Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast. He's actually three kids in
Speaker 1: a trench coat. Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas. That comes to you from
Speaker 1: a virtual room filled with some heroes. Greg Rosenthal back
Speaker 1: from vacation, Mark Sessler, boys, I would love the trench
Speaker 1: coat scenario. I would be at the bottom um supporting
Speaker 1: my two smaller campadres. Then it just becomes who's the
Speaker 1: head of the trench coat and who's like the from
Speaker 1: the groin to the chest of the trench coat. It
Speaker 1: gets tricky. That's a tough spot to be. Well, I
Speaker 1: think it's obvious. I mean, no offense to Mark, but
Speaker 1: I'm clearly the lightest, so um, probably by a good amount.
Speaker 1: So I think the lightest goes on top. You do
Speaker 1: it like snowband style. I mean, I just think because
Speaker 1: if if he weighs you know, um significant, you know,
Speaker 1: well you gotta have twenty pounds on me at least,
Speaker 1: which you know, you're a bigger man, You're you're a
Speaker 1: more masculine man. Mark is really toned up, I feel
Speaker 1: like in the great shape, but but that muscle weighs
Speaker 1: more than than skin and bones. Like I mean, I
Speaker 1: think you're you're overcomplimenting my body, um, Greg. And but
Speaker 1: also secondly i'd say that is it a stunner. I've
Speaker 1: drawn the absolutely worst assignment um in this in this
Speaker 1: uh fantasy of dance that I'm in the I'm literally
Speaker 1: in the middle of Dann and Greg's body. That's what
Speaker 1: I've returned to from a Dan is pretty bad too.
Speaker 1: I'm not getting the top is you get the face
Speaker 1: time and you don't have anyone on top of you?
Speaker 1: All right? How you doing, Mark? I'm doing all right.
Speaker 1: I will say, Um, that's something that occurred that happened
Speaker 1: to me on my vacation. I got the worst sunburn,
Speaker 1: uh that I've received in probably twenty years as a human,
Speaker 1: and underneath the shirt that I'm wearing, Um, it's it
Speaker 1: hurts to even have off touching my body right now.
Speaker 1: So uh, you know, I'm just gonna soldier through. I
Speaker 1: had a similar situation in Mexico. Um very white, like
Speaker 1: really white, like um the Irish heritage of me white
Speaker 1: across my torso. So it's like, all right, today will
Speaker 1: be today. I'll lay in the sun a little bit
Speaker 1: and I'll try to get rid of this farmer's tand
Speaker 1: that I have, and so I took in retrospect, I
Speaker 1: learned this. Um. I took some lotion that was by
Speaker 1: the pool and just kind of did like almost like
Speaker 1: a z um across my chest. And then a day later,
Speaker 1: my entire like torso, was red except for this one
Speaker 1: streak of where I put motion. So I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't totally nail the application of the sunscreen in retrospect. No,
Speaker 1: mine is more like um, like a wartime scud missile
Speaker 1: just landed on my upper body. So right, problematic, A
Speaker 1: little touch and go, all right, good to see you guys,
Speaker 1: Nice to be together. Yeah, bad week, bad week in
Speaker 1: the States. It's one of those times I think of
Speaker 1: like our foreign listeners and they I almost like feel
Speaker 1: like they're rightful condemnation on just on us and not
Speaker 1: matter that it's us, but it's it is us. I
Speaker 1: spent some I gave the boys like extra attention the
Speaker 1: last few days after what happened in Texas, and like
Speaker 1: what you're saying, like upset and also piste um that
Speaker 1: this happens at all, that a large segment of our
Speaker 1: population thinks the solution to this is to give more
Speaker 1: guns to people rather than you know, common sense gun
Speaker 1: reform and to that theory that uh so we have
Speaker 1: as a group six beautiful children, seven really when you
Speaker 1: count Link and through West and the Keys, so you know,
Speaker 1: thinking about them and just you know, maybe this podcast,
Speaker 1: as it has been for us in the past, and
Speaker 1: we've heard from the listenership it's a distraction, um and
Speaker 1: a good get to talk about football and hang out
Speaker 1: and joke around. But yeah, that has been kind of
Speaker 1: a really depressing and really horrifying backdrop to this week
Speaker 1: for all of us in this country. And Greg nailed
Speaker 1: it's it's it's the specific American problem. And I do
Speaker 1: think that if you have not lived here and you're
Speaker 1: looking at how the whole thing has been handled, it's baffling.
Speaker 1: And if you're a parent or you're anyone like I
Speaker 1: think it's completely against what America claims to be, like
Speaker 1: America exceptionalism, that when our kids go to school, like
Speaker 1: there's this little thing in your head thinking like that
Speaker 1: should be like a place where you where they go
Speaker 1: off and they learn and they learn to socialize and
Speaker 1: grow and they're fine, and instead there's this sort of
Speaker 1: draped um feeling of anxiety and in fear around that,
Speaker 1: like especially in bigger cities where we are too or
Speaker 1: but it's all over the place, it's smaller towns. So
Speaker 1: it is a dilemma that doesn't have a quick solution
Speaker 1: because a big chunk of the country um has turned
Speaker 1: it into something completely illogical. My neighbor is his wife
Speaker 1: is this kindergarten teacher, and he was telling me yesterday
Speaker 1: we're talking that part of her duties as a teacher
Speaker 1: now is a summer training course where you learn how
Speaker 1: to um deal with bullet wounds and that you have
Speaker 1: to go knuckle deep into the wound to keep the
Speaker 1: blood um from spurting out of hypothetically a child. So
Speaker 1: that that's kind of it's it's all, it's all. It's heavy,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a real bummer to think about. So
Speaker 1: I just I don't know if Greg, if you had
Speaker 1: something else to add, but I'm with you what you
Speaker 1: said about like I'm all first sports being a distraction.
Speaker 1: I've been enjoying the Celtics and these playoffs, like I
Speaker 1: hate I hate more than anything, Like like the emotion
Speaker 1: that I hate in myself the most is like anger,
Speaker 1: Like when you just have sort of like a little
Speaker 1: bit of uncontrollable, Like that's the thing I hate the most.
Speaker 1: And I think like a lot of people have been
Speaker 1: feeling that this weekend. That's not a healthy feeling to
Speaker 1: be feeling all day. Um So I'm all. I'm all
Speaker 1: about sports being a distraction that is a health that
Speaker 1: is a healthy thing to have in your life. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get into today's show coming up um on around
Speaker 1: the NFL we will you know this was Mark while
Speaker 1: you were gone. Incredible moment in the history of the show.
Speaker 1: Maybe my favorite moment in history of the show is
Speaker 1: during a conversation, Greg in an incredulous manner, uh uttered
Speaker 1: this phrase, what what what? What? What? What? And I
Speaker 1: immediately said grave Digger, put that in the file. That's
Speaker 1: a segment idea, And I was able to wait like
Speaker 1: a full seven days before rolling it out as a segment.
Speaker 1: So we will debut on a t N What What
Speaker 1: What Why? What What? And it's one of those segments
Speaker 1: that we do have occasionally where we build we build
Speaker 1: it up backwards. Here's the name of the segment. Okay,
Speaker 1: what is this about? And most of our segments, a
Speaker 1: sneaky amount of our segments that he he number one
Speaker 1: creates one of the classics sound drops in the show,
Speaker 1: but it morphs into a productive way, uh, to build
Speaker 1: out a happy listening experience for the listeners. Potentially we
Speaker 1: haven't done the segment yet. Maybe that's it could be
Speaker 1: a disaster and in that case we will pin it
Speaker 1: on Greg and that will bring me personal relief. But
Speaker 1: before that, let us do some news. See, the hardest
Speaker 1: thing for me was leaving the life. I still love
Speaker 1: the life, and we were treated like movie stars with muscle.
Speaker 1: We had it all just for the asking dah bummer
Speaker 1: of a week got a little worse when we learned
Speaker 1: that Ray Liotta and that, of course, from his iconic
Speaker 1: portrayal of Henry Hill in Good Fellas by Martin Scorsese,
Speaker 1: he passed away. Leota did at the age of sixty seven,
Speaker 1: while shooting a movie in the Dominican Republic. Died in
Speaker 1: his sleep. You know seven is too young, but that
Speaker 1: you know, shooting a movie in the Dominican Republic, you
Speaker 1: go to sleep and don't wake up. All right, He's
Speaker 1: had a amazing career. I would say Mark that Good
Speaker 1: Fellas might be my favorite movie ever. Like if someone
Speaker 1: says you have to watch one movie. You get one more.
Speaker 1: You're on death row, all right, get one more movie.
Speaker 1: I will pick Good Fellas. I think I couldn't disagree.
Speaker 1: I mean, if someone put that out there and said
Speaker 1: it was their favorite, um, absolutely, it's definitely in my hovers,
Speaker 1: in my top ten. Um. I think Leoto was one
Speaker 1: of the more memorable faces of actors around. I mean
Speaker 1: it's just like he and also the way he looked
Speaker 1: when he was young, in the way he looked in
Speaker 1: his fifties and sixties, he just became more rarely odious.
Speaker 1: So it's like I'm with you on that he was shoeless.
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson and Field of Dreams as well, he was
Speaker 1: much younger, So, um, you could do it all well,
Speaker 1: if you're one of those people that almost was embarrassed
Speaker 1: that they had never seen Good Fellas and waited until
Speaker 1: your forties to do it, which was me last fall,
Speaker 1: still totally worth it and I want to see it again,
Speaker 1: So like, don't be that embarrassed, just get just go
Speaker 1: do it and you'll enjoy it absolutely, all right. Ray
Speaker 1: Leota dead at the age of sixty seven, Shine on, buddy,
Speaker 1: all right, let's get into the news Colin Kaepernick. He
Speaker 1: worked out for a team. He actually worked out for
Speaker 1: a team. This has not happened you because I know
Speaker 1: you're thinking yourself, Well, Pete Carroll has talked about maybe
Speaker 1: working out Colin Kaepernick fourteen times in the past, you know,
Speaker 1: ten years or however long he's been out of league.
Speaker 1: He's been out of the league since two thousand sixteen.
Speaker 1: But they never worked him out. But you know who
Speaker 1: has the Raiders. Ian rapp Report reported Thursday that indications
Speaker 1: are that the workout went well. Kaepernick impressed the team
Speaker 1: during the Wednesday work out. He hasn't played in five
Speaker 1: years now. Um. He did have a free agent visit
Speaker 1: with the Seahawks in May, uh and through for NFL
Speaker 1: scouts in front of NFL scouts during halftime at a
Speaker 1: Michigan spring game in April. But this is a real
Speaker 1: tangible step. We'll see if it goes anywhere. Greg, I'm
Speaker 1: optimistic it will. Um, I've been hoping this could happen.
Speaker 1: That that Mark Davis of all owners helped to make
Speaker 1: it happen isn't surprising. He's talked openly that he's told
Speaker 1: his coaches over the years the last few years that
Speaker 1: if look, if they wanted to bring on Kaepernick, Uh,
Speaker 1: he would totally support that. Josh McDaniels has has you know,
Speaker 1: liked working with mobile quarterbacks over the years. And then
Speaker 1: most importantly, there there's a spot there. I mean, you
Speaker 1: got Nick Mullins is uh is in the roster. Who
Speaker 1: am I forgetting is their backup quarterback Mark Jared Stidham,
Speaker 1: who they just traded for. I mean, let him go
Speaker 1: compete against those two guys. And see, I'm not as
Speaker 1: like optimal. You know, he's thirty four years old, these
Speaker 1: missed five or six years. I'm not optimistic like Mike Florio,
Speaker 1: my old boss was like, oh, he could come in
Speaker 1: an upgrade like three or four starting teams. I don't
Speaker 1: know about that. But you want to let him go
Speaker 1: compete against Jared's Stidham and Nick Mollins, I think you'd
Speaker 1: have a real shot here to upgrade their backup quarterback spot.
Speaker 1: And uh, and I think that would be great for him,
Speaker 1: great for the Raiders, great for the league. I mean
Speaker 1: there is a part of me that you know, when
Speaker 1: I look at the team doing this, and I look
Speaker 1: at the chaos that surrounds Mark Davis on some level
Speaker 1: that it it deflects from some of that UM. But
Speaker 1: you're right, he came out in favor of this, and
Speaker 1: there have been a lot of teams and coaches here
Speaker 1: and there that have said we'd be open to this. UM, sure,
Speaker 1: we we think Colin Kaepernick can play, but there's been
Speaker 1: no action. So it tells you where the NFL is.
Speaker 1: And I think that their NFL coaches in general, um
Speaker 1: are hyper allergic to distraction and they are often much
Speaker 1: more um of the mindset that others were. That what
Speaker 1: Kaepernick did. Not all coaches, but there are a lot
Speaker 1: of them out there that are not as in favor
Speaker 1: of Kaepernick's protests. Back in the day, the NFL was
Speaker 1: totally behind the curve on that when it happened, and
Speaker 1: here we are. There's actually a football side to this.
Speaker 1: And I mean, you can't think of too many quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that take a five year hiatus and then return to
Speaker 1: the league. I mean, like Steve de Berg weird weirdly
Speaker 1: did it. He retired ninety three and came back at
Speaker 1: the age of forty four for that Randall Cunningham Falcon's
Speaker 1: team and and actually started a game. But this, this
Speaker 1: is a typical from a football side. But it also
Speaker 1: does matter because why aren't this Why isn't a team
Speaker 1: like the Seahawks looking at Kaepernick now because I think
Speaker 1: he's too juicy potential wise to sit behind what they
Speaker 1: have at quarterback. That's not true with the Raiders. I
Speaker 1: think there's no threat to Derek Carr's job this year
Speaker 1: with Kaepernick sitting at the backup position. But he's always
Speaker 1: gonna be that guy that you think about, what if
Speaker 1: Kaepernick got went to old Kaepernick levels, what could he
Speaker 1: do for you? It's funny because like, uh what Florio
Speaker 1: said that he could instantly upgrade teams? All right? I
Speaker 1: remember it was kind of a point of contention on
Speaker 1: this podcast that Chris Wesling used to talk about, like
Speaker 1: Kaepernick wasn't much of a player by the time all
Speaker 1: this happened, Uh, the kneeling for the National Anthem to
Speaker 1: protest racial injustice. He was like a borderline starter. He
Speaker 1: was like he was on that list of like you,
Speaker 1: probably he was below the Dalton scale, but he was
Speaker 1: better than probably eight starters in the league. People sometimes
Speaker 1: want to think that the Kaepernick who left was the
Speaker 1: guy that led the forty niners to the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: but he did lose ten of eleven starts for a
Speaker 1: bad Niners team in his last season in the league.
Speaker 1: So I think there is the idea that even like
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, that he would be in there and be
Speaker 1: a more attractive option. I'm not necessarily sold on that.
Speaker 1: I don't know what Kaepernick has because, like we're saying,
Speaker 1: he hasn't played in forever now, and really it's not
Speaker 1: his fault, but that's just the reality of the situation.
Speaker 1: I'm just happy to see it's mat row role from
Speaker 1: last year. You know, I know it's a difference. I'm
Speaker 1: just happy to see someone a team actually, like you're saying,
Speaker 1: Mark took an action instead of talk talk talk about
Speaker 1: how you would be willing to do it. Okay, whatever.
Speaker 1: In other news, Kyler Kyler Murray Um still wants a contract.
Speaker 1: He put the Cardinals back onto his Instagram as I understand,
Speaker 1: but I have not checked. I have to be honest
Speaker 1: with you on that, Um. But it's still lingers about
Speaker 1: what his status is with the Cardinals, um, whether they
Speaker 1: will pay him, if they don't pay him, will he
Speaker 1: show up for mandatory mini camp and training camp. Well,
Speaker 1: Steve Kime, the Cardinals GM appeared on the Pat McAfee
Speaker 1: show this week and he was asked about Murray's contract
Speaker 1: extension and the possibility it gets done. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think it's a timing thing, Pat. It's it's
Speaker 1: you know, every quarterback that's done it before has done
Speaker 1: it from anywhere from July to September, and no different
Speaker 1: for us. I mean, I have to get prepared for
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. That requires a lot of hours of
Speaker 1: tape watching free agency at the same time, and it's
Speaker 1: it's it's not easy, so your time is really taken
Speaker 1: up in a lot of different directions and you have
Speaker 1: to prioritize it. And we know that he's under contract
Speaker 1: for another year and also the fifth year option, and
Speaker 1: he is our future. We feel that way strongly, and
Speaker 1: I feel like we'll be able to get something done
Speaker 1: this summer. Okay, I think something happened here. We talked
Speaker 1: about it, and as someone who does follow Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: at k one on on Instagram, because I just figured
Speaker 1: we're gonna get news Cardinals jerseys all over this Instagram
Speaker 1: now a lot of pictures. Something happened at some point
Speaker 1: where everyone got confident and my guesses it was a
Speaker 1: good contract offer from the Arizona Cardinals to Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: that after that, even though he's skipping O t A
Speaker 1: s um calmed the temperature of everything going on and
Speaker 1: like whether that was the first offer, the second offer,
Speaker 1: whatever it was, it felt like after that point both
Speaker 1: sides have been very confident. For him to say I'm
Speaker 1: expecting it to happen, I mean, I just feel like
Speaker 1: it is happening and it in. He's not wrong, Steve Kim,
Speaker 1: that is is these usually happened in junior ju lot.
Speaker 1: Is that how you procure all of your NFL news?
Speaker 1: You follow literally everyone on Instagram, then just scrolled doom
Speaker 1: scroll through the NFL sound He is the only player
Speaker 1: I follow now because I just thought when he unfollowed,
Speaker 1: I was just like, well, this is gonna be a
Speaker 1: story this offseas But like, you don't have to follow
Speaker 1: him to get the news on his Instagram efforts, because
Speaker 1: it's gonna be everywhere as soon as he does it.
Speaker 1: But how do I know when he's in a video
Speaker 1: game tournament, which is somewhat regularly, I would say that's
Speaker 1: not followed us closely by the national media, And think
Speaker 1: and I think you're right, Gregg. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's just been a visible sort of vibe shift to
Speaker 1: all of this because we're not that far removed from
Speaker 1: you know, anonymous and vague voices coming from inside the building, uh,
Speaker 1: talking about Kyler Murray's video game obsession and maybe a
Speaker 1: missing DNA chip. When it came to his leadership, and
Speaker 1: he came into the off season with a terrible resume
Speaker 1: from this past year, this past campaign to argue for
Speaker 1: new money. I mean, they floundered down the stretch. I
Speaker 1: know he had an ankle injury to some degree, but
Speaker 1: the playoff game was about is uninspiring from a quarterbacks
Speaker 1: angle that you could imagine. Then it's like, here's Eric
Speaker 1: Burkhardt putting out long, overly long Russian novel messages on
Speaker 1: of course he's baked into the story. Why why does
Speaker 1: it need to wait till July. I don't know why
Speaker 1: that's the case um in today's NFL, but I do
Speaker 1: feel like if you hear Michael Bidwell the owner and
Speaker 1: then it then they you know, they contract extend the
Speaker 1: GM and the coach. The Kyler Murray fits the scheme
Speaker 1: in theory, it just seems like this is happening, we're
Speaker 1: just waiting on it. I would I would temper that
Speaker 1: by saying, if you're a Cardinals fan, don't get too
Speaker 1: comfortable with that being the way this is going, because
Speaker 1: there's also like this window here where actions don't need
Speaker 1: to actually happen right now. And if they do start
Speaker 1: negotiating later in the summer and it's not going well
Speaker 1: and all we've heard is that they're pretty far apart
Speaker 1: at this point, maybe things take a turn very quickly
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden that Instagram feed Greg hot
Speaker 1: off the presses again and you're the first one to
Speaker 1: get it. You're right, You're there. There will be drama
Speaker 1: at some point, most likely, and we will um talk
Speaker 1: about it, just like the drama that we missed when
Speaker 1: you debuted the old zeus Er neon signed by Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you think? Mark wasn't here? I was curious
Speaker 1: to you, especially what you thought about the old Juicer
Speaker 1: neon sign. As I I go away, Dan Hansis leaves
Speaker 1: permanently and the old Zeuser takes over kind of like
Speaker 1: a uh situation where I need to go away, like
Speaker 1: I'm no longer Madonna CHICONI I'm just Madonna, right right. Um,
Speaker 1: I think that you would think that I would be
Speaker 1: critical of it. Um, I have to be honest. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't quite read it first. But now that I
Speaker 1: know what it is, it I you know, work for you.
Speaker 1: Go to the op Thomas please Mark. Now I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't really and it does this. So it does this,
Speaker 1: it's now blasting. I'll give you this, Dan, You're you've
Speaker 1: You've bought into it in a in a very convincing way.
Speaker 1: So for you, Um, it's your choice. I'm happy for you.
Speaker 1: I mean, do it. Yeah, I guess I did in
Speaker 1: a way. My brother bought it for me. But I
Speaker 1: am hanging it. So ultimately, I am agreeing that I'm
Speaker 1: moving forward with this as part of my brand. And
Speaker 1: also that was given to you as a gift, where
Speaker 1: old jus Er was something that you gave yourself. So
Speaker 1: I actually liked the idea that it came from a
Speaker 1: loved one or one that cares about you. Did Kevin
Speaker 1: danger Hands is my brother, um, right near the top
Speaker 1: of the list of the loved ones, So sure that matters.
Speaker 1: Here's Here's what I don't love is the image of
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler driving down the four oh five listening to
Speaker 1: Matt Moroney Smith on the radio, and he can't see
Speaker 1: what's fifteen feet in front of him. I don't know
Speaker 1: anyone um who needs and I check more than you. Mark,
Speaker 1: you got to wear the dreg. I wear glasses when
Speaker 1: I drive usually. That's most point. Most often, didn't know
Speaker 1: that you can't tell me Mark that I mean, forget
Speaker 1: about Greg's background. It's a it's a mess back there
Speaker 1: right now. But your background, I like, but what if
Speaker 1: you put like a quiet storm back there and even
Speaker 1: had some type of like graphic where it's like rainfall
Speaker 1: coming down and like a neon. Wouldn't that be pegged
Speaker 1: to sort of a copycat move at this point? Had
Speaker 1: I done that two weeks ago, that you're right, that
Speaker 1: would have been sees the moment. But if I go
Speaker 1: and get the same neon um embroidered sign that you have,
Speaker 1: it just looks like I'm kind of just get stepping
Speaker 1: and getting into the line right. And then background right
Speaker 1: now has a you know, Canadian public access feel it
Speaker 1: just needs something. Mine is like a public protest that
Speaker 1: we need to be in the Chris Wesley podcast studio
Speaker 1: whenever possible. So I'm gonna put in minimum into this
Speaker 1: home idea. That's how you spur action. I like it
Speaker 1: all right. Let's hold up right here. We'll take a
Speaker 1: quick responsible break and be back with more news. In
Speaker 1: other news news, let's get into the real nitty gritty
Speaker 1: on this um news day. The NFL and NFL Players
Speaker 1: Association recently agreed upon new rules for the season, notably
Speaker 1: pertaining to injured reserve and players having to miss a
Speaker 1: minimum of four games before they can return. Micro Garfullo
Speaker 1: reported Wednesday evening, players designated for return from the reserve
Speaker 1: slash injured or reserve slash non football injury slash illness
Speaker 1: lists are eligible to come back after four games have
Speaker 1: elapsed since the date was placed on the applicable reserve list,
Speaker 1: per the menim Folo. Previously, players were eligible to return
Speaker 1: after three games missed. In addition to changes to injured
Speaker 1: reserved rules, the NFL and NFL p A recently agreed
Speaker 1: to changes for the ramp up period for training camp
Speaker 1: and changes to practice squads. According to rap Sheet, got
Speaker 1: it all in there. You're a smarter football fan now,
Speaker 1: I mean, do you even want us to expand on this. Now,
Speaker 1: clearly you weren't big on this, you didn't have to
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, but then I couldn't get Tommy Lee
Speaker 1: Jones in the show. I mean, first of all, it's
Speaker 1: one of the few names that this show has helped
Speaker 1: create and that has taken off nationally. The Boomerang Boomerang
Speaker 1: I are I hadn't taken off though, and I'm being
Speaker 1: totally honest, I had nothing to do with the curation
Speaker 1: of the name. So I think it was Marco and
Speaker 1: oor Connor. No, it was actually it was it was
Speaker 1: me and Wes and um. I would have to come
Speaker 1: down um definitively on the side that it did not
Speaker 1: take off nationally. It people still people. I hear people
Speaker 1: say it sometimes and uh, you might joke about this story. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's not that it's not that interesting. It's the practice
Speaker 1: squad part of it. I actually believe has a lot
Speaker 1: of impact in terms of how teams operate. The fact
Speaker 1: that it used to be what six to eight people
Speaker 1: on the practice squad and now it's sixteen, and six
Speaker 1: of them can be veterans. It's getting closer to or
Speaker 1: you have like a developmental team and we need to
Speaker 1: develop these football players. We don't have a development mental league. Really,
Speaker 1: you know, you've got us Value're trying, and it really
Speaker 1: rewards smart. It rewards rewards smart teams. I think that
Speaker 1: are going to be able to build guys out and
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna help the smart teams kill the
Speaker 1: dumb ones and boomerang. I R is also very important,
Speaker 1: you know, it is it is. Would you say that
Speaker 1: if you wanted to on balance, um, look at the
Speaker 1: plus and minuses of the coronavirus and all its its
Speaker 1: journey in our in our world, and the fact, well
Speaker 1: the pluses and minuses, I mean, would you say that
Speaker 1: the fact that it gave us, um this new you know,
Speaker 1: they hastened that new I R rule because of that,
Speaker 1: Um they we're getting much more flexibility on that front.
Speaker 1: You now can put eight to these people or you
Speaker 1: have eight slots and one person go on twice over
Speaker 1: the course of the season, that maybe the the whole
Speaker 1: thing was worth it, Like it kind of worked out
Speaker 1: for us, like we got this tweak to the leg
Speaker 1: or no on either side of that. Yeah, I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just move on. Uh. In other news, the Steelers
Speaker 1: have made the move everyone expected they officially named Omar
Speaker 1: Con their new general manager. Rap Sheet reported this on
Speaker 1: Tuesday night. The team confirmed it on Wednesday. UH Steelers
Speaker 1: ownered Art Rooney. The second says the following, I am
Speaker 1: pleased to announce ba ba ba ba ba bah bah.
Speaker 1: Omar has been an integral part of our football operations
Speaker 1: department during his twenty one years of the team, and
Speaker 1: that experience will serve him well in his new position.
Speaker 1: He was the in house favorite to replace the retiring
Speaker 1: Kevin Colbert. The team is also hiring Eagles VP of
Speaker 1: Player Personnel Andy Whitel as the team's assistant GM. Rap
Speaker 1: Sheet reported our old colleague Add Kink of Wall First
Speaker 1: had that, Uh, Greg, is this Eagles dude your source
Speaker 1: within the Eagles? Which that leads you to always root
Speaker 1: for them, to hope that they are the breakout team
Speaker 1: in the NFC. No, based on the reporting, I would
Speaker 1: guess he's one of the Deity's sources and you know,
Speaker 1: power to her. Um wait, is this guy with the Eagle?
Speaker 1: Is he a source or is he a friend? Greg?
Speaker 1: Don't It's a dangerous territory to slip into and they
Speaker 1: have very few sources. I'm not an insider. I would
Speaker 1: I would go more more friend. Yeah, and don't get
Speaker 1: any info. I don't realize the source that matters, the
Speaker 1: most important source you have. You could say it here,
Speaker 1: um our, NFL network inside or Ian Rappaport. You know
Speaker 1: that's right, that's a correct answer. How are you guys doing?
Speaker 1: How's your relationship? By the way, you and rap Sheet
Speaker 1: we haven't We haven't talked in a little while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he sent me a couple of texts. I think you
Speaker 1: guys have to work some things out like that. You're
Speaker 1: introducing this publicly. But there is more to say on
Speaker 1: that than what are we going to say about omar Con.
Speaker 1: You know, I could talk more on the boomerang I
Speaker 1: are um and how owners are che in terms of
Speaker 1: roster sizes. Um. But good for m our Ay our
Speaker 1: buddy Kevin Colbert joined the show. I think this will
Speaker 1: help him stick around. To remember, he was saying like
Speaker 1: he might stick around depending on who gets hired. Now
Speaker 1: now you would think he sticks around. Nice big fat
Speaker 1: contract to us, simply say yes or no on concept.
Speaker 1: I wasn't looking to ambush you at that breaking news
Speaker 1: about you and I in but it just did pop
Speaker 1: in my head and it just came out and it's
Speaker 1: the off season and we need content, and there it is.
Speaker 1: You guys maybe need to patch them things up, and
Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that. It's fine, you know, it's fine.
Speaker 1: These things happen. Finally in the news, speaking of rap sheet, well, firsts.
Speaker 1: First things first, the Combine is staying in Indianapolis for
Speaker 1: the next couple of years, which is a bit of
Speaker 1: a surprise because when we were they're in February and
Speaker 1: the Combine has been in Indianapolis since nine Now, um,
Speaker 1: there were long forms in the media about the end
Speaker 1: of the era of India and the Combine. It seemed
Speaker 1: like that's where it was going. We had people internally
Speaker 1: that we're telling us it's definitely gonna be here. But
Speaker 1: as it turns out, they're staying in India at least
Speaker 1: for a couple of more years. So there's that. And
Speaker 1: then another news, our friend rap sheet, We'll see the
Speaker 1: NFL is discussing, he says, the Pro Bowl week and
Speaker 1: ways to improve it here we are again, including possibly
Speaker 1: eliminating the traditional game and using that Sunday to showcase
Speaker 1: the players in it. Essentially, what are the alternatives? Rap
Speaker 1: Sheets tweet reads Mark, does it feel like this tweet
Speaker 1: is sent by Ian every single year? Now? Yes, and
Speaker 1: I mean exactly. The first thing that comes to mind
Speaker 1: is the Pro Bowl should have been dealt with um
Speaker 1: severely about a decade ago. They've hung on to something
Speaker 1: that I think I liked it when I was a kid, um,
Speaker 1: but that was about the last time. And that well,
Speaker 1: that's the thing, because Goodell says the same thing every
Speaker 1: year too. He's like, the game isn't getting it done,
Speaker 1: and people think that's news, and then just happens again,
Speaker 1: but again, and then I'll come in or somebody will
Speaker 1: come in and be like, well, we say that, but
Speaker 1: it gets the same ratings as an NBA playoff game,
Speaker 1: which is true. And actually I have a new one
Speaker 1: that I've said before, but it's kind of new to
Speaker 1: the mix, which is But my kids really do like
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. They're pretty excited about the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: And who is the most important segment of the population
Speaker 1: to market too, if you're the NFL. The children Tomorrow's
Speaker 1: fans Luke Russer, whom is a Big Bills fan. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's in the political world. His dad, of course was
Speaker 1: famous political uh. Television and I don't know what he did,
Speaker 1: like a nightly talk show, but he was kind of
Speaker 1: a legend in that realm. And up in Buffalo huge
Speaker 1: Bills fan Luke his son. I remember when I did
Speaker 1: the pain rankings on the Bills. I spoke to him
Speaker 1: about his dad and the and um and what it
Speaker 1: means to be a Buffalo fan during their kind of
Speaker 1: down period. But he replied to Iatan's tweet with what
Speaker 1: is a great idea that I haven't heard? And I
Speaker 1: apologize if someone else had this idea, but Luke tweeted
Speaker 1: it out. Instead of a Pro Bowl game, the NFL
Speaker 1: field day, Remember the field days. They're going right down
Speaker 1: the street from my house is the elementary school, and
Speaker 1: I could hear the kids going nuts right now for
Speaker 1: field day a f C versus NFC. He says, winning
Speaker 1: team splits ten million field goal shootout, tug of war,
Speaker 1: forty yard dash, dead lift, QB accuracy drill. I'd watch it.
Speaker 1: I mean, we outside a tug of war. We've had
Speaker 1: versions of that, you know, in the off season for
Speaker 1: a long time, and they're more engaging than the game.
Speaker 1: But I would love to see like tug of war
Speaker 1: and like a giant muddy pit where they're getting very muddy.
Speaker 1: I think tug of war is the key part of this.
Speaker 1: I think we need how many people are on the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, isn't it like thirty five for each we
Speaker 1: need four, We need eighty people tugging on that rope.
Speaker 1: I want to see it. I need to see it.
Speaker 1: Make it happen. Rog Um all right, and finally in
Speaker 1: the news speaking of the Pro Bowl, UM, an anniversary
Speaker 1: is coming up, So it's time now another segment that
Speaker 1: we debuted, Mark, that you missed while you were gone.
Speaker 1: The segment is called it Came from the Internet. This
Speaker 1: is a clip I stumbled upon during preparation for today's show. UM.
Speaker 1: It's well known clip, but I hadn't checked it out
Speaker 1: in several years. And it was Peyton Manning at the
Speaker 1: two thousand two Pro Bowl talking about his kicker, Mike
Speaker 1: vander Jack. And while you'll say, oh, well, we don't
Speaker 1: really need to revisit this, maybe after you actually hear
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, the young superstar of football at this time, UM,
Speaker 1: what he says on the sideline during the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: I would watch the Pro Bowl if these things still
Speaker 1: happened to the game let's listen to Peyton Manning on
Speaker 1: his kicker Mike Vanderjack, who had said some critical things
Speaker 1: of Manning and Tony Dungee, the Colts head coach at
Speaker 1: the time days earlier, on a television interview in Toronto.
Speaker 1: Herey all, I'm out about third pro ball. We're talking
Speaker 1: about our idiot kicker who got liquored up and ran
Speaker 1: his mouth off. So what as the sports world come to.
Speaker 1: We're talking about idiot kickers. Here's ruined kickers for life
Speaker 1: Acres and Minitarry. He's guys are great guys. They've getting
Speaker 1: killed all week because our idiot ran his mind. So
Speaker 1: when I get home out deal with Tony not talking
Speaker 1: about it. It's kind of funny really when you think
Speaker 1: about it. If he is still a team, man will
Speaker 1: deal with it. You know, I arranged the leave seeing
Speaker 1: The sad thing is he's a good kicker, he's a
Speaker 1: good ticket, but he's radiot. I adore it funds and
Speaker 1: burner blowtorch at the highest levels trying to get him.
Speaker 1: I never I didn't know about that part. He's like,
Speaker 1: if he's even still on her team, we'll see about that.
Speaker 1: Like and if you read a little about what happened afterwards,
Speaker 1: Vanderjack gets stuck with him for the rest of his career.
Speaker 1: In life, let's be honest that he was called an
Speaker 1: Adia kicker. He took that very personally. Uh. In interviews
Speaker 1: after the fact, even thought about filing a lawsuit for
Speaker 1: slander against Peyton Manning for saying that he was drunk
Speaker 1: during the interview he gave with the Toronto television station, Uh,
Speaker 1: saying I was not drunk. Uh, and that relationship was
Speaker 1: forever strained. And then Vanderjack once he got he got
Speaker 1: cut by the Colts, who replaced him with Adam Vntieri,
Speaker 1: and then they won the Super Bowl and and then uh,
Speaker 1: Vanderjack had a cup of coffee. This is a good trivia.
Speaker 1: Where did Vantajack go after the Colts for a brief time?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I will guess the Jets very briefly.
Speaker 1: He landed with the Cowboys and struggled, got cut and
Speaker 1: never played again. So at that time he was the
Speaker 1: most accurate field goal kicker of all time. Anyway, So
Speaker 1: there you go. It came from the internet. Uh. He's
Speaker 1: sort of synonymous too with coming up short in a
Speaker 1: big spot, which is that's not what you want. What
Speaker 1: you want big time field goal. So that that was it.
Speaker 1: We do have some breaking news though, Dan, so maybe
Speaker 1: we're not done with news. Gravers a little under the weather,
Speaker 1: so you just got bear with him right now. A
Speaker 1: little different breaking news to the normal, but I like it.
Speaker 1: The breaking news is I had too many options for
Speaker 1: our next segment, so I'm throwing this into the news.
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas is not practicing with the New Orleans Saints
Speaker 1: UM over the last week. Did this fit? What? What
Speaker 1: the segment? What? I don't even know because I'm not
Speaker 1: sure exactly what that segment is. But I think it's
Speaker 1: newsworthy because it's like, uh, what Thomas hasn't played football
Speaker 1: and and and how many years now? It's been a
Speaker 1: year and a half. He's played six or seven games
Speaker 1: and okay seven and two thousand and they had him
Speaker 1: out there and and uh he's still not back on
Speaker 1: the field. Just like I know, you're not supposed to
Speaker 1: overreact to O T s. But dragging himself off his
Speaker 1: deathbed to to chine in here what you got, grave digger?
Speaker 1: He said? Seven in two thousand. Oh, he sounds like, guys,
Speaker 1: are you okay? Get back here are you okay, Bud,
Speaker 1: I'm good. I've got my tea. You know what I
Speaker 1: like about Graving right now? And like he this shows
Speaker 1: a certain amount of confidence. He has legitimate BedHead. Like
Speaker 1: I can tell he's not showered today. And I appreciate
Speaker 1: you just coming on as you are to do the
Speaker 1: job well, especially because we know that you're not alone
Speaker 1: there in Texas. Here, I assume you're staying at your
Speaker 1: parents house. Okay, so that's right, um, and you brought
Speaker 1: um the woman that we've mentioned on this show, which
Speaker 1: you pretend that we don't like to mention on this
Speaker 1: show with you. So the fact that you're rocking the
Speaker 1: BedHead in the afternoon, your parents asked of this woman,
Speaker 1: interesting combo happens coming to meet the parents? Huh yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're you're you're ill in bed and she's out
Speaker 1: having to hang out with them, probably a lot of
Speaker 1: one on two time or do potential daughter in law
Speaker 1: on they listen to our podcast. Just my dad does
Speaker 1: really everything I do. So he's heard, he's heard us
Speaker 1: mentioned your relationship on the podcast before. He has Indeed,
Speaker 1: what's your old man's name, Jay Jay Graver? What's up, buddy?
Speaker 1: Shout out to Jay Graver. You raised an excellent son
Speaker 1: who's really uh, he's done well for himself. Here all right,
Speaker 1: feel better, buddy, Thank you, and it should be there.
Speaker 1: Mike Thomas too. We want to see you play football again.
Speaker 1: But a little, a little concerning. That's that's something that
Speaker 1: is concerning. He missed the entire season, um, and then
Speaker 1: delayed and remember famously delayed his first surgery to repair
Speaker 1: multiple ligments until last June. Um, that's thirteen months ago
Speaker 1: or what is it, Yeah, twelve and a half and
Speaker 1: a half. He had a setback in November that required
Speaker 1: a follow up procedure and now here we are in
Speaker 1: late May and they're taking it easy on Yeah. He's
Speaker 1: almost thirty years old now, so keep an eye on
Speaker 1: that situation. By the way, one more note on Ray
Speaker 1: Liota before we go to break. He also appeared in
Speaker 1: the two thousand and fourteen film Flock of Dudes, directed
Speaker 1: by Bob Castron my friend and throwback podcast, Uh Compadre.
Speaker 1: They need They the studio or the producers of the
Speaker 1: film wanted a big name in there and they looked
Speaker 1: at like who's out there? And Leota was there holding
Speaker 1: out his hand. He said, yeah, I'll work for a day,
Speaker 1: and he delivered like a key monologue. In the third act,
Speaker 1: The Flock of Dudes nailed it walked, never seen again.
Speaker 1: It's a that's a that's a an excellently written and
Speaker 1: performed film. It also had Mario Lopez, so I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say they only got one big name. They they snagged
Speaker 1: at least two, right, I meant for that particular scene.
Speaker 1: But yes, they definitely got Slater as well. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a break and then we will talk about
Speaker 1: things that were not so sure about. In a segment
Speaker 1: called what what What What what what? What There it
Speaker 1: is I I take the segment to mean you're incredulous
Speaker 1: about something that you've you're following in the NFL sphere.
Speaker 1: I think Michael Thomas actually would have fit. He would
Speaker 1: have fit, Greg. I want to help you out here,
Speaker 1: like I actually had Michael Thomas as a potential categories.
Speaker 1: So if you and I were reading the segment wrong,
Speaker 1: we're at least on the same party line. Did he
Speaker 1: take one of your two? No? No, no no, it
Speaker 1: was lowered down my list, so it wasn't even in
Speaker 1: contem because just because it was late that that kind
Speaker 1: of all happened this morning. So I had already compiled
Speaker 1: some ideas, so I just put out there are Mark,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna ask for two, Mark is going to
Speaker 1: have nine ready. And that is an ode to his professionalism,
Speaker 1: Absolutely so, Mark, because you're so professional, Because your list
Speaker 1: was so deep that the one that Greg brought up,
Speaker 1: which was his I guess third best option was probably
Speaker 1: nine or ten for you. We'd like to hear your
Speaker 1: best best option for the segment called he's all right, folks,
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's hanging in there. What what what? What? What? What?
Speaker 1: Al Right, Well I will I'll go here because it's
Speaker 1: a little more football. I think it could have been
Speaker 1: a news item, and um, it stands out to me
Speaker 1: as a little bit bizarre. I I get that we're
Speaker 1: all in the mode of anything that happens at O
Speaker 1: t A is probably isn't that important, um, but there
Speaker 1: is the perception of things. And I think for certain
Speaker 1: positional players being at O tier are not um either,
Speaker 1: like builds confidence and it allows us to see this
Speaker 1: person is super plugged in and they're about team, or
Speaker 1: it just leaves things hanging in a mysterious place and
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Lamar Jackson because it was John Harbaugh
Speaker 1: when asked why Lamar Jackson was not at ot As
Speaker 1: we all know, he's got the contract thing hanging out there.
Speaker 1: John Harbor could have said, listen, I've talked with Lamar.
Speaker 1: Everything's fine, move on. He simply said, you need to
Speaker 1: go essentially and ask Lamar Jackson that. And at this point, um,
Speaker 1: this is not a Kyler Murray situation in my mind,
Speaker 1: because if Kyler Murray's hanging back because his camp and
Speaker 1: the Cardinals want to hammer out a deal and get
Speaker 1: through the earlier drama of the offseason, and then at
Speaker 1: some point before camp they got a big, shining announcement
Speaker 1: and everyone everything's fine, and you move forward with Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: like I think the Ravens want to pay him. I
Speaker 1: don't know what that contract will look like, but it's
Speaker 1: like they've been open to the idea and talking about
Speaker 1: wanting to have Lamar Jackson on the team long term,
Speaker 1: and they built essentially their entire offense and identity around him.
Speaker 1: He has lost his number one ride receiver, he's got
Speaker 1: a bunch of new people around him. It wouldn't be
Speaker 1: he's got us new starting center, a new starting right tackle.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be the worst time for him to show
Speaker 1: up and build a little bit of chemistry. And in
Speaker 1: the end, it's Lamar Jackson that has shown very little
Speaker 1: interest in hammering out a new deal with his own
Speaker 1: you know, he's his own agent essentially. I'm sure he
Speaker 1: has some reps around him that are giving him advice.
Speaker 1: He's hanging back, and I guess I want to say,
Speaker 1: no big deal, because you know, on social media and stuff,
Speaker 1: he's been very pro Ravens. But it just seems a
Speaker 1: little strange to me, the timing of it, the way
Speaker 1: it's being handled, his absence for an offense that's influx.
Speaker 1: I don't love it. I would like to see And
Speaker 1: I know Grap's cooking something up here because he's been
Speaker 1: very um attracted and aroused to this story and Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson's contract plans and and his ability to maybe change
Speaker 1: the way things are done or whatever. I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: Gregg the runway in a moment, but I'd be curious
Speaker 1: how many starting quarterbacks like what has been the participation
Speaker 1: level of the quarterbacks, because if he's very much in
Speaker 1: the minority, I guess I put a little bit more
Speaker 1: into because he does have a h he has some
Speaker 1: new players there and he's why don't just talk about
Speaker 1: right now, like Kyler's not there, tom Brady's sometimes there
Speaker 1: but sometimes not. Aaron Rodgers is not there, so that's
Speaker 1: just but yeah, I'm trying to think of like this season,
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. I would like to have like
Speaker 1: the data, like what is the overall number compared? Almost
Speaker 1: all of them are almost all of them are there
Speaker 1: because you know when someone's not um. But tom Brady,
Speaker 1: for instance, has skipped quite a few lately, like Rogers
Speaker 1: isn't there. Generally younger players, they're they're almost always there.
Speaker 1: If it's not a contract thing. Lamar is like twenty
Speaker 1: or twenty six, you would qualify, I think, even though
Speaker 1: he's an established veteran at this point, don't you think though,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like I don't care about tom Brady
Speaker 1: being there or not, because I don't have to in
Speaker 1: any way question tom Brady's fortune with almost any team
Speaker 1: he's been on. There haven't been long tom Brady. You know, contracts,
Speaker 1: standoffs or weirdly handled contracts situations for the most part,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not I get it like a big chunk
Speaker 1: of it is that they're doing something else to working.
Speaker 1: We know Lamar Jackson's working out too, He's got a
Speaker 1: private QB coach. It's like, I'm not really questioning his
Speaker 1: all in this, but this situation with the Ravens just
Speaker 1: feels elongated, prolonged. Well, I think I think what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, because it's like, is he
Speaker 1: is he staying away because he has an issue with
Speaker 1: the state of negotiations or is it the other thing
Speaker 1: that we've heard, which is he's not really looking to
Speaker 1: negotiate because he wants to take maybe that Kirk Cousins route,
Speaker 1: so he's in no rush. Is there something to read
Speaker 1: into it. It's hard to say right now, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't We know he wasn't thrilled with trading Marcus Brown
Speaker 1: Marky's Brown over to Arizona. But other than that, we
Speaker 1: haven't really heard anything about Lamar Jackson being upset. If
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, right, I don't. I don't put too
Speaker 1: much into it. It's O t A S. I also
Speaker 1: think my whole idea he's trying to change the game
Speaker 1: contract wise might not be right. I mean, that's my idea,
Speaker 1: and that's some people's idea of like what he can
Speaker 1: and should do. I did, I did some digging on this.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone really knows if that's what he's
Speaker 1: doing or not. It probably is contract related to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I think he's waiting for an offer
Speaker 1: and they sent one and he was just like no.
Speaker 1: And you can say that's not negotiating, or you can
Speaker 1: just say your offer wasn't good enough, give another offer. Um,
Speaker 1: it all depends on how you want to play it.
Speaker 1: That apparently is how Lamar Jackson's playing. It doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to worrisome, but it's it's something to keep an eye
Speaker 1: on his relationship between them and the Ravens. Absolutely all right,
Speaker 1: I'll throw one out there. Um listen, you know this
Speaker 1: is trope season. It's all over the place now. We
Speaker 1: talked about little thick boy Zack Wilson. We heard that
Speaker 1: your boy Greg up there in New England. Mac Jones
Speaker 1: has also been he's getting shredded. He's putting on muscle everywhere.
Speaker 1: You're hearing it, right, But the one that's my favorite
Speaker 1: so far this offseason. It's in Big D and it's
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb who said he's added ten pounds of muscle
Speaker 1: during the off season, but also he grew half an inch.
Speaker 1: He grew and Ceedee Lamb turned t I did some
Speaker 1: digging on this. You don't talk about digging, Rosie. I
Speaker 1: did some digging. Ceedee Lamb turned twenty three years old
Speaker 1: last month, and it's nice to be twenty three. We
Speaker 1: all remember what it was like to be twenty three.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of exciting things going on in your life,
Speaker 1: but the one thing that you're not doing probably is
Speaker 1: getting taller by twenty three. And I did some research
Speaker 1: and I um reached out to Dr Alan Watson, an
Speaker 1: opt optimologist, a highly respected doctor that I found on YouTube,
Speaker 1: and this is what he had to say about human growth. Generally,
Speaker 1: most individuals have reached of their ultimate height by eighteen
Speaker 1: years of age UM. Some people are a little late
Speaker 1: bloomers and they can grow into their late teens early twenties,
Speaker 1: but generally speaking, one people are usually the size that
Speaker 1: they will end up. Thank you, Dr wat er Allen Watson,
Speaker 1: discussing the growth processes that affect both men and Wicken.
Speaker 1: Thank you the sign off. He signed off. Dr Watson.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I don't know if you're actually an established doctor,
Speaker 1: but you're giving me the information I need. Wow. Wow,
Speaker 1: what you didn't grow? You're lying to me, You're lying
Speaker 1: to all of the CD I you know, I had
Speaker 1: this high in my list because I mean, I think
Speaker 1: of myself at twenty three, what not of mind suddenly
Speaker 1: going through growth spurt? Two point oh. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: one point oh was that um spectacular to begin with?
Speaker 1: So it's like this would have been an incredible thing
Speaker 1: to happen in your early twenties. Didn't say. He didn't
Speaker 1: say it doesn't happen. He said, it's very unlikely by teens,
Speaker 1: some people do in their early twenties. Here, no, I
Speaker 1: think he meant. I think he meant like twenty maybe one.
Speaker 1: I'm sure some people in the world have grown at
Speaker 1: age twenty three that height. Now, is it statistically very unlikely?
Speaker 1: I guess so. But ceedee Lamb is an incredible specimen.
Speaker 1: Here's here's some more data, and he is an incredible specimen.
Speaker 1: He's one in a million, but he's still human. As
Speaker 1: I made. He made your wide Receiver draft, which the
Speaker 1: listeners voted uh was the best between me, you and Phoebe.
Speaker 1: But he tilted the scales. You missed it. He made
Speaker 1: something ridiculous. Rules in the middle. We're gonna get to
Speaker 1: a second. Once the growth plates in the bones clothes,
Speaker 1: a person will generally not grow any taller. Most females
Speaker 1: reach their full adult hype between fourteen fifteen. Most males
Speaker 1: reach their full height by sixteen. It is very unusual.
Speaker 1: And now this is just from the internet somewhere for
Speaker 1: a person to grow after age nineteen. So you're telling
Speaker 1: me four years later, lamb shooting up. I ain't buy
Speaker 1: that's still very unusual. Does not mean you great? Can we? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well all right, great dry Can we drag you out
Speaker 1: of the urgent? Care to give us the data on
Speaker 1: the wide receiver draft? Um with me? Greg and Phoebe? Sure?
Speaker 1: So Dan one pretty handily um about people voted and
Speaker 1: um on Instagram stories. Okay, that's right, good job and Dan.
Speaker 1: Dan took of the vote, Greg the vote, and Phoebe
Speaker 1: took seven percent of the vote. Well, I'm too nice
Speaker 1: to do a guest of the podcast, but you can't
Speaker 1: put it. Put Kyle Pitts in the conversation. I knew
Speaker 1: she was done once she did that. I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: one thing she did was worry about just building an
Speaker 1: actual NFL team and not worry about the voters, like
Speaker 1: I could have got a J Brown with my last
Speaker 1: vote that are in that I was worried about THEO.
Speaker 1: Her team that she built makes sense to me as
Speaker 1: an end NFL team, and Kyle Pitts is a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: He was just that was that the task to get
Speaker 1: like a true X, A Y, and a well yeah
Speaker 1: were build a room, build a room, yeah, like what
Speaker 1: your your room would be, be complimentary and whatnot. But
Speaker 1: um dance team was great. I'm not I'm not really
Speaker 1: denying it. I I liked mine. I think if he
Speaker 1: hadn't given me a ridiculous rule where I had to
Speaker 1: take Godwin in the third round because I needed a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champ, then my team would have looked a
Speaker 1: lot different. So I did give you the option also
Speaker 1: picking an sp winner, so you actually had two data points.
Speaker 1: No one, No one knows who. Alright, thank you won
Speaker 1: the s um you know, just like Good Morning Football
Speaker 1: finally beat p t I for the best morning show
Speaker 1: or best I don't know what the category was, but
Speaker 1: shoutout studio best studio show. That's a big deal. Um,
Speaker 1: I too feel blessed and honored for this uh and
Speaker 1: humbled quite frankly for this victory. Greg as yours. UH.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this story about Javon
Speaker 1: Kinlaw this week. Either of you guys did see I did? Okay.
Speaker 1: So he got into a little dust up with a
Speaker 1: writer named Grant Cone, who is the son of a
Speaker 1: long time annoying agitator in San Francisco, Lowell Cone. And
Speaker 1: it sounds it seems like I've never heard of his
Speaker 1: son before, but it seems like that, you know, the
Speaker 1: apple doesn't fall far from the tree. This dude in
Speaker 1: the setup. Okay, go ahead. I I well that he
Speaker 1: is the person that it's making me say what uh,
Speaker 1: And let's let's just like listen to it. So apparently
Speaker 1: uh kin Law went up to him a little bit
Speaker 1: at practice. They had a conversation, and then Cohn tried
Speaker 1: to make content out of it. Eventually kin Law ended
Speaker 1: up calling into uh Cone's show. So we have a
Speaker 1: little clip here, a couple of clips. You don't know me,
Speaker 1: you don't know where I'm from, but pec on my name, brother,
Speaker 1: I'm a man just like you what I said about
Speaker 1: bigger than yours. Respect on my name, alright, alright, from
Speaker 1: respect on my name. Brother. Stop talking about me like
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm an animal or something. Brother. I don't
Speaker 1: know why we needed to beep out nuts or balls.
Speaker 1: I feel like you can say balls some words. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like just is hooked up on life support.
Speaker 1: So you got okay FC, you can't say boss, okay um.
Speaker 1: I appreciated ken law last comment there, like, stop talking
Speaker 1: about me like I'm an animal. And I made this
Speaker 1: mistake too as younger, and I probably still do it
Speaker 1: now that sometimes you forget that these are people and
Speaker 1: this guy who I did a little research into what
Speaker 1: he said and things like that, it's it's a bit
Speaker 1: of a stick and he's treating them as sort of
Speaker 1: like characters in the play that he's playing. And uh,
Speaker 1: it's okay if an athlete wants to come back at
Speaker 1: him a couple of times. I've got a couple of
Speaker 1: more clips because it just I was watched the whole
Speaker 1: thing and wait, what did he say that? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: what did he what? The initials? He's basically been calling
Speaker 1: him a bust for a few years and making up
Speaker 1: little like nicknames, how he's always in the training room,
Speaker 1: and just things like that, kind of making fun of
Speaker 1: making fun of the guy over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: Nothing I don't think happened too recently that that was
Speaker 1: like one specific thing. But I think he saw the
Speaker 1: chance of these guys are back at O T S.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stare this guy down, uh and tell him
Speaker 1: what I think. You don't even understand that. Nobody walks
Speaker 1: with your brother, don't want a new job? Nobody walks
Speaker 1: with you? What does that mean? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Would it mean nobody with you? It's pretty obvious what
Speaker 1: it means, and nobody, nobody cares. But also kill shouldn't
Speaker 1: go on the show then, because he's just given this
Speaker 1: guy what he wanted. I know, and I am too ultimately,
Speaker 1: and I feel a little bad about that. But I
Speaker 1: have another clip yet I did. Let's see it again.
Speaker 1: Do you like to come on here and try to
Speaker 1: bully people on the internet? But when I pressed up,
Speaker 1: when we are in person, you shaking like a cow
Speaker 1: with voice lighting in my baby? What's up? What's up
Speaker 1: with that? Do you think I'm scared of you? Am?
Speaker 1: I don't give a you are not. All I know
Speaker 1: is when I walked up on your body, temperature was
Speaker 1: cold as ice. Oh. I mean the reaction from this guy,
Speaker 1: Grant Cohn, after all this happened on the on the field,
Speaker 1: by the way, was to immediately go tape a video
Speaker 1: which I also watched on the field recounting it. And
Speaker 1: it was later that day that kin Law then went
Speaker 1: on his show being like, even when you're recounting the story,
Speaker 1: you're not telling the truth. He looked at this and
Speaker 1: this interaction as like, I'm gonna make it into content.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it into my name being bigger and
Speaker 1: and it worked, but that you don't get any respect
Speaker 1: for that. And that's what makes me say, what what
Speaker 1: what what? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What?
Speaker 1: Not enough? Somehow? No? And at the same time that
Speaker 1: that soundclip is coming from super serious journalist Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 1: So we do live in a murky time. There's no
Speaker 1: way around me. And I'm not saying I'm a super
Speaker 1: serious journalist. I'm just saying, uh, you know, you're getting
Speaker 1: what you deserve here. Of him calling you out, if
Speaker 1: you're trying to use these interactions is just to build
Speaker 1: your name up. That was that was wild. And I
Speaker 1: just want to know what Kila was eating during that.
Speaker 1: I know I saw at the very beginning he had
Speaker 1: just finished stuff in his face with something and he
Speaker 1: continued to chew, and that was that's the kind of
Speaker 1: a not so subtle disrespect move. Also, but I'm like
Speaker 1: the camera's pointing down as he's chewing, and like chewing
Speaker 1: out this guy, like the high high probability of food
Speaker 1: flying out right on the lens iPhone there. And I
Speaker 1: don't think you call um. I don't think Grant can
Speaker 1: call him a friend of the show the way that
Speaker 1: we would move people that guested on ours. It's and
Speaker 1: I feel bad promoting this, and I think the whole
Speaker 1: thing is unfortunate. John Lynch actually got them together to
Speaker 1: to like try to make it more professional the following day,
Speaker 1: like in his office, and I'm sure they're best friends
Speaker 1: and um and and it's all it's all stupid, but
Speaker 1: it's late May, and I just thought our listeners need
Speaker 1: to hear this interaction. I thought it was all right,
Speaker 1: give us one more mark. I I do. I would
Speaker 1: like to talk about a friend of the show, someone
Speaker 1: that um, uh you know, visited with us during Super
Speaker 1: Bowl Week and we were quite enamored as a group.
Speaker 1: Um for good reason. We loved him as a player
Speaker 1: to begin with. But but the person also, and you
Speaker 1: know a lot of these stories that are so annoying
Speaker 1: in May is that so and so is seeing the
Speaker 1: game move slow. Where all this noxious it's just junk
Speaker 1: flots um. But then you get a player that goes
Speaker 1: out and shows you in his actions that he's going
Speaker 1: to completely change his physical body. And I think, Gravedigger,
Speaker 1: if you're well enough, if we could talk about Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert's body transferm nation um this offseason. But it really
Speaker 1: dates back to how he looked when he hit town
Speaker 1: as a rookie graver. Let's take a look. That's him, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, looks like he looks like he just woke
Speaker 1: up at it at home. Just understand that it's a
Speaker 1: photo of him early in his career, right, and he
Speaker 1: looks he looks like build wise kind of like us,
Speaker 1: like you just sort of standing there. But then let's
Speaker 1: go to last offseason, Justin Herbert prancing down Beefcake boulevard.
Speaker 1: This is a picture of him, um at what I
Speaker 1: would assume to be camp but his arms now are
Speaker 1: looking kind of like he's in a Marvel movie. Suddenly,
Speaker 1: but now this is just one year later, very recent.
Speaker 1: Look at him. Now he's on the beach. If you
Speaker 1: can't see it, if you're listening, just imagine they definitely
Speaker 1: can't see it well, but they can go check it
Speaker 1: on YouTube. This is not lost. It's out there, this
Speaker 1: picture of him now standing to it next to a
Speaker 1: much smaller human being. I could be Daniel that he's
Speaker 1: growing beard, so I don't think so. But Herbert has
Speaker 1: gone through a genuine body transformation and he already was
Speaker 1: sort of, um, a bit of a hunk. So it
Speaker 1: makes me say what, what what what what? What? I
Speaker 1: do have one concern because do you ever see why
Speaker 1: does it make you say? What? For the course for
Speaker 1: these guys left for you in southern California. It gives
Speaker 1: anyone hope that you can just take the next couple
Speaker 1: of months and like amp up your own body if
Speaker 1: you need to. He had a very awkward exchange with
Speaker 1: the reporter about it this week too. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you saw there where they were just like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, what have you been doing to work out? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Essentially that was the questions back and forth, and he
Speaker 1: was like asking how much he lifted and it got
Speaker 1: kind of awkward. Well, it's like, that's what this whole
Speaker 1: thing at this time of year is for the guys
Speaker 1: show up and these reporters, um, you know, there's not
Speaker 1: so much you could ask about. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: a little low low saying in the news calendar cycle.
Speaker 1: Right now, it's like, oh, you look a little bigger.
Speaker 1: What have you been doing? What are you putting up?
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, it's not a lot of territory,
Speaker 1: and it is striking. You're right, Mark, I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: that picture. That is I also like this, this is
Speaker 1: beyond my knowledge and perhaps I should be more plugged
Speaker 1: in on such things. But like with the Zach Wilson thing,
Speaker 1: he went from two oh two at the end of
Speaker 1: the last season now he's twenty one, and they asked
Speaker 1: him how did you do it? And he said, well,
Speaker 1: I got a real sweet tooth, so I had to
Speaker 1: cut out all those things, and my mind was like
Speaker 1: struggling to wrap so you could not eat anything sugary
Speaker 1: to put on weight, but you still put on nineteen
Speaker 1: pounds or whatever it was in the course of six months. Well, right,
Speaker 1: you don't want to pounds of like Reese's pieces. Ways, uh,
Speaker 1: you know a lot more. The heaviest I've ever been
Speaker 1: was the one time I actually was like in great
Speaker 1: shape in my entire life. I waited about ten more
Speaker 1: pounds and that was And that was like the one
Speaker 1: time I ever had a body that could compare with Marx.
Speaker 1: Right now, they had this like mountain run where we like,
Speaker 1: we're racing up mountains fifteen miles for a couple of months.
Speaker 1: Physical pearance. All right, I think I'm up. Hey, So
Speaker 1: remember remember this. This is a report from Pro Football
Speaker 1: Talk and the final day of February, for multiple sources,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins planned to pursue Sean Payton to be the
Speaker 1: coach and Tom Brady to be the starting quarterback of
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. The plan was scrapped after Brian Flores filed
Speaker 1: his lawsuit against the NFL, accusing the league and its
Speaker 1: thirty two teams of discriminating against him and other black
Speaker 1: coaches for their hiring practices. Florio later double down as reporting,
Speaker 1: adding more depth, writing the Dolphins privately acknowledged that they
Speaker 1: had contacted the Saints about the possibility of hiring Peyton
Speaker 1: as to Bray. The Dolphins privately acknowledged that there have
Speaker 1: been discussions about Brady becoming a minority owner of the team.
Speaker 1: And then remember this, Flora's also alleged Brian Flora's, now
Speaker 1: an assistant coach of the Steelers, former head coach of
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. For Flora's also alleged ind his lawsuit, that's
Speaker 1: Stephen Ross, the owner of the Miami Dolphins, pressured him
Speaker 1: to tank the nineteen season and offered him one thousand
Speaker 1: dollars for each game the team lost. And to that,
Speaker 1: I say, what what? What? What? What? What? Remember this?
Speaker 1: Remember that this was and is a thing that is
Speaker 1: happening around the Dolphins. Did we forget? Did we just
Speaker 1: move on? As a football Gagner's Sandy, And you see
Speaker 1: this outside football as well. I'll use an example in
Speaker 1: the geo political sphere. Um. Remember I few months back
Speaker 1: when Russia invaded Ukraine, and immediately everyone the immediate consensus
Speaker 1: was this had the potential to turn into a huge
Speaker 1: human rights violation of epic proportions, and it was the
Speaker 1: biggest militarized land grabs since Hitler was involved in the
Speaker 1: nineteen forties and late thirties. And we're all like, this
Speaker 1: is really bad news. But I know this is still
Speaker 1: something that's heavily reported, but you feel like it's kind
Speaker 1: of faded from the national consciousness a little bit um
Speaker 1: on am obviously a much impossibly smaller scale like in
Speaker 1: the NFL. It's like a similar situation with what's going
Speaker 1: off the Dolphins, where that's this a huge, massive story
Speaker 1: that connects directly uh with the Miami Dolphins and their future,
Speaker 1: and this whole Tom Brady story, Like we all everyone
Speaker 1: doing their handwringing, including Baker Mayfield himself about oh woe
Speaker 1: is me? Like I'm not loved by my team? And
Speaker 1: then this report came out that the Dolphins were trying
Speaker 1: to get Tom freaking Brady to take over as the
Speaker 1: quarterback and Mike McDaniels like, oh man, this guy is
Speaker 1: a little different, he's a little outside the box. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be good for this organization. They didn't want Mike McDaniel,
Speaker 1: they wanted Sean Payton. And now you have this potential
Speaker 1: tanking investigation that the NFL wants to head up that
Speaker 1: could lead to god knows what in terms of penalties
Speaker 1: if it's proven, and nobody talks about that. Everyone's just
Speaker 1: like the Dolphins. They they're they're feisty, they got Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on. Why why do? Why do what? Do? What's?
Speaker 1: It's well said when it comes to the Dolphins, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like Stephen Ross is not even like the
Speaker 1: owner under the most fire right now, it's it's Dan
Speaker 1: Snyder if you if you would have to choose one.
Speaker 1: But Roger Goodell was asked about this the last time
Speaker 1: he was taking questions, Um, that was that one of
Speaker 1: those league meetings, and there was essentially a non answer.
Speaker 1: The investigation is ongoing, uh that you know, they did
Speaker 1: that one for Hugh Jackson awfully quick, but this Stephen
Speaker 1: Ross one is just ongoing. And you're right, it's a
Speaker 1: it's an absolutely insane story that both problems of it
Speaker 1: are insane, but especially the florist prong of it. Like
Speaker 1: you want to see this league handle it with respect,
Speaker 1: handle it with some self respect, Like I'm not expecting
Speaker 1: them to boot out Stephen Ross necessarily, but man, do
Speaker 1: something about it. I'm with you, but I yet, I'm
Speaker 1: not surprised on any level. I agree with everything you said, Dam,
Speaker 1: but look at the Jerry Jones situation in that building,
Speaker 1: and it's like nothing happened with that. I mean, the
Speaker 1: investigation is ongoing, but we've already talked about the Raiders
Speaker 1: and Kaepernick today, which sales the Mark Davis and other
Speaker 1: junk that's happening inside that building down the river. Because
Speaker 1: we just pay attention to the newest Colonel. It's partly
Speaker 1: on the viewer, like the consumer, the media, the reporters, everyone.
Speaker 1: It's like that we live in a time where like
Speaker 1: whatever happened yesterday that we're all up in arms about
Speaker 1: UM doesn't even exist a week from now. The Ukraine
Speaker 1: thing is a little bit. That's probably the American UM
Speaker 1: side of us coming into it too. I think we
Speaker 1: are particularly like naval gazing country and and and just
Speaker 1: the proximity right other parts of the world probably have
Speaker 1: not lost their focused on the Ukraine and focusing on
Speaker 1: where we are. But like the Miami also orchestrating a
Speaker 1: double O seven style yacht meeting with Tom Brady to
Speaker 1: discuss ownership, and the ownership happened again this offseason. The
Speaker 1: whole thing, the whole idea, and that necessarily wouldn't have
Speaker 1: involved him quarterback, in which that seemed a little far
Speaker 1: fetched to me, that he would be part owner but
Speaker 1: not necessarily playing or not necessarily playing right away like
Speaker 1: these are. It's one of the wildest stories we've ever heard.
Speaker 1: You're right, and it's it denied. No one denied it.
Speaker 1: It's one of the craziest stories involving the biggest player
Speaker 1: in the history of the sport directly. And what you're
Speaker 1: saying is right, And that's I guess part of the
Speaker 1: point I was making that how is the NFL going
Speaker 1: to handle this right? Are they going to do right
Speaker 1: by Brian Floors? Is the investigation to be fair? But
Speaker 1: also just in general, the Dolphins are spoken of as
Speaker 1: a team on the rise, and it's like until all
Speaker 1: this is cleared up, and I'm like even more zoned
Speaker 1: in on the situation involving the tanking allegations. If there's
Speaker 1: like a smoking gun there that's going to ruin the
Speaker 1: franchise for years in terms of what you would think
Speaker 1: the damages would be in terms of penalties. I like,
Speaker 1: when you're just the rivalry thing comes out, you know
Speaker 1: just a little bit. I mean also, we on our
Speaker 1: show spent a season in like delving into the fish tank.
Speaker 1: I think we were on the tanking thing well before
Speaker 1: these charges. I mean they also spent to see them
Speaker 1: talking about deflated football's. I mean that would drive drive
Speaker 1: West nuts me too. I just was a little quiet
Speaker 1: about it. And and yeah, this is a lot more
Speaker 1: serious I think than than that. And you see how
Speaker 1: that well it's funny too, like you mentioned that. And
Speaker 1: first of all, yeah, the Patriots what cheating I was terrible,
Speaker 1: but like, uh, tom Brady directly involved with that storyline.
Speaker 1: Brady directly involved with this story. Uh not his essential
Speaker 1: participant in everything and some of the more salacious details,
Speaker 1: but in terms of like he's in the center of everything,
Speaker 1: he's like the fort. Like what's more like insane than
Speaker 1: the fact that Tom Brady like destroyed his cell phone.
Speaker 1: In other realms of like how the legal system works
Speaker 1: and people get caught for X, Y and Z, destroying
Speaker 1: your cell phone, for instance, like in a murder case
Speaker 1: would make you look immediately guilty. And it's like I
Speaker 1: like that we're doing this again. No, I mean, but
Speaker 1: he but he's right there like that you don't. We don't.
Speaker 1: Now we move on to the sports side, going to
Speaker 1: come back from the show and just appear it would
Speaker 1: be right now and he would just be yelling. I
Speaker 1: don't know if Wes was a fan of destroying your
Speaker 1: cell phone. I think the rest of it annoyed him.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's just the story. Well Tom Tom Brady's
Speaker 1: got his um, his crypto to fall back on. So UM,
Speaker 1: all right, Greg, do you want to close things out here?
Speaker 1: I will. I'm gonna close out um with yah. Something
Speaker 1: that happened at practice yesterday for the Cleveland Browns, and
Speaker 1: it was Anthony Walker, their linebacker, having a press conference
Speaker 1: and after one question, DeShawn Watson stopping the press conference
Speaker 1: and doing like a supposedly like spur the moment thing
Speaker 1: where he gave some Rolex a Rolex box during Anthony
Speaker 1: Walker's press conference as payment for the fact that Anthony
Speaker 1: Walker gave Deshaun Watson number four and that the two
Speaker 1: men hugged, and it led to a big headline on
Speaker 1: Cleveland dot com. Deshaun Watson presented a rollox watch, fifty
Speaker 1: K donation to his school, and a season of suits
Speaker 1: all to Anthony Walker, and it was this moment and
Speaker 1: they're hugging and he's laughing about and Anthony Walker said
Speaker 1: he was not gonna open the box in front of everyone. Um,
Speaker 1: and it's just like you're not You're not fooling anyone.
Speaker 1: Maybe you are fooling someone, because the the whole idea
Speaker 1: was like, this guy has been a great teammate. Oh,
Speaker 1: I love the way they do this. He waits till
Speaker 1: Anthony Walker, of all people, has a press conference and
Speaker 1: waits for that little moment to have this phony, little
Speaker 1: fake uh thing to show that he's a good teammate.
Speaker 1: And it's like, I know, the Browns fans or or
Speaker 1: people just don't want to hear about Watson's Like how
Speaker 1: come you're not moving on from It's like they're not
Speaker 1: moving on from it either, Like Deshaun Watson is not
Speaker 1: moving on from it. He won't be moving on from it.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be part of his life for a while. Um.
Speaker 1: And so like we we can't either. And part of
Speaker 1: it is this little like phony charm offensive that's like
Speaker 1: a pr strategy that you just can't take seriously. It
Speaker 1: just makes me like makes me like a little sick.
Speaker 1: And you saw his lawyer come out this week and
Speaker 1: start doing the rounds to kind of fight back supposedly
Speaker 1: against the women that um his accusers that spoke on
Speaker 1: HBO Sports. And it's all happening at once, and it's
Speaker 1: just like, come on, man, like no one is, no
Speaker 1: one with their right mind is falling for this uh.
Speaker 1: And it just makes me, you know, it makes me say,
Speaker 1: what am I doing? Like ruining a fun segment? Like
Speaker 1: what what um with talking about the Shawn Watson. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys saw the HBO Real Sports
Speaker 1: with Brian Gubble see Ashley Solace UM, one of the accusers,
Speaker 1: and Sauce and another accuser, Kyla Hayes, both provided details
Speaker 1: of the meetings with Watson UH and both said they
Speaker 1: were offended. They feel offended by the two thirty million
Speaker 1: guaranteed contract the Browns gave Watson. Slace said, it's just
Speaker 1: like a big screw you. That's what it feels like
Speaker 1: that we don't care. He can run and throw and
Speaker 1: that's what we care about. Added Hayes, it was sick
Speaker 1: to me. I felt like he's being rewarded for bad behavior. Well,
Speaker 1: and I mean, but Greg, I know you, I know
Speaker 1: you feel like no one's falling for it. But I
Speaker 1: think on the other flip side is that there are
Speaker 1: a lot of people willing to ignore um huge chunks
Speaker 1: of what's happening at that position to the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 1: and up because of what he can do. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it would be a terrible time to be
Speaker 1: on the social media team of the Browns, where even today,
Speaker 1: right minutes before the show, they're putting out you know,
Speaker 1: on field drills for Watson's throwing this perfect deep pass.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, like I feel really comfortable
Speaker 1: with the idea of walking away from that experience as
Speaker 1: a fan, But there are huge chunks of Browns fans
Speaker 1: that have just said I'm forging on, we want to win, right,
Speaker 1: And I get that. I get that, it's just this.
Speaker 1: I just don't think, like if you watch the interviews
Speaker 1: with the women and and what what they said he
Speaker 1: did and everything, it's like, I don't think there is
Speaker 1: a moving on until there is some contrition and the
Speaker 1: whole idea. And if you watch the clips from like
Speaker 1: his depositions which were part of the HBO thing, it's
Speaker 1: like he's still just lying all the time. He's lying
Speaker 1: and not showing any contrition and not not really trying
Speaker 1: to move on and live with what he did. He's
Speaker 1: living a lie. And that's what when I saw this
Speaker 1: stupid moment in the press conference, that just felt very
Speaker 1: much like living a lie. And it's like, you're not
Speaker 1: going to be able to move on from all of this,
Speaker 1: and you won't because you're gonna be in court for
Speaker 1: the next year and unless you change your mind on
Speaker 1: how you're gonna approach it. Their Browns are really posting
Speaker 1: o T eclipse of him completing passes and things been
Speaker 1: going on. It's been going on for weeks. I mean,
Speaker 1: like other stuff that he did too. I mean there
Speaker 1: they are taking the stance of we are celebrating the
Speaker 1: football side of this, and then they're an impossible situation
Speaker 1: because they sort of have to to I I honestly
Speaker 1: don't know what they could do. It's just the situation
Speaker 1: that they're well, what they could do was not signed
Speaker 1: to Shaun Watson. That's what I mean. I mean that
Speaker 1: the social because what I think they've been especially and
Speaker 1: it's not just them, because we know the Saints and
Speaker 1: the Falcons and other teams wanted this guy in their
Speaker 1: quarterback room. But it's the Browns ultimately got them. Like
Speaker 1: there's a level of obliviousness, uh and obtuse nature to
Speaker 1: not understand the layers that have come with this. And
Speaker 1: now every time you post the Shaun Watson throwing a
Speaker 1: spiral on your Twitter feed and like how beautiful is this,
Speaker 1: there's a large segment of the population that are like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's gross, this is gross. Why is this happening? And uh,
Speaker 1: I don't think they get that yet. And maybe they
Speaker 1: do get it, and like you're saying, they have no choice,
Speaker 1: the people that work for the organization, You just gotta
Speaker 1: move forward. But that's not where the cases, that's not
Speaker 1: where the victims are. It's Uh, I think they get
Speaker 1: I think they get it. I don't think Watson. I
Speaker 1: think Watson is living in a disassociated state to some
Speaker 1: degree about his own reality. But he had no point
Speaker 1: has had people around him willing to help him, like
Speaker 1: face this, because I actually think it's a forgiving country.
Speaker 1: It's a forgiving certainly fans in general. There there's absolutely
Speaker 1: a way he could address this and move on, but
Speaker 1: he's he's not wanting to so miss me with like
Speaker 1: this fake watch bulk right, And to Dan to your point,
Speaker 1: I think that there were I would say at most
Speaker 1: five to ten people that made this decision to to
Speaker 1: pursue him, to sign him, to do to use the
Speaker 1: money that way. I mean, the future money is insane,
Speaker 1: and they they valued that higher than whatever reaction would come,
Speaker 1: including the fact that you've had three people in that
Speaker 1: building that might feel very differently about this that have
Speaker 1: to go along with it. Not your fan base, your
Speaker 1: own kids, the kids of the fans. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's super messy, and we can it's very clear.
Speaker 1: Their actions, which we talked about all episode, tell you everything.
Speaker 1: All right, there you go, that's what bah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Did get heavy there, but you know it's good. It's
Speaker 1: important to talk about it. Can't let the can't let
Speaker 1: this team and this player off the hook. Well, and
Speaker 1: we were we were batting around this segment idea yesterday
Speaker 1: and then this clip passed me and it really did.
Speaker 1: I was just you know, in my room, like flipping
Speaker 1: through Twitter and I and just uh, I couldn't help it, naturally,
Speaker 1: just out of my mouth came, what what what we
Speaker 1: we lost? Justin He's gone now what what? What? What? What? What? Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't need the long version. Okay, thank you, all right.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to look now before we say goodbye. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at the post good Fellas Rayleio to catalog. It's
Speaker 1: a little rough, it's a little touch and go. He
Speaker 1: did Feel the Dreams in eighty nine. He does Good
Speaker 1: Fellas in ninety which is one of the great one
Speaker 1: two punches. Uh and at that point he is the pick,
Speaker 1: I would say, or one of the picks, is the
Speaker 1: leading man of the nineties. Just never really happened for
Speaker 1: ray but he did work steadily. I did like I
Speaker 1: remember the movie Unlawful Entry and ninety two he played
Speaker 1: the crooked cop. I think Madeleine Stow was the female
Speaker 1: protagonist in that film. Sounds familiar, but it's not something
Speaker 1: I've watched in recent days. I don't know dos the
Speaker 1: anything jumped out to you, Mark, he was Blow. I
Speaker 1: think he played Johnny Depp's dad and blow. That was
Speaker 1: kind of an important comeback vehicle for him. Taking a
Speaker 1: look here. Uh No, I mean after after some of
Speaker 1: those since City, some people enjoyed the Wild Dogs. I know, Greg,
Speaker 1: you were a big Wild Dogs guy. Anythink Travolta, I
Speaker 1: know you're I mean that was that was like those
Speaker 1: we've got people. Let's put him in some cowboy outfits.
Speaker 1: They were their motorcycle guys. And then of course yes,
Speaker 1: uh Flock of Dudes two thousand sixteen. Check it out.
Speaker 1: Check out Flock of Dudes. Give bobcast Joan and Jay
Speaker 1: z um Walt, my friend Brian live in some that
Speaker 1: sweet sweet royalty money, some of that mailbox money, some
Speaker 1: of that. Open up the mailbox and you get money.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like sixty cents or whatever,
Speaker 1: but every every stream of Flock of Dudes helps the enterprise.
Speaker 1: We need something like that. We need something just to
Speaker 1: make us royalty mailbox money. Yeah, you know, maybe the
Speaker 1: e true Hollywood story. Um. I don't know if that
Speaker 1: would get a lot of royalties because we wouldn't know it.
Speaker 1: I did mention. I dropped that maybe a commercial, give
Speaker 1: us some commercials. One other thing you miss mark during
Speaker 1: your time away. Uh. I dropped a little nug to
Speaker 1: Andrew Marshaan that we were in negotiations on a contract.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he's been digging since then, let's get
Speaker 1: us I wonder if that would create um an article
Speaker 1: with the seismic uh impact that some of his recent
Speaker 1: ones is. I don't think so, but you neither. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a popular Niche basically handed him a piece
Speaker 1: of thread and he's like, hey, you want to pull
Speaker 1: on this, you want to tug, take a walk? You
Speaker 1: can if you don't, that's cool too, that's good. Like
Speaker 1: looked at the piece of thread and wait a second,
Speaker 1: my phone's ringing. It's dan Orlovsky and drop the thread.
Speaker 1: All right, good app Good to have the gang back together. Braver,
Speaker 1: get well soon you're a real warrior. He'll be back
Speaker 1: on a plane with his significant another on Monday, so
Speaker 1: that's cool. So we'll be back with a new episode
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, So look for it on Tuesday. And thank
Speaker 1: you everybody for listening. We got a bunch of exciting
Speaker 1: things coming up down the pike as we head into
Speaker 1: the summer. So keep listening, keep believing, right, Mark, that's
Speaker 1: the That's what I would say. That is you've said it, well,
Speaker 1: keep keep believing in whatever it is that you believe in,
Speaker 1: and until then, heed the call. M P. The Port