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Speaker 1: but it ain't gonna actually happen. I'm the hype man
Speaker 1: they hate to hear. Man, So I don't you know,
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Speaker 1: You got a spoken word. We talked about more than
Speaker 1: just sports. You on R and B. So let's get
Speaker 1: to know the men first. Shan, tell us about your
Speaker 1: journey with the spoken word and with poetry. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I kind of I'm an auditor that like, I
Speaker 1: love to learn. I can't help myself. I'm attracted to it.
Speaker 1: And so every off season and even in college, I
Speaker 1: picked up some type of new craft just to keep
Speaker 1: me busy. And in college one time I picked up
Speaker 1: the guitar, never put it down. Another semester I picked
Speaker 1: up card tricks and I never put it down. So
Speaker 1: like during the every all season the NFL, I pick
Speaker 1: up stuff. And last last year, last all season, I
Speaker 1: picked up um archery and poetry and the rhyme on purpose.
Speaker 1: But so I just it's just something that it expands
Speaker 1: my mind, gets me away from football. It's fun for me,
Speaker 1: and I just rolled with it. It started off as
Speaker 1: a joke in the locker room. Everybody always freestylinge everybody.
Speaker 1: I'm the music guy in the locker room. So I
Speaker 1: got a big old box. It ain't supposed to be
Speaker 1: in there. I got that thing cranked up. So on Friday,
Speaker 1: everybody come over. We freestyling, and so I'm the hype man.
Speaker 1: They know I'm a hype everybody, y'all, room room, They're going,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I know you got
Speaker 1: something trying. Yeah, yeah, away. But now that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of a start into somebody's life. Shot you freestyles like
Speaker 1: now I'm too poetic for y'all. And so it was
Speaker 1: a joke, well let's hear some poetry. And I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, give me a topic. So we just started
Speaker 1: planning around there and that's where it started at. So
Speaker 1: you basically can hear a topic and go in. So
Speaker 1: it's like something poetry. Yeah, like at some point I
Speaker 1: come back to it. It ain't off. Yeah, that's something.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's feel like. It's it's kind
Speaker 1: of like I wrote all right, So playing the guitar,
Speaker 1: I just wrote a couple of songs and I had
Speaker 1: somebody else catch the melody and sing writing a song
Speaker 1: and writing poetry a completely different and how they sound like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to get it to go together. You know that cats
Speaker 1: are using ghostwriters these days. There's a need out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. Man, maybe you get ann That's fine. I'm
Speaker 1: playing nothing but slappers from Young Drake's and I'm not angry.
Speaker 1: Well that's how the poetry it's Uh, it's something that
Speaker 1: you said you each year look for something new to
Speaker 1: build upon outside of poetry, archery. What are some other
Speaker 1: things you've learned in the past that have become passions
Speaker 1: of yours? Oh, to become passions? Uh? Well, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm philanthropically driven, like I do a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: through foundation of my community. Because I was a short, overweight,
Speaker 1: chubby kid man with glasses and asthma. Had a point
Speaker 1: six g p a average on one point of time
Speaker 1: two seventy five pound fifth string running back talking about
Speaker 1: when to play in the NFL. So I had to
Speaker 1: overcome a lot of adversity to get here. And um,
Speaker 1: if I didn't have somebody come in my life not
Speaker 1: to change me, just got me in the right direction,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be here right. So I'll focus on mentorship
Speaker 1: because that helped me and and if I didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: start taking ownership and responsibility with my academics and have
Speaker 1: people help, I wouldn't be here with that point six.
Speaker 1: So through the foundation of focused on reading, the education
Speaker 1: and literacy because I had to reading comprehension Death of
Speaker 1: Sip and then my little chubby self, you know, I
Speaker 1: had to learn how to eat right and take care
Speaker 1: of my body. So health and fitness is a part
Speaker 1: of my foundation too. So that's really that's like my
Speaker 1: heart passion that I put a lot of attention to
Speaker 1: it on the all season. That's beautiful, man. Well that's dope. Man,
Speaker 1: that's dope. That's dope. Man. You got something like you.
Speaker 1: And I always tell people, man, find a purpose other
Speaker 1: than football. Like I always tell young guys, find a
Speaker 1: purpose other than football. I know, we we all loved
Speaker 1: it and thought of us a great career, money, all
Speaker 1: of those things. But you have to find another purpose,
Speaker 1: especially when you get to me being retired, bro, because
Speaker 1: if not, you know, you think, oh wow, it's no
Speaker 1: more football. I mean, what do I do now? You know?
Speaker 1: Me and Marshawn just had this conversation this past weekend,
Speaker 1: like he's like, Bro, I'm having fun. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: doing my thing, man, but that gets to a point
Speaker 1: where you crave that schedule. You crave something else to
Speaker 1: get you to get you going. But at first it
Speaker 1: was football. Um let's flip gears go to Alan Ay Alan.
Speaker 1: You appeared on UM Tattoo Competition master U. When'd you
Speaker 1: get your first tat and what is your favorite? My
Speaker 1: first tat, I want to say I got I was
Speaker 1: about fifteen. You want my sign for that? She did, Well,
Speaker 1: get out of here. You gotta cover it out now,
Speaker 1: I still got it. You got a good tat. It
Speaker 1: was one of my money. Um like this, I was
Speaker 1: really I was really struggling with UH in school and stuff.
Speaker 1: So then like, but I wanted this tattoo. So my
Speaker 1: mom just figured She's like, the only thing that would
Speaker 1: possibly influence me will be the text. Let you get
Speaker 1: the tape. She told me, if I had my GP
Speaker 1: at a certain uh certain percent, that I'll be able
Speaker 1: to get it. Okay, I got it done. That makes sense.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. You sleep out now. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't really have nothing on the outside of my armors, man,
Speaker 1: but my favorite tattoo probably be the Michigan catch. Oh.
Speaker 1: You got that on you? Oh did you do that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I seen it. I saw it on Twitter. I was
Speaker 1: at that game too. What was it? Four over times? Yeah? Man,
Speaker 1: that's just that Pans State love. We're not gonna talk
Speaker 1: about Pans State Okay. That was almost a set up
Speaker 1: for Rand and dig In getting us right there. Alan,
Speaker 1: We're not We're not gonna set it up that way.
Speaker 1: You know what. I want to jump into this now, man,
Speaker 1: t D. I'm sorry about this. Okay, I'm gonna jump
Speaker 1: into this right now. I gotta get Alan's take on this. Man,
Speaker 1: wild outs, I think you like in the top five
Speaker 1: right now? Give me your top five man, including me
Speaker 1: or excluding me. You gotta include you. You You gotta include yourself.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about be real. Let's make it one hunting
Speaker 1: if if it's your top five. Yeah, if you're in
Speaker 1: your top five, of course you include yourself. Okay, I
Speaker 1: was just checking. Yeah, So I would say, I gotta
Speaker 1: go a B Julio. Oh that's tough. Uh, A B
Speaker 1: Julio O'Dell me and Hop I like that no Green
Speaker 1: in there. I had to say him and him and
Speaker 1: Hop got to be five five b A man Hop
Speaker 1: Hop had a year. Yeah, crazy and dude and dude
Speaker 1: can get open. And he had like quarterbacks too. I
Speaker 1: mean seriously, that he's been that productive with that many quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. You guys got a special thing going down
Speaker 1: there in Jacksonville as well. Man, all the young talent
Speaker 1: that's out there. Like I remember I told you before
Speaker 1: we came on. I spoke to you right before you
Speaker 1: got drafted, and we were talking about where we thought
Speaker 1: you should go, and you know, all these things, and
Speaker 1: you have this very quiet confidence about you, like there
Speaker 1: was no braggadocious element to him. It was just like,
Speaker 1: i'n go out there and dominate, like people don't believe it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill it. And I was before his rookie
Speaker 1: year and he went out there and crush it. So
Speaker 1: it's got to be special for you knowing that you know,
Speaker 1: people did sleep on you, you you had a chip on
Speaker 1: your show. You went out there and proved that you're
Speaker 1: one of the elite towns in the league. But now
Speaker 1: you look across the other side to the bar and
Speaker 1: got a guy like Jalen Ramsey, guy like Myles Jack
Speaker 1: Maybe now those are the guys that have the impact
Speaker 1: on the defense that you did on the offense. What's
Speaker 1: a buzz down, buzz like down there in Jacksonville right now.
Speaker 1: I think that's what's special about us right now? You know,
Speaker 1: um in practice, you know, it's I don't know, iron,
Speaker 1: you know, with us now going against going against Jayalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey and then and then when I see on the
Speaker 1: other side of the field, you know, Hern's making plays.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just a constant, you know, challenge within
Speaker 1: the team, you know, as far as making plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I think that's what's special. So that's dope. Man.
Speaker 1: I tell you one thing y'all all have. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: keep it real. You ain't got no excuse this year.
Speaker 1: Y'all better win the South. Dog, I got at least
Speaker 1: from my you know, I'm picking y'all to win the
Speaker 1: South because I like us and all that, Us Bradley
Speaker 1: and all that. But ro Sorr he mentioned O'Dell in
Speaker 1: that um uh in that list, I think he's right
Speaker 1: up there too. Uh. Top receivers in this league. I'm
Speaker 1: hearing that you kind of like mentoring them a little bit,
Speaker 1: kind of showing them how to be a pro. Talk
Speaker 1: about his growth this uh this off season and what
Speaker 1: can we what can we expect from him next year? Yeah? Man,
Speaker 1: does he's special. He really is special. Remember his rookie year.
Speaker 1: You know it is as a veteran you start to
Speaker 1: look at rookie is a little different than like cheer
Speaker 1: him on and try especially which free agent got a
Speaker 1: chance to make the team. So we're watching. It was
Speaker 1: me and Peyton Hillis at the time when I first
Speaker 1: got to um to the Giants and when watching everybody running,
Speaker 1: O t s O'Dell ran a slant. He missed the
Speaker 1: ball right, but the way he ran a slant, I tapped,
Speaker 1: I tapped Pete. I said, hey, man, who is that kid?
Speaker 1: And uh, sure enough found out you know that's Odell
Speaker 1: and uh but he's special, man. But the thing about
Speaker 1: him that I like is he is he known as
Speaker 1: being a real flash. He likes playing the game in
Speaker 1: a certain way. He has fun. But uh, he never
Speaker 1: get recognized for how hard he worked. And when he
Speaker 1: got hurt his first year, he came up to me.
Speaker 1: It was like every shot I see you take care
Speaker 1: of your body? Will you teach me how to take
Speaker 1: care of you? Take care of my body? And for
Speaker 1: a kid to have that much talent and then to
Speaker 1: understand and look, man, I gotta I gotta get my
Speaker 1: stuff right. And um, you know, he gets with me
Speaker 1: with a lot of stuff. He used the same m
Speaker 1: at specialists, am assize therapist, excuse my chelf. He everything
Speaker 1: I do, he just takes it and uses it. And um,
Speaker 1: you know, I just watched a kid go out there
Speaker 1: on a judgment before practice, after practice, do all this stuff.
Speaker 1: He practices catching the ball in awkward position so you
Speaker 1: can do it when it's win his game time. So
Speaker 1: I commend him for that. There's a special player, man.
Speaker 1: So last night I was at an event that he
Speaker 1: threw at Maxfield. It was him, Mike and Mary's a
Speaker 1: fashion designer, and they did this joint release for I
Speaker 1: think it's a line they might be doing. But his
Speaker 1: creative passion kind of shines through too. And usually if
Speaker 1: you're the kind of person that's got like passion in life,
Speaker 1: it's going to translate the different realms. And you can
Speaker 1: tell that he's just as passionate about his fashion stuff
Speaker 1: as he is about football stuff. I knew Jervis Landry
Speaker 1: into a story on him coming in the League two
Speaker 1: and he talked about how they pushed each other kind
Speaker 1: of how he said, it's in Jacksonville and the two
Speaker 1: of them, the competition they've always had along the way,
Speaker 1: even though they were very dear friends. I think it
Speaker 1: elevated them to kind of like that next tier. Jervis
Speaker 1: is another receiver who's not maybe not you know, top
Speaker 1: five guy, but he grinds man. He's running the ball
Speaker 1: like a running back. Yeah, it's good. It's good that
Speaker 1: they got folks looking out, you know, old heads now right,
Speaker 1: you're thirty three. I'm an old head now. But yeah,
Speaker 1: guys that look back and trying to help the young
Speaker 1: cats understand how to skip steps because we didn't get
Speaker 1: to do that. But but but that's the reflection of
Speaker 1: a traditionally an organization that uh put good veterans in
Speaker 1: their locker room. Has there been a difference in culture
Speaker 1: now that you got Ben McAdoo as the head coach?
Speaker 1: Uh not. I wouldn't say too much. Um, you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: you know when when we talk about coach Couflin, that's
Speaker 1: a Hall of famer, and um, you know that somebody
Speaker 1: can't replace m But we definitely got the right person
Speaker 1: in position. The way he's articulate, the way he can
Speaker 1: command a room. Um, he's in the house. We have
Speaker 1: a good team and um, we just need to pick
Speaker 1: up after you know, we did a lot of things well,
Speaker 1: but they were overshadowed by what we didn't do right
Speaker 1: so well and losing six games in the last ten
Speaker 1: seconds anybody. So. Um far as the culture, I mean,
Speaker 1: we just filled in some spots and defense we thought
Speaker 1: we needed to address. Got a new new wave of
Speaker 1: rookies ready to rock, and everybody just excited, really excited
Speaker 1: to get the taste out of mind from last year.
Speaker 1: Get a role on how we know we could play.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna say. With those new defensive guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gotta be a different energy out there right now.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah. We are better defensively. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep it really defense great last year
Speaker 1: many Yeah, it is what it is. But you talk
Speaker 1: about mentoring Odell and Alan, I want to swing it
Speaker 1: to you. Who is who down there in jacksonvill Has
Speaker 1: there been that guy um that kind of mentored you.
Speaker 1: I know you will receive a coach and coach suing man.
Speaker 1: He was with me and San Francisco, and that's the
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna drive you. He's gonna challenge you every day. Um,
Speaker 1: has there been anybody like that for you? I would
Speaker 1: say player wise, you know, Mercedes and Julius Thomas, you know,
Speaker 1: just especially from Julius, you know, coming off of a
Speaker 1: team that went to the Super Bowl, you know, coming
Speaker 1: off with two Pro Bowls, you know, playing at the
Speaker 1: highest levels, you know, in the same Mercedes, you know, um,
Speaker 1: playing at the high level you know for for a
Speaker 1: ten plus years, you know. So player wise, Um, those
Speaker 1: guys are kind of some of the guys who lead
Speaker 1: our offense, you know, as far as as far as
Speaker 1: vocal leaders, you know, we have a lot of young guys,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think what's especially about that is,
Speaker 1: you know we don't have anybody where everybody kind of
Speaker 1: lead they ego at the door, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: and it's all about for us, you know, just going
Speaker 1: out there and doing whatever it's best for the team.
Speaker 1: You know. So if so if somebody needs to speak
Speaker 1: up or something like that, is it's never any any
Speaker 1: confrontation as far as you know, UM, one person you know,
Speaker 1: not seeing eye the eye, you know, we know that's
Speaker 1: the offense, you know, first and foremost, we have to
Speaker 1: all see the offense, you know, through through Blake set
Speaker 1: the eyes. That's something that everybody knows and that we're
Speaker 1: okay with. So I think for us, you know, we
Speaker 1: got a lot of understanding with our young offense as
Speaker 1: far as everybody coming together, coming together and bought in
Speaker 1: really with the system. You like Chris Ivery now and
Speaker 1: the man or whatever. You bring a a player like
Speaker 1: that into the offense, you know, another weapon, you know,
Speaker 1: who's who's real on four plus yards to carry you
Speaker 1: in the past? What m since two thousand ten or
Speaker 1: something that you know. Whenever you add that element, you know,
Speaker 1: it really helps us out. Yeah, he's he might not
Speaker 1: be in my top five running backs, but he probably
Speaker 1: like it my top fifteen. And I managed to hear
Speaker 1: your top five running back seeing it being a running back.
Speaker 1: That's tough. That's top five, top five, top five dog,
Speaker 1: and it's it's even tough when you probably didn't know
Speaker 1: you had to answer that question, Manol. Guys out there
Speaker 1: in no particular order, but Adrian Peterson definitely up there. Um,
Speaker 1: I like to girly, Yeah, he's on my top special man. Um,
Speaker 1: who else you gotta put in there? In the top five.
Speaker 1: You like, you know, you know who I like? It
Speaker 1: is old guy in Atlanta, Oh Freeman. Yeah, Man, you
Speaker 1: know he's a screen I love the way he runs screens.
Speaker 1: Bro Like he's smaller guy, fantastic. Ye last year they're
Speaker 1: talking about slitting carriage between he and Tevin Coleman. You
Speaker 1: think about that. Coleman flashed a lot last year to
Speaker 1: the lightest, put the ball on the ground a lot.
Speaker 1: But they got two backs. They got two backs that
Speaker 1: are that are special down there. Should change the dynamic
Speaker 1: of the offense. Who else you got shot? Uh, let's
Speaker 1: see who else we got. It's hard, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: because then, I mean we didn't see him last year.
Speaker 1: But you got to think about Jamar Charles, I mean
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Yeah, exactly, shady Sadie. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean that is McCoy had his you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you got guys that get hurt. I like
Speaker 1: Aaron Foster, Yeah he got you know, it's so it's
Speaker 1: hard to say, like justify what I'm saying. These you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about this all the time. They always try
Speaker 1: and get us to do. You know, who's the best
Speaker 1: player at the ZIGN never. It's almost never that I
Speaker 1: say he is the best, because so many different guys
Speaker 1: do things well and they're the best at this thing,
Speaker 1: whether you're possession, receivers, be received, whatever it might be
Speaker 1: on the receiver round in the running background, we got dudes,
Speaker 1: it can cut back real well. We got dudes, it
Speaker 1: can run with power real well. So I just like
Speaker 1: appreciating the top players. But the top three you mentioned
Speaker 1: definitely in the mix. We had to do two more
Speaker 1: shady at Pete gotta be in that top shady. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got shady like here. I mean because to me,
Speaker 1: you look at a guy like Matt four take just
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I still think he got
Speaker 1: juice left. Yeah, he go. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I think he just maybe not the shotgun runner they
Speaker 1: wanted him to be last year in Chicago. But I
Speaker 1: think he can still go. And this is early, but
Speaker 1: a player that everyone is real hype about, David Johnson
Speaker 1: down there in Arizona. He had to David specially big
Speaker 1: fast play. All you mentioned with Odell when you saw him, like, hey,
Speaker 1: who's that guy? So a personal point of view, is
Speaker 1: there any money back that you saw in practice when
Speaker 1: the game and you were like, let's do it special,
Speaker 1: let's do it different. Um. As far any running backs
Speaker 1: that just had something about them that like, Man, I
Speaker 1: ain't I haven't seen that a while. I don't know. Man, listen,
Speaker 1: O'Dell's is just such on another level from what you
Speaker 1: see from this dude. It's um and anybody anybody to
Speaker 1: play with him and tell you like, he's one of
Speaker 1: the most athletic people I just watched, you know, just
Speaker 1: move around. Yeah, um on the field. But um, you
Speaker 1: know what, we got our our guy, you know, Paul Is,
Speaker 1: he's gotta like he's got a little swag about him.
Speaker 1: That's different my forefront draft pick. Paul's Parkins, He's I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a good player for us. That
Speaker 1: um so today one of the things we talk we
Speaker 1: like talking about on the show, like, uh, the increase
Speaker 1: of media in sports and life, etcetera, and how it
Speaker 1: impacts all of us. How do you guys feel like
Speaker 1: it's an oversaturation? You have so much media around you
Speaker 1: at all times, you gotta be in your p's and ques.
Speaker 1: We now have Snapchat, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, everything. These are
Speaker 1: all platforms that you can use to empower yourselves and
Speaker 1: grow your platform. But also we've seen guys in the
Speaker 1: past frag themselves not using them properly, and there's people
Speaker 1: ducking around corners with camera phones all the time. How
Speaker 1: do you navigate that world? At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we're all humans, we all have moments that we'd rather
Speaker 1: not be photographed in. And yet you guys kind of
Speaker 1: gotta deal with this New York City, big market tax
Speaker 1: of a little bit differently. But you know, people know
Speaker 1: who you are down there. So what's it like dealing
Speaker 1: with that world these days? I would say, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's very overwhelming at times, you know, I think, um,
Speaker 1: for the most part, you know, it kind of benefits
Speaker 1: a lot of athletes, you know, as far as like
Speaker 1: you said, as far as like the brand and things
Speaker 1: like that, you know, and even by being in a
Speaker 1: small market, you know, through things like fantasy football, you know,
Speaker 1: with it being such a big thing, you know, um
Speaker 1: on people like seeing on Twitter fantasy leagues and and
Speaker 1: things like that. You know, So I think it's very beneficial.
Speaker 1: It's just it's making get overwhelming, you know, But that
Speaker 1: comes with it. Yeah, you do a good job of
Speaker 1: interacting with people on Twitter as well. Tell you I've
Speaker 1: been saying you do interviews and stuff over Twitter, just
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, answering questions. Yeah, what about
Speaker 1: your perspective shot? Um yeah, I definitely can even bigger
Speaker 1: back off because I spent four years in Jacksonville, so
Speaker 1: my first four years and you know, the media exposure
Speaker 1: really wasn't it's it. I've been there, I get it,
Speaker 1: and but with exposure, that's it. It's exposure. So it's
Speaker 1: what you make of it. I truly believe, you know,
Speaker 1: especially when it's coming from your voice. Now, when you
Speaker 1: talk about other people's opinions and interviews and other people's
Speaker 1: cameras and stuff like that, that's for the other side
Speaker 1: of it that you can't control. And that's the other
Speaker 1: side of you talking about being on your p's and
Speaker 1: que you know, we can talk, we can talk for
Speaker 1: days about that. But for me, I appreciate it. Um.
Speaker 1: I think you get it to voice opinions, you get
Speaker 1: to show character, you get to show who you are
Speaker 1: on outside of XS and ohs. And for me, especially
Speaker 1: in New York, I'm in a Mecca. Man. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm a kid and a canny like I've
Speaker 1: been able to open up doors that a degree would
Speaker 1: have never allowed me to drink. You know, I got
Speaker 1: a cartoon with Nickelodeon coming out and the show, Um,
Speaker 1: y'all watch the TV show Power. Yeah, of course about
Speaker 1: to be in that. Oh that That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Get us any spoilers I want, I don't want. Hey man,
Speaker 1: go to Tommy supposed to get the fighting this eason
Speaker 1: like that. I know, you can't say nothing. It's fun
Speaker 1: Like I'm a kid for for all when I talked
Speaker 1: about being an auto that Audero that like, I got
Speaker 1: a big box full of ideas and wishes and all
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff, and I come back to it every
Speaker 1: year based upon a networking where I'm at and I
Speaker 1: keep adding to it. And being in New York now
Speaker 1: I get to actually go present these two people. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, media is great to me, but it also
Speaker 1: scientifically means bacteria. I gotta keep that amount well. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean even on the flip side of that man,
Speaker 1: and even I find myself kind of with this dilemma.
Speaker 1: You hear, you see what's going on and just in
Speaker 1: our country, let's keep it. Really, you see what's going
Speaker 1: on in our country. Do you guys sometimes feel like
Speaker 1: I want to say something, but I can't tweet this
Speaker 1: because all the time, you know what I'm saying all
Speaker 1: the time, you know what I mean? And how do
Speaker 1: you how do you deal with that? How is it?
Speaker 1: Do you have somebody that you're lean on and say, look, man,
Speaker 1: should I tweet this? Because I mean I lean on
Speaker 1: my wife, you know what I mean, she tells me
Speaker 1: don't do it. I got months of feeble, but don't
Speaker 1: do it, you know what I mean? So how do
Speaker 1: you guys deal with that dynamic? I mean knowing that
Speaker 1: your people of influence, UM, and people want to hear
Speaker 1: what you gotta say, But yet you skate that fine
Speaker 1: line because I mean potentially a job and you've been
Speaker 1: kind of outspoken about a number of issues. So for you,
Speaker 1: you know, you're probably a litle a different answer alan
Speaker 1: the place that you're in your career, especially by I
Speaker 1: mean being a real young player. Is it's funny that
Speaker 1: you say that because I mean the person that I
Speaker 1: just talked to UM very soon a situation about that. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was my dad. So that's kind of a person
Speaker 1: you know who always you know, kind of kind of
Speaker 1: got me in the right in the right direction with
Speaker 1: a lot of things. That's dope. But what do you
Speaker 1: about you? Yeah, man, that's yes, answer your question. Yes
Speaker 1: you do. Gotta you do, gotta kind of watch what
Speaker 1: you say. Unfortunately, but I always take the approach of
Speaker 1: you know, I know I'm in an awesome responsibility, but
Speaker 1: in position I'm in a special position. Ain't nothing special
Speaker 1: about me. It's just a position. Anything I say it's magnified.
Speaker 1: So after occasionally I might want to go off and
Speaker 1: say some crazy stuff. I got family, I got friends,
Speaker 1: I'll go off at them. We laugh, but then like
Speaker 1: I'm okay, how can I sincerely address this and influence
Speaker 1: people to to kind of come to either common ground
Speaker 1: or or or influence them to see what I want
Speaker 1: them to see? Right? So two things, that's special that
Speaker 1: you think that way, so clearly something special about you.
Speaker 1: In two you don't stay around in the league as
Speaker 1: long as you have without having something special. So I
Speaker 1: like the humility. But we definitely got something going there.
Speaker 1: It's good to have players and to talk. We talked
Speaker 1: about these things all the time, and we always talk
Speaker 1: amongst ourselves. Mike obviously played the game at a very
Speaker 1: high level for a long time, so did Nate and
Speaker 1: a lot of things that we get into her in
Speaker 1: the social realm, and so this kind of directly ties
Speaker 1: in for me. Um. You know, we talked about this
Speaker 1: all the time. I when I worked in politics, I
Speaker 1: worked with lady named Jackie Parker. She was a godmother
Speaker 1: of the United States Black Lettuce Stative staff Caucus. I
Speaker 1: think I got there right. The shop been up there
Speaker 1: since the sixties. And she worked for Senator Karl Levin
Speaker 1: from Michigan. So she was like, uh, she met me
Speaker 1: and I was working for Republican and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't like working for the Republicans. I
Speaker 1: got placed in this office. Can I work for the Democrats?
Speaker 1: At the time, I thought it was a Diard said okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work with you. You know, tell me your story.
Speaker 1: Told her and she said, wait a second, you pass
Speaker 1: You can walk into rooms and hear things that we
Speaker 1: don't hear. And it's true. I ended up walking in
Speaker 1: the rooms and hearing things that you guys would never
Speaker 1: hear because they can't tell where my you know, um
Speaker 1: allegiances lie. Right. So it's that piece of the puzzle
Speaker 1: is really important to me because there's that which we
Speaker 1: know about and we see and we can put our
Speaker 1: hands around, and then there's that which people don't know,
Speaker 1: this kind of like behind the scenes and more nefarious.
Speaker 1: And the fact that you guys are out here using
Speaker 1: your platforms in any way to shine some light on
Speaker 1: the problems we have in society and the fact that
Speaker 1: we need to do better. I think there's always a
Speaker 1: place for that. We just got to figure out individually
Speaker 1: how far we can go and spreading that message. That's dope,
Speaker 1: well said t D. I know you gotta beat from me, man,
Speaker 1: Nobody want to rap. Nobody still even though you got
Speaker 1: two big, big, big chains. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: might have spent a few bars in college. You know what.
Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett is another spoken word guy man ty to Locket,
Speaker 1: Seattle seaw wide receiver man. He he goes in I
Speaker 1: mean literally, he was doing his footwork drills. I'm interviewing
Speaker 1: him and he just goes into something. I mean all
Speaker 1: spoken word man that left Bell on the show. He's
Speaker 1: actually has a mixtape out. Yeah, didn't he rap about
Speaker 1: he might be the first back getting might be wanting
Speaker 1: back to get it I said that you were talking
Speaker 1: about it, right, Yeah, man, he might be the back
Speaker 1: to get it. Man, he does enough in this league.
Speaker 1: I mean catching the ball, blocking, running the football. Man
Speaker 1: over two thousand yards every year, just saying he could
Speaker 1: do it. TV you got for us today? Man, yes, sir?
Speaker 1: You know or no, I actually got what's going on
Speaker 1: social media or in publica what you're in if you're
Speaker 1: down to agree with it or not. So this question
Speaker 1: I have today is coming up Kevin Durant signing with
Speaker 1: the Warriors. Foo you guys, I guess already know Mike's answers.
Speaker 1: Do you guys have any problem with athletes teaming up
Speaker 1: with other great athletes or not? Come on, what y'all
Speaker 1: think about that? So? So, if I think it's tough
Speaker 1: to say, well, football is hard, I think sports. I
Speaker 1: think that basketball is just really like it's magnified because
Speaker 1: the amount of people on the court are so small.
Speaker 1: Like in football. If you say, for a receiver, know
Speaker 1: in free agency, he goes play with play with a
Speaker 1: real good quarterback or something that you know, it's not
Speaker 1: breaking news Allen Robinson to the Giants. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: if you went to the Giants breaking news would go
Speaker 1: to the Giants be on the other side of ode.
Speaker 1: I mean all the receivers you know, see ye come
Speaker 1: open up the wrong game. Would you do that for
Speaker 1: a little less money? Because I mean, would you do
Speaker 1: it me? Per se? No, that that feeling you just
Speaker 1: had when I said that, that's what you would have
Speaker 1: thought that Kevin Durant would have had. Like, Man, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to do that or what
Speaker 1: what is it about for me? I don't care that
Speaker 1: he left go somewhere if you if you think you're
Speaker 1: gonna you go to a better situation, so be it.
Speaker 1: But I just have an issue of the fact that
Speaker 1: he went to go to State. That's the only thing.
Speaker 1: You were up three one. You're a top five player.
Speaker 1: Top five players have something to do with whether you
Speaker 1: win or lose in in that late you know you
Speaker 1: have something. You were up three one, you lost three
Speaker 1: games straight, which means you had something to do with
Speaker 1: you losing three games straight. And then you go to
Speaker 1: the team that dogged you the three games straight. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about it. Man, Okay, So look, so look,
Speaker 1: if they don't to me, if they don't win eighty
Speaker 1: games in the championship is not eighty game eight. They
Speaker 1: want something. They were like a real true to life
Speaker 1: Hooper though. You can speak to these chemistry issues, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can help me solid because for them, I think
Speaker 1: that Golden Stay in general, they're an unselfish team and
Speaker 1: they know that every time they step on the court.
Speaker 1: Kevin Duran is the best player on the floor, right
Speaker 1: And do you think they know that? You think Steph
Speaker 1: Curry know that too? After two m vps back to back,
Speaker 1: especially this finals, I think Steph Curry, no, come on, man,
Speaker 1: I but the ain't no way man. My thing is
Speaker 1: this too. I said the same thing with like Miami.
Speaker 1: With Lebron won in Miami, I think it was it
Speaker 1: was just his connection with Dwayne. It wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like if Miami had been the number one seed that
Speaker 1: year coming out to the East or the number eight
Speaker 1: seed or regardless. I think he still goes to Miami
Speaker 1: and didn't think it was just Katie connect. Maybe being
Speaker 1: an m v P doesn't mean you're the best player
Speaker 1: on the court. That's true, you know. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: like he want to win a championship. I'm sure I
Speaker 1: mean that everybody three or four. Yeah, so y'all think
Speaker 1: that one basketball that is only allowed on the court
Speaker 1: can go around enough so that all those that means
Speaker 1: the US Olympic team basically what they assembled. Uh, you
Speaker 1: think they all can have a shot and do their
Speaker 1: thing and be the man? Three three. I just want
Speaker 1: to know this why the NBA players seem to hate
Speaker 1: the East so much, Like the West keeps getting stronger.
Speaker 1: The West is crazy and the East is the Calves.
Speaker 1: And I think they should do playoffs in the NBA,
Speaker 1: just top sixteen teams, right, Yeah. I mean my thing
Speaker 1: is like the Cavaliers didn't lose their first game to
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference finals. Yeah, like in the whole playoffs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but they I mean they got the best
Speaker 1: player in the world though he he willed them to
Speaker 1: that championship. I'm just saying the West the West. I'm
Speaker 1: a Blazers fan, so I got selfish interest here. I'm
Speaker 1: sticking to the the West being so strong. Wish Katie would
Speaker 1: have gone East. They could take STEPH two the East though,
Speaker 1: they need somebody like that man. Hopefully, um, the Nicks
Speaker 1: come around a little bit, hopefully. Yeah, that's an interesting
Speaker 1: squad up there. They can stay healthy. Obviously a lot
Speaker 1: of guys are dealt with injury issues where they can
Speaker 1: stay healthy. It's interesting. How do you guys feel about
Speaker 1: all the free agency NBA fe agency? Hey, actually, so
Speaker 1: I got a real I got a real question for
Speaker 1: you guys though, So this is important. I've been reporting
Speaker 1: on the Von Miller situation, the Eric Berry situation for
Speaker 1: a very long time. Eric Berry or von you can
Speaker 1: pick either one. How do you guys feel about the
Speaker 1: way the situations are playing out here? We are running
Speaker 1: into the tag go ahead? Okay, So so picking when
Speaker 1: you look at the situation, we're coming up to the
Speaker 1: that's the deadline for them to get a multi year deal,
Speaker 1: or they gotta play on the tag where they got
Speaker 1: to decide to sit out, or they can negotiate a
Speaker 1: one year deal. Right those are options. Well, right now,
Speaker 1: it does not appear from anything we've been able to
Speaker 1: see that the Eric Barry situation is moving for in
Speaker 1: any meaningful way unfortunately, And the Von situation is we're
Speaker 1: kind of a stalemate. We're much closer. So I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna get into specific specifics, but there was a big
Speaker 1: gap and there were long periods of time where these
Speaker 1: two sides were not having conversations at all. This is
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl MVP didn't. That's why I say, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I think Vaughan, I think von situation is
Speaker 1: a lot more. You know, clear not taking anything away
Speaker 1: from Eric Berry, but I mean this guy watching even
Speaker 1: watching Super Bowl game, watching the playoffs, he is just
Speaker 1: a huge, huge factor to that team. So so um
Speaker 1: if you don't if you have a player like vn
Speaker 1: On on your team, non quarterback, but I mean literally
Speaker 1: the man right and you see this going on upstairs,
Speaker 1: how does that affect you in the locker room? And
Speaker 1: he said that you're watching, You're watching this play out
Speaker 1: knowing that you may have a contract coming up at
Speaker 1: some point. All of that, I think, I think you
Speaker 1: got to be kind of frustrating. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: like you see your I mean, you see the person
Speaker 1: that you you know, playing aside with you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, play as the best defensive player in the league.
Speaker 1: Players to see all the hard work in position and
Speaker 1: see what he's brought to the table, you know, and
Speaker 1: how he not will but you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, he was just the main callous
Speaker 1: of that defense. Yeah he wanted to see right, see
Speaker 1: it be such such a such a tough you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Process, It's you know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: frustrating just to just to watch, especially especially from a
Speaker 1: from a from a teammate perspective, right, Like it's like
Speaker 1: and then you see the other side of it, like
Speaker 1: Alan Herns, you know the work he put in, you
Speaker 1: know what he brings the table every day, you know,
Speaker 1: for him to get you know, um blessed with the
Speaker 1: contract that that he got. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's just you know, I mean those things should happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're watching a younger a younger guy especially watching it
Speaker 1: all happen. I mean obviously older you get more perspective.
Speaker 1: Stand but a younger guy watching a vet the works hard,
Speaker 1: plays hard, m VP of that, you know, doing the
Speaker 1: right things, and it ain't happening. It's like subliminally it
Speaker 1: is sending a message that like all right, uh, you
Speaker 1: know that's how they're gonna do me, Like that's our guy, right,
Speaker 1: you know, give us a give us, show us something,
Speaker 1: give us pay the person you want to see more of,
Speaker 1: you know, right, give something worth mimicking. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: like it becomes frustrating in the locker room. So we
Speaker 1: got to break that down to the younger guys, like,
Speaker 1: look right, right, there's a play. So let me ask
Speaker 1: you this then. So the mechanism that Vaughan Eric Berry
Speaker 1: number of brothers are currently you know, being held hostage. Boy,
Speaker 1: let's keep it real is the franchise tag. So is
Speaker 1: that something that's next round of CBA negotiations that you
Speaker 1: guys are like, you know, if we could do away
Speaker 1: with the franchise tag, that would really help because if
Speaker 1: a player played like von situation, played out five years right,
Speaker 1: played his best football, arguably in his last year's contract,
Speaker 1: here you're supposed to get paid, and they said, you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna rant you for a year for fourteen whatever
Speaker 1: it is, four fourteen, whatever the number is. Wait a second,
Speaker 1: Olivia Vernon got X right, Flatcher Cox Gott why not.
Speaker 1: What's interesting about it is when they started these negotiations,
Speaker 1: the number was like, let's just use the sue number.
Speaker 1: That was the number that it had to be to
Speaker 1: get it done. So let's say sixty one. Well, now
Speaker 1: we got a seventy five million dollar guaranteed contract out there,
Speaker 1: and Andrew Luck and Fletcher Coskas says three and a half,
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, now goes up longer you wait.
Speaker 1: Think about it like that's a wise man once said
Speaker 1: to me, you don't get the benefit of yesterday's market today.
Speaker 1: It's not like it was yesterday. It's a dollar fifty
Speaker 1: today and you gotta pay that price. So it'll be
Speaker 1: very I want to say this franchise title and unique situation,
Speaker 1: it benefits some players like Kirk Cousin. I was about
Speaker 1: to say, Kirk Cousins probably loves it a one year number, well,
Speaker 1: because he's probably gonna get franchise franchise twice. Let's people
Speaker 1: be real. He's gonna have a what thirty two games
Speaker 1: to prove himself to see if he wants a big
Speaker 1: time contract. Because the market for the quarterback contracts are
Speaker 1: just continuing to escalate, right, and so he could possibly
Speaker 1: make a little over forty million and two years. So
Speaker 1: here's for quarterbacks, which is crazy money. But here's the
Speaker 1: interesting again. If okay, if you yeah, I know it's crazy.
Speaker 1: If you look, if you look at the Luck number
Speaker 1: and you say, okay, that's the top of the market
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks the whole league. Then the Cousins situation
Speaker 1: might be a better deal for him, but we don't
Speaker 1: know that yet. You can't really evaluate until you get
Speaker 1: a couple of years down the road and see how
Speaker 1: it plays out. Well, you don't you don't You represent
Speaker 1: yourself right? Yeah? I try to stay get away from
Speaker 1: agents as much as I can. Why is that? Why?
Speaker 1: Why why did you decide to go that way? Uh? Well,
Speaker 1: being a player rep you understand. Yeah, yeah, you're proving
Speaker 1: to a lot of knowledge. So you know you find
Speaker 1: out that all right, a rookie minimum every year we're
Speaker 1: paying as an NFL union YouTube as well as you
Speaker 1: know you did. Um, we're paying three point seven of
Speaker 1: rookie minimum to our union right to handle all our
Speaker 1: endeavors there there as our offices, we make the calls.
Speaker 1: That's our entity. Then I'm gonna turn around pay three
Speaker 1: two another person to pretty much handle some of the
Speaker 1: same endeavors that the three point seven five can. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to gain as much money as I possibly
Speaker 1: can while I'm here. I like to learn. I believe
Speaker 1: I know how to intellect and I know how to
Speaker 1: call a company if I feel like, hey, so I
Speaker 1: just feel comfortable knowing that I'm this this cyber shog
Speaker 1: in his inkside is working as hard as the guy
Speaker 1: on the field. And I can't I can't promise you
Speaker 1: that every agent is doing. A matter of fact, I
Speaker 1: know every agent it's not. I mean, have you actually
Speaker 1: had to talk to your general manager like on your
Speaker 1: on your behalf for yourself. Is that a weird conversation
Speaker 1: if you did? Nah, I mean, it's not as strange,
Speaker 1: and you can have a buffer, you know, you could
Speaker 1: put somebody there, so you're not right, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But at the end of the day, everybody
Speaker 1: knows what we're trying to do. If you, if you
Speaker 1: play play well, you want to go find a contract.
Speaker 1: That's that's fair, and general managers want good players to
Speaker 1: go play. That's really it at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: And you know it's all gonna happen, um, but it does.
Speaker 1: It's a part of I just feel that three percent. Boy,
Speaker 1: when it hits you, every single person in that locker
Speaker 1: room there, I was like, why am I paying my agent?
Speaker 1: What is he doing right now? What is he doing?
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's been the argument for a very
Speaker 1: long time now and then don't get me wrong, there's
Speaker 1: some good agents. Yes, there is a place for agents.
Speaker 1: Agents are needed, but not every single one. Some people
Speaker 1: are really playing the game. I was gonna say this point,
Speaker 1: it's like eight hundred plus agents that were registered at
Speaker 1: last check. That's a lot of agents. Seventeen hundred and
Speaker 1: semi players in the league. So you know, if you
Speaker 1: think about a guy, uh, there are agents out there
Speaker 1: who represent a hundred players, ninety players, fifty players. So
Speaker 1: if ten guys have half the league, that leaves you know,
Speaker 1: seven hundred and ninety fighting for everyone else that exist.
Speaker 1: So I understand your point. The flip side is Russell Oakum.
Speaker 1: The deal that he just did and I didn't look
Speaker 1: into details, but really tough deal. Here's just Eric Flowers.
Speaker 1: I'm training down there for a lot of death. He
Speaker 1: was training there own coming out. I'm playing with the John's.
Speaker 1: We had no idea we're gonna be on the same team,
Speaker 1: but he just pulled me soide I was talking to
Speaker 1: me about stuff and um being a player up and everything,
Speaker 1: and he kind of was toying about, Man, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I want an agent broke it down to him,
Speaker 1: encouraged him not to get Asian, and why because rookie
Speaker 1: contracts is slotted anything it can't you know why slotted
Speaker 1: because we're paying three point seven for union to make
Speaker 1: sure we're okay. So he did it on his own
Speaker 1: and he thanked me. He said, a shot man, look
Speaker 1: at this three percent to the contract he had. Look
Speaker 1: how much money I save. Now with this, you can
Speaker 1: go and best you can go. You know, you can go,
Speaker 1: hire people to continue to work on your bath, do
Speaker 1: what you need to do. It's interesting dope um On
Speaker 1: on the situation that you're coming into coming into the league.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like if you're kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, a twinter player, things like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, not knowing where you may
Speaker 1: go in the DRAYM. I think it's a lot of
Speaker 1: other factors into whether you like what I'm saying. You're
Speaker 1: a solid top ten player, that's definitely like top ten
Speaker 1: by you know what I'm saying. By all you know,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of different variables that you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying that going to a being you could be
Speaker 1: second round, third four. Well, there's other stuff too, Like
Speaker 1: I can tell you from my perspective. You know, I
Speaker 1: work with a lot of agents through the course of
Speaker 1: what I do in terms of like gathering information and
Speaker 1: figuring out what's going on behind the scenes, etcetera. There
Speaker 1: are some guys out there front office cast for twenty
Speaker 1: five years, like they came up, Like they met when
Speaker 1: dude was an area scout and he was a young agent,
Speaker 1: and then when I had bears in mobile and they
Speaker 1: kicked it in Indianapolis every year for twenty five years.
Speaker 1: You know, you get to the top. It's his player.
Speaker 1: He can pick up the phone, Yo, John Dorsey, Let's
Speaker 1: get this done. You know, we've been known each other
Speaker 1: for a long time. Let's figure out a way to
Speaker 1: get this done. Whereas when you look at you know,
Speaker 1: this situation with von Miller right now, he's got a
Speaker 1: very capable age and he's got a J D. M
Speaker 1: b A running the show for him. So I got
Speaker 1: it's very intelligent, has a lot of ability, and it's
Speaker 1: a very contentious negotiation and Van now understandably, so it's
Speaker 1: taking a lot of it very personally. It has taken
Speaker 1: a lot of it very personally. You know over this
Speaker 1: time because it's personal. He goes out there and he
Speaker 1: lays his body on the line every single day and
Speaker 1: betterment of a team goal, and when it comes time
Speaker 1: for the team to pay him, he feels like he's
Speaker 1: being disrespected. I get it. I've been through that. So
Speaker 1: for me personally, I've always wanted somebody between me and
Speaker 1: whatever organization I have to negotiate with, because the organization's
Speaker 1: job to always tell you you're actually not as valuable
Speaker 1: as you think you are, and it's my job to
Speaker 1: prove to them that I'm more valuable than I think
Speaker 1: I am. And if you don't have somebody in the middle,
Speaker 1: off you're an emotional person and I am, it's gonna
Speaker 1: go bad. Quit because I'm not gonna listen to somebody
Speaker 1: tell me I'm not great. Guy. I want to be great.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna push to be great. IM gonna work hard
Speaker 1: to be great, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: if I can prove on paper I'm great. For you, guys,
Speaker 1: I had X number of yards from scremers, I did
Speaker 1: X y Z. This person is making fifteen million a
Speaker 1: year for less. That's to me. I want my fifteen million,
Speaker 1: Like now I'll give you thirteen will rant you for
Speaker 1: a year. It's problematic. So the franchise tag is something
Speaker 1: that's got to be addressed at some point by the
Speaker 1: players because if it continues to be the system where
Speaker 1: it's gonna continue talking about these situations like Vomlar, Eric Berry, others,
Speaker 1: where these guys deserve to get paid. I'll take the
Speaker 1: other side. Who deserves to get paid more than Eric Berry?
Speaker 1: You know, Vomillar definitely deserves get paid. Overcame Hodgkins and Fauma.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. He came back. He played
Speaker 1: better ball than he did in the first Like you know,
Speaker 1: if you know, if we give up, if they the
Speaker 1: owners are gonna look at it, We're giving up the franchise.
Speaker 1: You gotta get Yeah, and that's that's gonna that's gonna
Speaker 1: be the game. It's complicated. Here's the reality. This is true.
Speaker 1: This is the only way the players will ever get
Speaker 1: any massive concessions from the owner is if services would help.
Speaker 1: That's it, period. And that's the only time you see
Speaker 1: anything changed during lockouts. You heard it from there. It
Speaker 1: is Look, I mean, it's true. Call the spade to
Speaker 1: spade before we let you all go. We need to
Speaker 1: tell you fans the funnest thing you guys have done
Speaker 1: this off season, they rob you up. For me, it
Speaker 1: was it was it was Hawaii for sure. Hawaii. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man's just gonna do with my family and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and being able to you know, to play in that game,
Speaker 1: just experience, you know, um, the island itself, you know
Speaker 1: special Allen replaces Calvin Johnson obviously being a Michigan guy.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that was big for you, right, I mean
Speaker 1: just getting there was was big. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean if I had to replace anybody else you know,
Speaker 1: or or the circumstances of that, you know, it was
Speaker 1: just it was getting there was the most thing for me.
Speaker 1: And so on this resume now to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: About you shot funnest thing this offseason. Three big things happened. Um. One,
Speaker 1: I got a chance to speak at the White House.
Speaker 1: That was humble, and and I got that's to I
Speaker 1: was asked by my college, um to come be the
Speaker 1: keynote commencement speaker. That's awesome. Respect. And I bought my
Speaker 1: parents at home congratulation. That's what's upthing ain't now you're
Speaker 1: on the R and B podcast. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. Well, that's it for this
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