Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always
Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. That's our super producer, the
Speaker 1: Man the myth Legend, Mr Max Williams. I'm ben noel. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say, and we've joked about
Speaker 1: it before in meetings and stuff that we are. We
Speaker 1: you and me are two guys who are kind of
Speaker 1: like paid to make noise. Yeah, you can call we do.
Speaker 1: It's like organized noise. We just sort of expel sounds
Speaker 1: from our mouths in a certain order as to communicate
Speaker 1: ideas a k a. Talking yes, right, then it is
Speaker 1: noise too, or one person's noise is another person's information
Speaker 1: or music perhaps, you know, I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: familiar with the genre of harsh noise is a genre involving, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, using mixers and weird noisemakers to just generate
Speaker 1: you know, absolute chaos. And some people really like it,
Speaker 1: you know, like eight people that you know listen to
Speaker 1: the tapes of this Italian label puts out. I'm kidding
Speaker 1: them over generalizing harsh noise enthusiast seth there don't pillary me.
Speaker 1: There's some powerful it's just not for me. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is They really are the Harsh Noise Lobby. It's taking
Speaker 1: Washington by storm. It's like the n r A and
Speaker 1: the Harsh Noise Lobby run in Washington. Well, one thing's funny.
Speaker 1: As we were preparing for this episode, this stood out
Speaker 1: to me. The three of us do you could say,
Speaker 1: make noise for a living, make mostly word noise for
Speaker 1: a living, But we're also very particular about the noise
Speaker 1: is that we like on the show. Uh, my great
Speaker 1: nemesis as a leafblower, didn't see that froming. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if this ever happened to you, But have
Speaker 1: you ever moved into a place that like it's a
Speaker 1: new neighborhood and all of a sudden you hop on
Speaker 1: one of those just vicious neighborhood chat forums and there's
Speaker 1: someone complaining about noise. Has ever happened to you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't. I stay trying to stay away from those
Speaker 1: because they're usually a bummer. But I will say, um,
Speaker 1: my neighbor takes an ungodly amount of time to mow
Speaker 1: his lawn. I just don't understand. It feels like it
Speaker 1: takes like half of the day and it's just you know,
Speaker 1: and he's right there and it's quite a loud lawn mower,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it does bug me. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: specifically droning, repetitive noises or something that can genuinely cause
Speaker 1: like mental duress. Um. You live a little closer to
Speaker 1: like an urban center than me, you're often having to
Speaker 1: pause for ambulances and sirens and things like that. Are
Speaker 1: are super producer Paul mission Control Deck here for stuff
Speaker 1: that I want you to know, lives in New York
Speaker 1: City and oft times before we even get started, we're
Speaker 1: hearing like crazy, crazy sounds coming from his end of
Speaker 1: the of the of the zoom. I'm a little bit
Speaker 1: more protective, but this neighbor with his lawnmower, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: These are all things that the subject to Day's podcast,
Speaker 1: Julia Barnett Rice, would have had a real problem with.
Speaker 1: But she lived before the advent of things like gas
Speaker 1: powered lawnmowers and leaf blowers. She was really more concerned with, like,
Speaker 1: what was it been tug tug boats a little too
Speaker 1: toots that tug boats make, and you know, street buskers
Speaker 1: and all kinds of the riff raff you know in
Speaker 1: in New York City. Um that disturbed her solitude was
Speaker 1: she felt that she so greatly deserved. The subject of
Speaker 1: today's episode is the idea of Julia Barnett Rice launching
Speaker 1: an elitist war on noise? What does that entail? Ben,
Speaker 1: How does one launch a war on noise like door
Speaker 1: on drugs? You can't win? Well, it depends, It depends
Speaker 1: on how you want to wage this war. And her campaign,
Speaker 1: her campaign took a little bit of an elitist approach.
Speaker 1: It's true, Mrs Rice, or doctor Rice, I should say,
Speaker 1: because she was a physician when she founded something called
Speaker 1: the Society for Suppression of Unnecessary Noise in nineteen o six.
Speaker 1: She called noise the quote chief torment of illness, And
Speaker 1: as we'll see in today's episode, she gathered a cavalcade
Speaker 1: of very well known influential figures, including like Mark Twain
Speaker 1: and Thomas Edison, along with hundreds of others, to wage
Speaker 1: what they wanted to become an international campaign for quote
Speaker 1: dinless cities. So uh, I love the word din so
Speaker 1: cities that, somehow, despite the precedent set by all other
Speaker 1: human cities throughout all moments of civilization, these cities would
Speaker 1: somehow be quiet. And if you look at it, it's
Speaker 1: part of an old, old belief, like people are not
Speaker 1: the most tolerant organisms, right, We stink at group work.
Speaker 1: We have our own priorities that we often put over
Speaker 1: the greater good. And as long as you've seen people
Speaker 1: living in close quarters, you've also seeing people who are
Speaker 1: tremendously upset about the noise that their neighbors make. So
Speaker 1: the problems you and I and and probably Max too
Speaker 1: have had just in the course of the show over
Speaker 1: the Pandemic are actually age age old problems. And it's
Speaker 1: amazing how much writing there is about this, like throughout
Speaker 1: the historical record. Yeah, and the sixteen sixties. Uh. A
Speaker 1: French philosopher named Ablaze pascal Um had this to say. Ah.
Speaker 1: He said, quote, the sole cause of man's unhappiness is
Speaker 1: that he does not know how to stay quietly in
Speaker 1: his rooms. So that's interesting. I would argue that is
Speaker 1: not a comment on noise per se, and more just
Speaker 1: about occupying one's own time, uh properly and in being
Speaker 1: able to enjoy one's own company. I don't really think
Speaker 1: he was necessarily nagging noise exactly in that statement. But
Speaker 1: it is an interesting one. There's more, of course though, right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, so Pascal great thinker, was he seriously
Speaker 1: proposing that everybody go in time out to solve the
Speaker 1: world's problems. Go to your room, everyone, But yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: because so back in the days, you know, when the
Speaker 1: majority of people did not live in cities and much
Speaker 1: of the world was built on agrarian communities. We know
Speaker 1: that noise was often a problem that was just attributed
Speaker 1: to people living in big metropolitan areas like London or Paris.
Speaker 1: But then when the Industrial Revolution came, more and more
Speaker 1: people moved to cities. They wanted to work in these
Speaker 1: new exciting industries. Train whistles were filling the air. There
Speaker 1: were factory furnaces roaring. You would go down the street
Speaker 1: and hear people yelling at each other in a panopoly
Speaker 1: of languages, talking over each other. It was like the
Speaker 1: worst party ever, because it's a party you had to
Speaker 1: live at. Uh. There's another German philosopher named Author Schopenhauer
Speaker 1: who called this quote torture for intellectual people. And he said, look,
Speaker 1: if you're a thoughtful person, you need a quiet space
Speaker 1: so that you can do quality work. Schopenhauer was a
Speaker 1: lot of things, including an intellectual elitist of the highest order.
Speaker 1: From his point of view, only stupid people like noise,
Speaker 1: not supernuanced. Yeah he was. I was not a not
Speaker 1: a fan of harsh noise, um of the harsh noises genre. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, my whole thing is like, okay, but
Speaker 1: like you're not entitled to live in a city, right, like,
Speaker 1: go live in the in the countryside if it's such
Speaker 1: a problem, especially if you're wealthy like Julia Barnett Rice.
Speaker 1: But we'll get to that. I just feel like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of entitlement going on here because the nature
Speaker 1: of the city is people swarm there, there's hustle and bustle,
Speaker 1: there's industrialization. It's like, what are you gonna, like just
Speaker 1: completely stem the flow of of progress just so you can,
Speaker 1: like you know, write your journals or whatever, like your poetry.
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't seem quite right any who. So you're right, uh,
Speaker 1: Chopenhauer was kind of a jerk, definitely elitist, intellectual elitist
Speaker 1: of the highest order. Like you said, um, we've got
Speaker 1: some contemplations from say like Charles Dickens. For example, he
Speaker 1: described feeling quote harassed, worried, wearied, driven nearly mad by
Speaker 1: street musicians in London and the Times of London on
Speaker 1: eight fifty six, and a similar critique of the of
Speaker 1: the these uh, these buskers, saying that they created a noisy, dizzy,
Speaker 1: scatter brained atmosphere. And this is a lot of all
Speaker 1: of this stuff that we're pulling from early on. Here
Speaker 1: is from a really great article in the Smithsonian call
Speaker 1: why are we always searching for a quiet place? Perhaps
Speaker 1: the real monster is not noise, they say, but instead
Speaker 1: our own intolerance of unwanted sound um by Matthew Jordan's
Speaker 1: of the conversation. Yeah, and we know this was at
Speaker 1: the very least a transatlantic problem. By the time Dr
Speaker 1: Rice comes on the scene in nineteen o five, the
Speaker 1: New York Times was writing about this. There's a there's
Speaker 1: a wonderful little article you can see from this time
Speaker 1: where they talk about the problem of noise in New York,
Speaker 1: which they summarize as a quote bonfire of sound, and
Speaker 1: they say the culprits are trolley cars, boiler making, elevated roads,
Speaker 1: subway trains, hoby sirens and various steam whistles, riveting machines,
Speaker 1: trucks laden with slabs of iron and rails of steel,
Speaker 1: milk wagons banging over the pavements in the small morning hours,
Speaker 1: deep breath, hand organs, photographs with Bega photo attachment, fish horns,
Speaker 1: knife grinding serenades, yet in junkmen, hunsters, and pet lives
Speaker 1: with cowbell distractions, cracked bells ringing day at night, in
Speaker 1: churches and chapels. I had to do a Natalie and
Speaker 1: brute lea pause to get a deep Oh dude, those
Speaker 1: those hand organs and photographs with megaphone attachment, those are
Speaker 1: really the bane of urban existence, you know. And it's
Speaker 1: not to say that living in a city and like
Speaker 1: communing and just like the drone of the subway in
Speaker 1: New York for examples, all of these sounds don't get
Speaker 1: to you. I choose not to live in a city
Speaker 1: like New York. I choose to live in a place
Speaker 1: where I can kind of control my environment. I love
Speaker 1: going to New York. I love traveling to places that
Speaker 1: are exciting and bustling like this. But after about a
Speaker 1: week or so, it gets to me too, and I
Speaker 1: need to high tail it back home to my you know,
Speaker 1: little humble a quiet ode. But all of these sounds
Speaker 1: you know that people are regularly exposed to in these
Speaker 1: large cities, they can actually cause hearing damage over time.
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. Any noise that's above eighty
Speaker 1: five decibels from things like that I just described all
Speaker 1: of that stuff, industrial manufacturing, airports, traffic, subway hand organs,
Speaker 1: photographs with megaphone attachments, sirens, yesic milk wagons, you know,
Speaker 1: all those milk wagons, cluck andy clacking across those cobblestone streets. Um,
Speaker 1: these absolutely can cause hearing loss over time if you
Speaker 1: don't take care of it. Uh. And you notice that
Speaker 1: walking around New York most people have their little noise
Speaker 1: canceling earbuds, and for good reason, because that stuff is
Speaker 1: really monotonous and can absolutely not only cause hearing loss,
Speaker 1: because you know, you can kind of lose your marbles
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Studies show that the average
Speaker 1: life of an urban resident will contain a background noise
Speaker 1: level of about sixty deciples, which is just below what
Speaker 1: what we described as being uh as leading to hearing loss.
Speaker 1: But sixty deccibles on its own, according to the Atlantic,
Speaker 1: is loud enough to raise your blood pressure, your heart rate.
Speaker 1: It can cause stress. You'll have a hard time concentrating,
Speaker 1: you can even lose sleep. Want to shout out Kate
Speaker 1: Wagner's Atlantic article, great title, city noise might be making
Speaker 1: you sick. It's a true story. And sirens especially. The
Speaker 1: reason I want to highlight those is because they can
Speaker 1: hit a hundred and twenty decibels, and that is the
Speaker 1: human pain threshold according to the World Health Organization. So say,
Speaker 1: we're gonna introduce you to Rice right now and say
Speaker 1: what you will about her. We've already made some of
Speaker 1: our opinions known. It's important to realize that she is
Speaker 1: not making this problem up. In fact, she is one
Speaker 1: of the earliest urban anti noise campaigners. She grew up wealthy,
Speaker 1: she was well educated. Her partner, her husband, was a
Speaker 1: known businessman and publisher. I love saying known businessman. That
Speaker 1: makes it so it's something terrible. He's a known businessman
Speaker 1: and philanderer and philanderer as well, although it's entirely so Rice.
Speaker 1: Rice lived in Manhattan. She was in a mansion, great
Speaker 1: view of the Hudson River. And she got mad, Like
Speaker 1: you said at the top nal, she became livid by
Speaker 1: the regular passage of tug boats. They would blow their
Speaker 1: horns in her mind, incessantly up and down the Hudson.
Speaker 1: She would hear a tug amit not two or three hundred,
Speaker 1: but two or three thousand twot's and these were, in
Speaker 1: her mind unnecessary. Now, if you're familiar with how uh
Speaker 1: tug boats navigated at this time, due to weather conditions,
Speaker 1: you would need to use the horn so that people
Speaker 1: would be aware of your presence. Right, So it's a
Speaker 1: safety thing. But she said, these guys are just saying
Speaker 1: each other and just can't stay in Hello. Yeah. Again,
Speaker 1: she's already starting off on like a foundation of kind
Speaker 1: of elitist ignorance, blissful ignorance. I would argue, because, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a system, you know, like it's it's a
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's probably specific to you know,
Speaker 1: freight in in that kind of scenario when close quarters
Speaker 1: like that. But we know that nautical systems of communication
Speaker 1: have existed for hundreds of years, you know, in terms
Speaker 1: of being able to communicate with other vessels uh near
Speaker 1: or far um. So yeah, this is probably a way
Speaker 1: to keep things from becoming dangerous in these closer quarters
Speaker 1: when they're passing through the Hudson Um, which is not
Speaker 1: a like super narrow body of water, but it's not
Speaker 1: like the open sea, and there's a lot of tugboat
Speaker 1: traffic in there, you know. Nowadays it would be more
Speaker 1: like barges, you know, freight carrying, big old barges. And
Speaker 1: it's true, it's noisy. I mean, I was just in
Speaker 1: my hometown of Augusta visiting my mom and the there's
Speaker 1: like a railroad crossing right in the middle of town,
Speaker 1: right by a hospital um and I was walking from
Speaker 1: my car and the thing's blasting through, just honking, laying
Speaker 1: on that horn, and I'm just like, maybe I'm not
Speaker 1: in the best moon in the first play that I
Speaker 1: say out loud to myself, really, really, you really need
Speaker 1: to do that for this long And I get it.
Speaker 1: They need to announce their presence so people don't accidentally
Speaker 1: get pancake by the train if they're like park you know,
Speaker 1: or they're not like paying attention to the railroad crossing.
Speaker 1: But it does come a point where it's like, did
Speaker 1: you need to lay onto it for five whole minutes.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you another thing that makes it very disconcerting
Speaker 1: at this time. So now the majority of people across
Speaker 1: the planet live in densely populated urban areas, right, And
Speaker 1: it's unusual maybe for us in two to realize that
Speaker 1: was not always the norm. And I can speak from
Speaker 1: personal experience. For a time, when I was living in
Speaker 1: Central America, I was in the middle of nowhere, places
Speaker 1: where I would go days without hearing a machine other
Speaker 1: than maybe the distant hum of an airplane. And then
Speaker 1: when I went back to civilization, I was like dumbfounded.
Speaker 1: It's it's like, how if you don't eat salt for
Speaker 1: a while and then you eat fast food, You're like,
Speaker 1: what where did all this salt come from? The noises
Speaker 1: astonished me. So it's a real thing. But yes, is
Speaker 1: she the best casting to have a complaint about this,
Speaker 1: I don't know, because she's never quarreled with other problems
Speaker 1: of the human condition, like the need for shelter, clean water,
Speaker 1: or food. So picture her. She's up in her Italian style,
Speaker 1: quite opulent mansion, and she says she's smart too, She's
Speaker 1: quite intelligent. So she says, look, if I, as a
Speaker 1: lady of means, complained to the great unwashed about the
Speaker 1: problem I have with noise I may become a public enemy.
Speaker 1: I need a cause to rally around. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I made her sound so evil. That's probably unfair,
Speaker 1: But she says, there are all these hospitals in the city,
Speaker 1: and many of the people in the hospitals are poor
Speaker 1: and sick, So why don't we stick up for them.
Speaker 1: We won't tell people that I'm mainly mad about my mansion.
Speaker 1: Will tell people that I'm trying to help the poor.
Speaker 1: That's pronounced pe w e r Okay, then I mean
Speaker 1: I I think I get what you're putting down here,
Speaker 1: and I think I'm on the same way. You feel
Speaker 1: like she was using this philanthropic angle as a bit
Speaker 1: of a subterfuge when all she really wanted was to
Speaker 1: quiet down the noise around her opulent palatial estate. Oh yeah, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: and her her husband, Remember publisher Mr Rice, partners with her,
Speaker 1: and in nineteen o six he publishes a piece that
Speaker 1: she's written an effort to suppress noise, and she starts
Speaker 1: by quote Schopenhauer, who we mentioned earlier, another fellow elitist, saying,
Speaker 1: there are people, it is true, nay, a great many
Speaker 1: people who smile at such sounds because they are not
Speaker 1: sensitive to noise. But they're just the very people who
Speaker 1: are also not sensitive to argument or thought, or poetry
Speaker 1: or art anywhere in a word, to any kind of
Speaker 1: intellectual influence. Gross. What Wow, what a reductive way of
Speaker 1: looking at things. That's absurd, that's ignorant. I'm sorry, that's
Speaker 1: just radicious. Who are those people she's talking about? Poor people?
Speaker 1: She's talking about poor people. I mean that that's just
Speaker 1: who she's or or you know, people who are like
Speaker 1: subhuman in some way. I mean, she's describing these poor,
Speaker 1: borish oaths who can't enjoy you know, florid poetry and
Speaker 1: and uh and and beautiful chamber music. Instead they just
Speaker 1: get their rocks off listening to the sounds of anvils
Speaker 1: or something. You know, It's like, it's weird. And again
Speaker 1: when I say she is specifically describing blue collar workers, specifically,
Speaker 1: again that tugboat workers, who are you know, the longshoreman
Speaker 1: of of the era. Essentially right, And the piece goes
Speaker 1: on to further elaborate her efforts to ban it's whistling,
Speaker 1: you know, these tug boat toots or whatever, and Rice
Speaker 1: kind of casts herself as this like crusader of of
Speaker 1: of quietude, this um you know, like, what do you
Speaker 1: like some sort of like winged avenger of of order
Speaker 1: and uh and solitude and an enemy of chaos and cacophony. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so she had an order of operations first, as
Speaker 1: is a pattern for many well to do, very wealthy people,
Speaker 1: she goes through the legal system. She says, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go to the New York City Collector's Office Law Division,
Speaker 1: and I found a clause in their policies that say
Speaker 1: they can punish any licensed tug boat officer, specifically that
Speaker 1: they had judged to be uh conducting, negligence or unskillfulness,
Speaker 1: or to be guilty of misconduct. So she said, let
Speaker 1: me tell you guys this, those tugboat horns, those countless
Speaker 1: professional misconduct. The US local Steamboat Inspectors weighed in and
Speaker 1: basically said nasan. So no dice with that one. So
Speaker 1: she goes to the cops and she says, I want
Speaker 1: to start a petition. We'll get We'll get poor and
Speaker 1: rich people alike to sign off on this and say
Speaker 1: the noise is out of control, it's a problem. But
Speaker 1: we're going to send v I P. S. Movers and
Speaker 1: shakers early nineteen hundreds New York versions of Instagram influencers
Speaker 1: to get these to get these signatures, wealthy high, monkey,
Speaker 1: Muck's hospital, etcetera. You name it, important people. But the
Speaker 1: inspectors are still saying Na son Nason. Indeed, she's like
Speaker 1: a combination of like the original or the proto Karen.
Speaker 1: And I know, sorry for all people who actually named Karen,
Speaker 1: who are lovely people. I know that term has been
Speaker 1: kind of co opted and for that I am sorry,
Speaker 1: but it is what it is. Um. And also like
Speaker 1: she's kind of like Clint Eastwood in Grand Torino. She's
Speaker 1: very good off my lawn and no, it's weird. So
Speaker 1: what happens next? She starts to get a little traction,
Speaker 1: doesn't she? At first she's kind of somewhat shrugged off
Speaker 1: or her complaints fallen deaf ears um. But then she
Speaker 1: gets a bit of a win, right, well she does.
Speaker 1: First she uh, she does, to her credit, interviews some
Speaker 1: of the actual tugboat workers, the people she's vilified in
Speaker 1: the press, and they come back to and they say, look,
Speaker 1: we're not doing this for funzies. If we couldn't use
Speaker 1: our if we couldn't use our sonic equipment. We have
Speaker 1: to have an extra employee just to act as a messenger,
Speaker 1: and then we still lose a lot of time, and
Speaker 1: then we wouldn't be able to communicate with the people
Speaker 1: on the barge. We have to whistle to wake up
Speaker 1: the crew. And you can't expect, like Dr Rice, you
Speaker 1: can't expect people to legitimately stay up all day and
Speaker 1: all night just on the off chance someone waves at them.
Speaker 1: Our system works. And this is where she gets her win.
Speaker 1: She says, fine whatever. She goes to academics in various
Speaker 1: maritime disciplines and also to even more higher ups, and
Speaker 1: they endorse her and they start researching her claim that
Speaker 1: sound is bad. Finally, the National Board of Steam Navigation
Speaker 1: passes this resolution. It's pretty simple. It just prohibits unnecessary
Speaker 1: whistle blowing. The tugboat workers follow these rules for maybe
Speaker 1: two days, and then they find it's impossible to do
Speaker 1: their jobs. Also, this National Board of Steam Navigation has
Speaker 1: no realistic way of enforcing this because you can't stop
Speaker 1: all the horns so yeah, or identify which individual that
Speaker 1: came from. Once you kind of become part of like
Speaker 1: this giant body of noise, it's very very difficult to
Speaker 1: uh isolate which which which which tug boat was tooting
Speaker 1: at what particular moment. I love that word, by the way,
Speaker 1: just it just gives me a little giggle every time it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. Boy does it ever? But but but
Speaker 1: here's the thing again, totally misinformed in the first place,
Speaker 1: because Rice was like, this is unnecessary noise. Well, says you,
Speaker 1: but what about the tugboat workers, you know, who don't
Speaker 1: want to have a collision, you know, or need to
Speaker 1: be able to communicate something to one of their you know, cohorts.
Speaker 1: They would argue, this noise is absolutely necessary. Yeah, absolutely that.
Speaker 1: And they were arguing it was totally necessary. And so
Speaker 1: Rice tries to step it back a little and she
Speaker 1: puts out a law up. Oh wait, by the way,
Speaker 1: here comes the leafblower. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: can hear it, but Max, let's leave it in. This
Speaker 1: is illustrative of the points. Yeah. So so she says, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to use a little bit of nuance.
Speaker 1: She wants a law passed that restricts all but a
Speaker 1: few scenarios that allow tugboats to use their whistles or
Speaker 1: their horns and she goes to the Department of Commerce
Speaker 1: and Labor and she says, I want I want a
Speaker 1: toot cop. Basically, I want someone patrolling the waterways to
Speaker 1: make sure these ruffians aren't using their horns. And everyone said,
Speaker 1: no way, that's not gonna happen. So she goes to
Speaker 1: one last ditch effort, and this is where she finds success.
Speaker 1: There's an outfit called the American Association and Masters, Mates
Speaker 1: and Pilots. They had a meeting of about ten thousand people,
Speaker 1: huge crowd, and she gets them to pass the resolution
Speaker 1: ending the quote use of indiscriminate and above all noisy signaling.
Speaker 1: This gets replicated at the federal level under something called
Speaker 1: the nine seven Bennett Act, which is the very first
Speaker 1: anti noise bill ever ratified by Congress. And you would
Speaker 1: think maybe they agreed because she had put this battina
Speaker 1: of the poor and the sick over her real goal here,
Speaker 1: but not really. Instead, they found that signaling was actually
Speaker 1: hurting tugboat navigation and it was making a confusing for
Speaker 1: the same reason we mentioned earlier, was making confusing to
Speaker 1: enter and exit the harbor at night. It was making
Speaker 1: it unsafe because again, you can have a hard time
Speaker 1: telling which boat is tooting win. She also was super
Speaker 1: antagonistic to the tugboat workers because she was already starting
Speaker 1: off on a pretty pretty irritated you know. So she
Speaker 1: saw those guys as like personal nemessies, personal enemies instead
Speaker 1: folks she could collaborate with. She thought the mariners had
Speaker 1: knowingly deviously stolen her peace of mind. So that's why
Speaker 1: that's why when we look back, she seems kind of
Speaker 1: elitist and belligerent. But she also said a precedent other
Speaker 1: campaigns and other cities started springing up. So this is
Speaker 1: kind of that wind that I was alluding to, and
Speaker 1: Rice is riding high off of this. She organizes um
Speaker 1: this society that we talked about, uh and starts to
Speaker 1: you know, gather supporters, and she needs Ben a figurehead,
Speaker 1: you know, because at this point, yeah, she's definitely the
Speaker 1: loudest voice in the quiet room, but she needs someone
Speaker 1: that's famous to carry this torch with her at the
Speaker 1: very least in in name and reputation, if not actively,
Speaker 1: you know, being involved in the day to day of
Speaker 1: the organization. And she finds this in Mark Twain just
Speaker 1: really interesting considering his background as like a steamboat captain
Speaker 1: or a steamboat worker. Who how why is he on
Speaker 1: board with this cause? I don't understand you think he
Speaker 1: would relate more to the the tugboat workers than to
Speaker 1: to this, Uh, this woman complaining about noise? Yeah? How
Speaker 1: did he get from someone who worked in that industry
Speaker 1: to a guy who said, I'll help you tell kids
Speaker 1: to be quiet when they're walking or near hospitals? He wrote,
Speaker 1: He wrote an acceptance letter to her. Here's the dexert.
Speaker 1: I have an abundance of sympathy for this movement while
Speaker 1: with young guy, I would like to work for it. Now.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the compliment and pay me, and shall
Speaker 1: be happy to have my name used as president of
Speaker 1: the children's hospital brand. Sincerely, yours, Mark Quain. So these
Speaker 1: kids would get swag if they agreed to this anti
Speaker 1: noise pledge, they would get buttons, and the buttons would
Speaker 1: uh were mentor mind kids to be quiet around hospitals.
Speaker 1: They're in black and white and at the center you
Speaker 1: can see the word. The word is just humanity. So
Speaker 1: this is this is a kind of a weird thing.
Speaker 1: We also want to introduce a historian, Emily Thompson, who
Speaker 1: had a book come out called the Soundscape of Modernity,
Speaker 1: in which she talks about how there was a lot
Speaker 1: of classism in these laws. Yeah. I think this has
Speaker 1: been the acts we've been grinding this whole time, and
Speaker 1: it feels pretty obvious. But um, she lays it out
Speaker 1: in the Soundscape of Modernity and refers to the idea
Speaker 1: that these noise, these anti noise laws were essentially targeting
Speaker 1: the people that that Rice claimed to want to protect,
Speaker 1: the relatively powerless, Uh, folks who were seeing as some
Speaker 1: sort of I don't know, some sort of blight on
Speaker 1: the plant said, you know, middle and upper class kind
Speaker 1: of vision of a of a well ordered city. Uh.
Speaker 1: That quote right there is actually directly from the Soundscape
Speaker 1: of modernity. I like that, Uh, this idea that they
Speaker 1: were somehow standing in the way of this American dream.
Speaker 1: Right there was the nineteen o eight General Order of
Speaker 1: forty seven the New York City Police Commissioner Thomas Bingham
Speaker 1: issued that targeted the general idea of street ruckus uh,
Speaker 1: much more than port noise, which is as far been
Speaker 1: kind of what we've been talking about the idea of
Speaker 1: like you know, newsboys, uh and street vendors and all
Speaker 1: of that. People on roller skates, buskers, car horns in
Speaker 1: the like uh, flat wheeled street cars. The law even
Speaker 1: went on to ban uh noises like that resulted from
Speaker 1: people's jobs, like construction work, for example. And these kinds
Speaker 1: of law started popping up all over the country in
Speaker 1: places like Boston and Arkansas, even San Francisco and and yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: these laws were targeting folks who were working outdoors, you know,
Speaker 1: like who were trying to eke out a living in
Speaker 1: a very you know, dog eat dog situation, and a
Speaker 1: lot of these urban centers, Yeah, people who had to
Speaker 1: work in the street. And often these people were immigrants.
Speaker 1: They didn't have a lot of agency and the legal system.
Speaker 1: Their rights were routinely stamped upon, you know, doing part
Speaker 1: to racism, doing part to classism, you name it. Bad
Speaker 1: things happened to them. There were even laws that that
Speaker 1: got pretty discriminatory, like peddlers in Chicago for a time
Speaker 1: could only be in certain parts of the city and
Speaker 1: they could not shout as a way of advertising, so
Speaker 1: you no more extra extra get your paper here kind
Speaker 1: of things. Uh. The courts upheld this law in nineteen
Speaker 1: eleven and the peddlers went on strike. Then they rioted
Speaker 1: and just wrecked part of the city. The police broke
Speaker 1: the strike violently as they did back in the day,
Speaker 1: and soon there were no more vendors on the streets.
Speaker 1: More and more laws passed as the decades went on,
Speaker 1: more and more noise laws, and eventually this paved the way.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for cars because cut Yeah, no, no apologies, Max,
Speaker 1: because cars were now the kind of the dominant species
Speaker 1: of the ecosystem of the American street. Uh, and they
Speaker 1: of course create their own noise. So Rice didn't really
Speaker 1: solve the problem so much as she set up the
Speaker 1: stage where a different kind of noise. And this is um,
Speaker 1: every time we talked about this, the rise of cars.
Speaker 1: I want to do a history of jaywalking one day.
Speaker 1: It's some of the most successful propaganda ever. I think
Speaker 1: I may have done it on car stuff. Anyway, just
Speaker 1: listen to that episode. Well, I don't remember where we
Speaker 1: did it. Um, we've definitely discussed the idea of jaywalking
Speaker 1: was meant to basically reduce the idea of like a
Speaker 1: pedestrian situation, because it was like in Favor, it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, rods are now for cars, not for people.
Speaker 1: So jaywalking was again kind of this like weird law
Speaker 1: that allowed cops to harass people for walking exactly. It
Speaker 1: was vilifying the pedestrian. But cars also may have brought
Speaker 1: the first serious blow to Rice's anti noise movement because
Speaker 1: the automobile was unstoppable. It made a lot of noise.
Speaker 1: It drowned out protests on either side. It's funny too,
Speaker 1: because there's a bit of irony in the history here.
Speaker 1: You know, one of the people who may have driven
Speaker 1: the first motor car in Manhattan was Isaac Rice, Julia's husband,
Speaker 1: and he loved racing his agend Noisy Shane through Central Park.
Speaker 1: And the problem was, like, I don't know, I think
Speaker 1: this was an impossible task from the get go, even
Speaker 1: if the motivations weren't as selfish as it appears they
Speaker 1: actually are. But the big, big problem New Republic has
Speaker 1: a great article about this. The big, big problem with
Speaker 1: fighting unnecessary or loud noise is that the people who
Speaker 1: are making the noise. I don't think it's unnecessary. It
Speaker 1: all depends from your perspective. The guy wants to sell
Speaker 1: the papers, someone wants to take a joy ride. Someone
Speaker 1: doesn't want their tugboat to wreck. That seems like three
Speaker 1: very necessary things a million percent. I mean, especially the
Speaker 1: like things that involved safety for the workers and those
Speaker 1: around them. Maybe the newsies could you know, keep their
Speaker 1: voices down a little bit, wasn't waving the thing in
Speaker 1: the air. And now if you really have to shout
Speaker 1: again here I am playing the part of the curmudgeon
Speaker 1: ley city dweller that's just tired of all this stuff.
Speaker 1: But it is necessary, and it is the price pay
Speaker 1: of living in a city where there's like a lot
Speaker 1: going on. Uh So, again, I would argue that a
Speaker 1: lot of these like you know, naysayers should probably just
Speaker 1: move into the country they can afford it, get it,
Speaker 1: get a country house, you know, get a place in
Speaker 1: the Hampton's or whatever. I mean, this is just what
Speaker 1: comes along with living in a place where you're literally
Speaker 1: everyone's stacked on top of each other, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's really no way around it. This idea of what
Speaker 1: was the word they used, ben the dinless city. That's
Speaker 1: that's that's imaginary. It's not possoble. Yeah, it's very it's
Speaker 1: very true, nal and we know that other people have
Speaker 1: tried similar things. In the decades. Sets uh anti noise
Speaker 1: organizations became a planetary thing, and after World War One,
Speaker 1: the war against noise hit a new fever pitch UH.
Speaker 1: People were targeting things like the automobile horn in Paris
Speaker 1: and London and Chicago. It was banned in the nineteen twenties.
Speaker 1: In the nineteen thirties there was a Noiseless Nights campaign
Speaker 1: in New York where they would station these noise measuring
Speaker 1: devices across the city, and then New York past law
Speaker 1: multiple laws, like dozens of laws over the x UH
Speaker 1: like the next few decades to try to shut down
Speaker 1: really loud noises, and by the nineteen seventies, governments, not
Speaker 1: just Uncle Sam world governments were treating noise as environmental pollution,
Speaker 1: which it really is. I mean, to be fair, Rice
Speaker 1: may not have had the most noble of motivations, but
Speaker 1: she was onto something because you know you and I
Speaker 1: just pointed out earlier, the science is there that noise
Speaker 1: can do lasting harm to people exposed to it isn't
Speaker 1: if I know that Rice's husband, once he got his
Speaker 1: hand on a sweet ride, he was like totally over
Speaker 1: the whole anti noise things. I say not as I
Speaker 1: do exactly. It's like, if people knew how cool this
Speaker 1: was everybody do it? You know that's where Yeah, very
Speaker 1: much so. But it's not for you poors, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just for me and my joy rides around the
Speaker 1: city with my leather driving gloves. You're you're right, Ben,
Speaker 1: I mean there is some merit to this stuff, and
Speaker 1: again it is thankfully nowadays, you know, you can get
Speaker 1: these very very effective noise canceling headphones or earbuds that
Speaker 1: use technology to filter out a lot of frequencies. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it's actually I was just in we were just
Speaker 1: in Austin together and I was wearing those while walking around,
Speaker 1: or I think we were in in a barcade and
Speaker 1: I was just listening to some podcast stuff for work
Speaker 1: and I walked outside, I took them out, and it's
Speaker 1: like it's just like the world opens up and it's
Speaker 1: very jarring. Just as I did it, this like line
Speaker 1: of Hary Krishna dudes playing like the most jarring jangly
Speaker 1: tambourines and pots and pan banging kind of sound that
Speaker 1: ever passed right by me. And I almost bowled me
Speaker 1: over because I went from this control rolled kind of
Speaker 1: you know, measured quiet to just the world was on
Speaker 1: fire with noise. So I get it. It can be jarring,
Speaker 1: but again, nowadays it's a lot easier to filter that out.
Speaker 1: And I think it's probably the saving grace of a
Speaker 1: lot of people that live in super noisy places like
Speaker 1: New York and London. Uh, is this noise canceling technology? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's like, that's why I go back to that
Speaker 1: Central America example, because I get it. I was I
Speaker 1: was astounded, like I could not hang out for a while.
Speaker 1: I had to get to a quiet place and like
Speaker 1: gradually introduce myself to city life again the way that
Speaker 1: a DPC diver has to gradually reach the surface to
Speaker 1: avoid the bends. And really, you know, another important point
Speaker 1: about this is it's targeting the noise of individual people,
Speaker 1: like Wagnon points out in the Atlantic article, doesn't really
Speaker 1: do much. It doesn't address the real problem. The real
Speaker 1: problem is environmental noise, transportation, industrial activity. That's the kind
Speaker 1: of stuff that can really call us lasting harm. That's
Speaker 1: what has to be targeted if someone wants these campaigns
Speaker 1: to be successful. And I gotta tell you, I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you I'm very biased with this because I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys know this, but I have miss aphonia,
Speaker 1: which means that certain certain noises just drive me up
Speaker 1: the wall, through the ceiling, out of town and into orbit.
Speaker 1: Mouth noises in particular snoring, eating, you know, chewing loudly,
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So I also am really well
Speaker 1: aware that not everybody likes every noise. It's just when
Speaker 1: you get to the idea of policing other people's individual behavior,
Speaker 1: you have to ask yourself if you're really solving a problem.
Speaker 1: And I'm starting to wonder if Rice herself may have
Speaker 1: had miss aphonia just because of the way she targeted
Speaker 1: tugboats in particular. Absolutely, And you also have to decide
Speaker 1: how far are you willing to go, because you know,
Speaker 1: once you open up this kind of thinking and then
Speaker 1: these types of law, it's like, we're not going to
Speaker 1: arrest until we live in a completely noise protected world,
Speaker 1: and that's just not possible. So at the beginning, I said,
Speaker 1: is the is the war on noise like the war
Speaker 1: on drugs, and that it's unwinnable. I would argue, yes,
Speaker 1: noise is part of life. You really can't get rid
Speaker 1: of it entirely. And I think you're totally ripe. And
Speaker 1: this is one person's crusade because of a personal vendetta
Speaker 1: that then kind of became um falsely, I would argue,
Speaker 1: wrapped up in some greater good argument, But I think
Speaker 1: you're right then. I think it all came down to
Speaker 1: she was just annoyed by the thing and therefore wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna rest until you know, she solved the problem for her.
Speaker 1: And with that, this episode of Ridiculous History Noise draws
Speaker 1: to a close. We hope you enjoyed it. Uh big,
Speaker 1: big thanks to that leaf blower out there who is
Speaker 1: just trying to do his job. Big big thanks to
Speaker 1: Mr Max Williams, are super producer, and uh big thanks.
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Speaker 1: the kind of on this topic right here. Fantastic fantastic.
Speaker 1: Maybe we end on a slightly positively because I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, ask people what their worst sounds are, but no,
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