Speaker 1: Be around the NFL podcast us more stacked than the
Speaker 1: a f C West from the beaches of southern California.
Speaker 1: It's around the NFL up Dan Jansas on a patio
Speaker 1: filled with some heroes, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, And here
Speaker 1: we are at the two thousand to NFL Media Summit
Speaker 1: from the low Santa Monica Hotel and Mark, you got
Speaker 1: that glow, You got that glow I'm in. I'm in
Speaker 1: a place that I simply enjoy at this point because
Speaker 1: we are under large umbrellas that shade us. A nice
Speaker 1: ocean breeze crosses our face. I'm watching grown adults on
Speaker 1: swing sets down on the beach right by the ocean. Um.
Speaker 1: The only thing missing is the fact that we're working
Speaker 1: versus at a in a leisure setting right now. Well,
Speaker 1: they're they're on the rings. They are not messing around.
Speaker 1: There's some high level gymnastics going on. Uh. As he said,
Speaker 1: not southern just just southern California. It's Santa Monica. This
Speaker 1: is my hometown now and I guess it's not my home,
Speaker 1: but it's nine years long. Um, and it's nice to
Speaker 1: have a home game. If I may be personal with you, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: for a moment um. I, as you know, native of
Speaker 1: New York, and when I was nineteen years old, I
Speaker 1: joined my uncle Stu and aunt Carrie and their children. Um,
Speaker 1: they invited me to a California trip. I had never
Speaker 1: been out to California before, so I got on the plane.
Speaker 1: Had really never been anywhere, um at that point in
Speaker 1: my life. So we got on the plane, came over here,
Speaker 1: stayed at this very hotel and too and it looks
Speaker 1: very similar as it did in right down to the
Speaker 1: the grasp patch right in front of the beach right
Speaker 1: behind us, right now where I remember playing whiffleball with
Speaker 1: Mike and Eric. Uh. And that started kind of a
Speaker 1: lifelong fascination in like a romance that I had for
Speaker 1: southern California. And I think it played a role in
Speaker 1: me eventually coming out here. I just have a kind
Speaker 1: of a romantic viewpoint of California as an East Coaster
Speaker 1: and it kind of started right here on that trip.
Speaker 1: Did you discover love? Did I discover love? I would say, no,
Speaker 1: you're nine. I was nineteen. Would not have been a prime,
Speaker 1: prime territory to have an adventure. Uh, yeah, it took me.
Speaker 1: I was never the guy and I ended up in
Speaker 1: a very good spot with a great woman, uh Emily.
Speaker 1: But when I was younger, it took me longer to
Speaker 1: figure out how to do those things. Um. And that
Speaker 1: meant also, like, you know, if you're the guy going
Speaker 1: on a trip to California, did you have a whirlwind
Speaker 1: romance while you're out there? No, that wasn't me as
Speaker 1: a team you were playing wiffleball were also I have
Speaker 1: had trips like that at that age. I'm I was
Speaker 1: when I first got out. I feel like that's that's
Speaker 1: the logical feeling. My first time out here wasn't until
Speaker 1: I was like for college internship or internship between college years,
Speaker 1: and it was like, I can't imagine coming out here
Speaker 1: and not thinking, oh my god, they let people live here,
Speaker 1: come come live here. Why wouldn't you think that's the weather?
Speaker 1: And just fell I just again, as someone from the
Speaker 1: other side of the country, just like people, I just
Speaker 1: like the vibe out here. And I still feel that way.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a jaded California first time I
Speaker 1: came to California on not similar to yours because I
Speaker 1: was not put up in a hotel. I left Grand
Speaker 1: Central Station in New York City on a greyhound bus.
Speaker 1: Back then you could get a one dollar trip round
Speaker 1: trip to anywhere in the country. So I went to
Speaker 1: San Francisco. We got snowed in, um all highways snowed
Speaker 1: in and Cheyenne, Wyoming and had to stay in a
Speaker 1: hotel with all these greyhound people for three days. Then
Speaker 1: made it to San Francisco, but I had to pick
Speaker 1: my mom up um at Katona station and new outside
Speaker 1: of New York two days later. Three days later, so
Speaker 1: I had to get right back on the greyhound bus
Speaker 1: and go back. So I was in San Francisco for
Speaker 1: about seven hours. Oh my god, it's like the most
Speaker 1: insane story I've ever heard. Did you have any romance
Speaker 1: with any of the greyhounders? Actually there was, um, a
Speaker 1: woman who had a child, but she was like a
Speaker 1: single mom. But we wrote letters to each other for
Speaker 1: a couple of years after that, we wrote letters to
Speaker 1: each other. Um. All right, there you go, the little
Speaker 1: love letter to California. And here we are. Great show
Speaker 1: coming up today. We have guests Galore. Kyle Brandt, Emmy
Speaker 1: Award winning host of Good Morning Football, will join us
Speaker 1: in a bit also and listen. This is something that.
Speaker 1: I feel like we've been building towards and I'm a
Speaker 1: little nervous about how how it was going to play out.
Speaker 1: I was, but it's like we had to get rap
Speaker 1: Sheet and Greg together, preferably with microphones on. I mean
Speaker 1: by we building towards it, you're saying, I, Dan Hansas
Speaker 1: was building towards this wouldn't have happened. This was you
Speaker 1: and your l men. This is you bringing it together
Speaker 1: for the good of the podcast. Well, I think I
Speaker 1: like our friendship. It's beyond the just um content. No,
Speaker 1: it's beyond it's beyond content. I knew we needed to
Speaker 1: get the boys to gather mark and fireworks are expected.
Speaker 1: I think that, uh, when it's listened to, people will realize,
Speaker 1: against what Greg just said, that you had a higher
Speaker 1: purpose and uh, you know it's it's a must listen.
Speaker 1: It's a trench in combo alright, So you know, don't
Speaker 1: I know, now you're really interested how it goes, but
Speaker 1: don't fast forward. We got a lot of other things
Speaker 1: to get to, starting with any takeaways guys from the
Speaker 1: NFL Media summit. It does you know we used to
Speaker 1: uh we've been to about five or six of these
Speaker 1: things at least by now. Um, why don't we start
Speaker 1: here because it's always fun. Chris Westling rest in peace,
Speaker 1: good good man. Chris Westling. Um, he used to document
Speaker 1: the corporate jargon that was uttered at these events, and
Speaker 1: just a quick like idea of what it is. It's
Speaker 1: everyone that is on camera on Mike, that works on shows.
Speaker 1: Everyone's invited to this hotel for two days, and it's
Speaker 1: a series of speeches, seminars, uh, you know, breakout groups. Um,
Speaker 1: so it's middle management unloading a year's worth of meetings
Speaker 1: they've been to on us also, but right, and then
Speaker 1: upper management, I mean, okay, upper managed. It's the highest
Speaker 1: levels of management. And then there's also a lot of
Speaker 1: producers in and people behind the scenes to who are
Speaker 1: here who work on the shows where shadowy League figures
Speaker 1: step out of the shadows just for forty eight hours
Speaker 1: in June. And as a footnote, I adore the upper
Speaker 1: management figures people. Anyway, where's some corporate jargon? Okay, well
Speaker 1: my favorite this wasn't a corporate jargon. But I just thought,
Speaker 1: um that Operation Hoya was very intriguing because it was truly, uh,
Speaker 1: a company's secret plan, which may maybe I shouldn't say it,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that gives away anything. And I
Speaker 1: just love that. The the the company's secret plan was
Speaker 1: named Operation Hoya. But for more more corporate speak, in
Speaker 1: a lot of inflection, point, a lot of point um.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of when you have success, we
Speaker 1: have success, different variations of that. Emerging avenues. Emerging avenues
Speaker 1: was a good these are I think at some point
Speaker 1: these people view themselves um and again I adore them
Speaker 1: as creative types, so they find new ways of language
Speaker 1: to describe very mundane business tactics. We were we were
Speaker 1: in the A side session learning like best practices for
Speaker 1: social media. They had you know, people from Instagram and stuff, uh,
Speaker 1: and they were talking about, um, two fact and I
Speaker 1: was like, I was, I was thinking in my head
Speaker 1: two facts and that's just two factor the authentication. But
Speaker 1: you can't say a two factor you just go two
Speaker 1: factors total. You gotta say you gotta save that second
Speaker 1: half half of a second of say two factor and
Speaker 1: go to factors. And by the way, if I have
Speaker 1: to use a all time famous corporate jargon I learned
Speaker 1: here for the first time, I'm going to open up
Speaker 1: the kimono here and share with you power user I had.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it means, but it's a good one.
Speaker 1: We were separated into breakout groups too, so we didn't
Speaker 1: all have the same exact experience. I think they weren't
Speaker 1: um in any cases thrilling experiences, but they were differently
Speaker 1: all right. That's the best part of the of the
Speaker 1: summit is this. Those side groups we'll talk about maybe
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that later. Some are better than others.
Speaker 1: I heard this over and over. Um explosion of content,
Speaker 1: mm hmm, yeah, explosion. Actually, that's I think an evolution
Speaker 1: of fire hose of content. Yeah, well, it sounds even
Speaker 1: like a little bit less more. That's similar to what
Speaker 1: fire hose would come after the explore. That's similar to
Speaker 1: scalable content. There was a lot of scalable. You want
Speaker 1: the content to be scalable, alright, anything else. I liked
Speaker 1: when they would talk about and I'm not sure I
Speaker 1: totally understand this one, but it was uh they would
Speaker 1: say things that we would take on a lot of friction,
Speaker 1: which just hits me a different way. But they were
Speaker 1: talking about like, Okay, we're gonna enter into the marketplace,
Speaker 1: and there's certain aspects here that's gonna take on a
Speaker 1: lot of friction. Well that just sounds flu right, That's
Speaker 1: that's how I sort of took it. But it was
Speaker 1: a lot of It was a lot. You are sometimes
Speaker 1: known to create friction. The one of my favorite moments
Speaker 1: was at the very end of the seminar second day
Speaker 1: where you rose your hand during a like a town
Speaker 1: hall conversation with the highest of upper management and shared
Speaker 1: what I thought was a fair opinion about something to
Speaker 1: do with the event, and uh, the head top dog,
Speaker 1: the shadowiest of the shadowy league figures, responded, I could
Speaker 1: not disagree with you more. That was funny. And this
Speaker 1: was part two because there was a minor irritation from
Speaker 1: the high up execut towards Greg. Two days in a
Speaker 1: grow and this is Greg is a good parents. So
Speaker 1: he left to transport his children to summer camp. Greg right, okay,
Speaker 1: so summer camps. So yesterday he left without causing any
Speaker 1: No one seemed to know because it's like he could
Speaker 1: be getting up to getting glass of water. This time.
Speaker 1: It came right while this high up executive was, you know,
Speaker 1: getting land based with tough questions and as Gregg's sort
Speaker 1: of dismissively got up and rolled out of the room.
Speaker 1: Hyper stinky came from executive towards Gregg. So then this this, this,
Speaker 1: this lie encounter happened later about a couple. So it's
Speaker 1: just another figure. Greg just has so many people that
Speaker 1: he It's one of your great skills. Greg. Also the
Speaker 1: point that you made, and it's too esoteric for the
Speaker 1: audience to care about, and we should keep it a
Speaker 1: little bit behind the kimono. But Greg's point that he
Speaker 1: made after the top official on stage disagreed with Greg.
Speaker 1: Sitting directly behind me, Michael Irvine, who was either much
Speaker 1: of much of the seminar either sleeping or talking on
Speaker 1: a cell phone, and the low volume um he was
Speaker 1: just saying, as the answer is being given, shooting down
Speaker 1: Greg's point. He was going, yep, ye, that would never work.
Speaker 1: This is here's the thing. Though, I had many people
Speaker 1: come up to me and appreciate what I said, because
Speaker 1: I was speaking to a lot of reporter right now,
Speaker 1: I get it, But I'm saying, Mike, Michael was in
Speaker 1: the minority among the talent and producers that were there,
Speaker 1: because all I was voicing was a frustration with this
Speaker 1: event in particular, and how he could do a better
Speaker 1: job with it in the future and as a company.
Speaker 1: And it was the exact same thing that literally every
Speaker 1: not every not literally every, but many other people were
Speaker 1: all talking about throughout the weekend. And I heard a
Speaker 1: lot of people after, and I heard one of the
Speaker 1: top executives come up after and almost was Apologeck and
Speaker 1: he's like, I tried to push that same same idea
Speaker 1: and it got shut down, and he talked to himself
Speaker 1: to not be worried. But but this made me more worried.
Speaker 1: If he hadn't said anything. He's like, just making sure
Speaker 1: you're okay. Though I liked there was one very talented
Speaker 1: female reporter that texted me what during Greg's fraucus? Justice
Speaker 1: for Greg, so I you did have support inside the um,
Speaker 1: but God's wrong with me that I'm Once you realize
Speaker 1: you're the person that keeps getting into confrontations with people
Speaker 1: at work, and some that's something to look You have
Speaker 1: to look at what's the problem you are. You're potentially
Speaker 1: the B line. But I had another prominent podcaster at
Speaker 1: this company during Greg's confrontation text me two words odd
Speaker 1: fight because it was and since I brought up my
Speaker 1: I didn't say who it was. You want to hear
Speaker 1: one more Michael Irv because he's the best of these.
Speaker 1: And I gotta give Michael Irvan credit. The man is
Speaker 1: a three time super Bowl champion. He's a legit, like
Speaker 1: one of the more well known sports personalities in America.
Speaker 1: He's at this event both days, every minute. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he's totally plugged in. He's sitting directly behind me.
Speaker 1: And it's just that's that's true of all the time talent.
Speaker 1: And he's so he's so famous, he could be totally
Speaker 1: checked out, but sometimes all of a sudden, he's super
Speaker 1: checked in. And at one point they were showing a
Speaker 1: like a chart that was plotting like the traditional TV
Speaker 1: usage trends, and and and then why do we need that?
Speaker 1: The guests and the and the speaker was like this
Speaker 1: is really amazing, and then out of nowhere, Urvan, who
Speaker 1: I thought was sleeping, goes, yes it is. Wait, he's
Speaker 1: paying attention to the usage chart. I think he probably
Speaker 1: had like he was. He was just like the same
Speaker 1: way on this show with sound bites towards a certain person,
Speaker 1: they're just maybe Michael Irvan sound bites that he'd pressed
Speaker 1: play on to make people think he was he had
Speaker 1: a marked SoundBite. You could just play it at will.
Speaker 1: I have plenty, just pick one one just for fun.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm with myself. Also we get that mark,
Speaker 1: we get there, so you will be Urban would be
Speaker 1: a weird would be high on my list of players
Speaker 1: or other on air personalities that I would take in
Speaker 1: a draft of the breakout room. So we get divided
Speaker 1: into three different breakout rooms, and then we go into
Speaker 1: a bunch of different sessions. And I've learned over over
Speaker 1: these years and we've done these. We've done a lot
Speaker 1: of these. Now that that's to me, that's the best
Speaker 1: part of the couple of days because that's where some
Speaker 1: tough questions are being asked, where uh, some upper management's
Speaker 1: feet really get put to the fire. Um. Urban would
Speaker 1: be high on my list just for like the comedy
Speaker 1: of it. He would maybe be fun in those I
Speaker 1: had a great We had a great room, Like I
Speaker 1: had a lot of people that I would draft high,
Speaker 1: Like who would you be your first draft pick? If
Speaker 1: if you're taking people for those if I wanted like
Speaker 1: hard hitting questions, anything anything, give me Jim Trotter interesting,
Speaker 1: I enjoyed Mike Garifolo as always. But I my, we
Speaker 1: had Steve Smith in the room and Kurt Warner, and
Speaker 1: I was sitting next Steve Smith and Court Warner. I
Speaker 1: was kind of like fanning out a little bit, to
Speaker 1: be honest. It's just like these guys are still basically
Speaker 1: in the locker room sometimes in these sessions, and they
Speaker 1: speak their mind and Kurt Warner takes like the quarterback
Speaker 1: encouraging quarterback leadership role. But then Steve Smith does the
Speaker 1: Steve Smith thing. He'll go on a ten minute ran
Speaker 1: that totally takes the speaker and dissembles them. We're hoping. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Steve said always very nice to the to us around
Speaker 1: the NFL show. Get familiar with him. We spoke with him.
Speaker 1: He he, like many of the players, get very early flights,
Speaker 1: maybe even before the whole thing's over. And he was
Speaker 1: out of here, but he said he's gonna be in
Speaker 1: l a quite a bit this fall and then it
Speaker 1: will be coming on the show working on that. We'll
Speaker 1: justin handled reaching out to Steve Smith. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you have to record those conversations. Um Claibron would be
Speaker 1: very high on my list of the side bringing up.
Speaker 1: Just one quick note. Claibron was sitting next to who
Speaker 1: are you guys sitting next dude during the summer. I
Speaker 1: was next to Jeremiah not Jeremiah was next to Cynthia
Speaker 1: and m J D. I was next to Taylor Bishatti
Speaker 1: Uh and Ian Rappaport who never showed up on day
Speaker 1: one in the seat but he was here today. Wow.
Speaker 1: I was next to D'Angelo Hall and then Mark Ross,
Speaker 1: the former Giants. So Claibann is next to Michael Irvin
Speaker 1: and I I wish Claiborn was here because I got
Speaker 1: to talk to him about this. By the end of
Speaker 1: the second day, every time Irvin would say something and
Speaker 1: laugh uproariously, he would like lean back and like make
Speaker 1: eye contact with Claibon and then claiban By the end
Speaker 1: of it, he was like the Ed McMann to Johnny Carson,
Speaker 1: like Claiborn was like, ah, you are correct sir, and
Speaker 1: they were just having a great time together. We did that.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that. That is amazing. Claibon, who I basically
Speaker 1: stole his question when when I was annoying the executive
Speaker 1: just things that he had been talking about but had
Speaker 1: the worst take of all time and used. It made
Speaker 1: me happy that even the one of the great takesmen
Speaker 1: of our time, Claibann, could have bad takes, which was
Speaker 1: that there are as many men's small items of clothing
Speaker 1: at stores as men's large and extra large. And I
Speaker 1: was just saying, you don't know the plight of the
Speaker 1: small man, like if you legitimately think that, And he
Speaker 1: fought hard on this, and I was just like, this
Speaker 1: is this is nowhere near He's wrong because large extra
Speaker 1: large and then you're searing like in most men as
Speaker 1: small as me, they almost don't want to admit it,
Speaker 1: so they're wearing mediums but they're too big, and it's
Speaker 1: like it's not a good fit. Inside your world, it's different.
Speaker 1: This is why you gotta outfit yourself. When I make
Speaker 1: that trip to Tokyo. Judy Batista, by the way, a
Speaker 1: great person. In those rooms, we had a great room.
Speaker 1: Willie becomes a different Willie mcguinnis, and um, you get
Speaker 1: you get a real Willie, a little different than a
Speaker 1: t a Willie. Willie was amazing. Colleen Wolf will just
Speaker 1: throw in one singer would just be like, hey, would
Speaker 1: you consider having women on the NFL draft coverage next
Speaker 1: year and just see the executive faces belt off at
Speaker 1: that question. The blood drained from the faces. That's important.
Speaker 1: You want to add value in these rooms. It's cool though,
Speaker 1: I think. Uh, I hope this is interesting to the listeners. Maybe.
Speaker 1: Then again, it's it's the middle of June. So how
Speaker 1: many how many comments did you make Dan during the
Speaker 1: breakout sessions? Uh? I said two words. Yeah. I decided
Speaker 1: that anything I would say would probably only decrease my
Speaker 1: merit in the room because it was again it was
Speaker 1: high up executives that weren't even sure why I was
Speaker 1: there potentially, right, I like to throw in one or two.
Speaker 1: And I moved on from my annual how are you
Speaker 1: going to monetize podcasts question? Because we're on the right
Speaker 1: track that that's gotten more respect um and I do.
Speaker 1: Before we move on, I just want to give a
Speaker 1: shout at this someone we've mentioned on this show before,
Speaker 1: Ali bon Puri had a moment. Uh. He he is
Speaker 1: our writing editor and a lot of the people who
Speaker 1: were in front of the lectern and had a microphone.
Speaker 1: Uh didn't really deliver and it was a tough first morning,
Speaker 1: I would say, just saying it was kind of I
Speaker 1: don't think that's necessarily fair because it's task. It's boring, though,
Speaker 1: and Ali came up there and was universally regarded as
Speaker 1: the best speaker of the entire process and got a
Speaker 1: rousing ovation. I mean it was it was something, and
Speaker 1: it did something very smart because he came up right
Speaker 1: away he lowered the microphy A very tall individual for him,
Speaker 1: he lowered the microphone like half a foot. Acknowledge that
Speaker 1: that was emasculating. Um then basically said I don't do speeches,
Speaker 1: so I've written it. And then he just perfectly read
Speaker 1: this amazingly thing with the sea and then you kind
Speaker 1: of coming from the heart. That was good watching him.
Speaker 1: Going back to fourteen, I just wanted to maybe we
Speaker 1: are now reaching the point where the listeners don't care.
Speaker 1: But I didn't wanted him greg, because you do find
Speaker 1: yourself often in conflict. If there are things to take
Speaker 1: away from a bump party in that spot, like how
Speaker 1: to get your point across without not wanting people to
Speaker 1: smack you on the side of the head, Well that's
Speaker 1: a different setting making like a speech, and I've definitely
Speaker 1: had some bad ones of those two. So what if
Speaker 1: you could leave to a rousing. I've had good ones,
Speaker 1: bad ones. We're gonna stick a pin in this because
Speaker 1: I know we got to settle something for Greg a
Speaker 1: little later in the show. But do we want to
Speaker 1: do you want to get caught up on any news
Speaker 1: or do we want to get right to it? I
Speaker 1: let me spin through real quick the news and then
Speaker 1: let's get to it. We're gonna do some o t
Speaker 1: a round up on Monday, I think, so do you
Speaker 1: want to do it as quickly as real quick? I
Speaker 1: just want to Uh, this is a At one point,
Speaker 1: there was a conversation about the NFL brother fraternity and
Speaker 1: there was a term old head that's thrown around for
Speaker 1: the guys that are, you know, out of the league
Speaker 1: for an extended period of time, and the younger guys
Speaker 1: look at the older former players as old heads when
Speaker 1: they come with critical takes about how the game's not
Speaker 1: the way it used to be. But that's going on forever.
Speaker 1: So as Gerald mccoyo came to guests speak about NFL
Speaker 1: players inter acting with the media, and he clarified that
Speaker 1: an old head as if you played before the year
Speaker 1: two thousand. Because Ladani and Thomlinson asked like who's an
Speaker 1: old head and like LT is fine, but Kurt Warner,
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin LT came in right around two thousand h
Speaker 1: I mean he's on the fringe, but you wouldn't define
Speaker 1: him that way. LT, by the way, is a guy
Speaker 1: and maybe because of his jet ties and my favorite
Speaker 1: jet game ever against the Pats in two thousand eleven,
Speaker 1: he was a prominent player. He's a guy that I
Speaker 1: kind of still get like a guy that we work
Speaker 1: with that I get a little like starstruck, LT, urban Um,
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner, Steve Smith in a way. I want to
Speaker 1: get to know Steve Smith. That's why I love to
Speaker 1: have him on the show because he's just such an interesting, thoughtful,
Speaker 1: outspoken I think the interest in a friendship would be
Speaker 1: equal from his standpoint. One of West's favorite players. I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about friendship. Well, no, I'm saying I was
Speaker 1: speaking with him, I sensed actually like him and Kyleen
Speaker 1: are are a good buddy. So that's a good sign
Speaker 1: of of a of a man and uh maybe West's
Speaker 1: all time favorite player. Over the course of our podcast
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Speaker 1: Learn more from up work dot com. All right, here
Speaker 1: we go a couple of things, couple of things, and
Speaker 1: you know, jump in if you care, and if you don't,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep moving. Make a Fitzpatrick signs a four
Speaker 1: year extension. He becomes the highest paid safety in NFL history,
Speaker 1: thirty six million guaranteed at signing. Terry McLaurin, this is
Speaker 1: something kind of interesting. He's sitting out mandatory minicamp with
Speaker 1: the commanders. Ron Rivera says the deal will get done.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Ron Rivera, did you know that he had
Speaker 1: a copy of the First Amendment Freedom of Speech? Uh,
Speaker 1: sitting on his desk, and he said that he's read
Speaker 1: it over and over again when deciding what to do
Speaker 1: about Jack del Rio, who made the comments on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I believe it was or in the press friends, Uh,
Speaker 1: talking about all sorts of nonsense. And he said, before
Speaker 1: he decided to find Jack del Rio, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: he has since deleted his social media, he read it
Speaker 1: over and over again, the First Amendment. I just don't
Speaker 1: know what's going on. Watching the commanders do things um
Speaker 1: in their own way. I feel like there's a lot
Speaker 1: going on. They started to take command? In your opinion,
Speaker 1: where are we at at the level command of what
Speaker 1: just they started? Are they getting ready to maybe, as
Speaker 1: we all know, decided to really go ahead and start
Speaker 1: to take command. Where are we at? What's the percentage?
Speaker 1: Would you say, zero to one hundred? Like one d
Speaker 1: full command? Zero is you don't even know what command is? Okay,
Speaker 1: oh this lower than that, but yeah, that's it's low,
Speaker 1: it's ron Rivera said. He also had the second did
Speaker 1: you just start talking without your signature drop? You know?
Speaker 1: That's I feel like it's been established by this point.
Speaker 1: You're doing great? You right? Um? He said. He also
Speaker 1: had the Second Amendment printed out on his desk to
Speaker 1: read over and over again for whatever. First of all,
Speaker 1: it's not that complicated. Read the first five words. You're
Speaker 1: you're pretty much good on on the first Amendment? Can
Speaker 1: you read both of the amendments at the end of
Speaker 1: the show? Sure? Just kidding, um, all right, Terry McLaurin
Speaker 1: is a really good player, and they should get a
Speaker 1: deal done with them. But I just don't, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't know what's going on that organization. And they've
Speaker 1: said since like a week into the off season, it
Speaker 1: was the top priorities. DK Metcalf also skipped their camp
Speaker 1: last week. There's Rodney Hudson was won for Arizona. There's
Speaker 1: a decent amount of players skipping. And remember Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: is there now, and as you know, as you just heard, uh,
Speaker 1: you know you wanted him to be working with the
Speaker 1: star wide receiver of the team. I'd also want to
Speaker 1: sign a contract before you spend a year with Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1: M Let's that's not provoking very good Mark, That's that's
Speaker 1: a great point, Mark, Thank, I was legitimately saying it
Speaker 1: was a great point. Mark thinks we were making fun
Speaker 1: of point when I say something that actually provokes your
Speaker 1: thought that it must be verbalized like it's such a
Speaker 1: rare occurrence, so condescending it just stops the entire room.
Speaker 1: Good point. That's a good that That actually was a
Speaker 1: good point, too, much better than the point DJ texted
Speaker 1: to then odd fight. You know I think odd Fight
Speaker 1: was on points. That's a fair That's a fair Jerick
Speaker 1: McKinnon back to the Chiefs on a one year deal.
Speaker 1: So watch out, Clyde Edwards Hilaire, there are no more
Speaker 1: free passes for you, Bud. They got rid of Daryl
Speaker 1: Williams too. Some moments for them. Colts fourth year safety
Speaker 1: Carry Willis announces his retirement to go into the ministry.
Speaker 1: Kind of a cool move, go to God, young man.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's absolutely something that takes a lot of
Speaker 1: integrity and belief in what you're doing and and a
Speaker 1: surprise to the cults. He's only been in the league
Speaker 1: three years and he's been a starter the whole time
Speaker 1: and was going to be a starter this year. They
Speaker 1: have Julian Blackman coming off a big injury too, So
Speaker 1: h has some real world recussions for the app slutely
Speaker 1: and that was news and notes presented by up work
Speaker 1: where you can build a team that will build your
Speaker 1: business learn more upwork dot com. That was like, that
Speaker 1: was the closest we've ever had to like a throwaway
Speaker 1: news segment, just like a quick here's another corporate speak
Speaker 1: that um that it would not that new segment would
Speaker 1: not qualify. Did you guys hear that the live games
Speaker 1: that that they're gonna put on the new NFL Plus
Speaker 1: is the hero content, Which I don't know, that's kind
Speaker 1: of our thing. We are the hero content, well not
Speaker 1: unless we that is something we should probably trade not
Speaker 1: in their eyes potentially, right, And now they kept saying
Speaker 1: that like we're just gonna we're gonna focus on the
Speaker 1: hero content, and I'm just sitting there being like, we're
Speaker 1: right here, I'm here. It does remind me that it's
Speaker 1: been a while. I'm a little disappointed since I got
Speaker 1: a tweet like, how dare you refer to yourselves as
Speaker 1: heroes when the real heroes are out there on the
Speaker 1: battle field texting your First and Second Amendment rights? Alright?
Speaker 1: That is that is the stance. It's been a while.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's been a little bit since I
Speaker 1: got that tweet. Uh. And okay, before we talk with
Speaker 1: Kyle Brandt, let's share an update the Dalton Scale, which
Speaker 1: anybody who checked out that episode, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: We all. Patrick Clayban included the Ed McMahon to Michael
Speaker 1: Irvin's Johnny Carson. I wish I had seen all that
Speaker 1: they're doing. The laugh it was the handshakes and it
Speaker 1: was like awesome. I was like, wow, look at you
Speaker 1: do not want to be in the front row for this.
Speaker 1: Colleen had the worst possible seat, front row middle. I
Speaker 1: was front row, and you miss a lot so the
Speaker 1: four of us um with Patrick talk Dalton scale who
Speaker 1: was the new Prime Meridian. We each nominated a player
Speaker 1: and then we put it to a vote and justin
Speaker 1: we got over five thousand votes on read it and Instagram.
Speaker 1: You want to share the results? Yes, So Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: was the run way winner with that was Mars. That
Speaker 1: was Mark's nomination. Just don't believe it. I understand why.
Speaker 1: I think the public believes that. I know, but the
Speaker 1: public is often wrong. And this did not incorporate the hundreds,
Speaker 1: literally hundreds of comments received on Twitter and Instagram with
Speaker 1: people just like spouting off their choice. They probably voted
Speaker 1: though too. They may have, but they a lot of
Speaker 1: people also took issue with like one or two names
Speaker 1: on the list where it's like just chill out, you know,
Speaker 1: like if you don't worry about the list. It wasn't
Speaker 1: really about the list, Like Patrick Mahomes is behind Josh
Speaker 1: Allen or whatever, don't worry about that. That's not what
Speaker 1: this exercise was about. God forbid. They lack context. As
Speaker 1: Claiban explained on the last episode, lists yeah uh, and
Speaker 1: his nomination, Ryan Tannehill came in second point five percent.
Speaker 1: That Winston, who Gregg nominated eleven point three percent. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to take third as a victory because you
Speaker 1: guys all dismissed it so much that at least I
Speaker 1: was ahead of one of you guys and Matt Ryan
Speaker 1: only nine point five percent. And I think people took
Speaker 1: just thought he was too good, took issue with the
Speaker 1: fact that he doesn't reflect Andy Dalton as much because
Speaker 1: he had such a high peak and now he's coming down,
Speaker 1: whereas Dalton was kind of steady average. I think it's
Speaker 1: a fundamental disconnect with the exercises about because I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that Matt Ryan was anything like Andy Dalton. He was.
Speaker 1: He was a all Pro, he was an m v P,
Speaker 1: should have won a Super Bowl. But I'm only talking
Speaker 1: about the here and now, so I'm not factoring anything
Speaker 1: else than who Matt Ryan is now. I could see, though,
Speaker 1: I could see why people struggle because I think part
Speaker 1: of it is Andy Dalton. But I also think people
Speaker 1: think Matt Ryan's too good still, and he Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: was the Dalton scale his entire career. Matt Ryan was
Speaker 1: an m VP candidate four years ago. I mean was
Speaker 1: he was a fantastic player, that went to a Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: so it kind of defied I think if you're just
Speaker 1: looking at the the tabulations numbers, especially with this particular player.
Speaker 1: But I get hung up on the last two seasons.
Speaker 1: Cark Cousins is having touchdowns, okay, interceptions, and it's like
Speaker 1: that's the that's the primary, but he's also the picture
Speaker 1: of frustration in a way that we can't quite you know.
Speaker 1: I can be swayed on some things in the way
Speaker 1: that the listeners voted and the way Mark put the case,
Speaker 1: and the more that I thought about it, he does
Speaker 1: embody the Dalton scale in some way. And the more
Speaker 1: I thought about it, there's more good quarterbacks now, I
Speaker 1: think then back then. So maybe that's a little part
Speaker 1: of the Dalton scale to that. Yes, Cousins has those
Speaker 1: great numbers, but where did you end up ranking him?
Speaker 1: Like fourteen fifteen that's where Dalton used to be back
Speaker 1: in the day, and like, uh, it's hard, you're now, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but the bar is sort of higher of what the
Speaker 1: middle is of where you need a new guy, And um,
Speaker 1: I think the listeners kind of convinced me that Cousins
Speaker 1: makes total sense right now and he's gonna ease into
Speaker 1: that for the next few years possible. I stand by it.
Speaker 1: I think give me a year or two. Cousins has
Speaker 1: to come down a little bit, But I stand by
Speaker 1: Jamis Cousins the most James. I don't know about the
Speaker 1: Jamis one. You're just high on Jamis for some reason.
Speaker 1: You always have been. I don't think that's that high.
Speaker 1: The point is it's right in the middle. You need
Speaker 1: a new one if you've got. If we had to
Speaker 1: meet in the middle, I think Tannehill was a place
Speaker 1: we were willing to go. He came in second. Ye.
Speaker 1: I think we were willing to go there as a group.
Speaker 1: All the men in the NFL to lift up by choice,
Speaker 1: you can. You often go back to Jameis Winston. Why
Speaker 1: I'm not lifting him up, but he has uh some
Speaker 1: nice quarterbacking skills. That's when he's on the field. Right
Speaker 1: in the minute. All right, let's take a break, and
Speaker 1: when we get back, one of my favorite people in
Speaker 1: NFL media, Mr Kyle Brand. All right, time to welcome
Speaker 1: a great man, a champion in the realm of sports media.
Speaker 1: I mean, the man has a trophy and it is
Speaker 1: a Sports Emmy for his work with the rest of
Speaker 1: the team at Good Morning Football All Now, he rejoins
Speaker 1: us on the Around the NFL podcast, What's Up, Kyle Brand, Hello,
Speaker 1: my friends, thrilled to be here, especially specifically here geographically
Speaker 1: where we're sitting right now. This is like when like
Speaker 1: the Brady Bunch goes to Hawaii, you know, like they
Speaker 1: do those special episodes, Remember the Sievers went to Hawaii
Speaker 1: wants and growing pains, And this is the heroes go
Speaker 1: to go to California on the beach. You look great,
Speaker 1: I feel great. You feel like a natural here. I
Speaker 1: don't think we've ever done a podcast with you in person,
Speaker 1: unless I'm just like misremembering. But you have a big
Speaker 1: shoes to fill because you know your co host Pete
Speaker 1: Treger was here last year. I believe it was the
Speaker 1: last time we did it in person, and he awkwardly
Speaker 1: held a microphone wrapped up with a towel. We still
Speaker 1: the hot, burning sun, so we're not in a nice
Speaker 1: shaded area, and then we have the Pacific Ocean over
Speaker 1: our beautiful here at the low Santa Monica Um resort
Speaker 1: or hotel. Is it a resort, doesn't matter, Kyle uh.
Speaker 1: When Treger was here, Mark awkwardly asked Treeger who we
Speaker 1: respected the most, and then Treeger gave an honest answer
Speaker 1: and said, Greg highly did you have any rational awer?
Speaker 1: Everyone was a little surprised by it. There was no
Speaker 1: irony to it, um and he did have a rational
Speaker 1: I think he basically just explained that Greg and Gregg's
Speaker 1: football passed allowed that respect to be greater than what
Speaker 1: he felt for. At the same time, like in that
Speaker 1: there was a very easy non answer to give there
Speaker 1: he chose to give the answer. Now we settled that
Speaker 1: beef with him. Now there's another one to settle. Uh.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when you were down under for a
Speaker 1: project you were working on. A massive NFL fan, also
Speaker 1: fan of your show g M F B A t
Speaker 1: N approached you. He was an actor and you told
Speaker 1: the whole story and television and then uh, when you
Speaker 1: referenced our show what happened, I'm nervous and this is
Speaker 1: how you described it, Dan Gregg, all the guys and
Speaker 1: you need to know and I know you and Mark
Speaker 1: know each other professionally, it's more than personally at this
Speaker 1: stage that that's something that's stuck with Mark for easily
Speaker 1: for me for a loop because it's not It's not
Speaker 1: as if it's such a large ensemble that it would
Speaker 1: be hard to remember the other guy. Um, but it
Speaker 1: it does. It sticks with me still. But I am
Speaker 1: a person who believes in ironing out these things. And
Speaker 1: I really feel nothing but good feelings for you. You You
Speaker 1: didn't you don't think you felt? Well? How did I
Speaker 1: say it? And all the guys just like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: e t n Dan, Greg, guys, let's hear it again,
Speaker 1: just in case, Dan Greg, all the guys, Damn, that's
Speaker 1: a tough beat. It really. I feel like the second
Speaker 1: you were teeing it up, Dan, I knew where this
Speaker 1: was going. It was only a matter of which name
Speaker 1: did I leave out. You know, I'm gonna immediately relate
Speaker 1: a couple of Super Bowls ago, when it was Bucks
Speaker 1: versus Chiefs, Burlison was doing the thing where he was
Speaker 1: interviewing like Brady and Mahomes and like before the game,
Speaker 1: and Brady at the end made this nice comments like
Speaker 1: he nay, I love the show that you guys do.
Speaker 1: I love you know you and Peter and Kay like
Speaker 1: just a great show. And so I relate and I
Speaker 1: empathize and like, I just I took that one right
Speaker 1: between the eyes from Brady. You just had to take
Speaker 1: it from me in Australia, probably like hung over something,
Speaker 1: but I still apologize. I accept your apology, and it's
Speaker 1: what I like about this is that I've now had
Speaker 1: a minor rift with two members of Good Morning Football
Speaker 1: and had then we solved it and got out of
Speaker 1: it too. Well. You know what, there's only two left,
Speaker 1: so you got the full set, guys, that's it. You
Speaker 1: have the complete box set. And I'd like to be
Speaker 1: a mediator on efforting right now here at the low
Speaker 1: Santa Monica to get Greg Rosenthal and Ian Rappaport together
Speaker 1: to work out some differences they're dealing with right now.
Speaker 1: But I feel like this one is squashed and we're good,
Speaker 1: so we can What differences do you guys have that
Speaker 1: you're the same person, Like, there's an amazing that that
Speaker 1: was more problematic than anything that you said about Mark Um,
Speaker 1: But we awkwardly started to bridge that gap at a
Speaker 1: premixer that award that Dan and Mark were too big
Speaker 1: to even show up to lost. Oh yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: fun premixer too. You guys missed out, you know, we
Speaker 1: here were two days and before we get I have
Speaker 1: a couple of questions, Kyle. We don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of time, and we're in the middle of this talent
Speaker 1: summit and we were told we're making you work at
Speaker 1: break everyone else wants to do. If he wasn't, if
Speaker 1: he was at the lunch right now, and Kyle, tell me,
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, you would be subjected to a lot
Speaker 1: of awkward small talk with a bunch of people like
Speaker 1: me personally. This this makes it even better because now
Speaker 1: I don't have to do things like that that make
Speaker 1: me uncause maybe Kyle, you're more an extrovert, perhaps, but
Speaker 1: they're all over. If I was not here, I'd be
Speaker 1: sitting here and having Scott Hanson asked me how my
Speaker 1: kids are, which I respect Scott, it's really nice, but
Speaker 1: like here we're making some contents. So, oh, Scott, who
Speaker 1: tried to cut us in line today? When you know
Speaker 1: that very nice, Let's let's let a lot of beefs.
Speaker 1: It was not the buffet line was they're giving as
Speaker 1: suits this year, I think in this contract and now
Speaker 1: they're like, this is not going to trump up a
Speaker 1: ton of sympathy with the listeners, but we're getting very
Speaker 1: expensive free suits from the suits were scheduled for eight fifty,
Speaker 1: right and Greg right on time. Mark not your typical
Speaker 1: was roll in like with your aviators on a Hansen,
Speaker 1: rolls in close to eighty and he tries to get
Speaker 1: in front of us and Greg, to your credit, you
Speaker 1: gave it to him a little bit, did you. I
Speaker 1: was just saying, you are not cutting in front of us,
Speaker 1: and maybe it gave it to him a little too much.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, if you were as if you
Speaker 1: were a little less condescending when you came in here
Speaker 1: trying to then maybe we would have allowed. I must
Speaker 1: tell you one nice thing he did because we're you know,
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a sports code down as Dan. We had
Speaker 1: to take this one off to get fitted by a
Speaker 1: very elegant clothing person and Scott Scott nicely hung up
Speaker 1: this jacket I'm wearing on a hanger and smoothed it out.
Speaker 1: So he's not a total He's a very nice man.
Speaker 1: But he tried to say like he had some appointment
Speaker 1: or something like that. I was like, no way, are you.
Speaker 1: We're all here for the same thing like we would
Speaker 1: have been there ten Scott said he's taking a flight
Speaker 1: um out of the country. And he has all of
Speaker 1: our episodes queued up for the flight, which if it's true, Wow,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna get to this and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: have beef with Scott. But let's let's get back. So
Speaker 1: Kyle again, congratulations on the Emmy. I introduced you as
Speaker 1: a champion. Do you when you won? When you're at
Speaker 1: the event and they announced good Morning Football, and this
Speaker 1: was kind of like you weren't the Susan Lucci now
Speaker 1: the category if anyone gets that reference, but for many
Speaker 1: years that was the territory of P T I I believe.
Speaker 1: Uh So when you guys finally get over the hump
Speaker 1: and win it, do you feel like you won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? And away? It was through Yeah, listen that
Speaker 1: you go to the Sports Emmys and people call him
Speaker 1: the Sports Emmy is sort of to separate them from
Speaker 1: the real Emmy's, and people say it's political and it's
Speaker 1: it's overdone, and they that that that, and I don't care.
Speaker 1: It was awesome. We we got a big gass trophy.
Speaker 1: And if you know the actual Emmy trophy, it is
Speaker 1: ridiculously over the top. It is like an angel holding
Speaker 1: up the earth. It's so opulent. It's there's no subtlety
Speaker 1: to Emmy Trophy. So I got that and you get nominated,
Speaker 1: Like all right, so it's it's p t I just
Speaker 1: like Seminal program. We all grew up watching Sports Center,
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick, Rich Eyes and and it was Bamani Jones
Speaker 1: up there, who Beamanti has just characteristically kind of underspoken,
Speaker 1: it's what he does. And so he just pulls out
Speaker 1: and said, good morning football, and I lost. I lost
Speaker 1: my mind, Peter, and I actually screamed in the audience.
Speaker 1: H We're sitting right behind Mike Tarico, who would go
Speaker 1: on to win for like Best Host or something really prestigious.
Speaker 1: It was unbelievably cool, and like I just I remember
Speaker 1: having like, um, if we lose again, which we this
Speaker 1: would be our third time, not like have a cool
Speaker 1: losing face. Like sometimes these guys go crazy. I remember
Speaker 1: when Burt Reynolds lost for Boogie Nights. He lost to
Speaker 1: Robin Williams and he was clearly piste off. The most
Speaker 1: famous one is Bill Murray for lost in translation, like
Speaker 1: had this terribly like a sour face because he lost,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, just have a cool face, you know,
Speaker 1: like just be like yeah, you know, sometimes they are
Speaker 1: too happy, like it it's a little too much, like
Speaker 1: they go crazy for the person now and then it's
Speaker 1: too much. We we've been in similar situations though, Kyle,
Speaker 1: we know that feeling. Um When the two thousand thirteen
Speaker 1: Stitcher Awards Best New Podcast was stolen by our producer
Speaker 1: after she had it delivered directly to her house after
Speaker 1: she had already left the company, that was like a
Speaker 1: similar type of vibe that we felt. That was not
Speaker 1: a unique because we got the experience of winning and
Speaker 1: losing at the same time. I mean, we we grieved
Speaker 1: together as a group through that, and but it's still stings.
Speaker 1: I can tell its stings, and you know what does
Speaker 1: haven't won anything since it's fine you will maybe for
Speaker 1: this episode we got the sweet vindication. My biggest takeaway
Speaker 1: from the Emmy is that finally, once we cut the
Speaker 1: dead wood of Nate Burlison, we were able to win.
Speaker 1: So like two nominations with Nate no wins, Nate leaves
Speaker 1: immediate win and so I don't think that's a I
Speaker 1: don't think that's a coincidence. And we're a quarter of
Speaker 1: the way to egots Me and Stragor the Tony is
Speaker 1: going to be next. There you go. Now I want
Speaker 1: to play another thing here. Of course, Kyle stole the
Speaker 1: draft with his ramp up and pop up speech about
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Here's a little portion of it. In
Speaker 1: my hands. I hold the most important pick. Look this
Speaker 1: entire round, because this pick is the only pick who
Speaker 1: will win the Super Bowl in his rookie year. And Kyle, Now,
Speaker 1: it did cross my mind. And again we sung your
Speaker 1: praises on the show when this happened, because it was
Speaker 1: really fun and well done, and the ramp up to
Speaker 1: get to the location just masterfully played, sir. But I
Speaker 1: did think to myself when you took the bite of
Speaker 1: the chicken wing at the very end, if that got
Speaker 1: caught in the gullet and you went down and you
Speaker 1: didn't come back up. We've talked about this, Greg with
Speaker 1: other things, that what would be the appropriate amount of
Speaker 1: time that would pass before people would kind of be
Speaker 1: able to make fun of how Kyle we lost? Kyle?
Speaker 1: Oh that is it for him? Yeah? If I died
Speaker 1: on stage right, that choking on a chicken wing is
Speaker 1: part of the Bill's bit. You know what I say,
Speaker 1: William Wallace, every man dies, not every man really lives.
Speaker 1: You know, if that's how I'm gonna go, I'll go
Speaker 1: down in my zubas on stage. It's fine, right, So
Speaker 1: that's like the Saturday. That's Saturday, right, or that was Friday,
Speaker 1: that was Friday nights, second Monday nights. Total axis. That's
Speaker 1: given enough time, like c block, just have a little fun.
Speaker 1: That feels appropriate, right, Willie and and car just chopping
Speaker 1: it up a little bit. We've also we've alten asked
Speaker 1: if we were, you know, go down in a plane crash. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what what block of total access would we even be?
Speaker 1: Would they mention that? Would it just would it be
Speaker 1: the crawl underneath? Maybe? Would it? Would it be mentioned
Speaker 1: in the block? I think? But if you if you
Speaker 1: died announcing uh Baylor linebacker to Rolle Bernard, like that's
Speaker 1: how you went down? I believe national story it is.
Speaker 1: I want segments done on it. I want Good Morning
Speaker 1: Football to do in or out Kyle's death. Did we
Speaker 1: like it? How did you play? I want to do
Speaker 1: a breakdown. I want to do it. Peter can do
Speaker 1: angry deaths in my homage with a with a with
Speaker 1: a scepter, I please make fun of me if that
Speaker 1: ever happens like J. J. Reddick, is, you know, making
Speaker 1: fun of stephen A for being insensitive about it the
Speaker 1: whole thing. It would be amazing now, and let's talk
Speaker 1: about it. Because you do what you guys do for
Speaker 1: g MFB. We go through the off season, but we
Speaker 1: don't do five days a week. We don't do three
Speaker 1: hour shows like you guys do. And I'm curious because
Speaker 1: you're a Chicago guy, um, and yet you've you've kind
Speaker 1: of gravitated towards the Bills. How did that happen? First
Speaker 1: of all? Is that just from kind of falling for
Speaker 1: the team as as part of the NFL network machine?
Speaker 1: Or Um? Where did how did you become a Bills guy?
Speaker 1: How did that just organically? Like we you talk so
Speaker 1: much about the teams for so many shows and for
Speaker 1: so many hours. It was a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and I just like, I started getting worked up and
Speaker 1: I was hyping the Bills and I liked them, and
Speaker 1: I was teeing into all those people not believing in them.
Speaker 1: And so you do some sort of rant and then
Speaker 1: people online like it and they're like, do another one,
Speaker 1: and then they win and then then the tea was
Speaker 1: like will you do one officially for us, and I
Speaker 1: said sure, and so everyone's like, everyone will be like, dude,
Speaker 1: like I had no idea you were from Buffalo, and like,
Speaker 1: not only am I not from Buffalo, I have never
Speaker 1: been to Buffalo in my life. I've never visited the
Speaker 1: city at the time. And then he's just kind of snowballs.
Speaker 1: And so now people like, oh, so you're a Bills fan.
Speaker 1: I'm not a Bills fan. I'm not. I don't care
Speaker 1: if they lose. I'm an enthusiast for the team. I'm
Speaker 1: not a Bears fan either. That you guys can just
Speaker 1: like divide that right as people in the media, like
Speaker 1: you like certain teams, sure, but like it's not like
Speaker 1: you're an eight year old with the hot dog in
Speaker 1: the stands and you're gonna cry if they lose, and
Speaker 1: they are they are like that. I don't know. I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that's a fun and healthy way to work
Speaker 1: in the NFL too, Like I think West had that
Speaker 1: as well. It's how the team of the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL podcast first came up, as like we really like
Speaker 1: that two thousand and thirteen Panthers team or I don't
Speaker 1: remember which it was, it was one of the cat
Speaker 1: It was one of the Cam Newton teams, and we
Speaker 1: sort of like organically, you wait and see which team
Speaker 1: is kind of you know, floating your boat that season,
Speaker 1: and then you jump on board and you have four
Speaker 1: Also were five of those. Because you like football and
Speaker 1: they're attracted to you, and you're gonna be at work sunny.
Speaker 1: It makes that Sunday more fun and it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be as heavy either. You don't have to be
Speaker 1: like crushed when they Let's be real though it would
Speaker 1: never the team would never be picked unless West was
Speaker 1: behind it. It was essentially the team of West right
Speaker 1: and also and also Gregg using the terminology or using
Speaker 1: the phrase fun and healthy way like, don't be condescending
Speaker 1: just because Mark and I ride or die with our
Speaker 1: teams are until something happened, I just you you can
Speaker 1: handle it better emotionally. But I don't cry. There's moments, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't cry. It was close after the week seventeen
Speaker 1: Jets loss and we had to do a show afterwards.
Speaker 1: Dan was not That was the greatest act of professionalism
Speaker 1: that's ever been seen on the programs. Are you on
Speaker 1: any text threads with Bills players? Are they are the
Speaker 1: players themselves aware of your not fandom but enthusiasts. Um,
Speaker 1: I DM just a little bit with Josh Allen a
Speaker 1: little bit. Like we we've met a couple of times.
Speaker 1: We've had a couple of conversations. So like, um I
Speaker 1: met Josh Allen's father in the airport, Joel Allen, who,
Speaker 1: as you know, is a farmer from Fireball, California. Like
Speaker 1: that is a man, big gass handshake, super nice to
Speaker 1: meet you, canned ham Mark McGuire, four arms, like just
Speaker 1: exactly like you would think. So I know them just
Speaker 1: a little bit. But other than that, Like, no, it's
Speaker 1: not really like one little follow up. Are are the
Speaker 1: Allen's Excuse me? I was impressed with your summertime, bod
Speaker 1: as I am. You're looking very sharp and you've been
Speaker 1: on this mission for a while, but it's an impressive physically.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised it took you so long as we get
Speaker 1: to this. Thank you for saying that. I noticed he
Speaker 1: had he has notes in the In the first Kyle's Body,
Speaker 1: he wrote it down like he wasn't gonna remember during
Speaker 1: the media sum it says Kyle's Body. You can put
Speaker 1: your signature on that Thank you very much. Mark, thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have other better things to talk about
Speaker 1: than my body as a Bills fan. Wait, first of all,
Speaker 1: who's that second round pick that you announced it? It's
Speaker 1: gonna be cool. You're kind of attached to him his career,
Speaker 1: and it's good that you didn't die, because then he
Speaker 1: would have that sort of hanging on him, like if
Speaker 1: his career didn't go, he would have to do it
Speaker 1: for you. So that's good. You guys will be connected.
Speaker 1: Do you think though that this offseason them sort of
Speaker 1: being the team and and I don't push back against
Speaker 1: this conventional wisdom that they are kind of the team
Speaker 1: going into the season. They should have won the super
Speaker 1: Bowl last year. I think if you replayed how it went,
Speaker 1: they to me were the best team at the end.
Speaker 1: It just didn't work out that way. Now they're the favorite.
Speaker 1: Like their fans get upset if there's like our list
Speaker 1: where they're not number one, or if their quarterback or
Speaker 1: their defense is even ranked number three, it's getting it's
Speaker 1: a lot and just knowing how the NFL works, it
Speaker 1: just even looking at the Bills last year, the expectations
Speaker 1: were sky high and the offense coming into it didn't
Speaker 1: quite perform at first. Is there any certain And you're
Speaker 1: looking at this team kind of going into this season
Speaker 1: of eight you kind of have to handle the expectations
Speaker 1: as the heavyweights, but you actually haven't won in anything yet.
Speaker 1: It's one of the toughest spots to be It's almost
Speaker 1: being like a Super Bowl runner up. Yeah, Greg, it's terrifying.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? They the first game of the
Speaker 1: season is five miles from here against the Rams. They
Speaker 1: could easily lose that game and then the guy is
Speaker 1: falling already, And it's like, I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: a team like they just never really want anything and
Speaker 1: that have expectations this high, like if if they if
Speaker 1: they get to the title game this year and like
Speaker 1: lose on the last second field, which an amazing season,
Speaker 1: that is a bitter, soul crushing loss and a terrible
Speaker 1: wasted season in the eyes of the Bills fans. So yeah,
Speaker 1: like they're loaded, and we all agreed that they're loaded
Speaker 1: as hell, But um if I I did a quarterback
Speaker 1: ranking the other day because June and uh I had
Speaker 1: like I had Rogers one and Alan second, Like they're like,
Speaker 1: I guess you're off the bandwagon, you're out. You're like,
Speaker 1: hold on a second. I got him above Mahomes, above
Speaker 1: Brady I just because he's second. They were furious. So
Speaker 1: like the sensitivity is going to be really fun to
Speaker 1: play with because if they start out like three and
Speaker 1: two fine disaster, like the world is burning lecture, the
Speaker 1: pressure would build and they don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1: But there's like a just statistically there's probably like a
Speaker 1: thirty percent chance they don't win the division either that
Speaker 1: they're playing a road game to start the playoffs. Everything
Speaker 1: went so right the last two years because that's how
Speaker 1: the NFL is, Like I think they are the best team,
Speaker 1: Like they would be my pick to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I'm not really even pushing again, but that's just sort
Speaker 1: of that's just how the NFL goes. They were ranked
Speaker 1: tenth in UM D v O A UM last year,
Speaker 1: which people kind of forget about because how awesome they
Speaker 1: closed and Alan was just unstoppable, uh in the playoffs. Um,
Speaker 1: but that is the one thing that would be on
Speaker 1: my radars Ken Dorsey taken over Brian Dable, what what
Speaker 1: happens there? Because there were If you really want to
Speaker 1: drill in on their season last year, then I know
Speaker 1: you were uh that they really struggled and it's last
Speaker 1: year with table, so now another year the division should
Speaker 1: be better. It's not a slam dunk, So it's it's
Speaker 1: gonna be maybe not to not to you know, get
Speaker 1: down on the Bills at all, but if you're a
Speaker 1: Bills fan, this season maybe won't be as quote unquote
Speaker 1: fun as the last couple because the expectations are so
Speaker 1: high that you're just expected to be back at the game.
Speaker 1: You got eliminated that last year, but you gotta win
Speaker 1: that game and the one after it. How about when
Speaker 1: Josh Allen met Josh Allen. Can't have that happen now,
Speaker 1: that's kind of cool. Yeah, the Jaguar thing, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't have a moment. They The thing that I
Speaker 1: think my bottom line with the Bills in the off
Speaker 1: season is like if they did not add Von Miller,
Speaker 1: if they did not draft any players, I still think
Speaker 1: they're going to be the Super Bowl favorite. I still
Speaker 1: think they were like those things were all I'm rich,
Speaker 1: screw it purchases, Like someone who like is just gonna
Speaker 1: get heated floors in their bathroom because they can afford
Speaker 1: to like, you don't need to get von Miller, but
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it anyway. Also, we're gonna draft a
Speaker 1: punter because he's the best punter anyone's seen in twenty
Speaker 1: It's full on, like it's one per center. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get a walk in humid or because I don't know
Speaker 1: what to do with my money, so I'll buy stupid
Speaker 1: stuff that I don't need. They're that loaded. They something
Speaker 1: changed in their season about halftime of Tampa before that,
Speaker 1: oh my god, the offense really wasn't the Bill's offense
Speaker 1: that we kind of remember it as. And and my
Speaker 1: big thing with them that I'm worried about is whenever
Speaker 1: you go into a season, it's like everything is great
Speaker 1: except for the offensive line. It's like, well that's that's
Speaker 1: a problem. And to me, like on paper, they're probably average,
Speaker 1: and there's a scenario where they're significantly below average offensive line,
Speaker 1: and that's just like, it's not gonna torpedo your season.
Speaker 1: But then you're just one of like seven a FC
Speaker 1: teams that has a chance that seems more realistic. Finally,
Speaker 1: before we say goodbye, Kyle and thank you again for
Speaker 1: the time. Um you're a pop culture. Dude, you are
Speaker 1: You just did a hard to Kill Segal retrospective with Simmons,
Speaker 1: which I can't wait to listen to. Um, football movies,
Speaker 1: football movies. Okay, we gotta get we gotta get a
Speaker 1: good one in there. I feel like it's been a while,
Speaker 1: um the last one. It's I think it's telling that
Speaker 1: draft day, which was you know, all due respect Mark,
Speaker 1: it is it is a C C solid sea. I
Speaker 1: think it was all the it's full of heart from
Speaker 1: start to finish. Forget that Kyle, Kyle doesn't know this.
Speaker 1: But and maybe our new listeners don't that. They showed
Speaker 1: it to us and they asked people from the NFL
Speaker 1: for it's gonna closs over at Mark. But now were
Speaker 1: but Kyle needs to know you guys for consultants. We
Speaker 1: went to a screening for NFL media employees in two
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen or whatever when the movie came out, and
Speaker 1: then they asked, they asked, hey, if you want to
Speaker 1: like give us some type of write up, we might
Speaker 1: use you in the promotion. And they really used Mark
Speaker 1: and they used it is quote full of heart from
Speaker 1: start to finish, A long chunky they're advertising. It was
Speaker 1: a long chunky paragraph. I tried to balance the positive
Speaker 1: aspects of the film and its shortcomings. But at some
Speaker 1: point that you know, they just grab what they want
Speaker 1: and I and that gets the pull quote on like eighteen,
Speaker 1: that's what's the kind of quote that they like. They
Speaker 1: do They like the full of heart from start to finish.
Speaker 1: That's like, it's a great it's a great premise for
Speaker 1: a movie that they didn't quite land. What about the idea.
Speaker 1: What if we get behind it as producers or some
Speaker 1: way and we reboot it and we try again draft
Speaker 1: or original I p any ideas that you had, we
Speaker 1: could kind of spit ball. Well the draft day thing.
Speaker 1: The first question you have to answer is who's the
Speaker 1: team going to be? Like, who's that featured team? You
Speaker 1: know what originally was the Bills and then they rewrote
Speaker 1: it for the Browns because I think tax breaks or
Speaker 1: something where they could film it. Well. Listen that I'm
Speaker 1: looking in your direction in terms of the teams that
Speaker 1: they would need to focus on on and I think
Speaker 1: you have to have a New York based team and
Speaker 1: I think it has to be the Jets. And I
Speaker 1: think it's immediately got some edge. Um, I think you
Speaker 1: redo it, or even there's a sequel, or you know
Speaker 1: there's something, but the draft is always amazing thing it
Speaker 1: or maybe you need more people in this scene where
Speaker 1: somebody comes out and chokes on a chicken wing and
Speaker 1: dies at the end of it, and then everyone just
Speaker 1: makes fun of him. Someone can play him like Jeremy Renner,
Speaker 1: Frank Frank Ellen Burst. Yeah, or we do. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's spin off like a Better Call Sault
Speaker 1: with Jennifer Garner's character is a cap analytics expert. We
Speaker 1: just really dig it deeper on her arc. That's fine. Three.
Speaker 1: I feel like the features have suffered because the documentaries
Speaker 1: are usually have been so good. I love that movie Undefeated,
Speaker 1: which is on Netflix, but I remember j Simmons one, No,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a documentary about like a
Speaker 1: high school team, and I just always end up loving those.
Speaker 1: Last Chance You is great, and to me, they like
Speaker 1: the features never matched that sort of drama. We haven't
Speaker 1: had it in a minute. It's well, work on it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna work on it. Kyle, nothing you have to
Speaker 1: work on, at least in the gym. According to Mark
Speaker 1: hey Now Kyle's body it says it right there on
Speaker 1: on is on the notes. Thank you, thank thank you
Speaker 1: very much. Kyle Brand, thank you very much, buddy, and uh,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll have a cocktail a little later. Uh listen, Um, Dan, Greg, guys,
Speaker 1: thank you for having, Thank you for having very much.
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure. We're back in a bad place,
Speaker 1: all right, there goes Kyle Brand. That was awesome. Also awesome.
Speaker 1: Late in the seminar on Wednesday, they brought out two
Speaker 1: guest speakers as a part of the UM podcast segment
Speaker 1: pod Podcast Power. We were not asked to come. I
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be about our podcast, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't mentioned once, which was fine. Again, I just
Speaker 1: kind of like de lay Low for this event. But
Speaker 1: two ladies that have successfully launched a show called nine
Speaker 1: O two one, Oh my god, Tori Spelling and Jenny
Speaker 1: garth Um the actress is to be the official name. Uh,
Speaker 1: they came out. And then of course after when the
Speaker 1: Q and A opened up to that, Kyle and noted
Speaker 1: pop culture buff especially in that era Rose's hand and
Speaker 1: asked a very direct question about a specific plot line
Speaker 1: from an episode from nineteen well I think also a
Speaker 1: moment and they had no recollection of what he was
Speaker 1: talking about it, but they were there spelling and Jenny Garth,
Speaker 1: who if you're a certain age, are iconic, Jenny Garth,
Speaker 1: especially to to some of us. Um both were quite
Speaker 1: taken aback by Kyle Brandton noted his cuteness multiple times,
Speaker 1: like I don't remember that at all, Mark's projecting what.
Speaker 1: They absolutely talked about the fact that he was. They
Speaker 1: literally at one point she called him adorable, which I
Speaker 1: actually took the player that D'Angelo and Ladinian Thomlinson, who
Speaker 1: we were sitting next to, took it in the way
Speaker 1: I did, which is like it was a nice pat
Speaker 1: on the head of like, oh, aren't you an adorable
Speaker 1: little fan and anything? And I thought that they thought
Speaker 1: he tried very hard with his with this comment. I
Speaker 1: don't mean that in a negative way, but he was
Speaker 1: a subject matter expert. I'm not surprised he was, and
Speaker 1: I think they were. It was an interesting choice of
Speaker 1: because I told Emma, my wife, last night, about it,
Speaker 1: and I mentioned to her how at least half the
Speaker 1: people in the room had no idea who they were
Speaker 1: because they were too you know, the people in the
Speaker 1: room like a graver. If he had been you know
Speaker 1: too young, they have no clue or and that shocked
Speaker 1: them because she was like, what how would they not
Speaker 1: know them? And I was like, if you're like thirty
Speaker 1: eight or under, you probably especially Garth, I think spelling,
Speaker 1: you know, with the reality show, it's a little more
Speaker 1: on the A nineteen eighty baby, I'll give you my
Speaker 1: um um my babe Mount Rushmore from and I'll tell
Speaker 1: you Jenny Garth was on that absolutely on that side
Speaker 1: of that mountain. In the Ae blancoln spot. He was
Speaker 1: on that Rushmore right a famously you know, anybody, don't
Speaker 1: ask me to open ended questions. George Washington abe though
Speaker 1: famously not a looker, a gigantic man, but kind of
Speaker 1: not a looker. George Washington would have been a better example.
Speaker 1: Lincoln was kind of sneaky hot and also get better
Speaker 1: look at the more, you know, because of his wisdom,
Speaker 1: his oratory. You gotta get Ian over here. Um. But
Speaker 1: Jenny Garth, um, Cathy Ireland, no arguments. Vanessa Williams, m M.
Speaker 1: They didn't save the best for last. The best for
Speaker 1: last for me is Tiffany avertheuson Kellys and Tory spelling.
Speaker 1: I know we're more the best for last plan with
Speaker 1: thank You Say by the bell She played Violet the
Speaker 1: nerd and a recurring role screeches girlfriend. I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask about that, but then Kyle sucked up all the
Speaker 1: oxygen with his and I said, well, he can't double
Speaker 1: down because then you're kind of again asking them to
Speaker 1: go down a memory of the wormhole that they have
Speaker 1: no interest in going down. But I would have had
Speaker 1: a saved by the bell Us. You're a true pro.
Speaker 1: You're a true pro. You understood the room all right,
Speaker 1: understand ending the room. Greg. That is sometimes something that
Speaker 1: I feel like you battle with um, certainly today with
Speaker 1: the conversation with management. I mean I understood it. I
Speaker 1: knew exactly what I was getting into. I don't give it,
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted it, wanted them to feel me.
Speaker 1: You are the bad boy of NFL media. But what
Speaker 1: happens when you come and clash with one of the
Speaker 1: more visible um members of NFL media, the news breaker
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport. Drama between the two men, and here is
Speaker 1: the conversation that we had, Ian Greg marking myself all
Speaker 1: right as promised. You know, I sometimes on the target
Speaker 1: of some good natured ribbing about giving myself too many nicknames. Um,
Speaker 1: but I'll risk it again and let you know there's
Speaker 1: another nickname that I want to bring to the forefront,
Speaker 1: all right, the Peacemaker. Oh and um sitting out. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that it's not sorry to curse on here,
Speaker 1: but you're just giving sitting to my right as a
Speaker 1: longtime friend, known him for over twenty years, and and
Speaker 1: sitting to my left is um a work colleague that
Speaker 1: I've known for ten or works so closely with. So
Speaker 1: to see, I mean we have now you just called
Speaker 1: him a friend and I'm a work colleague. That's just
Speaker 1: called reality. To see the friendship dissolve between Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 1: and Ian Rappaport. Uh, it's been difficult. So now we've
Speaker 1: brought them together Mark to try to iron things out. Now,
Speaker 1: the Peacemaker is going to back out of the way,
Speaker 1: and Mark, if you want to jump in and help
Speaker 1: mediate in your own way, that's great. Well, I think
Speaker 1: it's it's primarily the role of these two individuals to
Speaker 1: to heal whatever's going on. Um, I'm not sure that's
Speaker 1: a home run that's gonna happen here, because you know
Speaker 1: Ian is Ian, but um, Greg is one of the
Speaker 1: more hyper contrarians on the earth. So where is this
Speaker 1: felt like an insult? Well? Yeah, I mean I I
Speaker 1: actually just put I'm not claiming to know your personality.
Speaker 1: But I wonder that this is a manufactured joke, uh
Speaker 1: to to use a popular phrase on this podcast. But
Speaker 1: on the other hand, I have people within the company,
Speaker 1: um coming up to me at this meetium saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's what's your uh what's your beef with Ian here?
Speaker 1: So this this thing that you've started that uh interns
Speaker 1: didn't start making it public. Um, you know you're also
Speaker 1: trying to bring together. But I will I will mention
Speaker 1: a situation last night was funny because I saw Ian
Speaker 1: and we're not the type too. I think take take
Speaker 1: things too personally, H and Ian generally. I come over
Speaker 1: to a group which has some high powered executives in
Speaker 1: this little group last night one at the NFL one
Speaker 1: outside the NFL shadowy shadowy League figure there, and I
Speaker 1: assume we're gonna ignore whatever is going on here Ian
Speaker 1: and I. But the first thing Ian does is just
Speaker 1: like give me a big scowl face and like to
Speaker 1: make everyone. I was just like, oh, me and me
Speaker 1: and I and are in a fight. We're called I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like people, I was like, this
Speaker 1: was not the spot to do it. I don't think
Speaker 1: you really want to go through it in front of
Speaker 1: these people. I didn't want to go through it. But
Speaker 1: you can't ignore something like that. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like if you're on to make like a cartoonist
Speaker 1: mad face either that was my regular face, but resting
Speaker 1: Ian face. UM No, it's like if you do something
Speaker 1: dumb on TV, like, the only way to get past
Speaker 1: it is to acknowledge it, Like I like to acknowledge
Speaker 1: this cold world that is happening and for people don't
Speaker 1: know who don't know. Um, Greg and I have been friendly,
Speaker 1: probably friendly. I've never been over to your house, so
Speaker 1: we can't say we're friends, but we're friendly for a
Speaker 1: long time. Uh. He will often text me asking me
Speaker 1: for information, and I will text him, uh my various
Speaker 1: observations that go on on this podcast, which I will
Speaker 1: listen to infrequently, uh, and other things, and it feels
Speaker 1: like a one sided relationship. Um. And then I saw
Speaker 1: a tweet by and I'm not gonna talk about the
Speaker 1: topic of the tweet. Well that we have to what
Speaker 1: are you talking about but it was okay. It was
Speaker 1: discussing the coverage of Deshaun Watson. It was lumping all
Speaker 1: of the UH national reporters in together as if all
Speaker 1: of us were on the same page in ignoring or
Speaker 1: UH deciding that the Deshaun Watson coverage would be the same.
Speaker 1: And I believe what Greg was upset with mostly was
Speaker 1: we were talking about the football part of it, right
Speaker 1: that you felt we were talking too much about the
Speaker 1: football part of it. I think that the way that
Speaker 1: the it was covered throughout the process was yes, essentially
Speaker 1: assisting Deshaun Watson's agent and getting that trade and getting
Speaker 1: that contract like that part of my feeling about it
Speaker 1: didn't change that the way the media and you're just
Speaker 1: part of that, you know. And we had a long
Speaker 1: conversation on the day of the Watson press conference because
Speaker 1: that day I thought was an important day because it
Speaker 1: was like the local reporters got in and I think
Speaker 1: got to ask the types of questions that the national
Speaker 1: reporters won't because I think ultimately they had relationships that
Speaker 1: they were trying to protect that got a higher um
Speaker 1: importance in the reporting on our networking, on the ESPN
Speaker 1: and on Fox and wherever else, uh than just actually
Speaker 1: reporting what was going on here. So I don't think
Speaker 1: that's true. But first of all, the reason the local
Speaker 1: reporters reporters got to ask to Shawn Watson all these questions,
Speaker 1: and they did it again the other day at Mini
Speaker 1: campus because they were literally there. So I have met
Speaker 1: to Shaun Watson a couple of times. I do not
Speaker 1: know him well. I don't have the kind of audience
Speaker 1: with him where I could ask him the kind of
Speaker 1: questions that you wanted to press conference. Uh, what I
Speaker 1: do know is that we have, and I believe I have,
Speaker 1: and Pella Sero has and Garret Foe has covered it
Speaker 1: all of it. So when some of the accusers had
Speaker 1: a press conference, uh, kind of early on in this,
Speaker 1: I can't remember when that was, but it was last year,
Speaker 1: it was, yeah, it was yeah, it was kind of
Speaker 1: when this had really started. We covered that. UM when
Speaker 1: there was a new lawsuit, we often covered that. UM.
Speaker 1: I would not say that we covered every single detail
Speaker 1: because there's been so many details, but we have covered
Speaker 1: the bad and then we have covered there's not been
Speaker 1: a lot of good. But then we've covered the football.
Speaker 1: And this was a time to cover the football because
Speaker 1: he had just been traded. It was all about the trade,
Speaker 1: what it means for the football team, his contract, what
Speaker 1: that meant. And just because we were covering the football
Speaker 1: part of it today, that day didn't overshadow the fact
Speaker 1: that we've covered all of it over the last several months.
Speaker 1: And that was my main point to you, See, this
Speaker 1: is Dan. Dan's disappointed by this because ultimately we're getting
Speaker 1: into like a nitty gritty of like how how the
Speaker 1: media Jordan Dan is calmly set this up. And I think,
Speaker 1: I think, I actually think, even though yes, I I
Speaker 1: like the heat, the heat's fun, I think it's good
Speaker 1: that Ian's talking about this because this has been a
Speaker 1: major part of the Watson story. And Greg, you've been
Speaker 1: very outspoken, so it's good actually hear from Ian, who
Speaker 1: isn't a very difficult situation. I mean where Ian's roll
Speaker 1: the company and Ian's job um is to find a
Speaker 1: balance to that. So right, but I would disagree that
Speaker 1: it was like okay, right, there was. It was about
Speaker 1: the football, so that was discovering. My problem was with
Speaker 1: the entire six months leading up to I think throughout
Speaker 1: the process, a lack of context of what Watson was
Speaker 1: accused of doing and and also how that could impact
Speaker 1: like what is moving forward. Absolutely made it easier for
Speaker 1: the Browns to give him this contract, made it easier
Speaker 1: for his agent to make this money, made it easier
Speaker 1: for his UH lawyer UH to also fighting against it.
Speaker 1: And one thing I've really come to believe is that
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's the last person I feel bad for in
Speaker 1: this scenario. But I think the way that his agent
Speaker 1: UM has used his media relationships to gain favorable coverage,
Speaker 1: and that's not like prow Watson, it's just it's just silence.
Speaker 1: But what wasn't brought up in a lot of our
Speaker 1: coverage is all the negative aspects of what's going to
Speaker 1: happen when DeShawn and if Deshaun Watson gets treated before
Speaker 1: he's actually suspended, before these cases were set, were seeing that, Now,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? What I mean is that I
Speaker 1: think the Browns and I think Watson in general are
Speaker 1: continually surprised about how difficult this process has been and
Speaker 1: is going to continue to be. And it never made
Speaker 1: sense to me for him to get traded and for
Speaker 1: all the business part of it to happen before the
Speaker 1: legal and especially before the NFL suspension thing happened because
Speaker 1: of this. And I think if if the Browns knew
Speaker 1: how the last couple of months were going to go,
Speaker 1: and I think if Deshaun Watson knew how the last
Speaker 1: six months would go, I think they probably would have
Speaker 1: acted maybe differently. I don't think he wouldn't have necessarily
Speaker 1: gotten that huge commission for his agent and that huge contract.
Speaker 1: I don't think it would have happened as quickly and
Speaker 1: as easily. And you can say, oh, that's him doing
Speaker 1: a good job, and it's not because this is gonna
Speaker 1: follow Deshaun Watson forever. He he is starting to dawn
Speaker 1: on him and the Browns. I think that, like, this
Speaker 1: isn't going to go away. And I think one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why they entered into it is they felt
Speaker 1: like it was going away because for the most part,
Speaker 1: it had gone away. And you think of the timing
Speaker 1: of it. Um. I disagree with a lot of things
Speaker 1: you just said, but you think of the timing of it,
Speaker 1: um it the trade happened, was it a couple of
Speaker 1: days within the week of him being receiving a no
Speaker 1: bill from one grand jury and then the next grand jury. Right,
Speaker 1: So that was so the trade. Now, obviously there's been
Speaker 1: uh two and then maybe two more lawsuits in addition
Speaker 1: to that. Obviously there's been all these depositions, a lot
Speaker 1: of which has become public. There's been a lot of
Speaker 1: reportings since then. But the trade and the discussions that
Speaker 1: we were having on air and in other places all
Speaker 1: happened in the context of him receiving a no bill,
Speaker 1: which obviously does not mean he's innocent, but it does
Speaker 1: mean he's not going to be indicted by a grand jury.
Speaker 1: So I think that uh, those two facts, the two
Speaker 1: grand juries, did color the kind of coverage that we
Speaker 1: gave um, which is he's not going to be charged legally.
Speaker 1: So that sort of gave a window to all of us,
Speaker 1: I think, to talk about the football part of it,
Speaker 1: which really paved the way for the trade, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just I we don't need to go in circles,
Speaker 1: and this is similar in some ways, but we we
Speaker 1: got into it a little more like in a conversation,
Speaker 1: like I meant, and it wasn't personal. It was just
Speaker 1: I really disagreed with the way we like I I
Speaker 1: it's not just you that I talked to about this.
Speaker 1: I talked to some of the news editorial executives about
Speaker 1: this too, because it was upsetting. Ultimately, were we all
Speaker 1: work for NFL Media, NFL network. You want to be
Speaker 1: like proud of the coverage that you can do, and
Speaker 1: you should try to like impact the coverage in any
Speaker 1: way you can. And I and having gone through the
Speaker 1: Greg Hardy and Ray Rice situations, which is very, very different,
Speaker 1: but that was at a at a time when I
Speaker 1: was having to deal with how we were handling that
Speaker 1: stuff editorial, I was kind of amazed that a we
Speaker 1: had forgotten a lot of the lessons in theory we
Speaker 1: had learned from back then and be where I think
Speaker 1: we were worse now, like because I'm not an expert
Speaker 1: in almost anything, but one thing I feel like I
Speaker 1: have good experience from after the last fifteen years is
Speaker 1: how the sports media sausage was getting made. And I
Speaker 1: was seeing how people who are lining their pockets off
Speaker 1: of Deshaun Watson, namely his agent, but his lawyer too,
Speaker 1: and the networks and and other things who who wanted
Speaker 1: this to go away for the purpose of making money.
Speaker 1: We're helping to make this issue go away, and it's
Speaker 1: not helping him Uh, and it's not helping the Browns.
Speaker 1: In the end, I think like this is going to
Speaker 1: work out worse than any of them imagined it would,
Speaker 1: and it has. I I would say the assumption that
Speaker 1: they have all bought the silence of the media doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense to me. First of all, we're talking
Speaker 1: about it here and in many many other places too.
Speaker 1: I have not had anyone able to talk about on
Speaker 1: our podcast because no one pays attention to our podcast.
Speaker 1: But we couldn't exactly have these conversations on It's not
Speaker 1: true though we talk about this constantly on NFL network.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the allegations, we talked about the fallout,
Speaker 1: we talked about the new lawsuits. Uh. Pellicero did Total
Speaker 1: Access yesterday and his topic was Deshaun Watson and the
Speaker 1: new lawsuits. And so I feel like we do talk
Speaker 1: about it every time it comes up. Every time it's news,
Speaker 1: we talked about it, just like every time the football
Speaker 1: part comes up, we talked about it. What I would
Speaker 1: also say, one thing we have not done is and
Speaker 1: this is I'm not saying we should deserve like a
Speaker 1: medal for this. I'm just saying we haven't really been like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: let's just talk about how great addition to Shaun Watson
Speaker 1: is going to be to the Browns offense. I mean,
Speaker 1: we did plenty of that and the end of the
Speaker 1: days after he was traded, and that's fine, Like it's
Speaker 1: like like you can you can have both, but we
Speaker 1: did plenty of that. I just don't want you. I
Speaker 1: just don't want you overlooking the coverage that we've done
Speaker 1: of all of the negative just because we spend some
Speaker 1: time on football, like we are football reporters. And I
Speaker 1: also wasn't doing this out of like the goodness of
Speaker 1: my heart, but it also like I think can help
Speaker 1: like our industry or you or schefter has taken I
Speaker 1: think hits because of this, Like it's not helping you,
Speaker 1: like and we are friends and and I want your
Speaker 1: coverage to be great and stuff like there are going
Speaker 1: to be a lot of people that look at the
Speaker 1: way we do things in a certain way, and it's
Speaker 1: good for you to know that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you'd rather know that than not know that I
Speaker 1: would assume. I mean, I'm I'm pretty well aware of
Speaker 1: all of the things I report on and how they
Speaker 1: are viewed. I just don't view it as sort of
Speaker 1: negatively as you do. I just I spend a lot
Speaker 1: of my time and a lot of my reporting work
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to make that balance that
Speaker 1: you were we're talking about, right, because you know, obviously
Speaker 1: the off the field stuff is extremely important every and
Speaker 1: it's not just with the Shawn. It's what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: to Baker Mayfield. Okay, Well, is he gonna get traded?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but if he does, then he's not
Speaker 1: going to be the starting quarterback who steps in if
Speaker 1: and when Deshaun Watson is is trading. And that sort
Speaker 1: of led to another many many other news cycles. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know. I am as I told you
Speaker 1: at the time. I'm fine with my coverage. I know
Speaker 1: it has not been uh glory for all of us
Speaker 1: national media people across the board. I'm fine with the
Speaker 1: way I've handled it. Um, but I don't I don't
Speaker 1: mind you. I mean, you're sort of snarky, and that's annoying,
Speaker 1: but I don't mind you pointing it out because one
Speaker 1: of the things that in these cases, I wasn't being snarky.
Speaker 1: I was just kind of furious, and it hasn't hadn't
Speaker 1: gone away, Like I've been surprised that it's stuck with me.
Speaker 1: I know, But I would say, um, I one of
Speaker 1: the things with me doing this job and being very
Speaker 1: public and not just news but really all the things
Speaker 1: that I do are pretty public, is I don't really
Speaker 1: care and I don't really mind that all of the
Speaker 1: things I do get dissected, Like I don't mind that
Speaker 1: you're sort of picking apart the coverage. I take issue
Speaker 1: with some of the conclusions that you made because I
Speaker 1: think you're wrong on some of them, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: offend me. And you know, I would say that jerky
Speaker 1: tone probably did. But the fact that you critique it,
Speaker 1: it's all out there. It is all I mean, the
Speaker 1: same thing for schefter. It's like it is all for
Speaker 1: everyone to judge. The fact that I disagree on how
Speaker 1: you judge it is sort of a different way. And
Speaker 1: I told you like it wasn't about you either, which
Speaker 1: is like, that's why it wasn't like any rappidport criticism.
Speaker 1: I told you, I could have made a top ten
Speaker 1: rankings of the people that have offended me the most,
Speaker 1: and you would have made the list. But you weren't
Speaker 1: in the top you have. That's men, that's women like that,
Speaker 1: it's it wasn't just one type of We've heard your
Speaker 1: take on this for weeks and weeks and I and
Speaker 1: I strongly Lincoln agree with a lot of what you said,
Speaker 1: but we have not heard from Ian, and I think
Speaker 1: that's very glad that happened. And now if we can
Speaker 1: find a way to move past this. UM, I would
Speaker 1: love to see the men shake hands or perhaps even hugged.
Speaker 1: Is that a possibility. I would We would have never
Speaker 1: have hugged even beforehand. The best this is a peacemaker.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm happy to shake hands yesterday when
Speaker 1: we saw we get a photo of the handship. Now
Speaker 1: you're making it into what do you mean to making
Speaker 1: it into a bit? You at the very beginning told
Speaker 1: me there wasn't even any heat, and of course the peacemaker.
Speaker 1: That was a wrong way to put it. You're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: not that there wasn't heat. Like I was disappointed in something.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Ian has been, um disappointed in me in
Speaker 1: many ways. Some of those tweets, Oh my god, what
Speaker 1: if I were to craft like back in fifth fourth
Speaker 1: fifth grade in the summer when you'd make little friendship bracelets,
Speaker 1: you'd weave them and one could have Greg's name on
Speaker 1: it and one could have Ian's name. If you'd wear
Speaker 1: the other person's name on your wrist, would you do that?
Speaker 1: That's a fair all right? So but we are are
Speaker 1: we going to be back on texting terms again after this?
Speaker 1: See what he needs? Well? What can you offer Ian
Speaker 1: about that? Right? What do you offer in this? Let's
Speaker 1: comedic advice? I comedy in those realms, um, you know.
Speaker 1: I give him like these lists of possible cuts and
Speaker 1: trade I give him. I have given him idea give
Speaker 1: him ideas for breaking things that I've actually been right
Speaker 1: about over the years that have been this is not
Speaker 1: a joke. There have been a couple of times when
Speaker 1: he has been like, I was thinking about this. Does
Speaker 1: this make sense? Has anyone looked into And there's been
Speaker 1: a couple of stories where I've been like, I should, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I should actually ask about that, and that is true.
Speaker 1: And then there was another I cannot remember which it
Speaker 1: was definitely a fake trade that you floated that ended
Speaker 1: up happening, and I cannot remember what it was a
Speaker 1: healthy friendship? Is that enough? Is he giving you enough
Speaker 1: a couple of scoops, So I think we I think
Speaker 1: we're getting close here, we're bridging the divide, and I
Speaker 1: think we have to get back inside for the second
Speaker 1: part of the seminar, spinning his fingers. I don't know
Speaker 1: if there's a I don't know if we're going back,
Speaker 1: but I think I think maybe there's a post seminar cocktail.
Speaker 1: Maybe we we sealing them from the drink. I'm trying
Speaker 1: hugs drinks all out. I think you mean we can
Speaker 1: do a handshake after you know we're done. You know
Speaker 1: we don't have to do it for it must be
Speaker 1: documented for posterity. This peacemaker nickname, you're giving yourself, your
Speaker 1: the effort behind it. UM today has been umenous. Was
Speaker 1: trying to be the best part is when we got
Speaker 1: our we got our new contract, and UM Greg had
Speaker 1: a really nice tweet and then me and he and
Speaker 1: we're texting, and it was like, why don't you put
Speaker 1: out a tweet so I could quote retweet you. No,
Speaker 1: that's not what I said. That's not what I said.
Speaker 1: Now what I said. I said, Hey, did you guys
Speaker 1: get a new contract? He said, yeah, I just saw
Speaker 1: Greg's tweet. Definitely not retweeting him now. And then he
Speaker 1: did a post and Bang retweeted almost immediately, So there
Speaker 1: you go. It's my job, because I've been on both
Speaker 1: sides of this, is to bring everyone together again, and
Speaker 1: I think we've done that on something. But I don't
Speaker 1: think you've done it. But I do love that freaking
Speaker 1: the peacemaker is spoken. Everything is okay, now, we're good.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get back to the seminar. Let's get
Speaker 1: back to uh. Ian. Thank you very much, no problem,
Speaker 1: thanks guys. All right, there you go. Can I say
Speaker 1: something when when we talked about the situation with Greg
Speaker 1: and Ian, it's like, oh, it would be good pod
Speaker 1: fodder maybe to get them on and you just see
Speaker 1: what happens, see some fireworks go off. But then when
Speaker 1: the conversation started, like, oh this, I think this is
Speaker 1: effective and on a different level because I think it's
Speaker 1: good to hear both sides of this and uh I
Speaker 1: don't think necessarily Greg, you guys ended up um landing
Speaker 1: in the same place, but you just had a better
Speaker 1: idea of the whole situation, as naughty as it is. No,
Speaker 1: I agree. I think it's a good conversation to have
Speaker 1: and I appreciate it having it and our listeners being
Speaker 1: able to listen to it. I think that's it's great
Speaker 1: to hear like both perspectives of it. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: it was not necessary personal. But what you told me
Speaker 1: that afterwards, like oh, I I didn't really think about
Speaker 1: it would get you know, that deep into the Watson
Speaker 1: stuff and to me that that's all it was about.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was that was that was It was
Speaker 1: a very specific to that issue. Like we've been friendly,
Speaker 1: as Ian said for years talking about news stories and
Speaker 1: I I still do have a major problem. I wish
Speaker 1: I had said that too, is like the story is
Speaker 1: still ongoing, and so that's part of it is I'm
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make I'm trying to change how he acts.
Speaker 1: Is what I'm trying to do. Whether it works or not,
Speaker 1: I don't think, um it's going to I thought number one,
Speaker 1: you did not back down from your position at all,
Speaker 1: and he also showed strengthen his position, and that that's
Speaker 1: what made it a great listen. I was an observer
Speaker 1: for almost say it like that, I want to change
Speaker 1: how he acts. That's I don't know if that's necessarily
Speaker 1: something that is going to cause him to change of anything.
Speaker 1: It might cause him to dig in more and be like,
Speaker 1: forget what Greg's saying. I mean, it's just that just
Speaker 1: putting it that way, I guess it's not like I'm
Speaker 1: like trying to manipulate the situation. I'm just trying, Like,
Speaker 1: here's someone I know. I think Deshaun Watson could use
Speaker 1: some people around him who like tell him things that
Speaker 1: you know, that are different from the way he's being
Speaker 1: told them. I think the agent, who I think is
Speaker 1: really the one I'm talking about here ultimately, and the
Speaker 1: power that the agent has over the media, and how
Speaker 1: like David Mulla Mullaghetta has basically been like people should
Speaker 1: be telling him because ultimately I don't think they're doing
Speaker 1: themselves uh any good. And I include that for Ian.
Speaker 1: I don't want Ian to be remembered or to take
Speaker 1: a lot of criticism, uh, for how we're covering this,
Speaker 1: and it still feels like we're going down that road.
Speaker 1: I don't get the sense you two will be vacationing
Speaker 1: together on martha S vineyard anytime. So here's here's the
Speaker 1: question I have. And I was thinking about this after
Speaker 1: the conversation. Um, you you've taken issue with how it's
Speaker 1: been covered, Um, but do you think if it would
Speaker 1: have been covered in a way that you found to
Speaker 1: be more effective or tactful, that would have changed anything
Speaker 1: about what happened with his Because I'm gonna say no,
Speaker 1: I think no matter how the media covered this, there's
Speaker 1: still these NFL teams that want that guy. Not that
Speaker 1: they don't care so much about the guy off the field.
Speaker 1: If they think they can get away with the off
Speaker 1: the field stuff. If I can get the top seven quarterback,
Speaker 1: top five quarterback at twenty six years old, I'm paying anyway.
Speaker 1: So I eventually I agree, but I disagree in that
Speaker 1: the way that it happened and the timing that it happened,
Speaker 1: I absolutely think, and that the media has an enormous
Speaker 1: impact on how these teams and leagues and d uh
Speaker 1: players in everyone opera rate And if there was a
Speaker 1: loud drumming, it would just wouldn't have just been ian.
Speaker 1: But if there was been a different way that the
Speaker 1: entire media was covering it and there was still like
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure and a lot of negativity out there,
Speaker 1: I just don't I don't think it would have happened
Speaker 1: in that timeline. I think it would have waited until
Speaker 1: he was suspended. I don't think you would have gotten
Speaker 1: his guaranteed contract like that. I I do think it
Speaker 1: would have been a different I want to agree with you,
Speaker 1: but I can't. I I think that there was a team,
Speaker 1: there were multiple teams pursuing him, and I think changed.
Speaker 1: I think eventually it all would have come out in
Speaker 1: the same same place. And that was that was more
Speaker 1: of the problem that I had. And that's even more cynical.
Speaker 1: It's like they're pandering to a certain public opinion, but
Speaker 1: they're gonna go do what they want anyway. I used
Speaker 1: to have this sort of cynical view, even when I
Speaker 1: was sort of quasi in the media, that like, actually
Speaker 1: we didn't have that much of an impact, and and
Speaker 1: you realize that's wrong, like it Jimmy Haslum and Roger
Speaker 1: Goodell and all all the like major players in this
Speaker 1: are absolutely frightened and hate like the media reaction and
Speaker 1: want to diminish it as much as possible. And when
Speaker 1: it's loud, they have to act. I mean, the only
Speaker 1: reason why there's uh like the Black Lives Matter and
Speaker 1: the in the different statements on the side of the fields,
Speaker 1: and everything that's happening is like is because of media
Speaker 1: and public pressure. Like it's not from any like different feelings,
Speaker 1: and I would consider like this would be the same
Speaker 1: way if there was more media pressure and public pressure
Speaker 1: to be different. I will say I have been encouraged
Speaker 1: because I think there was a frustration a lot of
Speaker 1: us had um when the deal went down with the
Speaker 1: Browns and you saw that it was all guaranteed money
Speaker 1: and even how the contract was backloaded to protect him
Speaker 1: in the an event he is suspended, that there are
Speaker 1: the Jenny Brentis is in the world. You know that
Speaker 1: there is the HBO Real Sports, and that that expose
Speaker 1: they did that. The drumbeat has continued and kept the
Speaker 1: heat on Watson and on the league and on the lawyers,
Speaker 1: and it's I think that's going to continue. And again
Speaker 1: I think we talked about this with me and just
Speaker 1: that I don't I don't think the Browns anticipated this
Speaker 1: continuing this way. I don't think that it's potentially just starting.
Speaker 1: He might be battling these things for for a year
Speaker 1: or two in in um court, and I don't think
Speaker 1: they quite considered how that was going to play out,
Speaker 1: right so there you go, Greg, and I just want
Speaker 1: to say we did get the handshake that was teased
Speaker 1: at the end of we had a documented we have it.
Speaker 1: Good for posterity thanks to Drake we had I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't want that like that is what because then
Speaker 1: and then we're making like that was stupid. The cameras
Speaker 1: on it's it's recording everything we do. That's fine, but
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like playing it up for
Speaker 1: like it's like, yeah, George Bush, mission accomplished, you know, Banner,
Speaker 1: it's simply behind them, it's simply for our archive. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they have to I found this, um problematic. They
Speaker 1: refused to embrace. Why can't two male co workers who
Speaker 1: have come to understand that? But that would have been
Speaker 1: next level, would have been you know, maybe more appropriate.
Speaker 1: It's fine. You have, you know, different acquaintances coworkers, colleagues
Speaker 1: that you go through life. Um and uh you know,
Speaker 1: you don't have to have the same relationship the whole time.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you realize, uh, well you are a fine example
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, Dan was so Dana so on top
Speaker 1: of this, and we don't need to get into the details.
Speaker 1: But he actually called me on his way home. I
Speaker 1: believe last night, still trying to um. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not like the peacemaker takes off the headsets like
Speaker 1: uncomfortable because he you know, he's been friends with Ian,
Speaker 1: as he said, for twenty years, and he's you know,
Speaker 1: worked with me as a colleague with no renditions for
Speaker 1: ten years too, So he wants those two people to dan.
Speaker 1: This is man, I'm from heaven. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: like liquid gold. Like Greg was pretending his feelings were hurt.
Speaker 1: Uh when we taped with Kyle or with Ian, and Uh,
Speaker 1: I did come up to him privately, Greg, and I
Speaker 1: put my arm around him and it made him stiffened, duppy,
Speaker 1: typed up um like a porky pine. And I said,
Speaker 1: you are my friend, Greg, Yes you did. I was
Speaker 1: not really offended. You are. You are reading the room alright.
Speaker 1: So there we go. Here we are. It's time to
Speaker 1: say goodbye. Um, I'm getting on a planet Huntington, Texas,
Speaker 1: so I might do the same. I will be up
Speaker 1: there in um gee Bob's attict. Next time we're doing
Speaker 1: a show together. So we continue on anybody else, on
Speaker 1: anything to say, thank you everybody for listening, Thank you
Speaker 1: to Ian. Thank you to Kyle, Thank you to the listeners.
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