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Speaker 1: Because everybody gave you compliments from your shirt. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it just just like you're It started off as a
Speaker 1: compliment and then it started and then it turned into
Speaker 1: something else. And you know, how you do you know yourself?
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Speaker 1: here to talk about Sh'm here to talk about mixtape.
Speaker 1: I like that. Alright, let's talk about them. Let's talk
Speaker 1: abou so um. One of the best albums to drop
Speaker 1: last year, easily Tyler the creators Call Me If You Get,
Speaker 1: which was hosted by DJ Drama, which I feel like
Speaker 1: this is the first album Drama has hosted right for
Speaker 1: another artist. Oh yeah, because I was like, he did
Speaker 1: his he did all Gangster Girls album. Yeah, but this
Speaker 1: is the first time. The girls album needs more love
Speaker 1: than it gets. Definitely needs more love as an album
Speaker 1: Gangs the Girls, That Gangster Girl album is fired. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Drama has always had like aside from the other
Speaker 1: DJs who are known in this industry. To me, my
Speaker 1: favorite thing about dramas his ear like as a a
Speaker 1: and I mean Jack Harlow, he helped break ge z
Speaker 1: t I Gucci. Wayne was already Wayne, but I mean
Speaker 1: he still did mad tapes. Yeah, even though Wayne being
Speaker 1: I don't think Wayne is Wayne without the Drama tapes? Um,
Speaker 1: because all right was already Wayne though not was not
Speaker 1: really what the dedication. Those tapes came out before Carter three?
Speaker 1: Are you sure? Pretty sure? I have them on my phone? Alright? Alright?
Speaker 1: And it doesn't even matter Wayne all his accolades. Drama
Speaker 1: has a great ear. So I think it's super dope
Speaker 1: to see him and Tyler going on tour, and it
Speaker 1: kind of just for the nostalgia aspects, like damn, I
Speaker 1: grew up listening to mix tapes of seeing them do
Speaker 1: that have super flat Yeah, And I think I think
Speaker 1: one thing about it is the evolution of mix tapes, right,
Speaker 1: Mixed tapes went from being something that was just traded
Speaker 1: amongst you know, people that were learning this news, not
Speaker 1: even barbershops, like you know, not even making being funny
Speaker 1: like Darren and a King could probably remember like early
Speaker 1: early on set of hip hop mix tapes being like
Speaker 1: literally recorded on tape cassette tapes and being passed around
Speaker 1: and sold that way. Like I think back, I think
Speaker 1: back to that to the movie Juice, right early on
Speaker 1: when Q comes up to Old Boy comes up to
Speaker 1: Q and is like, you got that tape for me?
Speaker 1: I got shortly coming over, um, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's ten. He was like what he says ten? And
Speaker 1: then he's like he's like it was just five. He
Speaker 1: was like, did you get your Jimmy Wax? He was like,
Speaker 1: my mother Wax is the siware my house. He was
Speaker 1: just showing you how important these tapes were to hip
Speaker 1: hop and like furthering the agenda of hip hop, getting
Speaker 1: more people involved in it. To see it go from
Speaker 1: that to then seeing artists take you know, not even
Speaker 1: artists ce DJ's really put their stamp on it and
Speaker 1: push it as a brand and brand themselves through the mixtape.
Speaker 1: Kick Capri a legend, a legend, Kick Capri doing these
Speaker 1: you know he's the famous Stephanie Mills break beat. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like Kick Capri doing it, Clue doing it. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean at that time, you know, even flex like
Speaker 1: who kids, Like, there's so many DJs that branded themselves
Speaker 1: through their mix tapes, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: I think that, I think that's so dope. And then
Speaker 1: to watch the evolution to where you know, you get
Speaker 1: to a certain point where the artist starts to take
Speaker 1: hold of that and you have you got you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody revolutionized the mix tape with the
Speaker 1: way that G Unit did. Fifty and O the g
Speaker 1: and the radios and like fifty said, oh, I can't
Speaker 1: get in a rama release this, and like there's a
Speaker 1: certain fluidity and um autonomy that the mix tape allowed
Speaker 1: him to do because there was no rules to it.
Speaker 1: It's not an album, there's no rules to it. I
Speaker 1: can I can say what I want, I can do
Speaker 1: what I want. I can release it how I want.
Speaker 1: Even to what you were talking about fair you know,
Speaker 1: for a few years. We fast forward a few years,
Speaker 1: Gucci Man is releasing two mixtapes every Friday. That's nuts.
Speaker 1: Content overload the streets the early the early days for
Speaker 1: the internet, sloot in the streets and people had to
Speaker 1: get their hands on it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So to see, you know, to even talk about that
Speaker 1: beginning into like see how the mix tape has Tyler.
Speaker 1: We're talking about Tyler. His album was done like against
Speaker 1: the grill mix tape with drama talking cash ship and
Speaker 1: that's what came out of nowhere. I was not expected.
Speaker 1: That's the best part about it. And another great thing
Speaker 1: about mix tapes is how you can use sampling, you
Speaker 1: can use other beats, and you don't gotta go through
Speaker 1: the clearances. So if you're filling the record, you can
Speaker 1: just put it out without going through all the extras.
Speaker 1: Getting a guy like and like, it's so beautiful what
Speaker 1: the mixtape became because it became a way for someone uh,
Speaker 1: an artist who may be like critically acclaimed and maybe
Speaker 1: didn't have like a really good major label debut um.
Speaker 1: The mixtape gave them a chance to redeem themselves to
Speaker 1: their audiences, which I think is so dope. Like you like,
Speaker 1: like you look at a guy like Wile. We know
Speaker 1: he's a friend of mine, but I started as a fan,
Speaker 1: right and you talk about a guy like Wile who
Speaker 1: releases and the album I love, But you know, the
Speaker 1: masses did not love his Attention Depths album. The some
Speaker 1: of the core fans felt he went away from what
Speaker 1: got him got him here? What did he what did
Speaker 1: he do? Nothing more about nothing? In my opinion, the
Speaker 1: greatest mixtape of mixtape, the greatest mix tape of mix tapes.
Speaker 1: You I will put that mixtape against anyone mix tape
Speaker 1: and you I don't think you find a bet. And
Speaker 1: he redeemed himself and then put him in a better
Speaker 1: position and then go sign with Ross and then you know,
Speaker 1: take his career where it's been now where he You know,
Speaker 1: every time he releases a record, it's it does well
Speaker 1: that radio. The same thing happened with Cole too. He
Speaker 1: talked about it and um was that love Yours Truly
Speaker 1: Yours tapes. In the In the Cold Summer record, though,
Speaker 1: he talks about how he had to drop Friday Night
Speaker 1: Lights because rock Nation was nervous about dropping him. They
Speaker 1: didn't want to put the bag behind them if you
Speaker 1: don't really got no strong fan base, so bam, he
Speaker 1: dropped the classic Friday Night Lights and that Ship and
Speaker 1: Call is another guy who, no matter how I feel
Speaker 1: about the specific project, Cold does a very good job
Speaker 1: of making all his albums feel like a mixtape. The
Speaker 1: only album I felt didn't feel like a mix tape
Speaker 1: was Um. The debut album Sideline Story felt like an album,
Speaker 1: felt like a major label album. But when you get center,
Speaker 1: if we're just talking about the major label, if we're
Speaker 1: just on his major label releases, like those albums were
Speaker 1: uh done in the way he did all his mixtapes.
Speaker 1: Do you understand what I'm saying? Enough enough. So today
Speaker 1: we got a very special guest in the building. If
Speaker 1: there was a mount rushmore of DJ's, this guy would
Speaker 1: definitely be on there, somebody that I look up to.
Speaker 1: It has mentor me. We got djup the game, all right.
Speaker 1: So um, today we're just gonna talk about the legacy
Speaker 1: of xapes. And of course you can't have this conversation
Speaker 1: without bringing you up, So we want to talk about
Speaker 1: how you got into djan Um. I used to I
Speaker 1: used to wrap, so you know what I'm saying. That's like,
Speaker 1: really how I got into DJ Man, Like I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, doing music and stuff like that, and I
Speaker 1: decided to I like to be a little more behind
Speaker 1: the scenes than you know, the actual artist. So what
Speaker 1: was the rap name? Drama? Drama ain't no way. That's
Speaker 1: ironic and funny too, And he's like, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: the thing that led to you saying like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go behind the scenes, like with that battle. I
Speaker 1: just think everybody goes to the apollo, that's what you think.
Speaker 1: I think I just fell in love with the music
Speaker 1: side of it, like being creative, being able to see
Speaker 1: music a different way exactly, all right. I rest always
Speaker 1: so once you jumped into djan automatically, did you jump
Speaker 1: into the mix tape side of things where you the
Speaker 1: guy recording the songs, putting it on the tap mash,
Speaker 1: recording the tapes and did everything. I did everything, fire everything.
Speaker 1: So I always feel like when you try to skip steps,
Speaker 1: just like you're always gonna be missing something right, right,
Speaker 1: So you know what I mean, I do a little
Speaker 1: bit of everything. Not for those who don't know you're
Speaker 1: from Queens, but what was your upbringing? Light? Because I
Speaker 1: know in the early nineties hip hop wasn't really like
Speaker 1: the safest nor was it really like nor did people
Speaker 1: really know what it was? So like, did you get
Speaker 1: dangerous now, man? Because I mean, at least back then
Speaker 1: like it was you know people would you know, fistfighting.
Speaker 1: Now it's like everybody want to quick to grab their guns.
Speaker 1: So it's like what we're artists as sensitive about there
Speaker 1: rapping about their whole personage back then, like yeah, but
Speaker 1: if somebody this you you were just dissing back on
Speaker 1: the song, right, It wasn't like, all right, when I
Speaker 1: see you in the right, it's going to be a shootout.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that type of time. You know what I
Speaker 1: mean so, I mean it was, you know, but the
Speaker 1: more if we got to be, the more dangerous it got,
Speaker 1: the better the music got. No, that's not how not
Speaker 1: with that statement anyway, the niggas that was out beating
Speaker 1: up niggas made the music better. I'm just saying without
Speaker 1: MP music would sound completely different. I'm not agreeing to that.
Speaker 1: But there is this like a little video clip of
Speaker 1: Tupac going around, and it's like, Tupac, what don't do this?
Speaker 1: So this clip of Tupac going around, It's like, um,
Speaker 1: it depends how the game's gonna go. If it's gonna
Speaker 1: be more solid niggas than the music might just get worse.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna get more turned, you know, if they
Speaker 1: holding on to their balls. Essentially what he said so
Speaker 1: to your point kind of called that. But I don't
Speaker 1: think that's a good thing. But that's not The West
Speaker 1: Coast is always claiming poc man and he used to
Speaker 1: hanging queens in my neighborhood. Have him. Really, he's my man.
Speaker 1: One of my o g is big stretched that he
Speaker 1: was actually with him when he got You got Raw
Speaker 1: in the city. Stretches with him though, like the rest
Speaker 1: of piece of stretch, but say that stretched fast. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He he used to hang in my hood and be around. So,
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't even know him back then like that,
Speaker 1: but he used to be around. And he's hanging in Jersey.
Speaker 1: Something to the West coast happen crazy, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: gui over. So Park is really not even from the
Speaker 1: west like that. I don't know exactly, but he was
Speaker 1: born here, like Davies, from everywhere, a little bit of everywhere. No,
Speaker 1: that's fly. So growing up, you didn't get no pushback
Speaker 1: from your parents as to being in hip hop. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I only pushback I already got was for
Speaker 1: playing out music, you know, late at night. But you know,
Speaker 1: as they seen me progressing and you know, becoming more
Speaker 1: popular and making money and being able to move around
Speaker 1: and be successful, and they like more like you know,
Speaker 1: liked what was going on. They was cool with it.
Speaker 1: When in your when in your career as the djy,
Speaker 1: did you realize how important the mixtape was at that moment?
Speaker 1: Like the moment you realized it was important? What like
Speaker 1: how important it wasn't at that time? I mean it
Speaker 1: was it was very important because it's like you know,
Speaker 1: like I mean, especially back then, It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the mixtape was kind of like the Internet, you know
Speaker 1: what it was like that's where you heard the new
Speaker 1: music first, Like you know what I mean. So like
Speaker 1: when I figured out, you know, that was the route
Speaker 1: that people wanted to hear a new exclusive music, that's
Speaker 1: when I just went real crazy with it, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: because before that, I was doing more hip hop on
Speaker 1: B blends, like the Kick of Pre stuff like he
Speaker 1: was doing in the earlier that type of time and
Speaker 1: the Ogs Monday, but like Grandmaster Vic Baby Jr. That
Speaker 1: name in a while, you know what I'm saying. They
Speaker 1: was doing the mix taste and that's how I kind
Speaker 1: of like got love for you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: that type of stuff. And I was like, Yo, I
Speaker 1: could do a hardass mix tape, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I could. What was the thought process going into
Speaker 1: creating your first mixtape, like the first one, you were like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this one out. This is how I'm
Speaker 1: a brand, this is what I'm going to be branding.
Speaker 1: What was the thought process going into it right, Like
Speaker 1: were you going into it as an artist where you're
Speaker 1: going into it at a and r ear. Were you
Speaker 1: going into it like I'm getting all these exclusives and
Speaker 1: now I was going into it more like uh on
Speaker 1: the A on air type of time, because I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: if I make something that's real lit. Because I was
Speaker 1: going out and buying mixtapes and had had some you know,
Speaker 1: Army blends in it, and I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: there's two hot ones heads a hot one here. How
Speaker 1: I was like, if I make a tape that's fired
Speaker 1: all the way through, then you know it's gonna sell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's that. That was my
Speaker 1: thought process, right. So how did you get your tapes
Speaker 1: off the ground though, because there's a lot of DJs
Speaker 1: who are putting out tapes, But what separated yours and
Speaker 1: made yours so like iconic? I mean it was it
Speaker 1: was good that intro, it was good. It was good quality,
Speaker 1: um and uh, I just made sure, like I said,
Speaker 1: I make sure the blends on it was lit. And
Speaker 1: I kind of cheating on my first one because I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, if I started number one, no one's
Speaker 1: gonna I started like number thirty six? What you mean
Speaker 1: I started at number thirty six? Like you know how
Speaker 1: you started tape one I started a tape number was
Speaker 1: number thirty six, because everybody's gonna feel like, oh, we've
Speaker 1: been missing out right. That's like that. That's that's good.
Speaker 1: It's seventy of the what if I question. I know,
Speaker 1: like back in the day the DJ you had to
Speaker 1: carry crates and even with tapes, you had to be
Speaker 1: outside selling them. Like were you out there actually, hustler?
Speaker 1: Did you are not? Not? Because I mean look like
Speaker 1: it's like everything else, like it was like a job.
Speaker 1: So you know what I mean, I would like stay
Speaker 1: in the house all day and uh, you know record
Speaker 1: these tapes, like about five o'clock, putting my book bag,
Speaker 1: you know, saying go to Jamaica Avenue and and you
Speaker 1: know between six and seven thirty was like prime time
Speaker 1: up there. You go up there the book bag and
Speaker 1: stay out this you finished almost all the tapes and
Speaker 1: sell them and make that bread every day. That's good
Speaker 1: money now that you can get, like you know what
Speaker 1: I just told you, Remember I said that that's that
Speaker 1: that iconic I was talking about before that iconic scene
Speaker 1: on Juice where where Q cells the tape to the
Speaker 1: to his home boy and the price went up from
Speaker 1: five to ten and like just thinking about that, like
Speaker 1: a mixtape, all this music again for ten dollars you
Speaker 1: think about now, it's it's almost just like streaming, right,
Speaker 1: Like for ten dollars a month, we get all this
Speaker 1: unlimited music. Um, I want to talk about for a minute.
Speaker 1: And um, you know in all the classic mixtapes, right,
Speaker 1: there's always the DJ talking ship, y'all talk shit, where
Speaker 1: did that come from? Where did that part come from?
Speaker 1: Like the talking over the records in a very specific manner, right,
Speaker 1: like do you guys are talking you drama? Um Big
Speaker 1: Mike at a time, like even you know who kid
Speaker 1: on the G and the radio tape, like y'all were
Speaker 1: talking cash ship, Like where did that start? I mean
Speaker 1: I felt like it started, you know, saying from like
Speaker 1: DJs like you know, like the rong he's hyping up.
Speaker 1: But my ship was like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make sure no one no take my
Speaker 1: steal my ship, steal my songs and my plan. So
Speaker 1: it's like watermarking almost pretty much. You know. On top
Speaker 1: of that, you know if cars dropping out playing and
Speaker 1: you want to know who's taping it. So now it's
Speaker 1: like a way of marketing yourself as well, like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm marking your name. I never thought I always thought
Speaker 1: it was like some some like DJ Beef type ship,
Speaker 1: like like you gotta have a good game. What um,
Speaker 1: what was it gonna say? Uh? Was this a drop
Speaker 1: for tapes? Cana Street was the bootleg hub. This is
Speaker 1: where the most bootleg in the city. So this is
Speaker 1: where you wanted to Like, this is where you want
Speaker 1: to get your tape from us. This is where this
Speaker 1: is kind of where you want them. You might want
Speaker 1: to come to first because if you don't, you want
Speaker 1: to come here while it's this is where you want
Speaker 1: to start dropping that because you don't want them to bootleg.
Speaker 1: Is like you want to come here first, you want
Speaker 1: to Reginald. Yeah, you want to come in first and
Speaker 1: sell as much as you can and then go everywhere
Speaker 1: else because they would bootleg like the same like they
Speaker 1: would get it the same day if they heard it
Speaker 1: was out, Like you know what I mean, if you
Speaker 1: had a lit you know product, you know they would bootlegged.
Speaker 1: So like you I mean, was that not like obviously
Speaker 1: economically at the time that wasn't almost got rested up
Speaker 1: here a few times fighting He's like nothing bootlegs you like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you don't have you
Speaker 1: got my ship? You don't you gotta give me some bread,
Speaker 1: you don't want to pay. It's lit. So paint the
Speaker 1: picture for us because a lot of people today didn't
Speaker 1: weren't able to experience the whole mixtape era is the nineties. Um,
Speaker 1: you're in the club's New York City's night life seems
Speaker 1: actually completely different than what it is like now too,
Speaker 1: So um, talk about that and how you built relationships
Speaker 1: with the artists that you got on your tapes. Um,
Speaker 1: it started out just uh, getting exclusives like the people
Speaker 1: I knew, you know what I'm saying. Like even like
Speaker 1: with the whole the Biggie situation, like I had, like
Speaker 1: it was if at first it started out it's kind
Speaker 1: of like beef, but it kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: he got squashed and then you know, I mean I
Speaker 1: had some exclusives from Biggie and you know, he wasn't
Speaker 1: too happy about it and me putting on my tape
Speaker 1: before it came out, so he went up to Uh,
Speaker 1: I think he went to Flexive show and did he
Speaker 1: call you no, you know what me? And did he
Speaker 1: spoke because at the time I was working up at
Speaker 1: our c a uh and Steve Stout's office and he
Speaker 1: called over there and I knew that, you know, there
Speaker 1: was a little bit of beef. I'm like, yo, like up,
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. So I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: like I heard you. I was looking for me. He
Speaker 1: was like, I mean, he was really calm about He
Speaker 1: wasn't he wasn't really tripping like that. He was just like, yo,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. He wouldn't know where
Speaker 1: I got it from. I wouldn't tell him, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But he was like, yo, just going forward,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, let's try out. Because like a
Speaker 1: lot of them cats that worked with him, like half
Speaker 1: pods from my neighborhood. They like they like around my
Speaker 1: way and ships, so I mean between Harve and Nashem
Speaker 1: and like their whole squad was from like four blocks
Speaker 1: way from me. Like they just didn't know at the time,
Speaker 1: like who came out. No one knew what I looked
Speaker 1: like because I just I kept a mistique with just
Speaker 1: putting a question walk on the front of my cover,
Speaker 1: like that was like my marking that ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I mean when they found out,
Speaker 1: it was me like, oh Ship, like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone just became cool about him, like we
Speaker 1: just squashed it. And then then wait, so were you
Speaker 1: ever in a situation where they're like, yo, who is
Speaker 1: this nigger clue? And you like, I mean, like I
Speaker 1: remember way back when uh before Miami was popping, like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like for how they weekends,
Speaker 1: it was Virginia Beach. That's so we went to Virginia Beach.
Speaker 1: Was like twenty five of us. We all like, we
Speaker 1: had our cars and ship. We draw down in and
Speaker 1: obviously these dudes look for me. They don't know what
Speaker 1: I looked like. So they was all on the street
Speaker 1: launching with the with a little you know, bad way
Speaker 1: bad boy and left everyone in the hotel and was
Speaker 1: running the seven leven to get something real quick. And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, Ship, it's like probably forty fifty
Speaker 1: then walking down the street bad boy and I'm like
Speaker 1: I'm walking, but I know they don't do I look like,
Speaker 1: So I just kept walking and walked right through them.
Speaker 1: I went in the store, got my ship, went back
Speaker 1: from my hotel like they like they look for me,
Speaker 1: but theyn't know what I looked like. So you currently
Speaker 1: listen to the What Hip Hop Questions legis list would
Speaker 1: be right back after this break. So so like even
Speaker 1: until about it now, right like you know, rest in peace,
Speaker 1: Big and Puff, they didn't know, you know, they didn't
Speaker 1: know how but no, no, I know that, That's why
Speaker 1: I said big, but like but like at the time,
Speaker 1: it sounds like they didn't know how helpful and how
Speaker 1: integral that you having. So when when was the moment
Speaker 1: that When was the moment that you noticed that people
Speaker 1: are starting to appreciate you having the exclusive and wanting
Speaker 1: to get you the exclusive? The part of the defining
Speaker 1: moment when it became like kind of lit like that
Speaker 1: was probably um probably a little before that. UM. I
Speaker 1: think I had um methem Man remix, so it's probably
Speaker 1: all I need to remix. I had that, I had UM,
Speaker 1: I had mobbed Deep with nas song and had a
Speaker 1: couple of songs on and I had I had I
Speaker 1: think I was like just like getting started with college
Speaker 1: and ship. UM. I was in the area in downtown
Speaker 1: brook I went to school at New York Tech, and
Speaker 1: I went to like B Street over there. I dropped
Speaker 1: a couple of tapes off over there because I was trying, like,
Speaker 1: you know, like just expand the business. So I dropped
Speaker 1: a couple of tapes off there, and their ships flew
Speaker 1: out the store dumb quick, and they came like, yo,
Speaker 1: we need more to like a need more tastes a
Speaker 1: ready like I just dropped just dropped them off before
Speaker 1: with the school. So I was like, damn, like all right,
Speaker 1: So then I dropped some more and the ship kept
Speaker 1: sounding sounding sounding sounding. He's like, yo, you gotta go
Speaker 1: to my my store in the Bronx like and break
Speaker 1: some ship up there too. So I'm like, all it's
Speaker 1: a boom. I loaded the Brooklyn store, went to the
Speaker 1: Bronze Little the Bronx store up and he was like, yo,
Speaker 1: I need feeling for my Queen store. Lottle load the
Speaker 1: Queen Store was a good little it was getting it
Speaker 1: was getting lit like to the point where it is
Speaker 1: to the point where I couldn't I couldn't even keep
Speaker 1: up with it at the time. And then um, I
Speaker 1: had outsource to a company and Texas and they was
Speaker 1: like mats producing for me. But then I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: like you know the way that the privacy laws is going,
Speaker 1: They like kind of like quote onto who it was,
Speaker 1: and they was like, Yo, we can't be no more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I had to. But they were doing my ships
Speaker 1: fire like. They were doing it just like I was
Speaker 1: doing my ships, just like how albums look like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, words wrapped up and had the
Speaker 1: printing on the actual cassette. I should just looking lit
Speaker 1: so good for a little while. But then you know,
Speaker 1: became to the point where you know, it got kind
Speaker 1: of like was it because of like all the law
Speaker 1: or because of all the attention where he was like,
Speaker 1: all right, let me just do an album or was
Speaker 1: the album something the professional what you want to do? Um?
Speaker 1: I always talked about doing it um or if God
Speaker 1: he has stepped to me, uh and said yo. I
Speaker 1: was like yo, I think you know, saying I could
Speaker 1: introduce somebody who would end up being jay Z and
Speaker 1: dam Dash Like Yo, like, Yo, they think you could
Speaker 1: do an album over there, So he he had Jada
Speaker 1: Jay came to Meemia I called the music uptown to Hall.
Speaker 1: I was dropping to say he had a record he
Speaker 1: wanted um. He was trying to push and uh, he
Speaker 1: wanted to give me the record or whatever whatever, and
Speaker 1: then that's how that relationship kind of started with Jay
Speaker 1: and then Um, from there it was just like they
Speaker 1: was talking about it, but it's never happened, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And then um, Steve Stout, uh was
Speaker 1: that sony at the time he put it off on
Speaker 1: the table. And then um, I had called you know,
Speaker 1: Jane Dane is out of courtesy like yo, like, I'm
Speaker 1: just let you know, I'm getting me to do this
Speaker 1: dealer And they was like wait, who what what would mean?
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, like he made me, he made me
Speaker 1: an awful and he offered me. I think he offered
Speaker 1: me like maybe like at the time, maybe over like
Speaker 1: fifty more than they offered me. Then Jay and Damon
Speaker 1: Big was mad. It was mad. They fucking they marched
Speaker 1: down from the officers that came with the Steve Stout's
Speaker 1: office and they was like, no, it was man. And
Speaker 1: he was like, yo, that you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, I'm always a man in my word.
Speaker 1: So if y'all want to do the deal, like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I'll do the deal with y'all
Speaker 1: guys just gotta messed off and that's how happened. Fire.
Speaker 1: Dang that leverage, that's that's getting right there. I got
Speaker 1: that leverage right there. Um, do you remember what that
Speaker 1: moment was like when you heard the Best of Me?
Speaker 1: Part two? Like the first time you heard it? Do
Speaker 1: I remember, Like, do you remember that moment? Remember when
Speaker 1: it was all you know, coming together? Like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, but me, yeah, I mean that that
Speaker 1: was at the time. I had so much I was
Speaker 1: up to my neck and pause and stuff to do.
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, like I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of times, like and I think this goes
Speaker 1: for everybody. At times, you don't realize how big the
Speaker 1: moment is to wait after some times, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like perfect example is like um uh when
Speaker 1: I had I had to read bout commercial with obviously
Speaker 1: read about commercial and ship. I had that and then
Speaker 1: um and then um, I've seen it was it was
Speaker 1: coming on during the during the NBA playoffs all the time.
Speaker 1: Years later I saw when Cal had his commercial and
Speaker 1: it was going on the NBA ship and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh shoot, I'm like, yo, I remember when I had
Speaker 1: my ship like that, And I was like, Yo, like
Speaker 1: you know hitting, So let's talk about um, because you
Speaker 1: don't done at all. You don't drop albums, you don't
Speaker 1: signed artists that became super successful, you know, made them
Speaker 1: A listers. You've already legendary mixtapes before that, So like
Speaker 1: your resume is nuts. As like we have this new
Speaker 1: age of DJ do you feel like, um, do you
Speaker 1: feel like there's any discredit to the new DJs who
Speaker 1: don't necessarily do all all those things. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a discredit, but I feel like, um, it's not
Speaker 1: only in the dj uh circle, it's in it's the rappers. Everything.
Speaker 1: Everything is like kind of like microwave. So it was
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, Like like I said, like,
Speaker 1: you know when you do certain stuff and you like
Speaker 1: kind of like skip steps. It's like, you know, if
Speaker 1: if I make a reference just like you know, trying
Speaker 1: to work that camera right there and not reading the
Speaker 1: manual and you're just winging it as you go along.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. In your mind, you might
Speaker 1: think it's lit, but people might be looking at it
Speaker 1: like a little bit different than that. Like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying like, hey, you can do this, but
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But I mean, it's all
Speaker 1: a learner curve. Like you know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: gotta respect technology, You gotta respect the way ship moves
Speaker 1: now a lot faster, but at the same time in
Speaker 1: your mind you need to be able to to realize
Speaker 1: is that it could be way more effective. You actually
Speaker 1: took the time to learn ship. I mean even even
Speaker 1: I even I mean even I skip steps sometimes now,
Speaker 1: but it's like on certain ship. But I make sure,
Speaker 1: you know, apply stuff that I learned in the past
Speaker 1: to it to make it sense. Yeah, I gotta say
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like from me starting my DJ career,
Speaker 1: which obviously you witnessed, Like there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that hate and you were definitely not that like at all,
Speaker 1: Like you embrace and like actually teach. I would call
Speaker 1: knowledge she's doing something wrong, but listen, do it this way,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I try to help people,
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, because I mean, like
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I wish I had I had
Speaker 1: someone to call to be like, you know, to let
Speaker 1: me know, like yo, like this, you know, people call
Speaker 1: me all the time, like yo for opinions and ship like.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, depending on who it is,
Speaker 1: like I help him. If I don't focus you, then
Speaker 1: I don't get that. Now. Do you think uh, with
Speaker 1: the like you said, with the everyone having the microwavable
Speaker 1: mentality and things that nature, do you think there's a
Speaker 1: time and especially with streaming being what it is now,
Speaker 1: I would play lesson all that. Do you think there's
Speaker 1: ever a time where the the DJ hosted mixtape can
Speaker 1: come back? Of course not, people still call me the
Speaker 1: host mixtape I say, I've say no all the time,
Speaker 1: depending on depending on what it is, like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, come back and I mean no. I
Speaker 1: mean I do hold some mixtapes and sometimes sometimes I
Speaker 1: got black not because it's like it got make sense.
Speaker 1: It gotta be something. I'm not gonna just do it
Speaker 1: for the for the check. What I'm saying, if if
Speaker 1: I was doing stuff for the check, i'd be I'll
Speaker 1: be doing a lot more stuff than I'm doing. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, like I'm not gonna rule my
Speaker 1: legacy for a couple of dollars. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: think that makes sense. You know what I'm saying, so
Speaker 1: you definitely think you and Drama could definitely come back,
Speaker 1: like whenever you want. Me and Roma movie was actually
Speaker 1: talking about doing a project together. So I mean, you're talking,
Speaker 1: we're talking about that. Everyone everyone trying to put us
Speaker 1: again puss against each other. But you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's like that would be tough, you know whatever. Speaking
Speaker 1: of when whenever he got raided and they took all
Speaker 1: his money and all that, Like, how did you feel
Speaker 1: watching that happen? You look, you look out the window
Speaker 1: like I because because when it started getting hot like that,
Speaker 1: I stopped. You already have fab out. I'm much sure
Speaker 1: exactly when it happened, but I would like the raid
Speaker 1: was like because he wasn't the first one to even
Speaker 1: get in trouble, so when people started getting trouble, I
Speaker 1: was kind of like, yo, I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: really worth it for me to be Now what is
Speaker 1: your conversation with the labels though, because I mean the
Speaker 1: labels was labels were always with me, like you know,
Speaker 1: but you know, sometimes it's bigger than the labor reps
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, Like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: The labels was with Drama too, what I'm saying, So
Speaker 1: like what are your conversation with help us like? But
Speaker 1: I think you know what I'm saying. When it became like,
Speaker 1: you know, like doing it on a level where like
Speaker 1: it's kind of like like running a label show, like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you got websites on types
Speaker 1: of like they ain't that that's like having I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying to just dist them a number.
Speaker 1: It's like you know, having like you having drugs, like
Speaker 1: I got wet right right right, you something online and
Speaker 1: it's one thing for everybody the other way when it's
Speaker 1: done finally, but then you over with the doing it.
Speaker 1: It's like cope around the corner right over there. Okay,
Speaker 1: not on that level, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I get you still be used as a set up
Speaker 1: for an artist album or project. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of labels skip that part of it,
Speaker 1: and it's like and then they get the artists get mad,
Speaker 1: and then they get mad when she doesn't work, and
Speaker 1: but you're skipping steps, like they're definitely skipping stuff. It's
Speaker 1: going backwards. We were even talking about before, like the
Speaker 1: way the mixtape is transition right from from being what
Speaker 1: it is that you and that you and and envying
Speaker 1: you guys have started to then you know, the g
Speaker 1: and the radio series where fifty you know, revolutionize it
Speaker 1: where it's like artist centric and it's like I will
Speaker 1: since I can't get in, I'm a release these and this,
Speaker 1: I'm getting it out there. Then the blog every Niggas
Speaker 1: came and then well obviously then after the Unit, then
Speaker 1: Drama and that happens, and then the blog everywhere. These
Speaker 1: they're called mixtapes just because they're not major label albums
Speaker 1: at that point, did you, guys, you you probably were
Speaker 1: too rich to kid, but like when you start seeing
Speaker 1: mix tapes be albums, did you feel a way about
Speaker 1: the I guess the purest of it all, like this
Speaker 1: is not a mixtape. This is there's just an album
Speaker 1: that's not on a major label. I mean people talk
Speaker 1: about that like I mean because even when we were
Speaker 1: talking about doing the verses, they was like, yo, like
Speaker 1: you know, no Drama got the whole mixtapes of Wayne,
Speaker 1: like my mix tapes Warm like you know, like different artists,
Speaker 1: it was a variety. It wasn't one artist and a
Speaker 1: bunch of songs from one artists or even that time
Speaker 1: we're talking about like l RG was putting out mixed
Speaker 1: tapes and like these clothing brands were putting out mix
Speaker 1: tapes and it just didn't ever feel like commercialized to you.
Speaker 1: And like, man, this is not where we started. It's
Speaker 1: kind of commercialized, you know what I mean? Now, I
Speaker 1: mean it's just playlists. Some are really mixed tapes, so
Speaker 1: so so I'll produce that. Said that, and I didn't
Speaker 1: understand it. What do y'all mean when y'all say the
Speaker 1: playlists say it's the same thing. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you have like let's say you have let's say, for instance,
Speaker 1: Spotify wrap caviards, right, a bunch of a bunch of
Speaker 1: new songs, Like if that would be like clue tape
Speaker 1: wrap caviard not not saying that it, I mean, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be like like that is, but I mean, for instance,
Speaker 1: I you know, I mean like that would be like,
Speaker 1: let's ay, DJ Drama mix tape with songs from different artists,
Speaker 1: the same thing as a mixtape. It's the same function. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. Okay, now other than the songs
Speaker 1: now just just playing by themselves like in whatever order,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, like because Clue you
Speaker 1: got exclusives all the time, and get exclusives. I used
Speaker 1: to get songs that people would do just for me.
Speaker 1: I used to get freestyles, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it was a little bit different. So like you know,
Speaker 1: like it was you have a taist any songs, it's
Speaker 1: something that somebody sent you, and you're like, I'm not
Speaker 1: using this of course all the time. Like that's kind
Speaker 1: of all right, kind of all right. But so if
Speaker 1: you had to name the three other people on that
Speaker 1: mount Rushmore with you? Come on, I'm not gonna I
Speaker 1: didn't know this question was coming. I like that put
Speaker 1: you on? But they Rushmore? Who am I dishing up? Like,
Speaker 1: come on, they put you on the Russia. It's not
Speaker 1: like you're saying, like who is your you on the Rushima?
Speaker 1: We acknowledging that you. They asked me who else wanna
Speaker 1: add on him? And this could be zillions and names.
Speaker 1: This is crazy. This is not the same guy that
Speaker 1: was snuffing Bootlegged. Don't make it personal. Just from the outside,
Speaker 1: looking at who do you think hip hop would pick?
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean people, people might not pick me though.
Speaker 1: Now that's crazy. You it's drunk. You can say that
Speaker 1: right now. I get a lot. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: hate out there, man, Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like people like you know, they just have Everyone has
Speaker 1: their own opinions, Like you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 1: even you're go online and say like, oh the tops
Speaker 1: of all time, like people, a lot of people have
Speaker 1: their own opinions or who they like? You know what saying?
Speaker 1: Who they? Who they? Who likes? Like Nala has her
Speaker 1: artists that she likes, like no one, no one from
Speaker 1: g C Maryland area can do wrong for not like
Speaker 1: and I'm expected so I might say the same thing
Speaker 1: about Queen or like you know what I mean, New
Speaker 1: York Tuchau. Alright, so you don't that give us that Maryland.
Speaker 1: But this is crazy, what I mean. You're the one
Speaker 1: who brought up a l today, not me. I agree.
Speaker 1: Top top three and not three best mixtapes. That's the
Speaker 1: best one. Top three best mixtapes. You can't even say that.
Speaker 1: You can't even give us that three best mixtapes. And
Speaker 1: if you want to, if you want to do errors,
Speaker 1: we'll take errors so to less to be just to
Speaker 1: be honest. But if you had to pick one from
Speaker 1: every error. If you got to pick one from your error,
Speaker 1: you gotta pick one from the drama error. But to
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't, like, I don't consider a mixtape
Speaker 1: of the same artists under actual mixtapes actually mixtapes. Personally, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can understand that you could. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: an album. Yeah, so you will cut the drama out.
Speaker 1: You're just saying. I'm not saying I will cut him out.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, but he does have something that
Speaker 1: aren't drama, does have something that are mix which ones
Speaker 1: out outside of his own album, which one um, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about the album, the Games, the Girl album, the
Speaker 1: only compilation he has. Everything else is he did it
Speaker 1: with one artist. He brings them a valid point, but
Speaker 1: that is that's a valid point. I never thought about
Speaker 1: like that, like comparing it to so like you can't
Speaker 1: show me the Money Part two to because that's different
Speaker 1: because then it's like an album versus like let's say
Speaker 1: I had like yeah, it's like you know, I had
Speaker 1: the logs and jay Z and Source Money and mad.
Speaker 1: Since you can't compare that to like an album with
Speaker 1: just jay Z, like you know what, mix it with
Speaker 1: just jay Z on this, were you able to pick
Speaker 1: your head up at the time and be able to
Speaker 1: appreciate what was going on at that moment when you're
Speaker 1: getting these exclusives like how on fire you were with
Speaker 1: I knew like when I get exclusive, I knew, like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like this is like you know,
Speaker 1: because I would go in you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: going do the freestyle with the artists sometimes like you know,
Speaker 1: you just know you're about to come into some money,
Speaker 1: like Yo, this ship, this ship's gonna go crazy. But
Speaker 1: you didn't feel like that about because like let's you
Speaker 1: do just let's say you get this like all right
Speaker 1: for instance, like let's say like nowadays, you you'll have
Speaker 1: a let's say someone like a maybe like a little
Speaker 1: baby or something comes and just does a freestyle it's
Speaker 1: exclusive to you, and you're about to go sell it.
Speaker 1: It's like it's not like you're about to just put
Speaker 1: online and put on your Instagram and put on YouTube,
Speaker 1: like you're about to go press it up and put
Speaker 1: it in the street and can of hand it's gonna
Speaker 1: you like you know, you're about so imagine having like
Speaker 1: I had the lots when the lots is on fire,
Speaker 1: jay Z maze like you have always dudes doing freestyle,
Speaker 1: like you have three or four freestyles and they have
Speaker 1: a bunch of new songs. You're about to come into
Speaker 1: some cash man. You're now listening to the what if
Speaker 1: I questioned? Looking to listen? Will be right back after
Speaker 1: the break. Let's talk about that hard Knock Life tour.
Speaker 1: Life changing. Yeah, it was that, you know what. That's
Speaker 1: another thing like you know what I mean, like a
Speaker 1: lot of DJs might never be able to I mean
Speaker 1: now it might be different, but back then, like you know,
Speaker 1: like I want to say, learning curve, like you know,
Speaker 1: like you're going from town to town and you've seen
Speaker 1: just like how you know, they got their own artists
Speaker 1: stay like different, different songs and music like you like,
Speaker 1: I'm from New York. I go to Dallas. You play
Speaker 1: jay Z and it wasn't working with it. You're like,
Speaker 1: wait what jay hole? Like you pay the gold play
Speaker 1: the back then you go pay the hottest jay Z
Speaker 1: song that's on fire in New York, Baltimore, Virginia. You
Speaker 1: go to Dallas play in his crickets. You'd be like
Speaker 1: and then everyone looks at you like like wait, what
Speaker 1: are you like, what do I that? I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like I said, it's the learning curve. I learned that
Speaker 1: you gotta go tap in and and find out when
Speaker 1: you go to whatever city, like what's that ship? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or what the what's the genre you gotta play? Like
Speaker 1: you go to the Bay, you gotta play. You have
Speaker 1: to play the HYPEI ship. You gotta just gotta know.
Speaker 1: Like there's so many levels to like you said, learning
Speaker 1: curve and being a DJ, but even like being an
Speaker 1: opener DJ and then the middle DJ and with the
Speaker 1: closing DJ tweet. I just tweeted about that before before
Speaker 1: I came. I just tweeted that no DJ wants to
Speaker 1: be the opening DJ. Every DJ, every DJ wants to
Speaker 1: be the one who comes on and plays all the hits.
Speaker 1: But they don't know their their roles. So I want
Speaker 1: you to break it down as to what each DJ
Speaker 1: is supposed to play. These new j don't know. They're
Speaker 1: learning off of you. Both on my other podcast, gotten
Speaker 1: Next to Our DJ both and he said the opening
Speaker 1: DJ should be paid more. You got the hardest part,
Speaker 1: get in then give video for the closer that if
Speaker 1: the open DJs went crazy, all the DJs went crazy.
Speaker 1: Should the d he started DJ Warsha's like, now you're
Speaker 1: bucking out? Why should opening? First of all, the opening DJ,
Speaker 1: there's a new kid on the block is playing should
Speaker 1: be playing songs that's not that current but still still
Speaker 1: were hot. So if they already learned what to play
Speaker 1: from before, why should they get paid more? That don't
Speaker 1: make sense because they have to keep they have to
Speaker 1: keep the party hot before y'all get there. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you but let me get booth on the front of
Speaker 1: the opening already learned from It's kind of like the
Speaker 1: hardest part of the prime time DJ played that stuff
Speaker 1: a year ago. Yeah, but still he has to do
Speaker 1: it today. That if I tell you, if I tell you,
Speaker 1: like yo, figure out how to work this iPad, right,
Speaker 1: but you already Let's say you had iPad one and
Speaker 1: you already learned already show you how to work it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be easy if I could keep this iPad
Speaker 1: working as long as I get it working, so you
Speaker 1: could get here and do your job. But I'm also
Speaker 1: not a DJ. I'm a host as much as a chef.
Speaker 1: You know, the biggest fight, the biggest fight would opening
Speaker 1: DJ is the urge to play the hits. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: want to play the hits so bad. Oh, I want
Speaker 1: to pay break hard. So you don't think that you
Speaker 1: don't think the opening DJ price should go up? No,
Speaker 1: I'm not don't even I'm not even asking that question
Speaker 1: for the price to go up. I'm asking that question.
Speaker 1: You think, do you think the bench players on the
Speaker 1: Lakers should get paid more than the than the stars
Speaker 1: on the on the Lakers. I'm just saying everybody's losing,
Speaker 1: so no, get paid less. Let's say let's say the Warriors.
Speaker 1: You think you think the bench players are getting paid
Speaker 1: more to step, but they're not doing it. But they're
Speaker 1: not doing the work in DJ is doing the Imagine
Speaker 1: you get a shitty opening DJ, but everybody in the
Speaker 1: club is going before the DeFore the headline to get there.
Speaker 1: Everybody got a roll to play. Everybody's till later. Everybody
Speaker 1: got a role to play. But I just remember, like
Speaker 1: you and Donna Marco used to be like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like do R and B or like do the classics
Speaker 1: like early classics. But then when I get the parties,
Speaker 1: the openers before me, if I'm the middle of the
Speaker 1: opener would be playing fucking check West and everything that's
Speaker 1: not right now, And I'm like to me, that's just
Speaker 1: you know, you already know you're ruining the party because
Speaker 1: it's supposed to go. A party supposed to go like this.
Speaker 1: It's not supposed to go start from it like you
Speaker 1: don't you don't have sex and come first and have
Speaker 1: sex because it ain't gonna work out for you. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that you gotta work your way
Speaker 1: up to it. So it's like the opening DJ job
Speaker 1: is to you know, play some joints like oh sho,
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. That's hard, this is oh that's
Speaker 1: my ship, that's that used to be my ship, all right,
Speaker 1: and then keep the energy decent and then when the
Speaker 1: prime time DJ gets there, they get it super hyped, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like a club owners nightmares.
Speaker 1: The person who came in here, the hard record that
Speaker 1: got there a little earlier, here's the record they wanted him,
Speaker 1: like I fought about to go home and leave and
Speaker 1: don't buy no more drinks, Like you don't want that,
Speaker 1: you want you want to be like damn when I'm
Speaker 1: waiting him my joint, I've cut niggers. If I've been
Speaker 1: like come on, don't drop that. That's why. That's why
Speaker 1: I like if like, now let's tell you like when
Speaker 1: I'm hoaching, I'll be right here. But now I don't
Speaker 1: play it, bro, That's what I mean. That's a lot
Speaker 1: of them. I feel like in their mind, they feel
Speaker 1: like they should be the ones. They're also going for
Speaker 1: self right, Like there's also not that like the camaraderie
Speaker 1: of it all of like just the culture is not
Speaker 1: there anymore, like a nigga is going for self like
Speaker 1: like and they don't care about this party. Like back
Speaker 1: in the day, they was like, oh, this was the
Speaker 1: Wednesday night spot every right here, so that the DJs
Speaker 1: were like a team. Now you got df from over here,
Speaker 1: have multiple parties, so they had multipartis and they're gonna
Speaker 1: come in. They're gonna come in the party and want
Speaker 1: to play all the hits and then leave the party.
Speaker 1: Party parties. Clue. Last few questions, Thank you for your time.
Speaker 1: You have a radio show on every night. Who is
Speaker 1: who do you see like just blowing up as an
Speaker 1: artist this year? Like, what's someone that you're feeling right now?
Speaker 1: This ship? I mean, I really haven't um I heard
Speaker 1: nobody's super New that's crazy like that, that's you said
Speaker 1: all these names, Well maybe not New who you think
Speaker 1: it's just gonna blow in that has that probably has
Speaker 1: the best chance of blowing Probably someone like a Nardo
Speaker 1: Wick Like what I'm saying, Like Nardo, Nardo got some
Speaker 1: ship with him. You know what I'm saying, Um, I've
Speaker 1: been talking about I've been talking about a young boy
Speaker 1: for years. Like I feel like Niggas is just like
Speaker 1: now seeing the light Like I always thought he was
Speaker 1: the light up here. You think you're gonna get commercial
Speaker 1: success now? I mean I think he's super successful already. Yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely in the South. Yeah he that YouTube he didn't
Speaker 1: having some Yeah that YouTube he got in the troke
Speaker 1: hold yeah YouTube. But maybe you'll start hearing we'll start
Speaker 1: hearing him on the radio more. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like me, I mean, look, look how long
Speaker 1: it took dirt man Dirt and look at my boy,
Speaker 1: Dirt Dirk been working for a long time, bro, Dirk
Speaker 1: guy signing with like two twelve to that and eleven.
Speaker 1: I've been looking at some of the old pitches we've
Speaker 1: got and I'm like, God, damn, Dregs took the dregs
Speaker 1: off got the dregs. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Seeson one small chain. Now look at him, he's like
Speaker 1: he's there. Yeah, he's the guy I'm saying, Like, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's like, you know, like
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, Like there's no way like you
Speaker 1: should ever think in your mind that you're gonna give up,
Speaker 1: like you just keep working, keep working, you just never
Speaker 1: knowing something. A lot of the new rappers are just
Speaker 1: doing like you know, they because of the technologies, like
Speaker 1: I said, they're going and they're just sucking. They going
Speaker 1: to booth. They don't. They don't they don't write their
Speaker 1: rhymes down. But they don't because they heard about it.
Speaker 1: It ain't because you know what I mean. They feel
Speaker 1: like if they don't do that, then they're not doing
Speaker 1: was was popping? Like and then you hear a lot
Speaker 1: of you hear a lot of the raps just like
Speaker 1: your hear it's like you know, you can tell that
Speaker 1: it's line line line line, like you're going to say,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you could tell like
Speaker 1: they they're not they don't write their rhymes out. They
Speaker 1: just punch line line line on top of lines. It's
Speaker 1: like you hit them rapping on the conversional topic. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you this, if you bring the professional back,
Speaker 1: who's on that tape? Mm hmmm, profession If you bring
Speaker 1: the professional series back, who is on that tape? For sure?
Speaker 1: You know? If in but the labels don't gotta call
Speaker 1: you on bag before you answer? Can I get a skit?
Speaker 1: I just want to sk Just let me just say
Speaker 1: something for the community till you know, you know what
Speaker 1: they're like. To be honest, you man, it's like the
Speaker 1: biggest thing that had me like even stopped doing what
Speaker 1: type of projects, like the claimer should be a headache.
Speaker 1: Obviously this is reality. Of course, you know it has
Speaker 1: to be like you know, a little dirty little baby
Speaker 1: the voice in the hero Yeah, boy baby, money bag
Speaker 1: of course, money Bag. I got to green who got
Speaker 1: got some high joints? Rick Ross up with a lot um.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, this tape sounds crazy already. I feel
Speaker 1: like if I know if I'm in their curating there, bro,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be some ship like I want R and
Speaker 1: B clue too, though I want R and B. I
Speaker 1: would definitely do some R and B ship. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was telling my niece this man, because she's like she's younger.
Speaker 1: So I walked in and she was playing on music
Speaker 1: Soul Child, and I'm like, well, that's all the kids do, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's I love that my kid, my oldest and fifteen,
Speaker 1: all she's doing. Listening to R and B from like
Speaker 1: two thousand and one. I feel I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: when they first get onto music, I feel like it's cool.
Speaker 1: And then they start. I told like, you start to
Speaker 1: realize that a lot of the old R and B
Speaker 1: is way harder than some ship the South now. And
Speaker 1: that's what happened to us. It's just because you know now,
Speaker 1: I told him, like, you're back way back when, like
Speaker 1: R and B was the genre that was the hottest,
Speaker 1: had the most artists. Now it's the first. Now it's
Speaker 1: more hip hop artists that's on. Be Like even the
Speaker 1: even the R and B, A lot of it is
Speaker 1: hip hopish, you know what I mean. It's not like
Speaker 1: it's like straight on. But we had like you know,
Speaker 1: mad R and B groups a little bit. You're thinking
Speaker 1: March a mix tape. No, why no, I'm not no,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that people, but the mixtape, I
Speaker 1: would say that could defintely come back. I mean, we
Speaker 1: could revive it from the dead, but right now is
Speaker 1: dead is quiet. I'm not gonna say it's dead. It's
Speaker 1: just that, you know what I mean. Like I said,
Speaker 1: like it's different. People feel like where the tapes? That
Speaker 1: that's what if the mixtape got there EPs the boys.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's not gonna be called it's not.
Speaker 1: There's no just thing. It's concessing no more. They don't
Speaker 1: make no money. No, I'm just saying where the tapes
Speaker 1: that I'm what I'm saying, I'm saying, where's the product?
Speaker 1: Where is it at? Like? Where are these things? No
Speaker 1: matter what medium they're using, where are the mix tape?
Speaker 1: Where are these things that the people are pushing? Uh?
Speaker 1: Fully autonomous? A lot of artists be feeling like they're
Speaker 1: bigger than that. Now they feel like they feel like
Speaker 1: they don't need the mix tape. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Well now they call I think uh me and Gisella.
Speaker 1: We just had me and what's at a couple of meetings.
Speaker 1: Uh a few weeks ago. Um we're gonna do We're
Speaker 1: doing to mix tape? When his new artists he fired too,
Speaker 1: He guys, he got some ship with him. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say no names, but now you can't get an
Speaker 1: exclusive here. That's so crazy, so crazy you're not even
Speaker 1: looking at I mean, I look, if I wanted to
Speaker 1: drop missed it right now, I could because I got
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of songs, like songs in the cans.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you are doing. I don't know
Speaker 1: you got easy bangers. Actually she heard, she heard some
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, you got easy refused to let him fly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he'd just been enjoying them to himself on So like
Speaker 1: you know, the clearing ship man. Sometimes to be a
Speaker 1: headache man, sometimes to be time man, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I plan on putting some records out.
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for a couple of clearances to go through. Man,
Speaker 1: you know, need to be having their own agenda. So
Speaker 1: well cool, we are definitely waiting. You got new hope,
Speaker 1: You got new hope. He don't mean, I don't even
Speaker 1: think he'd be rapping no more like that one. Look
Speaker 1: at how disrespectful we are, all right, all right? Because
Speaker 1: he loves I don't even feel like it. I would
Speaker 1: love to have new clue Hole records all the time.
Speaker 1: It's discussing your favorite rap. Wouldn't say that, jay Z
Speaker 1: would says, all right, so y'all clue, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for stopping by and taking it with no more.
Speaker 1: I think thank god you asked him for a first listen.
Speaker 1: When not doing that, Joe was rapping, Joe was elite
Speaker 1: at rapping. When he was rapping, he was elite at rapping.
Speaker 1: I don't want to rapping no more, like he just
Speaker 1: past I want I don't listen to just stay with it.
Speaker 1: We're on the Black Effect clown podcast network. We're on
Speaker 1: the Black Effect podcast Network podcast network. That kid is
Speaker 1: You're not gonna see him sland him? My man, Joe man,
Speaker 1: we don't have no network. Just what network he got network? Listen,
Speaker 1: just do that. Listen. But I wouldn't let no one
Speaker 1: slan to you what I'm sitting. Nobody slanded it. She's
Speaker 1: had a pretty tomboy network and they know it wasn't
Speaker 1: the network. At the end of the day, you got
Speaker 1: to stop him somewhere. There was no such thing as Tesla,
Speaker 1: was there. No, There wasn't you know what the it
Speaker 1: was until it came out and made all that money.
Speaker 1: I have to do what I understand. You gotta make
Speaker 1: a name, you gotta build it. No, no one knew
Speaker 1: who was playing for that car for years the JV.
Speaker 1: It just when Clue came out, and Clue was just
Speaker 1: a question, That's what it was, a question, mak And
Speaker 1: then when the ship blew, the ship blue and niggas
Speaker 1: you so you're gonna s so you're gonna start your
Speaker 1: podcast on the drill butt nowork I was. I was
Speaker 1: on my podcast on my own network. Okay networks. That's
Speaker 1: always saying, you have networks, you got a brand. Respect
Speaker 1: to all the entrepreneurs, um yool, thank you so much
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Speaker 1: wars Ony fans. Yes, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: was there right now. I just came out. How can
Speaker 1: they say port you? What if you got anything else
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