Speaker 1: Pushkin. I'm Dana Goodyear on this season of Lost Hills.
Speaker 1: I've talked a lot about the Malibu of forty years ago,
Speaker 1: Malibu when the Railers lived there. How it was this
Speaker 1: really small town, but with all these unusual things about it,
Speaker 1: it had become desirable. And this, at least according to
Speaker 1: the Santa Barbara Day, was what drove Fred Railer to
Speaker 1: murder his two wives and his steps on the desire
Speaker 1: to control of fortune in Malibu real estate and collect
Speaker 1: a bunch of insurance money that would fund his life there.
Speaker 1: Everything I learned made me think that Malibu in the
Speaker 1: seventies and early eighties was an insane place, insanely wonderful,
Speaker 1: insanely scary. It was this swirl of money and celebrities
Speaker 1: and cowboys and drug dealers and musical geniuses living in
Speaker 1: shacks on the beach. There were start to be snapped
Speaker 1: up for millions, and just like on the Canyon Roads,
Speaker 1: there were no guardrails. Malibu in the seventies was like
Speaker 1: the movie The Ice Storm meets Boogie Nights meets Lord
Speaker 1: of the Flies, directed by Swingers on Blow. This is
Speaker 1: Rob Blow. Well. We could go on a tour of Malibu.
Speaker 1: Go dead guy there. Car crashed there. Five people died there.
Speaker 1: Three people that just on Point Doom alone. Roblow is
Speaker 1: a super famous actor who spent his teenage years in
Speaker 1: Malibu in the seventies and eighties, when Fred Jean Verna
Speaker 1: and their kids lived there. Rob moved to Malibu with
Speaker 1: his mom and brothers in nineteen seventy six. He was twelve,
Speaker 1: a hay seed from Ohio with dreams of stardom. He
Speaker 1: was not prepared. Yeah, it was it well, literally a
Speaker 1: front tier the local supermarket had a hitching post and
Speaker 1: people would get on their horses and go to the market.
Speaker 1: When I got there, you also had to remember it
Speaker 1: was never it was before it was gentrified. First of all,
Speaker 1: what it was originally were outcasts, people looking to escape,
Speaker 1: counterculture people burnt out actors and rock stars, and then
Speaker 1: regular working class fireman, policeman, the odd architect. That was
Speaker 1: the socioeconomics of Malibu. But like, I come to that
Speaker 1: from wanting to be in showbusiness and knowing nothing and
Speaker 1: having nothing like that in Ohio, and my mind was
Speaker 1: blown blown, never to recover. His mom rented a little
Speaker 1: ranch house on Point Doom. It had a corral for
Speaker 1: horses in the back, built out of wood from the
Speaker 1: set of Planet of the Apes. It was magic, it
Speaker 1: was he just smelt safe and eucalyptus. And I remember
Speaker 1: the ants. I remember I'd never seen so many ants.
Speaker 1: The ants would come out of the electrical sockets. The
Speaker 1: apocryphal legend was that the Captain and Tenniel had recorded
Speaker 1: Love Will Keep Us Together in a makeshift studio at
Speaker 1: the house and what became my bedroom. The way he
Speaker 1: describes Malibu back then, it was surreal, like a dream,
Speaker 1: populated by faces from your TV set. You'd go to
Speaker 1: our elementary school and it would be shut down for
Speaker 1: the day because Farah Fawcett Majors would be filming Charlie's Angels.
Speaker 1: Linda Ronstat would come to My Talent show and we
Speaker 1: would come out on the playground and hear planes flying
Speaker 1: above and they would be shooting the air battle sequences
Speaker 1: for the TV show Bob Bob Black Sheep. Fonzie Jumped
Speaker 1: the Shark, the famous phrase about a show jumping the shark.
Speaker 1: I saw Fonzie jumped the shark. You jumped the shark
Speaker 1: at Paradise Cove in front of the house. My grandparents
Speaker 1: rent in the winters, and on Fourth of July, the
Speaker 1: fancy famous people would throw a big party and everyone
Speaker 1: was invited. There were big rock stars and they were
Speaker 1: all in the colony. I have great memories of the
Speaker 1: colony and the Fourth of July, which was such a thing.
Speaker 1: It was an open house. You would literally walk into
Speaker 1: house after house after house that you didn't even know
Speaker 1: whose house it was. And I remember walking into a
Speaker 1: bedroom and seeing two naked people screwing and it was
Speaker 1: like just a literally like almost like an orgy, drug
Speaker 1: and alcohol, free for all. And you know, that was
Speaker 1: like the Linda Ronstat, Peter Asher, Larry Hagman, Larry Hagman,
Speaker 1: that's the famous that's a well documented story. You know,
Speaker 1: when he was the cats Meow and Dallas. Now we're
Speaker 1: obviously a little bit later in the timeline, but he
Speaker 1: would legitimately lead a parade down the beach wearing an
Speaker 1: Indian head dress every night at sunset, and you could
Speaker 1: join in or not join in, and that's what he did.
Speaker 1: But even more reliable than the Colony for a star
Speaker 1: struck young Rob Blow was the grocery store on Point Doom.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest things on TV at the time
Speaker 1: was the miniseries rich Man Poor Man. I loved it,
Speaker 1: and Nick Nolty was the star. It was Nick Nolty's
Speaker 1: first thing, and I would run into him at the market.
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, this is also in the era
Speaker 1: where Martin Sheen was always like protesting. Remember he called
Speaker 1: me once and said, will you come down and protest
Speaker 1: the market with me and Sayesar Chavez over grapes. I
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm going to the beach my girlfriend, Martin.
Speaker 1: But I would go to that market and one day
Speaker 1: I ran into Nick and he's like, how it's Martin Sheen.
Speaker 1: You ever see Martin. I was like, you know, he's
Speaker 1: actually on a political sabbatical in Nicaragua. And I remember
Speaker 1: nig niggara, niggaraba, nigger rah, and like moving back with
Speaker 1: each time you said nigh until he fell over into
Speaker 1: a stacked can of baked beans. Niggerain clank clink on
Speaker 1: his back. And then and then there was a great
Speaker 1: time where my mom was like, that's Steve McQueen, Robbie,
Speaker 1: that's Steve McQueen. Steve McQueen was a movie star who
Speaker 1: was married to another movie star, Ali McGraw. You heard
Speaker 1: her in the first episode of this season. Ali and
Speaker 1: Steve had discovered Malibu in the early seventies and they
Speaker 1: ended up on Broadbeach. They were pioneers. This is Ali. Well.
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm from New York and I found
Speaker 1: myself living in Beverly Hills. Actually when I married Bob
Speaker 1: Evans and we had a child, and when that marriage
Speaker 1: broke up, I married Steve McQueen and we decided we
Speaker 1: wanted to get far away from the center of la
Speaker 1: There was a funky little movie theater which was great,
Speaker 1: next to a pizza place owned by one of my
Speaker 1: son's friends families. And John's Garden, which was this huge
Speaker 1: kind of perpetual farmer's market with wonderful food, next to
Speaker 1: a sandblock playground that Fred Siegel had created where all
Speaker 1: the kids just played while we ate sandwiches and caught up,
Speaker 1: and a place to buy blue jeans in bathing suits.
Speaker 1: It wasn't this repository of somebody's sixth home, you know.
Speaker 1: We really lived there. Shopped at the grocery store, we
Speaker 1: walked our dogs, We went to the school, the public school,
Speaker 1: and participated with our kids. And that's what I wanted
Speaker 1: as a childhood for my kid. I don't know how
Speaker 1: I would have done it in Beverly Hills. Back to
Speaker 1: Rob Steve McQueen's story, and I'm like, sort of vaguely
Speaker 1: knew who Steve McQueen was, because in the mid seventies
Speaker 1: he was you know, he'd had a kind of cold streak.
Speaker 1: But I knew he was famous enough, and I was
Speaker 1: an audacious kid, and I went up to him and
Speaker 1: excuse me, stir, could I have your autograph? And he
Speaker 1: looked at me. First, he smelled like an animal with
Speaker 1: a five o'clock beard, and this shirt untucked, really dirty,
Speaker 1: and he was carrying like four or six packs of beer,
Speaker 1: and hecaus, well, do you want my autographed? Kid? I
Speaker 1: ain't no one. Never forgot that I ain't no one.
Speaker 1: And then there were the people who were like seeing
Speaker 1: Sasquatch or the locknet monster, where you knew they were around,
Speaker 1: you were told they were around, but you meanwhile you'd
Speaker 1: never seen them. And that would be like Barbara streisand
Speaker 1: like nobody ever saw Barbara. I mean, Barbara's a legend.
Speaker 1: I've gotten to luckily become very good friends with her,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know her then. And that's in that era,
Speaker 1: like that sort of What's Up Doc Stars Borne, Chris Christofferson,
Speaker 1: he would have been around a little bit just unbelievable,
Speaker 1: unbelievable times. And then you know, there was the moment
Speaker 1: when Bob Dylan secretly bought up a bunch of properties
Speaker 1: on Point Doom where I lived. That started that level
Speaker 1: of people coming in. And then of course Johnny Carson
Speaker 1: was the very first sort of establishment you don't get
Speaker 1: any more establishment, the Johnny Carson and the music being
Speaker 1: recorded in Malilu. It was legendary culture changing. Neil Young,
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan and the band and everyone was recording at
Speaker 1: Robbie Robertson studio overlooking zoom of Beach. We found it.
Speaker 1: It used to be a bordello, this place that was
Speaker 1: called Shangrila. That's Robertson, who we also heard from in
Speaker 1: episode one. It used to be a bordello for cowboys,
Speaker 1: cow polkes. That there's a lot of ranches out there.
Speaker 1: This was a ranch. So we thought, wow, this place
Speaker 1: is perfect, you know, so we turned it into something
Speaker 1: and then over a period of time, more and more
Speaker 1: music people started gravitating out to Malibu, and people wanted
Speaker 1: to use this studio because it was cool, and it
Speaker 1: still exists. Rick Rubin, the music producer, he has it
Speaker 1: now and it's as beautiful as ever. All that got
Speaker 1: rolled into the Malibu myth, which young Rob Blow spooned
Speaker 1: up with his wheaties. You know. The other thing I
Speaker 1: love is is that great song from nineteen seventy nine
Speaker 1: called Gold. That's when the lights go down in the
Speaker 1: California town. People are in and father evening that song.
Speaker 1: It's Stevie Nicks singing duet in the great line, driving
Speaker 1: over Canan singing to the soul because people out there
Speaker 1: turn the music into gold. So clearly the adults were
Speaker 1: having a grandall time. But what about the kids? That's
Speaker 1: coming up right after the break. In just about every
Speaker 1: interview I've done about Malibu in the three years I've
Speaker 1: been making Lost Hells, there comes a point where the
Speaker 1: person I'm talking to brings up the energy. With Rob Lowe,
Speaker 1: it happened at minute fourteen. I actually think there's an
Speaker 1: element to it of and this is going to sound
Speaker 1: very I don't know, woo who is There's a there's
Speaker 1: an energy in Malibu, sort of a karmic mana something there.
Speaker 1: I really believe that that's that's really attractive and exciting,
Speaker 1: But there's a real devil's bargain, and I think it
Speaker 1: a lot of it, I swear to God has to
Speaker 1: do with Malibu itsself. I don't know if that's Shoemash
Speaker 1: Indian stuff or what. Listen, if there's such a thing
Speaker 1: as a vortex and that there's a vortex that you
Speaker 1: could tap into or go looking for, if those things exist,
Speaker 1: then there's definitely one there for sure. What he means
Speaker 1: is shit got real out there on Point Doom. What
Speaker 1: people don't realize about Malibu in that exact area era.
Speaker 1: I moved there in the summer of the bicentennial summer
Speaker 1: of seventy six and lived there pretty much full time
Speaker 1: until eighty six. Was how rugged and violent and dark
Speaker 1: it was, in addition to all of the other things
Speaker 1: I always say, like the toughest white people I think
Speaker 1: that I ever encountered, that I could ever imagine would
Speaker 1: have been a local resident in Malibu in nineteen seventy six. Man,
Speaker 1: white people can be tough. And whenever I ran into
Speaker 1: like Sean Penn, we like look at each other and go, dude,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, dude, we have to do a movie about
Speaker 1: our childhoods Rob Lowe, he's a writer too, and he's
Speaker 1: written about what he calls the savage undercurrent that ran
Speaker 1: through Malibu in those days. I went to it's now
Speaker 1: the high school, it's now called Malibu whatever the hell
Speaker 1: it is high school. When I went to their seventh, eighth,
Speaker 1: ninth grade, three years eight kids died. Now today, if
Speaker 1: eight kids died in a school over the course of
Speaker 1: three years, it would be headline and there would be uproars,
Speaker 1: and there'd be panels, and there would be think pieces,
Speaker 1: and there would be you know, you know, Malibu strong
Speaker 1: slogans and everything else. And in those days, you're like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I was pretty radical, wasn't it. Okay? Next, there were kids,
Speaker 1: so clearly there were parents somewhere, but they weren't as
Speaker 1: a rule, raising their kids. There was no parenting. I
Speaker 1: never saw parents ever. And in fact, my brother was
Speaker 1: given his first joint by his best friend's mother in
Speaker 1: the fifth grade. And the great quote was she wanted
Speaker 1: to quote smoke him out. Hey, you want to get
Speaker 1: smoked out? And she of course also had a water
Speaker 1: bed with a gigantic vibrator that she hid underneath it.
Speaker 1: And that was also a big moment in my brother's development,
Speaker 1: finding that the adults were finding them selves in a
Speaker 1: big orgy of self involvement, which was happening on top
Speaker 1: of a mountain of cocaine. So it was the sort
Speaker 1: of burn your bra movement had kind of happened. You know,
Speaker 1: whenever something big culturally happens, is that moment of okay, now,
Speaker 1: what that had happened. Divorce had become not a scarlet
Speaker 1: letter for the first time. Like everybody was. Everyone was
Speaker 1: doing it, you know, everybody was doing like est. Everybody was.
Speaker 1: Est was a big thing. Everybody was doing EST and
Speaker 1: everybody was we thought, you know, coke had just gone
Speaker 1: from sort of the rock and roll culture into suburbia
Speaker 1: and it was still good for you. You know that
Speaker 1: that was the thing. It was. It was good for you.
Speaker 1: I hope you think and and and it's what successful
Speaker 1: people did, don't you know. So like those were all
Speaker 1: of the men, And there were only two types of
Speaker 1: pot Maui Wowie and how hilarious is that name, Mallie Wowie?
Speaker 1: And what was the other one? Um gosh, I was
Speaker 1: never a pot guy, So I don't know, two types
Speaker 1: of pot. That was it. Do you remember the moment
Speaker 1: when coke came in to Malibu? Oh? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: I had moved to Malibu from from Dayton, Ohio. In Dayton, Dayton,
Speaker 1: ohioh was very very different, to put it mildly, and
Speaker 1: I was never really accepted by the cool kids because
Speaker 1: I didn't surf and I didn't play beach volleyball. I
Speaker 1: played tackle football, whiffleball, baseball. Those are my sports. Volleyball
Speaker 1: was not on my thing, and like, if you didn't
Speaker 1: do one of those two things, you were not a guy.
Speaker 1: And then, of course I wanted to be an actor,
Speaker 1: and no one wanted to be an actor then, which
Speaker 1: was even in I thought moving to California, everybody would
Speaker 1: be an actor and was not true. They were equally
Speaker 1: as flummoxed by the thirteen year old wanting to be
Speaker 1: an actors as the kids were in Dayton. Anyway, So
Speaker 1: I was never really accepted by the cool kids. But
Speaker 1: I did get to one cool kid's birthday party. It
Speaker 1: was her seventh grade birthday party, and the big gift
Speaker 1: she got from her seventh grade best friend was a
Speaker 1: two grand vial of coke, and I remember that. I
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, okay, I am in the inner sanctum
Speaker 1: of Malibu cool seventh grade. I'm gonna say seventy seventy eight,
Speaker 1: seventy let's say seventy eight, And I remember it was
Speaker 1: in that You know those those like copper colored bottles
Speaker 1: with a black top, screw on top with a chain
Speaker 1: and a coke spoon hanging off of it. And do
Speaker 1: you think she had got this kid had gotten it
Speaker 1: from her parents, or how I mean, like stolen it
Speaker 1: from her parents, or how do you think you even
Speaker 1: get coke when you're fourteen years old in Malibu? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I know of one parent who
Speaker 1: kept their coke in their sock drawer and the entire
Speaker 1: neighborhood knew where it was. But if all the parents
Speaker 1: are kind of acting like teenagers, I guess, on this
Speaker 1: sort of quest for identity, then where does that leave
Speaker 1: the kids? It leaves us running around in the gullies
Speaker 1: smoking dope and eight kids getting killed overdosing on strychnine
Speaker 1: which they think is coke and turns out its rat
Speaker 1: poison or kludes and then deciding to go into the
Speaker 1: ocean for a swim and never being seen again, or
Speaker 1: being on another friend of mine on his ten speed
Speaker 1: bike coming down self Ridge, someone goes wrong with a bike.
Speaker 1: He crashes into a tree and a stick goes through
Speaker 1: his eye and he dies. It's just like, not only
Speaker 1: did the kids die, but they died in really like
Speaker 1: horrible ways, you know, based on the times. We were
Speaker 1: all freaked out about it for about a week and
Speaker 1: then you kind of moved. Nobody's ever said anything. There's
Speaker 1: never anything in the paper that I remember or nothing.
Speaker 1: Disturbing stuff would happen all the time, like one long
Speaker 1: after school special, all the blonde kids in op shorts
Speaker 1: and hang ten shirts, but with a bizarro celebrity twist.
Speaker 1: Do you know? Another great story is when Bob Dylan
Speaker 1: was going through a custody battle and his wife sent
Speaker 1: a bunch of goons into mister Seal's sixth grade class
Speaker 1: at Point Dam Elementary to kidnap the kids, and they
Speaker 1: hid in the closets while these guys ransacked the classroom narly,
Speaker 1: really supernarly. My brother was in the class when it happened.
Speaker 1: Really insane police like the whole and again today that'd
Speaker 1: be TMZ. For a year, they'd be talking about it.
Speaker 1: This kid, I can see his face, I can in
Speaker 1: my mind's eye in his name. Well, I wouldn't I
Speaker 1: wouldn't get I wouldn't give his name because he survived this.
Speaker 1: But it was a kid in my school and again
Speaker 1: in junior high who was hitchhiking on Canaan, got picked
Speaker 1: up and the guy took him into the woods and
Speaker 1: chained him to a tree and took a pair of
Speaker 1: tweezers out and tweezed out every one of his pubic hairs.
Speaker 1: As I hear myself say it, it sounds like bullshit.
Speaker 1: It's a ghost story. Yeah, insane, insane, insane, And I'm
Speaker 1: sure nobody ever found the guy or caught the guy
Speaker 1: or no, oh no, are you kidding? Nobody ever said
Speaker 1: a word. He was like oh wow, no way, yeah, way, dude,
Speaker 1: that's so gnarly. And nothing, no announcement at the school,
Speaker 1: no counseling, no like, it just was. I mean, he
Speaker 1: just the one thing is he never came back to school.
Speaker 1: He was just gone. Then there was Paul Hackett, the
Speaker 1: first kid Rob Lowe knew, who got famous, a Malibu
Speaker 1: demigod and a skateboarding legend. His story is after the break.
Speaker 1: Paul Hackett, the Malibu skater Kid, made the cover of
Speaker 1: Skateboarder magazine in nineteen seventy seven, which for Malibu kids
Speaker 1: was super nova stardom. Paul Hackett was the first person
Speaker 1: I ever knew who had his own poster, and he
Speaker 1: was gorgeous, blue, crystal blue eyes, handsome. Every girl loved him.
Speaker 1: I was super jealous of him. I think he was
Speaker 1: like two years older than I was, and he was
Speaker 1: a skateboarder. And this is That's the other thing that
Speaker 1: was huge then, not this thrashing skate park ship that
Speaker 1: we have now, but like you know, Lords of Dogtown,
Speaker 1: like that kind of like real skateboarding. You'd you know,
Speaker 1: find abandoned pools and skate and it. It was very
Speaker 1: sort of counterculture and punk rock and badass, and kids
Speaker 1: were super tough. Who did it. Nobody were pads and
Speaker 1: Paul Hackett was as the star. He was on the cover,
Speaker 1: first person ever knew to be on the cover of
Speaker 1: magazine Skateboarder magazine, and the first person who did what
Speaker 1: they call an aerial, which sounds quaint to even say today.
Speaker 1: That's when you take your skateboard and fly up over
Speaker 1: the lip of the pool, which is now any kid
Speaker 1: does that, but in the day it was revolutionary. Well,
Speaker 1: Paul Hackett one day, I think, took some PCP and
Speaker 1: came home to his parents' house at the top of
Speaker 1: what was then called Sunset Mesa, I think it still
Speaker 1: may be up by the getty at the bottom of Malibu,
Speaker 1: and asked his mom to make him a sandwich. His
Speaker 1: dad was watching TV, and he'd been up all night
Speaker 1: and I won't even tell you what he'd been doing
Speaker 1: before he got home because it's that that's for offline,
Speaker 1: but it was kind of gross and weird. But he
Speaker 1: asked his mom to make him a sandwich. She started
Speaker 1: to make him a sandwich, walked away from the knife,
Speaker 1: he picked it up and stabbed her to death as
Speaker 1: the dad watched TV. He then took his skateboard and skated.
Speaker 1: If you've ever been to since A Mesa, it's way
Speaker 1: steeper than Gray Fox and really longer. And he tried
Speaker 1: to commit suicide by skating all the way down and
Speaker 1: through PC to light, you know, hoping to get by
Speaker 1: a car. Didn't get hit by a car, picked the
Speaker 1: skateboard back up, walked all the way back up again,
Speaker 1: did it again, didn't get hit by a car, ended
Speaker 1: up in what was then the camar Rio Insane Asylum
Speaker 1: in a four point tie, and that was the last
Speaker 1: I ever heard of him. Still, Lowe talks about his
Speaker 1: time in Malibu with a ton of affection. He calls
Speaker 1: it a California Tom Sawyer type of childhood. So I
Speaker 1: asked him why he didn't stay and raise his own
Speaker 1: kids there. That version of Malibu was gone when it
Speaker 1: became billionaire row. Look when I grew up there, there
Speaker 1: was one movie theater and one record store, and you
Speaker 1: couldn't get a record or a movie that was contemporary
Speaker 1: or new for over a month. And now Malibu has everything.
Speaker 1: It has paparazzi that didn't happen today. If you go
Speaker 1: to get a you know, Starbucks, there's seven paparazzi taking
Speaker 1: your picture. That was unheard of, and everybody's super wealthy,
Speaker 1: and so you know that that Malibu. I knew that
Speaker 1: sort of quaint ride your horse to the supermarket was
Speaker 1: gone forever, so that it was never an option to
Speaker 1: raise them there. So I tried to find the next
Speaker 1: best thing, and I found Monticito in Santa Barbara, which
Speaker 1: are the closest things, and that's now changed. But twenty
Speaker 1: eight years ago, Monticito Santa Barbara was as close as
Speaker 1: I could find in California to the Malibu I grew
Speaker 1: up in. The one place he still feels the old
Speaker 1: Malibu is Point Doom, where he grew up. It has
Speaker 1: remained the most time warped area of Malibu. I think,
Speaker 1: to its credit. I will say Point Doom when I'm
Speaker 1: there all the time, because I go and I still
Speaker 1: surf there, and I have a friend does it. My
Speaker 1: friends the only property with a private gate onto the
Speaker 1: actual beach, which is extraordinary, and as you know, it's
Speaker 1: gated and you have to have a key to get
Speaker 1: in there. So I'm on Point Doom a lot. The
Speaker 1: horses have been replaced with high falutin, high tech golf carts,
Speaker 1: so now the kids rip around and their parents' golf carts.
Speaker 1: It's the milf capital of the world. There was one
Speaker 1: milf when I was there, and that was my friend's mom, who,
Speaker 1: looking back on it, she was probably all of twenty six.
Speaker 1: She was a checkout girl at the Mayfair market and
Speaker 1: she's the one who hit her doldo under the bed
Speaker 1: and smoked us out. But now, you know, all the
Speaker 1: moms are particularly cute in Malibu, and they're all driving
Speaker 1: their toeheaded kids with their boogie boards and their gigantic,
Speaker 1: you know, beach cruiser golf carts down to the to
Speaker 1: the thing. But but what's weird what's happened now is
Speaker 1: all of those little ranch houses are bought up by
Speaker 1: people who don't live in them. So there's this weird
Speaker 1: thing now of seasonal occupants that did not ever happen.
Speaker 1: So a lot of people buy the houses just to surf.
Speaker 1: Like I know a tech guy who bought a house,
Speaker 1: you know, right on Gray Fox, and he's there, you know,
Speaker 1: only when he wants to surf. The rest of the
Speaker 1: time he's in the Bay Area, So you know, it's different.
Speaker 1: Roblow's stories have this very particular Malibu quality, sundazzle, gold dusted,
Speaker 1: but right under that menace fear, maybe death, growing up,
Speaker 1: there was a wonderful trauma that he's still processing the
Speaker 1: people who survived it, like whenever we see each other
Speaker 1: that we like run and like clutch onto each other
Speaker 1: like debris and a shipwreck. He feels lucky to have
Speaker 1: lived in Malibu back then and to have made it
Speaker 1: out Alive. For more Rob Low, check out his podcast
Speaker 1: Literally with Rob Low, where he talks to friends like
Speaker 1: Molly Ringwald and Jennifer Aniston. It's in its second season
Speaker 1: and releasing new episodes. He's also got a new podcast
Speaker 1: which he co hosts with Alan Yang called Parks and Recollection.
Speaker 1: It's all about their work on Parks and Rack. As
Speaker 1: for me, we have another season two bonus episode coming
Speaker 1: up in a few weeks. Stay tuned. Lost Hills is
Speaker 1: written and reported by Me Gain a Good Year. It's
Speaker 1: created by me and Ben Adair and is a production
Speaker 1: of Western Sound and Pushkin Industries.