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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the information behind the curtains. What's going
Speaker 1: on in the NFL. Mr Ran Gittler, Well, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you the short version. It's not a whole lot
Speaker 1: going on right right, so you know you'll I've seen
Speaker 1: a couple of reports in the past days, like player
Speaker 1: X hasn't talked to team why since you know early
Speaker 1: June or whatever, cast go on vacation. The whole league
Speaker 1: is on vacation right now, so like you know, this
Speaker 1: when when when they check out, um, you know, towards
Speaker 1: the end of June. That's it. This is you know
Speaker 1: for coaches, front office folks, this is when they disappear
Speaker 1: and they try and disconnect as much as possible because
Speaker 1: they don't really get too many breaks throughout the season.
Speaker 1: So right now it's very quiet, and I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you an update on three situations that I think are
Speaker 1: meaningful and ones that we really should be paying attention
Speaker 1: to as we come up to this July fifteenth deadline
Speaker 1: to get these contracts done. The first one and I
Speaker 1: think the most important one in my mind for a
Speaker 1: number of reasons. It's kind of a one A one
Speaker 1: V situation, but one A would be Eric Berry, and
Speaker 1: there's a reason for it. Eric Berry is the epitome
Speaker 1: of a guy you want to pay in this league.
Speaker 1: He's a guy who has played his heart out for
Speaker 1: many years. He had a six year deal, so he
Speaker 1: was under an antiquated older system, right and then new
Speaker 1: CBA hits so he's been locked up for six years
Speaker 1: and he is yet to see the market. So now
Speaker 1: is it time to see the market. So he wants
Speaker 1: to go out there and get this. Uh, this will
Speaker 1: be his first extension. It's his first I'm sorry, extended
Speaker 1: contracts are right, He's played under his his initial deal.
Speaker 1: Now is his chance to go out into the market
Speaker 1: and see what's there. Well, the team slapped the franchise
Speaker 1: tag on him because they weren't able to agree to
Speaker 1: a deal. It was about, Uh, don't quote me here,
Speaker 1: but I believe it's either ten point to or ten
Speaker 1: point eight. I'll have the numbers. Is south of eleven
Speaker 1: North Attle good money. But as a player and you
Speaker 1: can speak to this, you know, nobody wants to be
Speaker 1: rented for a year after they've given that much to
Speaker 1: their franchise. Now, there are some layers that make this
Speaker 1: even more interesting. Eric Berry overcame Hodgkins lymphoma. This is
Speaker 1: a guy that quite literally battled a uh disease that
Speaker 1: could have taken his life, and not only did he
Speaker 1: come back to the field after fighting it, but he
Speaker 1: came back to the field and he's arguably better than
Speaker 1: he was prior to leaving the field, which is incredible.
Speaker 1: And then additionally, something that people don't know about Eric
Speaker 1: Berry is this is a guy that off the field
Speaker 1: in the community is an absolute titan. He gives so
Speaker 1: much to the people around him. And the reason you
Speaker 1: don't know about it is because he aggressively fights back publicity.
Speaker 1: He does not want it. He doesn't want to talk
Speaker 1: about it. He doesn't want the cameras on him. He
Speaker 1: wants everybody pay attention to these kids that need help.
Speaker 1: He works with kids who are going through similar situations.
Speaker 1: They're dealing with cancer, etcetera. Types of things he dealt
Speaker 1: with and he does that all throughout the Kansas City community. Um,
Speaker 1: so you know this is a special, special guy. Point
Speaker 1: being the team at this point has this franchise tag.
Speaker 1: It's a mechanism by which the teams say, initially was
Speaker 1: supposed to be, Hey, we want to keep this so
Speaker 1: that you don't get out into the market. We don't
Speaker 1: have to uh lose you. We want the ability to
Speaker 1: negotiate in good faith. In practice, it's been being used
Speaker 1: in some ways. It sounds inflammatory. I don't mean it
Speaker 1: to be so, but it's true to hold players hostage,
Speaker 1: right the player says, Yo, I want to go into
Speaker 1: the market. I want to see what I'm worth, and
Speaker 1: the team says, now we get this franchise. I want
Speaker 1: to slap it on. This is how much you're worth. Period.
Speaker 1: Well I think I'm worth, you know, more than that.
Speaker 1: Here's why. Now I'm just gonna use this franchise tag.
Speaker 1: So it's it's a shame, is what it is. With
Speaker 1: a guy like Eric Berry. That's a guy that you wish, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you wish that it was easier. And I get that
Speaker 1: the team has a business to run. But at this
Speaker 1: point there's been very little and I mean very little
Speaker 1: back and forth between the Chiefs and Eric Berry. In
Speaker 1: mind you, if a long term deal is not done
Speaker 1: by July fifteen, it's not getting done. He's playing well,
Speaker 1: he's either playing for the Tagger has to make another decision.
Speaker 1: So I'll take us to the second situation Von Miller.
Speaker 1: Von Miller is in a similar situation, except there's been
Speaker 1: a little bit more back and forth between the sides. Uh,
Speaker 1: because at one point he had said he doesn't like
Speaker 1: how the negotiations have gotten more public, right didn't he
Speaker 1: make this statement? Yeah, Well, I'm getting some real behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, and then he said, well, we're not talking
Speaker 1: right now, and that that was the latest I've heard
Speaker 1: that was that might have been weeks ago. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you some very real behind the scenes on this.
Speaker 1: So Von Miller is a Bronco through and through. Go
Speaker 1: look at his Snapchat, Go look at his Instagram, go
Speaker 1: look at his Twitter. I mean, this is a fantastic
Speaker 1: representative of that franchise. Uh. He dealt with an issue.
Speaker 1: He was in the NFL substance abuse program, uh a
Speaker 1: few years back based on the lute sample and a
Speaker 1: couple of other things. He's now out of that program,
Speaker 1: so he's not even subject to it. He's the first
Speaker 1: player to ever get out of the NFL drug program,
Speaker 1: so he's not subject to testing or any of that.
Speaker 1: So folks like to bring that up. Is anyone strike
Speaker 1: away from Not at all. It's not strike away from
Speaker 1: any He's when I give the argument, pay this man
Speaker 1: as much as you can possibly pay his well, you
Speaker 1: know he's one strike away and he has some missions
Speaker 1: in the past. I'm yeah, not not at all. That
Speaker 1: gets inaccurate. So you see that being floated and you
Speaker 1: wonder why where it's coming from. The next thing is
Speaker 1: von Miller. Uh again and just like Eric very arguably
Speaker 1: played his best football of his career this year was
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl champion and m v P and the
Speaker 1: tag has himself the fifteen million dollars per year, which
Speaker 1: is a lot of money to your average person. But
Speaker 1: we gotta is when you look at it from a
Speaker 1: fan's perspective, you gotta take that number away. And what
Speaker 1: you have to look at it is is just it's
Speaker 1: a component of our value in society when compared to
Speaker 1: our peers. Well, Olivier Vernon got more than that, uh
Speaker 1: and Dominican Sue got more than that. Fletcher Cox got
Speaker 1: more than that. So are you telling me that all
Speaker 1: those guys are better than von Miller. That's von Miller's position.
Speaker 1: So just so Weekend, you know, dumb it down a
Speaker 1: little bit. For people sitting at home, driving in the car,
Speaker 1: at at work in their cubicle, this is what we're saying.
Speaker 1: The contract is up with your job. You're working downtown
Speaker 1: in a cubicle and working hard. Your boss says, you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't want to sign you to a
Speaker 1: long term deal. So what I'm gonna do is I'm
Speaker 1: gonna average out everybody that's in your position, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you that average right there, right, the high
Speaker 1: paid average of whoever is clicking on clicking on that computer.
Speaker 1: If that's your job. But you, as an individual working
Speaker 1: in the cubicle, you know, well, I'm way better, I'm
Speaker 1: way more efficient. Right. Um, I'm a tremendous employee and
Speaker 1: I can prove it. And I can prove it. My
Speaker 1: resume says last quarter I was the best at what
Speaker 1: I do. Let's say you're selling widgets. I sold more
Speaker 1: widgets than any other widget seller in the United States
Speaker 1: of America. My value to this company is much more
Speaker 1: higher than who you're comparing me to. So all I
Speaker 1: ask is in good faith, give me a long term
Speaker 1: deal that can show that you appreciate what I've done
Speaker 1: and what I can do. Right. So that's how I
Speaker 1: want people to look at it, because they always say,
Speaker 1: it's fifteen dollars. What are you complaining about? You know
Speaker 1: what I would do with fifteen I mean fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: That's that's not the same mindset for a guy who
Speaker 1: is arguably the best at his position. My mom said
Speaker 1: it the best, So so when I was younger, I
Speaker 1: was obsessed with making money because I didn't have anything.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna get rich.
Speaker 1: And my mom was like, this is my adoptive mother,
Speaker 1: so much wisdom. She was like, look, she's an attorney.
Speaker 1: She's the best attorney at what she does, family attorney
Speaker 1: in the state of organ She makes really good money.
Speaker 1: And she was like, I don't care about the money
Speaker 1: I do to the extent that like makes life easier.
Speaker 1: It's better to have money than not happening. But this
Speaker 1: is really what it's about. At the end of the day.
Speaker 1: It's a It's a measure of my value as compared
Speaker 1: against my peers. So it's a measure of respect. And
Speaker 1: what I want to know, because I work hard for it,
Speaker 1: is that I'm valued as the best person at what
Speaker 1: I do. And that's what von Miller is saying as well.
Speaker 1: I want to know that you guys value me as
Speaker 1: the best defensive player in the NFL. And I think
Speaker 1: I proved that I was a super boy m VP,
Speaker 1: I was Super Bowl Champion. I represent this franchise to
Speaker 1: the fullest, and I'd like to check in. What they're
Speaker 1: saying is to use your example earlier were back in
Speaker 1: the cubicles is yeah, you're producing better than everyone else.
Speaker 1: You're great, But we got this thing that says we
Speaker 1: can hold you for a year for less money than
Speaker 1: what you would be worth on the open marks. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna go ahead and exercise that option. We're gonna
Speaker 1: rent you for another year. And the differences in the
Speaker 1: game of football is if you go out there and
Speaker 1: your A c L goes, if you go out there
Speaker 1: and your need goes, if you go out there and
Speaker 1: you get any kind of injury that damages your ability
Speaker 1: to play the game, Now all a sudden, when you
Speaker 1: get back to the table for the next contract, there's
Speaker 1: not as much money on the table, and that what
Speaker 1: that That's what Vaughan is saying. I'm not playing this
Speaker 1: year on the franchise tag, and he said that publicly.
Speaker 1: He went on Instagram and said, I I will not
Speaker 1: play on the franchise tag. So now the Broncos got
Speaker 1: a choice to make. Here's the real there's not that
Speaker 1: much distance between these two parties. In the scheme of things.
Speaker 1: There's about a ten million dollar gap between where the
Speaker 1: Broncos are at with guaranteed money and where Von Miller
Speaker 1: wants to be, so there is a deal to be made.
Speaker 1: But to this point, one of the things that really
Speaker 1: got Vaughan frustrated was there was a deadline placed on
Speaker 1: him in artificial deadlines, so the actual deadlines July fifteen.
Speaker 1: Back in early June, the team had sent him a
Speaker 1: letter and said you, here's our last contract offer, multi
Speaker 1: year contract offer. You either accept this or that's it.
Speaker 1: We're withdrawing the offer. We're withdrawing this offer, and we
Speaker 1: will no longer discuss multi year contracts with you. Right now.
Speaker 1: It's early. Oh yeah, well, nobody knows this. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure this is the first time that has been discussed publicly.
Speaker 1: So break some news here in the R and B podcast. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So look, well, okay, thank you. And that's exactly how
Speaker 1: Van felt period. Now, look, it's not just Von, it's
Speaker 1: the people around him, right, everybody negotiating. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? So First of all, and and
Speaker 1: mind you, this wasn't the first artificial deadline that they set.
Speaker 1: So from a negotiating standpoint, there's a couple of things
Speaker 1: that are fascinating the team. If you say this is
Speaker 1: the deadline, if you don't agree to terms on this date,
Speaker 1: we are no longer negotiate a long term deal. Okay,
Speaker 1: well cool, Well so now you're in a corner, Broncos,
Speaker 1: because you did say that there's proof. So if you
Speaker 1: did that, then so is the are the negotiations over
Speaker 1: to this point. Up until a couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: that has been the case. There's been no discussions between
Speaker 1: von Miller and the Broncos since that date. What von
Speaker 1: Miller's camp said was, we accept your total value, which
Speaker 1: I believe was a hundred and fourteen points something dollars
Speaker 1: million dollars rather in six years length. We accept those
Speaker 1: two things, but what we really want to do is
Speaker 1: we look forward to agreeing on structure. The very next day,
Speaker 1: somebody and Von's camp blink, it was the Broncos leaked
Speaker 1: to the media the numbers on the contract and that
Speaker 1: it was rejected. They never rejected anything. So now it
Speaker 1: looks almost trying to turn the people against Vaughan, which ultimately,
Speaker 1: in their mind puts pressure on Vaughan. Yes, which is
Speaker 1: a strategy teams use all this time, all the time,
Speaker 1: because then you start hearing the chirp and you look
Speaker 1: at social media and all your fans that you thought
Speaker 1: love Juice say, man, you're being I want to sign
Speaker 1: his contract, which for him, Van is saying that was
Speaker 1: I've been sitting here. I played my heart out. You
Speaker 1: could have extended me last year. My play warranted an extension.
Speaker 1: Last year, you didn't even try. So here we are
Speaker 1: today and you're leaking numbers on what's your offer was
Speaker 1: to me, and it's it's a false leak because four
Speaker 1: million dollars sounds great, but as you know, if only
Speaker 1: five million dollars that is guaranteed, that's false. In his case,
Speaker 1: thirty eight and a half or thirty nine and a
Speaker 1: half was guaranteed over the first two years. For what
Speaker 1: you're looking at with the Dominican Sue and a few
Speaker 1: other premier players is three year cash flow sixty million, right.
Speaker 1: So he was like, wait a second, I need sixty
Speaker 1: plus period because that's what I'm worth. And they said,
Speaker 1: well I got this franchise tag listen. And there's here's
Speaker 1: the thing about you know, guys getting paid. I don't
Speaker 1: care if this is just my person belief, I don't
Speaker 1: care if you're the worst player in the world and
Speaker 1: you get overpaid like I feel like, the NFL makes
Speaker 1: so much money, Go get show money, bro. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that in the sense that some of
Speaker 1: these guys that we have mentioned outside of Vaughan didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily have the best year leading up into the contract.
Speaker 1: Decent numbers, but they don't really have the most ultimate
Speaker 1: career numbers going into these new deals that they got.
Speaker 1: Vaughan he did something that literally every like to be
Speaker 1: free agent dreams of play. Well, you stay healthy, you
Speaker 1: get into the postseason, you excel in the post you
Speaker 1: get to the super Bowl, and then you're the m
Speaker 1: v P of the Super Bowl, and you make plays
Speaker 1: like not just a couple of plays like oh you
Speaker 1: filled up the stat box. All yeah, that's crazy. I
Speaker 1: didn't see him balling, but he know, like, you were
Speaker 1: visually dominant in the biggest game of the year, and
Speaker 1: then you walk away from the season healthy going into
Speaker 1: the contract, you're like, this is the dream come true.
Speaker 1: If you could check off every boxworth free agent, that's
Speaker 1: what they want to do, because that warrants a team
Speaker 1: to say, we have no choice right to break the bank, right,
Speaker 1: and that right there baffles me. It baffles me because
Speaker 1: this is a guy who, like you said, lives, sleeps,
Speaker 1: and breathes everything Bronco. You know, some guys in that situation,
Speaker 1: they're like, you know what, Hey, I'm gonna just I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just fall back. You know, I'm not gonna really
Speaker 1: hype the team up because I don't know where they stand,
Speaker 1: like prime example. I know it's a different sport, but
Speaker 1: the word on the street is why j R. Smith
Speaker 1: wasn't wearing his calv shirt because he's a free agent.
Speaker 1: I'm not really a Cavalier right man. But you know,
Speaker 1: you haven't seen any of that from von He's in
Speaker 1: a Broncos jersey. Every time you see him his Snapchat.
Speaker 1: If you're not following him and you're a snapchatter, follow
Speaker 1: him on Snapchat. He's entertaining, He's all over the place,
Speaker 1: and he works his tail off. You know. So the
Speaker 1: thing about it is is here, here's here's the bottom line.
Speaker 1: You know, we said we're gonna cover three, Let's just
Speaker 1: cover these two, um with uh Eric Berry. It would
Speaker 1: seem to me at this point that the team may
Speaker 1: be taking a position that they just don't value the
Speaker 1: safety position the way that other teams in the market
Speaker 1: would probably value the safety position, and they believe that
Speaker 1: they've got a window right now to win. And if
Speaker 1: they just tag him and he plays for ten point
Speaker 1: two or ten point or whatever that number is, then
Speaker 1: they can address the future after this year. But they're
Speaker 1: not willing to make it a long term commitment based
Speaker 1: on their actions thus far to that position at the
Speaker 1: level of compensation that an Eric Berry would demand on
Speaker 1: the open market. We will see if that deal gets done.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna put an odd on it
Speaker 1: at this point, but I really do believe it's a
Speaker 1: coin flip, like the team really has to come up
Speaker 1: because he's not going to sign a long term deal
Speaker 1: for way below market prevailing market wages based on the
Speaker 1: top safeties in the game. With von Miller, I think
Speaker 1: there's a stronger chance the deal gets done, and and
Speaker 1: there's a very real reason. I think the team has
Speaker 1: made a lot of misteps in the negotiations. I think
Speaker 1: they've caught a lot of heat for it publicly when
Speaker 1: Vaughan said, you know, I'm not planning for the tag,
Speaker 1: uh and also when the numbers were leaked, a lot
Speaker 1: of folks were like, come on, man, you guys lost
Speaker 1: Brock Oswile you lost Malik Jackson and you tagged Vaughan
Speaker 1: with the idea of being that you would keep one
Speaker 1: or both of those other guys. You didn't keep either
Speaker 1: of them. And so now what You're gonna let Van
Speaker 1: sit out a year because he's not gonna playing with
Speaker 1: the tag And I understand why he doesn't want to
Speaker 1: play on the tag. Why would he play for less
Speaker 1: than Olivier Vernon? That makes no sense in anybody's world
Speaker 1: if you pay attention to the game. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think the Broncos have a lot of pressure on
Speaker 1: them now. They're probably gonna wait till the last minute,
Speaker 1: just like they did with Mary's Thomas and the deal
Speaker 1: didn't gonna get done until the deadline. But I would
Speaker 1: expect a von Miller deal to get done. I would
Speaker 1: expect the guarantees to be in excess of six sixty
Speaker 1: one million dollars. You could get quite a bit higher.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's an argument to be made that he's
Speaker 1: worth seventy easy right based on his production as compared
Speaker 1: to the other people have been paid. But uh, if
Speaker 1: I was putting odds on the Von Miller deal just
Speaker 1: based on where I think the Uh, the Broncos stand
Speaker 1: and where Von's camp stands, I think there's a better
Speaker 1: chance that the long term deal gets done than the
Speaker 1: Eric Berry situation. Uh. And so you know, when you
Speaker 1: look at that, just remember we know where they've ben,
Speaker 1: we know where they started. That it was a very
Speaker 1: low offer, you know, compared to what he's worth on
Speaker 1: the market. When it finally does come through, and I
Speaker 1: think it will come through, it'll be a deal that
Speaker 1: is reflective of the value Von Miller has, not only
Speaker 1: to the Broncos, but to the NFL proper and and
Speaker 1: he'll deserve every single penny he should. And you know,
Speaker 1: and I'll just say this, if for whatever reason it
Speaker 1: doesn't get done, and it's possible it does not get done,
Speaker 1: and Von sits out like he said he will, the
Speaker 1: Broncos will not touched the Super Bowl. That's my personal
Speaker 1: PENI he's will. They will not get close. And you
Speaker 1: lost my leek and you lost bron One important thing
Speaker 1: to note about von Miller. A lot of player teams
Speaker 1: have ninety of the leverage. And I talked to really
Speaker 1: smart agents around the league and say, look, you know,
Speaker 1: keep it real. Teams have ninety percent the leverage. The
Speaker 1: c b A is bad for us, for the players.
Speaker 1: You know, the team's really did a good job in
Speaker 1: the last CBA negotiation and knocking back the NFL p
Speaker 1: A and the players. So you have that tend to
Speaker 1: you know, depending on the situation of your leverage, you've
Speaker 1: got to maximize it. And for a guy like von Miller,
Speaker 1: he might be right now the most marketable player in
Speaker 1: the NFL. He's on Dancing with the Stars, has been
Speaker 1: doing nothing but marketing works since then. In season he's
Speaker 1: made a tremendous amount of money on the field thirty
Speaker 1: million in his playing day so far, and also off
Speaker 1: the field with all the marketing stuff. He actually has
Speaker 1: enough of a ward chest. And he's young enough to say,
Speaker 1: I said I wasn't playing for the tag. I'm not
Speaker 1: playing for the tag. I'm sitting this year. Next year.
Speaker 1: This year they got the exclusive franchise tag on him.
Speaker 1: Next year they could not use it again. They'd have
Speaker 1: to use the non exclusive franchise tag, which would allow
Speaker 1: another team to come in offer a first rounder and
Speaker 1: a third rounder and offer him a deal and snatch
Speaker 1: him from the Broncos. The Broncos have an option to
Speaker 1: match but any team coming in and making an offer
Speaker 1: like that was coming strong. It's like the Rams trading
Speaker 1: up to number one, Like we're doing this and we're
Speaker 1: gonna go all in. And I'm telling you there are
Speaker 1: many teams out there who would love to have von
Speaker 1: Miller on their squad. One example, just think about it.
Speaker 1: What if Van and Khalil Mack were on the same
Speaker 1: side of the What if Van was freelancing on the
Speaker 1: edge or just behind that defensive line in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: with the Rams, I go to a lot more games
Speaker 1: in person. Yeah right now, all right, real quick, Uh,
Speaker 1: a little bit on the honey Badger, tylan Man, what
Speaker 1: what what have you heard? Right now? Because at one
Speaker 1: point last year, before his injury, he was up for
Speaker 1: a Defensive m VP of the Year and mean definitely
Speaker 1: had my vote. Yeah yeah, he um, he's so so
Speaker 1: the the the Cardinals love him, they really do, and
Speaker 1: um and and the whole team loves him and he
Speaker 1: loves them. Um and so this business component of it,
Speaker 1: you know, in that situation, it has not been very contentious,
Speaker 1: I would say between von Miller and the Broncos. It's
Speaker 1: been kind of corrosive. It has not been that way
Speaker 1: with the Cardinals and tire. Where is his contract stand
Speaker 1: right now? As is Uh, he's the a one more
Speaker 1: year left. Yeah, so I again, I'd have to look
Speaker 1: at it, but I believe Tyrann has it a year
Speaker 1: left on it on his deal. Um, he's obviously dealing
Speaker 1: with another you know, a c L injury, which is
Speaker 1: a problem, but he came back from the last one
Speaker 1: and crushed it. Same guy, and um, you know, look
Speaker 1: the real out he is. He plays out in the slot. Uh,
Speaker 1: and I think even plays out on the boundary sometimes,
Speaker 1: but in access of fifty percent of his time on
Speaker 1: the field, he's playing in the corner. So he's saying,
Speaker 1: you know, I think they're already well passed top of
Speaker 1: the safety market money. But he's saying, well, wait a second,
Speaker 1: or at top of the safety market money. He saying,
Speaker 1: wait a second, I'm not really is safety. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of a hyper If I'm playing in the nickel, playing
Speaker 1: on the outspe I'm playing if I'm covering a tight
Speaker 1: ending right right hybrid of right exactly and I'm coming
Speaker 1: down the pipe and smack and cats right. So so
Speaker 1: he's saying, I'm I'm a different breed. You can't put
Speaker 1: me in a box. And I think that the team
Speaker 1: is kind of actually receptive to that. You know what
Speaker 1: we dig that You're right, So I feel good about
Speaker 1: that deal getting done. Um when you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put a time frame on it. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Tyran wants to maximize his value. He's coming back from
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, this window is small, so he
Speaker 1: wants to get paid. And Patrick Peterson said this the
Speaker 1: other day. Uh, I can't remember to whom, but they said,
Speaker 1: you know, would you feel some kind of way if
Speaker 1: if Tyrone Matthew got more money than you? Uh and
Speaker 1: P two said absolutely, that's my brother. He deserves it.
Speaker 1: If he gets more money to meet that's what the
Speaker 1: team thinks, then you know, more power to him. And
Speaker 1: so I think that that's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: hint that Tyron Matthew will end up being the highest
Speaker 1: paid player on that Arizona Cardinals defense and for very
Speaker 1: good reason. And uh, I do that that's a deal
Speaker 1: that will more than likely get done. I just can't
Speaker 1: give you an exact timeframe, right. And you know, here's
Speaker 1: the thing when you're on your rookie deal, when the
Speaker 1: communication is there, you don't you don't feel um fear
Speaker 1: of going into the season without it getting done. If
Speaker 1: you're communicating in the relationship is there, you go out
Speaker 1: and play and the we're just gonna keep talking whether
Speaker 1: it gets done right before the season, Week four, week
Speaker 1: six team, We're gonna get this done. So I I
Speaker 1: kind of feel you in that situation. And in regards
Speaker 1: to Patrick Peterson, I went golfing with him a few
Speaker 1: months back and we talked about it, and I was like, look, man,
Speaker 1: you're under a long term deal right now, but when
Speaker 1: are you going back to the table, because I know
Speaker 1: there's one more big hit you go yeah. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta break the bank at least one more time
Speaker 1: for sure. He was like, so do me a couple
Speaker 1: of years, a couple of years of balling out, we'll
Speaker 1: start talking again. So in his uh defense, and you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I'm not worried about, you know,
Speaker 1: my young boy getting the money and being highest paid,
Speaker 1: which Patrick Peterson is legitimate big brother, so of course
Speaker 1: I hear him on that. But in the back of
Speaker 1: his money saying a couple years later, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: ahead and break get ahead yeah, it doesn't matter. That's
Speaker 1: what's up man A. So I know you gotta beat.
Speaker 1: Let me get some before we get into uh this
Speaker 1: QB talk. Okay, all right, I like that. This is
Speaker 1: like this is like some little feel good, Yes, little
Speaker 1: feel good. This is like a nineties seven DMX track
Speaker 1: ten joint here, that's right. I like that. I was
Speaker 1: about to get to my DMX moment. But you know,
Speaker 1: voice alright, so um real Quick did have the best
Speaker 1: ad libs in the game though, Bro, he did at that, Bro,
Speaker 1: I still how did he disappear off the scene? Belly
Speaker 1: was an all time great. Yeah, all time great. It
Speaker 1: was a great movie. He was great. I forgot that
Speaker 1: he was a rapper not an actor, but it's a
Speaker 1: base in the movie. They went X two and most
Speaker 1: people because you remember him for rough Fridays being a
Speaker 1: gully right. Eggs had the best and this was back
Speaker 1: in the day. And the album you always have to
Speaker 1: have that one song for the ladies always How's It
Speaker 1: Going Down? The best collection for the ladies songs, How's
Speaker 1: It Going Down? And the track with Cisco had the
Speaker 1: best collection of songs of the lady know it's crazy,
Speaker 1: as he said one time I started rapping just to
Speaker 1: get girls, he'd just say girls. He used another one
Speaker 1: like that, That's why I started rapping. He's like, I
Speaker 1: just realized I'm really good at But you know, speaking
Speaker 1: of X crazy, this morning, I was watching this interview
Speaker 1: on Breakfast Club, an hour long interview. You get a chance,
Speaker 1: check it out. X Man's it's crazy, Like he's so entertaining.
Speaker 1: He's got HD a d r if. He just like
Speaker 1: I think he's been through a little bit of he
Speaker 1: can't sit still, but he still actually drops knowledge. Man,
Speaker 1: I was watching an interview and I was captivated for
Speaker 1: like forty five minutes this morning. But all right, so
Speaker 1: let's talk about um, you know, the dep chart debates.
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep it real quick. When in this show,
Speaker 1: we had a couple more things we wanna touch on. Um,
Speaker 1: best quarterback in the game right now, right man? So
Speaker 1: this is always difficult. We do these best quarterback evers
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm not I'm not built to pick
Speaker 1: a guy, um, you know, or you can just give
Speaker 1: me a guy that shoot thoroughly enjoy watched. Okay, I
Speaker 1: like that. I like that, I thoroughly enjoy watching Cam
Speaker 1: Newton I thoroughly enjoy watching him play the game. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's unfortunately how the season ended for him, Uh
Speaker 1: towards the end, it's got to be a loser. And I'm,
Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately as those guys, but man, during the season,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna be able to rattle off the
Speaker 1: stats off the top of my head, but I do
Speaker 1: remember this. He bypassed Steve Young as the all time
Speaker 1: rushing leader for quarterbacks. I believe it was rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 1: It might be rushing ards as well. I have to
Speaker 1: take a look. But point being, he did it and
Speaker 1: like what five years or something, four or five years
Speaker 1: you know, Stevim did it over the course of a career.
Speaker 1: So now he's the he is the gold standard for
Speaker 1: rushing quarterbacks are already and and this dude still has,
Speaker 1: you know, depending on how it goes another you know what,
Speaker 1: ten years ahead of him at least. Um, there's some
Speaker 1: quarterbacks they're playing into their forties. Cam is a different
Speaker 1: style of play, so, you know, I feel like he's
Speaker 1: a little bit more susceptible to things like bro watching
Speaker 1: Cam Newton play the game. The fact that he's that big,
Speaker 1: that beastly and able to sling the rock the way
Speaker 1: he does and bowl people over front, flip over cats
Speaker 1: and at the end zone like it's insane. Land on
Speaker 1: his feed right, responsible for forty five touchdowns last year
Speaker 1: in on the ground. Like, you know, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: You know, when you have athletic quarterbacks, you kind of
Speaker 1: take for granted that you know they they sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: give us TVs on the ground, so you don't really
Speaker 1: appreciate it as much, right, And I feel like as
Speaker 1: a fan base, even as a player, you just say, oh,
Speaker 1: he's big. You know he's supposed to do this. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, he's fast, he's athletic. But that's ten touchdowns, bro,
Speaker 1: Like that's a ten rushing touchdowns. Ben Roethlisberger is big,
Speaker 1: but you don't say, see him run the read right,
Speaker 1: pull the ball, see a linebacker in front of him,
Speaker 1: lower his head and run him over like he made
Speaker 1: I've I've watched the house. He makes the decision like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's a pund linebacker, I'm about to take
Speaker 1: it over and then and then destroys them on his
Speaker 1: way into the end zone. So it's like they're they're
Speaker 1: just not. I don't think there's another quarterback in the
Speaker 1: league like that, right, And to that point, I mean,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is crazy athetic, like fast, you know, he
Speaker 1: could jump, He's agile. Yes, yes, Colin Kaepernick at one
Speaker 1: point we were like, this is the second coming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a right handed randall. He's not giving you ten touchdown.
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, we got quarterbacks that are athletic, but
Speaker 1: there's nobody like Cam. I mean for him to be
Speaker 1: like you said that hype that way that give the
Speaker 1: athletically and then to top it all off, improved as
Speaker 1: a passer. There were some throws last year that were
Speaker 1: absolutely breathtaking. As a fan, you know, you try to
Speaker 1: come up with these were that was a great throw,
Speaker 1: Like I mean breathtaking. I remember one in particular. There
Speaker 1: was a slant route and it was the smallest of windows.
Speaker 1: There was a linebacker in front of the receiver. The
Speaker 1: receiver was just passing him and there was a defensive
Speaker 1: lineman in front of Cam and Cam looked and basically
Speaker 1: did a no look and threw it around like ex
Speaker 1: against the falcons of the Saints. It was it looked
Speaker 1: straight out of the matrix, and that's what it looked.
Speaker 1: I looked like he was bending the ball around this toxact.
Speaker 1: It was like that. It was that movie Wanted with
Speaker 1: Angelina Joe Lee. Right, it looks like the curve, That's
Speaker 1: what it was. And it landed square in the chest
Speaker 1: of his receiver. And I just thought to myself, who's
Speaker 1: doing that? Right? And you know we're talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: quarterbacks being great in this era, and there is moments
Speaker 1: this year where Cam was in his own yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know, he was playing at a level that even
Speaker 1: he probably couldn't put in the words completely right. And
Speaker 1: this is important to note as well. I think Russell
Speaker 1: was in a similar situation. You know, both guys have
Speaker 1: good wide receivers. But if you look at that Carolina
Speaker 1: depth chart, who was he playing with? That's a perennial
Speaker 1: pro bowler at the wide receiver position. Greg Olsen is
Speaker 1: a monster. Jonathan Stewart was able to stay healthy to
Speaker 1: vast majority last year, which was very helpful to the
Speaker 1: Panthers because he's dealt with injuries about the years. But
Speaker 1: you know, where were they without Calvin Benjamin? Where were they?
Speaker 1: I mean? And we know, look, Teddy again was great,
Speaker 1: but Teddy gains not without you know, his drawbacks as well.
Speaker 1: So you just look at what he was able to
Speaker 1: accomplish with limited weaponry on the boundaries, and it makes
Speaker 1: you appreciate what he did that much more. But I
Speaker 1: gotta ask guys play Devil's Advocate and some people listening
Speaker 1: right now, like, come on, guys, Aaron Rodgers, I mean,
Speaker 1: what's going on, Aaron Rodgs. I'll set it up this
Speaker 1: way though, obviously be painting leaving Aaron Rodgers not having
Speaker 1: his greatest season last last year Andrew Luck having those
Speaker 1: injury issues. This is about as open as we were
Speaker 1: talking about Game of Thrones. This is about as open
Speaker 1: as the quarterback throne has been in quite a few years.
Speaker 1: Like it's up for the take it. But is it
Speaker 1: open though? Like, yeah, Cam didn't end the way he
Speaker 1: wants in the Super Bowl, but forty five TVs, I mean,
Speaker 1: just to ransa the camp have to do it again
Speaker 1: Ted again. I don't know how many touchdowns he's had
Speaker 1: leading up into this season, but it wasn't in a
Speaker 1: double digits. He gets eleven tds and dropped probably four times.
Speaker 1: He's runn down the sideline by himself right and dropped
Speaker 1: the rocks right. He could have had like fourteen tds
Speaker 1: and I loved it. Again. I love the fact that
Speaker 1: he's improved as a receiver and he got out that
Speaker 1: box of being a splash teams player. I can appreciate
Speaker 1: that as a former wide receiver. But there's a huge
Speaker 1: part of his success that he owes to Cam Cam.
Speaker 1: I'll go out and say it. Cam has a Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan effect. He's so good that he makes everybody around
Speaker 1: him noticeable. And no love for Lebron Huh. I feel
Speaker 1: that's a whole Yeah it is. But but look TD
Speaker 1: to your point, I'm with you. I'm not like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not much for this is the best
Speaker 1: player because there are so many phenomenal players in the
Speaker 1: league that sometimes it's hard to distinguish. Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 1: a monster and it it has been for a very long time.
Speaker 1: But Randall, Cob, Jordy Nelson, even Jeff Janis came on
Speaker 1: at the end of the year, uh Ty Montgomery out
Speaker 1: of Stanford, right, and now he's got Jared cook Um
Speaker 1: at the tight end position. He's got talent, So you know,
Speaker 1: that's something that Cam didn't have. So so if you're saying,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, here's a pro and con list for
Speaker 1: cam wide receivers. You checked that for Aaron Rodgers every time.
Speaker 1: He's got a much more talented and productive wide receiver corps.
Speaker 1: And again, I want to be clear, that's not to
Speaker 1: say these guys aren't Caroline not good. They're just not
Speaker 1: as good as that Packer staff. That's facts, man. We
Speaker 1: can appreciate that that. The one thing to about this
Speaker 1: league now is um at every position, there's multiple guys,
Speaker 1: Like even looking at the wire receiver position. You know,
Speaker 1: I can go out and say Antonio was the best,
Speaker 1: but then there's an argument for Julio, O'Dell um, a j. Green.
Speaker 1: You know, a list of guys, you know, the two
Speaker 1: young dudes in Jacksonville, Hearns and Robinson. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: talent across the board everywhere. So I'm I'm loving where
Speaker 1: the league is right now. All right, So td um
Speaker 1: or not what we got for or not? Yeah, guys,
Speaker 1: before we wrap to this, this week's or not. When
Speaker 1: I ask you, guys, you know what's going on pop culture?
Speaker 1: Do you agree? Do you not agree? Or not? You know,
Speaker 1: we'll see how it goes this week. I have, uh
Speaker 1: the BT Awards happened this past weekend and Jesse Williams
Speaker 1: accepted the Humanitarian Award. And I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys saw this, but man, his speech was essentially it's
Speaker 1: the best performance. It was a real speech, but it
Speaker 1: was also the best performance of the night. To me,
Speaker 1: it was essentially spoken word. I mean that was how
Speaker 1: true and real it was. So I know the answers
Speaker 1: are ready, yes, but this this is just my way
Speaker 1: of having you guys talk about it before we were
Speaker 1: at where you guys inspired or not listen. I didn't
Speaker 1: even watch the BT Awards. I don't know what, for
Speaker 1: what reason I didn't, but I heard about this so
Speaker 1: I wanted to be honest as usual. Yeah, as usual
Speaker 1: per usual. I heard about it, so I google Jesse
Speaker 1: Williams BT and I sat there and I watched it.
Speaker 1: And there's so many levels to this thing. And I'll
Speaker 1: try to be quick man. Uh one he did. He
Speaker 1: never took the gun out of his mouth. He's like,
Speaker 1: I got something. It's like your uncle, give you some
Speaker 1: real life knowledge right now, like which added a couple
Speaker 1: of cool points off top A cool off top. Another
Speaker 1: thing that stood out, Um, he's a son of a
Speaker 1: black father and a white mother. And you can tell
Speaker 1: by the way he was raised by both of his
Speaker 1: parents that they are very aware of the society that
Speaker 1: they have brought this child into, and they want him
Speaker 1: to be aware and not just be aware, but be
Speaker 1: able to articulate that and teach people what it means
Speaker 1: to be young, black and proud um and empower not
Speaker 1: just the youth, not just the black youth, but everybody
Speaker 1: in every color. And when he got up there and
Speaker 1: he started to speak, he started to talk about what
Speaker 1: it was like who we are, and there's a few
Speaker 1: things that staid out stood out. He said, Listen, if
Speaker 1: if you don't have anything to say about the movement,
Speaker 1: then sit your ass down. That's basically what he said.
Speaker 1: Don't get up and talk and criticize people that are
Speaker 1: in the movement. Sit down, um. And then another thing,
Speaker 1: the one thing that really stood out, he said, just
Speaker 1: because for black magic doesn't mean we're real. Magic doesn't
Speaker 1: mean we're not real. I mean, he said a lot
Speaker 1: of great stuff, wasn't It really stood out to me
Speaker 1: because I was raised four sisters and my mom he's
Speaker 1: you know, talk about black women who have spent their
Speaker 1: lifetimes dedicated to nurture everyone before themselves. And that was
Speaker 1: it was so true man, man, it was Uh, it
Speaker 1: was so incredibly meaningful. And you know a few things,
Speaker 1: um one you mentioned you know, his parents obviously and
Speaker 1: building him. Uh, this urge to teach. Well, he in
Speaker 1: fact was a teacher before he got into acting, so
Speaker 1: he was actually you know, he did do that. His
Speaker 1: wife has been with him since. As I understand it,
Speaker 1: all the way back then people give him grief about
Speaker 1: his wife, and you know, has been attacked for all
Speaker 1: these different things. At the end of the day, he's
Speaker 1: a phenomenal actor regardless of skin color. He just so
Speaker 1: happens to be a black actor. Uh. And because he
Speaker 1: recognizes that his platform is something that he has to
Speaker 1: be responsible with, he uses it on the ultimate stage
Speaker 1: or you know, a higher, higher stage, and he's usually
Speaker 1: accustomed to now because he's being the words, etcetera to
Speaker 1: speak truth to power and bro. When I watched it,
Speaker 1: I was so proud of him. I don't know him,
Speaker 1: so it sounds strange, but people that understand that words
Speaker 1: have meaning, that there's weight behind him that when people
Speaker 1: begin to believe things can change, they begin to change.
Speaker 1: He's one of those people, and you could tell when
Speaker 1: you looked under the crowd people as the as the
Speaker 1: speech went on started to absorb more of it and understand.
Speaker 1: And in that moment, this is special, something special is happening, right,
Speaker 1: And you know the bottom line is and we talked
Speaker 1: about this a number of times, you know, race, culture, ethnicity,
Speaker 1: all these things were more of a melting pot than
Speaker 1: ever before in the United States of America. You know, Uh,
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, back in sixty four or
Speaker 1: sixty three. My daddy was on a whole human being
Speaker 1: under the law, you know, because the quarter black, quarter Indian. Uh. Today,
Speaker 1: you know, under the law, theoretically we're all supposed to
Speaker 1: be equal. But Jesse Williams pointed out a number of
Speaker 1: examples and there are thousands more that we don't know
Speaker 1: about that shows us that we are not yet equal
Speaker 1: under the law period. And I'm very comfortable saying there
Speaker 1: are a number of situations in which I have been
Speaker 1: treated differently than my friends who happened to be black,
Speaker 1: in situations where the cops have rolled up on us,
Speaker 1: whether it be a part of speeding ticket, how they
Speaker 1: treat me, how they treat my passenger, whether it be
Speaker 1: because they see us when I was in Northeast Portland, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, catching the bus and they thought something is
Speaker 1: going to stop, and they treat me one way, they
Speaker 1: treat them in different ways. So I've seen it with
Speaker 1: my own eyes. I've never had to deal with it
Speaker 1: because my skin is not black, so I've never had
Speaker 1: to actually live through the profiling, but I've been as
Speaker 1: close to it as anybody with my lack of world
Speaker 1: and he spoke to that. One of the things that
Speaker 1: he said that really struck a chord with me, Um,
Speaker 1: was this notion that I'll kind of rephrase it in
Speaker 1: my own terms, but white society, mainstream society, whether it
Speaker 1: be looking at you know, hip hop culture or whatever.
Speaker 1: Hip hop culture has been embraced by a number of different,
Speaker 1: uh folks of of all different shades, all different socio
Speaker 1: economic backgrounds, and it's a beautiful thing. In fact, I
Speaker 1: think it's one of the most uniting things in culture today,
Speaker 1: is hip hop cultures. Reeason why we're all able to
Speaker 1: be so close, right and and it it wasn't like that,
Speaker 1: so it's been a very powerful unit. Anything. However, Um,
Speaker 1: there is an element of truth to what he said
Speaker 1: in terms of white society, or any society for that matter.
Speaker 1: Let's take white out of it, but other other subsections
Speaker 1: of society outside of the African American subsection of society
Speaker 1: will appropriate elements of black culture roll from it because
Speaker 1: it's cool and they and they want to they want
Speaker 1: to integrate that into their being, right into their consciousness,
Speaker 1: and so it's it's flattering. But then when the bad
Speaker 1: things occur, when we look at Ferguson, when we look
Speaker 1: at social unrest in Chicago, when young black men are
Speaker 1: falling victim to senseless violence, in many cases at the
Speaker 1: hands of the authorities, where are the same people that
Speaker 1: are appropriating the positive elements of the culture. Why are
Speaker 1: they not fighting for changes in society so that we
Speaker 1: stop seeing young black men and women fall victim to
Speaker 1: senseless crimes, especially when it takes their lives. So I
Speaker 1: just you know, we could talk about this for an hour, man.
Speaker 1: I uh, Jesse Williams, I'm sure he's not listening, but
Speaker 1: if he is, man, more power to you. We appreciate
Speaker 1: everything you do, uh, not only for you know, the
Speaker 1: culture in terms of being an incredible example, but for
Speaker 1: also using that platform to stand up and uh and
Speaker 1: make sure that the people understand that our people out
Speaker 1: there who care well said man, couldn't say it any better.
Speaker 1: We ain't getting this anywhere else. Dast on that. Man.
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