Speaker 1: Be around the NFL podcast. The Jets will win the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. It's what a crazy person would say, yea
Speaker 1: from the Chris Wesley podcast studio, it's around the NFL.
Speaker 1: I'm Dan Hansas. I got heroes here, some of them.
Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, hearty, hearty. Thank you to everyone
Speaker 1: an outpouring on the old social media of positivity and
Speaker 1: congratulations and strolling down memory lane after we made our
Speaker 1: big E IS for Extension announcement on Thursday's show. So
Speaker 1: thank you to everybody who said kind words. That is
Speaker 1: look at Mark. Sharon says be kind on it four
Speaker 1: times in different letters, and certainly that's what we felt
Speaker 1: from the listeners and everyone else in the business. That
Speaker 1: was my order to them, and they responded with kindness,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate it. Is it is that like a
Speaker 1: self reminder or you're telling be kind that's what you should.
Speaker 1: It's actually, um my wife's T shirt. I'll start there,
Speaker 1: but um, when I wear it, it doesn't necessarily translate
Speaker 1: into my own mood, so I'm not taking my own note.
Speaker 1: Is that a humble brag or I don't know where
Speaker 1: to take that. You're wearing your wife's shirt, your wife
Speaker 1: is a slender woman herself, and you're just saying you
Speaker 1: guys can share wardrobe. Now that's where you're at. I
Speaker 1: think it's a T shirt. You're not even sure it
Speaker 1: was a female's T shirt. It just was. I've noticed it,
Speaker 1: but you share it. That is interesting. Do you share
Speaker 1: it in the other like undergarments? No, not that I know.
Speaker 1: I've I've usurped that this is now my shirt, So okay,
Speaker 1: it's serious. Do you ever catch a scent of Oh,
Speaker 1: it's it's spirit anti presse frint I have. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think we've all done this in a pinch, like
Speaker 1: when you when you run out of your men's deodorant.
Speaker 1: There have been times when I've used it was secret.
Speaker 1: It was a version of secrets, and I have to
Speaker 1: say spirit, it work teen Spirit. She does not wear
Speaker 1: a teen Spirit, but secret actually worked very well. That's
Speaker 1: what they had saying. That's what they had say. Well,
Speaker 1: I thought it. I thought I would overpower it with
Speaker 1: my scent and it did not happen. You're right there,
Speaker 1: And it was very nice to hear from the listeners
Speaker 1: because they'll remember shows. There was that one thread of
Speaker 1: like it was someone's five favorite shows, and I can't
Speaker 1: remember half of the I mean when they they tell
Speaker 1: us about it, then you remember it. But it's just
Speaker 1: been so long since you thought about some of those shows.
Speaker 1: We're now going to be entering our tenth season together
Speaker 1: and um, you know, we're becoming older men. And I
Speaker 1: appreciate when when you guys remind us of some of
Speaker 1: the things you enjoyed in the past. Oh I love
Speaker 1: those Uh, it's like learning it for the first time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love when we hear from the listeners like, oh,
Speaker 1: you you know I just graduated from college, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I've been listening to you since I started high school.
Speaker 1: Was like, whoa, we've been doing this that long? Like
Speaker 1: we have what what has happened? Where has the time gone?
Speaker 1: And also, like I said, whether it was a private
Speaker 1: text or you know, an email or social media, all
Speaker 1: the people that said nice things, people that we know.
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna have to start catalog and we're gonna
Speaker 1: go back in catalog. Who we didn't hear from. I
Speaker 1: don't think I heard from anyone from many people. I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone reached that mark. Now that we are
Speaker 1: under contract, um for more years at the NFL, um,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be asking more from you, and I was
Speaker 1: thinking side podcasts right off the top of my head
Speaker 1: for you two podcast potentials with Mark Sessler. No, I
Speaker 1: hate that and it's just nothing but nothing NFL related,
Speaker 1: but all the other sparts. I don't like the way
Speaker 1: that the that you're saying, that you're voicing that, Oh,
Speaker 1: so you wanted to be Sparts. No, I do not
Speaker 1: want that. I already told you before the show that
Speaker 1: that actual clip that you do is annoying to me.
Speaker 1: But tell me what you wanted to be sports with Mark?
Speaker 1: So that's closer to it, although I don't I'd rather
Speaker 1: pick a different topic. That was the title of Katie
Speaker 1: Nolan's podcast sports Start. I have to start watching other sports,
Speaker 1: which sounds time consuming. Then I had one other and
Speaker 1: I'll keep work shopping this because I just assume you
Speaker 1: won't like any of them. But this guy gets it
Speaker 1: with Marx that I can work with that. It sounds
Speaker 1: like I could hit touch on any sort of topic
Speaker 1: that that pleases me. Coming up today, one of my
Speaker 1: favorite football figures and the coaching ranks in the last
Speaker 1: twenty years, Mike west Off. He has a new book
Speaker 1: coming out called figure it Out my thirty two year
Speaker 1: journey while revolutionizing Pro Football Special Teams. About that book too,
Speaker 1: I mean he went to work. I mean look at
Speaker 1: the flex right right in the subhead there when you
Speaker 1: say I revolutionized Pro football special teams. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I get it. That's a commanding title too. Like your shirt,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's an order figure it out. I
Speaker 1: assume Greg that you've already read the entire book, considering
Speaker 1: that we're having him on as a guest discussed right,
Speaker 1: it's powered through it. Over the weekend, Kevin Danger's in
Speaker 1: town and said, keV, I'm gonna take a break. I
Speaker 1: gotta read another two pages of west Off biography with Barry.
Speaker 1: Barry Wilner UM also coming up today, Um, Greg, one
Speaker 1: of your I bet it's one of your better UM
Speaker 1: Traffics pieces. Projected Starters series. You go through each division,
Speaker 1: each team, take a closer look. Now it's time to
Speaker 1: put these teams on the slab. It's an autopsy, stick
Speaker 1: through it. Projected Starters autopsy. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: I feel like you always would have liked to be
Speaker 1: in the writer's room for like a TV procedure in
Speaker 1: a different life maybe and this is your chain, your chance.
Speaker 1: I do have a question that I mean, I brought
Speaker 1: this up to you also before the show. This is
Speaker 1: the time of year where all thirty two teams are
Speaker 1: you know generic, they're very much alive. They've not been
Speaker 1: injured or you know, they not their weaknesses have not
Speaker 1: been exposed, and we're calling them that they are all
Speaker 1: dead and we're opening up their bodies because the rosters
Speaker 1: are a living thing. And it's very annoying writing this
Speaker 1: every year. The editors that the second you posted, of course,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh Stefan tour retired, Oh can you go?
Speaker 1: Can we just say oh this this or that happened?
Speaker 1: Oh this, you know, and it's like, we just gotta
Speaker 1: we just gotta rewrite this for the next three months.
Speaker 1: We did not update the Alex Mack retirement. So maybe
Speaker 1: the maybe let me clarify the autopsy is on the
Speaker 1: series itself. Okay, So now Greg his his football mind,
Speaker 1: has dug through all these teams, and now we're going
Speaker 1: to pick through the remains of Gregg's insane rantings, like
Speaker 1: the rantings, the takes that go with it, more than
Speaker 1: the projected starters and speaking of insane rantings on the
Speaker 1: back of the west Off book this, how about this
Speaker 1: what do they call the little pool quotes? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: basically your blurb but blurb. Yeah, we called Mike west
Speaker 1: Off the mad scientist. He changed the game. Rock Goodell
Speaker 1: Comma NFL commissioner. Do you think or did did a
Speaker 1: Goodell handler? How about you asked Mike west Off that
Speaker 1: when he's on I promised to ask that question. It's
Speaker 1: very outspoken. I think Willner reached that to a pr
Speaker 1: representative with the NFL told them what they were looking for.
Speaker 1: They got an email back, and now I don't know
Speaker 1: who that's right, that's half the equation. But now we're
Speaker 1: doing an autopsy on the back blurb for the west
Speaker 1: just trying to let people know this is how the
Speaker 1: real stuff goes down. But before that, let us hit
Speaker 1: the news. It's because they were going to bang time
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Speaker 1: you can build a team that will build your business.
Speaker 1: Learn more up work dot com. All right, listen, Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers day be out of the news this offseason? Not
Speaker 1: so yeah, you know he He says he could definitely
Speaker 1: see the end coming to his career. We know he's
Speaker 1: back after redoing his deal with the Packers. Of course,
Speaker 1: this is also uh surprising that he lost his number
Speaker 1: one wide receiver Davante Adams. You wonder, you wonder if
Speaker 1: he would have had that information at hand. I guess
Speaker 1: we've heard that maybe he did, but I don't know
Speaker 1: what He still made the same decision about going back
Speaker 1: to Green Bay. Who knows. But we'll see how this
Speaker 1: season plays out. We'll see what Greg has to say
Speaker 1: about the Packers roster a little bit later. But Rogers
Speaker 1: is introspective right now, Mark, and he is thinking about
Speaker 1: a future that doesn't rely on football, because it's not
Speaker 1: he said about the game. The game to him still
Speaker 1: comes easily. But we've heard this so many times. It's
Speaker 1: everything around it, the preparation, the hours needed to be
Speaker 1: a truly great quarter reckon he is is the back
Speaker 1: to back m v P. Of course, Uh so, Rodgers,
Speaker 1: maybe this is it. We shall see. I think it's
Speaker 1: very much a I'm letting you know that next season
Speaker 1: could be the end. The one after that could be
Speaker 1: the end. The one after that could because he's what
Speaker 1: essentially three one year deals and this is not this
Speaker 1: is what Aaron Rodgers has been saying for a very
Speaker 1: long time, and I there was a period where every
Speaker 1: quarterback released the press release saying I'm gonna play until
Speaker 1: age forty five. Well, I don't think with Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: that that's the same d n A with it him
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady has his mind is when I start
Speaker 1: hearing this from any athlete. I agree that he can
Speaker 1: go be as proficient and talented as possible on the field,
Speaker 1: I think he can separate that. But mentally, when you're
Speaker 1: playing football and you start thinking about the fact that
Speaker 1: this is not what I want to do with my
Speaker 1: life anymore, on some level, I that would concern me
Speaker 1: from a starting quarterback. Not overly concerned. This is he's
Speaker 1: a compartmentalizer. He could he thinks differently. He's going to
Speaker 1: write his own original Dan. I know that it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be what people expect. But when this is in
Speaker 1: the head of your quarterback, the end is near. I mean,
Speaker 1: the guy turns forty next season, so he he'll turn
Speaker 1: thirty nine. He started he et on the bench for
Speaker 1: three years behind Farv. This is his eighteen season, but
Speaker 1: he hasn't started all those years, right and it's not.
Speaker 1: It's none of its surprising. You're right mark the year
Speaker 1: to year. Then again, he's set to make fifty nine
Speaker 1: million next year and in forty nine the year after that.
Speaker 1: You're really gonna you're gonna pass that up. You're gonna
Speaker 1: the way it's structured, I don't think he has to
Speaker 1: give back any guarantees, because that was one thing I
Speaker 1: was curious about when I heard this, Like, wait, isn't
Speaker 1: he guaranteed money into next year? No? Not really. I
Speaker 1: mean he he is, and he is, and he got
Speaker 1: the big signing bonus in the salary. He's just huge.
Speaker 1: But I'm with you, Mark, I don't think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be playing that late. And that would mean that this
Speaker 1: could be what if it has a bad season. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna want to be the sixth
Speaker 1: best quarterback in the league. But forty nine million and
Speaker 1: fifty nine million, what if they play off meltdown? It's
Speaker 1: like you have to go through the whole process all
Speaker 1: over again. I think it could be enough to convince
Speaker 1: him two ejector scene. That's and that's more or less
Speaker 1: um what he said in his comments. It's the other
Speaker 1: stuff that wears on you and makes you think about
Speaker 1: life after football. Tommy obviously set the bar so high
Speaker 1: with playing so many years, but I could definitely see
Speaker 1: the end coming. In other news, retirements, let's get caught
Speaker 1: up with some roster retirements. Alex mack Stefan too. It
Speaker 1: Romeo Crannell who after nearly forty seasons and coaching, he
Speaker 1: announced his retirement at age seventy four. But these are
Speaker 1: guys that had big years, Uh to it and Mac,
Speaker 1: they're walking away from the game with something left to give.
Speaker 1: Yeah to it nine, I mean was all pro type
Speaker 1: of player. In was one of the keys to that defense,
Speaker 1: and I think was one of the reasons why they
Speaker 1: were so bad last year. People kind of sleep on
Speaker 1: the fact that the Steelers defense was mediocre and to
Speaker 1: it had some off field stuff. Um, his brother had
Speaker 1: passed away, he had some physical stuff, so they're used
Speaker 1: to not playing with him since he wasn't there last year.
Speaker 1: But also that's a major loss, and they in the
Speaker 1: forty niners think that Mac is a major loss too,
Speaker 1: because they just spent the last three months trying to
Speaker 1: convince him to change his mind and he didn't, and
Speaker 1: so they have a couple of questions on their offensive
Speaker 1: line right now, right, because Mac has been nothing but
Speaker 1: consistent his entire career. Seven time Pro Bowler, He was
Speaker 1: a favorite of Shanahan, who was his offensive coordinator in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: In the year that Shanahan was there for one year,
Speaker 1: the offense got out to a great start. They were
Speaker 1: like seven and three, and then earlier on and then
Speaker 1: Alex Mack suffered a season ending injury. The line fell apart,
Speaker 1: the whole offense fell apart. A year later, Shanahan brought
Speaker 1: him to Atlanta and then tugged in to San Francisco.
Speaker 1: And if he's if now that he's gone, Jake Brendel
Speaker 1: is its center, it looks like and the interior of
Speaker 1: their line, if you go look at what PFF thinks
Speaker 1: of it is a lot less um glowing than a
Speaker 1: year ago. Right, And to it we can skip this
Speaker 1: part of projected started like his loss is a reminder
Speaker 1: that this defense on paper not that excited. Also, give
Speaker 1: Romeo what a career, not just the time with the
Speaker 1: Giants and certainly the Patriots, but even I know it
Speaker 1: was a lot of bad moments as the Brown's head coach.
Speaker 1: But here's just a fact for you. There have been
Speaker 1: third team coaches that have coached the brown since they returned.
Speaker 1: Only three of them have ever won ten games in
Speaker 1: the season, So I think it's a losing proposition. You're
Speaker 1: fighting up hill when you become the Browns coach and
Speaker 1: the Gromeo Cornal what Maybe he didn't do that bad
Speaker 1: a job, so he got so they had this sort
Speaker 1: of magical ten and six campaign with Derek Anderson at quarterback,
Speaker 1: a deal with the Devil type of scenario where he
Speaker 1: was essentially like a raging upscale Pro bowler for one season.
Speaker 1: They gave Romeo Cornell a big contact contract extension. In
Speaker 1: the next year, I think they went four and twelve
Speaker 1: and didn't win another more than five games for another
Speaker 1: six seasons. So you're right it was an outlier, but
Speaker 1: I think he might have been in there are others
Speaker 1: out there. The nicest coach that we've ever It's like
Speaker 1: one of the nicest men and just like never really
Speaker 1: you saw him get like angry or unflappable at anyone.
Speaker 1: Maybe BB's favorite Belichick's favorite. If I had to guess
Speaker 1: who was like his favorite assistant in all of these years,
Speaker 1: my guests would be Romeo that those hugs that they
Speaker 1: would have at the end of you could ask Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick on Thursday when he joins us on the show
Speaker 1: just kidding that will never happen. Uh NFL Networks Tom
Speaker 1: Pella Sera reports that the forts, well, have we ever asked?
Speaker 1: We have not extended an in fight, and how about
Speaker 1: we have something? I think owners meetings we because we
Speaker 1: kind of the spread um let's and try to get
Speaker 1: everyone and see who says yes. I think we might
Speaker 1: have asked, but that's like speed dating. We have to
Speaker 1: make it special. We have to button up the bell
Speaker 1: Check letters. Sure. Check out Mark Sessler's long form when
Speaker 1: he was a boy writing to Bellichick and he got
Speaker 1: a letter back. We got a button that up. We
Speaker 1: got Greg and the crush that he's had on Bellichick
Speaker 1: all these years. I obviously have a lot of respect
Speaker 1: for Bill Bellichick despite some of the agon he's brought
Speaker 1: to my life. Bill Belichick, let's get him on the show.
Speaker 1: Why don't we set that a goal now that we
Speaker 1: are staying here at the NFL, to get Bill bell
Speaker 1: Check on the show before the end. Like Sean Kelly
Speaker 1: behind the guys just gave me a very like earnest
Speaker 1: thumbs up, like, no problem, working on it. Way to go, boss,
Speaker 1: I'll mind. Do you remember me I asked you a question.
Speaker 1: I asked you a question about Antonio Pierce at the
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven my first my first Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: It was a big deal to me at the time.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, really, I'll really get a good answer
Speaker 1: asking about the other anyway, Jimmy G. Jimmy G. What's
Speaker 1: up with Jimmy G? NFL Networks Tom Palicero reports that
Speaker 1: the forty Niners have excused Jimmy Garoppolo from the team's
Speaker 1: mandatory minicamp. He is recovering, of course, from off season
Speaker 1: offseason shoulder surgery. He was not trade did by the
Speaker 1: forty Niners obviously to this point, and now you wonder
Speaker 1: where he is in the team's pecking order with Trey
Speaker 1: Lance ready and waiting or so it seems. So. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we don't know if Jimmy G's gonna be with the Niners,
Speaker 1: but he won't be practicing with him at least until
Speaker 1: at the very earliest training camp. It borders for me
Speaker 1: on a non story because like there's the the goal
Speaker 1: has to be to shop him at some point in camp,
Speaker 1: probably when when disaster strikes another team and he looks
Speaker 1: more like a favorable option. Why even have him in
Speaker 1: the building and receive as much as a paper cut.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be dangerous though. I'm with you, though, I
Speaker 1: think there are some stories that it's like, I just
Speaker 1: want to enter it for the record in the news.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's nothing to say, but it's you've got to
Speaker 1: enter it for the record, Dan, that's important to have
Speaker 1: it on record and for posterity. Also, I kind of
Speaker 1: missed this. I don't know, maybe I was out and
Speaker 1: you guys talked about it. But speaking at O T
Speaker 1: A S in the last week and make Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: said of Garoppolo, X, I expect it sometime he'll be traded,
Speaker 1: but it's not a guarantee. It went on hold when
Speaker 1: the surgery happened. So I mean, if the coach is
Speaker 1: saying he's expecting it to happen, they probably feel pretty
Speaker 1: confident it will happen. But also the door is open,
Speaker 1: and then again they've probably had conversations that have led
Speaker 1: them to be I think that like he is sick
Speaker 1: of being the nice guy, which makes sense. Well, he's
Speaker 1: he's himself said that it's been a trying journey as
Speaker 1: as nice as he's been about it. UM. In Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson News, another woman has filed a civil lawsuit against Watson,
Speaker 1: raising the number of women who have accused the Browns
Speaker 1: quarterback of inappropriate sexual conduct to twenty four. Twenty four
Speaker 1: women now and Deshaun Watson and his legal representations say
Speaker 1: that all twenty four are lying and that legal representation,
Speaker 1: UM greg continues to make an ass of itself when
Speaker 1: they go on the radio and really anytime they open
Speaker 1: their mouth. Uh. And another example that happened during an
Speaker 1: interview earlier this week or late last week, Yeah with
Speaker 1: our friend Seth Payne. It was on his show Houston
Speaker 1: and Yeah, Rusty Harden made the case um that happy endings,
Speaker 1: in his words, are not a crime. Uh if money
Speaker 1: was not paid extra for him. This is Shaun Watson's
Speaker 1: legal representation is supposed to be helping them out pointing
Speaker 1: that out. And then as part of that exact quote
Speaker 1: said later, doing something or saying something or being a
Speaker 1: way that makes you uncomfortable is not a crime. First
Speaker 1: of all, we're not. It's not criminal conduct anymore. That's
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, because these are civil allegations. But
Speaker 1: number two, these statements were so dumb to put out there, um,
Speaker 1: not just from a pr angle, but from a legal angle,
Speaker 1: that they are quoted directly in this um complaints. So
Speaker 1: this is lawyer work, right. So the twenty three and
Speaker 1: four cases have happened since we've last talked about at
Speaker 1: least there was also and this one now, the one
Speaker 1: refers exactly to that because it gets to the idea
Speaker 1: that Watson is okay making these women feel uncomfortable. The
Speaker 1: allegations also include, um that he you know, he took
Speaker 1: out his penis and he he ejaculated on or without permission,
Speaker 1: which is uncomfortable here. But that's like what it is
Speaker 1: in more than a few of these. And like we
Speaker 1: know that the lawyer and the agent, um, don't you know,
Speaker 1: they're not concerned with the women. Um. But I think
Speaker 1: there's a case to be made for they're not really
Speaker 1: looking out for Deshaun Watson's best interest either here because
Speaker 1: they could have stopped all of this. Last October there
Speaker 1: was a moment there where reported according to Mike Florio,
Speaker 1: the women were willing to accept a hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: for this all to go away last October was part
Speaker 1: of the doll and they could have ended it right then,
Speaker 1: and the ca us that they have now because the
Speaker 1: price has certainly gone up. I think in the meantime
Speaker 1: and the costa Watson and the Browns in his life
Speaker 1: and everything in the meantime also shows he's not getting
Speaker 1: good advice, among other things. Not that it's not all
Speaker 1: his fault. I mean, Rusty Harden, it's not been an
Speaker 1: attorney for four weeks, like he should know. The number
Speaker 1: one rule is that probably your client is gonna go
Speaker 1: say stuff that requires damage control. Point to Shaun Watson's
Speaker 1: press conference with the Browns where everything that came out
Speaker 1: of his mouth felt like he was seeing this in
Speaker 1: a completely different way and accountable for none of it.
Speaker 1: And so Rusty Harden, if anything, say nothing. I'm not
Speaker 1: arguing that, like they look completely like buffoons in this
Speaker 1: whole situation, but at this point I think it expedites
Speaker 1: the NFL having to come in with what we expedites,
Speaker 1: just do something. The lawyers did say that he finished
Speaker 1: four different interviews with the NFL and that's over now.
Speaker 1: How about his still being discussed. We should know. And
Speaker 1: Rusty Harden said on the I Believe the same interview,
Speaker 1: there's a good possibility the NFL will make a decision
Speaker 1: on Watson's status that he won't like, meaning likely a
Speaker 1: suspension is coming hard and also added he doesn't expect
Speaker 1: these two new lawsuits to change the NFL's timeline. All right, okay,
Speaker 1: well we'll see, but it is now dragging almost into
Speaker 1: uh as we head into mid June. June, almost no
Speaker 1: word from the NFL on punishment for Deshaun Watson. So
Speaker 1: that's where that story is at. And that, my friends,
Speaker 1: was News and Notes presented by upwork, the world's work marketplace.
Speaker 1: Learn more at upwork dot com. That was a bulging,
Speaker 1: dramatic pause just with triplets. Greg's wording there, he said
Speaker 1: words that have never been uttered on this podcast, and
Speaker 1: it's knocked me for a leap, and I'm it's understandable,
Speaker 1: kind of knock me, knock me aside. There Now, I'm
Speaker 1: back up. All right, let's take a break and then
Speaker 1: get to Projected Starters Autopsy Projected Starters. The series has done.
Speaker 1: Greg did the work and the work was good. It
Speaker 1: was good work. Mark. It's a great read. It's eight
Speaker 1: great reads. It's a man that clearly has his finger
Speaker 1: on the pulse. But now there is no more longer
Speaker 1: a pulse on the exercise. It's on a slate, slap slab, slab.
Speaker 1: Sitting there on a slab, we're getting out our scalbels,
Speaker 1: putting on our gloves, putting our scrub scrubbing in. Do
Speaker 1: you have to do that hand washing doctor thing before surgery?
Speaker 1: If it's autopsy, it's a dead internet. If it's a
Speaker 1: dead internet article. That's where we rested on this. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you need to wash her, but I
Speaker 1: think it's in a real opposite. I think being sterile
Speaker 1: and clean, and yes, you should probably wash your hands.
Speaker 1: Let's sterilize, all right, Mark and I are gonna sterilize
Speaker 1: now one moment. All right, we're back, We're fully sterilized,
Speaker 1: feeling pure. How do we get another contract? I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here we are right now. I no idea. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to do my idea for this segment. What was
Speaker 1: your idea? It was like, what was it? It was
Speaker 1: me throwing out the takes and you you judging it
Speaker 1: on one to contrarian. But you had this vision of
Speaker 1: the Yeah, I want I want to see where this goes.
Speaker 1: The shouldn't be close to an autopsy procedure, just the
Speaker 1: trays of food that you're eating off of, Like it
Speaker 1: sounds unrighteous. Um, here we go. I like that. In fact,
Speaker 1: let's fold that into it. It's part of the overall conversation.
Speaker 1: What is it contrarian? Or it was like I missed
Speaker 1: that text entirely, so you were You actually also responded
Speaker 1: to Greg's texts and said, I think that's a really
Speaker 1: good idea. There's a lot there. And then it was
Speaker 1: just people are learning. This is an autopsy of how
Speaker 1: the show has made. I missed it. That's listen. You
Speaker 1: gotta take ownership. Sometimes. Henry sent a very nice tweet
Speaker 1: out and he's like, you, guys, you don't even know
Speaker 1: the the amount of work that goes on behind the
Speaker 1: scenes to make around the NFL what it is, and
Speaker 1: this is it right here, these texts takes a lot
Speaker 1: of work at least. Um, all right, let's get into it. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's on the slab. It's time to dig in, and
Speaker 1: I'll start here. Greg. Okay, you go through all these
Speaker 1: rosters and when you see the teams, when you're writing
Speaker 1: these up the teams that had the really strong roster
Speaker 1: that are super Bowl content. On the teams at the
Speaker 1: very top of this exercise in terms of loaded teams,
Speaker 1: quote unquote, what was the biggest flaw on an otherwise
Speaker 1: really strong roster, Like, what was one that really stood
Speaker 1: out to you was like, oh wow, okay, uh, this
Speaker 1: could undermine a potential champion. I feel like with more
Speaker 1: than not, it's offensive lines. I would say the Bills
Speaker 1: offensive line. I like love the Bills in general. How
Speaker 1: can you not? And if you look at their offensive line,
Speaker 1: they were mediocre last year, I would say, and they
Speaker 1: kind of replaced guys with run first type of players.
Speaker 1: So could Josh Allen be under a lot of pressure here? Uh?
Speaker 1: Spencer Brown, Uh, Roger Staffolds who didn't have the best
Speaker 1: season for the Titans last year. Gravers Titans, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: they they played this guy, Ryan Bates, who's a restricted
Speaker 1: free agent. That's one that immediately comes to mind. Certainly
Speaker 1: the Packers pass catchers is but that's an obvious one, right,
Speaker 1: But I thought you kind of thought maybe that wouldn't
Speaker 1: be too too much of an issue, you know, because
Speaker 1: I think the rest of the team is is great.
Speaker 1: I would say the Broncos are similar in the offensive
Speaker 1: I feel like there was a couple of teams like
Speaker 1: that where the Broncos offensive line can ruin everything. The
Speaker 1: offensive line could be an issue for some of these teams.
Speaker 1: How about you mark throughout something so as you go
Speaker 1: through thirty two of these and you know, obviously it's
Speaker 1: not like you're just meeting these teams for the first
Speaker 1: minute when you do it. But was there one team
Speaker 1: where your impression of who they are what they are
Speaker 1: right now changed the most that you maybe learned about
Speaker 1: the most, or maybe alter the way you feel about them.
Speaker 1: I felt like the Cardinals pop up as a team
Speaker 1: that after I was over, it was like this team
Speaker 1: could win five games, Like what what when you look
Speaker 1: at the Cardinals? What do you look at and say, like,
Speaker 1: that's what we're good at? Like, what is our big
Speaker 1: asset here? Now? Maybe it's when DeAndre Hopkins returns, it's
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and Brown and Hopkins and or and you
Speaker 1: have this vision of that all works in a passing game.
Speaker 1: I guess that's it. But I don't know. The offensive
Speaker 1: line on paper not getting me excited very thin. I
Speaker 1: think they overachieved in the secondary, but for the most part,
Speaker 1: I'm not in love with that group. They have these
Speaker 1: two linebackers they drafted in the first round, uh Zaven
Speaker 1: Collins and Isaiah Isaiah Simmons, who's kind of underperformed. Their
Speaker 1: defensive line, and their pass resh looks very thin, and
Speaker 1: you look at the rest of that division and you
Speaker 1: think about the coaching and the strife that's going on,
Speaker 1: and I felt much different about them, like worse. There
Speaker 1: were certain teams that I probably felt better. Toots would
Speaker 1: be one. So would you would you classify the Cardinals
Speaker 1: as like a a bad surprise where you went that
Speaker 1: would be a bad surprise. Yeah, what about a good surprise?
Speaker 1: The team where you're going through the roster. You didn't
Speaker 1: think much about them, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's like, WHOA, what do we got cooking here? I
Speaker 1: thought I'd be more down on the Colts than I am,
Speaker 1: and now I'm sort of convinced. Their pass rush, for instance,
Speaker 1: and their defense in general. They lost ebra Flos, the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, but I think replacing um who was Xavier
Speaker 1: Rhodes with Stephan Gilmour is good at cornerback and then
Speaker 1: you look at that pass rush Quity Pay who I
Speaker 1: liked in his second year, and then Buckner and adding
Speaker 1: in gock Way and they have um, the guy coming
Speaker 1: off a torn a c l slipping in my mind
Speaker 1: in his second year, Like, I like their defense a lot.
Speaker 1: And then I kind of looked at the rest of
Speaker 1: the group and I'm thinking, like, Okay, I'm back on board,
Speaker 1: back on board with the Colts. The Bengals were another one,
Speaker 1: not that I should be surprised by them, but I
Speaker 1: would say like, yeah, I was pleasantly surprised in a
Speaker 1: good way. The Saints, Like the more I looked at him,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think people are a little too down
Speaker 1: in the Saints. Everyone is jumping on the Lions bandwagon.
Speaker 1: Is the concept of a fun team that could, you know,
Speaker 1: suddenly win some games in a pretty shoddy division. Do
Speaker 1: you buy into the Lions after this project or do
Speaker 1: you say no, Oh, I'm totally in on the Lions.
Speaker 1: I think, what does it mean? What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Like just being a fun, exciting team, Like I had
Speaker 1: these things written down that we're like maybe, um, because
Speaker 1: I didn't know what we're gonna do here totally that
Speaker 1: were maybe the hot takes that you guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are some of these that I've already and one Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even know how that makes sense. We're both
Speaker 1: medical examiners. We may have different numbers. One of them
Speaker 1: was like, okay, everyone's in on the Cults. The Lions
Speaker 1: offensive line, great offensive line, looks like a top five
Speaker 1: offensive one. How about the Lions defensive line might be
Speaker 1: a top five to ten defensive line. You're cooking with
Speaker 1: gas here that both of these lines could be among
Speaker 1: the very best in the league. Here's what you're working with,
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson added to a group that already had Romeo Acquara,
Speaker 1: Charles Davis is coming off I mean, Charles Harris coming
Speaker 1: off a career year. You have these two young defensive
Speaker 1: tackles who they're hoping to develop. Own was own Rozarique.
Speaker 1: You have Romeo our Car's brother. You have a Lee McNeil.
Speaker 1: You've got a lot of players. I didn't even mention
Speaker 1: Michael Brocker's they drafted Josh Pascal. I like the teams
Speaker 1: that's got like seven or eight guys where their backups
Speaker 1: at like some teams starters is contraryan ten or? Is
Speaker 1: it one hundred in this exercise. I don't know. Oh,
Speaker 1: I thought it was a ten. That was just I
Speaker 1: just didn't want to come in with something. If we're
Speaker 1: going to a scale one, I'm going to give that
Speaker 1: a four because I think you backed up. I agree
Speaker 1: with the offensive line and if it's not a wild
Speaker 1: hot take from out of space, with the facts that
Speaker 1: you the defensive line would be the top ten part
Speaker 1: you need. You need these things to click, obviously, like
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutcheson has to hit the ground running, Joshua Pascal,
Speaker 1: you need that guy to hit the round running ground running.
Speaker 1: You get Um Levi a newsic car. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: tough one. Uh. He's the second year pro, so you
Speaker 1: need these guys to get him Mabel who they drafted
Speaker 1: high last year, both of them. And we're like, fine,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that you can like be totally
Speaker 1: on board that they're gonna be people like Aaron Glenn too.
Speaker 1: He is a guy seen as an on the rise
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. UM could put himself and if they take
Speaker 1: the leap, he will be a hot name on the
Speaker 1: head coach market UM next year. Aaron Glenn, all right,
Speaker 1: I will give that a five. You know, I think
Speaker 1: that was and that's good. I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: where that means. It's it's a reason to take that
Speaker 1: wasn't one of my higher rank but they tried to
Speaker 1: rank like if I only had time for a few
Speaker 1: that did say I have to say, you said that
Speaker 1: that they could be special in the right up, which,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna move it. But that's a contrarian
Speaker 1: I'm gonna six. I'm gonna put it six. It's good though,
Speaker 1: it's Lyons pop is tryon right now, right, it's not
Speaker 1: it's not contrarian. Um. How about Khalil Mack is the
Speaker 1: third biggest free agent addition to the third most important
Speaker 1: three free agent addition to the Chargers defense. To me,
Speaker 1: where you look where they struggled a year ago. J C. Jackson,
Speaker 1: I think is gonna have a bigger impact. And then
Speaker 1: you've got Sebastian Joseph Day, who's really fixing a position
Speaker 1: that they didn't that they needed more. They also added
Speaker 1: Austin Johnson, who's like a run stopper, so that kind
Speaker 1: of combining those two. Max replacing a guy who was
Speaker 1: pretty good in the first place, Nuosu who had who
Speaker 1: had a nice impact and like that team. Maybe I'm
Speaker 1: ranting too much, but that that team has a lot
Speaker 1: of questions on their defense. There's a lot of talent
Speaker 1: that they got to produce it didn't produce last I
Speaker 1: like this one. I'm gonna give this a six and
Speaker 1: a half because if you get the version of Khalil
Speaker 1: Mac where you're not getting what you had a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, uh, then it isn't a massive upgrade
Speaker 1: from what they had. I do think though, because he
Speaker 1: knows he knows the system, he knows Brandon Staley really well,
Speaker 1: and you've got but what it could do is help
Speaker 1: Bosa in so many ways if he comes in and
Speaker 1: plays like the good version of Khalil Max. But I
Speaker 1: still think that's a spicy take six points. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like the contrarian thing is that maybe
Speaker 1: that was the wrong way to look at it, but
Speaker 1: maybe it's like a spicy meatball. Like I think that's
Speaker 1: pretty spicy meatball. Um. I put that in a seven
Speaker 1: and a half because I think people like to gravitate
Speaker 1: towards who's the veteran name same thing up in Buffalo,
Speaker 1: von Miller. He's going to be the guy that puts
Speaker 1: him over the top. Well, this is the von Miller
Speaker 1: that showed up in the playoffs. Yes, it was the
Speaker 1: von Miller that is another year older. And maybe in
Speaker 1: decline they're gonna need other guys are gonna end up
Speaker 1: being more important. But I like that one. We're flying.
Speaker 1: Let's keep rolling. Greg, give us an Now, I'm just
Speaker 1: doing these like this. Okay. I wish you guys would
Speaker 1: have flagged this before this morning. We should do something
Speaker 1: like that, I mean did if you read the thread,
Speaker 1: he looks very much like you looked at Greg's suggestion
Speaker 1: in response to suggestion, because you're a nice guy when
Speaker 1: in general, when you want a disregard to an idea,
Speaker 1: you probably just will ignore it. And we it was also,
Speaker 1: by the way, Sunday for us. You know, we were
Speaker 1: having our own Sunday, so it was like it on Sunday.
Speaker 1: This morning was maybe you're right, I don't even remember.
Speaker 1: I mean, Kevin dangers and was doing it Sunday if
Speaker 1: he doesn't, but hey, I was. I was the assistant
Speaker 1: coach the season finale for the Dodgers. The l A
Speaker 1: Dodgers Walker Rosen was This was this only text thread
Speaker 1: that also has Graver on it. No, this was this was,
Speaker 1: this was this morning was just us doing who cares?
Speaker 1: All right, here's um, here's one. Josh McDaniels retaining, that's fun.
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel retains, it's like that's fun or it sounds good,
Speaker 1: like no matter what the idea is, that's true. Well,
Speaker 1: that's It's kind of why I wanted to bring this
Speaker 1: whole thing up because I think our listeners will enjoy it. Was.
Speaker 1: I have no memory of what's occurred in the past.
Speaker 1: I'm go ahead, all right, here's another one. Mike McDaniel,
Speaker 1: Dolphins coach, retaining defensive coordinator Josh Boyer top top five
Speaker 1: sneaky big moves of the off season that no one's
Speaker 1: talking about. I flat out agree with you, because the
Speaker 1: other thing is you get a new scheme, ten ten
Speaker 1: new players. The defense was good. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's a spicy people, but you look at that defense.
Speaker 1: Every year. I do this exercise every year. I think
Speaker 1: this team doesn't really look this roster doesn't really look
Speaker 1: that good. And then I'm more down on the Dolphins
Speaker 1: than I should be. And then Flora's and Boyer because
Speaker 1: you gotta give Boyer some credit. He was a coordinated
Speaker 1: somehow make the parts bigger than the Some of their
Speaker 1: parts are are bigger. And if you look at this defense,
Speaker 1: it's mostly the same guys they brought back, uh, similar guys.
Speaker 1: They added some young talent. They kept the same coordinator
Speaker 1: knew first time Howard coached. That's a little unorthodox. It actually,
Speaker 1: I think shows a little self confidence that this is
Speaker 1: a smart thing. Just keep this together, because they always
Speaker 1: end up performing better than you think on paper. I
Speaker 1: look at them, they're like, okay, you know what you
Speaker 1: never see And it would be the next level of
Speaker 1: like removing ego from all of this and just truly
Speaker 1: wanting this team to thrive. What if Vic Fonio had said,
Speaker 1: look at I'm cool, stay as your defensive coordinator and
Speaker 1: let hack it do the same thing. I know that
Speaker 1: just never happens, but in this case, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I thought. McDaniel basically said, let's lean on our strength,
Speaker 1: take out all the things that we learned after the firing.
Speaker 1: And of course the lawsuit that's going on right now
Speaker 1: involving Brian Flores and the Dolphins. Uh, just what he
Speaker 1: was able to bring to that team um uh him
Speaker 1: leaving the door, and he's a defensive minded coach. It
Speaker 1: will be interesting to see if they are able to
Speaker 1: continue to thrive with him gone. I like trying to
Speaker 1: keep the same system though, and the same I should say,
Speaker 1: like their front seven could be kind of fun. Jalen Phillips.
Speaker 1: They got Van Ginkle and Melvin Ingram are there kind
Speaker 1: of ed dressers. You have ag but you have Wilkins
Speaker 1: Like that's pretty good, but the secondary could be special.
Speaker 1: Davian Howard again back Byron Jones, great number two, and
Speaker 1: then Javon Holland who really flashed as a rookie safety,
Speaker 1: and then they like Brandon Like, that's four guys who
Speaker 1: you think could be difference makers in the same second,
Speaker 1: saying anything critical about Miami because I feel like the
Speaker 1: last couple of shows I've brought up negative things about them.
Speaker 1: Certainly there's a path here where the defense plays well
Speaker 1: to it takes the next step, and this is an eleven.
Speaker 1: The defense has been under the radar, that's sort I
Speaker 1: was like, what happened we talked about yet this offseason.
Speaker 1: Here I know someone who's been very critical of him,
Speaker 1: and we're about to talk to him. In a few minutes,
Speaker 1: and I would like to ask him a question. He
Speaker 1: was at Dolphins good last week. My question, alright, Greggy,
Speaker 1: give us another one. Okay, the Cowboys defense. I kind
Speaker 1: of forgot how good the Cowboys defense was most of
Speaker 1: the last year. Do you guys remember that they were
Speaker 1: number two and defense and it ended in very Cowboys fashion.
Speaker 1: I start of forgot about that after a disastrous year
Speaker 1: of the prior, right, and I was going into this
Speaker 1: thinking like, it's been a really bad off season for them.
Speaker 1: You know, they lost Freddy Gregory two on defense and secondary.
Speaker 1: There's still some good pieces here. But here's the take,
Speaker 1: which is that their defense comes down to Neville Gallimore
Speaker 1: and Osa Diggi Zua making a big leap, and those
Speaker 1: two guys are capable of making a big leap. If
Speaker 1: those two guys make a big leaf both defensive tackles,
Speaker 1: they could be right back there as one of the
Speaker 1: best defenses in the league. You again, here's that word,
Speaker 1: that s word. You said they could be special. You
Speaker 1: wrote um de Marcus Lawrence and Michael Parsons there and
Speaker 1: the Randy Gregory absence you don't see as a killer
Speaker 1: for them. Potentially, I mean, he's how many useful periods
Speaker 1: of football has Randy ever given you? I can go
Speaker 1: find them. There was about three hundreds of four hundred
Speaker 1: snaps at once. It happened in two thousands seventeen, and
Speaker 1: then it happened for a stretch last year. Then he
Speaker 1: got hurt and he came back and he wasn't really
Speaker 1: the same at the end of the year. He's never
Speaker 1: played more than five I think that loss has been overstated.
Speaker 1: And they have these two young guys who I like,
Speaker 1: O DIGGI Zoo look great last year. Gallimore I thought
Speaker 1: was great as a rookie. You didn't see it as much.
Speaker 1: So you have those two guys. You have Lawrence and
Speaker 1: and Parsons maybe the best duo in the league. You
Speaker 1: brought in Dante Fowler, you got Doris Armstrong who has
Speaker 1: done some things. It's like that's a great group. And
Speaker 1: on paper, the rest of the defense like doesn't get
Speaker 1: me jazz. But they they're all pretty young, and they
Speaker 1: were all there last year when it was going so well. Ell,
Speaker 1: so I can't like get to down I had I
Speaker 1: had in my notes. I had something about the Cowboys
Speaker 1: I wanted to discuss because I'm glad you hit on
Speaker 1: it because I'm given this an eight out of ten
Speaker 1: in terms of spicy meatball, because there's been so much
Speaker 1: critical talk of the Cowboys uh this spring uh that
Speaker 1: I feel like it's going too much the other way.
Speaker 1: Where you look at this roster, it's like, Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: maybe the wide receiver group isn't as good as it
Speaker 1: used to be, maybe the offensive line is long in
Speaker 1: the tooth now, but there is certainly a path where
Speaker 1: this team again wins that division that that that's a
Speaker 1: double digit win team. I think we assume this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a down cycle year for Dallas because that
Speaker 1: just feels the way it's probably where the land, but
Speaker 1: the pieces are there to be good well. I think
Speaker 1: also like the the division they're in could inflate you
Speaker 1: to extra wins to get into a wild card if
Speaker 1: they don't manage to knock out Philly and that thing.
Speaker 1: But dan Quinn made this all work. It's the same system,
Speaker 1: and I'm with you. I I don't think the defense
Speaker 1: needs to have a bigger fall off. I think that
Speaker 1: the perception around Dallas was the way they mishandled and
Speaker 1: have mispaid certain players on offense. I had a lot
Speaker 1: to do with this. It's mostly the offense, and and
Speaker 1: I'm pretty basic with my concerns there, and I think
Speaker 1: there are concerns, but the defense I kind of forgot
Speaker 1: like that. You look at the corner cornerbacks and yeah,
Speaker 1: Trevon Diggs picked off a lot of passes, but you're
Speaker 1: not like that excited. But they performed pretty well. Malee
Speaker 1: Cooker and j Ron Curs where their safety is not
Speaker 1: big names, but they played quite well last year. Um yes,
Speaker 1: and you know Zeke Elliott, you knowed here this is
Speaker 1: most likely his final season in Dallas, and I don't
Speaker 1: maybe he's not as explosive as he once was. But
Speaker 1: there's a chicken and egg situation here because the offensive
Speaker 1: line isn't as good as it once So it's either
Speaker 1: so you do you take him maybe lost a step
Speaker 1: the offensive line is taking a step back. That's become
Speaker 1: a very ordinary running game on some levels. But maybe
Speaker 1: he also seed some playing time. Um as the maybe
Speaker 1: it becomes more of a tandem approach. Straight up, at
Speaker 1: this point, uh In should game with Tony Pollard. Alright,
Speaker 1: anything else, Gregg, All right, let's just do some rap
Speaker 1: rapid uh takes here. I'm just gonna throw out a
Speaker 1: bunch of maybe you can you can pick which is
Speaker 1: the spy and I go back and forth and we
Speaker 1: just give a number after Okay, I was gonna say
Speaker 1: the spiciest meatball of the group, but okay, we can
Speaker 1: do that. We'll go rapid by Gary. Rashan Gary all pro?
Speaker 1: Can I just say one last thing? Yeah, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: again about the text, Stepho. That was okay. I don't
Speaker 1: think that we just blame you. I can understand how
Speaker 1: it happened. I also thought it happened yesterday. It was
Speaker 1: this morning. So all right there, you gotta start Rashan
Speaker 1: Gary All Pro season coming eight point five. That's a
Speaker 1: spicy meat ball as an eight and a half, okay,
Speaker 1: George Carl loftus rookie pass rusher, the key to the
Speaker 1: Chiefs defense. Let me these are spicy. Now we're getting somewhere.
Speaker 1: That's a nine, the key one of the keys. Do
Speaker 1: you want to give a little nug along with these?
Speaker 1: It's like press rush looks like a big problem if
Speaker 1: he does not deliver. And uh pff loves this Like
Speaker 1: I like this type of player. He reminds me a
Speaker 1: little bit of a Marcus Davenport Jenevan Clowney type. So
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna do well. Maybe not superstar, but
Speaker 1: do well. But they really need him otherwise. I don't know. Man.
Speaker 1: This is what Andy Reid had to say about him.
Speaker 1: He goes one hundred miles an hour walk through everything.
Speaker 1: We had to slow him down. He's relentless. He's had
Speaker 1: glowing reports and shorts. The Broncos if you added up
Speaker 1: the skill position players and pass rushers, uh, they have
Speaker 1: the most quality players in the league at those spots.
Speaker 1: Say that categories against skill position players and pass rushers, Like,
Speaker 1: if you're adding up who has the most of both
Speaker 1: of those combined quality? Just you just sort of slammed
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. But yeah, but like I'm saying, like quality players.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying top five guys, but like quality players.
Speaker 1: And then that team went and got a potential Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback seven point eight because I think I do.
Speaker 1: I do feel like we thought the Broncos were ready
Speaker 1: to go minus quarterbacks, like like they have about like
Speaker 1: six pass rushers and that you know, most teams that
Speaker 1: I really want to see Jerry Judy take a big
Speaker 1: leap this year. We all see it as a possibility.
Speaker 1: What was that Broncos country, Let's riot, that's one of
Speaker 1: the rushes um egos backups on the lines better than
Speaker 1: a lot of starters. We know you like that. And
Speaker 1: then finally, this is just more of a statement. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to watching the New York Giants play offensive football.
Speaker 1: You know what I let me say, And that's that's
Speaker 1: a good from you. That's a ten after what happened
Speaker 1: in two and again in don't believe me, but it's
Speaker 1: just the truth. Uh I saw that. It definitely caught
Speaker 1: my I that you were speaking somewhat positively. And there
Speaker 1: is I feel like the Candarius Tony um army out there, Norris,
Speaker 1: but I know that's probably the other person. I guess
Speaker 1: he would be the X factor because they kind of
Speaker 1: they could use someone that kind of breaks free. And
Speaker 1: you made the good point like who's like the outside
Speaker 1: threat in that group of Sterling Shepherd, uh wandall Robinson
Speaker 1: and Cadarius Tony, Like how does that break down? And
Speaker 1: does Daniel Jones have the ability to make the most
Speaker 1: of these guys to step up? Like the first season
Speaker 1: in half a decade, you don't lose like combined snaps
Speaker 1: by potential starters on your offense. Well, that's that's out
Speaker 1: of their control. Unless you want to get a strength
Speaker 1: and conditioning coach on the show next week. No I did,
Speaker 1: I did not wish to What would he tell us? All?
Speaker 1: I thought you were saying there were injuries. Those guys
Speaker 1: are good. I am suggesting that a Health Giants team
Speaker 1: would have been watchable in years past to some degree.
Speaker 1: That could be this guy gets it a good app
Speaker 1: likes like um, like second long p s a s
Speaker 1: that just you know, play before you watch a real video.
Speaker 1: I think if you're starting this new feed, you want
Speaker 1: to think like what can get the most attention in downloads?
Speaker 1: And I think going through season by season old Giants
Speaker 1: rosters and seeing what injury invests they had, that could
Speaker 1: be it. Like the number one tenant of this show,
Speaker 1: news wise, was always been looking forward, So it would
Speaker 1: be a massive pivot from what's made this successful. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: so stay tuned. This guy gets it with Mark Sessler
Speaker 1: also still still potentially in the mix, not in the mix,
Speaker 1: still in the mix, not in the mix. I'm with myself. Also,
Speaker 1: that was more that was a spot for a I'm
Speaker 1: annoyed now drop grave digger, just so you know I'm annoyed.
Speaker 1: Now there you go. All right, good job. Check out
Speaker 1: nfl dot com slash Projected Starters, always a great read
Speaker 1: and a good way to bone up gross. Let's take
Speaker 1: a break and then get to Mr Mike west Off.
Speaker 1: Welcome back. Our guest today is one of my all
Speaker 1: time favorites on the sidelines in the NFL. Great Run
Speaker 1: is the Jet special team's coach from two thousand one
Speaker 1: to two thousand and twelve. But he has a thirty
Speaker 1: two year career. Uh He now retired with the Cults, Dolphins, Jets,
Speaker 1: and Saints. Bethel Park p a native, and now he's
Speaker 1: got a new book out called Figure it Out My
Speaker 1: thirty two year journey while revolutionizing pro football special teams.
Speaker 1: It's Mike west Off. Welcome to around the NFL. Mr
Speaker 1: west Off, Well, thanks, guys, no happy to be here.
Speaker 1: This is let's start with the let's start with the
Speaker 1: subhead of the book, because we love you for your
Speaker 1: candor and you've always been a guy that's spoke in
Speaker 1: your mind. And and this is what the kids would
Speaker 1: call a flex when you say my thirty two year
Speaker 1: journey while revolutionizing pro football special teams? Yes, what do
Speaker 1: you think you did? What did you bring? I know
Speaker 1: this is kind of a broad question, but this is
Speaker 1: where where we can start. What was it that you
Speaker 1: brought that was different from what way special teams were before?
Speaker 1: You kind of establish yourself and made yourself, um, such
Speaker 1: a star in that realm. Okay, I'll give you two
Speaker 1: answers to it. First of all, I had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with writing that. Just disown it. You know you
Speaker 1: did it, you revolutionized And he agrees. You know that's
Speaker 1: written by that that's written by the publisher. As he
Speaker 1: went through and his way, he looked at what happened.
Speaker 1: That's so I'm okay with it. What the question is,
Speaker 1: what did I have to do with it? Pretty much everything?
Speaker 1: Oh I love it? What the what does that mean? Though? Like?
Speaker 1: What did you what do you think you see? What's
Speaker 1: the lasting impact? Okay, I'll give it to you. When
Speaker 1: I first started in the job in two with Frank Bush,
Speaker 1: I was hired to Frank and it's a great score
Speaker 1: egg and you have to read that one. But I
Speaker 1: was the frank head jobs available. He look he needed
Speaker 1: a strength coach. The guy that might help with special teams.
Speaker 1: Need a tight ends vote all right, assistant offensive line coach,
Speaker 1: someone to help them. He said, I'm not sure how
Speaker 1: to do this. I said, I'll do them all. Get
Speaker 1: them all to me. Now. I didn't do any of
Speaker 1: them very well, I'll tell you the truth, but I
Speaker 1: said them all. So I started. And then we were
Speaker 1: in our first year and we played two games and
Speaker 1: went on the players around Drke. I was out for
Speaker 1: a jog one day and came across Frank and he said,
Speaker 1: come on, walk with me. I want to talk to you.
Speaker 1: He said, I'm gonna fire special teams coach. He said, Mike,
Speaker 1: he's terrible. I said, don't fire him. He's helping the defense.
Speaker 1: I'll take it. Let me take it over. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: good news, My thanks a lot. I knew nothing. I
Speaker 1: didn't know a thing about special teams. What I realized
Speaker 1: in a hurry he gave me a notebook. No book
Speaker 1: should have come with the bounds, and it was terrible.
Speaker 1: So I started this and what I found out in
Speaker 1: a hurry was that there were no special teams coordinators
Speaker 1: then there just it was divided up among the staff.
Speaker 1: There was very little, if any creativity and that very little.
Speaker 1: It was just very not It was not innovative, and
Speaker 1: there was also almost no regulation, so you can try everything.
Speaker 1: So what I did I called the philosophy. I wanted
Speaker 1: to have a coverage team emulate a defense, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to blitz. My defense was gonna blitz. So I
Speaker 1: went to budget person, one of the great defensive coordinators
Speaker 1: in NFL history. I said, but take me through the
Speaker 1: perimeters of blitzing. I patterned my pickoff coverage after that,
Speaker 1: and I believe anybody would tell you that was coverage
Speaker 1: to ever go against, which we were really going and
Speaker 1: presented a problem. Then as an offensive coach, I thought, well, okay,
Speaker 1: what am I going to pick off return? What's this
Speaker 1: to be like? Well, I wanted it to be a
Speaker 1: power off tackle running play, so I double team and
Speaker 1: I tracked my kickout was away. I learned how it
Speaker 1: cut the backside off, just like offensive line would have
Speaker 1: to do, and I patterned it after that, and we
Speaker 1: broke pretty much most of the records, so you know,
Speaker 1: it worked. And that's how I developed myself as a
Speaker 1: special team's coach and a coordinator. But it's on I
Speaker 1: came a a at the right place, in the right time.
Speaker 1: I hoped it was part of it. I think I
Speaker 1: I think I had a part thanking it to a pinnacle.
Speaker 1: It has since, because of rule changes, etcetera, become you know,
Speaker 1: it's gradually deleted on a little bit. You know, have
Speaker 1: the number of plays, so things are vastly different. And
Speaker 1: but I believed I was part of that rise. Also,
Speaker 1: there were a great number of other coaches that jumped
Speaker 1: right in with us, and we took it to a
Speaker 1: point of real prominence. And it was fun to be
Speaker 1: a part of. And that's what I wrote about Coach.
Speaker 1: I've got to ask you something because you know, as
Speaker 1: we researched and looked at this book and some of
Speaker 1: the the quotes coming out of it and some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that you wrote, I mean, it's obviously very
Speaker 1: rich with your time with the New York Jets. You
Speaker 1: talk about Tim Tebow in a very pointed way. You've
Speaker 1: got some stuff on Eric Manginie, Rex Ryan, the whole caboose.
Speaker 1: But I read that you had to utilize your girlfriend
Speaker 1: as what you called a dial down instructor because some
Speaker 1: of your takes, some of your anecdotes were a little
Speaker 1: too hot for the public. Is that true? That's correct.
Speaker 1: Let's bring them out now, Mike, if you could, no,
Speaker 1: I won't do that, would read. I would read parts
Speaker 1: to her almost every night, and you know, and sometimes
Speaker 1: she would say, you know, Mike, that down a little bit.
Speaker 1: And for the most part, I actually did help me
Speaker 1: with that because I'm not afraid. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: be overcritical, and I tried to be very fair. I
Speaker 1: mean some of the things, don't you know, some of
Speaker 1: the things that a little bitness misunderstood, Like with Tim Tebow.
Speaker 1: I'll give you real quickly. Um, Tim Tebow is what
Speaker 1: he is, you know he was. He's a marginal quarterback
Speaker 1: at past He's a Heisman Trophy winner that deserves to
Speaker 1: win it. In my opinion, he managed what he had
Speaker 1: exceptionally well. Now, when we signed Tim Tebow, it was
Speaker 1: under the premise that he would be a multitalented guy
Speaker 1: to play a number of positions and be like a
Speaker 1: wildcat quarterback. He was gonna play for me on my
Speaker 1: put team because I could do all the faced with them.
Speaker 1: I'm the only one that upheld that part of the bargain.
Speaker 1: I used him, and he did a great job. With me,
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow was not part of the problem. Tebow is
Speaker 1: what he is. Is he a starting quarterback in the
Speaker 1: halfl I don't please so hey. Bill Belichick had the
Speaker 1: same opinion, asked him, you don't believe me because he
Speaker 1: did the same thing. They let him go. But that
Speaker 1: was the reality of the situation, and we never used
Speaker 1: an offense. So in my opinion, that was very, very
Speaker 1: much much used and the Tebow was only part of
Speaker 1: that equition. That always felt to me, Mike as as
Speaker 1: a Jets fan, um an example of one hand not
Speaker 1: washing the other. Where you knew ownership perhaps and certain
Speaker 1: figures in the organization, Oh let's get this kid in
Speaker 1: the building will be the story of the league. And
Speaker 1: then the coaching staff. For the most part, you had
Speaker 1: a defined role for him that you used. I remember
Speaker 1: him being the punt protector. In that role throughout the season,
Speaker 1: it became pretty apparent that he didn't really have a
Speaker 1: role on that offense, and that kind of that reminded
Speaker 1: me of when I think about that era of Jets
Speaker 1: football when things really started to snowball in the wrong
Speaker 1: direction and the and the team really went downhill in
Speaker 1: a hurry. I always think of that time with Uh
Speaker 1: with Tebow. I'm I'm also curious your your career ended
Speaker 1: in two thousand after the two thousand eighteen season, Mike Uh,
Speaker 1: the final game I guess that you coached Saints Rams
Speaker 1: NFC title game, a game that you've UH said before
Speaker 1: was the toughest loss of your long career, and that,
Speaker 1: of course was the Nickel Robie Coleman game between the
Speaker 1: Saints and Rams. Was it difficult to go out on
Speaker 1: that in that matter? And was there a part of
Speaker 1: you that said, I can't go out with a game
Speaker 1: that painful when you had a super Bowl window there?
Speaker 1: Take us through that a little bit. I didn't see
Speaker 1: it that way. It was time for me to go.
Speaker 1: I coached thirty two years. I was a pretty good
Speaker 1: football we had taken that team, which I'm correcting that
Speaker 1: assessment Drew was drewid had had a career. Was love
Speaker 1: Wing just a tiny bit something? A great player? I
Speaker 1: think Sean Payton is an absolute excellent football coach. As
Speaker 1: I wrote about my book, He's the best on the
Speaker 1: field teacher I ever saw. Trust me. I used to
Speaker 1: sit there on Thursday and watch him design to play.
Speaker 1: Seen the draft chain thing on Sunday exact. That's how felt,
Speaker 1: that's how delivered he is in his teaching. So that
Speaker 1: for me was, you know, I felt that team. I
Speaker 1: felt the year before that we could have fought when
Speaker 1: we had the Minnesota miracles, they beat us. This was
Speaker 1: a good football team that had fought its way. Nothing
Speaker 1: needed to go to the Super Bowl, and I didn't
Speaker 1: get that chance. I was disappointed. For me personally, it
Speaker 1: was one of the I felt that they had a
Speaker 1: real weapon on their cut team, and when they ran face,
Speaker 1: they were very good at it. I researched it. I
Speaker 1: went back and studied everything they did all the way
Speaker 1: into St. Louis. I think I came up with my
Speaker 1: individual game plan that I've ever designed. I had them nailed.
Speaker 1: I had five defensive linemen. Every time they were gonna
Speaker 1: up the ball, we were in a space about a
Speaker 1: seven mante front. We were gonna double the wide guy,
Speaker 1: a flyer or gunner as you call him, to our
Speaker 1: right side where he or enter the front of the ball,
Speaker 1: to our left side, where he liked to throw a
Speaker 1: space a corner and moved it inside, and I packed
Speaker 1: him off five yards just a back pedal, and if
Speaker 1: they did throw the faith. You know he could have
Speaker 1: packed it because if you throw out a put formation
Speaker 1: to the wide receiver, there's no passive the fair patalty.
Speaker 1: And I practiced it until he breathwater throw the ball.
Speaker 1: I was totally prepared for it. I made a mistake.
Speaker 1: I made a mistake with that corner. I took a
Speaker 1: corner who was really a pro active player. He's the
Speaker 1: guy that could fly in the direction, and I put
Speaker 1: him in a reactive position. When I look back now,
Speaker 1: they ran a faith we all know coming. We're all
Speaker 1: screaming faith, faith, faith. But as this corner went back,
Speaker 1: as he did a hundred times in practice, now, when
Speaker 1: he planned to go after the wide guy achiever, he
Speaker 1: turned his back. He made a mistake. I should have
Speaker 1: plucked were killed. It always was only three points, but
Speaker 1: the way the game that was tough for me. I'm
Speaker 1: the one who made it, and I did that. Whether
Speaker 1: I had one of the best players I ever designed,
Speaker 1: I felt was brilliant. I love that taking us behind,
Speaker 1: because yeah, that was kind of a forgotten play. I'm
Speaker 1: totally with you. I think that two thousand seventeen to
Speaker 1: nineteen Saints team. Unfortunately for Saints fan's I think it's
Speaker 1: going to go down as one of the best teams
Speaker 1: to ever not win a Super Bowl, that that little
Speaker 1: three year kind of late breeze stretch. But the way
Speaker 1: you're talking about, like your matchup with Bones Fossil, the
Speaker 1: Rams coordinator at that time, of special teams, it gets
Speaker 1: to what you were talking about and how you revolutionize
Speaker 1: the sport, and that's what football is kind of all about,
Speaker 1: is like specialization. That's why Bill Belichick always tries to
Speaker 1: talk about Paul Brown as the guy who changed the
Speaker 1: game more than anyone because he made it more specialized.
Speaker 1: And you are kind of part of at evolution of
Speaker 1: the game making it more specialized. Drilling down, you are
Speaker 1: someone who coached against Bill Belichick for most of your career.
Speaker 1: A lot of your career. You were with Miami for
Speaker 1: fifteen years, and he was in New England for part
Speaker 1: of that as as a coordinator, and and then certainly
Speaker 1: when you were with the Jets and everything, And I
Speaker 1: know he has a big love for special teams and
Speaker 1: he approaches it differently. How are those matchups to you?
Speaker 1: How were you guys like different as special teams minds
Speaker 1: and what kind of stands out to you about your
Speaker 1: battles with Belichick over the years. He was much more
Speaker 1: conservative than I was. He was not. He was gonna
Speaker 1: make every effort to not let that part of the
Speaker 1: game beat him. He knew, he knew he had the
Speaker 1: big advantage on offense with Tom Brady. He was gonna
Speaker 1: make sure that I didn't do much against I feel
Speaker 1: with you, if you added up touch each other, I
Speaker 1: come out way ahead. I got that. But he's tough
Speaker 1: to be because he's smart, and you know, you know,
Speaker 1: he's very disciplined, and a lot of times I've been
Speaker 1: doing all types of shifting things on our being safe.
Speaker 1: Safe the only reason I was going. But I didn't
Speaker 1: have a punter while I was bedroom. I was just
Speaker 1: trying to level the playing field and it weren't. It
Speaker 1: helped me out, so we were able to get him
Speaker 1: a few times to do some things against them. But
Speaker 1: I have tremendous respect as to how he handleson coaches
Speaker 1: the game. They were very well coached football team. I
Speaker 1: looked going against them because it was a challenge, but
Speaker 1: a quiet flex there. You wiped the floor with him.
Speaker 1: You just said, you know you basically you got your
Speaker 1: points in there against him. I like it. I got
Speaker 1: to coach. I gotta ask you another one, Like, so
Speaker 1: you're I know you're comfortable retiring, but you're You were
Speaker 1: just at Dolphins O T A s recently and a
Speaker 1: lot of people are high on the Dolphins because they
Speaker 1: think Mike McDaniels, you know, a boy genius ready to unleash.
Speaker 1: But you were not very impressed, um from comments I
Speaker 1: read about what you saw from the offense the day
Speaker 1: you were there. No, I wasn't. Now, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: You know we're we're talking to some mini camp. They
Speaker 1: they they they scheduled l t s and there mini camps,
Speaker 1: so so mini CAAP practice. Um. I know that it's early.
Speaker 1: I know that they don't have their game plan in
Speaker 1: for their opening day. I totally understand that. But what
Speaker 1: I also know is that game plan that I wants
Speaker 1: being executed should be opening first the second day of
Speaker 1: mini camps. I want to see the mini camp game
Speaker 1: plan executed. I've been on the field in my career
Speaker 1: with some pretty good quarterbacks. Don't forget Ca Marino, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: Drew Breeze, Drett Fard, you know, um Dad Pennington when
Speaker 1: he was pretty dug one good Vinnie Testaverdie. So I've
Speaker 1: been on the field for a lot of very good
Speaker 1: offensive practices. In my opinion, I saw very little which
Speaker 1: resembled anything of a good offensive practice. I just can't
Speaker 1: see it. And now, is it gonna come later? Sure
Speaker 1: it can, Sure it can. But I didn't see it.
Speaker 1: And that's what was disappointing. So I want to see
Speaker 1: opening game performance. No I don't, but I don't want
Speaker 1: to see what I saw. I was very disappointed that
Speaker 1: that that that that was empretter than what I thought
Speaker 1: it would be better than that. I wass well that
Speaker 1: earlier in the show we had some positive thoughts about
Speaker 1: the Dolphins roster. Now there's a little yin and yang
Speaker 1: in there, Dolphins says, can look ahead and know there's
Speaker 1: a lot of football to be played between now and September.
Speaker 1: All right, Mike, did you last thing? I have to
Speaker 1: ask because I'm a big parcels guy, and the part
Speaker 1: in your book kind of broke my heart a little bit, because, um,
Speaker 1: I remember seeing you at you know, Hofstra with Bill
Speaker 1: and the situation that happened with you going down to
Speaker 1: Miami with your friend Uh to watch practice and then
Speaker 1: you came back with the Jets. Uh and Parcels he
Speaker 1: sends the letter to the league complaining about you being
Speaker 1: there even though you're under contract with the Jets. All sloppy,
Speaker 1: and I think you called it in the book, know
Speaker 1: what I call it? You called it a chicken letter
Speaker 1: that Parcels wrote. Um, have you guys spoken since that happened?
Speaker 1: Or did that end the relationship? And ended at the
Speaker 1: second he did it? And I had a good relationship
Speaker 1: with him. I was I always looked at him as
Speaker 1: kind of a big brother. And when I went over there,
Speaker 1: I was wrong because I was still under contract. Now
Speaker 1: I did, I was totally gone from the Jets, and
Speaker 1: they already knew coach. I wasn't in the press guy.
Speaker 1: But I went over because after the surgery worked so well,
Speaker 1: I knew I could now come back to the coach.
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, way a minute, I don't
Speaker 1: look through it, card, I'm coming back. So I went
Speaker 1: and visited some camps, and I went over and visited
Speaker 1: with Bill. He and I sat in the golf cart
Speaker 1: the entire day, we ate lunch together. I wrote him
Speaker 1: a thank you letter. I talked to his head coach
Speaker 1: about what I saw in practice, had a great and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the Jets signed Brett part
Speaker 1: Then they pressured me to come back. They want me
Speaker 1: to come back. I didn't want to go. They offered
Speaker 1: me a ton of money. They turned it down. Now,
Speaker 1: when I went to visit them, I was wrong, not Bill.
Speaker 1: I was wrong because I you really can't go to
Speaker 1: a pamp if you're under contract. He didn't know that,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know it either. I've never done it.
Speaker 1: I just, you know, the one thing I didn't do,
Speaker 1: So I didn't go over there to cheat. For him
Speaker 1: to write a letter like that was totally inappropriate, and
Speaker 1: so I blew up. Now, I coached the game. But
Speaker 1: if I don't coach the game, then it looks like
Speaker 1: I did go over there to eat, and it was
Speaker 1: you want to college. I could push the letter, then
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have any argument because you'd know. But I
Speaker 1: didn't do that. One chicken was enough. That's why I
Speaker 1: let go with that. And that's exactly how I felt.
Speaker 1: I've never talked him. If I ever really talked to him,
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't be even the beginnings of a pleasant
Speaker 1: conversation that passionate football man. Did your girlfriend convinced you
Speaker 1: not to put the letter in the book? No, I
Speaker 1: know she had nothing to do with you. Never show it. Mike,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. This is gonna
Speaker 1: be a great summer read on the beach, whether you're
Speaker 1: on the Jersey shore or wherever. You can get the
Speaker 1: book right now. Figure it out at Mascot books dot
Speaker 1: com right now, and then everywhere else Amazon and anywhere
Speaker 1: else that carries books. July twelve, Mike west Off, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us, and good luck and
Speaker 1: enjoy retirement. You certainly earned it a lot of fun
Speaker 1: talking to you today. Okay, gosh, thank you too. Enjoys
Speaker 1: there he goes, um I I love that man. Uh
Speaker 1: he was he always spoke his mind and you hear
Speaker 1: it there. Kind of reminded me of my dad on
Speaker 1: certain topics. When my dad Keith gets starts to get
Speaker 1: fired up talking about something that has annoyed him or
Speaker 1: someone that upsets him. You can here it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: when the story happened. As he's telling the story again,
Speaker 1: that kind of aggressive anger about it. And that's what
Speaker 1: we heard with Parcels and now part of me wants
Speaker 1: them to you know, make that's what I was going
Speaker 1: before one of them is gone. But yeah, some sometimes
Speaker 1: you're just done with the person in your life. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's just as healthy to just be like, I made
Speaker 1: that decision. That's did you say he was only happy
Speaker 1: with most of the conversation. Yeah, he probably Well I don't, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'd love to know what made him unhappy.
Speaker 1: But maybe maybe it was like bringing up some of these,
Speaker 1: um these memories. I wish I kept my mouth shut
Speaker 1: when I sort of like came back and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: but you stuck into Belichian. I think the memoir so
Speaker 1: it was technically based on I love that because if
Speaker 1: there was one person to make it awkward in this room,
Speaker 1: it would would be Greg. It would be I do
Speaker 1: love that. He was like, look, he was much more
Speaker 1: conservative than me. If you added it up, I had
Speaker 1: my way with him ultimately, which is that's that's what
Speaker 1: you watched. I mean, this guy, I love the history
Speaker 1: of the game. And he was with Jimmy. He was
Speaker 1: with Don. If we had all the time, we could
Speaker 1: have asked a lot of stuff. He was with Don
Speaker 1: Shula and then Jimmy Johnson and he was in Miami
Speaker 1: that whole time. He he was there for the end
Speaker 1: of Don Shoe and he was such a good assistant
Speaker 1: and he did some offensive coaching too, not just special teams.
Speaker 1: Uh that when Jimmy Johnson came in, they he he
Speaker 1: saw both of those eras just like a fascinating like
Speaker 1: those guys have all the best and he sticks up
Speaker 1: for the people the way that some people feel about
Speaker 1: the Rex Ryan led Jets, that that that behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan was very different, very organized, and that the
Speaker 1: special teams for the best in the league because of him,
Speaker 1: because he's a great coach, and I did want to
Speaker 1: ask him a little short on time, but I did
Speaker 1: want to ask him also, you know, if there would
Speaker 1: be you know, famously the Nickel Robie Coleman play led
Speaker 1: to the um failed past interference rule change. If there
Speaker 1: was anything in the game and special teams that he
Speaker 1: feels they need to make adjustments on, but maybe that
Speaker 1: will be for the second time we speak with Mike
Speaker 1: if he chooses to join it. It's hard out there
Speaker 1: for special teams coach he coaches. He he alluded to
Speaker 1: it that the rules are changing in such a way
Speaker 1: that they have a little less impact and a little
Speaker 1: less flexibility than they treat It's all safety reasons, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, kickoffs have changed quite a bit. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: assistant coaches that I think multiple times in his career.
Speaker 1: In the book, he talks about being approached by you know, management,
Speaker 1: we want you to replace this guy that that there's
Speaker 1: a current special teams coach that we don't like. And
Speaker 1: it's like August and it's like, it's the special teams coach.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a thankless gig where you gett noticed
Speaker 1: more when you you fail at it. But to Westos
Speaker 1: credit for that that instance he was talking about that
Speaker 1: led to the Parcels fallout. The Jets wanted to fire
Speaker 1: the current special team's coach and he said, no, I'll
Speaker 1: take over. But that guy is not gonna be fired.
Speaker 1: He's gonna stay. Will make it work, even if it's
Speaker 1: a little bit awkward looking out for his own. Uh.
Speaker 1: Positional groups do it for each other, absolutely, absolutely, Maybe
Speaker 1: good good app We'll be back on Thursday. We got
Speaker 1: a special show on Thursday. We're gonna be on the road.
Speaker 1: It's a road show. I mean it's like eight miles
Speaker 1: what is it? How far is it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We're going to West Hollywood for the second annual Pride
Speaker 1: cast with cast of all stars, including my brother Kevin
Speaker 1: Danger Hands. I'd like to hear that in the traveling party.
Speaker 1: But also Connie Fox maybe a former producer with the show.
Speaker 1: I think people dots on this one probably can connect it.
Speaker 1: And and just so you know, I said, Graver, give
Speaker 1: me a song that connects with in your mind a
Speaker 1: pridecast um show in West Hollywood. So let's turn this up.
Speaker 1: This was justin Graver's choice with Randy Chavez sterilized. This
Speaker 1: is where we need to producer camera in the back.
Speaker 1: They've all got their hair wash up again. Alright, Mark
Speaker 1: and I are heading to the sterilization chamber and we
Speaker 1: will see you on Thursday. Thank you everybody for listening.
Speaker 1: Until then, he had the call. Great ending