Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always
Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Who doesn't love London? Who
Speaker 1: doesn't love beer? Who doesn't love cholera? Record? Scratch? What? What?
Speaker 1: What are we talking about? Well? First, who'd like to
Speaker 1: introduce our super producer, Mr Max Williams. They called me
Speaker 1: ben No, we're coming in hot And I think one
Speaker 1: of those things is not like the other. I think
Speaker 1: you can love London and beer and not love color.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's entirely a plausible scenario. Agreed, Agreed,
Speaker 1: And this is also it's funny. We're talking about today's
Speaker 1: episode off air for a while, and one of the
Speaker 1: things that we noticed is that we've run into several
Speaker 1: stories about London and cholera. You may have heard our
Speaker 1: earlier episode on the Train of the Dead or the
Speaker 1: so called Great Stink, But today we're we're returning to
Speaker 1: this period in time with a little bit of a
Speaker 1: different take. Now, if you you've listened to our previous
Speaker 1: episodes Ridiculous Historians, you know that in eighteen fifty four,
Speaker 1: there was an outbreak of cholera in London, specifically in
Speaker 1: the Soho district. And previously we had introduced a physician
Speaker 1: with a name that was not associated with Game of
Speaker 1: Thrones at the time, doctor named John Snow. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: guy knows lots of stuff, unlike John Snow, who who
Speaker 1: knows nothing but also new some things, but also a
Speaker 1: little bit dumb. John Snow is this fellow's name. It's true.
Speaker 1: He was an epidemiologist, I guess, which you could refer
Speaker 1: to before that was even a thing. He sort of
Speaker 1: like blaze the trail for that field, um, and he
Speaker 1: was very much responsible for figuring out why so many
Speaker 1: people in London and and the surrounding areas were getting
Speaker 1: so very sick. There was at the time this concept
Speaker 1: known as miasthma theory, the idea of bad air, you know,
Speaker 1: and that that that these diseases and maladies were being
Speaker 1: spread through the air. Snow, through some trial and error
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, some crack medical detective work, figured
Speaker 1: out that wasn't the case at all, and uh he
Speaker 1: traced it to the water. And one thing that really
Speaker 1: helped him do that was isolating the beer drinkers from
Speaker 1: the people who were drinking like well water and then
Speaker 1: the water that came from the pumps, which oftentimes was
Speaker 1: directly pumped from the Thames River, which, as we know
Speaker 1: even today, it's not in the place you'd really even
Speaker 1: want to take a dip let alone drink water from.
Speaker 1: But um, that's the broad Strokes. Let's set up. Let's
Speaker 1: backtrack a little bit. Um. We've had six worldwide cholera
Speaker 1: epidemics from eighteen seventeen to nineteen twenty three, and during
Speaker 1: one of the biggest outbreaks in London, the water and
Speaker 1: the Thames got so bad that there was a political
Speaker 1: cartoon that dubbed it a monster soup uh, and it
Speaker 1: was like one of those really you know, cool kind
Speaker 1: of stylized political cartoons that had it full of like
Speaker 1: all these like hydras and locknest monsters and chimeras and
Speaker 1: Gorgon's and all that good stuff. And check out Mental
Speaker 1: Flaws for an article about five infamous epidemics that we
Speaker 1: hope to never see again where we pulled sminfo for
Speaker 1: this episode. Flash to eighteen fifty four though, and also
Speaker 1: check out Vintage News by Diana Rodesca. Uh. The eighteen
Speaker 1: fifty four cholera outbreak of Broad Street, so during eighteen
Speaker 1: fifty four, which is the third epidemic. Parts of London
Speaker 1: were bad when it came to cholera, very like To
Speaker 1: be clear, it was in multiple areas of town, but
Speaker 1: the biggest, worst part of the outbreak was in Soho.
Speaker 1: In the space of just three days, a hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty seven people died, and just a month later there
Speaker 1: were five hundred plus people dead from cholera. And folks
Speaker 1: again thought that it spread through my asthma, which is
Speaker 1: the air being bad, specifically air rising from the soil
Speaker 1: at night, you know. So you could say these people
Speaker 1: are getting sick. Maybe they lived by a graveyard or
Speaker 1: some other place where the soil might be considered tainted.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, the Soho of that time was
Speaker 1: not the Soho of today. It didn't have all the cool,
Speaker 1: you know, gentrified stuff, the restaurants, the clubs, the have
Speaker 1: been diversions as they're called sometimes. Uh. Instead it was
Speaker 1: a slum. It was a really tough place to live.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of sanitation problems, not least of
Speaker 1: which the fact that the wells from which the population
Speaker 1: got their water were like right next to cess pits
Speaker 1: and trash piles and they knew what cholera was, right.
Speaker 1: They didn't know how it spread, but they knew its effects.
Speaker 1: And this is where John Snow, who has already made
Speaker 1: his name as an obstetrician. Uh he this is where
Speaker 1: he comes in. He publishes this Treatise on the Mode
Speaker 1: of Communication Cholera in eighteen forty nine, and he says, look,
Speaker 1: it's not bad air, folks. The plague here is caused
Speaker 1: by dirty drinking water. It's caused by pollution, it's caused
Speaker 1: by sewage, and it always commences with disturbances of the
Speaker 1: functions of the alimentary can out. Everybody ignored him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even his fellow physicians, the medical um community. I thought
Speaker 1: that he was really overreaching, because, you know, it was
Speaker 1: sort of like the equivalent of like the idea of
Speaker 1: the humors, you know, back in the earliest days of
Speaker 1: of medical of medicine um, the idea of having too
Speaker 1: much bile or being like overloaded with one particular humor
Speaker 1: or another being like colocky or what has it been
Speaker 1: not colloquy? Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah, um, the idea
Speaker 1: that your temperament would be in your you know, your
Speaker 1: health would be determined by the balance of these like
Speaker 1: ephemeral kind of like substances that existed in the body.
Speaker 1: And of course all that stuff has been debunked. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's very much akin to like leeching and bad blood.
Speaker 1: You know, this is bad air and it was totally
Speaker 1: accepted by the medical community. So that being the case
Speaker 1: is miasthma theory, you know, being the that's what it is,
Speaker 1: and then we can do about that. That's the funny
Speaker 1: thing about it too, is like it's the theory that
Speaker 1: really doesn't have much recourse. You can't exactly suck the
Speaker 1: b at air out of the sky and filter. They
Speaker 1: didn't have that technology. At least, you know, John snow
Speaker 1: had a theory of a thing that we could maybe avoid.
Speaker 1: Let's just try it out. What do you say we
Speaker 1: try to you know, drinke water from elsewhere, or like
Speaker 1: boil the water or do something to to purify it.
Speaker 1: At least he didn't get thrown in an asylum like
Speaker 1: the guy asked people to wash their hands shout outside exactly.
Speaker 1: That's how things were in those days. These were very
Speaker 1: you didn't want to upset the apple cart of science. Um,
Speaker 1: which is apparently an apple cart situation. Uh, so caller
Speaker 1: albres continued in London and Newcastle and in eighteen fifty
Speaker 1: three more than ten thousand people lost their lives due
Speaker 1: to this outbreak due to this epidemic, and then again
Speaker 1: in the summer of eighteen fifty four UH in Southwark,
Speaker 1: London and Lambeth, which is south of the Thames, we
Speaker 1: saw another devastating outbreak and then the big one hit
Speaker 1: in Soho. But we set up the episode with August
Speaker 1: thirty one, seven people in three days were killed and
Speaker 1: that people started to freak out and just flee this city.
Speaker 1: And this was very similar behavior to what had happened
Speaker 1: during the Bubonic plague in sixteen sixty six. There was
Speaker 1: some you know, echoes of that and people were not
Speaker 1: sticking around to find out what happened next. Yeah, why
Speaker 1: would you. Three quarters of the population and left by
Speaker 1: September seven. We do have to point out John Snow. Dr.
Speaker 1: Snow lives near Soho, so this is close to home
Speaker 1: for him, you know what I mean. I think it's
Speaker 1: important to established he's not hanging out in some country
Speaker 1: cottage expounding on things based on his own humors of
Speaker 1: the time. Look, this was a huge problem and this
Speaker 1: kind of disease could be a great equalizer. It was
Speaker 1: striking people based on their water sources. They would come
Speaker 1: to find in the middle of the eighteen hundreds, you know,
Speaker 1: folks didn't have their tushies shout out, tushy, check out
Speaker 1: our episode, or running water in homes. It would be
Speaker 1: incredibly unusual. Instead, you have a communal pump, you'd have
Speaker 1: a town well, and you would get the water that
Speaker 1: you used for literally everything, washing, cooking, drinking water. Septic
Speaker 1: systems were super old. This is weird, but this for
Speaker 1: some reason, this used to fascinate me when I was
Speaker 1: a kid reading about this period of time. A lot
Speaker 1: of untreated sewage or like animal waste crap from livestock
Speaker 1: basically would either be thrown directly into the tims. Back
Speaker 1: in the day, it used to be instead of a
Speaker 1: sewage system, there used to be this open sewer running
Speaker 1: down the middle of streets and you would just throw
Speaker 1: your stuff from there, and you would sometimes do it
Speaker 1: from the second floor, so it wasn't a common to
Speaker 1: get hit with a pile of filth. But they also
Speaker 1: had these open pits called cesspools, and to make it worse,
Speaker 1: water companies pulled in Nestley. They would go to the tims,
Speaker 1: which was a free source of water. They would bottle
Speaker 1: the water and then they would h sell it to
Speaker 1: pubs and breweries and other businesses. Nobody was checking the sewage.
Speaker 1: There was not like a big filter, not even a
Speaker 1: primitive filtration system that they ran this through. So Dr
Speaker 1: Snow reasonably says, you know, I think it might be
Speaker 1: that we're dumping all of our trash in the river
Speaker 1: or into these literal centuries old trash piles, and I
Speaker 1: think that might be bad for the water. And he
Speaker 1: was moting he had thought this for a while, and
Speaker 1: the opportunity to really try to prove his theory came
Speaker 1: amid this great tragedy of this cholera outbreak. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he he be opined on this. Uh in his journals
Speaker 1: um he wrote, within two fifty yards of the spot
Speaker 1: where Cambridge Street joins Broad Street, there were upwards a
Speaker 1: five hundred fatal attacks of cholera in ten days. As
Speaker 1: soon as I became acquainted with the city station, an
Speaker 1: extant of this eruption of color, I suspected some contamination
Speaker 1: of the water of the much frequented street pump in
Speaker 1: Broad Street. Remember that the street pump, that is where
Speaker 1: he traced it to, or at least that was the
Speaker 1: most obvious culpri Yeah, and picture picture a increasingly sleepless
Speaker 1: dr snow working around the clock. Scenes flashback and forth
Speaker 1: of him tracing things around the town pump, him talking
Speaker 1: to people, him hitting the bricks while there's the sound
Speaker 1: of a ticking clock. Well wait, we don't know about
Speaker 1: the sound design yet, Max, because second hands on clocks
Speaker 1: appeared in the fifteen century on German clocks, but they
Speaker 1: didn't really become common until the eight century. So there
Speaker 1: you go. Be fun at parties. Anyhow. The idea here
Speaker 1: is that he was he was studying this the same
Speaker 1: way like a like a civil engineer or a traffic
Speaker 1: engineer might sit at a light and study traffic, and
Speaker 1: he was looking at public records. He found this strong correlation.
Speaker 1: People who lived or worked near the pump, this one
Speaker 1: in particular in Broad Street were more likely to use it,
Speaker 1: and thus they were also more likely to contract cholera.
Speaker 1: He established this correlation. He used a geographical grid to
Speaker 1: chart deaths from the outbreak, and in each case he
Speaker 1: tried to determine conclusively whether they had access pump water
Speaker 1: or whether they were more likely to. And then he
Speaker 1: was eventually pretty quickly actually convinced that this pump was
Speaker 1: the source of the epidemic. In soho, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like finding out the killer lives in your neighborhood. It's
Speaker 1: pretty cool though, because I mean he really did take
Speaker 1: a strategic approach when all of these other you know,
Speaker 1: frankly quack physicians were just blaming you know, the magical
Speaker 1: bad air, um, the miasma or whatever, which also we've
Speaker 1: seen UM kind of lampooned in political cartoons like like
Speaker 1: almost like UM personifying the air as some sort of
Speaker 1: like spooky ghost or something like that, you know, with
Speaker 1: like evil tendril type fingers or whatever. I we've seen
Speaker 1: those before and previous episodes where we've talked about this subject.
Speaker 1: But he traced it to that pump, and he was
Speaker 1: able to kind of, like you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: do some kind of slew thing. And he asked around,
Speaker 1: and he found the proprietor of this uh little cafe
Speaker 1: in that neighborhood who served water to our customers directly
Speaker 1: from the Broad Street pump along with their meals, and
Speaker 1: she personally knew of nine customers that had gotten cholera.
Speaker 1: This is kind of cute. There's a popular kind of
Speaker 1: a sweet drink at the time was called sure it Um.
Speaker 1: Not the sure but we know the delicious fruity, creamy
Speaker 1: ice cream type substitute. But this was a powder that
Speaker 1: you would put in water and it would get fizzy um.
Speaker 1: And in the Broad Street area of Soho, the water
Speaker 1: that was used for that very popular drink was from
Speaker 1: the Ding Ding Ding Broad Street pump as well and snow. Really,
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm starting to believe that this was
Speaker 1: the source of the outbreak. So he started to look
Speaker 1: at different clusters around the neighborhood of of of outbreaks
Speaker 1: of cases and then you know, through process of elimination,
Speaker 1: determine whether or not they had drank water from that pump.
Speaker 1: And he actually started to collect and kola this data
Speaker 1: and what would ultimately become like a cholera map kind
Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah, yeah, and this is a brilliant move.
Speaker 1: You're also seeing some testing for the people who we're
Speaker 1: totally fine, who didn't drink from this particular pump and
Speaker 1: checking whether or not they also avoided cholera. This is
Speaker 1: a very important part of the test, and this is
Speaker 1: where we find the ridiculous thing. This helped Snow rule
Speaker 1: out possible sources of contagions. He found some examples of
Speaker 1: people who didn't have cholera. One was a workhouse, which
Speaker 1: is basically a prison. At this point. The workhouse in
Speaker 1: the Soho area adjacent to it had over five in mates,
Speaker 1: but almost no colliary cases. Snow discovers it's because the
Speaker 1: workhouse has its own well and it brings in water
Speaker 1: from outside of the area. There's also and this is
Speaker 1: this is the funny part. This is the ridiculous part. Max.
Speaker 1: If you were waiting, fellow, ridiculous stories. If you're waiting,
Speaker 1: Snow also found there's a brewery on Broad Street, which
Speaker 1: should like ground zero for colliery cases. But the guys
Speaker 1: who work at this brewery don't get cholera because they're
Speaker 1: drinking so much malt liquor. It's it's because according to
Speaker 1: the owner of the brewery, a guy named Mr. Huggins,
Speaker 1: he said, look, my guys drink the liquor they make,
Speaker 1: or they drink water from the breweries. Well, we don't
Speaker 1: go drink that Broad Street pump water. And none of
Speaker 1: them at cholera because they were day drinking. To jump
Speaker 1: in here. I mean, this is actually a very um
Speaker 1: common trend, and it's around this time period, especially earlier.
Speaker 1: Like my dad has a book about the Founding Fathers
Speaker 1: and their alcohol youth. It's like, you know, copious, like
Speaker 1: John Adams woke up in the morning and the first
Speaker 1: thing he did was drink too hard ciders. Like he's
Speaker 1: in bed drinking these hard ciders because it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: for a very long time, drinking the water would kill you,
Speaker 1: as we're seeing literally in the story, but even like
Speaker 1: centuries before that. So I mean, I just find it funny,
Speaker 1: like it's part of history. I feel like we don't
Speaker 1: really ever talk about, but it's pretty entertaining it It's funny,
Speaker 1: and people got the job done. It's like we joke
Speaker 1: about like mad Men era, like you know, uh, Madison
Speaker 1: Avenue executives and stuff in the fifties and sixties, like
Speaker 1: drinking highballs all day long. But it goes back way
Speaker 1: farther than that, and people knew how to hold their
Speaker 1: booze and get stuff done. Apparently, it would seem I mean,
Speaker 1: and I will say as a as a restaurant manager,
Speaker 1: for a number of years. I've been through a number
Speaker 1: of breweries and guess what, they're still drinking the beer
Speaker 1: and the berries. This is not something that's changed, right,
Speaker 1: There's there's this other thing. Um, you know, we we
Speaker 1: should point this out. There's always fascinating me too, in
Speaker 1: this period of time when water would sometimes we considered
Speaker 1: unsafe and you would drink of for minute beverage. But
Speaker 1: in this period, in this period of time, the average
Speaker 1: person wasn't drinking like distilled liquor, like brandy or something.
Speaker 1: It was going to be wine or need or beer.
Speaker 1: It is fascinating though. I love Let's give a shout
Speaker 1: out once again to Max's brother Alex for his famous
Speaker 1: eggnog recipe, which shows you just how boozy George Washington
Speaker 1: in particular was. Yeah, and I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a good point. Like all of this stuff was relatively
Speaker 1: lower alcohol by volume than liquor, so it wasn't like
Speaker 1: they were waking up and pounding shots or something like that.
Speaker 1: This is something that you could maintain on. And I
Speaker 1: just got back from a trip to Germany and that's
Speaker 1: still the way they drink there. Everybody's people drinking kinds
Speaker 1: of beer for breakfast, you know, but it's like low
Speaker 1: a b V and you can maintain that. Me personally,
Speaker 1: beer makes me super sleepy, not really drunk, It just
Speaker 1: makes because to the amount you have to drink of
Speaker 1: it to get a buzz for me just puts me down.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've eaten three loaves of bread. So
Speaker 1: I just that part of it doesn't click for me.
Speaker 1: But it is kind of a built in safe hard
Speaker 1: to keep people from getting like way too rowdy. Because
Speaker 1: I noticed I didn't notice any bar fights while I
Speaker 1: was there. I didn't notice anybody like slashed or puking
Speaker 1: in the streets. I think it is a much more
Speaker 1: of a cultural part of their existence. Uh, and they
Speaker 1: know how to handle it better. Yeah. Last time I
Speaker 1: was in Germany, I one thing that startled me was
Speaker 1: he had to get used to the casual drinking. But
Speaker 1: you make a great point. I didn't see a ton
Speaker 1: of people slashed. I did see a guy pushing a
Speaker 1: baby carriage, and you know it's one of those like
Speaker 1: I call him action carriages where they've got like the
Speaker 1: big back two wheels, the one in the front. Since
Speaker 1: the tripod designer Delta design, they have these cup holders,
Speaker 1: and this guy was pushing this off the off the
Speaker 1: train and then he lifted up, Uh, he's coming out
Speaker 1: of the stage. He lifted up the holder and he
Speaker 1: had like a tall boy of some beer, which I'm
Speaker 1: assuming is very nice, and it seemed it seemed fine.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's true. Lest we paint these factory workers
Speaker 1: or these brewery workers as some kind of like raging,
Speaker 1: wet brained alcoholics, we do have to point out yet
Speaker 1: it's a benefit for them because it's just a side
Speaker 1: benefit of where they work. You know, if they worked
Speaker 1: at a ham factory, they probably eat a lot of ham.
Speaker 1: It also wasn't a case of them just being completely
Speaker 1: dooped to the moon every day. It's just like you
Speaker 1: guys said, it's a more casual thing for them. But
Speaker 1: they didn't have cholera. And Snow goes to this other
Speaker 1: factory that is near the pump, and this one's at
Speaker 1: thirty seven Broad Street, and he finds out sixteen workers
Speaker 1: there died from cholera. Also, the factory was known to
Speaker 1: keep two tubs of water on hand for employees to
Speaker 1: drink at work, and that water was ding ding ding
Speaker 1: from the Broad Street pump. That's right. Then we have
Speaker 1: another case of an aunt and her knee who died
Speaker 1: because of cholera. And this was one that really perplexed
Speaker 1: Snow because the aunt did not live near Soho at all,
Speaker 1: nor did her niece, and there was no direct connection
Speaker 1: to the deadly pump, the deadly Broad Street pump. But
Speaker 1: he did some interviews like he like he was wont
Speaker 1: to do, and he talked to the woman's son who
Speaker 1: said his mother had lived in the Broad Street area
Speaker 1: at one point and liked the water so much that
Speaker 1: she had bottled it up and and saved it and
Speaker 1: like you know, had like a stockpile of it in
Speaker 1: her home. Let's be honest, what's that flavor coming from?
Speaker 1: Good Lord, it's coming from the poop, It's coming from
Speaker 1: coming from stuff, animal blood. If it's if it do
Speaker 1: you know what? It could be anything? It could be
Speaker 1: like a foot. It could just be a foot that's
Speaker 1: slowly rotting. She might just be in the foot flavored water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's possible. It Satia staro. And just to clarify, she
Speaker 1: she had had stockpiled some of it, but also was
Speaker 1: having like she had it delivered to her. I guess
Speaker 1: it's some kind of service. Um, that's pretty posh. Don't
Speaker 1: you think she would have had to spend a little
Speaker 1: extra to get special delivery of water from across town?
Speaker 1: That is so weird. The privilege here seems seems a
Speaker 1: little weird, right for modern example, It's almost like saying, uh,
Speaker 1: we've traced the latest clamydia outbreak too. Uh, sun basket
Speaker 1: the delivery service, but not Hello Fresh with sponsors, no show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. I mean it's and and it's it's it's
Speaker 1: sad because they died literally the next day. They were
Speaker 1: able to trace the pumping of the water that they
Speaker 1: drank to August thirty one, which was the day of
Speaker 1: the outbreak. Uh. And she and her niece would would
Speaker 1: take the air on the verandah and share a glass
Speaker 1: of cool water for refreshment, and then they died the
Speaker 1: very next day. Yeah. And Snow is a heroic scientist,
Speaker 1: just just so you know, folks, because he is still
Speaker 1: at this point proving a theory. By this point, he
Speaker 1: is more than certain that cholera is coming from the
Speaker 1: well water. But what happens next in September eighteen fifty
Speaker 1: four completely cements his understanding. He uses a microscope and
Speaker 1: takes a sample of water from the Broad Street pump
Speaker 1: and in it he sees white, flaculent particles. He goes
Speaker 1: to the board of Guardians over at St. James Parish
Speaker 1: and says, look, I know this might sound crazy, but
Speaker 1: you've got to disable this pump, remove the handle, shut
Speaker 1: it down. They're killing people. And the folks of the
Speaker 1: parish aren't totally buying his story. But again, so many
Speaker 1: people are contracting cholera and dying that they're desperate enough
Speaker 1: to try anything. So the handle gets removed on September eight,
Speaker 1: and people can't draw water from the pump. It doesn't work.
Speaker 1: It's such an easy, foolproof solution. And at this point,
Speaker 1: which yeah, and then cases dropped. Cases almost immediately drops.
Speaker 1: So let's get some fanfare. Noise Todctor John snow, wait wait,
Speaker 1: cut it, cut it, no, no, Max, cut it. Because
Speaker 1: the despite the fact that he was absolutely correct about this,
Speaker 1: public officials were still like, this guy's a crackpot. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. He had to fight to the nail
Speaker 1: to even get them to listen to him at all,
Speaker 1: even in the slightest and he was the whole time risking,
Speaker 1: you know, professional uh annihilation essentially because he was, you know,
Speaker 1: pushing the He was the to his figure pushing the
Speaker 1: rock up the hill. Everyone was pointing at him and
Speaker 1: laughing and saying, why are you doing that, idiot? And
Speaker 1: so yeah, even though they did the thing that he suggested,
Speaker 1: um and the cases dropped precipitously, still wasn't enough. They
Speaker 1: refused to do anything to actually address the problem. How
Speaker 1: about that sounds familiar. It's like, oh, yeah, well, well,
Speaker 1: well we'll pinch off this one source, but we're not
Speaker 1: actually gonna go beyond that any further. So they refused
Speaker 1: to clean up all of these open sewers and cesspools,
Speaker 1: and the Board of Public Health put out a report
Speaker 1: saying literally that they saw no reason to take on
Speaker 1: Snow's beliefs um and they called what he was putting
Speaker 1: out their mere conjectures. Actually the word they used was
Speaker 1: suggestions cord, which feels like there's a Michael Scott somewhere
Speaker 1: in the parish or on the board of Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they still they still insisted on attributing the cholera to
Speaker 1: mi asthma or bad air. But over the years, Snow's
Speaker 1: theory begins to gain traction because he is correct, and
Speaker 1: people would take his research and later use it to
Speaker 1: gain a new perspective, a new understanding of how to
Speaker 1: protect themselves from cholera. But there's one question he didn't answer.
Speaker 1: There's one thing that left him baffled. He could not
Speaker 1: prove where the contamination originated, Like, how did the okay,
Speaker 1: if it comes from the pump, how did the water
Speaker 1: get dirty in the first place? We joked about foot
Speaker 1: water or um let's be honest, we're all we're all
Speaker 1: mature people here. We can say it poop water. And
Speaker 1: and there was the the officials said, there's no way
Speaker 1: sewage from our town pipes leaked to the pump. And
Speaker 1: Snow said, I can't figure out whether the sew had
Speaker 1: just coming from open sewers. Maybe they're drains that are
Speaker 1: just going straight into the groundwater, maybe they're cesspools. But
Speaker 1: someone did solve the mystery, and they did it because
Speaker 1: they wanted to prove John Snow wrong. Let's be Reverend
Speaker 1: Henry Whitehead, last name, all one word. He said, the
Speaker 1: outbreak was not caused by tainted water. It was caused
Speaker 1: by wait for it, god, divine intervention. And so he
Speaker 1: investigated this, he couldn't find any proof and is published
Speaker 1: reports in fact confirm what John Snow said. And then
Speaker 1: John Snow was able to use Reverend Whitehead's research to
Speaker 1: learn something pretty interesting, because you see, Whitehead was conducting
Speaker 1: interviews of his own. That's right. He interviewed a woman
Speaker 1: who lived at forty Broad Street whose child had gotten
Speaker 1: cholera from a different source. Right. But since there weren't
Speaker 1: really any regulations as to you know, where sewage was
Speaker 1: supposed to go and and where one might wash, you know,
Speaker 1: soiled clothes, this mother would wash. You know, this is
Speaker 1: not the days of disposable diapers. This is the days
Speaker 1: of cloth diapers that you would reuse because no one
Speaker 1: could afford anything like that that that you to use
Speaker 1: to just use a sing a single use garment. That's absurd,
Speaker 1: because it was so they would be washed and this
Speaker 1: particular cholera uh stricken child's dirty diaper. And sorry' all
Speaker 1: meant to point out that it gets a little grocer
Speaker 1: from here. We're washed in a body of water that
Speaker 1: ran off into into the the thamps, which was directly
Speaker 1: um feeding that um that Broad Street pump. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he said, this is what caused that horrific cholera outbreak,
Speaker 1: and about a year later a magazine of the time
Speaker 1: called the build publishers Reverend Whitehead's findings, and then they
Speaker 1: issue a challenge to the powers that be of Soho,
Speaker 1: and they say, closed that cesspool, repair the sewers and drains,
Speaker 1: because in spite of and there's a good point, in
Speaker 1: spite of the late numerous deaths, so they say, we
Speaker 1: have all the materials for a fresh epidemic or a
Speaker 1: fresh edemic. They did not use that portmanteau, but missed opportunity.
Speaker 1: And it's still it still took it still took a
Speaker 1: long time, like we're talking most we're talking spans of
Speaker 1: years before public officials did make those recommended improvements in
Speaker 1: that color infected kid who was an innocent did turn
Speaker 1: out to be the vector for the spread there in Soho.
Speaker 1: And all in all, the contamination OUs more than six deaths,
Speaker 1: but there would have been many more deaths were it
Speaker 1: not for John Snow's investigation, and were it not for
Speaker 1: the delightfully boozy fact brewery workers that he was able
Speaker 1: to he was able to use to kind of correlate
Speaker 1: the spread of this pump water and the spread of
Speaker 1: this contagion. There's a great Wired article. Uh, Noel Maximum,
Speaker 1: we both we all looked at this. Uh there's a
Speaker 1: great Wired article where you can read more in depth
Speaker 1: about his mapping process and about how he was able
Speaker 1: to convince the local authorities to finally like, can you
Speaker 1: imagine you have the They treated him a little like
Speaker 1: a crackpot. They were like, all right, well, doc, we'll
Speaker 1: take the handles off. But that's it, you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. So he was really fighting the hour
Speaker 1: for a while. So shout out to Randy Alfred over
Speaker 1: at Wired for that one. Like we said that he
Speaker 1: did leave a legacy. I mean, it's twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: we're talking about him today, right absolutely. I mean the
Speaker 1: idea of sanitation is key, you know, to having a
Speaker 1: functional society where people aren't you know, falling out from illness.
Speaker 1: I mean, and again we know we're living in the
Speaker 1: midst of a pandemic right now, I mean, hopefully the
Speaker 1: back end of one, but yet there it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: we certainly had to adopt very quickly some very specific
Speaker 1: sanitation regulations in terms of you know, showing vaccination and
Speaker 1: wearing masks and all of that stuff, and it is
Speaker 1: in the service of the public good. Uh. And you
Speaker 1: know the COVID nineteen pandemic obviously killed thousands and thousands
Speaker 1: of people. Um, so you gotta take that stuff seriously.
Speaker 1: At the very least, public health officials did take it seriously.
Speaker 1: And I would argue that's largely because of the legacy
Speaker 1: of Dr John Snow. Yeah, agreed. If you go to
Speaker 1: the site of the original pump and soho today, you'll
Speaker 1: see something interesting. You'll see a plaque and you'll see
Speaker 1: a pump without a handle. That's on purpose. It is
Speaker 1: a monument to John Snow. The exact pump location is
Speaker 1: a little bit different. The street it's on is named
Speaker 1: Broadwick Street now, and you'll see a colored sidewalk slab.
Speaker 1: And you know what that slab is right outside, folks,
Speaker 1: the john Snow Pub where you can drop in and
Speaker 1: have a guarantee Colera free time. They did not make
Speaker 1: that guarantee. I just made that guarantee. But I feel
Speaker 1: like that's a safe one to make, right. I think
Speaker 1: it's a safe guarantee to make on their behalf. Then
Speaker 1: the beer and water collar free. But you know, as
Speaker 1: we know I mean today, I mean, you know, things
Speaker 1: like kombucha and you know, probiotics and all of that,
Speaker 1: and these kinds of drinks are known to be good
Speaker 1: for your health and um, you know, cultivating good gut
Speaker 1: back tierria that can help you fight disease. So the
Speaker 1: beer situation, while it also had to do with the
Speaker 1: fact that the water was different and that it was
Speaker 1: you know, treated, the actual fermented angle of it is
Speaker 1: something that has carried on today and it's still very
Speaker 1: popular necessarily associated with like okay, drink beer for your health,
Speaker 1: but fermented beverages are known to to do something very
Speaker 1: positive for people's you know, day to day health. Outside
Speaker 1: of Germany. I think in Germany should beer for your health?
Speaker 1: Uh brust But yeah, it's it's a fascinating story. And
Speaker 1: there is a study from the Journal of the Royal
Speaker 1: Society of Medicine that's not to not too out of date.
Speaker 1: It's from eleven and this study is called simply Alcohol
Speaker 1: and Cholera by Janet S. Guthrie and DARRYL oho Yan.
Speaker 1: The idea is what they did is they used gin.
Speaker 1: So this is not a one to one in comparison
Speaker 1: with the brewery, but they found and cholera did not
Speaker 1: survive more than one hour in any solution that's gin, uh,
Speaker 1: and it survived. Like they go through gin, red wine
Speaker 1: and ethanol and they look at the I guess the
Speaker 1: alcohol percentages in the mixture. So that study is fascinating
Speaker 1: to to read if you are if you want to
Speaker 1: get a little more in the weeds. But there is Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of science to it. And just
Speaker 1: like you said, no, I think we could do an
Speaker 1: entire episode maybe on probiotics. The probiotics are live micro
Speaker 1: organisms that are supposed to, you know, help you when
Speaker 1: you consume them. Do you get they were drinking raw water?
Speaker 1: I haven't. I'm just asking out of curiosity, the same
Speaker 1: as raw milk. Isn't that illegal from like a water cow?
Speaker 1: It's from a manity, I got you, It's just raw water.
Speaker 1: It's uh like I got an older article. I saw
Speaker 1: a daily show a little litt bit about it. But
Speaker 1: I space look just like someone went out to a
Speaker 1: creak and got a bunch of water and now sells
Speaker 1: it for like for a to and a half gallon thing.
Speaker 1: Oh that's weird. Yeah, No, I've I've when I'm like
Speaker 1: living in the wild, or's something I've drank from creeks
Speaker 1: or streams? But would you pay forty dollars for a
Speaker 1: jug of raw water in your part? Wait? Us dollars? Yes?
Speaker 1: How did that change at all? Well? It could have
Speaker 1: been some other kind of currency, you know, it could
Speaker 1: have been it was forty roubles man, sign me up anyhow,
Speaker 1: walk down the street from that joke. This one was
Speaker 1: a blast, and we hope that we hope that you
Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode of Folks. We also hope that you
Speaker 1: take some time to check out some of our earlier
Speaker 1: episodes on London. There's always something weird going on there.
Speaker 1: If you want a particularly grizzly story about London and street,
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