Speaker 1: Be around with the NFL podcast. It's colder than Mattie
Speaker 1: Eyes from the Chris west Link podcast studio. It's around
Speaker 1: the NFL. I'm Dan Kansas Heroes to my left, Greg
Speaker 1: Rosenthal and Mark Sessler. Oh yeah, what's up? Boys? Heroes
Speaker 1: are plenty. Oh yeah, team in with Heroes. Dan had
Speaker 1: a variety of technical issues heading into the show today,
Speaker 1: and I think he's you know when it's rare that
Speaker 1: Dan seems rattled a little bit, a little rattled a
Speaker 1: little It's like a laptop. You know, I'm doing some
Speaker 1: pre show work at the house, is like, let me
Speaker 1: get to the office a little bit early, get ahead
Speaker 1: of things. Get their professional computer doesn't turn on. Then
Speaker 1: I have a backup laptop and then it's like a
Speaker 1: password from like July of two thousand twenty one. Don't
Speaker 1: know that I got I t in the mix. Then
Speaker 1: I got people coming in and saying low and you know,
Speaker 1: you know how it is, Mark, with people doing the rounds,
Speaker 1: people do as they say. It really cut into greg
Speaker 1: My prep time, which I don't like because I like
Speaker 1: you also just don't like to talk to other people
Speaker 1: unless they've had had approved I'm okay with talking to people.
Speaker 1: I do not get a famously um tight the list
Speaker 1: of people allowed into the inner circle, especially very good
Speaker 1: Christmas party. That's different, very different different. That's a certain test.
Speaker 1: They have to be bringing something to the table, can
Speaker 1: be taking things off the table. But if they're not
Speaker 1: bringing anything, if they're just like in the middle, they
Speaker 1: might not get asked backed either. Yeah, it's like and
Speaker 1: if they're sitting at the table, and then after the party,
Speaker 1: like oh where the salt, pep, where a salt? You
Speaker 1: guys see that I had a Tabasco bottle. Here was
Speaker 1: Larry forks and knives. Where were they? Somebody took some
Speaker 1: up the table. They don't come back. They've got one
Speaker 1: chance with you. But that's the thing. I'm a friendly
Speaker 1: person and I'll talk to anybody here in the office.
Speaker 1: But in terms of like hanging, yeah, it's a little tighter.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see you're you with a huge circle, Greg, Like, buddy,
Speaker 1: come hang with me. We've been to your house once
Speaker 1: for your son's like second birthday party, like a prior decade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not taking any shots. I know I'm more I
Speaker 1: feel like i'm more of I'm I'll be happy to
Speaker 1: talk to the In fact, Mark complains about me walking
Speaker 1: around the room talking to too many people here but
Speaker 1: continually and being character assassinated during this. I enjoy many people.
Speaker 1: I like going out, and we used to be there
Speaker 1: all day, every day, even at this time of year.
Speaker 1: Remember that I don't think I'm speaking in a AM
Speaker 1: to five pm. I don't think I'm speaking, But I
Speaker 1: think what God on Mark's radar is that he saw
Speaker 1: that his potential ladder climbing attempts being made. When you're
Speaker 1: glad handing through the news, what's usually like Jeremy Bergman
Speaker 1: and David Eally, that's pretty much who it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: I see Greg in her office for about eight minutes
Speaker 1: a week at this point. So I'm not try to
Speaker 1: time it now lunch at the huddle out. Just time
Speaker 1: it so that you get there right when lunch opens
Speaker 1: and then have a nice, luxurious, delicious taco. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that taco. But first we need
Speaker 1: to deliver a quality podcast to you the listener. Thank
Speaker 1: you for following us all season long. Here we are
Speaker 1: deep and May the last day of May, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna get you caught up to what's going on around
Speaker 1: the NFL. Also, you know, people people want answers. People
Speaker 1: want to know what's going to happen in people. They're
Speaker 1: burning questions and they demand knowledge now, and that's where
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Speaker 1: give us questions. We took some from the internet, we
Speaker 1: have some our of our own, perhaps, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: be asking each other questions about the season. And here's
Speaker 1: the thing, a little bit of a spoiler alert. We
Speaker 1: are answering these questions with the actual answer about what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. So be ready. Don't turn off the app.
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Speaker 1: the download figures. But understand, the information you're gonna hear
Speaker 1: about the season is something that will occur, So get ready.
Speaker 1: And I think for if you're the type of person
Speaker 1: because you sort of said, you know, generalize that everyone
Speaker 1: wants answers, and I think that's true. But for some
Speaker 1: people that maybe the enjoyment of sport is to allow
Speaker 1: the drama to unfold in real time. This is a
Speaker 1: dangerous episode. Absolutely, I would say, yes, this is one
Speaker 1: of the more dangerous episodes because you're messing with the
Speaker 1: time and space continuum, and people are wondering, how do
Speaker 1: you how are you gonna know these answers? Are you
Speaker 1: time travelers? No, it's something like that. It's just something
Speaker 1: we're gonna look into the abyss and the answers will
Speaker 1: come to us. Because we've been doing this podcast since
Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen, we now have all the information experts.
Speaker 1: A lot of people in this in this day and
Speaker 1: age who don't really rely on expertise. They think they're
Speaker 1: the expert, but they're wrong. Thank you. We are the experts.
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's well said. All right, speaking of well said,
Speaker 1: we got a lot to do, news wise, let's hit it.
Speaker 1: Let's hear from a voice that's very near and dear
Speaker 1: to us. Man, I'd love to see somebody like Matthew
Speaker 1: Stafford with with Sean McVeigh from the archives of around
Speaker 1: the NFL. It's the legend Chris Westling And that was
Speaker 1: dated September six, two thousand nineteen, Week one preview, Uh,
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh. You know at that point, I believe Jared
Speaker 1: Goff was a highly productive starter at that time still,
Speaker 1: but Matthew Stafford was going through his Detroit Lions career
Speaker 1: and what season. Was that just signed his mega extension
Speaker 1: and you were all talking about it, reacting to it,
Speaker 1: and that's where that they were supporters on this on
Speaker 1: this podcast, Greg, I thought that you were quite a
Speaker 1: golf guy for a bit of time there. Really he
Speaker 1: had a he had he had a stretch where he
Speaker 1: was talked about the MT when he went to the game,
Speaker 1: it was mostly that he just threw a pretty ball
Speaker 1: that he had that beautiful Thursday night game. But I
Speaker 1: do remember, and this is not anything against you, but
Speaker 1: when we went to Rams camp, I remember talking on
Speaker 1: the site and we were all kind of really impressed
Speaker 1: by his arm strength and just the free and easy
Speaker 1: way in which he threw the ball. I mean, there
Speaker 1: was a time or golf seemed like the guy but
Speaker 1: West to his credit, but what if Matthew Stafford and
Speaker 1: shown they got together. It's a special connection too, because
Speaker 1: I know, Um Keisha told me that that was like
Speaker 1: the last football conversation they ever had. Basically was Stafford
Speaker 1: getting traded to the Rails and uh and she mentioned
Speaker 1: to him, you know what had happened. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: a long talk, but um, but he he was excited
Speaker 1: for her that that her team got such a great
Speaker 1: player and then all ended up with her at the
Speaker 1: SUPERA can't believe the Rams and Bengals played in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. We miss you, Chris Westling. And by the way,
Speaker 1: shout out to Joe whitehead listener who dug through the
Speaker 1: archives and found that I love when people send us
Speaker 1: stuff like that. That's great. We would never have known
Speaker 1: that I remembered. All right, let's hit the news starting
Speaker 1: with some sad news. We and this is for the
Speaker 1: second time in a couple of months now, because we
Speaker 1: lost Dwayne Haskins Uh due to an accident on the
Speaker 1: highway down in Florida. And now we get the news
Speaker 1: that Arizona Cardinals cornerback Jeff Gladney killed in a car
Speaker 1: accident early Monday morning. His agent confirmed this to ESPN.
Speaker 1: The Cardinals released a statement Monday afternoon, also confirming the death,
Speaker 1: which occurred at around two thirty in the morning on Monday.
Speaker 1: Glad He's twenty, was twenty five years old. He had
Speaker 1: signed with the Cardinals in March after a jury found
Speaker 1: him not guilty on a eleny assault charge. It was
Speaker 1: that assault charge and those legal issues that led to
Speaker 1: the end of his run with the Minnesota Vikings, who
Speaker 1: took him in the first round out a TCU in
Speaker 1: but he was released in August when he was indicted
Speaker 1: on that charge. So um his NFL career never got
Speaker 1: off the ground. Off the field issues caused a major
Speaker 1: strain for him. But at twenty five years old, Jeff Gladen,
Speaker 1: he passes away very sad and a passenger. Female passenger
Speaker 1: in the car also lost their life. In other news
Speaker 1: on the football field, Aaron Donald speaking of the Rams
Speaker 1: and the Super Bowl champions He is eight years into
Speaker 1: one of the most legendary careers of any defensive lineman
Speaker 1: in NFL history. Now he's got his ring, remember him
Speaker 1: pointing to the finger after he got the big takedown
Speaker 1: of Joe Burrow. He says he'd be at peace with
Speaker 1: his career if he Rams can't agree to a new
Speaker 1: contract this summer. He's signed through the season, but he
Speaker 1: has no guaranteed money left on his deal. He was
Speaker 1: on the I Am Athlete. It feels like there's a
Speaker 1: missing word there, but all right, I Am Athlete podcast.
Speaker 1: This is what he had to say about the situation.
Speaker 1: Me talking about retirement that would happen to be Wait
Speaker 1: before we want to. I've been saying that since I
Speaker 1: got into the league, I's gonna play eight years and
Speaker 1: be done. I just, you know, that's just what I've
Speaker 1: been saying. It just it just came out down. Anybody
Speaker 1: think that, you know, he's saying, if you want the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl even retired. Now, I've been talking. I got teammates, coaches,
Speaker 1: my family know about this. I said, I'm gonna play
Speaker 1: eight years and now probably be done playing football. But
Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl you get kind of get a
Speaker 1: little addicted to us. I want to go out again,
Speaker 1: though I ain't gonna lae. That's like that experience is
Speaker 1: like no none other. So um, if if if I
Speaker 1: was to play it just to win another super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's still a
Speaker 1: business and it got to make sense to me and
Speaker 1: my family. Mark Donald said that he and the Rams
Speaker 1: probably will work out a deal, but if one can't
Speaker 1: be reached, he won't walk away. Mad. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is different to me than uh Kyler Murray in his
Speaker 1: anti drama wiping his Instagram account. I think Donald is
Speaker 1: being truthful. He's he's in a place of individual comfort
Speaker 1: with where he is in his career. Now do I
Speaker 1: think that a mega deal from the Rams that will
Speaker 1: make him the most highly paid defensive player in the league.
Speaker 1: And the fact that they're sitting right in a wide
Speaker 1: open Super Bowl window probably will have him um inking
Speaker 1: a new deal and sitting pat with the Rams a
Speaker 1: few weeks from now, months from now. Yes, right, he
Speaker 1: said it's about it's not about the money. But it's
Speaker 1: a business. So it's a business, and it's just one
Speaker 1: of those things when you sign a deal that he did,
Speaker 1: and the teams were looking to get guys to sign
Speaker 1: long deals. He signed a six year, hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: five million dollar contract. But it don't add a forty
Speaker 1: million dollars signing bonus eighties six million dollars guaranteed. I
Speaker 1: mean it was more than fair. He signed it when
Speaker 1: he was twenty seven. Now he's thirty one, and now
Speaker 1: he's underpaid. Like his The money that he's making this
Speaker 1: year doesn't make any sense. And teams have to understand this.
Speaker 1: When you sign a guy to that long of a contract, yeah,
Speaker 1: you get flexibility, but you're gonna have him coming back
Speaker 1: after four seasons like he is right now. I think
Speaker 1: he'll get his money. Um, but it's tricky. I mean,
Speaker 1: what's he worth. He's the best defensive player of all time.
Speaker 1: I mean, if he was worth eighty six million dollars
Speaker 1: guaranteed last time, that's pretty double. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: he's worth so much, but he's thirty one, So it's
Speaker 1: a little tricky for them, all right, it's top of
Speaker 1: whatever the top of the market is in that position group.
Speaker 1: He should be the top of it because it's like
Speaker 1: the top, because like, is he worth more than Davante
Speaker 1: Adams and and those guys the receiver contracts? I think
Speaker 1: he could certainly make that argument. I would tend to
Speaker 1: agree more than teach A want more than the salary
Speaker 1: cap is something easily manipulated. But like, what are the
Speaker 1: rams in a tough position here where he wants to
Speaker 1: back up the bringstruck and have a kind of positionally
Speaker 1: chain aaging type contract. How how that position is judged
Speaker 1: in and what he's been able to do with that?
Speaker 1: Is there an impasse? Possibly? I don't think so, And
Speaker 1: I think it's all ultimately a bargaining tactic and Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald will be lining up week one. I saw a
Speaker 1: Brinks truck um during my vacation and the first thing
Speaker 1: that goes through your mind is, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think I could physically pull this off, but how I
Speaker 1: would like to rob it and just take a small amount,
Speaker 1: just take a take a small parcel of money, but
Speaker 1: in a non violent well not just what So you're thinking,
Speaker 1: how would I do it? But yeah, that would have
Speaker 1: to I don't know. I'd have to give it more
Speaker 1: thought than I did, because too sentment is not a
Speaker 1: good um piece of evidence to put out there, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, if you're going to do it,
Speaker 1: this is on record, unless they think because I've said it,
Speaker 1: I won't do it. Now, there's a there was a
Speaker 1: woman who was convicted for for murder last week in
Speaker 1: Washington State who had one point written a blog post
Speaker 1: how to murder your husband, and then she murdered her husband.
Speaker 1: So it's like, that's the type of digital record you
Speaker 1: can leave these days. That blog spot will get you
Speaker 1: every time. In other contract news, the Browns signed David
Speaker 1: and Joku to a four year, fifty six point eight
Speaker 1: million dollar extension includes twenty eight million guaranteed. Rap Sheet
Speaker 1: noted that by the way you and rap sheet ice broken,
Speaker 1: there was no ice to be Um, I don't know
Speaker 1: how that works, the ice to break the chill? What
Speaker 1: is the what is the terminology I'm looking for? Mark, Well,
Speaker 1: things got a little hot between you and this is
Speaker 1: not taking off, and I think you should look inside
Speaker 1: yourself for that. What do you mean not taking off?
Speaker 1: These are this is gonna be a whole narrative. And
Speaker 1: this is the first I've heard about it since you
Speaker 1: last brought it up. Well, I'm asking now that you
Speaker 1: were aware of it on last show I brought it up?
Speaker 1: Did were any steps taken? And this will shock you,
Speaker 1: But that show is the last I thought of it,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure I'm sure they get even less. It
Speaker 1: seems chilly, it still seems a little freezing. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: you said yourself, he's your number one insider source. You're
Speaker 1: gonna before the season gets going in earnest, you might
Speaker 1: want to build a bridge there, because if you build
Speaker 1: a bridge when training camp starts, he might sniff it out, like,
Speaker 1: oh now he wants to be friends with me again
Speaker 1: when I need scoops saying there's other sources out there. Wow, Okay, see, well,
Speaker 1: I think we moved the story a little bit there.
Speaker 1: I think you know you're doing the work of a journalist.
Speaker 1: Stand anyway, and Joeku, according to rap Sheet, is the
Speaker 1: fifth highest paid tight end in terms of yearly average
Speaker 1: mark You've watched and Joko his entire career, former first
Speaker 1: round pick. The money surprised me just because I know
Speaker 1: he's more a guy that has flashed as opposed to
Speaker 1: actually put together a big season. Do you think this
Speaker 1: is money well invested by Cleveland? It's a projection. I
Speaker 1: think that it shows faith that you know, half the
Speaker 1: Browns fan base would say he looks the part. He's
Speaker 1: also been extremely frustrating at times. I will say he's
Speaker 1: been in a system with multiple coaches, up and down
Speaker 1: quarterback play. And when he was you know in twy
Speaker 1: he I thought he made it, took a real big
Speaker 1: step forward last season, skittish again to some degree, but
Speaker 1: there's it tells me that there are a dearth of
Speaker 1: playmaking tight ends around the league. He's getting paid because
Speaker 1: there aren't just that enough of these guys that I
Speaker 1: think the Browns look at David d Joku and say,
Speaker 1: with DeShawn Watson at quarterback, with the year three of
Speaker 1: Stefanski system, that is a tight end friendly system. For
Speaker 1: the most part of less you're Austin Hooper. They're saying,
Speaker 1: we're we believe you're worth the money. I was kind
Speaker 1: of shocked by it. I mean, he's just every fifth
Speaker 1: game of his career, he'll make a couple of plays
Speaker 1: and you'll be like, great is David and Joco? Was
Speaker 1: he demanding to be cut? Like? He has fifteen touchdowns
Speaker 1: in five seasons, So it's not yards in five seasons.
Speaker 1: So that's in average of what Dan seven hundred yards
Speaker 1: in five seasons. It's not fair. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: somewhere between three and four. Yeah, definitely either way, it's low.
Speaker 1: It's um I don't get it. And but it's self scouting.
Speaker 1: They know him better than anyone else. He's it's basically
Speaker 1: a two for twenty five deal. But that's that's a
Speaker 1: lot for that's just got out of the Austin Hooper
Speaker 1: business and they didn't really judge that contract too well.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe right maybe he he's improved as a blocker.
Speaker 1: He certainly adds the versatility that they want. And right
Speaker 1: now he's their number two receiver. Their wide receiver room
Speaker 1: is a mess, right they are. There's this whole idea
Speaker 1: that's like Deshaun Watson's just stepping into like a super
Speaker 1: Bowl ready roster, and that one of my takeaways from
Speaker 1: doing Projected Starter was like this roster isn't the same
Speaker 1: as that was the Browns roster. The offensive line I
Speaker 1: think has more questions than it did, the secondary a
Speaker 1: little thing to me, and the receiver group is one
Speaker 1: of the worst depth wise in the league after Marie Cooper.
Speaker 1: It's just your I think they'll actually add some more players.
Speaker 1: One thing they do have a lot of is cap
Speaker 1: space and money, and that they just spent someone in Joku,
Speaker 1: but they've got more. You could you could imagine will
Speaker 1: Fuller potentially going there. They in o t as they've
Speaker 1: been the only get to bring up will Fuller on
Speaker 1: this podcast, and you can say it and believe will
Speaker 1: Fuller would be an excellent fit with the quarterback that
Speaker 1: they That's a good point. You know, that's a good
Speaker 1: pointer board. It would be a nice pill Beckham Beckham whatever.
Speaker 1: That's just sloppy. I don't know about you know, that's
Speaker 1: not happening. It would be funny though. All right time
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Speaker 1: Learn more upwork dot com. Achem Hicks. He goes from
Speaker 1: a fake team, the Graybeards, to a real one, the
Speaker 1: bucking Ears, a one year contract up to ten million,
Speaker 1: probably not close to ten million, but if he had
Speaker 1: like twenty seven sacks, he'd probably get ten million dollars anyway.
Speaker 1: But he's thirty two years old, Um he has. He
Speaker 1: was a guy that thrived earlier in his career. He's
Speaker 1: had some injury issues, Greg and now he slots in
Speaker 1: I guess will be in the Dominican Sioux spot uh
Speaker 1: for the Bucks unless they decided to bring Sue back.
Speaker 1: But that feels like a nice fit for Hicks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: great fit for Hicks, Great for them. He's someone I
Speaker 1: think would benefit from playing a little less. That hasn't
Speaker 1: been by choice lately. He missed most of the last
Speaker 1: season and most often and even when he played a
Speaker 1: full season in twenty he wasn't like peak Hicks, which
Speaker 1: was an All Pro player. But I think they've shown
Speaker 1: Todd Bowls, especially that they can take these guys towards
Speaker 1: the end of the career and get a ton of
Speaker 1: value out of him. I mean it I'm going back
Speaker 1: to the same thing I keep repeating about the draft.
Speaker 1: It's like Kim Hicks, if he's healthy, he's gonna make
Speaker 1: a bigger impact than most first round picks this year,
Speaker 1: even though he's coming in. I mean, he's gonna give
Speaker 1: you five hundred good snaps. And in the past when
Speaker 1: they signed Sue, they got them for good money. I
Speaker 1: think they got good money and good value. Again right here,
Speaker 1: I like it. I think Sue is a target for
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, although they say they are not interested.
Speaker 1: But if another short coming for that team, that roster,
Speaker 1: the defensive interior, defensive line is an absolutely off a
Speaker 1: flaming bandwagon. That's smart, Mark, I mean the roster maybe
Speaker 1: not so hot. You got the messive quarterback. Maybe you're
Speaker 1: doing a jump in a forward roll off the wagon
Speaker 1: as it goes off the cliff and flames potentially. I
Speaker 1: just think that they're being overvalued because of the what
Speaker 1: they did at quarterback. In terms of the roster, they're
Speaker 1: there are problems the defensive of the other spot. I
Speaker 1: should have mentioned there. You're right, and they I kind
Speaker 1: of think they are. I give them credit for identifying
Speaker 1: some values. I think they will they are one of
Speaker 1: the teams I think are going to sign multiple pretty
Speaker 1: solid veterans on the rest of the office, Um, where
Speaker 1: you're at right now in your rounds divorce? Do you
Speaker 1: have you changed your off season habits? Are you not
Speaker 1: following the beat reporters anymore beyond what you do for
Speaker 1: this job? Are you following the team in a different
Speaker 1: way than the other teams or have you disconnected on
Speaker 1: that room. I dive so deeply into all thirty two
Speaker 1: teams that I don't think that there's anything different about
Speaker 1: the tone of this off season. Very good. That was
Speaker 1: a great answer. It's a great answer, by the way.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the graybeards at the wide receiver position, Beckham,
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown, Jarvis Landry, Julio Jones. Landry landed with the Saints.
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown came out and said, don't play yourself and
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna be on the team. That's like whatever, dude, Uh.
Speaker 1: I still think he'll be in the mix potentially, but
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like he's we do. I don't. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not nervous yet, although his attitude is abhorrent. Julio
Speaker 1: Jones still there. I'm not excited about that I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're the Browns, Like, why wouldn't you
Speaker 1: bring in Julio Jones? Why not draft him in two
Speaker 1: thousand nine, Like you should have to begin with Well
Speaker 1: that was eight Who did they take instead of Hula?
Speaker 1: Well they traded down and took Alex mac who was
Speaker 1: a great center for them, but but in shape. You know,
Speaker 1: they had no answer at wide receiver for the next
Speaker 1: eight years, So it would have been a better pick
Speaker 1: than Alex Mack. As much as much as we like
Speaker 1: Alex Mack. That was Graybeards News and Notes presented by upwork,
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Speaker 1: In other news, the cults, you know, there is a
Speaker 1: lot of selling going on around the cults right now
Speaker 1: about they have solved everything now because they have Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan in two thousand and twenty two. Maybe in two
Speaker 1: thousand nine that would have been amazing for the cults,
Speaker 1: but they've you know, they have this version of uh
Speaker 1: Mr Ryan and Michael Pittman the lone one thousand yard
Speaker 1: receiver a year ago in indianapolish Man. He's like everything's
Speaker 1: in play when it comes to Matt Ryan. No rules
Speaker 1: Matt can pretty much put it wherever he wants, so
Speaker 1: you kind of just catch it, turn and then run. So, Um,
Speaker 1: he's gonna put it where it needs to be. Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: he's got the green light, go, He'll put it there.
Speaker 1: I was worried for a second, um, that you weren't
Speaker 1: using this headline just because it delighted the twelve year
Speaker 1: old boy and me. But now you are using this
Speaker 1: headline just for that reason to thank you wherever he wants.
Speaker 1: You got to think about that as a headline where
Speaker 1: or maybe they did think about that as a headline writer,
Speaker 1: because now I'm seeing like sites like PFF said at
Speaker 1: this quote, if they know it's gonna get reaction, they
Speaker 1: know put it wherever it wants. I'm sure Michael Pittman
Speaker 1: was the way it's circling the internet, but I understand
Speaker 1: what he's saying. I don't know he's in the news
Speaker 1: cycle now. Maybe maybe he came up with this plot
Speaker 1: to begin with. Finally in the news. This happened early
Speaker 1: in the holiday weekend. But um, we got a lot
Speaker 1: of people that wanted our reactions, so let's listen to
Speaker 1: uh And I know we have a guy built rodal World,
Speaker 1: brick by Brick, I myself and my former NFL fantasy
Speaker 1: commissioner for well over a decade. So here's uh, Giants
Speaker 1: outfielder Jack Peterson discussing what happened with Tommy fam A.
Speaker 1: I guess he's a Red he's a Cincinnati read Tommy fan.
Speaker 1: They were in a fantasy league together that involved multiple
Speaker 1: major league players, and Tommy Fan before the game approach
Speaker 1: Jack Peterson and slapped him in the face Will Smith style. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it was about a fantasy football rules dispute. Jack Peterson,
Speaker 1: when approached by the media for the story, did not
Speaker 1: spare any detail. Hit it just in a fantasy fantasy
Speaker 1: league together. Can pause it for one second. I want
Speaker 1: you Greg as a brick by Brick guy, to try
Speaker 1: to really kind of let's parse his words and tell
Speaker 1: me who you think you get to the bottom of this. Okay.
Speaker 1: I put somebody a player on the andrew reserved when
Speaker 1: they were listed as out, and um added another player. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then um uh there's a up message in the
Speaker 1: group saying that I was cheating because I was stashing
Speaker 1: players on my bench. And then uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I looked up the rules and send a screenshot out
Speaker 1: the rules out It says that when the players ruled out,
Speaker 1: you're allowed to put him on the I R. And uh,
Speaker 1: that's all I was doing. And then, uh, it just
Speaker 1: so happened that he had a player, uh, Jeff Wilson,
Speaker 1: who was out, and he had him on the I R.
Speaker 1: And I said, he's around the reporters on your team, storyteller.
Speaker 1: And then I guess he was in two leagues he
Speaker 1: was on the iron one of them he wasn't, so
Speaker 1: maybe that was a confusion. But on the US family
Speaker 1: we were in, it was listens out. So it's like
Speaker 1: it's it feels very similar to what I did. Uh.
Speaker 1: And that was basically all of it. There's not much
Speaker 1: more to it. Um okay, alright, Um. I'll give my
Speaker 1: take first, Greg, then I want to hear yours and
Speaker 1: market any thoughts you have the failure here. Well, first
Speaker 1: of all, some lunatics slapping a guy in the face
Speaker 1: in the outfield over fantasy football league. I also know
Speaker 1: that though, because I was in a fantasy football league
Speaker 1: in my twenties, like these guys are, and it's really
Speaker 1: there's a lot of bad blood in fantasy leagues. When
Speaker 1: you got a bunch of like twenty eight year old
Speaker 1: guys that are way too much invested in it emotionally
Speaker 1: and financially. Um. But the failures of the commissioner, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, greggy, because he um set an i R
Speaker 1: rule that could be easily manipulated. You've got to set
Speaker 1: this thing hard and fast. You could say, you only
Speaker 1: go onto the I R unless you're actually on real
Speaker 1: life I r UM. If you allow people to slide
Speaker 1: and guys that are simply out, it invites issues exactly
Speaker 1: like this. Well, I didn't even need to hear him
Speaker 1: say anything. The guy who slaps another man for a
Speaker 1: fantasy football crime in the outfield, you're I don't care
Speaker 1: what happened, and then, oh, by the way, I hate
Speaker 1: the other guy didn't do anything wrong. The rules are
Speaker 1: the rules. That's totally typical of a fantasy league. That
Speaker 1: you can put guys on I R if they're out.
Speaker 1: That's not right, it's not. It's not a strange rule
Speaker 1: at all. If the commissioner, if the system lets you
Speaker 1: do it, you can do it. It's not even like
Speaker 1: he was looking for some sort of loophole. He was
Speaker 1: just playing the game. When he sent the screenshot of
Speaker 1: how the league is being run and he didn't work.
Speaker 1: And the other issue slapping alone is just like you,
Speaker 1: you are admitting you're in the wrong, And how he
Speaker 1: knew that he was never going to face each other
Speaker 1: on the diamond at some point. How long does the
Speaker 1: slapper in his mind say to himself when I go
Speaker 1: visit when I go into this game situation January? I
Speaker 1: mean Fantasy Football ended in January, Greg, So this sounds
Speaker 1: like there has to be more to the story. But well,
Speaker 1: there there's a gift involved where um, the Giants, Dodgers
Speaker 1: and Padres. There was like a weight thrown in the
Speaker 1: air and the Padres guy that's where fam was playing
Speaker 1: for at the time, got crushed by the weight. So
Speaker 1: there was some you know, making fun of the Padres
Speaker 1: as well. But he also that guy, the slapper also
Speaker 1: quit the league over that issue in the middle of
Speaker 1: the season, which is the biggest no no you do.
Speaker 1: You never quit a league in the middle of the
Speaker 1: year unless something heinous went down. It sounds like the
Speaker 1: slapper should be the slappy on some level because he's
Speaker 1: quit the league. He's he's a hothead, he's probably so
Speaker 1: that's the problem here, Like like, what is what are
Speaker 1: we missing here? Oh? The guy Tommy Fans is a lunatic.
Speaker 1: It's gotta big. Come on, all right, before we take
Speaker 1: a break, It's time once again for it came from
Speaker 1: the internet. All right, So here we go, Mark, you
Speaker 1: love that old CBS pregame with Brent Musburger. Uh and
Speaker 1: for a while in in the studio with him was
Speaker 1: Brown's great Jim Brown. All right. Here is a excerpt
Speaker 1: of a telecast that I believe was mid eighties, round
Speaker 1: eighty four. So grave digger, let's listen it have It
Speaker 1: amazes me that the big sacks in the league were
Speaker 1: able to take as much punishment as they do. I
Speaker 1: mean they get whacked coming up the middle of there.
Speaker 1: What amazes me too, because well a lot of them
Speaker 1: getting hurt now because I think the conditioning program is great. Yet,
Speaker 1: as I said earlier, and I hate to say it,
Speaker 1: there is a cocaine problem within the league. We cannot
Speaker 1: play the influencial cocaine. What was that, Jim, There is
Speaker 1: a cocaine problem within the league, and you cannot play
Speaker 1: und influenzal cocaine. No, Jim Brown, probably not wrong. In
Speaker 1: the early eighties. And it wasn't just an NFL problem.
Speaker 1: You you look at the NBA, which was basically torn
Speaker 1: apart by cocaine use the NFL, I'm sure it was
Speaker 1: a thing MLB. You at Keith Hernandez and a try Society.
Speaker 1: I was listening to an interview and they were talking.
Speaker 1: It was like a director their like their parents would
Speaker 1: just openly do cocat parties in front of kids back then.
Speaker 1: But like the Brett Brent Musberger was like, oh uh,
Speaker 1: this just took a different turn than I was expecting.
Speaker 1: So I did a little like research Jim Brown, He's
Speaker 1: he's a legendary player. His his off the field life
Speaker 1: not always sterling, but he's a very fascinating individual. And
Speaker 1: I have to say he is someone if you dig
Speaker 1: into this period of his life the the eighties. He
Speaker 1: was on the cover of Sports Illustrated on December twelfth,
Speaker 1: three and a full Raiders uniform. Uh. He wanted to
Speaker 1: come back at age forty seven, but he hadn't been signed.
Speaker 1: But he just did his photo shoot wearing a Raiders
Speaker 1: uniform and uh, he he had something he had He
Speaker 1: had an issue with the modern game at that point.
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe he thought it had changed. Here's
Speaker 1: a quote, uh, and it connects to the dialogue with Musburger.
Speaker 1: Where are the heroes the gladiators? He's also asking, whatever
Speaker 1: happened to you know who? Absolutely, we need more Jim Plunketts,
Speaker 1: Ted Hendricks's, Lyle Alzado's, Jack Lambert's, John Riggins's. They are
Speaker 1: throwbacks to the old old days. Today's heroes are insulated
Speaker 1: by their money. They're more worried about their women and
Speaker 1: their drugs. The lady Cocaine he's referring to, and the
Speaker 1: ladies go together. Cocaine is the prettiest lady of them all.
Speaker 1: Like he was on this like it was right right.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, you know he's part of I mean,
Speaker 1: the most consistent thing in human history is there's always
Speaker 1: someone telling you that it used to be better. People
Speaker 1: used to be tougher, the world used to be better.
Speaker 1: The generation before we're better people. That's like consistent. In
Speaker 1: this case, Coke was part of it, right. It just
Speaker 1: kind of interesting. He could not help but shoehorn into
Speaker 1: every conversation was having about the modern football player. Um.
Speaker 1: Also also, um, you should know that Frank o' harris
Speaker 1: at that at that this time was trying to who
Speaker 1: was very close to the NFL rushing record. Of course,
Speaker 1: Jim Brown retired after nine seasons with the record. Uh.
Speaker 1: So that's why he was planning to come out of
Speaker 1: retirement because he thought it was a great injustice that
Speaker 1: frank O Harris, a man that ran out of bounds,
Speaker 1: uh and didn't take punishment whatever, break his record. So
Speaker 1: he wanted to go back and distance the record, which
Speaker 1: was broken anyway by Sweetness Walter. It was about two
Speaker 1: years later that big back Kevin Mack was actually nailed
Speaker 1: from cocaine. So you know, Jim Brown, Uh, right on
Speaker 1: topic there. All right, Well that's uh, that's it for
Speaker 1: It came from the internet, and we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: All right, here we go, we're back again. Turn it
Speaker 1: off right now, turn the volume off. At least give
Speaker 1: us the download data, give us that metadata that we want.
Speaker 1: We crave it. Uh, we're going to give you. We're
Speaker 1: gonna give you everything you need to know. And these
Speaker 1: were these were questions sent in from the listeners on Twitter. Uh.
Speaker 1: These are questions, uh that we will get to pose
Speaker 1: to one another. If you have one that's not from Twitter,
Speaker 1: feel free to throw it out there. So, um, one
Speaker 1: of our own making, of your own making. Why don't
Speaker 1: you get it going? Mark, Why don't you ask me
Speaker 1: a question? And again, if you do not want to
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen in two NFL season, turn it
Speaker 1: off now, volume down this one, Um, I I'd be
Speaker 1: interested to see what what you think about this? Is
Speaker 1: there a quarterback that you could see getting benched before
Speaker 1: Halloween that nobody is talking about? Not you know, someone
Speaker 1: that's out there in the midst from the wilderness that
Speaker 1: would shock us right now? There is, Yeah, there is
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Ah. He plays in the a f C. H.
Speaker 1: He's connected to a team that people are very high on.
Speaker 1: He's the first round pick with a journeyman behind him.
Speaker 1: And yet there's too much smoke, Ah, too much smoke.
Speaker 1: His struggles will lead to a change that will make
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenhal very excited to a dunga Bloa will be
Speaker 1: benched by Halloween. I could see that. So it's like
Speaker 1: a Miss Cleo situation. You're just like wiping away the
Speaker 1: cobwebs in a way. I don't I don't want to.
Speaker 1: We do not Endora magic, We do not endorse the
Speaker 1: dark Arts. Uh, we are not time travelers as far
Speaker 1: as anyone knows. That's accurate, but we have done NFL
Speaker 1: podcasts and with that comes a level of clarity that,
Speaker 1: like Greg says, if you think hard enough into the abyss,
Speaker 1: the answer presents itself. And that's what happened. And I see, Yeah,
Speaker 1: two is not happy on the sideline. Wow, it's a
Speaker 1: little spicy. You're really asking for two and on to
Speaker 1: come after you? You have, You have put it out
Speaker 1: there that TOA is not gonna make it until October.
Speaker 1: He'll make it to October, but not to November as
Speaker 1: the starting quarter as a human. Yes, I am almost
Speaker 1: certain he will. Wait. Yes, he will also make it
Speaker 1: ad that's very good. But Teddy Bridgewater is exactly the
Speaker 1: level of backup that the head coach, who you know,
Speaker 1: first year head coach who's seeing an offense maybe not
Speaker 1: go how he wants it to go. Maybe two is
Speaker 1: a little banged up to That's just that's what's happening.
Speaker 1: She might not be a permanent benching, but I could
Speaker 1: totally see new coach an owner that I don't think
Speaker 1: it is totally sold on to A when they could
Speaker 1: have had justin Herbert that if you have Teddy, you
Speaker 1: want to give to a break if he gets into
Speaker 1: one of his little too a slumps, and you could
Speaker 1: come at me right now. And Alphenson was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: he was talking about the other thing last week with
Speaker 1: ownership and all the things behind the scenes. Uh, that's
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to do that. That was a question
Speaker 1: presented to me. I didn't know what was coming. That
Speaker 1: was the answer that came to me. First four games
Speaker 1: home to New England at Baltimore, home to Buffalo, at Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: To your point, seeing seeing the future, here Ta has
Speaker 1: to play at a at a very high level to
Speaker 1: help the Dolphins start off well, it eases up after that,
Speaker 1: but if you get into ohen four or one in
Speaker 1: three whole, I don't think it's been that controversial to
Speaker 1: say this team might not have as much patience as
Speaker 1: as they're going to be out there. Expectations are so
Speaker 1: high now, especially with the Tyreek Hill acquisition. If he
Speaker 1: doesn't get off to a typical Tyreek Hill start, who knows,
Speaker 1: he might talk as well. There could be some bad
Speaker 1: vibes there. So a lot of pressure on two to
Speaker 1: come out of the gates fast. I will now turn
Speaker 1: my attention to Greg. Let's say, look, and you know
Speaker 1: what you need to do here, Greg, You're gonna tell
Speaker 1: people what's gonna happen. What well Baker Mayfield NFL season
Speaker 1: look like. I'm looking at this, dig it, baby, Oh
Speaker 1: that's so clear. It's so easy. He's starting week one
Speaker 1: for the for the Carolina Panthers. It's so easy, so
Speaker 1: that the clouds parted me. I don't have to go,
Speaker 1: like go think about all this. It's like, oh, yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: we're going into the season with Sam Darnald as our quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's the most claire you know, it's I don't need
Speaker 1: to be clairvoyant to see that. It's just um, it's
Speaker 1: a manufactured joke that Matt Rule would feel comfortable going
Speaker 1: into the future after almost getting fired because Sam Darneld
Speaker 1: almost got him fired with no other option, and they're
Speaker 1: playing this little game here that they don't have to
Speaker 1: you know, look at They don't have to pay Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield salary hopefully in their mind, and they're only gonna
Speaker 1: pay a worship of it. And that's all fine. They're
Speaker 1: in no hurry. I just see it. I just don't
Speaker 1: see him sitting on the bench, and I actually think
Speaker 1: under Matt Rule he would be a pretty good uh fit.
Speaker 1: They would have to get the ball out of his
Speaker 1: hand a little quicker, but it's a lot of short throws.
Speaker 1: I think he can do it. He can very at
Speaker 1: the very least represent what Teddy did a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, which which is all they might need for
Speaker 1: a little upgrade at quarterback. I we'll tell you that
Speaker 1: looking at this question, we're on the same party line
Speaker 1: number one. What's juice here in the fact that he
Speaker 1: goes to Carolina Matt Rules under fire Baker Mayfield. It
Speaker 1: solves that position at least for this year, and they
Speaker 1: play Cleveland in Week one. That is the set the
Speaker 1: stepping stone to Baker Mayfield guiding the Panthers to nine
Speaker 1: and eight, saving Matt Rule's job, and he wins Comeback
Speaker 1: Player of the Year while the Browns don't make the players.
Speaker 1: Something's coming to me. Ah. The Progressive ad campaign, Oh no,
Speaker 1: who is the new spokesman, not Deshaun Watson. I think
Speaker 1: that's the safe You're a seer, is what you are.
Speaker 1: I bet they're in a tricky spot right now, Progressive
Speaker 1: They're they're waiting they're just waiting for this to happen.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, imagine, I have sympathy for Baker's
Speaker 1: entire offseason, even though maybe he's a little knucklehead or
Speaker 1: he talks too much, whatever, but like he uh, not
Speaker 1: only has he been left out to dry by the Browns,
Speaker 1: hung out to dry, the entire football world has said
Speaker 1: we're not so hot on you either. And you've got
Speaker 1: that progressive phone call that's just kind of you're waiting
Speaker 1: for that one because they're probably not looking to do
Speaker 1: business with a guy who's not really a starting quarterback
Speaker 1: or a guy that's seen as a high octane NFL player.
Speaker 1: So it's almost like that the last in dignity of
Speaker 1: the phone call from the progressive higher ups. Counterpoint has
Speaker 1: a nice guaranteed salary coming his way barring other issues,
Speaker 1: and he made a lot of money off of commercials.
Speaker 1: But my clairvoyance that I felt that I had might
Speaker 1: have been a little off with the whole week one
Speaker 1: idea that it would be tricky for him to get
Speaker 1: in there win that job even before playing the Browns,
Speaker 1: and might want to avoid that. But I just see him,
Speaker 1: I see him in that uniform. I see it. It
Speaker 1: all makes sense. All right, why don't you throw them
Speaker 1: out there? Greg? Al right, Mark, I'll ask you a
Speaker 1: question here, all right, which defense we'll be seen as
Speaker 1: the league's most dominant in? Take us there? This is
Speaker 1: not a tricky to me at all. Well you're not.
Speaker 1: You're not using your brain to figure out what the
Speaker 1: answer is. It came to me. It just came to me,
Speaker 1: and it was a beautiful image. So presented itself. An
Speaker 1: NFC squad that has gone through changes but remains a
Speaker 1: team on defense that I think the stamp of who
Speaker 1: they are is zero fear um, immense swagger. And it's
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints. They've had some changes, you know,
Speaker 1: some this, some faces have vanished, but some you get.
Speaker 1: You have. You put Honey Badger, I think, who is
Speaker 1: one of the best locker room presences in football into
Speaker 1: the perfect spot. And I know the offense maybe hot
Speaker 1: and cold next season we'll see Sean Payton not not
Speaker 1: being there, but the defense has enough carryover. Marcus Davenport,
Speaker 1: Cam Jordan's c G J Marshawn Lattimore. I love these guys.
Speaker 1: So I just think the Saints is my answer, and
Speaker 1: it's very clear to me. There was nothing else that
Speaker 1: came in there. I saw a little vision for a
Speaker 1: minute of the Rams, but I but I that's floated away. Well,
Speaker 1: according to Football Outsiders, as were number three in defensive
Speaker 1: d v O A, behind Dallas, Dallas and Buffalo and
Speaker 1: just ahead of New England. And we're top two of
Speaker 1: the year before too, so that is consistent. And yet, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think another team in their division
Speaker 1: was where I'd go. We just signed to keep but
Speaker 1: he didn't go anywhere. Again, I thought we were experts,
Speaker 1: and so after doing this show for so long that
Speaker 1: that it's a little confusing. Look with the Saints defense
Speaker 1: sometimes it's confusing to Dad, lets us know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's just it's not this isn't your opinion. That wasn't
Speaker 1: Mark's opinion. That was it came to him. Can I
Speaker 1: have a different opinion though, or you know it's wrong though? Right,
Speaker 1: Well that's a good point. Yeah, but you can opinions
Speaker 1: the segment to debate, because what we have been given
Speaker 1: are like, you know, a vision from then that's a
Speaker 1: veteran who has done ten seasons with the shows. So
Speaker 1: but if you want to share your opinion. That's incorrect. Please,
Speaker 1: I love sharing incorrect opinions. I think the Bucks are
Speaker 1: are the team I would watch out for. There. Well,
Speaker 1: what does the Saints defense due to Tom Brady year
Speaker 1: after year? It's a fair point. All right, let's do
Speaker 1: another round. All right. I want to ask you this one.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I mentally I'm a little bit
Speaker 1: I think this is a pressing question. I mean, I
Speaker 1: this will test your abilities. The San Francisco Forts and
Speaker 1: what is happening with their quarterback situation. Just take us
Speaker 1: there and tell us what happens. That's the question. So
Speaker 1: many one to know. Where are we by week one? Ah?
Speaker 1: Why does it not hurt you? Guys? I see confusion.
Speaker 1: I see arguments behind the scenes. I see phone call.
Speaker 1: So many phone calls. M John Lynch, he wants to trade,
Speaker 1: he wants to trade, says yes. No one says yes.
Speaker 1: That's a phone calls. Land lines, so many land lines everywhere.
Speaker 1: No one using wireless technology now, ah, speeding through training camp.
Speaker 1: I see two figures. Okay, one is definitely Jimmy Garoppolo
Speaker 1: and yes tray Lands mm hmm, Trey Lances finger looks okay?
Speaker 1: Good Week one it's Tray Lance on the field, but
Speaker 1: by week six it is the veteran Garoppolo who leads
Speaker 1: the offense from San Francisco. Okay, I can't do another
Speaker 1: one of those. It's taxing on you, I can say.
Speaker 1: So that's it seems to really go like inside of
Speaker 1: you in a way that it just doesn't with Mike
Speaker 1: ever see Ghost. Yes, it's very exhausting. Yeah whoop, And
Speaker 1: again we're not seers, were not fortune tellers. But when whoopee,
Speaker 1: when it when she had to like go in and
Speaker 1: see things. I mean, it kind of seems like we're
Speaker 1: sears here when when whoop, when Whoopee was done, she
Speaker 1: was fatigued afterwards. I think maybe that's potentially where this
Speaker 1: is coming from, but I don't know. Not every seer
Speaker 1: goes through the same sort of physical toil. But with you,
Speaker 1: it's very um, it's taxing, it's visible physically. Yes. I
Speaker 1: I also think that this answer that you gave it
Speaker 1: it could have been an answer um to another question
Speaker 1: that you got which quarterback would get bench sterlely, because
Speaker 1: if Trey Lance, when Trey Lance gets benched early for Garoppol,
Speaker 1: unless it's an injury, I guess that's possible here his finger.
Speaker 1: That would be a seismic move. That would be and
Speaker 1: I and I'm I I have no reason to doubt
Speaker 1: any part of your vision. Right there will be a
Speaker 1: seismic move. They have to start Trey Lands. He's gonna
Speaker 1: get all the reps this soft season. You've gotta get
Speaker 1: it ready. And yet can't you just imagine, um, if
Speaker 1: this team doesn't get out to a fast start like
Speaker 1: a year ago, it's the Kyle Shanahan type of thing
Speaker 1: to do. Matters. I think you you heard it time
Speaker 1: and time again. How much of these guys really like Garoppolo?
Speaker 1: He um also, for the record, was not healthy Trey
Speaker 1: Lance that he couldn't throw a spiral last year because
Speaker 1: of his finger. We know Garoppolo obviously was playing banged up,
Speaker 1: and you just, yeah, you wonder because the other part
Speaker 1: of the whole thing the Tray Lance coming out of
Speaker 1: North Dakota State was he had very limited reps. He
Speaker 1: was very raw, and he didn't really get any opportunity
Speaker 1: to really learn the NFL game last year the way
Speaker 1: he was used, the way apparently he was limited. So
Speaker 1: now you didn't even get that first developmental year It's
Speaker 1: a very tough spot for Shanahan and the Niners, who
Speaker 1: have otherwise very much a win now right. Carl Shanahan,
Speaker 1: John Lynch have been relatively bulletproofed through a bunch of
Speaker 1: injury plague seasons. You have the Super Bowl campaign, the loss,
Speaker 1: but a lot of up and down and this would
Speaker 1: be nothing short of a gigantic disaster if trade Lance
Speaker 1: is benched by Meek six. The vision's super imperfect. And
Speaker 1: what the vision What came to me there is they
Speaker 1: really want to make the Lance thing may work because
Speaker 1: of what they invested in him and what he potentially
Speaker 1: could bring to that offense in terms of his ability
Speaker 1: to be a two way threat, which Garoppolo is not.
Speaker 1: He didn't he didn't make a lot of plays. That's
Speaker 1: the thing I feel like gets lost a little as
Speaker 1: I was pretty intrigued by the two starts, and they
Speaker 1: were very different, and there were a lot of ad
Speaker 1: plays to like, very negative plays, but his great plays
Speaker 1: were great, um and I thought he looked pretty good
Speaker 1: in that Houston. We brought up West earlier, I'll bring
Speaker 1: it up again, and we brought up Fantasy earlier. I'll
Speaker 1: bring that up again. One thing whenever we did the
Speaker 1: fantasy extravaganza, which of course will be coming up again
Speaker 1: later this summer. Um West. One of the advice, the
Speaker 1: advice he always gave out was don't settle on a
Speaker 1: guy that has a floor and a low ceiling. I
Speaker 1: take the chance and the guy that could really win
Speaker 1: your league. And I think what you could take that
Speaker 1: principle and take it to the Niners. You know what
Speaker 1: you have in Jimmy g Right, but what if Trey Lance,
Speaker 1: healthy in another year in the system, is a stud.
Speaker 1: San Francisco is the best team in the lance. His
Speaker 1: mobility fantasy wise makes him like Jalen Hurts, very high floor.
Speaker 1: Now I'm talking, I'm talking real football, just saying but
Speaker 1: but but it's but his ability to do everything, I
Speaker 1: think I think it gives him a higher floor too.
Speaker 1: I there's a couple and it seems like we're being
Speaker 1: hard on Kyle Shanahan, But I feel like there's two
Speaker 1: moments in his career which he probably will almost never
Speaker 1: get criticized for it, but I'll have it in my
Speaker 1: mind as a criticism. So just he'll know that if
Speaker 1: he listens to his UH number one, you didn't draft
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes or any of those guys when you had
Speaker 1: the chance. It's just like traded down. It took Solomon
Speaker 1: Thomas and they sort of got a pass for that
Speaker 1: um when you absolutely need a court. Number two is
Speaker 1: Trey Lance wasn't gonna play worse than Jimmy g uh
Speaker 1: in those last five games it was where the worst.
Speaker 1: I would say that's the worst four game stretch of
Speaker 1: Jimmy G's entire career. They made it to the NFC
Speaker 1: Championship Game and a quarter away from the super Bowl
Speaker 1: despite him, and in some way, I think that got
Speaker 1: people to believe that's like why I guess it was
Speaker 1: the right move. It's like, no tray Lance could have
Speaker 1: given you a pretty low baseline there and not made
Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes, and who know, they might have
Speaker 1: been in the super Bowl, they might have won the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. That's I think it tracks back to the
Speaker 1: fact that I'm not convinced Kyle Shanahan really ever wanted
Speaker 1: Trey Lance and probably prefers Jimmy G. And ways that
Speaker 1: is problematic for the look at the Niner schedule because
Speaker 1: it is also important, yes that the tray Lance does
Speaker 1: get this job, that he starts well at Chicago, Okay,
Speaker 1: home Seattle at Denver Sunday night football. I like that,
Speaker 1: tray Lance Russell Wilson, Let's give me something. And then
Speaker 1: Monday night football home against the Rams, that's you know
Speaker 1: with and then you've got a nice little at Carolina
Speaker 1: at Atlanta. They call that the like NFC South, like
Speaker 1: layup machine, just like, hey, you guys need some help.
Speaker 1: Let's play the Panthers and Falcons and back. But this
Speaker 1: Panthers team is gonna have Baker. Maybe we've already discussed
Speaker 1: the Panthers, but in because it's been seen that means
Speaker 1: in that stretch they're going to go something along the
Speaker 1: lines of three and three, two and four, leading to
Speaker 1: a change against the Chiefs in Week seven. So unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And I hope, I hope everyone uh is holding onto
Speaker 1: their butts because we're not done yet. Greg. All right,
Speaker 1: this is another topic. Everyone wants to know. Everyone wants
Speaker 1: to know who is the rightful victor of the Davante
Speaker 1: Adams trade. Wow, what everybody wants to know? It feels
Speaker 1: like an opinion. But okay, okay, I mean yeah, is
Speaker 1: that the future? Is it the past? Oh? Yes? What jeez,
Speaker 1: not there, Michael Pittman seeing a lot seeing pain. I'm
Speaker 1: seeing suffering um, and I'm seeing a lot of happy
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders fans. The Las Vegas Raiders are the
Speaker 1: victor of the Davante Adams trade. You want to know why,
Speaker 1: just look at the name of the trade. It's not
Speaker 1: called the future picks trade. It's called the Davante Adams trade.
Speaker 1: I don't think that the Packers are going to fall
Speaker 1: apart because they got rid of Davante Adams. I think,
Speaker 1: considering where they were in their team building cycle and
Speaker 1: Davante Adams wanted out, they got enough and that they're
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. But I believe that a wide receiver
Speaker 1: that changes everyone around you. I did uh the PF
Speaker 1: podcast last week or they put up this week. Steve
Speaker 1: Palazzolo would call it a force multiplier. I believe in
Speaker 1: that a top wide receiver makes everyone around him better,
Speaker 1: including his quarterback like Derek Carr. And they're just they
Speaker 1: are going to be the winner of that trade. And
Speaker 1: you want to know why. I know they're gonna be
Speaker 1: the winner because the Packers didn't want to make it.
Speaker 1: Davante Adams made them make it. Okay, No, that's that
Speaker 1: sound theory there that I wanted to be controversial to
Speaker 1: have him back, and now they're in a position where
Speaker 1: they're scrambling and they didn't make a big move on
Speaker 1: draft the Packers to try to replace him. So I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it makes sense that this is how it's
Speaker 1: going to play out. Now, will Adams be well, you
Speaker 1: answer this is good? Greg, You're still in the headspace.
Speaker 1: I hope if physically you can handle it. Um Davante
Speaker 1: Adams does he have a hundred catches with Derek Carr
Speaker 1: looking at the final Oh, that's I'm gonna have to well,
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to talk to people about anything because
Speaker 1: this this would be a true advantage in Vegas. If
Speaker 1: I knew that, I would say probably. But I did
Speaker 1: look at the final standings for receptions. Davante Adams only
Speaker 1: came in fourth, but it's with a hundred and three
Speaker 1: catches seventeen weeks. He's got that extra game. Famously, terrible
Speaker 1: gets over a. Greg is still going to use this
Speaker 1: power for ill right to line his pockets for Raphael
Speaker 1: Nadal has won the two French Open check out courts
Speaker 1: of thunder its Um the last four years for Adams,
Speaker 1: or say the last three years he's played at least
Speaker 1: fourteen games, he's had a hundred and eleven, hundred and
Speaker 1: fifteen and a hundred twenty three catches, So even he'd
Speaker 1: be down twenty catches or he is going to be
Speaker 1: down twenty catches, and yet I think the Raiders would
Speaker 1: sign off on that. In a second. I do worry
Speaker 1: about Josh McDaniels kind of is in a funny spot.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a little off topic, and just because he's
Speaker 1: taking over a team that I think overachieved and made
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and I feel like they could be like
Speaker 1: the Davante Adams trade could make sense. They could have
Speaker 1: had pretty good offseason moves. They could be good, and
Speaker 1: they could still not make the playoffs. And then people
Speaker 1: think the Backards won that trade. But I don't care.
Speaker 1: It's still the right their own division. They play the
Speaker 1: NFC West. That is thorny. Alright, one more look, what's
Speaker 1: the juiciest one out here? Which one? Thank you to
Speaker 1: all the listeners who contributed, who wanted the answers, and
Speaker 1: we have provided them, whether you're happy about it or not. Again,
Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with us. This is not
Speaker 1: an opinion piece. Don't come at us, it's our ability.
Speaker 1: Will we see the return to glory for Monday Night
Speaker 1: Football as an entity now that Troy and Buck are there.
Speaker 1: And I asked this, I I want to learn some
Speaker 1: real details about how this Monday Night and great question
Speaker 1: because Mark famously is turned on by Troy Aquman in
Speaker 1: so many ways, and yet this answer that's coming to
Speaker 1: him will have nothing to do with that, because it's
Speaker 1: not about Mark's opinion. This is a perilous one for
Speaker 1: me because he might He's in a position now Greg
Speaker 1: where he might have to say something negative about a hero.
Speaker 1: He really put him in a tough spot. He has
Speaker 1: no choice. I am not getting painful physical vibrations. I'm
Speaker 1: getting the opposite because let me tell you what I've seen,
Speaker 1: Uh what vehicle on television football providing vehicle. It's been
Speaker 1: more lamb based by this podcast than Monday Night Football
Speaker 1: that's been telecast that we've been hard run. Two words,
Speaker 1: problem solved. We already know they can do it. I
Speaker 1: would say this about Troy Aikman. Yes, he is a
Speaker 1: handsome man. But one of the reasons that I gravitate
Speaker 1: towards Troy Agman is just that he was like at
Speaker 1: the centerpiece for me football wise growing up. And he's
Speaker 1: one of those last Cowboys quarterbacks. You've got the Tony
Speaker 1: Romo thing that he has done it with Buck for
Speaker 1: so long. Uh, they've got great chemistry. I think that
Speaker 1: Buck is unfairly critiqued by people. Troy Aikman has gotten
Speaker 1: better the last couple of years. Reason Lily, he you know,
Speaker 1: he get a little edgy, to get a little bit
Speaker 1: uh flustered and angry at what he sees on the field.
Speaker 1: I think this is going to take Monday night football
Speaker 1: and turn it back into something special. It has not
Speaker 1: been special in a very long time. They're not taking
Speaker 1: a risk. They're not rolling the dice with people we've
Speaker 1: never heard of. They're not sticking a player in the
Speaker 1: booth that's getting overpaid and never announced a thing that
Speaker 1: we talked about. The floor and fantasy. The floor here
Speaker 1: is extremely high. But I think they're going to start
Speaker 1: to gravitate towards better matchups for Monday night football. I'm
Speaker 1: giving it it got solid grade. Here's the thing why
Speaker 1: this surprised me, and it's obviously it happened so it
Speaker 1: is now going to be a huge story. Andrew Marshahn
Speaker 1: is gonna be writing endlessly about how huge the ratings are.
Speaker 1: And what really surprised me that that could be even possible,
Speaker 1: because it's kind of like this idea that Monday Night
Speaker 1: Football has to return to glory, like it needs to
Speaker 1: be a conversation, it needs to be you know, we're
Speaker 1: around the water cooler on Tuesday and we can't stop
Speaker 1: thinking about what Joe Buck said to Troy Aikman and
Speaker 1: like it. This is not the seventies anymore. The idea
Speaker 1: that Monday Night Football is an important quote unquote telecast
Speaker 1: is such a product of a bygone era that I
Speaker 1: think they go ahead. This isn't George This is not
Speaker 1: George Bush. With the mission accomplished, banner on the aircraft carrier.
Speaker 1: They can do it, ESPN. Put up the barrier, put
Speaker 1: up the put it up on the wall on the carrier.
Speaker 1: The mission is accomplished. I have one vision though that's
Speaker 1: disturb Well, let me just finish. Like but at the
Speaker 1: same time, what they accomplished was they have an A
Speaker 1: plus booth. But it's not gonna be changing the world.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be something that the America is talking.
Speaker 1: There is one disturbing element. Oh and this does this
Speaker 1: does make me, This does cause me a problem inside
Speaker 1: um because I think there's a reverse what was happening before.
Speaker 1: I think that the cat like this, it's as it
Speaker 1: on its own product will be very successful. And I'm
Speaker 1: with you on the on the status of television and
Speaker 1: the fact that it's not the biggest thing on the planet.
Speaker 1: But you're still dealing with the Manning Cast, which I
Speaker 1: think is the future of how so many people want
Speaker 1: to a big chunk of people want to experience football.
Speaker 1: And I think right away that takes away from bucking ACU. Wait,
Speaker 1: we're connecting. They said it couldn't be done. Will we
Speaker 1: see a return to glory from Monday Night Football? It
Speaker 1: is parts of two telecasts that are creating the best
Speaker 1: night of analysis and play by player. You've got it all.
Speaker 1: It is glory if you look at it from that,
Speaker 1: and it isn't. It isn't just a boomer take on
Speaker 1: things like the way that they've set it up. They
Speaker 1: have actually gone and created a type of broadcast that
Speaker 1: didn't exist a year ago. They've already done it with
Speaker 1: the Manning cast. I think that we're looking at something special. Well,
Speaker 1: they were. They were all together like at this Dog
Speaker 1: and Pony show at the ESPN like I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was ad sales up front whatever, and the
Speaker 1: four of them were together, Eli Peyton. So they're all
Speaker 1: looking at it like they're on there on the same team.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they look at it like the money makes
Speaker 1: any sort of um rivalry or eyeballs that are being
Speaker 1: taken away, you know, not a problem. And I do
Speaker 1: think Monday Night for I think it matters materially because like,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about? It needs to return to
Speaker 1: some glory. NFL's dominant. It's already there. We are talking.
Speaker 1: Everyone is talking about Monday night football on Tuesday. But
Speaker 1: there is something that the schedule looks better on paper
Speaker 1: this year. I don't know if they had to do
Speaker 1: with Aikman and Buck or if that had to do
Speaker 1: with Thursday night not getting as good games vision Okay,
Speaker 1: it did have something to do with with it felt like, uh,
Speaker 1: they you know, they took some from Thursday gave it
Speaker 1: to Monday. Uh. And it most importantly is the game.
Speaker 1: And this is partly why we talk about it so much.
Speaker 1: It's the one game of the week where we're just
Speaker 1: watching and there's no distraction. On Sundays, there's no podcast
Speaker 1: we have to do. We're doing immediately after, like on
Speaker 1: Thursday's potentially, or like finishing certain columns we're writing that
Speaker 1: night and all no, I mean, it's it's the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah you are. I I mixed it up there. Sorry,
Speaker 1: it's fine. Sorry you're doing over there, Dan. I want
Speaker 1: to do something real quick before we say goodbye, because
Speaker 1: we are really it has been and a seismic offseason.
Speaker 1: In the booth, I want you guys to there are
Speaker 1: five different teams here ESPN, Fox, CBS, NBC, in Amazon.
Speaker 1: Five points to your favorite booth, four to your second favorite,
Speaker 1: three to your third, too, to your second to last,
Speaker 1: one to your least favorite booth. Well, this is this
Speaker 1: is tricky because I also need preseast in power rights
Speaker 1: been okay, how about a use a blue pen? I
Speaker 1: never used blue man. This is tough, All right, here
Speaker 1: we go. I want to give a four way tie
Speaker 1: for first. Sure, here we go, but you can't Greg,
Speaker 1: you just can't remember. Five points to your favorite. Oh
Speaker 1: it's tough, Oh tough, okay, not for me. I got mine,
Speaker 1: all right, turn in your cards. Do you want me
Speaker 1: to add him up? I think I think I could do. Wait,
Speaker 1: Number one is the one we like the most, right,
Speaker 1: the least, the least. I mean, it's so clear, repeated
Speaker 1: it like three times, so three. The people need to
Speaker 1: know how it went. All right, here we go, because
Speaker 1: when I saw Mark's list, I was like, huh, you
Speaker 1: have him first. All right, you guys speak amongst yourselves
Speaker 1: while I handle the tabulation. I mean we could. We
Speaker 1: are edited program after the fact. We are on YouTube though,
Speaker 1: handling the math. Just do it. Check us out on YouTube.
Speaker 1: How are things Gregg with you personally? Pretty good? Pretty good?
Speaker 1: How are things with you personally? By the grave digger?
Speaker 1: Let it slip the name of his paramore. You can
Speaker 1: believe it. And that's that's actually kind of what I
Speaker 1: imagine the name to be. Yeah, that's that's that's that's
Speaker 1: in the wheelhouse. I feel like you guys knew that. Okay, See,
Speaker 1: well you don't know how the old zeus are driving
Speaker 1: the show here. It's getting a little dry and conversated
Speaker 1: by watching you add the numbers. But I'd like, I mean,
Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta know strengths and weaknesses of the personnel.
Speaker 1: It's why I tried to volunteer. I thought you would
Speaker 1: see what I was doing there. It's not that complicated,
Speaker 1: like it was a test. But Greg, you would have
Speaker 1: added it wrong, you would have done it in the opposite. Well,
Speaker 1: I I flipped it once I realized, all right, we're
Speaker 1: coming up now, So here we go. We're coming up right.
Speaker 1: Oh it's really close, really close? Are there stark differences
Speaker 1: between I guess we can get into that, but okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. Here the final bring that music back,
Speaker 1: let's get the tension. Um. Here we go. The power
Speaker 1: of preseason power rankings of the Red Jigger Boots number one,
Speaker 1: thirteen points. I already changed my mind, and I want
Speaker 1: to change my CBS Nansen Romo number two twelve points.
Speaker 1: Oh so close, Fox, excuse me, ESPN Yeah, okay, three
Speaker 1: ten points, so very close, which is a good sign
Speaker 1: that they did a nice job here, Tariko and Collinsworth
Speaker 1: after that Fox, the Burkhardt Olsen team seven points, and
Speaker 1: this one hurts al Michaels Car curb Street Amazon three
Speaker 1: points total. We all were in lockstep. I'm not surprised
Speaker 1: by then. We just don't know it's like, al um
Speaker 1: and Greg's gonna do the map. Now, that's fine, I
Speaker 1: wanna change my answer already, let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 1: I was higher on Buck Aickman, not surprisingly. Then that's
Speaker 1: of you. That actually makes sense that um, that all
Speaker 1: adds up to me, maybe incorrectly. All right, good stuff,
Speaker 1: good app I mean Mark voted Tariko and cons were
Speaker 1: second to last. I was wondering how they didn't win.
Speaker 1: My issue is I put it first? You don't like
Speaker 1: collins Worth. Collins Worth is too folksy for me. I
Speaker 1: don't find him funny. I used very good at what
Speaker 1: he does, but it's just taste, right, and you that's
Speaker 1: your opinion, and that's fine. Right now we're back in
Speaker 1: the realm of opinion. It seems to differ from the
Speaker 1: from how the hell YouTube feel, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll have to reconcile that on my own. No, I
Speaker 1: would say, there's gonna be a lot of private introspection
Speaker 1: you'll have immediately following the show. All right, we'll be
Speaker 1: back on Thursday. Uh so make sure you check that out.
Speaker 1: Be there and thank you everybody for listening. Great hear
Speaker 1: Chris Westling's voice there I love it. Until Thursday he
Speaker 1: the call. See two