Speaker 1: Welcome to Guys We Fucked. Guys We Guys Book. I'm Christina.
Speaker 1: I'm We're sorry about last night, the Anti SLUCKT Shaming Podcast.
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Speaker 1: Guys We Fucked. It's the Anti slushing Podcast. I'm Karin
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Speaker 1: so you know, hello, um yeah and uh. I went
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Speaker 1: Jackie um and I for about honestly, like fifteen minutes,
Speaker 1: was standing in front of Kendall Jenner and Jaden Smith.
Speaker 1: I wasn't impressed by that, but the general thing I
Speaker 1: was really impressed by. And I looked because I was
Speaker 1: impressed by seeing LCD sound system because I thought they
Speaker 1: said they were tired and then they didn't and yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it was oh man, we got we were in
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Speaker 1: am team Kylie. But she's hot too. I mean they're
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Speaker 1: impressive with Kendall because she hasn't really gotten nearly as
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Speaker 1: earlier when we were talking about Canada, there is a
Speaker 1: we have a recording in Montreal which is tomorrow. If
Speaker 1: you're listening to this day it comes out, it is tomorrow, Saturday, July,
Speaker 1: and there is a fucker who reached out to us.
Speaker 1: Her name is Julia, and she had a date the
Speaker 1: day was her boyfriend. But then she and her boyfriend
Speaker 1: broke up, and now she doesn't have a person to
Speaker 1: go with her, so she has an extra ticket, and
Speaker 1: she preferably was requesting if a cute guy wanted to
Speaker 1: go with her. Yeah, like a date. Yeah, like a date,
Speaker 1: Like guys who fun get get it, give yourself a date.
Speaker 1: And I do want to say, like, if you think
Speaker 1: you're cute, I don't care what society says. Hit of stop. Oh,
Speaker 1: if you think you're cute, then you're cute. I mean
Speaker 1: it's like cutness is on the inside, right, So that's
Speaker 1: not what Kendall Jenner would say. But yeah, it depends. Um,
Speaker 1: so yeah, email us. Just put in the subject line
Speaker 1: like uh, Montreal show, Montreal date or something. You still
Speaker 1: read it because the show one might sound annoying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean if you're a girl and you want
Speaker 1: to go, Like, if nobody emails us, then we don't
Speaker 1: know what the good looks like. So it'sund like a
Speaker 1: reflection on her. Um. But if a guy isn't available
Speaker 1: to go for some reason, then I mean a girl
Speaker 1: emails too, and man, we're great. We should start some
Speaker 1: kind of a matchmaking surface. Oh, I was saying, I've
Speaker 1: been thinking in my head is how we should have
Speaker 1: a dating app? Oh, I was making fun of us.
Speaker 1: I wasn't serious. Um, email, We're gonna read an email
Speaker 1: real quick. Um. The subject of this email is help.
Speaker 1: I just caught my boyfriend jerking off in my car
Speaker 1: and I read that and I was like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: reading this. Hey, guys, I love you both so much.
Speaker 1: Been a fucker since day one. Son, Thank you You
Speaker 1: guys are both in inspiration, and I love that you're
Speaker 1: changing the dialogues and narrative surrounding female sexuality. You to bomb.
Speaker 1: Let's rewind. I work in retail and I hate every
Speaker 1: part of it. This is important to the story, I promise.
Speaker 1: I hate my survival job and I try to find
Speaker 1: any excuse I can to sneak a quick break to
Speaker 1: my car to relax for if only a few minutes
Speaker 1: before I returned back to the luxury retail from hell
Speaker 1: oh girl, I used to lay in the bathroom floor.
Speaker 1: I totally get it. Today my boyfriend had the day
Speaker 1: off and spent it waiting for me. He got he
Speaker 1: got me coffee, and cleaned out my car and got
Speaker 1: me lunch and was just a gem while waiting for
Speaker 1: me to finish my eight hour shift. On days he
Speaker 1: hangs out around my job, I even I find even
Speaker 1: more reasons to go out and say hi. That's where
Speaker 1: this story takes a dirty twist. My feet were killing
Speaker 1: me all day at work and for some um and
Speaker 1: for some new shoes from some new shoes, and I
Speaker 1: had to switch shoes before my feet burst. I waddled
Speaker 1: out to my car when I saw it my boyfriend
Speaker 1: shaking hands with the governor in the open parking lot.
Speaker 1: I watched him for a good fifteen seconds before he
Speaker 1: noticed me and quit and retracted his erect dick back
Speaker 1: in his jersey shorts. I grabbed the shoe us and bolted,
Speaker 1: and he followed me, screaming my name. I pretended not
Speaker 1: to hear him, and now I feel weird. The worst
Speaker 1: part is when I did try to talk to him
Speaker 1: after getting off work, he tried to act like I
Speaker 1: didn't really know what happened, then finally admitted it. I
Speaker 1: grew up in a small college John of Pennsylvania, and
Speaker 1: sexuality is not discussed beyond saving yourself until marriage, which
Speaker 1: is bull. I will admit I was very small minded
Speaker 1: before moving out to Los Angeles, but since traveling around
Speaker 1: the world and a bunch of college shenanigans, I've opened up.
Speaker 1: I understand that sex is just as important as food
Speaker 1: and simply part of being human. I'm now very sex positive,
Speaker 1: and let's just say, I'm not afraid to be kinky
Speaker 1: and proud. But this is just weird to me. When
Speaker 1: I saw him whacking his wank, I didn't see him
Speaker 1: as my boyfriend, but some perv in the parking lot.
Speaker 1: My over reacting and being too conservative. Have you ever
Speaker 1: caught your boot jerking it? If so, how did you
Speaker 1: react and what advice do you have for talking about this?
Speaker 1: I'm so confused. Could this mean he's a sex addict?
Speaker 1: I feel so unattractive to him. I'm embarrassed that I
Speaker 1: caught him. Please please, I need help. I need all
Speaker 1: the device I can get. Love wank watcher. I just
Speaker 1: thought that I was like making fun of weight watchers,
Speaker 1: even she didn't intend that. I did have a time
Speaker 1: I think I talked about on here where it was
Speaker 1: a couple of times where I was in bed sleeping
Speaker 1: and Stephen was downstairs in his office at his computer,
Speaker 1: and or it was the afternoon or evening whatever. I
Speaker 1: came home, Stephen downstairs, and I would I would go down.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to say I didn't do this
Speaker 1: on purpose, just to see if I can catch him. No,
Speaker 1: I did. I snuck down the stairs like a goddamn
Speaker 1: a little mouse, Oh my gosh, because the door was
Speaker 1: closed and I was like hi boo, and he didn't
Speaker 1: say anything, so I was like, what's going on? And uh?
Speaker 1: And I went downstairs and I went to grow open
Speaker 1: the door and it was locked, and I was so
Speaker 1: I was piste off at him, and I was oddly disgusted.
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And no, there's no reason for me to be discussed
Speaker 1: other than travel way way back to when I was
Speaker 1: a young kid. My dad would lock himself in his
Speaker 1: office and ignore. My mom didn't know what the time
Speaker 1: it was because she was my polar and kind of
Speaker 1: nuts at the time, and he would jerk off and
Speaker 1: like lock the door. And I remember his door being locked,
Speaker 1: was like it just gave me like a my heart
Speaker 1: when in my stomach kind of thing when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, because to me, it symbolized something shitty. So
Speaker 1: I got mad at Stephen when I would when I
Speaker 1: would do that, and then I realized, I'm shaming him
Speaker 1: for masturbating. That's really fucking that's not okay. So I
Speaker 1: got mad and then we talked about it. This is
Speaker 1: a little different because it's public parking lot is public
Speaker 1: right in your car? It is? But it's funny you
Speaker 1: can answer this because I was like, I thought this
Speaker 1: email was gonna go in a different direction. Where did
Speaker 1: you think it was going? Well, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just thought it was gonna be like more gross. Like,
Speaker 1: this doesn't gross me out at all. It looks I
Speaker 1: don't think it's in and I also don't think it's
Speaker 1: an appropriate. Well, here's the thing, it's I don't know
Speaker 1: what the legality of drinking, Like if you're in your car,
Speaker 1: I'm not grossed out that he did it, that he
Speaker 1: droked off in his car. Cop saw him. He could
Speaker 1: get in trouble, right right, But like, is that part
Speaker 1: of the fun of it? Maybe she's got touched ourselves
Speaker 1: in weird places? Yeah, where's the weirdest place you've ever masturbated?
Speaker 1: I don't want to say masturbated. I don't think any
Speaker 1: place weird. I only masturbated at home because the other
Speaker 1: other places like gross me out. To be around me,
Speaker 1: I can't get around. I can have fox someone almost
Speaker 1: like anywhere, but I need very like nice circumstances to masturbate.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't. Yeah, I've masturbated a where places
Speaker 1: because I just don't need to. Like, I like, if
Speaker 1: I'm with someone, I'm actually attracted to them and I
Speaker 1: want to suck them like that has to happen pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: But like I've never been like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: have to masterurate. I have just never really happened. Yeah
Speaker 1: I have, but I have, and I get it. I've
Speaker 1: never done it in the car. I might have touched
Speaker 1: myself in a car, but I've never direct I've never
Speaker 1: like masturbated in a car because it takes a little
Speaker 1: bit more acrobatics for me a casion be sitting there. Um.
Speaker 1: But I so I get why she was mad initially
Speaker 1: and saw him as this like gross pervert. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if her roots of her there's like a
Speaker 1: root involved in that. Mine is my dad. But uh,
Speaker 1: maybe I would have thought the same thing at that, didn't.
Speaker 1: It just sounds like a story that you would see
Speaker 1: on the news, like the you know, peee Herman masturbating
Speaker 1: a movie theater or something which just a porn movie theater.
Speaker 1: Like it just seems like something that as a society
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, this is something that only pervs do.
Speaker 1: When I think that probably most of our male listeners
Speaker 1: have masturbated like in their car or someplace weird. I
Speaker 1: mean when I was dating my first boyfriend and he
Speaker 1: lived upstate, New York and I was living in Jersey,
Speaker 1: and like I was in college show, I was either
Speaker 1: in a dorm room or during the summer, we would
Speaker 1: just have to like visit and we like couldn't stay
Speaker 1: at each other's houses, so we we many times went
Speaker 1: to the car in the mall parking lot and had sex. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just a million times. Yeah. I mean I've had sex
Speaker 1: a lot of party lots, so I guess I've done
Speaker 1: just as it's just as unlawful. My problem with this
Speaker 1: email is this, this guy's waited for eight hours in
Speaker 1: a car for when she was at work. I know,
Speaker 1: I know something. I don't think, well, think what I
Speaker 1: was reading. I'm like the fun house. Is he gonna
Speaker 1: do like organize your glove compartment? I would masturbate too,
Speaker 1: because I mensured me when I bored. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. You gotta talk to him about it. I'm
Speaker 1: just curious. I want to talk to him about it.
Speaker 1: I just want to be like, you want to do it?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have any ill like, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to catch him admitting something or anything. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's wrong. I'm just like, why what made you
Speaker 1: want to do that? And if he said I was bored?
Speaker 1: But damn make sense? Yeah, I mean like for me,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even like feel that. I just for me.
Speaker 1: It's like I don't think that any if he was
Speaker 1: masterbating and like looking at something, was he I don't know,
Speaker 1: but if you just mastered me in the car, like
Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't getting cautious if he if she
Speaker 1: was being watched for like, if she saw him masturbating,
Speaker 1: she had to be like pretty close to the car
Speaker 1: for fifteen seconds. That means he wasn't doing it like
Speaker 1: hoping no one found you. The only reason I would
Speaker 1: say anything is because that's her job and she could
Speaker 1: get in trouble and her boyfriend. Yeah, isn't my car
Speaker 1: getting fun out? I wouldn't care about that. But like, uh,
Speaker 1: but I mean like yeah, I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: just not. I don't know. I wouldn't want someone to
Speaker 1: discuss my masturbation with me. It feels like apparent triod
Speaker 1: conversation rather than a partner conference. But if it's in
Speaker 1: your car, if that bothers her, doesn't bother me, right
Speaker 1: right right? Yeah? If if that bothers you, sure, I
Speaker 1: mean I would he come on upholstery. I have so
Speaker 1: many questions. I'm like, well, does he live with his parents?
Speaker 1: Does he share a bedroom? Does he? I mean, there's
Speaker 1: just so many hours and he was fucking bored. Is
Speaker 1: he in the car for the full light hour? I
Speaker 1: mean she she was. He was like went to get
Speaker 1: her lunch and stuff. He was only doing things that
Speaker 1: were like car related. She just hang out in the
Speaker 1: mall cafeteria. Maybe wanted to hang out the car so
Speaker 1: we jerk off. Yeah, yeah, I don't think this is
Speaker 1: indicative of anything bigger other than like, yeah, what else
Speaker 1: am I gonna do? Yeah, I don't think your boyfriend's person.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything like you should be alarmed
Speaker 1: about or I mean, I could understand kind of being
Speaker 1: like that's weird, okay, okay, but doing it's totally fine.
Speaker 1: He I mean, he just has to be careful, especially
Speaker 1: just as a man in society. Can't be whipping out
Speaker 1: your tick anymore just because you could get in trouble
Speaker 1: and that's like an embarrassing thing to get in trouble for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I hope you are in Like, it
Speaker 1: wasn't a crowded day at the mall, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people were in school, so that like there wasn't
Speaker 1: a lot of cars. You probably parked me back. You
Speaker 1: don't want to keep kid to see that, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because that could put you down a whole of the
Speaker 1: rabbit hole that you did not intend get a part of,
Speaker 1: and then you gotta tell all your neighbors every time.
Speaker 1: But what aren't smart a lot with masturbation or peing?
Speaker 1: Just yeah, then you know, I don't know logic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys peeing at the Panorama Festival.
Speaker 1: As I was walking back and I was like, if
Speaker 1: you only know that, technically you couldn't you have risk
Speaker 1: for getting put on the sexual fenses list, which just
Speaker 1: yar day the fence, which is stupid. You're just peeing.
Speaker 1: You're lucky enough to have a hose. Yeah you can
Speaker 1: aim it, that's true. Yeah. I mean I would be like,
Speaker 1: why was you jerking off in my car? And that's
Speaker 1: all You're a little more curious, I think, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just want to know why it could be reported. It
Speaker 1: could be because cars turned them on. I get sexually
Speaker 1: roused by cars. I like hot summer days. I got
Speaker 1: very horny. So if I was sitting in a car,
Speaker 1: I probably like, oh mom, Mom, I'm gonna masturbate in
Speaker 1: this car indeed. Um, So that's it right, this is
Speaker 1: so we're gonna go straight into our interview. It's a
Speaker 1: long one. There's hot ups, there's downs, there's some yelling,
Speaker 1: but some silences. Yeah, I think it. I think we
Speaker 1: we worked through some ship on this episode. Our guest
Speaker 1: today is a comedian um and he runs some great
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Speaker 1: Some feathers decided to talk to him. He's give it
Speaker 1: up for j C. Bass. Every woman that I'm meat
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Speaker 1: This that's not how you want to be there, but
Speaker 1: that's how it came out. It's you can call me whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean. You know, jac knows best is the whole
Speaker 1: branding thing that's for marketing and stuff. But that's silly
Speaker 1: when people ask me, I do you want me to
Speaker 1: introduce you? Jac knows best, Like that's not a thing. Well,
Speaker 1: it's done a thing. But do you know best? I
Speaker 1: believe I do, man, I believe I do because I've
Speaker 1: I've gotten my ass kicks so much that I can
Speaker 1: only be honest. Oh that's great. Oh I love people
Speaker 1: who have gotten ask kicked out of life or like
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Speaker 1: know the school of hard knocks, you know. Yeah? Oh no, Jason,
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Speaker 1: I'm the worst of everyone. I'm the worst. How are
Speaker 1: you the worst? We're all pieces of ship. That's like
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Speaker 1: shame each other's for being because everyone's a piece of ship.
Speaker 1: If I'm shaming me, I'm shaming all y'all know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying that what's up? So look at you spinning
Speaker 1: a little bit as well? Christina knows best? There you go,
Speaker 1: Oh that I got a big name, So what's up?
Speaker 1: Not much? Men, I can tell you the fancy one dude,
Speaker 1: Just like between you and Karine, there's a there's differences
Speaker 1: there for sure between our personalities. Well just the fact,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know we're here directly in the city.
Speaker 1: I dropped Karin off. Where was that Kartown? What does
Speaker 1: this have to do with anything? You're just avoiding. He's
Speaker 1: calling you fancy because you don't live in Harlem. Wait
Speaker 1: to see my new Apartment's gonna eat those fucking words.
Speaker 1: You Dumbaska annoyed and Karin is the cunt right like that, Karrin.
Speaker 1: Karin is the one says I have problems more than
Speaker 1: someone who sits down and tries to pick apart your problem. No,
Speaker 1: I just saying. I'm just saying you guys are different.
Speaker 1: You're completely hostile up front. Yeah, we're we are different,
Speaker 1: and that's the magic will storry about last night? If
Speaker 1: we were exactly the same, this would be the dumbest
Speaker 1: podcast of the boring. I get it. I'm not. Hey,
Speaker 1: this is a one bedroom that I turned into with
Speaker 1: three bedrooms. I think this Thank you. This red wall
Speaker 1: was painted by male models. That's not a lie. Where
Speaker 1: the nude No, but I saw them nude after and
Speaker 1: they also saw them putting their penis in my Vagina. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: so how old are you? Old? Thirty two years old?
Speaker 1: Now when I met you, I met you doing shows
Speaker 1: and like the Bronx or Upstate or Frank, I think
Speaker 1: it was like west Chester, Yeah, Westchester area. And then
Speaker 1: you have like the whole your crew of comedians that
Speaker 1: you hang in do shows with, like Frank Pellegrino who
Speaker 1: books a lot of great Frank don't really interact too
Speaker 1: much anymore, but at that time. Now you moved. Now
Speaker 1: you do a lot of shows in New York. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: so tell us about your upbringing. Let's let's well, in
Speaker 1: terms of comedy, just just know you as a person,
Speaker 1: like he's not comedy. So you have a religious upbringing, absolutely,
Speaker 1: let's talk about absolutely. So before this whole thing started,
Speaker 1: I grew up a very very religious, nondominational Christian and
Speaker 1: uh so there is no domination I could speak of
Speaker 1: Baptist or anything like that. And uh in terms of
Speaker 1: traditional we believed in the entire Bible, Old Testament, New Testament,
Speaker 1: not just the red words. Don't they contradict the Old
Speaker 1: Testament New Testament. I've never read themselves. Really. In the Christianity,
Speaker 1: you know that the New Testament is just a fulfillment
Speaker 1: of the Old Testament. So it gets really that it
Speaker 1: was like to be continued, and then some people continued
Speaker 1: and some people didn't like my people make like jokes
Speaker 1: like the Jews just stopped too early, like we just
Speaker 1: stopped freeing the boble like l O L. And that's
Speaker 1: when Jesus came along and fulfilled all that lamb ships.
Speaker 1: So when you're making sacrifice, is and all of those
Speaker 1: things that you read about an exodus and the tour
Speaker 1: and all that, Jesus is the fulfillment of that. That's
Speaker 1: why we don't have to make physical sacrifices anymore. So wait,
Speaker 1: you've read the whole Bible and all the testaments, Okay,
Speaker 1: and you and you you, so I'm assuming he went
Speaker 1: as a kid, you went to church a lot, right,
Speaker 1: went to church every week, not on Sunday on Saturday.
Speaker 1: We're Sabbatarians, because again, if you're a real Christian, you
Speaker 1: know that the seventh day is is Saturday. If you're
Speaker 1: a real Christian, you got a church on Saturday when
Speaker 1: everyone's in the club. All these Sunday motherfucker's is unbelievable. Completely.
Speaker 1: Those are people who are phoning it. Anytime you meet
Speaker 1: someone who is religious and does their religious thing on Saturday,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be available a lot. Yeah, Christmas, all
Speaker 1: this Easter bullshit. This is trash. This is man made.
Speaker 1: But I loved Easter because I wore cute dresses and
Speaker 1: found egg Of course cute is a cute, most adorable
Speaker 1: fraud ever. But it's trash. So Jesus Jesus didn't back
Speaker 1: from the dead and was like, sure it. Passover is
Speaker 1: a more accurate understanding of Jesus's death. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: it's so not fun. Pass Over a somber. We know
Speaker 1: how to do it, just around the table, criticize each other.
Speaker 1: We were actually the hunger. Oh you well, I mean
Speaker 1: you're you're keeping kosher, which for Passover, which I equate
Speaker 1: with being hungry because things should not be made out
Speaker 1: of potato starch. And also, I mean the constipation is unreal.
Speaker 1: This is why identified with Karenna, you know, because of
Speaker 1: that darkness. It's in the soul, like a tell from
Speaker 1: the time I met her, like a rose battle. You mean,
Speaker 1: not just she's just a dark human being and is she?
Speaker 1: Oh thanks for clearing that up. By what do you
Speaker 1: think about Karina is dark so lost? She just j
Speaker 1: C stands for Jesus Christ. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: knew that. Wow, I just put that together. No. But but
Speaker 1: but but your real so and and that's just so.
Speaker 1: Did you do all of the Holy days? Yan kapoor?
Speaker 1: And no, No, I'm not really, I'm not super religious.
Speaker 1: I know a lot about Judaism because I was like,
Speaker 1: maybe I should have some connection to something because I'm
Speaker 1: such a mutt. So I was. You know, I took
Speaker 1: it upon myself for twelve years to stay kosher for Passover,
Speaker 1: for the period of Passover, which just drove my mom
Speaker 1: crazy because it's so annoying because like, revamp your whole
Speaker 1: diet that sandwich, mom. Yeah, And I was like, I
Speaker 1: can't eat this. I can't eat that. I mean, and
Speaker 1: you know, I went on Birthright and I read up
Speaker 1: on stuff. But I mean, I'm not I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not religious at all period. And I mean when I
Speaker 1: was like real young, I was going to a Methodist
Speaker 1: church with my mom and like prayed right like the
Speaker 1: first and pray, but forget religion. Do you believe in God? No? Oh? No?
Speaker 1: So okay, that's interesting yeah, no, And I mean there
Speaker 1: was a time when I certainly did, but I think
Speaker 1: around like high school, I had this really great humanities
Speaker 1: teacher and I just learned a lot that year, and
Speaker 1: it was just to me, it was like it's like
Speaker 1: when you're a jury, and it's like, you know, you
Speaker 1: must prove beyond a reasonable doubt. And for me, there's
Speaker 1: too much reasonable doubt in my mind that God does
Speaker 1: not exist for me to believe. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: it's I don't think it's fair for me to waste
Speaker 1: God's time when there's other people who believe in them
Speaker 1: so much. It's not like I think it's crazy that
Speaker 1: anyone believes in God. I don't. That's your individual belief
Speaker 1: and then other people have theirs and that's okay, right,
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I'm curious. It's you know, yeah, that's no,
Speaker 1: that's what it was. I don't think it's crazy, but
Speaker 1: it's just not. I just try to be a good
Speaker 1: person with just for the hell of it, you know,
Speaker 1: for ships and get I assume you believe in God,
Speaker 1: I would call myself as spiritual, and you know, God,
Speaker 1: like who cares what we call it? Something is out there, right,
Speaker 1: and that's so general, you know, like I'm being so general,
Speaker 1: but agnostic though no one knows anything. Agnostic is like
Speaker 1: you don't know either way, right, but you feel like
Speaker 1: there is something and you think there is something. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: agnostics is you're not You're the only person to define
Speaker 1: it that way. In history, I don't know, I don't definitions.
Speaker 1: So so when you grew up, like where, like what
Speaker 1: were your parents, what did they what were your your
Speaker 1: relationship with your parents, how they religion on. You had
Speaker 1: a father in the home, which is awesome, you know
Speaker 1: to have a black father at home and black mother
Speaker 1: and well he's Dominican, so samous. But you know they
Speaker 1: were very strict traditionalists. So just from the Dominican background
Speaker 1: and this religion, we took it very serious from the
Speaker 1: time you know that I was born. Did they yell
Speaker 1: at you if you're like goddamn it or oh my god,
Speaker 1: like none of that. So the notion of you know,
Speaker 1: being alone with girls, you know, saying curse words, working
Speaker 1: on the Sabbath was all bad. It's not even it's something,
Speaker 1: it's just no. It's like it's like we could have
Speaker 1: been Hasidic black people, right right, right, right, without the curls.
Speaker 1: This is what it was. Did you like it? That's
Speaker 1: all I knew. Yeah, I was gonna say, how can
Speaker 1: you form much of opinion other than just looking back
Speaker 1: at it during the time you're like, this is how
Speaker 1: life works. This is a group it's called the Church
Speaker 1: of God is if you were to google them out today.
Speaker 1: But they believe they are the direct offspring of the
Speaker 1: original Apostolic Church, which is the first generation of congruence
Speaker 1: or whatever after Jesus passed or that whole period. So
Speaker 1: we are yeah, we like, we know, you know, we know.
Speaker 1: I know what I'm talking frustrating though, because no one
Speaker 1: really knows what they're talking about. With every five of
Speaker 1: my being, I believe this ship that learned when I
Speaker 1: was younger. I mean, I have my beliefs and in
Speaker 1: terms of the way the world works and whatever I
Speaker 1: refer I guess most people say God, I think of
Speaker 1: like the universe or something. I do think there's something
Speaker 1: I just don't know what. That's the white girl's explanation
Speaker 1: of that type of thing. Yeah, talking and like, but
Speaker 1: that's not but I use that as a way to
Speaker 1: guide my life and my morals, and like just something
Speaker 1: to keep myself in check, because that's to me, is
Speaker 1: how I want to use religion, I guess or spirituality
Speaker 1: that I think they kind of go hand in hand.
Speaker 1: I think that's amazing. Um, but yeah, everyone has their
Speaker 1: own take on it. Did they with dating? Did you
Speaker 1: ever even get a chance to date? Within the church?
Speaker 1: It was predominantly white church. Okay, so again this is
Speaker 1: not like Pentecostal or some Baptists. Southern Negro said, this
Speaker 1: is like predominantly white people. I grew up, Oh man,
Speaker 1: damn that church to oh I went to a black
Speaker 1: church and I was like what the I went once
Speaker 1: my friends took me and I was like, this is
Speaker 1: the best thing. I would have gone to church, but
Speaker 1: I known it could be this amazing Black church is
Speaker 1: like going to the club. It was, yeah, but but
Speaker 1: now it's white people. Church were quiet. You got your notebooks,
Speaker 1: how you taken notes? You're reading the Bible. We studied
Speaker 1: the Bible, like studied it like like like there's scriptures
Speaker 1: that talk about lyne upon line priests at the pump
Speaker 1: priests that this means you have to know every word
Speaker 1: of the Bible so you can understand what things mean
Speaker 1: and all that so yeah, so anyway, that's what it was.
Speaker 1: And I grew up like that and I would date,
Speaker 1: you know, the little couple of black people that were
Speaker 1: in the church because there was interracial relationships were not
Speaker 1: allowed either, We're not allowed upon No, God did not
Speaker 1: ordain for races to be mixing. Now do you still
Speaker 1: feel that way today? I do not feel that way today.
Speaker 1: Now have you got any white put your day? Absolutely? Yeah? Okay, good,
Speaker 1: get get to expand so so uh, I'm sure we'll
Speaker 1: get to that. So yeah, dating, you know not so
Speaker 1: you know, it was like church camp and it was
Speaker 1: like how are you reading your Bible? And that was
Speaker 1: the life That's so interesting when who was it during
Speaker 1: interpreting a verse in the Bible that it was just
Speaker 1: blatantly laid out for you that you could only date
Speaker 1: people within your race? Or did you try? And then
Speaker 1: in that umbro great question, So into that umbrella you
Speaker 1: just kind of there's this thing within the church hierarchy
Speaker 1: that at the end of the day, when there's a
Speaker 1: disagreement with scriptures, you have to submit to the leader,
Speaker 1: the church leadership. Okay, like Jesus democracy like nice, yeah,
Speaker 1: but no one voted. It was just the higher upset
Speaker 1: yes or the top down leadership is what it is.
Speaker 1: So the church listens to what the final word is
Speaker 1: on these issues and you go with it and they're
Speaker 1: just like yep, okay. And that stands for everything. That
Speaker 1: stands for sexuality, that stands for interracial relationships, that anything
Speaker 1: you can think of. The church has the final say.
Speaker 1: I mean it's right there in the Bible. If you
Speaker 1: have a relationship with God and you know you'll agree
Speaker 1: with us, but you know, bottom line is yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what that's my permine problem with religion. If you have
Speaker 1: a relationship to God, then you'll agree with us. That
Speaker 1: that that cockiness of like I am right, everyone else
Speaker 1: is wrong, and also the desire to make sure that
Speaker 1: whoever is wrong knows they're wrong. Like that's that's my main.
Speaker 1: So that's not they're not evil. What they're doing is
Speaker 1: their job. You're supposed to be a witness to the
Speaker 1: things that God has shown you. This is you know
Speaker 1: ee Ezekiel thirty three. If you don't witness to people, uh,
Speaker 1: then you're not you know, you're not following. You know,
Speaker 1: God wants you to be a witness. Now they're gonna
Speaker 1: do whatever they want to do that, but you have
Speaker 1: to fucking tell them about themselves. Oh that's why people
Speaker 1: come up to me in fucking Union Square and yelling
Speaker 1: that's not every religion though, that's like, that's like such
Speaker 1: a such a Christian stirring. And then I mean also
Speaker 1: Jehovah's witnesses do it too, but I mean like Jews,
Speaker 1: like we're trying to keep it a secret. We're like
Speaker 1: anyone in secret. It's a society. If you want to join,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make it very difficult for you. There is
Speaker 1: nothing more that I that really sparks my temper. Then
Speaker 1: someone telling me what to do with my life in
Speaker 1: terms of like someone from a religious background that I
Speaker 1: don't I'm not from telling me that what I'm doing
Speaker 1: is wrong, Like, fuck you. If praying works so much,
Speaker 1: go pray that I change, because I'm not and surprised
Speaker 1: it doesn't. I don't get agitated because I get where
Speaker 1: they're coming from. It's a good listening your perspective. Just
Speaker 1: yesterday took me off guard. I'm in the subway and
Speaker 1: is this guy and he's a handsome guy, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's he's in the subway and his motherfucker is
Speaker 1: looking at me and I'm like, oh man, not this again,
Speaker 1: and he's he's just he's staring at me, making eye contact,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, ship, what's happening. And finally we
Speaker 1: started talking talks about my shirt because it was a
Speaker 1: mud running, fucking raise yeah, yeah, jaws of a conversation.
Speaker 1: And two minutes into he's talking about his church and
Speaker 1: he and he's like, you know, three or four minutes
Speaker 1: in it's a conversation, he's inviting me to a service,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about it, and I'm like, well, that
Speaker 1: was smooth. Does this happen to you a lot? I mean,
Speaker 1: it happens, you know in New York. Guys make eye
Speaker 1: contact us like the yeah, I stopped doing that. Current
Speaker 1: told me to stop making eye contact. And now I
Speaker 1: don't have his awkward interactions with strangers that I used to.
Speaker 1: I make eye It's a natural thing, and is sometimes
Speaker 1: you get some bad apples. Yeah, but yeah, so listen
Speaker 1: he would. I don't think he was a bad guy.
Speaker 1: He was such a good guy. But then he started
Speaker 1: throwing scripture and I was like, I'm on the subway, like,
Speaker 1: what's I'm gonna tell? Yeah? Yeah, please beat it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: been there, done that. So what led you to want
Speaker 1: to become a priest? A priest? Right? This is what
Speaker 1: I thought this preacher, I was never a preacher. Was
Speaker 1: a salary ministerial trainee, so I was in a theology program,
Speaker 1: and um, I was literally moving up the ranks of
Speaker 1: becoming a you know, a member of church leadership clergy.
Speaker 1: I guess is what you would say were your parents
Speaker 1: amped mother was? Mom was like, yeah, hadn't fucked up
Speaker 1: with five other bitches because I don't have any brothers,
Speaker 1: just five women crazy? And uh, she wanted a mail
Speaker 1: my mom. Don't you know women like that? And she
Speaker 1: she wanted, mom, don't fuck with her daughters? Is that
Speaker 1: what just said? Or was she an anti woman woman?
Speaker 1: My grandmama was like that. My mom was just like
Speaker 1: the type of she don't funk with women because women
Speaker 1: play too many games women her children? What games are
Speaker 1: they playing Monopoly with you? Trouble? You know? This is
Speaker 1: my mom relaxed. This is so interesting because this is
Speaker 1: my think class of women who said I think less
Speaker 1: of women. The email that you sent up, I didn't
Speaker 1: send you an email that sit up out of hand.
Speaker 1: And we've gotten pats asolutely correct, don't switch the words,
Speaker 1: say exactly what it is. Please don't talk down to
Speaker 1: me on my own podcast. I will annihilate you publicly,
Speaker 1: I promise. Please, A man is talking. Just just relax
Speaker 1: and listen to Oh God, man who sucks sticks? Christina?
Speaker 1: Why does that make me less of a man? Now?
Speaker 1: Now you're a feminist, you're homophobic feminist? My point is,
Speaker 1: what the exactly what is that? What is that? What
Speaker 1: is being a man means? Like a man is chalking?
Speaker 1: What the funk? I suck a dick too? It was
Speaker 1: a joke and you need not jo No, it is
Speaker 1: a joke. And when you get and when you get
Speaker 1: that uptight about stuff like that, it makes me down
Speaker 1: to people, and you're like very ignorant. First off, you
Speaker 1: hate yourself too. On top of that, first off, I
Speaker 1: am not talking down to people. I've given you no,
Speaker 1: I have given you no demonstration that I hate myself.
Speaker 1: Right now, what do you what if it does back?
Speaker 1: This is backlog that I have. What is your back
Speaker 1: look from the conversations we've had, Are you pretending that
Speaker 1: we haven't had conversations? More that we don't know each
Speaker 1: other in real life. We're getting into this. We're not
Speaker 1: going to have a fight right out. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: into this. We're gonna get into this. I love the tension,
Speaker 1: I really do, and I appreciate and I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: But if if you had an issue with me, which
Speaker 1: you clearly do, you should have said you should have
Speaker 1: said to me prior to have an issue with you,
Speaker 1: we have an issue with you know you're gonna come
Speaker 1: down like this is I truly know best everything, just
Speaker 1: you have to have a conversation that yet have I
Speaker 1: done that? You know? That's why I keep moving forward
Speaker 1: with the fucking story I have. I could have just
Speaker 1: just go because I'm not good. I don't want to
Speaker 1: keep that. I feel fantastic. I feel really good. You know,
Speaker 1: no one cares. I just feel good. I think you know,
Speaker 1: it just sounds like you're a miserable bit and it's sad.
Speaker 1: It's really sad that. I don't know if you know
Speaker 1: you're not getting dick, but this is so unfortunate now,
Speaker 1: you you know, I hate, I hate to come down
Speaker 1: to this level. But's know, you were coming to do
Speaker 1: a performance today. I thought you were actually actually talking
Speaker 1: before you interrupted we're asking you questions. You're on a
Speaker 1: fucking podcast. You're not giving a monologue. Jac No one
Speaker 1: was giving a monologue. No one was not. I have
Speaker 1: been coming completely well, thanks for listening. No, no, no, real,
Speaker 1: I have not done anything. I know you in real life,
Speaker 1: and we know we've got past that. You don't know
Speaker 1: funk about me. Then you've been Then you lied in
Speaker 1: the past several conversations we've had. I felt we got
Speaker 1: past this nonsense, and we did it on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Let me, let me, let me try not even making
Speaker 1: eye contact when you said a man is talking, I
Speaker 1: knew you were joking. But and then when you said
Speaker 1: you know best, you said that that's because you don't
Speaker 1: know best. But why where are you? But what am
Speaker 1: I missing? Then there's obviously some some some tension and resentment.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad that we that I'm glad that we
Speaker 1: can get through it now because whatever you thought we
Speaker 1: were through, we clearly aren't because for what is I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't have a deep relationship. Don't throw anything. It's
Speaker 1: just it's irritating to me for you to come, for
Speaker 1: you to be very vulnerable and open and say I
Speaker 1: want to do this podcast and talk about real ship
Speaker 1: and then go back to the person who you were
Speaker 1: when we first met you, when we did Chrissie Mayor's
Speaker 1: radio show, when you were just complete, It was just
Speaker 1: complete bullshit, you with a facade hiding who you really are. Okay,
Speaker 1: have I done anything right now in the past forty
Speaker 1: five minutes or however long we've been talking to show
Speaker 1: to God, it feels like much. Indeed, have have I
Speaker 1: done anything to show that I'm being fake right now?
Speaker 1: I don't think you have to, But don't you know him?
Speaker 1: Because right now, answer the question am I being fake?
Speaker 1: Right now? Based on the previous conversations we've had, were
Speaker 1: you agreed to do this podcast? Absolutely? Do you agree
Speaker 1: to do? First off, you found a story. You you
Speaker 1: saw me at a stupid fucking bar show Open Mike,
Speaker 1: and you saw me tell a story about reparative therapy
Speaker 1: that you thought was interesting, and the conversation went from there.
Speaker 1: I was as vulnerable on stage as I was on
Speaker 1: the car right after as I am being now. So
Speaker 1: whatever this, whatever you're talking about, you keep going to
Speaker 1: these things about telling me about me. This whole this
Speaker 1: podcast for years has been about me and Christina and
Speaker 1: all the ship we're going through. That's not what we're
Speaker 1: doing right now. We want to learn about you. Stop
Speaker 1: looking at me like that. I'm going to hit you. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm making I I so now I can't. I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm a member is Let's just go on with
Speaker 1: the story. I can't not look at you. Then I
Speaker 1: look at you. Jesus Christ, let's go on with the
Speaker 1: story where they are Okay, anything I do, I'm doing
Speaker 1: because you're black. I'm gonna hit you because you're fucking annoying.
Speaker 1: That's that's great. Aggressive. I like that. I don't know
Speaker 1: what just happened. I don't know. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm confused. Let's I forget what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Your mom was happy that you were becoming a preacher,
Speaker 1: So I thought this was my calling at this point
Speaker 1: in life. You know, this is what it was. I
Speaker 1: thought that that's what God wanted me to do. So
Speaker 1: I'm going through it because everyone is telling me this
Speaker 1: is what you should do, you should be a preacher.
Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, everyone was supporting you and that I
Speaker 1: got a good person. It's kind of the ideal, like
Speaker 1: a member of my church. Wants to become a preacher, Like, yes,
Speaker 1: did I want to know? I don't know about that,
Speaker 1: but or well you said you did. You got a
Speaker 1: great personality you uh, you know you're you're a good person.
Speaker 1: You connect well with people of all ages. You should
Speaker 1: do this. You hear that enough and you think, all right,
Speaker 1: this is what God wants me to do. That's a
Speaker 1: good point. Yeah, when people say you're good at something,
Speaker 1: even if you don't necessarily want to be doing it,
Speaker 1: it feels so great to be good at something that
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, we'll do that, and then everyone's like yeah,
Speaker 1: Jasey and you're like, okay, I guess this is good
Speaker 1: even though you know you when did you realize that
Speaker 1: you didn't want to or you can kind of realize
Speaker 1: the whole time? Did you feel like you were leading
Speaker 1: everybody on and you had to follow up with it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean you basically covered it just there. That's exactly
Speaker 1: what it is. I actually went and got hired by
Speaker 1: the church full time, and uh, I was a salary. Remember,
Speaker 1: the only thing that was missing was a wife. And
Speaker 1: you know, I had been friends with a good friend
Speaker 1: of mine since fourteen. At one of those church camps,
Speaker 1: one of the black ones, you know, black church. It's
Speaker 1: probably way more fun than no. No, it was just
Speaker 1: it was the white church. But I found the black
Speaker 1: girl in a church yet, just one, very sprinkly. There's
Speaker 1: not a lot of us. How does it feel to
Speaker 1: be you know? That was one of the very few
Speaker 1: black people's color. You know that was great because it
Speaker 1: wasn't like Howard racism. It was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is the way it is, is whites with white splack.
Speaker 1: It just happened. It was like six blacks, you know,
Speaker 1: in a region, guys like each other because hopefully, Oh
Speaker 1: it was great. It was great. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you dance with white girls and get a boner, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's like, oh man, because I'm not supposed to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is I'm sure a lot of the
Speaker 1: white girls are like sexy. You can't, Tina, come on,
Speaker 1: everybody wanted to brown d Yeah, yeah, it's different. Who's
Speaker 1: represents some different Let's go ahead. You've been with you
Speaker 1: know you guys probably done with black guys. Not a
Speaker 1: black guy, which I've made, but with black guys, I've
Speaker 1: gotten very close, but I've never so you're Dominican guy. Yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: he was amazing. I loved him. I mean it didn't
Speaker 1: work out because did he fall in love with you,
Speaker 1: like in the first two weeks of you guys being together. No,
Speaker 1: he was already in love with someone else. And then
Speaker 1: I came along and I was like, it's like you
Speaker 1: kind of came at a bad time. Yeah, real Dominican
Speaker 1: Like okay, so yeah, so that's what it was. So
Speaker 1: finally I ended up, you know, just pulling this. We
Speaker 1: did fall in love. I did love this girl. I did. Um.
Speaker 1: But how lucky though, because one of the few black
Speaker 1: women that I mean, weren't you kind of in your
Speaker 1: head like yes, because obviously you can't force anybody to
Speaker 1: fall in love. So it just so happened that this
Speaker 1: woman seems great and it could happen. She was my
Speaker 1: best friend, you know, that's awesome, very sexually attracted to
Speaker 1: were Um, I thought we were supposed to be together,
Speaker 1: you know, but listen, we're not having sex, you know,
Speaker 1: because that's against the thing. When I met her at fourteen,
Speaker 1: where I'm twenty two, when I get I think three,
Speaker 1: when I get hired by the church and we get
Speaker 1: married at twenty four. So you know, it's right around
Speaker 1: that time, like early twenties, when I'm like really starting
Speaker 1: to like sweat, like is this what I want to
Speaker 1: do with my life? And at this point it's a whirlwind.
Speaker 1: Don't you're already deep? Bro, I'm fucking engaged to be married,
Speaker 1: I'm about to be ordained and become an actual preacher
Speaker 1: of the church. And what's going through your head? What
Speaker 1: the funk am I doing right now? And why? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I understand exactly why you didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: You went along with it, but like it was like
Speaker 1: a snowball. It was like, you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: that I'm so speak doing this, but I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: go with it because yeah, you know, everyone in your family,
Speaker 1: your friends, everyone at the church is kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they know your life path or they know what's about
Speaker 1: to happen to you. And you're like, but that's not
Speaker 1: what I want. And there's some piece of it. And
Speaker 1: just like I am today, I was a piece of
Speaker 1: ship back then, it was just inside so I wasn't
Speaker 1: doing I wasn't acting on my piece of sitness, but
Speaker 1: it was in there. What do you mean act? Okay?
Speaker 1: So like I'm religious, married, you know whatever, and I'm
Speaker 1: watching porn, you know, which is a huge no no
Speaker 1: now to you guys again you're coming from it from
Speaker 1: a perspective. Yeah, yeah, So I'm watching porn as a
Speaker 1: religious there's a clergyman too, you're bugging, and then that
Speaker 1: goes into like bisexual porn, and then that gets into
Speaker 1: the gay porn. I really do think as I got
Speaker 1: more stressed, I got gay. It is. It was really
Speaker 1: fucking weird, you know. It was just I would get like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I shouldn't do this, you know, let me
Speaker 1: go ahead and buying buying. I'm going to fucking actual
Speaker 1: stores video, getting the DVDs, buying like a fifty sixty
Speaker 1: dollar DVD for a quart like that is it's like
Speaker 1: forty fifty. I got numbers in my mind. I'm paying
Speaker 1: up the six ninety nine for some of this year,
Speaker 1: go to a far off town to buy it. This
Speaker 1: I was in. I remember being in all a couple
Speaker 1: of different places. Jersey. Uh. I'd be in Jersey, uh,
Speaker 1: staying with parents and there was like a porn star
Speaker 1: right over there. And then in Albany when I finally
Speaker 1: moved to Albany with my wife. There was like a
Speaker 1: little porn star porn store, porn store right over there,
Speaker 1: there was one star, and I was buying the fucking
Speaker 1: DVDs and then you know, jerking off and then throwing
Speaker 1: them away, and then and then my three or four
Speaker 1: or five days going to and again, oh no, you
Speaker 1: didn't throwing them away and like a dumpster on the street.
Speaker 1: And then I get the itch again, and then you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just paying. I'm like paying hundreds of dollars for
Speaker 1: porn like some black market. Now, now was the porn?
Speaker 1: What kind of So was straight porn, gay porn, buy porn,
Speaker 1: all the kinds of porn. The shitty porn was the
Speaker 1: the bisexual and the gay porn. The ship So that
Speaker 1: when you say your shittiness was a thing, I didn't
Speaker 1: mind why regular strate plooring on the computers at home.
Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, really, come on, my guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then when I started, you know, well, that's because
Speaker 1: when I remember when Karin did have a conversation with
Speaker 1: you a long time ago, she saw you at the
Speaker 1: mike um and she had told me about it. Later on,
Speaker 1: I was like, about your bisexuality, I don't know, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to label it as or like your interest
Speaker 1: in sometimes Megan dudes, I was like, really, I was
Speaker 1: shocked because but I think one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: I was shocked is do you do And maybe that's
Speaker 1: what Karna were alluding to have like the persona you
Speaker 1: put on, you just put on a almost like a
Speaker 1: makeup for something macho nous. A little some of it
Speaker 1: was fake and some of it was like you would
Speaker 1: be insulting, and I knew that's not really what you
Speaker 1: wanted to say. I don't know, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: guess fake is a word. But when I think of fake,
Speaker 1: I think of a girl being like, Wow, I really
Speaker 1: love your shirt. Like that's what I think of what
Speaker 1: I think of fake. So I think it is a fakeness.
Speaker 1: I guess. I think it's a good time to explain.
Speaker 1: So this is really good because a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't understand some jokes and the bits and ship like
Speaker 1: that satire is supposed to hurt. I don't believe in
Speaker 1: like loose satire. It's supposed to hurt, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? The idea that that Trump could get as
Speaker 1: far as he's getting and people not even recognize just
Speaker 1: like the complete like, this is an incredible situation, so
Speaker 1: you have to take it down with like as as
Speaker 1: as aggressive and disgusting as satire as you can. And
Speaker 1: sometimes that that means the people that I'm trying to
Speaker 1: talk on behalf of get shipped on. That doesn't mean
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on It doesn't mean I you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just like joke women or black people or you know,
Speaker 1: gay people. There's a difference between jokes and like outright
Speaker 1: hate speech though, And I mean I think it was
Speaker 1: who said it was like someone amazing, like Joan Revers.
Speaker 1: Someone said that, you know, with every joke, someone is
Speaker 1: the butt of that joke of So that's you know,
Speaker 1: And so people who say, like, oh, you can't tell
Speaker 1: a joke about blind people, my son is line. Shut up,
Speaker 1: don't go to wel comony show. That's ridiculous. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, what kind of things are you saying that
Speaker 1: people are reacting? So, you know, it would be nice,
Speaker 1: it would be nice of video if we could see
Speaker 1: more videos of white people being shot. Oh, I remember
Speaker 1: that joke you did that you told at the standing room.
Speaker 1: I think you know a lot of people got uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you know, this is not you know, listen,
Speaker 1: if you're going to say all lives matter, it would
Speaker 1: be nice if we could see some evidence that we're
Speaker 1: all in this together. Absolutely, I try to. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's uh the thought of that makes people uncomfortable. Do
Speaker 1: I really actually want to see white people die in
Speaker 1: the streets? No? Honestly though, even if you secretly did,
Speaker 1: because of everything that's happening and what we've said, what
Speaker 1: the what the media shows us, and all these horrible
Speaker 1: videos that have been that have been put on the internet,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like, that's horrible. Yeah, well it's also
Speaker 1: horrible that black people are getting shot and the videos
Speaker 1: are right there in front of your face, So I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like, you're a horrible person for wanting that.
Speaker 1: I know that's not how you solve the problem, But
Speaker 1: to be clear, I'm not. And you know I hate
Speaker 1: saying that. It really, it honestly bugs me. You know,
Speaker 1: I I'm going to defend somebody saying, oh, you're putting
Speaker 1: on a thing by saying stupid ship like that, because
Speaker 1: you don't really mean it. So I have to defend
Speaker 1: myself what it is but now I feel like now
Speaker 1: I've just I've almost pricked my conscience. Now I've told
Speaker 1: you I don't really mean come on, if you a commediate,
Speaker 1: I think you're a fucking idiot, right right, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: as a comedian, you ever want to explain the jokes
Speaker 1: because then it's like it goes over everybody's head and
Speaker 1: by that time you've soiled the joke and you're not
Speaker 1: and I mean that joke is very quite crystal clearly,
Speaker 1: you're not saying that you want to get we see
Speaker 1: videos of white people getting shot. You're saying that they
Speaker 1: do get shot, and like, let's have those videos like
Speaker 1: be there to be there too. Yeah, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: tell me there's a quality, then let's actually see equality
Speaker 1: in terms of what we're seeing on the news. Anyone
Speaker 1: who's actually thinking that you want white people getting shot
Speaker 1: or like just I day, probably the day after the
Speaker 1: Orlando shootings. Um, I talked about, you know, being very
Speaker 1: frank that I was in contact with former people from
Speaker 1: my church and uh, and they had said, you listen,
Speaker 1: get your life together, because you know, fifty spots in
Speaker 1: heaven just opened up. Um, what does that mean? It
Speaker 1: means that fifty people were killed in the nightclub. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they died and yeah, now so now there's fifty
Speaker 1: new spots available. Uh me, they died and went to heaven.
Speaker 1: Your life together. Those they don't think that those people
Speaker 1: want to heaven. Uh. There was a lot of there
Speaker 1: was a lot of feedback from more a cry from
Speaker 1: more strict churches after Orlando, being basically saying that yeah,
Speaker 1: what I'm what I'm saying is and this is people
Speaker 1: I know, some people I know, I just forget. I
Speaker 1: pushed it back, you know, so it went you know,
Speaker 1: I probably did about five or six those and then
Speaker 1: I was like I were done, but went probably half
Speaker 1: and half. You know, half of the time it was
Speaker 1: it was like okay, he's bold, and people there were
Speaker 1: chuckles and laughs, and the other half people were now
Speaker 1: working with it at all. Well, yeah, it's weird because
Speaker 1: it's like there, that's what some people think, So why
Speaker 1: not just put it out there. I mean, you're not
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean I haven't seen a bit about
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you don't, I'm sure you're not
Speaker 1: defending it, but like that's just what moment. But then
Speaker 1: I transitioned to you know, starting talking about with my
Speaker 1: gay experience. So anyway again back to this, the whole
Speaker 1: thick of it is again just this fake, this fake
Speaker 1: thing that keeps kind of coming up in my head. Um,
Speaker 1: I do not identify as um a member of the
Speaker 1: gay community, even though I have fucked man. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you're by you're not gay. I even hate I hate that,
Speaker 1: do you don't you do you think you hate it
Speaker 1: because your whole life you were it was pushed on you.
Speaker 1: Not all the time, but when the subject came up
Speaker 1: that that's wrong, of course you would hate it. Listen,
Speaker 1: I grow up. I do grow up from that man stality,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, like just to sit on fags
Speaker 1: mentality that is. That's where That's why I think. That's
Speaker 1: why I was surprised when Karinna told me that, because
Speaker 1: I honestly thought, not that you're outright homophobic, but I
Speaker 1: would if I had to guess, I'd be like, I
Speaker 1: don't know that, you'd be like down with gay people
Speaker 1: the way liberal would be like not a homophoic a
Speaker 1: bone in my body, but definitely ship talking. We include
Speaker 1: like we should talk everybody. That's how I grew Well,
Speaker 1: there's a difference between ship talking everybody and then actually
Speaker 1: like saying that you don't like someone because of who
Speaker 1: they're having sex with. You know, I also should talk everybody,
Speaker 1: but it's like just because they're terrible, not because like
Speaker 1: they're fucking dudes. Fucking dudes. There's a difference. So I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like when you say, well, you actually talking fags,
Speaker 1: what is that? Okay? So earlier when you said when
Speaker 1: I said I'm a man or whatever, you said a
Speaker 1: man that sucks dick, absolutely, and and I stand by
Speaker 1: that no, because what you're saying is like there's this
Speaker 1: persona of a man. And when I hate when people say, like,
Speaker 1: I'm a man and these are things men do, because
Speaker 1: what the fund does a man do? That's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: So the stereotypical man is someone who goes out and
Speaker 1: slays pussy. So the way you were using it, you
Speaker 1: meant it in that straight macho chusmo. I'm a man, man,
Speaker 1: And that's why I said, you're a man who is
Speaker 1: tex sex. That's exactly what I meant. You couldn't be
Speaker 1: more wrong, you couldn't be wrong, and it's really sad.
Speaker 1: So it was such a joke. So it was a joke.
Speaker 1: So just like so, so it was such a joke.
Speaker 1: What I merely meant is a man is talking, You're
Speaker 1: a woman. Don't talk when a man is talking. That's
Speaker 1: where it is. But make a sandwich, because you, along
Speaker 1: with I hate to say, a lot of your other
Speaker 1: feminist fathers, even find something to find something. You're so
Speaker 1: excited to find something of a victimization that you can
Speaker 1: tie onto so you can be a fucking victim. I
Speaker 1: am not trying to be a victim. Ever, nothing about
Speaker 1: this podcast, or about being a fectminist is being No
Speaker 1: one is sucking harder on women. I mean, and not
Speaker 1: on the planet. There are people, but I'm super tough
Speaker 1: on fucking women, and I expect more of women than
Speaker 1: anybody else because I know we can do better. The
Speaker 1: classic feminist you're talking about is someone who absolutely cries victim.
Speaker 1: I never cry victim. I don't even think that problem.
Speaker 1: You're miserable. The bottom line is you are a miserable
Speaker 1: You are a miserable person. So this whole feminist mantree
Speaker 1: really honestly does not make you happy. I don't think
Speaker 1: you are, because you you literally are in terrible My
Speaker 1: happiness it's terrible because you're making me. Really, I didn't
Speaker 1: do anything annoying. You know, I didn't do anything annoying
Speaker 1: you because you had to back up against you. Here's
Speaker 1: what happened, and you were very aggressive. You were joking
Speaker 1: about wasn't funny and it was shitty, and it was
Speaker 1: going back to the person that I didn't want to interview.
Speaker 1: And that's why I got fucking annoyed. And people are
Speaker 1: going to be confused because they don't know the different
Speaker 1: conversations we've had. But I can fucking link to the conversation.
Speaker 1: Know what you are talking about. Corrint. Listen, listen. Let
Speaker 1: me let me be very clear, this is not this
Speaker 1: is not a present. Let me go here and just
Speaker 1: lay my ship out because you know I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: It's like to stop burning it back on my therapist
Speaker 1: because it's it's not what I'm saying. Is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying this, I'm not making a joke. Oh
Speaker 1: so you're making a joke when it's funny quote unquote,
Speaker 1: but you're not making a joke when it's not. So
Speaker 1: just let us know when you make a joke and
Speaker 1: then we'll add in a laugh track. Christina, you're good, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm confused. I I you both threw jokes at each other.
Speaker 1: You were saying, a man's talking, shut up, and then
Speaker 1: Karin was rebutting with a joke that was like, well,
Speaker 1: a man who sucks dicks is talking because your joke
Speaker 1: about the macheese mo man. Okay, that's what happened, and
Speaker 1: that's fine, and I want to move on, but I
Speaker 1: can't identify what exactly the issue whos between you guys
Speaker 1: right now? I would like to get past because this
Speaker 1: is silly. I just want to hear your story. That's
Speaker 1: why you're here. I don't want to fucking you trying
Speaker 1: to turn everything on me and tell me I'm miserable
Speaker 1: this whole understand, but then and let me just And
Speaker 1: I certainly don't need you coming on and telling me
Speaker 1: ship I'm not rint I'm completely figured out, but but
Speaker 1: I'm not. You want something, you want to if you
Speaker 1: want the first person on the planet, if you want
Speaker 1: to come, if you want to continue to antagonize, we can.
Speaker 1: It is I'm saying we can move on. Every silly
Speaker 1: I question you or I say something, you can't turn
Speaker 1: around and be like, well, you're miserable and you have
Speaker 1: a bad energy. That's counter Sorry, what's your question? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: so sucking forgot? Well, let me let me say ship.
Speaker 1: Karan is not miserable. She's very happy. Just enough enough,
Speaker 1: I thought about me. This podcast is not sucking about me.
Speaker 1: Witness a lot of people we come on their show,
Speaker 1: they come on our show, and then they tell Karin
Speaker 1: what she is, and then Karin has to sit there
Speaker 1: and go, that's not who I am, and then it
Speaker 1: happens a lot. I think it was like I get
Speaker 1: annoyed by it. I don't even know what it was,
Speaker 1: but it was because as soon as we started the interview,
Speaker 1: sat down and you made a rude comment about me
Speaker 1: that had nothing Oh, you're fancy, It's just it's just
Speaker 1: the sid that to Christine exactly, and I go, oh,
Speaker 1: this is going to turn into the exact person that
Speaker 1: I didn't want to interview the other j C because
Speaker 1: I said, your fancy. It's just the same fucking tone.
Speaker 1: Just just go on, I'll just stop here. She wasn't
Speaker 1: a part of our previous conversations. Yeah, what is me
Speaker 1: having to say your fancy have to do with anything? Previous,
Speaker 1: and why are you so upset because you're sack clown.
Speaker 1: I recognize that you were not you were going to
Speaker 1: be not the real, the real version of yourself or
Speaker 1: maybe maybe right now, dude, I don't even know what
Speaker 1: the fun like. Come on, you just move on with
Speaker 1: the interview. Absolutely, it is your interview. What's the question?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but I don't want
Speaker 1: I feel like you. I don't want you to feel
Speaker 1: like you're an insane person because I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't wasn't there during those conversations, so I don't
Speaker 1: know it was a joke. I don't give a ship.
Speaker 1: Everyone comes in here and tells me this place is
Speaker 1: fancy because it's two stories, and then I go, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I don't know. I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't there. I don't know. I don't want to, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I gotta laugh because this is it's just right.
Speaker 1: I don't even know where we do. But this is
Speaker 1: what interview I make people this upset. That's crazy, it's
Speaker 1: it's yeah, this is exactly right. This is what it is.
Speaker 1: You get this upset. It's great. Do you do get this.
Speaker 1: Do you find that other people have a similar reaction?
Speaker 1: Do I have a I have a thing where I
Speaker 1: am able to press people's buttons even and I don't
Speaker 1: even know, I don't even know how why. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I start I start taking off up the antagonism mantra
Speaker 1: for fun, but it's bullshit. It's like, well, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, do you think it's because you put up
Speaker 1: a wall because you've never really, from the beginning, been
Speaker 1: able to do what you want to do? Uh? That
Speaker 1: was the past comedies actually released. Yeah, I would magic
Speaker 1: you can be really honest, like so, like I'm more
Speaker 1: authentic than I've ever been in my life. Just the
Speaker 1: thought of talking about sucking a guy, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's weird to hear hear you say that, just
Speaker 1: because like I never, come on, man, I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I really don't even understand how you get I don't
Speaker 1: give a ship. But I'm like, okay, how do you
Speaker 1: get more of and tick them that you know, and
Speaker 1: especially a black male that's community against them? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I know a lot of people do, but it
Speaker 1: seems like it's safe to say the majority of people
Speaker 1: who are black versus other communities like they're more harder
Speaker 1: on homosexuality and less less accepting. You can say, obviously,
Speaker 1: there's a second. There's a lot of gay, black gay people,
Speaker 1: a segment of us that you know. But you know,
Speaker 1: you do a black show or never been show, whatever
Speaker 1: the fun you call it, do some of these gay jokes.
Speaker 1: It's fun, isn't. I'm having a ball just watching people
Speaker 1: like guys sift their eyes. They won't look me in
Speaker 1: the eye, you know what I'm saying, women, you know,
Speaker 1: crossing their arms. It's hilarious. It's a part of the
Speaker 1: religious thing. Do you think do for the idea that
Speaker 1: it makes you less of a man if you suck
Speaker 1: at that? This is a real it's a big question.
Speaker 1: You can't speak for everybody. I can't. So we're talking
Speaker 1: about this the other day. It's a couple of things.
Speaker 1: First off, this is going so back with the slavery ship.
Speaker 1: But there was this thing called boock breaking, you know masters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they will go ahead and uh and undressed black males
Speaker 1: their families, and you know what, as a as an
Speaker 1: intimidating tool, you know what I'm saying. To make sure
Speaker 1: that you know, like listen, don't you do that enough
Speaker 1: and it's really like, uh yeah, people is in the
Speaker 1: black community is just kind of like ah, so that's
Speaker 1: where the root of it comes from. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know that. I don't know about the route. But that's
Speaker 1: the thing in our history that's really fucked up, you know,
Speaker 1: And that happened. That happened as a part of history.
Speaker 1: Now then again, Africans don't really fun with gays like
Speaker 1: that either. But but but I in Africa talking about
Speaker 1: Oh I know, but how that happened was a fucking
Speaker 1: old white Christian preacher came to Africa and talked to
Speaker 1: the leaders of the African leaders and then talked about
Speaker 1: the dangers of homosexuality and the link to pedophilia, which
Speaker 1: is completely a lie. When we talk what time framewor
Speaker 1: in like the fifties or sixties, I think, oh, Africans
Speaker 1: ain't been but there's an accurate My friend, my good
Speaker 1: friends from Tanzania, and I actually made a point to
Speaker 1: ask her about their views on homosexuality. We're in They're fine,
Speaker 1: all right, That's all I can speak to. You guys
Speaker 1: are familiar with like countries in Africa passing law. When
Speaker 1: I say Africans don't funk with it. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: every African person. I'm saying country like nations don't really
Speaker 1: you know, fun with me? Yeah, I mean I thought
Speaker 1: it was crazy that for so long America wouldn't allow
Speaker 1: gave people to be married. Yeah, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: believe in gay marriage, and why why not? I think
Speaker 1: the problem is the government involving themselves in people's private
Speaker 1: lives to an extent, Like, honestly, you should be able
Speaker 1: to love whoever the funk you want to love, and
Speaker 1: you should be given the same rights as anybody else.
Speaker 1: So marriage, the religious institution of marriage, should not be
Speaker 1: the vehicle by which people get right. If marriage is
Speaker 1: a religious fucking thing, that let the religious people have
Speaker 1: their own church rules. As far as rights, you go
Speaker 1: into a business, you're served anything, you're in a hospital,
Speaker 1: your your loved one is dying, you should be able
Speaker 1: to be given any rights, no matter what your fucking thing.
Speaker 1: So I think gays bought into this whole gay marriage
Speaker 1: thing as a way of getting rights that were afforded
Speaker 1: to them anyway. But really, you think gays really want
Speaker 1: to get married like that? But I know people, our
Speaker 1: friend David got married. I mean the trendy they wanted,
Speaker 1: but they want they love each other. And also when
Speaker 1: you're a marriage trendy, it's been around. I want, I
Speaker 1: want to get married married. Marriage is the is the
Speaker 1: the most horrid. First off, marriage is uh an institution
Speaker 1: that is really not equipped for this society. If I
Speaker 1: mean you look at the roots of marriage is pretty
Speaker 1: sucked up. Like people have relationships now that involved you
Speaker 1: guys know of course three or four or five peoples,
Speaker 1: polyamorous relationship, all types of weird kink. We are growing
Speaker 1: sexually at a rate in terms of human civilization that
Speaker 1: the institution of marriage cannot keep up with. That is
Speaker 1: an inntiquated union. Leave it for religious people and traditionalists.
Speaker 1: I funk with it as a as you know, I
Speaker 1: respect if someone wants to get married, but this whole
Speaker 1: new thing where you want to have your kick and
Speaker 1: eat it too, know, just give people their rights no
Speaker 1: matter what there but that would never happen, I mean
Speaker 1: just in terms of the way the government is round.
Speaker 1: That would never happen. That's where it should have been
Speaker 1: pushed for. You know, there was you know, civil unions
Speaker 1: was kind of this at one point we were trying
Speaker 1: to push we people were trying to push civil unions
Speaker 1: as a way to give those rights through marriage. But
Speaker 1: civil unions kind of felt like the step child that
Speaker 1: wasn't you know right? Well, well, I think it's too
Speaker 1: like whenever you when you when they're when you enter
Speaker 1: America and you're from another country where marriages it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter who you want to get married to and it's fine,
Speaker 1: And there are country is saying gay people can't get married.
Speaker 1: To me, that is a huge fuck you because of
Speaker 1: where you choose to put your or your vagina, and
Speaker 1: that's it's it's not okay, and it's it's sucked up.
Speaker 1: Like I don't have a religious bone in my body,
Speaker 1: but like I do want to get married one day.
Speaker 1: I do know, so I also know the roots of it.
Speaker 1: Why I'm sorry, sorry, but I don't want to get
Speaker 1: married in church. I don't want any religion affiliated with
Speaker 1: I want the tax breaks. And if Steven got hit
Speaker 1: by a car and is in the hospital and is dying,
Speaker 1: I want to be able to see. But see that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So like that tax breaks all that,
Speaker 1: why do you have to get married? I know, no
Speaker 1: marriage is encouraging the with the economy and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It's not it's weird that the government like gives you
Speaker 1: incentives to get married. It's creepy. Marriage should be for
Speaker 1: religious people who believe in one man and a woman
Speaker 1: and they're only going to have sex with themselves for
Speaker 1: the rest of their lives and they're never gonna Marriage
Speaker 1: is for for the old school. No hanky panky if
Speaker 1: you if you're about any type of life other than that. No,
Speaker 1: But what if you just want to get married and
Speaker 1: you're not religious, you just want to spend the rest
Speaker 1: of your life with someone else and you want to
Speaker 1: make that commitment, You're dumb, That's what I'm saying. Well,
Speaker 1: you don't want to get married, then well you did
Speaker 1: give me I did get married. Hello, I'm trying to help. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's your serious, which is very specific opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess I get where where you're coming from. You know,
Speaker 1: especially if you if you're not going to submit to
Speaker 1: a man, Karen, I do not. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: I'm not even a shaken I'm just small obnoxious. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, if you're not going to submit to your husband,
Speaker 1: marriage is not for you. That's not what it's about.
Speaker 1: What it's about in your Yeah, in your religion, that's
Speaker 1: what it's about. That's not I'm not religious when you were.
Speaker 1: I'm just when you were. Where else have you gotten that?
Speaker 1: It's gotten that. I understand it very well. Right, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's not what my understanding of marriage
Speaker 1: ever was. In my marriage would not be religious. Your
Speaker 1: marriage would fail if you would not submit to your husband.
Speaker 1: Your marriage is going to fail on women? Are you
Speaker 1: talking about honestly? Women? What on earth? It's not what
Speaker 1: on earth? Women have to be in a situation like,
Speaker 1: for example, you're very ambitious. I don't want to, you know,
Speaker 1: talk about you too much, but you're very ambitious. You
Speaker 1: need an ambitious man. You need someone to match you.
Speaker 1: If you're dating someone who is not on your level,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work. You need to be able to
Speaker 1: submit in order to stay with them. It's someone the
Speaker 1: mission is that, It's true. Do I need to find
Speaker 1: someone who is ambitious? Absolutely? You were correcting that one thing,
Speaker 1: but it has nothing. It has nothing to do with submit.
Speaker 1: You can be an equal partner. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's what feminism is all about that you hate so much.
Speaker 1: It's not about women trying to get more. It's about
Speaker 1: us trying to get just exactly what men already have.
Speaker 1: That's feminism. It's equality and respected equally and not going,
Speaker 1: oh you're gonna try and basketball that's cute, like, don't
Speaker 1: fucking that. That's what I think a lot of right
Speaker 1: for me. The respect is a huge part of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can find someone who's boring or whatever
Speaker 1: and that's cool, that's that's not I mean, no one
Speaker 1: wants to do that. I mean if they do, then
Speaker 1: find someone who's boring a Mariam. If you're gonna be
Speaker 1: boring together, is sure you should be born together, because
Speaker 1: don't drag a fun person down with you're born. I
Speaker 1: just don't. I just think that when you are you said, okay,
Speaker 1: so are you saying to me that you don't want
Speaker 1: to be challenged, you know, by someone who's doing it?
Speaker 1: Would you do would you rather be with someone who
Speaker 1: is uh, who has no ambition? No? I never thought
Speaker 1: that in my whole life. Okay, So if you're with
Speaker 1: someone who is better than you, right, do you have
Speaker 1: a problem with submitting to that person as the head
Speaker 1: of the relationship. I'm confused about your definition to submitting, Like,
Speaker 1: what is an example that I would submit to my husband?
Speaker 1: You're having uh an argument about how much to spend
Speaker 1: on furniture. You argue for a day or two. Finally
Speaker 1: it's like, all right, this is what it is. You
Speaker 1: just need to eat that. I mean, there's so many
Speaker 1: circumstances that would depend on my reaction to that situation,
Speaker 1: because sometimes I am being overly enthusiastic about like if
Speaker 1: I was being overly enthusiastic about the budget or something
Speaker 1: like that, and he's just trying to be practical, And
Speaker 1: then I had a day to think about it, and
Speaker 1: then I think, you know what, it is better to
Speaker 1: go to practical rule. Let's do this. But if I
Speaker 1: didn't think that, I'd hold my ground. You hold your ground,
Speaker 1: so then he holds his ground. So who wins? Who happen?
Speaker 1: I don't know. We can figure out. But then what
Speaker 1: would happen is we would both have to come to
Speaker 1: a compromise, I think is what would happen. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys are both compromising that his word is the
Speaker 1: last word that goes, and that's not the compromise that compromises.
Speaker 1: Let's go down a little bit on the budget, but
Speaker 1: we're gonna get from this store that you didn't want
Speaker 1: or something like that, like something and something in it
Speaker 1: that I was fighting for in a little bit of
Speaker 1: something and that he was fighting for, so we can
Speaker 1: both be happy. The truth is, if he's a good man,
Speaker 1: he will want your happiness and he'll do what you
Speaker 1: say ultimately, if he's truly a good man. But I
Speaker 1: don't think I don't think a good man should ever
Speaker 1: submit to a woman just now, now, little it's ample.
Speaker 1: That's the difference what I'm saying that because it's not sexist.
Speaker 1: If you just listen to what I'm saying that you
Speaker 1: should submit to him as the leader. But if he
Speaker 1: is the proper leader, he should be you. You should
Speaker 1: be of the man being the leader. In the relationship.
Speaker 1: There's no leader. It's a fucking relationship. Partner's equal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's why you'll never have a success. If it's
Speaker 1: really if you're going to have an equal i'm equal relationship,
Speaker 1: then eventually it's it's not going to work. Someone's got
Speaker 1: to be the boss. This is not like Dante Niro,
Speaker 1: but less informative wait, I have a question though, what
Speaker 1: about every relationship is a unique snowflake, right, and we
Speaker 1: all have like Steven and I, for example, take we've
Speaker 1: been together for five and a half years. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: as long as I've ever been with somebody. How long
Speaker 1: was your longest relationship? Like, uh, two and a half years?
Speaker 1: Like mine was also five years. So you have a
Speaker 1: lot to say about relationships for someone who's been in
Speaker 1: a short But what I what I'm noticing is the
Speaker 1: half years with a woman with a man, and it
Speaker 1: was bordering six years. Oh just a little more than
Speaker 1: five Okay, so then maybe maybe then with that guy,
Speaker 1: maybe you guys had this, but with certain things, like
Speaker 1: Stephen and I have different skills, right. I can't have
Speaker 1: that verified for you if you if you want just
Speaker 1: just just to go back, just just just to go
Speaker 1: on to me. Since you're not identifying as a member
Speaker 1: of the homosexual community or even the l g B
Speaker 1: t q I A. As a person who was with
Speaker 1: a man for five years, do you are you? Are
Speaker 1: you part of the heterosexual community? It was like a
Speaker 1: rimboy relationship. I think we talked about this a little bit. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's not purely sexual relationship. Did you love each other?
Speaker 1: It was purely sexure for each other. I think there
Speaker 1: was a love there, you know, eventually, can I say that?
Speaker 1: Can I say this? Though? This is because it is
Speaker 1: really important for me to say. It's awkward for me
Speaker 1: to say that I loved another man that I can say,
Speaker 1: I can say there was you know, I can say
Speaker 1: there was a love there. I mean, christ with your
Speaker 1: literally ice, like with your upbringing. That's the last thing
Speaker 1: you would ever even think you'd be allowed to say, like,
Speaker 1: of course, I mean, I I completely to not say
Speaker 1: there wasn't a love. That's the lives you know. That's
Speaker 1: nice that you said something in your gut is saying Jason,
Speaker 1: you're lying. Um. But okay, So here's my question about
Speaker 1: about the longer relationships. Stephen is logical in ways that
Speaker 1: I am not logical, and I am logical in ways
Speaker 1: that Stephen is not logical. Right. For example, he can't
Speaker 1: the idea of moving apartments. We moved once, for he
Speaker 1: moved from Brooklyn to here, and he the idea of
Speaker 1: packing and organizing. For him, it doesn't give I get
Speaker 1: panic attacks about getting overwhelmed it. It doesn't give him
Speaker 1: at attack. But it puts him on that like anxious road.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't know how to organize this stuff, right,
Speaker 1: that's just something he's not good at. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: let me help. You will send in the corner. I
Speaker 1: will pack these I don't care. I like doing this,
Speaker 1: like this is my strong suit and this is something
Speaker 1: that almost like freaks you out a little bit, So
Speaker 1: I'll take care of it, right. And then there's other
Speaker 1: areas in our relationship up in our life that he's
Speaker 1: the packer, you know what I mean. So that's what
Speaker 1: I mean when it's a it's a partnership because we
Speaker 1: take each other's strengths and weaknesses, and one of us
Speaker 1: steps up when the other one, like it's hard for
Speaker 1: them to handle the situation, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So there's no leader. It's always it truly is equal,
Speaker 1: and it's beautiful. And that's why there can be a quality.
Speaker 1: I truly believe that there can be a quality in
Speaker 1: relationship because I have it, and I don't think that
Speaker 1: a man should be the leader. I think many times
Speaker 1: this is more so an argument over semantics, you know,
Speaker 1: because what you just described as a beautiful, it's so beautiful,
Speaker 1: but no one, but who's leader in that we switched,
Speaker 1: We take our each other. He doesn't establish it soon
Speaker 1: than you will be because a woman's natural inclination is
Speaker 1: to lead. But it's it's very it varies through every
Speaker 1: certain situation. Because there's things that I freaked out when
Speaker 1: we've got got kicked off of our podcast network. I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know shit about equipment. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to fucking I don't even know. I don't
Speaker 1: have any money. I don't know what kind of mikes
Speaker 1: to buy any He's a tech guy, he's a director,
Speaker 1: he makes films. He knew. He's like, Christina, calm down,
Speaker 1: this is what I'll sudden you then. And I was
Speaker 1: freaking out and being kind of a bitch to him,
Speaker 1: and he was like, here you go, this is what
Speaker 1: you need to do, and I was like, thank you.
Speaker 1: That's a relationship to me, is like going back and
Speaker 1: forth and supporting each other like that. I really don't think.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying don't support each other. All I'm saying
Speaker 1: is that a man has to establish himself as the
Speaker 1: leadership position in a relationship or the woman is going
Speaker 1: to run him. So then in the male relationship. Who
Speaker 1: would be the leader the top? Good question? Really? But
Speaker 1: what if they don't have intercourse because a lot of
Speaker 1: gay couples that I speak to like don't actually have
Speaker 1: sex where a penis goes in anything. The more masculine one,
Speaker 1: what does that even mean? But what do is they're
Speaker 1: both I know, but I don't know the button the
Speaker 1: one who either takes it up to They only perform
Speaker 1: oral on each other. So who who would be the winner?
Speaker 1: Who is the more masculine one? As you asked the question,
Speaker 1: which is a great question, the top is the one
Speaker 1: who is is the leader in the in the gay relationship.
Speaker 1: So if if you're say saying that they're they both
Speaker 1: don't take it up the book and they both don't
Speaker 1: fuck that that's what you're saying. They only get off
Speaker 1: but not through Yeah, exactly, so they suck each other's dicks. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the one that is more effeminate is the one
Speaker 1: that is the woman and needs to submit to the
Speaker 1: other one that does. And you're going back to that,
Speaker 1: you're calling a man the woman. And that's what I
Speaker 1: meant when I was called are you talking about? You're
Speaker 1: saying the one who is the woman? Neither of them
Speaker 1: is the woman. They're both fucking women. Is not synonymous
Speaker 1: with submitting, Karin, I'm okay, so fine to basically what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is the bottom is like the woman in
Speaker 1: the in the relationship, and what is like them? And
Speaker 1: so you're just saying a woman is the person who
Speaker 1: is submitting a woman in the in the bottom or
Speaker 1: like they play the same position? What is that difficult? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so close minded, not actually technically hard for me
Speaker 1: to understand. Thanks, it's not closed minded, is it's mine?
Speaker 1: I guarantee if you have some real motherfucking gay and
Speaker 1: gay and straight couples, if they're honest about it, I
Speaker 1: guarantee you that they will. You know, they'll say that
Speaker 1: I'm right, Well, to be honest, I'm gonna ask them
Speaker 1: to ask if you ask for more in their lives
Speaker 1: and their relations I certainly met couples, gay couples where
Speaker 1: the gay guy like he's the woman in the relationship
Speaker 1: and I'm the man. Like I've heard that, but it's
Speaker 1: thrown It's thrown around in a way that it's almost
Speaker 1: to get. Like people who can't wrap their brains around
Speaker 1: homosexuality to understand and they're just being jokey and funny
Speaker 1: about it. But I think in the context of like
Speaker 1: their life and what happens in their life and their
Speaker 1: relationship together, it's not I mean, some relationships have leaders
Speaker 1: and some don't. But I think, uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just like I feel like as a woman and
Speaker 1: my whole life have been told to submit and that
Speaker 1: that really I can see that. I can see that
Speaker 1: it bugs you. And listen, you you did you did
Speaker 1: say something? Uh? In this day and age, with different relationships,
Speaker 1: everyone communicates and what works for them is what works
Speaker 1: for them. So if you have a relationship where you
Speaker 1: can establish that there's no leader and that works for
Speaker 1: you for that time, then by all means do it.
Speaker 1: Who are you when you have a relationship with a guy?
Speaker 1: Are you the leader or the smit her? Uh? I
Speaker 1: am a tyrant to get along with has no is
Speaker 1: not like I haven't a bunch of guys. I had
Speaker 1: this one one rent boys situation, but that was the relationship.
Speaker 1: Let's just call it what it is. So and that
Speaker 1: and then my wife, you know who was Was she
Speaker 1: submissive to you or were you submissive to her? In
Speaker 1: a relationship with me? You're doing what I say. But
Speaker 1: this is the thing. I am benevolent in the sense
Speaker 1: that if you know, if I love you, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get which you're gonna You're gonna get what you want.
Speaker 1: It's never really not going to be a lot of
Speaker 1: arguing because I'm not going to be I'm not this
Speaker 1: top heavy type of situation. I think when you say that,
Speaker 1: you think I say the leader. You think I'm saying
Speaker 1: someone who's like a you know, or what ever, someone
Speaker 1: who thinks they're better than the other person or thinks
Speaker 1: that their their knowledge or their morals are superior to
Speaker 1: That's what I have a relationship with a dog, Like
Speaker 1: if the dog behaves and you love that dogs, the
Speaker 1: dog will get a treat. Sounds really fun, I mean,
Speaker 1: certainly current. There are certain personalities that I would it
Speaker 1: in that situation. It's interesting, do you do you are?
Speaker 1: You do identify as a heterosexual? You never answer that.
Speaker 1: I don't identify as heterosexual for sure, because I have
Speaker 1: sucked the men. I do not identify as by or whatever.
Speaker 1: Someone was trying to convince me to whole pan sexual thing.
Speaker 1: I guess that's oh, that's like everybody. Yeah, like trans male,
Speaker 1: female whatever. I mean. Also too, we've talked to people
Speaker 1: who don't like the labels of like, why do you
Speaker 1: have to label my sexuals my thing? That's why I
Speaker 1: was I'm trying to get back because if you truly
Speaker 1: are unlabeled, great. I think it's stupid that we have
Speaker 1: to have fucking eighteen names cis gender, It's all bullshit.
Speaker 1: Shut the funk up. However, if it's an actual like
Speaker 1: like negativity or not wanting to be associated with the
Speaker 1: l g B t q I A community, that's no.
Speaker 1: I know, it's yeah. And then other people they find
Speaker 1: out they're a sexual and the label of a sexuality
Speaker 1: makes them like, oh thank god. There are people like
Speaker 1: me who understand this and they find a comfort in it.
Speaker 1: So don't and everyone's individual absolutely do not feel comfortable
Speaker 1: being associated with the gay community, you know. But um,
Speaker 1: is it just because of the religion or is there
Speaker 1: something more than that, because it's like you've been separated
Speaker 1: from that for a while, you know what it is.
Speaker 1: I don't like groups, man. I love people, individual people,
Speaker 1: I love like, I really do love people, but groups
Speaker 1: when they get when groups start to form problems, dude, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's women or even fucking even
Speaker 1: blacks at times, or uh Jews or fucking gays. It's
Speaker 1: like these groups are so problematic, you know, you want
Speaker 1: to play the victim cards so much. That's why I
Speaker 1: really I believe in less government. But I know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna sound like a libertarian Republican, which I'm neither of those.
Speaker 1: But anyway, bottom line is I funk with people individually.
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk if your gay, trans I
Speaker 1: don't care what you are, who you sleep with, if
Speaker 1: you breathe, I love you do. But the once you
Speaker 1: and I'm a fin minist and you fucking kick rocks,
Speaker 1: I mean feministsm I mean, it's not like a group
Speaker 1: the way Judaism is a group. No, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: people who believe that coalition that's gotten out of control.
Speaker 1: You are right, So has civil rights gotten out of control? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great. Easy to just hop on black people's back. Easy,
Speaker 1: It's just the easiest. But that's what you do with
Speaker 1: the similarities between between gender and race. Issues are a
Speaker 1: neck and neck and if we are not neck, there're
Speaker 1: so similar and it's like we we love as a
Speaker 1: country to go through tough times historically, and not learn
Speaker 1: the Everyone knows that Salem which trials is happening over
Speaker 1: and over and over again with different groups of people.
Speaker 1: It's not fucking brilliant. White geminists have been riding the
Speaker 1: code is because feminists don't even really funk with you
Speaker 1: guys like that. That's the truth. Why shouldn't have been
Speaker 1: riding the civil rights coattails since the inception of your
Speaker 1: little movement which writing my little tale and that's kind
Speaker 1: of sounding. It's equality for everyone, no matter what your gender,
Speaker 1: your race, your sexual orientation. That's the fucking so good
Speaker 1: about equality. Women don't want to be equal, women want
Speaker 1: to run ship. And that's fine. But I'm looking at
Speaker 1: you telling me, not looking at me, You're looking at
Speaker 1: the looking at you. And then you said, don't look
Speaker 1: at me. I'm gonna hit you. I'm gonna abuse you.
Speaker 1: That's what you said. I looked at you and it
Speaker 1: was too much. You can't handle me looking at you
Speaker 1: are that's the problem. You could not handle me looking
Speaker 1: at just so condescending and ill informed. It's ill informed
Speaker 1: yesterday you are. I've never been putting your place properly,
Speaker 1: put in my place Okay, that's correct, That's what I said.
Speaker 1: You're still looking at the wall, karint Am. I allowed
Speaker 1: to look at you, miss, Can I look at you
Speaker 1: looking at the wall home time? Because I don't think
Speaker 1: you truly even believe what you're saying. Is this going
Speaker 1: to look at at you talk like that? That's so,
Speaker 1: that's so demeaning to our smart African American listeners. Now,
Speaker 1: they're very smart, they're very smart of laughing right now hysterically.
Speaker 1: I doubt that now because I've talked. We talked about
Speaker 1: white feminism before, and I understand critiques of white femin
Speaker 1: facts and in the comedy community, who talks about the
Speaker 1: issues of white feminists as opposed to black felt. Phoebe
Speaker 1: Robinson has made a lot of marks. She's really I
Speaker 1: love what she has to say about it. I've heard
Speaker 1: ray Sonny. I don't know much about her. I'm she's
Speaker 1: coming up doing a show of mine coming up here recently,
Speaker 1: but I've I've heard that she's also carries that much
Speaker 1: of Kitty carry cardette. You know, Listen, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: something that's so ridiculous. Maybe my tone, you know, is
Speaker 1: a little rough, but there are some issues with white
Speaker 1: feminists not giving a funk about uh, you know, the
Speaker 1: black women that he's supposed to be in the group.
Speaker 1: But but totally and we're really trying to not to
Speaker 1: take the people who are when people like Phobe talk
Speaker 1: about like white feminism and what she's talking about, and
Speaker 1: I totally agree because I see it. It's like we're
Speaker 1: trying trying to discourage that quote unquote white feminism that
Speaker 1: she's talking about, because you're right, and I agree, and
Speaker 1: it's it's really it's not gonna work if everyone divides.
Speaker 1: This is my problem with little tiny groups. And I
Speaker 1: get what you're saying. I've always been a rogue. I
Speaker 1: do not I'm not trying to say follow me. Okay,
Speaker 1: yes I do have you know, it's it's snarky to
Speaker 1: say j C knows best because I say I think,
Speaker 1: I say real ship. But I'm not saying people follow me.
Speaker 1: I'm rogue. I do not funk with groups on that
Speaker 1: when once they get too powerful and you can't tell
Speaker 1: feminist anything, or the LGBT community, which is extremely fucking powerful.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, to the degree that the N double
Speaker 1: A c P I think has done some fun boyshit,
Speaker 1: you know, within this group. Every group has is and
Speaker 1: it's like I can't. I live by principles and to
Speaker 1: the best of my ability, I just you know, I
Speaker 1: live my life, but I will not fucking succumb to
Speaker 1: a group just because they say no. Fuck you know, well,
Speaker 1: I think that you your experiences and what you've witnessed
Speaker 1: and what you've read about what you've seen and who
Speaker 1: you've met with groups has been obviously very negative. Mine
Speaker 1: has not. That has probably contributed to you if you're
Speaker 1: your church up bringing. No, just meaning like in everyday life,
Speaker 1: like how did you get the things? So I think
Speaker 1: it was rooted a lot by that makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense, that's of course part of it, but meaning like, uh,
Speaker 1: your experiences with whenever you've read or been presented with
Speaker 1: we're a group where the l g B t q
Speaker 1: I community, like, what is something that they've done that's
Speaker 1: so horrible that it makes you think that way because
Speaker 1: to me, I the people that I associate with in
Speaker 1: those groups are activists and they just want equality and
Speaker 1: they're they're they're making it known in a way that
Speaker 1: I really respect and I admire and want to support.
Speaker 1: And most groups are selfish and their want for equality,
Speaker 1: want their rights and equality for their own groups. First,
Speaker 1: I agree with that, but it's like when if you're
Speaker 1: working for a platform, you gotta push that platform first. Okay,
Speaker 1: So now I can accept that because that's the probably
Speaker 1: the most intelligent explanation that somebody would offer for that,
Speaker 1: But you cannot say that these groups. Sometimes these groups
Speaker 1: just don't give a funk about the other rogue members. Listen,
Speaker 1: trans people had real fucking issues within the LGBT community,
Speaker 1: like in the eighties and night like me, they weren't
Speaker 1: accepted and they weren't really its LT. But trans people
Speaker 1: have had their own fight in turn of fight, you know,
Speaker 1: these groups uh you know will say that therefore equality
Speaker 1: but becomes a struggle off. Come on, there's a cast
Speaker 1: system within every group. Well then when it becomes a
Speaker 1: my struggle planner than you, that to me is disgusting.
Speaker 1: It's so terrible, it's gross. And you know, I know
Speaker 1: we've made remarks. So when people like write us and
Speaker 1: they're like urgent, help need to Trevor won't text me back,
Speaker 1: and we're like, alright, I know, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: I can't tell you that that doesn't make you feel
Speaker 1: horrible because it does. So it really there needs to
Speaker 1: be a wider acceptance of Look, everyone has their own
Speaker 1: individual problems, like let's try and help people out. Like
Speaker 1: if I'm fighting for my own cause right now, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. But if I want to help other
Speaker 1: people in their cause, like, let's do you know, it's
Speaker 1: just it gets obnoxious. And I completely understand you're not
Speaker 1: like in groups. I have always been an individual. When
Speaker 1: I joined the reparative therapy group, that was my own volition.
Speaker 1: No one told me to do that. You know, I
Speaker 1: did not confess to anybody. Oh I think I had
Speaker 1: gay thoughts. I wasn't sucking any guys. I never suck
Speaker 1: the guy, not never done any gay shit, but had
Speaker 1: gay thoughts. And then it was leading to gay porn
Speaker 1: and all that, and I said, oh, I'm gonna check
Speaker 1: myself in a rehab. Rehab to the listeners, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know what it is, okay, so x okay. So
Speaker 1: repative therapy is for people who want to rid themselves
Speaker 1: of their same sexual attraction. Right, you acknowledge that you
Speaker 1: have an attraction in addition or not whatever, to the
Speaker 1: same sex, which for whatever reason you don't like it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be religious. The therapy was so good.
Speaker 1: It was such that the one on one therapy sessions,
Speaker 1: the guy was like, listen, you don't you can be
Speaker 1: gay and happy. You realize that, right? I think this
Speaker 1: the one on one sessions, this is what the guy
Speaker 1: was telling me. That's nice to know you can be gay.
Speaker 1: It was more so these people believe I guess they
Speaker 1: have the ability to direct orientation or or that we
Speaker 1: all can direct um manipulate your attractions, all that type
Speaker 1: of ships. So what if I was like, I hate man,
Speaker 1: can you make me a lowsbian? Could they help with that?
Speaker 1: That's an honest question. I know it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not ridiculous. It not only is it not loaded,
Speaker 1: it's it's ridiculous sounding and it's set. It's so good
Speaker 1: because that's that's the test. Because if they can't, if
Speaker 1: they can't do that, I would say these A couple
Speaker 1: of these physicians were so I don't want to say cocky,
Speaker 1: but I would say that they could. They would probably
Speaker 1: answer yes, can you can you walk us through a
Speaker 1: couple like so okay? So for example, um, I am
Speaker 1: coming in guilt ridden, you know, saying that listen, I
Speaker 1: do not like the way I feel. And he's asking
Speaker 1: me questions, you know, just laying out what is my
Speaker 1: life like? And I'm giving him. Relationships with my father
Speaker 1: and all that. That was a big thing, and we
Speaker 1: implemented psychotherapy specifically with the relationship with my father because
Speaker 1: I didn't have the balls or whatever it takes to
Speaker 1: go and confront my dad. I did at times, but
Speaker 1: it never went well, Oh, it's that's hard. A confronting
Speaker 1: a parent about something. It's the most horrifying things. So
Speaker 1: and staid, we would we would come from my dad
Speaker 1: in the psychotherapy says this is gonna sound awesome. It
Speaker 1: does sound like that would really help, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: So you're in the mirror. You're in front of a mirror,
Speaker 1: and you got a pillow and like a couch, and
Speaker 1: you're talking to your dad and you're going in on
Speaker 1: things that really are meaningful to you and you and
Speaker 1: if times, if things need to get physical, you know, like, uh,
Speaker 1: if things need to get physical, how like you punch
Speaker 1: the mirror, You take that pillow and you beat that couch. Man.
Speaker 1: Well you you know, you take the pillow and you
Speaker 1: beat the pillow, and you could you confront these daddy issues.
Speaker 1: You know, I paid hundreds of dollars to beat these pillows.
Speaker 1: Oh I did it for free, Jay, I should have
Speaker 1: told you in the pay of your own room and
Speaker 1: then you scream into it. It's kind of nice. This helped.
Speaker 1: So stuff like this constantly every time time a thought
Speaker 1: of void. So I told you I would get stressed out,
Speaker 1: ould watch the gay porn. That's the real thing. When
Speaker 1: anxiety would happen and I would act out is what
Speaker 1: they call They said they was acting out because people
Speaker 1: stress masturbate. That's like masturbation is stress out. Well, masturbation
Speaker 1: is also less well yeah, lesser form of sex anyway,
Speaker 1: So you shouldn't be masterurbing. That's neither here nor anyway.
Speaker 1: So you've got to know what makes your clitters tangle
Speaker 1: unless you masturbate j C. Right right, right, So you
Speaker 1: just got You just laughed when you said when you
Speaker 1: said that it was they considered it acting out. So
Speaker 1: what what are your thoughts on that? Do you think
Speaker 1: it's acting? Yeah? I did you agree with them? What
Speaker 1: do you mean at the at the time, I was
Speaker 1: trying to have no act outs, no gay porn, no whatever.
Speaker 1: So what he said, they classify that as an act.
Speaker 1: What he said and made sense, And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: it did work. For weeks. I would do all the steps,
Speaker 1: you know that the self analysis and ask myself the
Speaker 1: questions and make sure my voice were voids were actually
Speaker 1: being fulfilled if they weren't, if I felt they weren't
Speaker 1: beating the pillow with the dad and all the fucking
Speaker 1: ship I was supposed to. I did it, and it
Speaker 1: would work. It would work. The act outs were less,
Speaker 1: you know, until they started the group therapy, and then
Speaker 1: in the group therey could be you meet other guys
Speaker 1: who are also going through the one on one there,
Speaker 1: so it's like the best hook up place ever. I
Speaker 1: ended up hooking up with one of the guys and
Speaker 1: the escape there. Okay, yeah, because but you're going through
Speaker 1: the same stress. Of course, it is like you can't,
Speaker 1: I mean, your sexuality is so that's that pillow. Couldn't
Speaker 1: it couldn't actually me away from that guy. Man, it
Speaker 1: was it was a done deal. Do these doctors do
Speaker 1: they not believe that bisexuality is a thing or do
Speaker 1: they just not condone that they believe that you Okay,
Speaker 1: So this specific group was Jonah is the groups Jews.
Speaker 1: It was a Jewish organization for people coming out of homosexuality,
Speaker 1: and it was under the umbrella I'm sure you've heard
Speaker 1: of Exodus International. You haven't heard of the biggest ex
Speaker 1: gay program. It's taken a lot of hits because a
Speaker 1: lot of this, a lot of their chief people have
Speaker 1: been have been no ship who you are? You can?
Speaker 1: I think you can. It's just like, why would a
Speaker 1: straight man take the time to create Exodus International. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's busying, it doesn't have time for that. But but
Speaker 1: but to that, to that point, uh, yeah, the one
Speaker 1: guy I think he just stopped down just a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago he had, you know, just he went
Speaker 1: back to to ask this and this specific group, this
Speaker 1: specific group was was secular, so there was there was
Speaker 1: no religious like I didn't have to join JUDYSM. This
Speaker 1: was a secular They were not forcing religion on me
Speaker 1: at all. They believed in, you know that with the
Speaker 1: right type of therapy you can orient yourself you know
Speaker 1: a certain way. Now that being said, um, if you
Speaker 1: feel and this is what I truly do believe, and
Speaker 1: again you see how I talk. But this is just
Speaker 1: a belief that it might be a little controversial. If
Speaker 1: you believe that your life should be a straight relationship
Speaker 1: and you want two point five kids and a dog,
Speaker 1: and you want the white pick offense, and that's what
Speaker 1: you want, but you have gay feelings. I feel like,
Speaker 1: as a free member of society, if that's what you want,
Speaker 1: you should be able to go and try to get
Speaker 1: therapy and whatever else you need to do to make
Speaker 1: yourself straight from being gay and quarantine your point. Ye,
Speaker 1: there are people who would believe that they can do that.
Speaker 1: And I believe we're gonna have trends, and I know
Speaker 1: this is I know that you know, it's not the
Speaker 1: exact same thing. But if we have people who are
Speaker 1: born with male genitalia but they feel like they are women,
Speaker 1: you know, inside, and they're going to make, you know,
Speaker 1: change themselves to match, you know, whatever is inside their
Speaker 1: physical appearance, then I think that we should have people
Speaker 1: who want to be straight if they you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's not harmful. I'm not saying it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be problem. People suppress any part of who you are.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: would have I would imagine that eventually it's really gonna
Speaker 1: bite you in your at in the ass, and you're
Speaker 1: really not. You think you're happy because you think that
Speaker 1: of two point five kids and a dog and a
Speaker 1: white picket fence and a white so they're going to
Speaker 1: make you happy. You have done it. It's really just
Speaker 1: quelching your anxiety about like what everyone's going to think
Speaker 1: of you, People who crazy powerful. You think Tyler Perry
Speaker 1: hasn't you know, made a change in his life. You
Speaker 1: realize how gay Tyler Perry was whatever? So gay? I
Speaker 1: mean whatever, I don't care a series where he can
Speaker 1: dress as a woman. Listen, come on, every Tyler, come on,
Speaker 1: not even just you know, I don't like everyone's gay,
Speaker 1: everyone straight out. So that being said, he has a
Speaker 1: wife and a kid in a respectable platform in Hollywood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he probably believed, you know that he could not attain
Speaker 1: those things as a single gay man. He was probably
Speaker 1: right because people are assholes. Yeah. I am not defending
Speaker 1: people who hate people. I'm saying this is a way
Speaker 1: of society, Tom Cruise. I mean, I mean there's just
Speaker 1: an argument after argument that he's gay and whatever it is.
Speaker 1: But it's like he was like kind of like Hollywood's
Speaker 1: male sweetheart. So like you know, society I don't think
Speaker 1: would be okay with like you Hollywood's as of course
Speaker 1: none would not have made it, like he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been cast in Top Gun. I don't know about Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at Tyler Perry and you could take
Speaker 1: because most people can't watch a movie and and and
Speaker 1: see a person we know is getting real life making
Speaker 1: out with a woman and get aroused and like go
Speaker 1: home and drink a bottle of Zendale and think that
Speaker 1: that oh that could be me. That's what Hollywood is it.
Speaker 1: I mean, but people are stupid in their assholes, and
Speaker 1: we should all just not cater to them because you
Speaker 1: should be able to see. Well, yeah, I think Hollywood
Speaker 1: is making small changes, but I mean you see they
Speaker 1: make changes where they make Ghostbusters women and then we
Speaker 1: see the fucking backgacksh you know it's it's it's good
Speaker 1: and I'm proud of them because they are taking those stuffs.
Speaker 1: And I mean Brie Larson is also, Yeah, she's gonna
Speaker 1: play like a captain. She's from the room. It was
Speaker 1: a movie that came out she wanted, she wanted, not
Speaker 1: the Oscar this year, um and she's playing like a
Speaker 1: superhero captain, and I'm you know, it's just like you
Speaker 1: keep doing things no matter how much people like Revolt,
Speaker 1: and then that's how real change is made, as long
Speaker 1: as they're making enough money at the box off listen.
Speaker 1: I'll be I. You know, I thought the women were
Speaker 1: finding ghost posters. I thought that was stupid, you know,
Speaker 1: And I might even be sounding like a male soaving
Speaker 1: his pig on this, but I don't know how this
Speaker 1: is going to sound when it comes out. But I
Speaker 1: don't fucking think that it's a big deal that women
Speaker 1: were ghost But what the funk are we are even serious?
Speaker 1: Were so fucking dumb dude a deal out of this that,
Speaker 1: I mean, it was huge just to uh yeah, and
Speaker 1: to be honest, just to go back to something I
Speaker 1: don't want to like, I'm not trying to like bring
Speaker 1: it up so we can find about it again. But
Speaker 1: when when little tiny comments like the male should be
Speaker 1: the lead her in the relationship for example, Okay, I
Speaker 1: see ship like people really just the awful things like
Speaker 1: Leslie Jones deleted her fucking Twitter account with people are
Speaker 1: being such dickheads. Oh she has, But I get it's
Speaker 1: like that's so disappointing in humanity, right, But like you're
Speaker 1: when I see ship like this, I mean I have
Speaker 1: the things that I see online directed towards me and
Speaker 1: other women, I'm like, God, damn that you just that
Speaker 1: is it's really hard to stomach. And all you can
Speaker 1: do is just be an example for the type of
Speaker 1: society you want to see and try to encourage it.
Speaker 1: And there you go and a but it's like little
Speaker 1: comments like that, like the moon should be the leader
Speaker 1: of Like it's like nails on a chalk for because
Speaker 1: it's like, you're smart for a black man. When someone
Speaker 1: says that, you're probably like what the like shut the
Speaker 1: funk up? Like and well, but you Karin hit the
Speaker 1: nail on the head when she asked me in a
Speaker 1: gay relationship, who's be the leader or whatever? And I
Speaker 1: straight up said the tops should be. So I do
Speaker 1: have a belief that there should be a leader, So
Speaker 1: that should kind of offset. You're right, I believe there
Speaker 1: should be a leader in every relationship. That is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying to you. In a in a heterosexual relationship,
Speaker 1: I believe it should be the male. In a gay relationship,
Speaker 1: I think you should be the one who's doing the fucking.
Speaker 1: So you don't think that, Like, I've known couples where
Speaker 1: the woman is just more quote unquote masculine and the
Speaker 1: and the men is man is more effeminate, and it worked.
Speaker 1: I mean it's hilarious. It's like, why is it hilarious?
Speaker 1: Like the show Crisly Knows Best, Like, dude, get what
Speaker 1: what is his name it? There's this white family And
Speaker 1: I was so pissed when I saw someone say it's
Speaker 1: his name knows best and this bullshit because I had
Speaker 1: at first and he, uh, fucking he's the most effeminate male.
Speaker 1: And the show is about him and his family, how
Speaker 1: he rules his family and he's he's are a tool woman.
Speaker 1: They have four kids. You probably want to reparative therapy though,
Speaker 1: Oh and didn't Yo repared? And the reparative therapy they
Speaker 1: teach you how to reclaim your masculinity as well. That's
Speaker 1: a huge thing you've never you've never heard of. Oh man,
Speaker 1: what is it called? Man? Man? The idea that year's weekend,
Speaker 1: it's a it's called warriors weekend. Looking up, there's these
Speaker 1: weekends that are devoted to men reclaiming, reclaiming. They're there
Speaker 1: I never had that issue. I was I was always
Speaker 1: on the masculine side, you know. But it's just dude,
Speaker 1: fucking a dude is the most masculine thing in the
Speaker 1: fucking world. Are you kidding me? Convinced? But this is
Speaker 1: just why two men and their giant dicks. That's why
Speaker 1: I know a lot of men who are both No,
Speaker 1: it's not. I think it's gross. That is gross a
Speaker 1: little bit. It's a little gross, but you do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's so wood Listen, confusing can be gross.
Speaker 1: It's confusing to you when I hear someone say two
Speaker 1: dudes fucking No, that's it makes me. It makes absolutely
Speaker 1: not as beautiful. It's great. Sometimes it's gross though it's
Speaker 1: a lot, but it's a lot of that's hot. But
Speaker 1: but when you're talking about two dudes, it is what
Speaker 1: it is. Listen. This is another thing with the gay
Speaker 1: community that I hate. But they are they are fucking
Speaker 1: coming around with the q lgbt Q for queer slash
Speaker 1: questioning right. Gay community has always really shitted on people
Speaker 1: who are call it confused, Karen, call it not out
Speaker 1: of the closet download which download has worst simplications Because
Speaker 1: I don't think downloads. I think download was terrible. Downloads
Speaker 1: when you are fucking um sucking the men and you're
Speaker 1: lying to the women that you have dangerous and horrible
Speaker 1: and terrible. I'm talking about just men who are not
Speaker 1: I'm here out of the closet, just like guys who
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, because they're like, if I'm really gay,
Speaker 1: you need to be really gay too, and it's like
Speaker 1: that is that is. Let me tell you something that
Speaker 1: is one of the biggest things that a lot I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people hate. I just don't know
Speaker 1: a lot of gay people that are like that. I
Speaker 1: think that's where but I know that there are a
Speaker 1: gay person does start. You can be comfortable with yourself
Speaker 1: and still just be like you like to laugh at
Speaker 1: fund up shit, you like to you know, you want rights,
Speaker 1: you don't want violence, you don't want anyone to have
Speaker 1: harm or anything. But you don't identify as your typical fag.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And I don't say fag
Speaker 1: as you know. But in the same way that a
Speaker 1: mincing gay man annoys you, and I totally get it
Speaker 1: to me head of respect, missing man does not annoy me,
Speaker 1: by the way one want him. One who thinks that
Speaker 1: everyone should be like him though, if you're if you're gay,
Speaker 1: that is what annoys. I love feminine fags, love them,
Speaker 1: love them very queer. They're fun, the best, so fun,
Speaker 1: so much dancing, dancing and happy okay, cocaine. That's what
Speaker 1: people expect from a gay man to be. Is that
Speaker 1: more accurate? I don't like that, But I don't give
Speaker 1: a funk what people think. Obviously because I talked so
Speaker 1: openly about this ship. I don't like the idea that, oh,
Speaker 1: you you fun guys, you should uh, you should believe this,
Speaker 1: or you should support this bill, or you should identify this.
Speaker 1: Do not put me in a fucking box. And I
Speaker 1: rejected completely. That's the same reason why I hate that
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm a man enough in a relationship. I
Speaker 1: should be the leader and I should be more he
Speaker 1: quote quote Maslin, which I don't even know what that
Speaker 1: really really Wait, I think I figured something out. I
Speaker 1: really think me and Karin were about to get somewhere too,
Speaker 1: because I want to and this has to do with that.
Speaker 1: Or do you think you're trying to fit yourself into
Speaker 1: the mold of what a man is not with the
Speaker 1: gay stuff? That's nothing to do with it, but how
Speaker 1: you conduct yourself. And that's a really really good question.
Speaker 1: When I was doing that therapy, beating the pillow, I
Speaker 1: was like, this is this is hilariously said, I'm clearly
Speaker 1: have I'm questioning who I am and I'm not comfortable
Speaker 1: with myself. This is ridiculous this ship I'm doing, Like
Speaker 1: I would leave, like what the fuck? That was the
Speaker 1: craziest hour of my life. This ship I just did.
Speaker 1: People would created each other, you know, we would be
Speaker 1: hold the you know, it was so weird. At that time.
Speaker 1: I questioned myself and who I was. Now, no, this
Speaker 1: is who I am. It is what it is. I
Speaker 1: I don't you know, maybe it's a mixture of my
Speaker 1: upbringing in the way I thought. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of conservative stuff still there, which you know I vetted.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't hate liberals or conservatives. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I hate the boxes are like real, they funk with me.
Speaker 1: It's like when when a conservative person, um, if there's
Speaker 1: like some sort of Republican something that they're supposed to
Speaker 1: take up, they don't question it. They're like, this is
Speaker 1: what Russia, Limball or Fox News is saying. This weekend.
Speaker 1: Same thing with liberals though, is that they do it
Speaker 1: like you bet and analyze the things you guys are
Speaker 1: fucking saying. Sometimes conservatives have it right, sometimes liberals have
Speaker 1: it right. It's just, you know, I thought that for
Speaker 1: a long time, Like the Bates, no one gets called
Speaker 1: out for not saying the facts right, Yeah, don't. I
Speaker 1: don't fit myself into any of these of these groups.
Speaker 1: There's a million different statistics and you can just pull
Speaker 1: whatever one works for you. I mean that's why I think,
Speaker 1: like when we're you know, getting ready for the election
Speaker 1: in November, and everyone's just saying what they think people
Speaker 1: want to hear, Like, it's like how can I even drink? Like,
Speaker 1: how can you really even judge? I know that's why
Speaker 1: I like everyone's standering everyone anyway, so nothing he only
Speaker 1: makes anything. It's like it's depressing. Yeah, what we have
Speaker 1: to end because we've been We've been talking for a
Speaker 1: willing time. Is there anything you want to to leave on?
Speaker 1: I think we cut somewhere we covered. I think it
Speaker 1: was a super productive interview. I mean, I don't confrontation.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times results in like you know, understanding.
Speaker 1: I think it was fine, yeah, correct, listen, I okay,
Speaker 1: when I the fine, sometimes I say a little snooty
Speaker 1: remarks or whatever. I do not think less of women
Speaker 1: at all. I do think that that women are better
Speaker 1: creatures than men in a sense. Okay, I don't want
Speaker 1: to go ahead and again go through this again. The
Speaker 1: bottom line is I am not trying to be a
Speaker 1: jerk for comic sake. I believe the ship that I believe.
Speaker 1: Maybe if if you analyze it a little bit, it's
Speaker 1: not as misogynistic as it sounds. But I never meant
Speaker 1: to come across as a fake or as someone that
Speaker 1: doesn't like women. That's what I was basing the women
Speaker 1: thing off of previous things that you have said, and
Speaker 1: and just it would make sense if you grew up
Speaker 1: in a house where your mom was treating you differently
Speaker 1: because you were a boy. Like It's not I'm truly
Speaker 1: interested to see where that's coming from. But I mean,
Speaker 1: just no, it's just it was just set up an
Speaker 1: alarm because for me, like the thing that will always
Speaker 1: set me off is when someone is not being who
Speaker 1: they like who I know that they can be, or
Speaker 1: like things. And it's like, yeah, the vulnerable you could
Speaker 1: have been a fake version of you, But I don't
Speaker 1: think that it was, and I really hope you don't
Speaker 1: think I was being fake with you this interview. Now,
Speaker 1: just putting on errors in the beginning. I think we
Speaker 1: certainly got someplace that you told your story, and I
Speaker 1: think it's interesting, and you know you're coming on. We know.
Speaker 1: We knew that a lot of our views weren't aligned,
Speaker 1: and that's totally fine. I think it's I find it
Speaker 1: more interesting to talk to people with different views. It's
Speaker 1: just you know, i'd like to talk to about it.
Speaker 1: I only got on an equal level. Well, this was nice.
Speaker 1: Did you have fun? I did. I really did enjoy myself.
Speaker 1: I didn't want it to, you know, but I'm glad
Speaker 1: it did. Hopefully, you know, if there is anything still
Speaker 1: that ship is behind because I have no animosity towards
Speaker 1: either of you. Apparently apparently apparently come on, I really don't,
Speaker 1: but I'll play the game. You know when we love
Speaker 1: causing a start. Oh I never said that I didn't
Speaker 1: like causing a start. It's my favorite thing. Oh good,
Speaker 1: thanks for telling me. Now you knew that. All right,
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