Speaker 1: Oh yeah, woot woot? How is it hanging? I'm woot woot?
Speaker 1: Yeah you know yeah what? Oh gosh, yeah, yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 1: Here we are with the podcast that it is. What
Speaker 1: do you what do you? What do you? What? Do
Speaker 1: we call this show? It's behind the bas just and
Speaker 1: clearly you're not qualified to host it today. So I
Speaker 1: thought I thought this was this American Life. Um, oh boy,
Speaker 1: oh boy, prepared the wrong boy, how do you Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's okay. I have plenty of war crimes to go around.
Speaker 1: This American Life. My my, this American Life episode is
Speaker 1: way too horny to go on this this podcast feed.
Speaker 1: Nobody would that would not be welcome. Okay, well I
Speaker 1: will I will send this back to NPR and Chris
Speaker 1: you cool with taking over today? It's be Christopher Wong
Speaker 1: and we're we're back for Reverend Moon Part two. The
Speaker 1: Attack of the Nazi Des Squads. Cool, It's it's a
Speaker 1: good time. In nineteen eighty, Klaus Barbie, the butcher of
Speaker 1: Leone and Nazi torture Extraordinaire, was getting nervous. French Nazi
Speaker 1: hunters were starting to close in on his bolt hole
Speaker 1: and Bolivia, where he tortured communists for the CIA and
Speaker 1: also the West Germans for decades. We're still the possibility
Speaker 1: of a democratic government to Bolivia. Meant he faced extradition
Speaker 1: to France, who wanted his head on the platter for,
Speaker 1: among other crimes, killing fourteen thousand people and personally saying
Speaker 1: to use the concentration camps. So when Barbie was approached
Speaker 1: by a group of cocaine producers to stay a coup
Speaker 1: against the elected government, Barbie was in than coup, which
Speaker 1: saw Nazis rampaging through the streets, looting stores and warehouses
Speaker 1: and murdering people where they stood, put General's Carlos Menza
Speaker 1: in charge of a military dicatorship. Klaus Barbie's coup was
Speaker 1: infamously known as the Cocaine Coup for its cartel backing,
Speaker 1: but Bolivion intelligence report showed another further source of support
Speaker 1: four million dollars from one Reverend Sung Young Moon, Oh boy,
Speaker 1: Nazi death squad funder extraordinair. Yeah, I mean, and I
Speaker 1: gotta be honest as a cult getting in with the
Speaker 1: CIA pretty pretty smart move. I will say this. There
Speaker 1: is actually no evidence that Moon ever directly worked with
Speaker 1: the CIA, and this is impressed you're if you're working
Speaker 1: for the same goals as the CIA. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: think it's one less thing that could fuck you. I
Speaker 1: do think this is an important distinction to draw because
Speaker 1: there are a lot of sources that you will read
Speaker 1: that will claim that the Moonies are a CIA front,
Speaker 1: and they're not a CIA front, Like insofar as there
Speaker 1: a friend group for anything, it's the Korean CIA. And
Speaker 1: that's important because it means that well, it means that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other American challenge segencies who like
Speaker 1: are really mad at them, but b it means that, yeah,
Speaker 1: there their goals are very very often aligned with the CIA,
Speaker 1: but they're not really a cut out for them. They
Speaker 1: have sort of their own thing going on, and that
Speaker 1: own thing is overthrowing the government of Bolivia. Now Bohei Pok,
Speaker 1: whose Moon's like invaluable aid and translator, visits Lapause that
Speaker 1: year and proclaimed I have erected a throne for Father
Speaker 1: Moon in the world's highest city, which is which is great. Okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the church also attempted to organize a seven thousand
Speaker 1: member like thousand strong armed at church, similar to what
Speaker 1: they attempted to organize a Brazil and you know this,
Speaker 1: this was there to support the coup. And after the coup,
Speaker 1: Carlos Mezza and Moon like visit each other and they
Speaker 1: but they this this this is this is like around
Speaker 1: the time that Reagan got shot, and so they spend
Speaker 1: the night praying together for Reagan's health. Now, fortunately for
Speaker 1: Bolivia and unfortunately for Moon, he picked a loser in
Speaker 1: Mesa whose government collapse amid a hail acus and protests.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't, you can't, you can't pick them all,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, Moon has a really bad track record
Speaker 1: picking military dictators. It's sort of funny. But this, unfortunately
Speaker 1: was just the beginning of Moon's career as a sponsor
Speaker 1: of international terror and Nazi death squads. Now, in nineteen eighty,
Speaker 1: Bohei Pok and Kim Sung In whose Kim Sung In
Speaker 1: is is the the former Korean CIA station chief in
Speaker 1: Mexico City, found an organization, the Confederation of Associations for
Speaker 1: the Unity of the Societies of America. And it absolutely
Speaker 1: nonsense name that they created. Yeah, it's awful, nothing at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So basically they created just so that I could have
Speaker 1: the acronym c I U S A. Now c I
Speaker 1: U S a rapidly becomes a meeting place for just
Speaker 1: the worst mass murderers in Latin America. Uh. They held
Speaker 1: their first meeting in the military in in Uh Yeah.
Speaker 1: The military dictator Elsfredo Strassner's Paraguay Bohipok said of Strassner, quote,
Speaker 1: I believe he's a special man chosen by God to
Speaker 1: run his country. Strassner like did a genocide against the
Speaker 1: Cha people and also like did Operation Contour among other
Speaker 1: things that when we were getting more into condor in
Speaker 1: a second. Yeah. Um. Also attending ci USA conferences was
Speaker 1: Domingo Monterrasa, that the head of El Salvador's Auto Cuddle
Speaker 1: Battalion who is best known for doing that occur Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: those are some war crimers right there. Yeah. So so
Speaker 1: monter monter Rosa interestingly is also trained by another member
Speaker 1: of the Balti Communist League, Taiwan, whose army also is
Speaker 1: training death squads, like sort of parallel. I mean, some
Speaker 1: of that you're doing it through League, some of us
Speaker 1: doing independently, but they're also training like death squads across
Speaker 1: Latin America. Now it's unclear to me if monter Rosa
Speaker 1: like actually received money from Moon, but like basically every
Speaker 1: other right wing like large scale right wing organization and desquad.
Speaker 1: Now Salvador absolutely a pretty easy guy to get money
Speaker 1: from if you're making death squads and we're going to
Speaker 1: go through many, many des squads. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: so he gives a bunch of money to writing groups
Speaker 1: to nel Salvador and they do atrocities with it. Now
Speaker 1: we also need to talk about Operation Condor. So Operation
Speaker 1: Condor is an an anti leftist assassination network originally developed
Speaker 1: by Chilean intelligence in Eventually it has like Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia,
Speaker 1: Brazil and also to lesser cent like Ecuador, Peru in
Speaker 1: it and Condor. Like if you count everyone who was
Speaker 1: killed while Condor was going on by like the government's
Speaker 1: doing it, it killed tens of thousands of people, arrested,
Speaker 1: tortures like hundreds of thousands more. And so this is
Speaker 1: where things get complicated. Um. A lot of Operation Condor
Speaker 1: is run out of a group called the c a L,
Speaker 1: which is the original Latin American section of the World
Speaker 1: Anti Communist League. The cl IS is founded by a
Speaker 1: group called Los Tecos, who are a Mexican Neo Nazi
Speaker 1: des Squad who are famous for just like showing up
Speaker 1: the murdering leftists. Um, the League basically like finds this
Speaker 1: group and they're like, oh, hey, you like killing communists,
Speaker 1: and so they test the techos with assembling just the
Speaker 1: most bloodthirsty Latin American de squads they can find, and
Speaker 1: you know, they go and do this and this is
Speaker 1: this is the basis of the organization of like Latin America,
Speaker 1: like the Latin American part of the world that he
Speaker 1: come in this league. Now, the World Anti Comnist League
Speaker 1: formally expels the c L in the early eies because
Speaker 1: they're trying to go like slightly more legit, although they
Speaker 1: never get rid of you know, like the Eustache people
Speaker 1: or the Iron Guard or any of the other like
Speaker 1: fascist groups in it. But you know, so they expelled
Speaker 1: they expelled the cl because people are like, hey, these
Speaker 1: guys are you know, doing condor and assassinating people. But
Speaker 1: it's it's it's notable that so Moon technically leaves the
Speaker 1: League in and he gives the speech about how the
Speaker 1: League is that he calls it quote a fascist organization,
Speaker 1: which is true. But the problem is that like this
Speaker 1: this is all just political theater. Moon Moon never leaves
Speaker 1: the League, like he makes this big speech about it,
Speaker 1: but his people still run the League's chapter in like that.
Speaker 1: There's they still they still run the chapter in Japan.
Speaker 1: They're heavily involved in the U S chapter, and Moon
Speaker 1: is you know, like Moon and his friend of organizations
Speaker 1: are still just doing all of the like there, there's
Speaker 1: still running meetings with them. There' still organizing with them.
Speaker 1: And Moon also never actually disavows the cl So the
Speaker 1: other thing that's worth noting is that so Condor starts
Speaker 1: in n right, Uh, they don't. The League doesn't disavow
Speaker 1: the CLIL the mid eighties, which means that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of time where the cl IS is being actively
Speaker 1: funded by by the well into Communist League. And this
Speaker 1: is where it's kind of murky, because it's difficult to
Speaker 1: tie Moon directly to Condor. Um. Yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: generally how it's gonna be with the people who fund
Speaker 1: death squads, and the death squads. You think that every
Speaker 1: every other death squad, I'm about to mention we have
Speaker 1: direct evidence of him funding Uh maybe, so I say this.
Speaker 1: So there's two things that suggested to me that he
Speaker 1: did do it. One is that his money absolutely was
Speaker 1: going to the c L which was carrying it out
Speaker 1: because him and Sasakaa was like a Japanese branch other
Speaker 1: one into communist legue or one of the big funders
Speaker 1: of the organization. So he's he's the very least indirectly
Speaker 1: funding them. And also Moon and his organizations are like
Speaker 1: in tight with They're either working with the government or
Speaker 1: the far right. It in Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia, and Brazil,
Speaker 1: which means that weirdly, the only Conjura government they aren't
Speaker 1: working with the Chile And I don't know what's going
Speaker 1: on there because I kept expecting Pino Chan to show
Speaker 1: up and he never does. I don't know why Pino.
Speaker 1: She's like, he's the one right wing leader at all
Speaker 1: of Latin America who I cannot find any contact with Moon.
Speaker 1: It's it's very strange start watching a movie without a
Speaker 1: heist and yeah, wondering where what it is the guy
Speaker 1: from the er you know what I'm talking about, Jesus,
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm not good with names today, Sophie, who's
Speaker 1: the guy George Clooney Clooney, Yeah, Alright, well, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but so pino Chane never shows, but Moon is working
Speaker 1: with every single other Condura government. So there's a good
Speaker 1: enough chance that Mood is involved in this that I
Speaker 1: think we have to mention it because I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like I think, like my guess is there's like
Speaker 1: a other than his indirects stuff through through the c L.
Speaker 1: I think it's like a probably like a two out
Speaker 1: of three chance that he's funding them, because that's just
Speaker 1: who he's in with. What we do know for sure
Speaker 1: is that he's working with General Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, who
Speaker 1: has made the head of the armed forces in Honduras.
Speaker 1: In one to murder a leftist guerrilla group, Alvarez just
Speaker 1: immediately starts torturing, murdering and disappearing people. Uh, he also trained,
Speaker 1: fund and equipped the contrast, which we will get back
Speaker 1: to it a second, because poise, Yeah, this was a
Speaker 1: beautiful time and place to have tens of millions of
Speaker 1: dollars because you really just could buy armies up wholesale,
Speaker 1: send them off to murder people and you know, mountainous countries.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a real what a time And
Speaker 1: the other thing about this, you know the world is
Speaker 1: really your oyster because so, you know, the drug trade exists, right,
Speaker 1: but the drug trade is not bringing in like quite
Speaker 1: as much money as it's going to buy like the
Speaker 1: like the the late eighties and nineties, so and so
Speaker 1: it WHI means that like, you know, you you you're
Speaker 1: like random cult actually has enough money to like you know,
Speaker 1: like you know you you can outbid the drug dealers. Basically, um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Moon like looks at Alvarez's government and he's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like, I haven't in here, and so he
Speaker 1: goes to Takushi Galpa to like start preaching about theologically
Speaker 1: resisting communism, which just means, you know, being the implication Church.
Speaker 1: And there's an interesting thing here where this is a
Speaker 1: period where a lot of Latin American right wingers are
Speaker 1: turning away from Christianity because they're they're they're washing deliberation
Speaker 1: theology turn in in in the Catholic Church. And they
Speaker 1: see this and they go, Okay, well, the you know,
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church is getting you know, it's it's being
Speaker 1: infiltrated by communist is coming soft on communism. Like a
Speaker 1: lot of these sort of like leftist like Catholic priests
Speaker 1: are you know, running like running through aun militia groups.
Speaker 1: And so the right wing in Latin America starts looking
Speaker 1: for like another like another religious thing they can get into,
Speaker 1: and Moon is like, hey, it's me. Look, I have
Speaker 1: a church. We're Christian sort of kind of don't don't
Speaker 1: look too closely at the I'm the Messiah behind the mirror. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but this works pretty well. And you know, he has
Speaker 1: Bohei pawk hand Alvarez at check for fifty dollars um.
Speaker 1: Alvarez hilariously is forced to return the check after the
Speaker 1: Episcopal conference in Honduras is like, hey, why are you
Speaker 1: taking from the money? Who why you're taking money from
Speaker 1: a guy who literally claims to be the Messiah, and
Speaker 1: they get like they get really mad at him, Like
Speaker 1: if you actually think about what he says about God
Speaker 1: in Jesus, it could be awkward to take money for
Speaker 1: this guy, yeah, you know, and shout out, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: like like we have to give credit to the Hondurans
Speaker 1: here because in the US this is not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Like in the US, the Christians are just gonna like
Speaker 1: take They're just they're gonna take moves money hand over fist.
Speaker 1: But the hundredions are like, no, we're drawing the line
Speaker 1: at the Messiah guy. But you know this, this doesn't
Speaker 1: know keeps working with Alvarez. He just you know, gives
Speaker 1: the check back. But unfortunately Alvarez gets sacked by you
Speaker 1: get sacked by the govern and after the FBI reveals
Speaker 1: a conspiracy by Alvarez and his allies to overthrow the
Speaker 1: government on the behesse of drug dealers, which you know
Speaker 1: sounds suspiciously like another coup don't have talked about today.
Speaker 1: It's he keeps getting involved in the same coup and
Speaker 1: it keeps either like it keeps just not working. It's
Speaker 1: just like it's it's it's pretty incredible. Um. Now, undeterred,
Speaker 1: Moon continues to spend an enormous amount of time and
Speaker 1: money in Honduras preaching anti communism through democratization, which is
Speaker 1: again hilarious from a guy who has multiple times on
Speaker 1: record saying that democracy is favored by Satan. But you know,
Speaker 1: welcome to the cold Ward ye. So, and now now
Speaker 1: we come to the mother of all Cold War conspiracies.
Speaker 1: It ran contract because yeah, it turns out Moon due
Speaker 1: to ran Contra. So alright, to set the stage a
Speaker 1: little bit. Inineteen seventy nine, the US backs and most
Speaker 1: editatorship was overthrown by a revolution that left the left
Speaker 1: wing Sandinist does in power and the Santinis to start
Speaker 1: doing things like, you know, nationalizing all of Samosa's lands
Speaker 1: and you know, like promoting public education. And the US
Speaker 1: looks at this and goes, we need to murder literally
Speaker 1: every single person involved with this. Yeah. Yeah, So so,
Speaker 1: you know, opposing the Santinistas are this group called the
Speaker 1: Contra Revolutionarios or the contrast. Now, even before Congress, you know,
Speaker 1: does Commerce eventually starts banning like that puts a ban
Speaker 1: in on all all US funding of the contrast because
Speaker 1: the contracts are doing things like murdering babies and blowing
Speaker 1: up in silos to start the population, you know, death
Speaker 1: squads stuff. They're they're really like your death squads, don't
Speaker 1: it's yeah, there, you know, I will say this. Then
Speaker 1: the contrasts, Well, okay, I want to say that contracts
Speaker 1: are bad by death squad standards, and that's true, but
Speaker 1: also like the other death squads are, We're gonna get
Speaker 1: to the Guatemalans in a bit, and oh my god.
Speaker 1: Also the South of Salvadorian National Guard is doing is yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean when you're when you're death squads, there's really
Speaker 1: it's not necessary to like kind of apply the romance
Speaker 1: or the moral differences between them. They're all when you
Speaker 1: hit that death squad level, you're a death squad. You know. Now,
Speaker 1: cia USA, which is that frank group Moody Franco. But
Speaker 1: I talked about earlier starts contracting like a bunch of
Speaker 1: Contra leaders to offer them to like help unite the
Speaker 1: contra factions. Um Fernando el Negro Chamorro, who's one of
Speaker 1: the major Contra leaders, goes on a Moony sponsored trip
Speaker 1: with other Contra leaders, and Chamorro like turns down the
Speaker 1: money because he's like, I don't want the strings attached
Speaker 1: with it. But a lot of other Contra leaders, including
Speaker 1: Stedman fog Off, like take tens of thousands of dollars
Speaker 1: in cash and just like tons of food and supplies
Speaker 1: um from Moon and and the cia USA basically keeps
Speaker 1: Stedman and like the other contra fact factions like in
Speaker 1: the fight like long enough, you know, because all these
Speaker 1: all these factions like they get their ci a buddy
Speaker 1: like turned off right and they're they're in a real crisis,
Speaker 1: and Moon keeps them in the fight until the RAND
Speaker 1: contract could kick in, which is horrifying because like Moon,
Speaker 1: like Moon is directly responsible for everything that's going to
Speaker 1: happen in Nicaragua, like from this period on, because if
Speaker 1: he's not fundy, these guys like these guys, a lot
Speaker 1: of these groups fall out of the war. But you know,
Speaker 1: he's the he's there to bridge the gap. And yeah,
Speaker 1: before we fully get to a RAND contract that there's
Speaker 1: one more thing I should mention, which is that there's
Speaker 1: some evidence that people American students from the like the
Speaker 1: Churches student movement, like there's some evidence they fought for
Speaker 1: the contras. Um. I can't really confirm it. There seems
Speaker 1: to be credible evidence that like individuals went to go
Speaker 1: fight for them, but it's unclear if it's like a
Speaker 1: mass thing the church was promoting for it was just
Speaker 1: sort of an individual thing. We do know the Church
Speaker 1: claims to have been sending people into Nicaragua to like preach,
Speaker 1: so who knows. Yeah, I mean, it's one of those
Speaker 1: things if you raise a large group of people to
Speaker 1: believe that like, this is a fight that they personally
Speaker 1: need to be involved in, and like a bunch of
Speaker 1: them go over and fight. It's a great way to
Speaker 1: make that. It's a thing we saw it. We see
Speaker 1: with like Rhodesia, where it's like, well did this organization
Speaker 1: send fighters, No, but they created propaganda that convinced people
Speaker 1: to go fight there. Yeah. Yeah, actually this this this
Speaker 1: didn't make it into the into the cut of the episode,
Speaker 1: but his newspaper, The Washington Times big Rhodesia fans also
Speaker 1: also big. It was. It was the short Yeah. I
Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything about him directly funding them, but yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's on their side in principle. Okay, so now
Speaker 1: when you talk about a rand contract, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do like the shortest version of a round contra anyone
Speaker 1: has ever done. So there's four parts. Part one is
Speaker 1: Oliver North gets ten million dollars from the Sultan to Brunei,
Speaker 1: who is the world's most feted out monarch, and then
Speaker 1: his secretary puts the money into the wrong bank account
Speaker 1: and lights it on fire. So just some randoms. Was
Speaker 1: banker gets ten million dollars that can't get the money
Speaker 1: back and the soldan bru sold It's funny because the
Speaker 1: soldier Brunei is he is the most CIA guy, like
Speaker 1: outside of the CIA that has every and even he
Speaker 1: was like, you just put ten billion dollars in the
Speaker 1: wrong bank account, Like I'm not going to give you
Speaker 1: anywhere money. The North great. So part part two, after
Speaker 1: that part plan fails is Oliver North basically is secretly
Speaker 1: negotiating with the Iranian government to covertly buy Americans to
Speaker 1: sell the Iranian government American missiles and then they're gonna
Speaker 1: they Part three is they take the money they get
Speaker 1: from selling those missiles Um and they put it in
Speaker 1: like a black ops slush fund and they move them
Speaker 1: money to the Contrast. Now. Part four is creating a
Speaker 1: cover story for where that money came from. And then
Speaker 1: Moon is neck deep in part In Part four, um
Speaker 1: Bohei Pok gives a hundred thousand dollars to all of
Speaker 1: the North's Nicaraguan freedom funds, a fund also backed by
Speaker 1: pot of Lum's soldier of Fortune magazine to say good time,
Speaker 1: and the Moon is also like they start they set
Speaker 1: up their own fundraiser for the Contrasts and they know
Speaker 1: they're they're also working with the Anti Communist League's uh fundraisers,
Speaker 1: Logistics Networks, and the Anti Communist League. One is the
Speaker 1: is the is big one that that Reagan uses to go,
Speaker 1: oh hey see all this mude ciabody we're pouring in
Speaker 1: this not that's not from the CIA. See this this
Speaker 1: is a grassroots anti communist campaign. And you know, I
Speaker 1: mean like and they do actually raise some money. It's
Speaker 1: just that they don't raise it ran contra money now
Speaker 1: not content to just do Iran Contrah. The movie sent
Speaker 1: a fake priest to testify you before Congress, claiming that
Speaker 1: the Sandiniss were dressing up as contras and doing false
Speaker 1: flag massacre massacres and just courages just credit the contras.
Speaker 1: That seems possible. That's got to be what's happening for sure. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is so so she this guy claims to
Speaker 1: be from the Catholic Church, and the Catholic Church is like,
Speaker 1: this is not one of our guys and so and
Speaker 1: he's like no, no, no, I'm I'm from I'm from
Speaker 1: the Orthodox Catholic Church. And everyone's like what And the
Speaker 1: author Castolic Church apparently is this like it's this group
Speaker 1: in like, uh are they people who thought Vatican two
Speaker 1: went too far and like the church has gotten cooked.
Speaker 1: It's it's weirder. They're like this really weird, like like
Speaker 1: like very old like splinter faction with eight people in
Speaker 1: it in like uh in like Scotland for some reason,
Speaker 1: and likes it's unclear if he's even involved with them.
Speaker 1: But what they do find is a bank account with
Speaker 1: like a bunch of money in it that one of
Speaker 1: the French organizations that this guy was mysteriously paid. So
Speaker 1: that was fun Um. And the other thing that they
Speaker 1: do is c USA produces a pro contrat documentary film
Speaker 1: called Nicaragua Was Our Home that airs on PBS in
Speaker 1: to draw up support for the war. Lee Shapiro, who's
Speaker 1: the dude who made the film and a fanatical Moon
Speaker 1: supporter who graduated from the Unification Theological Seminary because oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the movies have a school now and act they have
Speaker 1: multiple schools, like there's just multiple colleges and thing. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you get a cold that you do have to start
Speaker 1: directly training the children at some point, yes, sure, yea
Speaker 1: so s absolutely. Lee is killed near Cobble Well, embedded
Speaker 1: with has Villas Lammy just to make a propaganda film
Speaker 1: about the bush headide Now you know what to go off.
Speaker 1: King absolutely get killed by Hesba and Afghanistan or Afghanistan
Speaker 1: HESPENISLAMI is like probably the worst of the Africans of
Speaker 1: the actual Afghan Mujadin factions. Yeah, it's not a good one. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: During the civil war, just in the shelling of Cobbal alone,
Speaker 1: they kill at least twenty five thousand civilians. Like it's there,
Speaker 1: and it's it's interesting because so le Le like goes
Speaker 1: out into Afghanistan like trying to find some trying to
Speaker 1: find a Bushakan group whople let him work with him,
Speaker 1: and all of the bush groups are like no, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: because I don't know if you know this about Mushahideen
Speaker 1: in general, but if you say, sometimes God's wrong and
Speaker 1: I tell him and he's like, ah, stupid made. This
Speaker 1: is why I go to you, buddy. You know, if
Speaker 1: that's your religion, a lot of Musa Hideen might have
Speaker 1: issues with you. Yeah. And the only people who were
Speaker 1: who will take him are are the worst, the worst
Speaker 1: people in the time court. Okay, there's an angl here
Speaker 1: that I couldn't find direct evidence of. But like, so
Speaker 1: this is he's ebitted with the faction that's like being
Speaker 1: backed by Pakistan. And there there might be some kind
Speaker 1: of incredibly convoluting anti communist angle there. I wasn't able
Speaker 1: to find it, but just guys involved with literally everything. Ever,
Speaker 1: if you're sending guns to Afghanistan, you're one of the
Speaker 1: bad guys. Now does that mean that basically everyone involved
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan for the last forty years have been the
Speaker 1: bad guys? Absolutely, it's it's it's a lot of shitty
Speaker 1: people sending guns to Afghanistan and sometimes soldiers and usually
Speaker 1: for bad reasons. Basically always for bad reasons. That's Afghanistan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, of course the will Into Communist League is
Speaker 1: sending funny to them and sending sending funding to them.
Speaker 1: And Lee Shapiro's death is literally the only thing that
Speaker 1: stops the USA from just making another propaganda film and
Speaker 1: having it aired on BBC PBS. Now, lest you think
Speaker 1: we're done with the desk Squads, USA is behind the
Speaker 1: bastards promise we make can ever at the Death Squad
Speaker 1: there's so many so so Yeah. The USA also a
Speaker 1: propaganda media tour for Rio's Monster Kadership at Guatemala. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: Carlos Rios Mont. Yeah, Rios Mont is most notable for
Speaker 1: like successfully doing a bunch of genocides. I guess indigenous
Speaker 1: population to Guatemal definitely didn't there. There are entire peoples
Speaker 1: who are just gone. They killed every single one of them.
Speaker 1: They are languages that don't exist anymore. There are towns
Speaker 1: that still won't let the military back into this day
Speaker 1: because of the genocide. Yeah, I mean, like like there
Speaker 1: are it's horrifying. Like there's one of one of my friends,
Speaker 1: uh didn't didn't like it was an anthropologist who worked
Speaker 1: with a community who they so they managed to everyone
Speaker 1: else around them had been killed the genocide. They managed
Speaker 1: to survive and they're the last people on earthho speak
Speaker 1: their language and they survived by just running on foot
Speaker 1: through the jungle and they made it. But you know,
Speaker 1: they they they they like you know, they live in
Speaker 1: this horrible slum and they can't speak Spanish and they're
Speaker 1: the last people left of you know, their their their
Speaker 1: entire people who have been around for thousands of years.
Speaker 1: Because killed all of them. And it's it's horrifying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty bad. And moons, moons doing propaganda tours
Speaker 1: for their for their des squads and also funding them.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I mean, are you really a right wing
Speaker 1: ship head? Though? If you're not backing Rio's mont, like,
Speaker 1: are are you actually do you deserve to even call
Speaker 1: yourself like a violent right wing extremist if you're not
Speaker 1: back in that guy? I will say, like, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of right wingers who like back riot like rhetorically,
Speaker 1: but like the Moon Moon puts his money where his
Speaker 1: mouth is, like you can you you can never not
Speaker 1: say that like when when? When? When? When there was
Speaker 1: a fight against communism and when they were babies to
Speaker 1: be killed? Like no one on earth can say that
Speaker 1: Reverend Moon did not did not do his parts in
Speaker 1: murdering those babies. He made sure there's not as many babies.
Speaker 1: And you know what, every time you don't spend an
Speaker 1: extra five ten minutes in traffic, thank you, Reverend Moond,
Speaker 1: Thank you for making there be less people who are
Speaker 1: alive to drive cars and stop me from getting to
Speaker 1: the sparrow. You know what else is makes there be
Speaker 1: less people alive to drive cars? Products and services that
Speaker 1: support this podcast, Oh oh yeah, the highways. Yeah, Washington
Speaker 1: State Patrol and coke industries. And for sure, I mean
Speaker 1: with their island where people hunt children, they really go
Speaker 1: out of their way to decrease the surplus population. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's ads, We're back, Chris, please go ahead. So Moon
Speaker 1: also has like another front group that he uses that
Speaker 1: does basically the same thing as c I USA, but
Speaker 1: like it just does media tours um and they they
Speaker 1: run these like quote unquote fact finding trips uh that
Speaker 1: included interviews with the leaders of Namo and Mozambique, Udida
Speaker 1: and Angola, Swappo and the Namibia and Solidarity in Poland.
Speaker 1: Now those of you who know your Cold War will
Speaker 1: realize that Unita means Jonasavimbi not sees is the Maniford
Speaker 1: episode in the Dawn of Time is back on the
Speaker 1: pot and yeah, yeah, man from fucking Guatemalada. Angla's incredibly
Speaker 1: he's really hitting all of the hits of like right
Speaker 1: wing fuccory in in this period of time. He's he's
Speaker 1: he's doing a whole fucking Bengus. It's really very impressive.
Speaker 1: It's very impressive, I will say. So, I don't know
Speaker 1: if any evidence that he directly funded either Solidarity in
Speaker 1: Poland or swappo in in uh in Abia, but through
Speaker 1: through a web that is like elaborate even by Moon standards.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna explain the whole thing because it's
Speaker 1: it's I I turned into the like I turned into
Speaker 1: the pinboards meme, like conspiracy meme, trying to like track
Speaker 1: all of the funding sources down. But he does seem
Speaker 1: to have funded both Namo and Savimbi just like directly.
Speaker 1: So that's fun. And to to finish off the desquad
Speaker 1: gantlet we need to talk Cambodia. Oh boy, man that
Speaker 1: that is honestly not maybe not one of the death
Speaker 1: squads I necessarily expected to see him getting involved with.
Speaker 1: So throughout the late nineteen seventies, Pulpots troops were busy
Speaker 1: making like a series of the worst military decisions in
Speaker 1: human history. Uh, they decided that they were going to
Speaker 1: launch a bunch of cross border raids against Vietnam, and
Speaker 1: just like massacre a bunch of Vietnamese civilians, now the
Speaker 1: Vietnamese army. By by by time of nine seventy eight,
Speaker 1: they have beaten back to back at the French, the Japanese,
Speaker 1: the French again, the US and in one year their
Speaker 1: B team is about to go blow for blow at China.
Speaker 1: In the conventional war, Pulpos Army does not have a
Speaker 1: centralized commanding control structure. So Pulpos Army looks at this
Speaker 1: and goes, no, no, no, We're going to be the
Speaker 1: ones who succeeded where every single other empire on Earth
Speaker 1: has failed. And they start this war with Vietnam. And
Speaker 1: Vietnam invades nineteen seventy nine and they just blow the
Speaker 1: Cambodian army to pieces um. But they they do a
Speaker 1: thing I think everyone who lives in the US knows well,
Speaker 1: which is they get stuck in a nation building quagmire,
Speaker 1: which you know, well, you know it happens to everybody.
Speaker 1: It's like throwing your back out, you know, everybody at
Speaker 1: some point. You know, if you're if you're funding death squad,
Speaker 1: you're gonna wind up locked in a quagmire of a war.
Speaker 1: You know. You know. I will say I'm not getting
Speaker 1: around it. I will say this for Vietnam, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if if there's one government ever that it was like,
Speaker 1: this is a good idea to go in and knock
Speaker 1: them off, it's pullpot like oh for sure, yeah, like
Speaker 1: you know, but but this becomes a problem with them
Speaker 1: because you know, they're trying to set up a state
Speaker 1: and it doesn't look Vietnam. Vietnam proves that there's something
Speaker 1: about being a state that makes you want to get
Speaker 1: involved in another state ship and start a quagmuyer you know,
Speaker 1: not that Like again, like you said, somebody needed to
Speaker 1: do something. It is just funny to see Vietnam go
Speaker 1: do a Vietnam on cambody out. I don't know, there's
Speaker 1: no lesson there, because the lesson certainly isn't let guys
Speaker 1: like Pulpot don't think pays don't please don't take This
Speaker 1: is me saying, ha ha, what fools the Vietnamese where Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's just like I will say that this is
Speaker 1: the lesson from this is that if you're going to
Speaker 1: go invade a country and knock off pull Po, you
Speaker 1: actually have to kill Paul Pot put like that would
Speaker 1: say killing and something in general, some people should have
Speaker 1: done this. This is a problem because you know, the
Speaker 1: other thing happens is that a bunch of camer nationalist
Speaker 1: groups pop up um and one of these is called
Speaker 1: the camer People's National Liberation Front. Now Moon does propaganda
Speaker 1: for and direct support to the Camere People's National Liberation Front.
Speaker 1: Now there's one problem now, and he's doing this because
Speaker 1: you know, this is an anti Vietnam group, right, But
Speaker 1: there's one problem with the Cammere People's National Liberation Group
Speaker 1: as as as an anti communist group, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: other than the massacres, which they don't care about. The
Speaker 1: problem is that the camer Pop's National Liberation Front is
Speaker 1: part of the coalition government to Democratic Kampuccia. Now, Moon
Speaker 1: is is pushing for the coalition government at Democratic He's
Speaker 1: like they're they're trying to get there, trying to maintain
Speaker 1: their seat at the Cambodius of the u n H.
Speaker 1: The problem with them is that the most powerful member
Speaker 1: of this coalition is pull pot. So Moon he is
Speaker 1: directly funding well, as I started, is indirectly directly running
Speaker 1: propagandi form, indirectly funding pulpot What a great anti communists
Speaker 1: love to see it. It's yeah, it's it's real bad. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's funded Pulpot. Now, well, I mean, look, who's
Speaker 1: among us has not given I've never given this, look, Chris,
Speaker 1: you can't say that because it could happen here is
Speaker 1: sponsored entirely by King Nora Dame Shanoak, who funded pol
Speaker 1: pots so in a way as we as we sell
Speaker 1: the former king of Okay, I don't really I lost
Speaker 1: I lost a handle of this. This is when you
Speaker 1: jump in so this is okay, all right, well Chris
Speaker 1: please continue. So you know, there's kind of like a
Speaker 1: secular limit that you hit, right, Like there's a certain
Speaker 1: point in which just the amount of time you have,
Speaker 1: the amount of money you have is such that you can't,
Speaker 1: like you can't fund literally every death squad. That is
Speaker 1: something I've often mourned in my own life. But you know,
Speaker 1: you fund the desquad, you can. Yeah. But but but there's
Speaker 1: a way around this. And the way around this is
Speaker 1: you fund the American government. Well now, so as a taxpayer,
Speaker 1: I do back a lot of death squads. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: but you know, there, there's there, there's there, there there's
Speaker 1: a political angle that that that lets you increase the
Speaker 1: bang for your death squad. Buck. Um. So there's a
Speaker 1: guy named Richard Viguery. I'm butchering his name because he's Italian.
Speaker 1: I also don't respect him. Um. He he is the
Speaker 1: man who basically created the modern right out of the
Speaker 1: wreckage of the very Goldwater camp. Um. He's famous for
Speaker 1: taking a list of twelve thousand people who donated more
Speaker 1: than fifty dollars to the campaign in nineteen sixty four
Speaker 1: and using it to create a mailing list. Now, this
Speaker 1: is a revolution in American politics. It allows that's the
Speaker 1: whole fucking eighties, and he's doing it in the sixties.
Speaker 1: And this allows him to to to fundraise and mobilized
Speaker 1: activists that an unimaginable scale. Look this, this is this
Speaker 1: is Facebook before Facebook, and they're sending these old people
Speaker 1: letters that say things like babies are being harvested and
Speaker 1: sold on the black market by planned parenthood clinics and
Speaker 1: cool it's Twitter. Yah, It's it's literally invented Facebook, and
Speaker 1: old people react exactly the same way old people react
Speaker 1: now to Facebook. And so VG area is that just
Speaker 1: the absolute cutting edge of thee at the cutting edge
Speaker 1: of the mailing list. He's using computers to like keep
Speaker 1: track of the mailing lists. Uh, and you know he is.
Speaker 1: He is building the infrastructure that will make the baking
Speaker 1: revolution possible. Moon is funding him as early as nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty five through a scam that involves set ing up
Speaker 1: radio towers to broadcast propaganda to North Korea. Um He
Speaker 1: also gives Vigieri nine hundred thousand dollars to a fake
Speaker 1: charity in nineties seven, and then bails him out again
Speaker 1: in the eighties by buying Vigary's office building for ten
Speaker 1: million dollars and then putting him in charge of the
Speaker 1: accounts of the the American Freedom Coalition, which is a
Speaker 1: mooney group that's invented to like defend all over North Now,
Speaker 1: while this is happening, mooney point man Gary Jarman was
Speaker 1: running an organization called The Christian Voice, which was one
Speaker 1: of the first political organizations to put Vigieris new fundraising
Speaker 1: system to the test. In nineteen eighty two, they outraised
Speaker 1: every single other conservative fundraising group. To have to put
Speaker 1: this into perspective, Jerry Farwell's like new Moral Majority pack
Speaker 1: raises twenty two thousand dollars in his first year. That
Speaker 1: same year, the Christian Voice raised four hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: four thousand, seven hundred and twenty two dollars. And these guys,
Speaker 1: the Christian Voice is terrifyingly powerful. In the nineteen eight election,
Speaker 1: they target thirty two races and they beat twenty two incumbents.
Speaker 1: This is how Yeah it's bad. This is you know,
Speaker 1: this is the infrastructure that built a Riggan revolution and
Speaker 1: it is funded by Reverend Moon. Yeah it's bad and
Speaker 1: and you know, not not content to simply fight at
Speaker 1: the ballot box. Moon runs anti communist campaigns on college campuses,
Speaker 1: including a anti communist newsletter, which is actually he has
Speaker 1: it's like newspaper thing that you know how every like
Speaker 1: trust skate group and I feel like weird communist group
Speaker 1: like passes out newspapers on campus. Moon is like, what
Speaker 1: if we did our own but they were anti communists.
Speaker 1: So he has all of his like followers on campus
Speaker 1: like passing out these newspapers, and so you get all
Speaker 1: thesely like all of the cults are like lined up
Speaker 1: next to each other passing. It's a you've talked about,
Speaker 1: but it's just the outstanding amount Like it's just like
Speaker 1: unfathomable amount of money that he funds so much. The
Speaker 1: outreage he's hit. He's the first. He's the only real
Speaker 1: quote leader that I'm aware of that is on that
Speaker 1: l run Hubbard level where they hit this certain point
Speaker 1: early in their career where it's like where did their
Speaker 1: money come where they will they have infinite money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's no they have. They have as much money
Speaker 1: as they need. They have all of the money they
Speaker 1: could ever spent, like which is a scary thing for
Speaker 1: a cult leader to get to God. It makes me
Speaker 1: miss Allary rage. He didn't fund any death squads. He
Speaker 1: just threw kids off the boats like a row like
Speaker 1: Moon is Moon is like like what what if you
Speaker 1: used l run Hoverard for just like pure evil. It's
Speaker 1: tragic to think of ul Roun Hubbard's legacy being used
Speaker 1: for the evil. Yeah, and you know, and I was
Speaker 1: sat like so like part part of how he's funny,
Speaker 1: this is like part of it is just you know
Speaker 1: the colt like the cult is literally a pyramid scheme, right,
Speaker 1: and that he has all of these businesses. He also
Speaker 1: has Sasaka was like literally infinite yakism money from from Japan.
Speaker 1: He's getting k c A money, He's getting money from
Speaker 1: all just like he keeps There's like a couple of
Speaker 1: times where he takes over banks in Uruguay and then
Speaker 1: just like takes all of the money from them and
Speaker 1: then the bank goes under, like he just just like
Speaker 1: multiple times he's all the landing. There's everything that I
Speaker 1: didn't fit in the episode. I think I should talk
Speaker 1: about a little bit, which is that like there's some
Speaker 1: evidence that like in the Night, like the night he
Speaker 1: he got into the drug trade because he starts buying
Speaker 1: all of this land that's like on the kind of
Speaker 1: drill wells, like, oh, yeah, he's the cocaine train, he says,
Speaker 1: he's he'sould be like buying the border crossings that cocaine
Speaker 1: moves through and in like Bolivia, And yeah, it's there's
Speaker 1: no hard evidence of that, but like no one, I means,
Speaker 1: but there's no other reason why you're buying all that land,
Speaker 1: or if you are backing multiple death squads in Latin
Speaker 1: America to the tune of tens of millions of dollars,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I don't. I can't believe you're not
Speaker 1: moving blow Like I refuse to accept that that's possible.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean it's it's it's one of those
Speaker 1: things that there's so many threads of Moon were like
Speaker 1: you know, some of the threads, like I like I
Speaker 1: pulled on the desk squad thread and I found that
Speaker 1: he was funny, and some of them like there seems
Speaker 1: to be a lot of investigative journalism like still to
Speaker 1: be done on this organization because like the cocaine threat
Speaker 1: is I mean, it's it's the people all encompassing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's hard to it's hard to think. It's
Speaker 1: impossible to imagine that. Like people know the bottom of
Speaker 1: this at the moment. Yeah, it's it's it's it's bad.
Speaker 1: So but you know what's not bad, Chris and services
Speaker 1: that that support this podcast. Products and services are always uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Chris, A lot of people say some of
Speaker 1: our products and services back death squads themselves. I don't
Speaker 1: agree with that. I think one of the beautiful promises
Speaker 1: that the Raytheon Corporation has for the world is a
Speaker 1: future without death squads because robots can kill those people
Speaker 1: from the sky. Chris, that's the sky. To pen a
Speaker 1: bunch of soldiers who are funked up on cocaine and
Speaker 1: math amphetamine, to gun down a bunch of children in
Speaker 1: a village, you just bomb it from the air the drone.
Speaker 1: There's a real risk here, which is we're cutting the
Speaker 1: legs out of the child soldier industry. I know, but
Speaker 1: you know, look, disruption has to come for every industry. Eventually,
Speaker 1: one day you and I will be replaced with a
Speaker 1: robot that perfectly mimics Joe Rogan's voice. Um, and like that.
Speaker 1: You know, child soldiers are going to be replaced by drones.
Speaker 1: But we can still honor the legacy of the child
Speaker 1: soldier industry by having little kids pilot those drones because
Speaker 1: they're better at video games. That's true. It's Enders game.
Speaker 1: We've proven it mathematically. Yeah, Ender's game, but entirely targeting
Speaker 1: poor people in the global South. That's the promise of Raytheon.
Speaker 1: Al Right, here's some other ads. Oh boy, Chris, we
Speaker 1: get a lot of money for those Raytheon mid roles.
Speaker 1: I mean, we just we just that's that's our that's
Speaker 1: our salary for a while. My man. You want to
Speaker 1: continue on with this, uh, this enlightening story of good times? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So so. The the other thing that Moon's doing on
Speaker 1: college campuses is he's running a network of spies to
Speaker 1: spy on leftist activists and giving the information to conservative groups.
Speaker 1: This is like, this is like this is thing like this,
Speaker 1: this should be like for like any other organization. The
Speaker 1: fact that you're running a network of college campus spies
Speaker 1: to Tom through in a list like twenty things, each
Speaker 1: of which if a guy had done one, that would
Speaker 1: make them a worthy subject of this. This fi network
Speaker 1: has one sentence to my script. Yeah one, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's the second half network, which because you've gotta breeze
Speaker 1: over l Ron Hubbard's summoning the Antichrist with sex magic
Speaker 1: and you get his biography because there's just too much
Speaker 1: going on many so you know so and of one
Speaker 1: the reason why I'm brushing over this is that um,
Speaker 1: ininety two moonfounds probably the single most important American institution
Speaker 1: you ever found, The Washington Times. Um here's Bohey Park,
Speaker 1: the Times corporate president, describing why The Times was created. Quote,
Speaker 1: it is a total war, basically a war of ideas,
Speaker 1: war of mind. The battlefield, this is the battle. This
Speaker 1: is where the battle is fought. Son. In this war,
Speaker 1: the entire thing will be mobilized political means, social means,
Speaker 1: economic means, and propagandistic means and basically trying to take
Speaker 1: over the other person's mind. That is what the Third
Speaker 1: World War is all about. The war of ideology. Oh
Speaker 1: so he's yeah, he's doing a fourth generation war thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's yeah, he's he's very much kind of thinking, honestly
Speaker 1: on the same side as william S. Lnd Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's Scans. Yeah, now this is this is Reagan's favorite newspaper.
Speaker 1: He has his paper delivered to his office every single
Speaker 1: morning and he reads Christ in Heaven And absolutely enormous
Speaker 1: number of right wing journalists have passed through who over
Speaker 1: the years. So this is I mean, it's the name.
Speaker 1: I it's very familiar. I'm sure everyone listening to this
Speaker 1: is run into a Washington Times articles like like the
Speaker 1: half of their business is people like on social media
Speaker 1: mistaking them for the Post and it's like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and and so you know, there's a thing
Speaker 1: sayings all this like fairly. It was like this like
Speaker 1: a week or two ago, uh, the Washington the Washington
Speaker 1: Times like published an article calling basically screaming about like
Speaker 1: calling the CCP like I think it's a termite infestation.
Speaker 1: And it was like like, oh, there's these termites in
Speaker 1: the in our society have to be eliminated. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: so this is like but yeah, I just I just
Speaker 1: looked at the Washington Post and the Washington Times website
Speaker 1: next to each other. Almost identical fonts for the names,
Speaker 1: like deliberately almost identical fonts for the names. And I
Speaker 1: think people, I don't know, people, people, people look at
Speaker 1: the Washington Times doing something like that, You're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, look at the end office, Like, yeah, these guys,
Speaker 1: like these guys are so much worse. Like this, this
Speaker 1: is this is the this is the newspaper of a cult. Yeah,
Speaker 1: much like the Epoch Times. Yep, yeah, except yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean this, you know a lot, a lot of what's
Speaker 1: happening here like like like this, like the Moonies are
Speaker 1: just a better, like a more successful version of the
Speaker 1: Falling Gong in a lot of ways. I mean they do.
Speaker 1: One of the big differences would be that the Falling Gong,
Speaker 1: as terrible, as a lot of things about them are,
Speaker 1: legitimately has suffered repression and stuff like yeah, as opposed
Speaker 1: to these guys are fully the state is on board
Speaker 1: with them. Yeah yeah, And well I okay, so the
Speaker 1: UI State. We'll get to that in a second. Um,
Speaker 1: But you know, so, I want to especially mention some
Speaker 1: of these people. David Brooks gets to start in journalism
Speaker 1: as a writing movie reviews for them, like Patty Cannon
Speaker 1: is an ex Washington Times columnist. That makes sense, and
Speaker 1: they basically like invent the modern style of right wing journalism,
Speaker 1: Like these are the Times, like some of the first
Speaker 1: people to do the war on Christmas, Like they basically
Speaker 1: invent that. And you know, I want to you know
Speaker 1: that they have a very disturbing analysis of this. Um,
Speaker 1: I want to read one of their this is this
Speaker 1: is a poster that was made by one of the
Speaker 1: their affiliate groups. Because they have about a trillion news
Speaker 1: is available through more media than ever before and for
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day, much of it sounds the
Speaker 1: same our media giving people the facts they need in
Speaker 1: the twenty one century. Is the media's traditional role of
Speaker 1: reporting facts even still relevant? Is it time for the
Speaker 1: media to become guide dogs instead of watchdogs? So, and
Speaker 1: what they're guiding people to is white nationalism. The Times
Speaker 1: is extremely racist, incredibly pro pro Confederate, and they publish
Speaker 1: a bunch of literal Nazis um Francis booth count. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but but I mean, like like people who are more
Speaker 1: explicitly Nazi than pat U Cannon, which is fairly impressive. Yes,
Speaker 1: because he's written the whole book defending Hitler. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: so Francis Booth Coombs, who works at The Times, frequently
Speaker 1: he was he was like, he was like, they're one
Speaker 1: of their head publishers, and he frequently published his wife,
Speaker 1: who's the other main thing is rife rights for his
Speaker 1: storm front. Awesome, it's amazing. So here here's from the
Speaker 1: Southern Poverty Law Center. In one opinion piece in The Times,
Speaker 1: Coombs describes the whole of of human history as quote
Speaker 1: the struggle of races. Non white immigration, she wrote in
Speaker 1: another column is importing poverty and revolution that will end
Speaker 1: in the eventual loss of American sovereignty. In England, Muslims
Speaker 1: are turning life in this once pleasant land into misery
Speaker 1: for its native inhabitants. It's real, like and this is
Speaker 1: this is just one example that I've pulled out. Are
Speaker 1: dozens of people at the time to write stuff exactly
Speaker 1: like this. It's horrifying. I've talked a bit before about
Speaker 1: the Defender of Djer. They're they're huge, huge defenders, are
Speaker 1: a part tight in South Africa. They are Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, it's it's. It's one of the
Speaker 1: worst institutions in the US and they in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways it's like it's they kind of serve a
Speaker 1: role sort of similar to what info Wars does, right,
Speaker 1: where like you have this one sort of they they'll
Speaker 1: they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll do the Alex Jones think right,
Speaker 1: They'll they'll they'll pick a headline from another news source
Speaker 1: completely misinterpreted, turned it into an outraged machine, and then
Speaker 1: they'll feed you to the right to the rest of
Speaker 1: the right wing press and it goes through like Fox News. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they're they're kind of more like bright Bart and
Speaker 1: that there they camouflaged themselves as more legitimate. And then
Speaker 1: also like you know, especially with Reagan, like they just
Speaker 1: directly have access to the president because this is their
Speaker 1: favorite magazine, like this this is this is Reagan's favorite newspaper.
Speaker 1: And you know, one of the other things they do
Speaker 1: is so the Korean government, uh, there's there's there's there's
Speaker 1: a pro democracy uprising in the city at Guansju, and
Speaker 1: that they make this commune. It's it's one of the
Speaker 1: sort of incredible revolution stream moments in world history, and
Speaker 1: the Korean government just murders them, absolutely butchers them um
Speaker 1: and the Times does propaganda like you know, Times runs
Speaker 1: cover for the Korean government. And this is so bad
Speaker 1: that even like the other right wingers at the times
Speaker 1: just resigned in mass because they're like, I, I won't
Speaker 1: be a part of this, Like the South Korean government
Speaker 1: literally murdering a bunch of protomocracy protesters, that that order
Speaker 1: to defend the South Korean government comes directly from the top,
Speaker 1: It comes directly from Moon, it comes directly from Bohepok,
Speaker 1: and they're trying to protect the new South Korean government
Speaker 1: after the k C I a shop performer dictator Perk
Speaker 1: Chung he in his bunker, which is a story that
Speaker 1: I will tell like another time on this podcast. South
Speaker 1: Korea deserves as much time as North Korea. Yeah there,
Speaker 1: I'm working on episodes, but yeah, we will tell that later.
Speaker 1: But you know, Moon is just directly running in inference
Speaker 1: of the fact that like his bosses just murdered the
Speaker 1: president now does right weight media blitz isn't just an
Speaker 1: American affair. Moon is putting on newspapers across the world,
Speaker 1: including the Sergey Times in Korea, the Middle East Times
Speaker 1: in Cairo, and Sekai Nepo in Japan. Now Sakai Nipo
Speaker 1: is fun because they directly advocate for Japan invading Manchuria again,
Speaker 1: which yeah, because it went so well last Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: And you know that this is where I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: You know that the whole thing about how they about
Speaker 1: how the Mooney's run that scam where they make people
Speaker 1: like pay indulgences for all the war crimes that Japan
Speaker 1: did in Korea. Oh boy, They're advocating for them to
Speaker 1: do it again. It's it's great. Well, I mean God
Speaker 1: forgave them so kind of like graspute and believed you
Speaker 1: got to get back in there and start sending again. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: he's not going to forgive. I should I should specifically
Speaker 1: mentioned this. God does not forgive Tojo. Moon forgives Tojo.
Speaker 1: Well yea personally someone a little more powerful than God,
Speaker 1: and Moon is just much much better than God. I
Speaker 1: think Moon would agree. Yeah. Now, Moon's increasing hold over
Speaker 1: the media was tested in Japan when Yoshi Kazu sho Jima,
Speaker 1: a former churchman, attempted to fight like a full scale
Speaker 1: church takeover of Sakai Nepo in Japan. Now Moon sends
Speaker 1: in the Yakuza from the book Inside the League on
Speaker 1: the first of October about a hundred people, including about
Speaker 1: thirty and special karate training groups, barged into the papers offices.
Speaker 1: They broke this pretty papers and beat up some of
Speaker 1: the employees. On second of nineteen eighty four, so Jima
Speaker 1: was attacked outside his home in Tokyo and stabbed repeatedly,
Speaker 1: according to police reports. When the attack occurred, he was
Speaker 1: preparing an article critical of Moon Man. Can't one team
Speaker 1: of like karate soldiers be sent into a place and
Speaker 1: not in the I I'm going to do an episode
Speaker 1: at some point about karate because it's so fucked up.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that one of the things
Speaker 1: is important to note is that the World Karate Federation
Speaker 1: was founded by Sasakawa, the that that Japanese fascist and
Speaker 1: one of Moon's lieutenants. So yeah, all the karate people
Speaker 1: like huge supply of bodyguards for South Korean dictators are well.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna have to go to cross mcgaff
Speaker 1: for an unpro problematic martial art. Time to google KRAG
Speaker 1: for the first time. You know, it's it's bad now.
Speaker 1: So while all of this is happening, like this is
Speaker 1: you know, this this is some ways is move moment
Speaker 1: of triumph. But there's two disasters that strike. One is
Speaker 1: the death of his seventeen year old son huang Jin.
Speaker 1: Now this is a major problem from Boone theologically because
Speaker 1: he has written that people can only reach the Kingdom
Speaker 1: of Heaven if they're married. So naturally, what kills his
Speaker 1: son's dead? He's driving an suv on an icy road
Speaker 1: and yeah, well he wasn't. Well he's just like is
Speaker 1: not is a seventeen year old and it's not good
Speaker 1: at driving an ice and okay, yeah he I don't
Speaker 1: there's there's no evidence he got murdered. Uh So, So
Speaker 1: naturally Moon solves the problem of his son can't go
Speaker 1: to heaven because he wasn't married by marrying the dead
Speaker 1: huang Jin off to Bohey poks daughter Hudson Pac. I
Speaker 1: mean potentially a great deal because you don't have to
Speaker 1: deal with a lot of the traditional downside of marriage. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Hun Sun Park later said that the experience was quote
Speaker 1: like being emotionally raped. So yeah, not good. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait an extra second before the Chris, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's not good. Um yeah, and this is like
Speaker 1: while this is going on, like what while while Moon's
Speaker 1: having his deskquad adventures, Like there's just still a bunch
Speaker 1: of horrible stuff happening at your personally in the church.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I don't have a good segue from this
Speaker 1: and so what I'm about to read. So Moon also
Speaker 1: said about Huang Jen's death, if the sacrifice of huang
Speaker 1: Jin Nim had not been made one if either too
Speaker 1: great calamities could have happened. Either the Korean nation could
Speaker 1: have suffered a catastrophic setback, suchach invasion from the North,
Speaker 1: or I myself could have been assassinated, Which I think
Speaker 1: it's a secret where he's like, my son has died.
Speaker 1: How do I spin this? How do I spend this? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he hadn't died, Uh one, if two equally bad
Speaker 1: things gonna happen, I could die or North Korea could invade.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like and he's consistently do doing the
Speaker 1: thing that you're not supposed to do as a person.
Speaker 1: Um like say that God thinks that you're better than God,
Speaker 1: or say that well, at least it was my son
Speaker 1: that died and not me, Like these are like real
Speaker 1: big but um, but it's just cool. It's fine, that's
Speaker 1: that's great. It's it's a good time. Um. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: Moon's other problem is with the law. Moon gets indicted
Speaker 1: on a number of in the US because he died
Speaker 1: on a number of count related to the fact that
Speaker 1: literally everything he does is indescribably illegal, and the government
Speaker 1: is trying to sort of trying to get him on
Speaker 1: tax charges. Um Moon. Like, Moon loses this case and
Speaker 1: gets convicted of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and perjury. And
Speaker 1: it's important to remember what he's convicted of because even
Speaker 1: before Moon is convicted, he launches this massive advertising complain
Speaker 1: complaining that he's like he's being religiously and racially persecuted
Speaker 1: by a government that hates religion, and there's like this
Speaker 1: cult obsession and it's just that they don't they just
Speaker 1: don't understand his new religion. And this works to nish
Speaker 1: to SUSA gives a speech defending him. God at look,
Speaker 1: You've brought up a lot of frustrating names, but that's
Speaker 1: the first one that made me a'm God damn it.
Speaker 1: Lawrence Tribe shows up to argue that this whole prosecution
Speaker 1: is an attack on the First Amendment and the government
Speaker 1: is going after him for holding church money, his own money.
Speaker 1: In the same account, which is like a standard practice
Speaker 1: for small churches. Uh tribe. Okay, so the a c
Speaker 1: l U is involved in this. I've seen conflicting accounts
Speaker 1: as whether it was just the New York chapter or
Speaker 1: the entire ac LU, but some of the a c
Speaker 1: l U, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and the National
Speaker 1: Association of Evangelicals. I'll argue that if Moon is convicted,
Speaker 1: the government will like come after churches everywhere, So we
Speaker 1: have to defend Moon now. And of course none of
Speaker 1: this ever happens. Yeah, no, this is, none of this
Speaker 1: ever happens. There's no persecution ever because it's all lie.
Speaker 1: Moon is put in prison, if you remember, for obstruction
Speaker 1: of justice, perjury, and conspiracy, not tax evasion, right, Like
Speaker 1: he's not, that's not what he goes down for. It
Speaker 1: Like he goes down because he's running an enormous money
Speaker 1: laundering operation that is smuggling money in the socks of
Speaker 1: ballet dancers to move yakas in money to Latin American
Speaker 1: death squads like that. That's what he's actually doing with this,
Speaker 1: and that's a crime. Now, we don't let that happen
Speaker 1: in America. But this is a thing. Like to this
Speaker 1: day you can find conservatives on on forum post talking
Speaker 1: about how like like like the like the rational skeptic
Speaker 1: people will be like Moon was like unjustly prosecutors Like no,
Speaker 1: they they he got off like so easy for the
Speaker 1: number of crimes. He's like, dude, Shane saw it hit
Speaker 1: him in half, It wouldn't have been an unjust prosecution
Speaker 1: like she like like this guy, this guy ran Koreans
Speaker 1: like ran Korean ci influence operations on on sitting American senators. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is like a dullest level piece of ship, like
Speaker 1: just let it happen. No. Nevertheless, Jerry Farwell and Tim Lahay,
Speaker 1: founders in the Moral Majority, joined and and they argue
Speaker 1: that he's being persecuted by sexular humanists, which is their
Speaker 1: version of cultural Marxism. It's great. Yeah, yeah, the original
Speaker 1: term was pagan statism actually, and it's gone through a
Speaker 1: few permutations before we hit cultural Marxists, which seems to
Speaker 1: scan best now. Yeah. Hey, it takes five thousand dollars
Speaker 1: from Moon and creates the Coalition for Religious Freedom, which
Speaker 1: is like focused on defending Moon. Um. Jerry Farwell, who
Speaker 1: had denounced Moon as a devil, praying on American children
Speaker 1: in speaks at a banquet run by c I USA
Speaker 1: five and sits on the Coalition for Religious Freedom's board,
Speaker 1: and you know, pre I mean it's okay, yeah, Like
Speaker 1: prison turns out to have been like an incredible boon
Speaker 1: from Moon. It lets some like completely you know, because
Speaker 1: he were like Moon Moon in the seventies, he is
Speaker 1: like one of the most hated figures in America because
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he's the cult guy. And by
Speaker 1: the mid eighties, he you know, he's he's gone, he's
Speaker 1: completely rehabilitated his image and he's now like fully integrated
Speaker 1: into the into the Christian right. And it's in crimes
Speaker 1: crimes and an enormous amount of money and you can
Speaker 1: do whatever, you can fund every desk on Earth now.
Speaker 1: But back in the church, things had taken an extremely
Speaker 1: bizarre turn. Um in the summer of nine, church leaders
Speaker 1: heard that Moon's dead son huang Jin, had returned to
Speaker 1: Earth in the body of a church member from Zimbabwe,
Speaker 1: Cleopas Kudiona, was accepted by Moon as a reincarnation of
Speaker 1: huang Jin whose body who spirit possessed his body. Um
Speaker 1: Moon like ap points him as like a church inquisitor,
Speaker 1: and so he would go around like beating church members
Speaker 1: until they like confess to something they did wrong. And
Speaker 1: it's apparently really brutal. He like beats priests and their
Speaker 1: wives unconscious. There's a there's a story about him. Like
Speaker 1: he takes out a gun and just like starts shooting
Speaker 1: bullets into a pool and then orders everyone to go
Speaker 1: like pick up the bullets from inside the pool. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he even he even beats Bohei Pawk like so
Speaker 1: badly that Pac has to go to a hospital to
Speaker 1: have like fluid drain from his brain. And this is
Speaker 1: the point at which Moon is like, I've had enough
Speaker 1: of this man. Yeah, and he he has my son
Speaker 1: beats one lass guy than that. Yeah, And so he
Speaker 1: declares that the huang Jin spirit has left the body
Speaker 1: of Hung Jin comes back to life to just beat
Speaker 1: the ship out of some people and then goes right
Speaker 1: off to the spirit realm again. Ye incredible day. It's
Speaker 1: It's wild. One of the funny things ones like this
Speaker 1: is like there are so many church leaders who are
Speaker 1: just like randomly showing up with like bruises on them.
Speaker 1: They're like one of their like American like pretty prominent
Speaker 1: American followers is like convincers, like communist plot going on
Speaker 1: to like disrupt the leadership with the church, and it's
Speaker 1: just the other things that they call him black huang Jin.
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's bad. I mean, okay. Also really Scan
Speaker 1: is bad within the context of the episode. Well, so
Speaker 1: I should briefly talk about there's there there's like a
Speaker 1: there's like a so Moon is like a big like
Speaker 1: racial unity guy. So like like you know, he he
Speaker 1: like he was promoting integration in the seventies and yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean is actually a number of really problematic guys
Speaker 1: who during the conversations and integration were on the right side.
Speaker 1: We could talk about the fucking um um oh you
Speaker 1: know the kool aid do what do you college Jim
Speaker 1: Jim Jones. Yeah, but but but but but I will say,
Speaker 1: so Moon is lying about this. Moon does not actually
Speaker 1: believe in racial quality. He in his like inside the church,
Speaker 1: the racism from the death squad guy. Yeah, there's there's
Speaker 1: this like internal hierarchy basically like people in the church
Speaker 1: and it's like Koreans are on top, and then I
Speaker 1: think it's like Japs people and then white people and
Speaker 1: then like black people are on the bottom, and there's
Speaker 1: like there's there's some there's some racism stuff going on there.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I didn't write enormous about about it because
Speaker 1: there's so many death squads and we still haven't even
Speaker 1: gotten to the next thing we're about to get to,
Speaker 1: which is uh Kim Il Sung. So yeah, Moon Moon
Speaker 1: ironically lives to see the death of communism like in
Speaker 1: the Triumph of the Market economy, literally everywhere except for
Speaker 1: North Korea well, which is yeah, still keeping on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, he's the Moon is convinced that like
Speaker 1: collapses coming any day now is like the brilliant wall
Speaker 1: falls and the other stars imploding. And the Moon begins
Speaker 1: secret talks with North Korea, and later that year she's
Speaker 1: finally able to meet Kimmel Sung and return to return
Speaker 1: to North Korea for the first time since the Korean War.
Speaker 1: Now Kim Il Sung has uh like has like Moon's
Speaker 1: childhood home like refurbished, and Moon goes to visit his
Speaker 1: home and then they have this like meeting where they
Speaker 1: like they like, they like hug it out and Kimmel
Speaker 1: Sung says, let us forget the past. Most important now
Speaker 1: is the future. Um the defense Intelligence Agency claims that
Speaker 1: Moon paid millions of dollars to a secret overseas bank
Speaker 1: account to get the meeting and secure future investment rights.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true. The only evidence were
Speaker 1: the only sources of Defense Intelligence Agency, so they might
Speaker 1: just be lying. It might also be true. But whatever happened,
Speaker 1: it works. Kimmel, Sung and Moon we're now in business together.
Speaker 1: Moon invests somewhere between fifty and sixty million dollars into
Speaker 1: a joint North Korean South Korean car company called peng
Speaker 1: Kuan Motors, and was it allowed the extremely rare privilege
Speaker 1: of like putting up corporate billboards in North Korea for
Speaker 1: this company. And here's a fun quote from from Church stands.
Speaker 1: The North Korea stands are gonna billboards and the socialist
Speaker 1: paradise so here here's a fun quote from a church officer,
Speaker 1: Uh Park Song Quan, who's the head of the joint venture.
Speaker 1: We are bound to succeed. There are no unions, low
Speaker 1: labor costs, the workers are very clever, very quick to learn,
Speaker 1: and they are harshly controlled by their superiors. Paradise Church,
Speaker 1: I thought, is the one your revolutionary ideology. I've always
Speaker 1: said that Sophie will tell you. I say that to
Speaker 1: her every day time, like all her in the room
Speaker 1: of the night, screaming it at the top of my lungs.
Speaker 1: He's also like investing in Vietnam and China for like
Speaker 1: similar reasons, neither of whom seemed to have any objections
Speaker 1: of taking money from a man who had their former
Speaker 1: comrades literally burned alive. I mean, look, once you get
Speaker 1: to the point where people have a lot of money,
Speaker 1: nobody actually believes anything. It's great. It's great. So yeah,
Speaker 1: the other thing Moon is able to do is he
Speaker 1: The Washington Times gets the first, like the first interview
Speaker 1: with any North Korean leader in the Western pressent twenty years,
Speaker 1: and the Times basically publishes like a puff piece praising
Speaker 1: Kimmel Song. So, you know, you might be asking yourself,
Speaker 1: how does this dude who has literally spent his entire
Speaker 1: career being full of munism, how is he justifying allying
Speaker 1: with Kimmel Sung. And the answer is that he justifies
Speaker 1: it by calling it a triumph of his sheer power
Speaker 1: to fuse together himself and his enemy Kane, enable God
Speaker 1: and Satan yinon Yang, and even his own followers are like, no, like,
Speaker 1: leave this because he's basically saying, well, is the only
Speaker 1: problem with communism was that they didn't like me, but
Speaker 1: now they like me. And it's funny because he is
Speaker 1: like one of the largest like funders of the North
Speaker 1: Korean economy. Stay, he's like the big people putting money
Speaker 1: into it. It's it's incredible, um and you know, and
Speaker 1: this is you know, but but you know, his followers
Speaker 1: leaving the church is kind of a theme from Women.
Speaker 1: The Moon in the nineties and the nineties a kind
Speaker 1: of a rough time for him. George H. W. Bush,
Speaker 1: who was a big enough Moon supporter to tour Japan
Speaker 1: and Argentina with him, you know, losing the election, and
Speaker 1: Moon claims this is a result of Bush refusing to
Speaker 1: sign papers calling Korea the Country of Eternal Peace, supreme
Speaker 1: over all other nations. It's like, yeah, he didn't make
Speaker 1: me king, so that's why he lost. But he starts
Speaker 1: pivoting to try to be like a civil rights leader,
Speaker 1: and he forms this thing called the Women's Federation from
Speaker 1: World Peace, which argues that women's liberation is submitting traditional
Speaker 1: gender roles. And then he also starts paying a bunch
Speaker 1: of old civil rights leaders to back him and like
Speaker 1: courting these like socially conservative black churches. And you know,
Speaker 1: while he's doing this, he also bails out Liberty University
Speaker 1: for three point five million dollars when he thinks no
Speaker 1: one's looking. It's great, it's great. He's baid out Liberty University.
Speaker 1: But in Unstuckhong publishes a book called in the Shadow
Speaker 1: of the Moon's My life in the Reverend Sun Young
Speaker 1: Moon's family, Nonsuck Hong is the wife of Moon's first son,
Speaker 1: like for Someng with his wife Steve, who's Steve last
Speaker 1: scene threatening to rape and kill another woman for having
Speaker 1: a child with Moon. Yeah he's great. So Steve Moon
Speaker 1: is a problem child. He can't be disciplined, he drinks constantly,
Speaker 1: and he just wants to be a rock star in
Speaker 1: South Korea, which normally I'm on board with, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, son of a called leader, I just want
Speaker 1: to be rock star. Um. Moon is mad about this
Speaker 1: because he's like, okay, well, my son needs to lead
Speaker 1: the church. So his plan is to get a successor
Speaker 1: back in line is to marry him off to the
Speaker 1: fifteen year old non Sukong, apparently on the logic that
Speaker 1: having a wife who's young enough to be easily controlled
Speaker 1: wul turn him into a proper patriarch or something. And
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's bad. I Hung is basically just like
Speaker 1: like just Steve treats treat her as a servant. Um
Speaker 1: she has to like can food every morning, and you
Speaker 1: know she she talks about this time like basically like
Speaker 1: smiling and being cheery every day before crying yourself to
Speaker 1: sleep every night. Um Hung gets pregndent, I think for
Speaker 1: the first time at seventeen, and she has she eventually
Speaker 1: has five kids. On what we're pregnant with the fifth kid,
Speaker 1: she can rent Steve, who's been doing literally millions of
Speaker 1: dollars of cocaine, like he is he is like defrauding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's pretty rad. Look, no, no notes on that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the problem with this is that you know he
Speaker 1: is like not helping raise his sons and daughters. And
Speaker 1: so um Hung like confronted about this, and she tries
Speaker 1: to flush some of the cocaine down the toilet. And
Speaker 1: here's how the New Republic describes what happened next. Steve
Speaker 1: quote smashed my face fast, his fist into my face,
Speaker 1: blooding my nose hung later recalled, he wiped my blood
Speaker 1: on his hand and licked it off. Taste good. He said,
Speaker 1: this is fun. It's yeah, it's it's not good. Um
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, like's just licking the blood off his hand
Speaker 1: and saying, this tastes good, this is fun. Like what
Speaker 1: it's yeah, I mean, yeah, it does, yeah, Steve. Steve
Speaker 1: then threatens to kill her baby and like keeps on beating. Here,
Speaker 1: she shares from an interview she gave a CBS is
Speaker 1: sixty minutes. He beat me so severely I thought he
Speaker 1: would kill the baby in my womb. He made me
Speaker 1: clean up the spilled white powder from the floor, even
Speaker 1: as you continue to beat me. Later he would offer
Speaker 1: religious justification for beating me half senseless, a woman seven
Speaker 1: months pregnant. He was teaching me to be humble in
Speaker 1: the presence of the Messiah. Yeah, yeah, that's um. That's
Speaker 1: unfortunately a really common line of like you talked to
Speaker 1: people who are in kind of like homeschooling colts and
Speaker 1: you know, raised in sort of like to train up
Speaker 1: a child kind of bullshit. Like, Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of justifications for child abution, special abuse in different Christian
Speaker 1: sects that are like, well, this is I'm humbling you.
Speaker 1: You have to be humble for God, and like yeah,
Speaker 1: it's horrible and you know this is this is this.
Speaker 1: But the reason of this book and the interviews, um,
Speaker 1: like Hog is actually like she's she actually she's able
Speaker 1: to get away from Moon and she's able to live
Speaker 1: her own life. I mean, like people like church members
Speaker 1: like keep continuously calling her and like stuff like that happens.
Speaker 1: But she's able to get out and she publishes his book.
Speaker 1: And this book does like enormous damage to Moon because
Speaker 1: you know, here's this guy who's supposed to have been
Speaker 1: like like he's you know, he's supposed to have been him.
Speaker 1: He's the most he's literally the Messiah, and he's he's
Speaker 1: to him and his children are like his children supposed
Speaker 1: to be be the first generation of new perfect children and
Speaker 1: this is what they're doing and this is really bad
Speaker 1: for the church. Um So Moon begins to change his
Speaker 1: strategy once again. His new plan is he's going to
Speaker 1: get the US to crown him king. Okay, okay, how
Speaker 1: did that go? In two thousand four, Congressman twenty six
Speaker 1: ambassadors to the US and like five hundred other dignitaries
Speaker 1: gathered in the Dirkson Senate Office Building. According to one
Speaker 1: description of the events, Republican Roscoe Bartlett bowed before the
Speaker 1: couple and Democrat Danny Davis carried out one of the
Speaker 1: two golden crowns that were placed on their heads. Wait what.
Speaker 1: Moon then informed the audience that kings and presidents had
Speaker 1: declared him humanity savior and that Jesus, Buddha, Hitler, and
Speaker 1: Stellin had been reborn as new persons to his teachings. Wow,
Speaker 1: it turns out did that make it into anybody's like campaign?
Speaker 1: And it's trying to unsee these guys that seems like
Speaker 1: there was like I feel like he even today, if
Speaker 1: somebody in Congress did that, a lot of folks would
Speaker 1: There was like week everyone was like, oh hey, all
Speaker 1: all these senators went to a went to a ceremony
Speaker 1: with they literally crowned this guy king and everyone was like,
Speaker 1: he gives us money, and just nobody cares. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: look it was a metaphor, but why are you asking
Speaker 1: he gives his money? So so apparently he bribed a
Speaker 1: bunch of these people to be there by giving them
Speaker 1: gold watches. The Congressman's show up and are like, wait,
Speaker 1: hold on, I thought we were just giving him an award.
Speaker 1: Why are we crowding him king? And like the American
Speaker 1: press is just like this is a curiosity, okay, whatever, Yeah,
Speaker 1: some signs its crowns, sung set, crown, Reverend Moon King.
Speaker 1: I feel like the one thing we all lot and
Speaker 1: clearly we can't, but the one thing Americans should generally
Speaker 1: agree on is don't crown people king. That's like the
Speaker 1: whole thing that we were against. But no, like, this
Speaker 1: is this is what like, you know, this is all
Speaker 1: at changeable. Guess why it gets so mad about the
Speaker 1: fact that, like, like the fact that we support Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1: It's like, there's one principle, can we not one thing?
Speaker 1: They keep doing it bad, they keep making kings and
Speaker 1: so yeah, and this is this is like this is
Speaker 1: an internally this is an enormous propagandic couper Moon um.
Speaker 1: You know here like literally leaders of the United States
Speaker 1: bowing to him and crowning him king and so Moon
Speaker 1: like retreats to a palace modeled aft the Capital model
Speaker 1: after the Capital building that he is constructed in Korea.
Speaker 1: After taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from bushes faith
Speaker 1: of government money by the way, from bushes faith based initiatives.
Speaker 1: It's great now, you know, but by by the time
Speaker 1: you get to the late two thousands, Moons how this
Speaker 1: is failing. He has I think he gets cancer. Um.
Speaker 1: His daughter in Jin Moon starts to take over the
Speaker 1: church around two ten UM. She takes over through a
Speaker 1: bunch of incredibly complicated political maneuvering. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: get into here, but she's able to take control of
Speaker 1: most of the church, but not all of it. And
Speaker 1: this is important because her so she's able to take
Speaker 1: control of like like the organization that's the church, right,
Speaker 1: but she's not able to take control of the holding
Speaker 1: group that they fundel all their money through. So the
Speaker 1: jillions of dollars she doesn't have access. Yeah and well yeah,
Speaker 1: so that the show company goes to her brother Preston,
Speaker 1: who does Mark Yeah why yeah, I mean he okay,
Speaker 1: like he's not the worst of the family branch, but
Speaker 1: he like he basically takes the money and he sets
Speaker 1: up like a new church with the same theology, except
Speaker 1: without the like the Moon family members. As Messiah's um
Speaker 1: engine calls him, quote a fallen Adam being controlled by Satan,
Speaker 1: and Preston says like basically the same like similar things
Speaker 1: about her, and this is the first of like a
Speaker 1: myriad of fractures that would consume the church as Reverend's
Speaker 1: health declinity lost control. The good news is that if
Speaker 1: you're that guy, if you're the guy, even God is
Speaker 1: like this, dude knows what's up. Um, you're probably not
Speaker 1: going to have anyone who's capable of being that bold.
Speaker 1: And they have to be after you know, although replacements
Speaker 1: just almost certainly not going to be not going to
Speaker 1: have that kind of hunt. I mean, the other they
Speaker 1: don't do that. Well, okay, engine just terribly she she
Speaker 1: her thing is you know, so the probably by doesn't sime.
Speaker 1: You're you're in the Obama years, right, like the golden
Speaker 1: age where there were no problems not. What I will
Speaker 1: say though, is that this is actually like this is
Speaker 1: the first time that the church hasn't been able to
Speaker 1: write a cultural shift because you know, like like the
Speaker 1: war majority stuff, it's like as a politics kind of
Speaker 1: like like but I mean, you know, Obama like it's
Speaker 1: kind of dying, like I mean, it's still around, but
Speaker 1: like it doesn't. That's like that that that kind of
Speaker 1: right wing, like like the pure the Christian version of it,
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't fully you emerge again until Trump and
Speaker 1: then when it doesn't, when it comes back on to
Speaker 1: the trumpets, it's you know, like it's it's it's like
Speaker 1: a more fascist like version of it. And while they're
Speaker 1: trying to write this transition, they screw up. Um. And
Speaker 1: she like attempts to modernize the church. So she gets
Speaker 1: rid of all like the old hymns and chanting, replaces
Speaker 1: them with like guitar hero and ping pong tournaments and shustle.
Speaker 1: She launches a rock band called Sonic Cult. And and
Speaker 1: she she she even is like, oh, we should encourage
Speaker 1: kids to like have a role in choosing their partners. Um,
Speaker 1: this is an apocall disaster for the church. Internal church
Speaker 1: documents show that church membership in the US drop from
Speaker 1: twenty six thousand to seven thousand and two months. She's like, wow,
Speaker 1: that is like, yeah, that is that is that is
Speaker 1: a pretty pretty quick fault. Now when when when Moon
Speaker 1: finally dies in Moon's wife just like almost immediately outserved
Speaker 1: by so engine had had a child out a wedlock. Um,
Speaker 1: and that's like that's like literally the worst sin you
Speaker 1: can possibly do in the church. And so she like
Speaker 1: reveals this and engine just like disappears. Um. But you
Speaker 1: know even after this coup that the church continues to fragment.
Speaker 1: And the most famous of these breakaway shards is huang
Speaker 1: Jin Shan Moon's breakaway Faction, which is now known as
Speaker 1: the Air fifteen Church for conducting rich rules and Marriages
Speaker 1: Air fifteen. Yeah. Yeah, so it's interesting. This is an
Speaker 1: interesting faction because you know, he doesn't have like Sean
Speaker 1: doesn't have either the money of like Preston's breakaway Church,
Speaker 1: nor does he have the connections that like the main churches,
Speaker 1: because you know, I mean the main church are the
Speaker 1: people who hold on to leadership in like South Korea,
Speaker 1: they hold on to it in in like in Africa,
Speaker 1: they hold mon to South America the whole aunts Japanese
Speaker 1: branch in particular. But what Shawn's faction does have is
Speaker 1: car arms. She's yeah, so so he so he chooses,
Speaker 1: like you know, with with car arms and you know,
Speaker 1: with with with this sort of like thing going on,
Speaker 1: he chooses like publicity sounds rebuild his membership. So you know,
Speaker 1: he he dawns a crown of bullets and rallies around
Speaker 1: like Revelation to seven, which says he shall rule them
Speaker 1: with a rod of iron. It's it's very like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is a lot, and knowing that the news like
Speaker 1: obviously it's gonna look Sonettie, that the news will go
Speaker 1: crazy over it and then yea a boom attention economy. Maybe. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know what, Shawn isn't totally without connections and resources. Um,
Speaker 1: both Steve Bannon and Patriot Prayer founder Joey Gibson show
Speaker 1: up to one of his events, and I think Steve
Speaker 1: Bannon is a connection Joey Gibson so much. Not so much.
Speaker 1: I do up Joey Gibson though, because well, joe in
Speaker 1: the fact that he controls car arms all make the
Speaker 1: fact that he shows up to the capital on his
Speaker 1: father's birthday January six, it helps storm it all the
Speaker 1: more disturbing. Yeah, that's good, that's that makes sense that
Speaker 1: we were heading there. And if they had another reason,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, birthday party. It wasn't just it wasn't
Speaker 1: just the Trump stuff. Looking there were a lot of
Speaker 1: reasons for me to be storming that thing today. Now
Speaker 1: a year later, Trump gave a nine eleven speech to
Speaker 1: a packed Mainline Unification church event led by Moon's wife,
Speaker 1: he said, quote, what what they have achieved on the
Speaker 1: Peninsula is just amazing in just a few decades. The
Speaker 1: inspiration that they have caused for the entire planet is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And I congratulate you again and again. So so Trump,
Speaker 1: this makes Trump, I said, I said, there were six
Speaker 1: presidents right who've even met him or supported his organizations.
Speaker 1: So that's Eisenhower, Nixon, Uh, George Bush, George H. W. Bush,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, and Donald Trump. So this is a wonderful
Speaker 1: two party system here. Absolutely shocked that Clinton was not
Speaker 1: on there. It's completely stunned. This this is because the
Speaker 1: Moon hates Clinton. Moon like like when when Clinton Clinton
Speaker 1: wins the election, Boone is like the US has been
Speaker 1: taken over by Satan and like leaves for you know
Speaker 1: that does scan based on the time that does scan?
Speaker 1: I guess yeah. And actually one of the other things
Speaker 1: that I didn't mention in this was is that the
Speaker 1: Washington Times are like some of the people who like
Speaker 1: start the like so when when when Hillary does the
Speaker 1: one good thing she's ever done her entire life, which
Speaker 1: was advocating for universal healthcare. They like, that's when they
Speaker 1: start like a bunch of the like anti Clinton, like
Speaker 1: Asher turf stuff. Yeah. So and to to to close,
Speaker 1: to close this out, I'm going to I'm gonna end
Speaker 1: this episode by reading a list of prominent American conservatives
Speaker 1: involved with the Moonies in some way or another, either
Speaker 1: writing for their magazines, working for a friend group, giving speeches,
Speaker 1: or taking their money. David brooks Elliott, Abram, Pappy Kennon,
Speaker 1: George Bush, George H. W. Bush, Donald Trump, Mike Pants,
Speaker 1: Mark Pompeo, Mark esper and New King, rich Or in Hatch,
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan, go Over Northquest, Jack Abramoff, Richard Vigieri, Ed
Speaker 1: Fulner Strom, thurmant To, let's just use a Lawrence tribe,
Speaker 1: Jerry Fallwell, Steve Bannon, Tim Lahey, Ralph Read, Beverly Lahy,
Speaker 1: Gary Bauer, Gerald for Jack Camp and John Putt Horretz.
Speaker 1: And this is this is an incomplete list, Like I
Speaker 1: that's that's that's like hitting the hits. Yeah. And and
Speaker 1: this also does not include anyone from the Twelve Countries
Speaker 1: or Moon funded desquads. So yeah, that's reference moon what
Speaker 1: a green guy. Well you know what, as a fair man,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give kudos to a guy who went
Speaker 1: for it. You know, she good for you, but she
Speaker 1: got a bunch he got a bunch of of sitting
Speaker 1: US congressman and Senator to Crini King, Yeah that is
Speaker 1: that is an achievement has ever done. Is an achievement
Speaker 1: no one else. Yeah. Look, you know what, my I
Speaker 1: gotta just give one quiet salute, um in honor of
Speaker 1: this man's ambition and ability to somehow have an ass
Speaker 1: that could cash the kind of checks that he was writing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This this, this man had one glorious dream and it
Speaker 1: was dead babies. And he killed a lot of babies.
Speaker 1: He killed a lot of babies. He is going to
Speaker 1: be responsible for the death of a lot of babies
Speaker 1: in the future. And he made some pretty mediocre handguns. Um,
Speaker 1: don't buy a car, get a number of other guns. Look,
Speaker 1: if you want a tiny hand and get a don't know,
Speaker 1: Smith and Wilson bodyguard or something you don't you don't, don't,
Speaker 1: don't buy a car. Well, Chris, thank you for making
Speaker 1: me sad. I'm happy to question work, but I'm also
Speaker 1: happy because I didn't have to do as much work.
Speaker 1: This week, and I got to learn a story about
Speaker 1: a cult leader who is boy Howdy got to be
Speaker 1: in our gotta be in our top five. He's a
Speaker 1: Really the money is just ridiculous. Yeah yeah, it's Bride.
Speaker 1: It's just oh my god. Yeah, thank you Chris Man
Speaker 1: and listeners give me that kind of money. And I
Speaker 1: promise this was so many death squads, like, way more
Speaker 1: death squads than this guy, none of none of this
Speaker 1: other distraction bullshit. I'm going to go peer in on
Speaker 1: the death squads, you know, or don't behind the bastards
Speaker 1: guaranteed that does not have a Twitter at c h
Speaker 1: R three, go listen to it could happen here. We're
Speaker 1: going to do more about the World Anti Communist League
Speaker 1: because I I only scratched the surface of the horse.
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, well that's the episode. Goodbye and
Speaker 1: go with Christ who thinks that the Reverend Moon is
Speaker 1: way smarter than he is. Totally told me that at
Speaker 1: the dinner party. Jesus