want about it. They don't.
Speaker 1: They don't fight that ship. Um. Not that they aren't
Speaker 1: Christians who fight that ship. But like the right as
Speaker 1: an organized political force is making no in roads to
Speaker 1: stop these like weird, fucking religious kind of culti marriages
Speaker 1: that happen all over the fucking country. Um, it's great,
Speaker 1: it's good ship, Sophia lucky. Oh, he brings up Katie again.
Speaker 1: He takes a shot at He takes a shot at
Speaker 1: our girl, Katie. How I'm sure, Katie, if you're listening,
Speaker 1: if you're the I think Yale student who been Shapiro
Speaker 1: interviewed about sex. First off, you did great. Second hit
Speaker 1: us up. I'm really curious about how that conversation with
Speaker 1: Ben went. Agreed, And also, way to just keep your
Speaker 1: head about yourself, Katie, when questioned, sorry you had to
Speaker 1: talk to Ben Shapiro about your sex life, that that
Speaker 1: can't have been easy. Good for your mental health or
Speaker 1: your sex life. Yeah. Uh. Social liberals also argue, as
Speaker 1: Katie does, that kids will have sex sooner or later,
Speaker 1: so it's better to prepare them for it while they're young.
Speaker 1: This kind of cynical resignation has less to do with
Speaker 1: realism than with promoting a certain political agenda. In reality,
Speaker 1: social liberals abandoned determinism whatever it conflicts with their moral outlook.
Speaker 1: They say that educating kids about cigarette use means telling
Speaker 1: them to say no under all circumstances, instead of teaching
Speaker 1: them that if they do decide the smoke, they should
Speaker 1: use filters to minimize their health roots, Ben, how are
Speaker 1: you gonna buy cigarettes without filth and in less? Ben
Speaker 1: Shapiro thinks there's a shipload of third graders out there
Speaker 1: rolling their own cigarettes. He's like the image of their
Speaker 1: strict pal mall community. Just a bunch of kids standing
Speaker 1: around the stickball pitch like one handed, rolling cigarettes, smoking
Speaker 1: them with a fastened yards stare. I mean, America, that's
Speaker 1: the kind of show you gotta watch out for. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean when he gets coal mining legalized for children again,
Speaker 1: there will be a lot of a lot of seven
Speaker 1: year olds one handed rolling their cigarettes as they wait
Speaker 1: to go down on the fucking elevator into the dark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but please don't let them have sex without rules, because
Speaker 1: as long as they're not fucking Ben's fined with it
Speaker 1: sex at seven. It also been telling kids to just
Speaker 1: say no to drugs, including cigarettes, isn't a liberal thing.
Speaker 1: That's that's all of American politics for like twenty years.
Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats were locked step up step about that shit.
Speaker 1: Like the Democrat Joe Biden was a big part of
Speaker 1: the whole mandatory minimum. Should you tell them you want
Speaker 1: to pretend to me that conservatives and liberals were not
Speaker 1: both lockstep about just say no policies, I'll call you
Speaker 1: a fucking liar, Ben Shapiro. Ron Paul's the only guy
Speaker 1: who gets who's I don't think falls into that on
Speaker 1: the right, because whatever else you can say about him,
Speaker 1: he was consistent on that. Um. Yeah, it's fucking wow,
Speaker 1: Ben Um. Social liberals want to prevent children from knowing
Speaker 1: anything about gun use instead of training children to use
Speaker 1: firearms responsibly. Apparently kids won't use guns sooner or later
Speaker 1: if we tell them no. Well, number one, I agree, Ben,
Speaker 1: there's four hundred million guns in the country. Kids should
Speaker 1: probably be given a little bit more instruction on like
Speaker 1: what they are and how they work. Their basic aspects
Speaker 1: of American life there's an argument to you made, but
Speaker 1: most kids will never have a gun. Most Americans don't
Speaker 1: own guns. Hundred percent of Americans own genitals, and pretty
Speaker 1: close to a percent of American adults have sex at
Speaker 1: some point. Um, there's just not like a comparison between
Speaker 1: the two and for another thing like a gun is
Speaker 1: a thing that you can buy, sex is a thing
Speaker 1: that human beings kind of inherently do to make more people.
Speaker 1: It's like, there's not comparing the two. Fundamental. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like saying like, well, we don't teach kids how to
Speaker 1: drive in school, but we teach them nutrition. It's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because not all kids are gonna own cars, but they'll
Speaker 1: all eat. Like you could argue maybe we should have
Speaker 1: something in high school that like teaches kids about car
Speaker 1: like whatever. That's like, I'm not going to fight against it,
Speaker 1: but like one thing is more basic than the other. Been. Um,
Speaker 1: you also can't kill anybody. Well it's harder to Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it can be done. It can be done. Um. Most
Speaker 1: social liberals would prefer that kids be sexualized younger so
Speaker 1: that they can become or tolerant of deviant lifestyles and
Speaker 1: what everyone used to acknowledge his immoral choices. The liberal
Speaker 1: sexual legenda underlies the teaching of sex education, as David Campos,
Speaker 1: author of Sex Youth and Sex Education, a reference handbook, proclaims,
Speaker 1: to achieve a sexually healthy lifestyle, youth must acquire a
Speaker 1: positive and comfortable attitude about sex. Franktin fact based discussions
Speaker 1: about topics once considered heaboo or essential abortions, condoms, masturbation,
Speaker 1: oral sex, and hoposexuality are among the topics to be
Speaker 1: found in comprehensive sex education programs. Obviously that that fucking
Speaker 1: terrifies Ben um and he responds to that by saying
Speaker 1: Katie's statements that she can't remember any moral judgments being
Speaker 1: made sums up today's sex education because Ben thinks that
Speaker 1: masturbation and condoms and homosexuality and oral sex we does.
Speaker 1: He does thank girl sex as a moral clearly, anytime
Speaker 1: anyone comes, he thinks it's immoral essentially, Yeah, unless unless
Speaker 1: you're trying to make Ben Shapiro's kids, which he only
Speaker 1: feels a little bad about. He doesn't want you to
Speaker 1: come then either, Yeah, he doesn't, and then the kids
Speaker 1: are tainted forever with the sin of pleasure. Who wants that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to become joyless automaton's just like you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh boy. So Ben now quotes another woman. He's he's
Speaker 1: carefull to let us know. She's a twenty three year
Speaker 1: old black woman from Harvard Law April Cornell. Um, Wow,
Speaker 1: you have to meet a black person for this. He
Speaker 1: really did well, he says he did. I don't actually
Speaker 1: know of any of these are real people. Um. But
Speaker 1: she says being a teenager sucks. Teenagers have way more
Speaker 1: choice today than they had fifty years ago. I have
Speaker 1: way more choice than my parents did when they were
Speaker 1: fifteen or sixteen. It never would have occurred to my
Speaker 1: mom not to decide not to have sex or not
Speaker 1: or decide not to use drugs. There are decisions I
Speaker 1: had to make as opposed to this is the way
Speaker 1: it is. I think kids are being forced into choices
Speaker 1: they're not ready to handle. Um. Which is an interesting attitude,
Speaker 1: I guess. But I don't uh like I think makes
Speaker 1: much sense. Um. I guess I disagree with you, April,
Speaker 1: and the statistics disagree with you too, because again, kids
Speaker 1: are choosing to have sex less. UM. I wonder if
Speaker 1: I can find April Cornell if she's an actual person.
Speaker 1: She probably changed her name after her it came out
Speaker 1: in this book. Yeah, I would want to, um, oh,
Speaker 1: this may not be a real person. Um I found it.
Speaker 1: I I typed in April Cornell Harvard because Ben let
Speaker 1: us know that she worked at Harvard, And the only
Speaker 1: result that came up was Harvard Crimson article about April Cornell,
Speaker 1: which is a store that sells like New England aesthetic clothing.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I wonder if Ben Shapira just just learned that,
Speaker 1: and yeah that he knew that was like the store
Speaker 1: in New England the Kaiser Sosa. Yeah, yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: a store chain. Um. Oh no, And there is an
Speaker 1: actual April Cornell who's an artist entrepreneur. She was born
Speaker 1: in Montreal, Canada, and she's pretty white. I and I
Speaker 1: I don't think has said any of the things been
Speaker 1: but this may not be a real person. Was Ann Taylor,
Speaker 1: and then right after her, Diane von Furstenberg. It was
Speaker 1: that's fascinating. I wonder, like, I can't comprehensively say that
Speaker 1: that's not a real person. But it's very funny that
Speaker 1: when I type that into Harvard, I don't get any
Speaker 1: kind of alumni or anything. I get, uh, the from
Speaker 1: his friend Lane Bryant and also his friends Dylan, and
Speaker 1: he quotes her next that I'm I wonder if this
Speaker 1: is real one sec. I'm trying to dig into this now.
Speaker 1: Um does does his friend Walmart or anything? Um? Because
Speaker 1: he quotes the next after he talks to April, he
Speaker 1: quotes Michelle McCoy her her roommate apparently or friend. And yep,
Speaker 1: I'm not finding any any references to her as working
Speaker 1: at Harvard at all either um or being a student
Speaker 1: at Harvard at all either. So so nothing nothing comes
Speaker 1: up on either of these people. I don't know that
Speaker 1: I think they're real. I wonder if been made up
Speaker 1: all of these people. I wonder if Katie's even real,
Speaker 1: or perhaps Katie's real. And he felt like he had
Speaker 1: to make up other Harvard students or other Ivy League
Speaker 1: students to like make a different point, because they're saying, like,
Speaker 1: here's what he here's the quote he puts in Michelle's mouth.
Speaker 1: I think there's more a lot more pressure because so
Speaker 1: many things are accepted. There's already enough pressure and teenagers
Speaker 1: to be cool and social, and when you get rid
Speaker 1: of any moral constraints that weigh upon them and makes
Speaker 1: life a lot harder. I don't know that. I think
Speaker 1: a person who's not been Shapiro would say that that
Speaker 1: doesn't actually sound like a thing a person would say.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that Shapiro may have invented
Speaker 1: people for his book. I can't I can't prove that
Speaker 1: this is This is the only way to theory. If
Speaker 1: you are any of these people, if you are any
Speaker 1: of these people, if you are Ann Taylor, you are
Speaker 1: any of these people, please let us know, because the
Speaker 1: funniest thing would be if Katie's real, but he just
Speaker 1: invented these others to have a foil to her because
Speaker 1: she was so reasonable. But you know who is having
Speaker 1: a lot of sex, Sophia, purchase these goods of services.
Speaker 1: They are these ads are about to are about to
Speaker 1: flow into your ears on a river of Come. Like.
Speaker 1: That's that's what That's what, that's what the products. Wait,
Speaker 1: look closer, it's me. I'm on a canoe. I'm manning
Speaker 1: the river of Come. You need a special paddle for
Speaker 1: a come canoe. It's it's different viscosity anyway, we call
Speaker 1: it a new Robert. I'm sorry that's merge sale, the
Speaker 1: new sale sale, the behind the bastards. Hey, I know
Speaker 1: how great your fans are. If someone would like to
Speaker 1: draw this this come new, come on, give us a
Speaker 1: come now, give us draw us a come new. As
Speaker 1: you listen to these ads, who's into your your oral cavity?
Speaker 1: Like a you know, like come here we go? Ah
Speaker 1: we are bad? How's how's how's that? How's everyone doing?
Speaker 1: You know? Thanks for checking in a lot of change
Speaker 1: since five seconds ago. So scarred for life, It's been
Speaker 1: a lot. We talked about coming good amount um sure did?
Speaker 1: Oh wow? Okay, so it has been brings up this
Speaker 1: narrow the National Abortions Rights Action League or whatever, um
Speaker 1: like a campaign they carried off in the bush ears
Speaker 1: to like um uh like order try to order a
Speaker 1: chastity belt from George Bush um, which was I guess
Speaker 1: some sort of campaign they were going um. And Bin's
Speaker 1: response to that is the choice not to have sex
Speaker 1: is apparently not a real choice. A real choice is
Speaker 1: whether to use a condom or whether to get an
Speaker 1: abortion after having unprotected sex. And like, no, Ben, it's
Speaker 1: not the The choice not to have sex isn't a choice.
Speaker 1: It's that saying that the only choice should be to
Speaker 1: not have sex is not a choice. You should have
Speaker 1: a choice to have sex or not have sex, to
Speaker 1: have sex unprotected, or using a condom, to get an abortion,
Speaker 1: or to carry a fetus to term. You should have those,
Speaker 1: all of those choices. Every person should have all of
Speaker 1: those choice. Don't act. I'm not saying those are the
Speaker 1: only choices. You can come on someone's tents like, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of choice. You can use a dental Damn,
Speaker 1: they're harder to find than you'd think, but you can
Speaker 1: use you have you can use them harder to find.
Speaker 1: What's not it's not a real choice. Just saying to
Speaker 1: choose abstinence, that's not a choice. That's giving someone no option.
Speaker 1: It's just just say no is not a choice. Just
Speaker 1: because you yourself are not a person that experiences horny nous,
Speaker 1: which mean then I'm not judging you for it, but
Speaker 1: you're judging everyone who is horny and on the behalf
Speaker 1: of the horny and the very horny. I am very offended.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Horny action. Now, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think I think Look, all I'm saying is I
Speaker 1: think grocery store should have special parking for horny people.
Speaker 1: I agree, this is what horny America looks like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if you park there and you're not horny, people
Speaker 1: should give you shipped for it. What do we want
Speaker 1: You don't love horny parking? When do we want it? Now? Hey,
Speaker 1: you see this guy just pulled into the horny parking.
Speaker 1: He look horny to you. No, he doesn't look like
Speaker 1: he's fucked in his life. Him horny lynch mobs beating
Speaker 1: people who are horning it up in the street. He
Speaker 1: looks flastened to her panties are drying, hitter. He's driving
Speaker 1: a Hyundai Sonata. No horny person ever drove a Snata?
Speaker 1: Was that? Akia? Get out of here. You can absolutely
Speaker 1: be horny and Akia, you can. I think that's the
Speaker 1: only way you can be in that is that is
Speaker 1: the car for fucking um. So yeah. Sex in the
Speaker 1: classroom is the next section we are we are just
Speaker 1: blazing through this. It's easy enough to find anecdotal evidence
Speaker 1: regarding the dangers of comprehensive sex head young teens being
Speaker 1: taught about the benefits of oral sex, masturbation, and homosexual activity,
Speaker 1: all without parental notification. The Massachusetts Department of Health creating
Speaker 1: a video in E. Nine explaining what to do before, during,
Speaker 1: and after sex. That's a that's a bad thing to Ben,
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, that there's that there's a public healthy
Speaker 1: after earthquake. Sure the earthquake will take place. And it's
Speaker 1: like he's framing this as like a decadent modern values
Speaker 1: pushing sex, Like my grandma was like seventeen when she
Speaker 1: got married, Like what do you been? Teenagers have been
Speaker 1: fucking since there have been teenagers. We might as well
Speaker 1: make sure they know the basics about what to do.
Speaker 1: Like it's like if every teenager was born with a
Speaker 1: gun grafted onto their hand, I would be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we definitely need to have gun training in school. They've
Speaker 1: all got one. They can't be removed. Every teenager has
Speaker 1: a gun permanently attached to their bodies. We should probably
Speaker 1: treat teach them how to use it. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like that Been, does that make sense to you? Just
Speaker 1: comparing it to guns? Make it reasonable? Picture a gun
Speaker 1: dick if you Ben, imagine the bullets are come, Ben,
Speaker 1: can you imagine this? I mean he doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to use guns or his dick. So it's it's true
Speaker 1: imagine you're another human. Yeah, that's a big imagination. If
Speaker 1: you could do that, he could not be this much
Speaker 1: of a right wing piece of ship. Yeah. Oh fun,
Speaker 1: So we get we get a little bit of history here.
Speaker 1: Ben goes through the history of sex ed and talks
Speaker 1: about who is initially sex hygiene, which is which is
Speaker 1: like the first like sex ed sort of campaigns were
Speaker 1: about like venereal diseases in particular, a lot of times
Speaker 1: spreading among soldiers and like trying to tell people like, hey, stop,
Speaker 1: here's how to not get syphilis. Right, Like that's that
Speaker 1: is kind of where like a lot of it came. Um.
Speaker 1: But then he he still gets it wrong, um, because
Speaker 1: he talks about how teaching of sex hygiene was largely
Speaker 1: incorrectly couched in moral terms. The only way to cure
Speaker 1: the sexual evils thoroughly, the only way to dig them
Speaker 1: up at the roots was to prescribe the same standard
Speaker 1: of morality for a man as for a woman. Men
Speaker 1: must be as chased as women, and like, no, Ben
Speaker 1: is actually just tapping about one set. He's talking about
Speaker 1: guys like Harvey Kellogg, who did say that we all
Speaker 1: have to be chased, and that like you should do
Speaker 1: everything you can to not have sexual feelings. But that's
Speaker 1: separate from a lot of the medical history of sex education,
Speaker 1: which while there was a moral element, it was mainly
Speaker 1: because like, you are going to damage your body, and
Speaker 1: you are, you know, a member of this society or
Speaker 1: a soldier in this military, and it's like your responsibility
Speaker 1: to not danger yourself, like there was anyway, it's just
Speaker 1: been again deletes all nuance from his his recollection of
Speaker 1: the historical record. Um, because he's a goblin. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then we uh we get onto Kinsey. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna skip through the history stuff because I'm gonna guess
Speaker 1: Ben gets all of it more or less that incomplete. Um.
Speaker 1: Today's sex set experience, for most members of the porn
Speaker 1: generation is wedded to the idea of permissiveness and tolerance
Speaker 1: for all sorts of behaviors as inherently sexual beings. The
Speaker 1: argument goes, our sexuality should not and cannot be contained
Speaker 1: by any system of morality. Sexuality is as much a
Speaker 1: natural characteristic is race. Oh boy, oh please please let
Speaker 1: another ignoramus fucking talk about race. Yeah. Um, he zooms
Speaker 1: right over this because he again he's talking about like
Speaker 1: how shitty it is. Like one of the things he
Speaker 1: strikes as being bad is that no form of sexual
Speaker 1: expression may be condemned and all must be taught, which like, man,
Speaker 1: I went through sex ed in the period you're writing about,
Speaker 1: and we barely learned about like sexual intercourse. There was
Speaker 1: no talk about blow jobs. There was no talk about
Speaker 1: like anal sex, other than like the vague reference that
Speaker 1: like a condom is always a good thing to have
Speaker 1: if you're having sex. Like this idea that kids are
Speaker 1: being instructed in elaborate sexual acts has like no basis
Speaker 1: in actual sex ed programs. And not just that, but
Speaker 1: even the knowledge we received about sexual organs was wildly
Speaker 1: like patchy. Yeah, pat would be a good term for it,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I don't think that most people
Speaker 1: who went through sex said could tell you where the
Speaker 1: fallopian tubes are, exactly how many eggs a woman has.
Speaker 1: I can tell you because any time, let my friend
Speaker 1: Valerie has a joke about how many eggs a woman makes,
Speaker 1: and you can tell by only the women laughing, and
Speaker 1: not even all of them, that men do not know
Speaker 1: how many eggs women make in a lifetime. And I
Speaker 1: know whow I'm saying this. Men are googling this right now,
Speaker 1: and that's the should google it because it's important. Um.
Speaker 1: The point is we don't learn enough. We don't learn enough.
Speaker 1: My best guy friend, only a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: I found out he's he's forty. I just found out
Speaker 1: that he doesn't. He thought that when a woman gets pregnant,
Speaker 1: she throws up one time. That's how she knows she's pregnant,
Speaker 1: and then she's done because of movies, because that's how
Speaker 1: every movie lets you know that. The characters at all,
Speaker 1: the women that he's ever heard complaining about morning sickness,
Speaker 1: he thought they meant the one time they thought, oh
Speaker 1: my god. Yeah, that's that's fascinating because that tells you
Speaker 1: so much about like, oh so you just like weren't
Speaker 1: around any pregnant people when you were when you were
Speaker 1: a kid, Like yeah, I don't know. Still, it's just
Speaker 1: completely strange. But that is how little all of us know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I mean, men don't often know much
Speaker 1: about their own sexual organs. It's just that thankfully operation
Speaker 1: is generally pretty simple. Um. And uh yeah, just the
Speaker 1: level of like basic ignorance of really important facts of
Speaker 1: sex and of STDs of like stuff like herpies like um,
Speaker 1: and how it's spread and like how common it is,
Speaker 1: Like that's the we're terrible, like the idea like not
Speaker 1: only has been wrong about like what kids are actually doing, um,
Speaker 1: but he's completely off about the degree to which any
Speaker 1: of the education that does exist is explicit because it's
Speaker 1: barely adequate in the best of situations. Like barely adequate
Speaker 1: is like the gold standard for sex said in in
Speaker 1: most public schools. Um. And it's like it's telling because
Speaker 1: he he knows more or less what's being taught. He
Speaker 1: just thinks that it's obscene that like that the sixteen
Speaker 1: year old would know at all the basic process by
Speaker 1: which two people have sexual intercourse, or the idea that
Speaker 1: anal sex is an option, Like the fact that they
Speaker 1: know that is aborrent to him. Um, it's not a
Speaker 1: matter of like kids being shown pornography, it's that they
Speaker 1: should not know these are options. And it's I think
Speaker 1: a lot of it is that like if they don't
Speaker 1: know that it's possible to have gay sex, then been
Speaker 1: thinks they won't be gay. Yeah exactly. Yeah, And that
Speaker 1: if they didn't know that trans was a thing, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't be trans Yeah. Yeah, it's the like that. That
Speaker 1: is why he's so angry at kid is being taught things. Um,
Speaker 1: because again they're not doing things. They're not doing sex
Speaker 1: at like sexual stuff at any kind of a higher rate.
Speaker 1: We know this, and I have to think Ben knows
Speaker 1: this unless he's even more incompetent than I think he is,
Speaker 1: because his real problem is that people are expressing themselves
Speaker 1: physically in ways that make him uncomfortable because he's a
Speaker 1: fucking goblin and he doesn't think that should be allowed. Um.
Speaker 1: And you see that at the end of this segment
Speaker 1: when he's talking about like the immorality of sex at Again,
Speaker 1: these radical sex educators are correct in one sense. Sex
Speaker 1: shouldn't be shameful, but just because people have natural desires
Speaker 1: and drives doesn't legitimate those natural desires and drives in
Speaker 1: all contexts, especially outside the context of marriage. I think
Speaker 1: the sigh is something Ben shapire. Here's a lot in
Speaker 1: the bedroom, and here section this the attack on abstinence
Speaker 1: begins with him just being very wrong. Again, the public
Speaker 1: policy brilliance of comprehensive sex education is it's self justifying nature.
Speaker 1: Sex education is used skyrocketing rates of manereal disease, teen pregnancy,
Speaker 1: and sexual Immorality is an excuse to teach its panoramic
Speaker 1: view of sexuality. Unfortunately, there's a rising, rising threat looming
Speaker 1: on the horizon for sex educators. Abstinence education. If morality
Speaker 1: can can can somehow be infused back into sex education,
Speaker 1: if the tolerance for all sexual activity mission may be
Speaker 1: discarded safely. The Kinsians are out of a job. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know what he thinks. How many jobs he
Speaker 1: thinks are in the Kinseyan community. Yeah, it's not as
Speaker 1: yelling about abstinence is much more lucrative. I literally know
Speaker 1: the curator curator at the Kinsey Institute. I can tell
Speaker 1: you there. Yeah, also shout out Rebecca. Good, good for you, Rebecca,
Speaker 1: and yeah um. The social liberals claim that abstinence education
Speaker 1: doesn't work because, of course, abstinence is impossible. Denying our
Speaker 1: young people accurate information about sexual health will not prevent
Speaker 1: unintended pregnancies or the spread of sexually transmitted disease diseases.
Speaker 1: It will, however, prevent them from making responsible and informed
Speaker 1: decisions about their health and futures, growled William Smith, Director
Speaker 1: of public policy at some organization called Seekers that deals
Speaker 1: with sex said, I love that Ben has to have
Speaker 1: like he said, what he's saying is so reasonable, but
Speaker 1: that Ben has to color it by saying he growled it. Um,
Speaker 1: it's very funny. Yeah, uh yeah, it's um okay, So
Speaker 1: he has he cites another student. Um, so this is
Speaker 1: and Kim of the University of Washington, and this this
Speaker 1: person who been says exists apparently said this within this
Speaker 1: culture where sex sells everything from shampoo to gum. George
Speaker 1: Bush has proposed doubling the amount of federal funding for
Speaker 1: absence only sex education in the classroom. It's a farce
Speaker 1: to assume that exclusively teaching no sex is safe sex
Speaker 1: will prevent teens from having it. This message resolves in
Speaker 1: the real world, where teens, regardless of whether they're sexually active,
Speaker 1: I want to know and talk about sex. So that's
Speaker 1: him citing someone that I'm sure he disagrees with that.
Speaker 1: I still don't know if I think that's a person
Speaker 1: other than Ben. I wonder if you made I'm gonna
Speaker 1: see if I can find evidence that this person. Good luck.
Speaker 1: I just want to know they're sitting right next to
Speaker 1: Ann Taylor. So don't don't you even worry about that? Oh, well,
Speaker 1: maybe there's a there's an assistant manager at Sunrise Dental
Speaker 1: who graduated from the University of Washington recently. Um, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna go ahead and say that I
Speaker 1: think and Kim might be a real person. Yea, Ben,
Speaker 1: should doctor actually talk to human beings? Yeah? And and
Speaker 1: so Yeah, I may have made there may be some
Speaker 1: real people in this fascinating I do believe that Ann
Speaker 1: Kim as a person. Um, so that that that me
Speaker 1: and and Kim seems to be saying a reasonable thing. Um,
Speaker 1: even though I don't, I don't. I still don't know
Speaker 1: how much I believe that she said sex sells everything
Speaker 1: from shampoo to gum. Um, but maybe maybe that just
Speaker 1: seems like such a Ben Shapiro line. Well, I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say also that, um, yes, yes, the extremely
Speaker 1: sexual Gump commercials. I mean, I'm thinking of double mint twins, right, bubblesious?
Speaker 1: What's the sexiest gump commercials? Big League Chew? Nothing makes
Speaker 1: me want nothing makes me want to fuck like Big
Speaker 1: League Chew. I thought that was a candy. It is,
Speaker 1: it's it's gum. Oh, but it's gone and to Candy. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's gone and to Candy. Yeah, I've never
Speaker 1: had big league ch um. Alright. So the next line
Speaker 1: that Ben has at the end of this, during this
Speaker 1: abstinence section is the truth is it's too early to
Speaker 1: tell whether abstinence education can work at a wide level.
Speaker 1: There have been no conclusive studies one way for another
Speaker 1: in the studies that it's funny because he says, and
Speaker 1: the studies that do exist conflict with each other. Now,
Speaker 1: I found a two thousand and eleven study, UM, it's
Speaker 1: pretty fucking conclusive. Yeah. I was working at Planned Parenthood
Speaker 1: in two thousand four. It was already something that everybody knew. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I found a two thousand eleven study UM from the
Speaker 1: US National Library of Medicine UM that seems to be
Speaker 1: pretty comprehensive and includes the line the data clearly show
Speaker 1: show clearly that abstinence only education is a state policy,
Speaker 1: is ineffective in preventing teenage pregnancy, and may actually be
Speaker 1: contributing to the high teenage pregnancy rates in the US. UM. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So uh, there's one study. And then I found another
Speaker 1: study from two thousand ten UM that I think is
Speaker 1: like his uh, like his best case study which is
Speaker 1: from two that UM and the Archives of Pediatric Adolescent Medicine,
Speaker 1: which found that abstinence only intervention was effective in getting
Speaker 1: very young teens to delay sexual initiation. But the program
Speaker 1: is not the same as the abstinence until marriage programs
Speaker 1: funded by the Bush administration. Um. But it's very funny
Speaker 1: that he's like, there's no conclusive studies in the studies
Speaker 1: that do exist conflict with each other. Well, is it
Speaker 1: possible that the studies that say that it doesn't work
Speaker 1: are pretty conclusive and then there's some ship studies that
Speaker 1: say that it does work because one study the study
Speaker 1: he cites, Um. Yeah, the study that he cites is uh,
Speaker 1: which claims that women who pledge to remain virgins until
Speaker 1: marriage are less likely to have a child out of wedlock.
Speaker 1: That comes from the Heritage Foundation. Yeah, which is a
Speaker 1: right wing think tank that is not at all incredible
Speaker 1: unbiased source on anything. Yeah. Um, they are not scientists.
Speaker 1: They are right wing ideologues paid to find things that
Speaker 1: argue for conservative causes, ding ding ding. And if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken, yeah, yeah, we'll give that later. Um. But
Speaker 1: they do publish a lot of stuff on on abstinence
Speaker 1: only education UM. And in fact I think I found
Speaker 1: the report, yeah, from two thousand two. So that's also funny,
Speaker 1: is that, like this thing he's citing is evidence that
Speaker 1: it works from two thousand two. We have two thousand,
Speaker 1: ten and eleven studies, UM that I found in like
Speaker 1: a second of googling that showed that there's like it's
Speaker 1: not only it's either ineffective the programs he suggests or
Speaker 1: the biggest studies says apt actively harmful. UM. But again
Speaker 1: Ben doesn't actually like he does very selective research. And
Speaker 1: in fact, I keep saying I can't see anything in
Speaker 1: this two book. He keeps citing shipped from two thousand two, UM,
Speaker 1: when there's data two thousand ten, eleven thirteen, two thousand
Speaker 1: nine studies I found, Like there's a lot more two
Speaker 1: thousand three, two thousand three, that's all where it's from.
Speaker 1: It Again, that's a decade ago at this point in
Speaker 1: a field where there's rapidly being progress and a lot
Speaker 1: of studies being made. In addition to the fact that
Speaker 1: like he's trying to talk like the kids that there's
Speaker 1: data on from two thousand three aren't the generation he's
Speaker 1: primarily writing about um in two thousand thirteen, because those
Speaker 1: people are all college graduates in their mid twenties by
Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen. UM, I don't. It's just it's so gross.
Speaker 1: It's like so comprehensively manipulating data is also like very
Speaker 1: oh good, And now we get into there's a whole
Speaker 1: we get into. This ends with a whole rant on
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. There's a subhet chapter called The President's Good
Speaker 1: Night blow Jobs, talking about the Clinton impeachment scandal that oh,
Speaker 1: he's it's just like the idea that it's this thing
Speaker 1: that like, despite all of the fund ship that Clinton
Speaker 1: has actually did, the word thing is that Bill got
Speaker 1: a blowjob, um, which is like, there's a lot that's
Speaker 1: messed up about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky, primarily the
Speaker 1: power and balance between a young twenty year old intern
Speaker 1: and the president of the United States and fucking ruining
Speaker 1: her life for them for decades to come because her
Speaker 1: name became associated with this thing that somehow made him
Speaker 1: be cool and somehow made her be a dumb slut patriarchy.
Speaker 1: That's how even even within just the like just the subject,
Speaker 1: if you're like ignoring the fact that he let the
Speaker 1: r want in genocide happen, or fucked up so badly
Speaker 1: in Bosnia, or was presided over a campaign of sanctions
Speaker 1: that killed hundreds of thousands. Interactly, if you if you're
Speaker 1: if you're dropping all of that by the wayside, right,
Speaker 1: and if you're just focusing on the sex part of
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, all that stuff you mentioned perfectly valid things
Speaker 1: to criticize Clinton over really solid evidence of arms, that
Speaker 1: of harms that his sexual behavior had. You could also
Speaker 1: talk about the very credible sexual assault allegations against him.
Speaker 1: That's not what Ben finds most offensive. Here's been Here's
Speaker 1: the bottom line. Without the Lewinsky scandal, millions of children
Speaker 1: would not have had to hear about this issue until
Speaker 1: reaching maturity, that issue being blow jobs instead oral sex
Speaker 1: and mast with cigars. Yeah, issue on yourself. More than that,
Speaker 1: it's the things like, oh, you want to criticize Bill
Speaker 1: Clinton for like his his sexual like behaviors. Like absolutely,
Speaker 1: there's like, yeah, let's let's let's talk about that. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot that's like really fucked up that he
Speaker 1: did that we should attack him for. Oh, you're angry
Speaker 1: because kids heard about blow jobs, Like that's what's offensive
Speaker 1: about Bill clinton sex scandal to you is that like
Speaker 1: kids became aware of the existence of oral sex? Um
Speaker 1: you loser? Yeah, Oh my god, wow, and even quotes
Speaker 1: that's incredible. So he quotes a letter from agonized mother
Speaker 1: of four, Elizabeth Avery Shelton, who wrote a letter to
Speaker 1: the boy Elizabeth Die burying me with the inscription. This
Speaker 1: woman wrote a letter to the editor of the Seattle
Speaker 1: Times and stated, I would like it to be known
Speaker 1: before her movie and book deal comes out, that I
Speaker 1: want an apology from Lewinsky for being solely responsible for
Speaker 1: me having to explain oral sex to my four children,
Speaker 1: ages twelve to eight. Now, BN does note that Clinton
Speaker 1: owes parents and apology as well, but like, what the fuck? Like,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't she be solely responsible? What the fuck? Not
Speaker 1: that within the grand scheme of like things presidents do
Speaker 1: that are bad, The fact that kids learned blowjobs exists
Speaker 1: isn't on the scale. It's just nowhere near um. But
Speaker 1: the fact that he's that, this woman's like Monica Lewinsky,
Speaker 1: is solely responsible for me learning about blow jobs, It's
Speaker 1: so sad. I feel sorry. That's fucked up, Like imagine
Speaker 1: being that person. Of course, everything so fucked up. There's
Speaker 1: so many people like that who think, like, who look
Speaker 1: at Bill Clinton's sex scan, will be like, well, if
Speaker 1: it weren't for her, we wouldn't be hearing about this.
Speaker 1: He's the president. She's twinning in an intern. He is
Speaker 1: the leader of the country. Like, and you're putting most
Speaker 1: of the blame on her. What do you think is
Speaker 1: you know what, shout out Monica fucking Lewinsky because yeah,
Speaker 1: up having a good life. So good for you, good
Speaker 1: for you. Uh, and I don't think capitalized on blow
Speaker 1: jobs in any way. Just it's so close started a
Speaker 1: purse line. Yeah, good for her, Monica. You can join
Speaker 1: that other lady who's just a clothing brand that's been
Speaker 1: quoted in this next book? Did you do a second adverb?
Speaker 1: I I'm going to do one right now, Sophie, because
Speaker 1: you know what time it is? Goods and services? Goods
Speaker 1: and services. That's right, mother, who's uh, we're back all right?
Speaker 1: So let's uh, let's let's close out by Ben's section
Speaker 1: where eleven percent of the way into this book, Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: there's just so much to talk about here. Um, parental abdication,
Speaker 1: comprehensive sex education, has taken power out of the hands
Speaker 1: of parents. The current system has the schools teaching a
Speaker 1: moral permissiveness and forcing parents with standards to unteach their
Speaker 1: own children, and parents have to become too lazy to
Speaker 1: do anything about it. Instead of opting their kids out
Speaker 1: of sex set, it's easier for them to avoid the
Speaker 1: messy birds and bees conversation. Leave it to the government
Speaker 1: types to teach the kids about standards of morality. The
Speaker 1: social liberals who have promuligated this antiparent system are pleased
Speaker 1: with the result. Their goal was never to allow parents
Speaker 1: the authority to teach their children. It was to show
Speaker 1: for the God of tolerance, governments is the most easily
Speaker 1: available to liber don't have kids. Yeah, why does he
Speaker 1: think liberals are any comfortable more comfortable talking to their
Speaker 1: kids than concern about sex and concern it's it's this
Speaker 1: idea that like school teacher again, I went through sex
Speaker 1: said in this period there was no moral lessons whatsoever,
Speaker 1: and it was so incomplete that I then went to
Speaker 1: my parents with questions because I didn't understand things, and
Speaker 1: I did not get good answers to them because my
Speaker 1: parents weren't comfortable discussing it. With me, like, which is
Speaker 1: the problem, which is why kids do stupid shit because
Speaker 1: they're not being taught to do things safely um or
Speaker 1: being taught to do things without shame or like, it's
Speaker 1: just it's all very frustrating. Um. And everything Ben says
Speaker 1: is wrong. Uh yeah, I think you've got it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well Sylvia, how are you? Uh, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: Dry as a boon? My friend, dry as a bone?
Speaker 1: Oh good. I do want to note that at the
Speaker 1: end of this chapter, Bid says that we're we're parents
Speaker 1: are starting to wake up because a poll in two
Speaker 1: thousand three showed strong support for abstinence education. Um. Again
Speaker 1: all stuff from like a decade after this book is published. Um. Also,
Speaker 1: like are you calling parents and you're like, hey, would
Speaker 1: you rather your kid not be fucking? Because they're all
Speaker 1: going to say yes, yes, I don't oh absolutely. Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: Also of likely voters based on a planned parenthood study
Speaker 1: supports sex education in high school. Um. Let's see, here's
Speaker 1: the Secrest survey. Uh yeah, okay, it's the same study. UM.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a less biased source we can find,
Speaker 1: because I just want to see if he's well. Um.
Speaker 1: Texas voters support abstinence plus sex education, which is sex
Speaker 1: education that is medically accurate and doesn't only talk about abstinence. Um,
Speaker 1: which seems better than what I probably got. So that's
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly supported by three quarters of voters, including sixty of
Speaker 1: Republicans in Texas. Um, so, yeah, it does seem like
Speaker 1: Ben is wrong on that too. Massachusetts voters drong to
Speaker 1: support sex said, um, yeah, it seems like abstinence only
Speaker 1: education has very little support because it doesn't work at all,
Speaker 1: and and everybody who's reasonable knows it. Been was wrong
Speaker 1: about this as he's wrong about everything else. Sophia, you
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