Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast has traded Greg for a
Speaker 1: conditional third from the Chris west Link podcast studio. It's
Speaker 1: Around the NFL. I'm Dan Jansas, just one hero with me.
Speaker 1: It's Mark Sessler. Listen, in our league, you need to
Speaker 1: make moves in a non sentimental manner, and we thought
Speaker 1: at this time moving away from Gregg was the right
Speaker 1: I think the listeners will ask, did we get value
Speaker 1: because a conditional third for it? Really? Uh? You know
Speaker 1: died in the World Journal who has done a lot
Speaker 1: of great work on our show. I mean, what what
Speaker 1: does a conditional third franchise star? Uh? And we're just
Speaker 1: giving them up for a conditional third. Maybe will be fired. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're in the dead of June quiet period of the NFL,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna just Mark and I were gonna take
Speaker 1: you through everything that's going on. Uh in the league,
Speaker 1: the scant amount of news. Will open up the mailbag
Speaker 1: and just have fun. That's all. That's what we do,
Speaker 1: and it's it comes naturally to us. What's this? What
Speaker 1: do is? That? Is? That? Is that cave Thibodeau's music
Speaker 1: there is get to see it again? Whoa here he
Speaker 1: comes cave On tivod Oh the hat Trick on Around
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast joined US Draft Night the next week,
Speaker 1: and now here we are with Warren g featuring the
Speaker 1: late great Nate Doug Regulate. This is your walk up
Speaker 1: music on the show. How are you? I'm doing well, man,
Speaker 1: it's gonna while. I'm happy to be back, happy to
Speaker 1: be in the NFL. I have to ask you a question.
Speaker 1: Do you remember us? I have to ask your name
Speaker 1: before I walked up, But I do remember. I do remember. Um,
Speaker 1: isn't it? It's Mark? All right? The next level won
Speaker 1: me over. Like in baseball, the players get the walk
Speaker 1: up music and that's cool. I feel like a pass rusher,
Speaker 1: especially after a sack there should be a stop down
Speaker 1: and extended play clock. I know you get, you get
Speaker 1: a celebration, but you were Warren Gy like pumps out
Speaker 1: of the speakers that met Life Stadium. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: we do get like walk up music. Like third downs
Speaker 1: you never hear. You probably don't pay attention, but like
Speaker 1: when third downs come to music, play that's the music
Speaker 1: is really loud. That's the whole you know, especially if
Speaker 1: it's a home game. Come on, how much? And I
Speaker 1: don't know if and we're gonna get into some of
Speaker 1: this as you begin your rookie journey in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Like how different the college game coming from Oregon is
Speaker 1: now they're in our league as it's called like in college?
Speaker 1: Was that like a big conversation point amongst the defensive players,
Speaker 1: like what's the song we choose? Was there a vote
Speaker 1: that they come from upstairs? And guys, it's not really
Speaker 1: a song. I think it's more of like what the
Speaker 1: tradition is at the team, right, you know, because Oregon
Speaker 1: we had like it was the same song every week,
Speaker 1: but you knew it was it was the third down
Speaker 1: song and when it came on, you were high. Is
Speaker 1: it hard to pay attention when like music's blasting and
Speaker 1: you're attempting to like, you know, formulate a play call
Speaker 1: as a group or something. Well, you gotta ask offensive
Speaker 1: players because on defense most of the time when its
Speaker 1: third down, you know the mission? Yeah that so where
Speaker 1: are we at? Came on? So we just got through
Speaker 1: the spring O t A s I do? I should
Speaker 1: ask you as a dog and journal and I should
Speaker 1: check in on your physical status. You were limited or
Speaker 1: pract you were in a red shirt, red jersey working
Speaker 1: with a trainer on the side. I saw a report
Speaker 1: out there that it was a hip issue of where
Speaker 1: we had health wise, anything to be concerned. Fine, now,
Speaker 1: I think you know I did tweak my hip at
Speaker 1: a point at my hip flex or you know, during
Speaker 1: um O t AS. But after a couple of weeks rest,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm back, I'm training full and I'm ready
Speaker 1: to get back for training camp. I like it. That's good.
Speaker 1: So you gotta here first. And if you write your
Speaker 1: little blurbs wherever you write your blurbs site around the NFL,
Speaker 1: there will be sharp to court. Well, that's um. So
Speaker 1: I was thinking, came on, we were thinking about like,
Speaker 1: as you begin this journey, we're much older than you grossly,
Speaker 1: so you were born in the two thousands, I imagine.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I mean I'm twice your age plus a
Speaker 1: few years. That's concerning. Right, You guys are on the
Speaker 1: way out. It's no longer our world. But we have
Speaker 1: seen a thing or two, so I thought it'd be
Speaker 1: good to have a conversation. We call this segment with
Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeau the third time on the Around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 1: No your league, Okay, we know the NFL. We've covered it.
Speaker 1: This podcast has been going on since two thousand thirteen.
Speaker 1: Cavan hadn't he even had his bar mits. But yet
Speaker 1: at that point he was a young thirteen year old boy. Um,
Speaker 1: but now I still haven't had one, still waiting. So
Speaker 1: let's go over a couple of things. Just curious if
Speaker 1: you know about it, if this is something you've already
Speaker 1: come across. Let's start with the idea of now, hazing
Speaker 1: is a bit of a dirty word, now, Uh. In
Speaker 1: the NFL, we had, of course, that Richie Incognito scandal
Speaker 1: with Jonathan Martin years ago, but it still goes on.
Speaker 1: And one thing that really stands out, Kabin, I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you about this, there was there's a podcast.
Speaker 1: Fellow New York first round pick Garrett Wilson, wide receiver
Speaker 1: of the Jets, was on another podcast, probably inferior to
Speaker 1: this one, but I'm sure good if they got Garrett
Speaker 1: um and they talked about rookies having to pay for dinners.
Speaker 1: Fred Taylor, former great running back of the Jaguars and
Speaker 1: other teams, Uh, said to Garrett Wilson, you know they're
Speaker 1: gonna run that bill up to like seventy five dollars
Speaker 1: that rookies had to pay for meals rookie year, and
Speaker 1: Wilson said he didn't buy it. Ryan Clark, another great
Speaker 1: former player, said, you're the tenth pick of the draft.
Speaker 1: They know you've got they got the money. Channing Crowder
Speaker 1: then said he thinks it's his decision. Are you concerned
Speaker 1: that you're gonna be hit with that? No, I'm not concerned.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a guy who I'll definitely take care
Speaker 1: of my guys and de line room. But as far
Speaker 1: as doing things that I don't want to do, I've
Speaker 1: never done it. I've all he's been a leader, not
Speaker 1: a follower. So we set new standards, all right. So
Speaker 1: let me let me give you a hypothetical from that
Speaker 1: same interview. Fred Taylor, later his career, played with the
Speaker 1: Patriots briefly, and he said Tom tom Brady would come
Speaker 1: in there and buy three or four or five thousand
Speaker 1: dollar bottle of line whine, take a sip and say
Speaker 1: good night. What if it's now? We know there's no
Speaker 1: Tom Brady figure involved with the Giants right now, at
Speaker 1: least not yet. I mean, even if there was, I
Speaker 1: don't think i'd stand up Tom Brady wouldn't take a
Speaker 1: ship and walk out on me. He'd be there. He'd
Speaker 1: be there a whole night. Uh. If he did walk out,
Speaker 1: I'll finish that bottle the wine. What do you think
Speaker 1: about this? Uh? Years ago, Ryan Leaf, Chargers quarterback, he
Speaker 1: was the second round pick the year Peyton Man and
Speaker 1: came into the league. He had to pick up a tab.
Speaker 1: He told management about it, and then Junior say how
Speaker 1: wiped him out following an interception in practice? Like, is
Speaker 1: there this code behind the scenes that you would then
Speaker 1: have to worry about if you were to turn down
Speaker 1: such a demand from your teammates? Um? I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess it just depends on who you are. UM. I
Speaker 1: feel like I've gained a lot of respect from the
Speaker 1: guys around me, and I showed respect to a lot
Speaker 1: of guys around me. So I don't think I'd ever
Speaker 1: have to worry about my physical health. But then again,
Speaker 1: I also wouldn't do anything now I wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: do so pure pressure is not a thing for me.
Speaker 1: I've got one for you. Uh. You know you remember
Speaker 1: Tim Tebow obviously back when he was a rookie with
Speaker 1: the Broncos. And for our audio listeners, We're going to
Speaker 1: show a picture here. We can get that up on
Speaker 1: this video. Yeah, so this was this is if you
Speaker 1: this was the haircut they gave Tim Tebow, and I
Speaker 1: guess I would describe it as, um, they shaved around,
Speaker 1: uh you know, the shade the top of his head,
Speaker 1: so he looks sort of like a friar from the
Speaker 1: Middle Ages. Would you accept that haircut? If? If I
Speaker 1: think I know the answer based on the first question, well,
Speaker 1: how would you if a veteran said this is this
Speaker 1: is part of your rite of passage? How would you
Speaker 1: deal with that demand? I would come through a different door.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't need to go to that. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's things for me. I show a lot of
Speaker 1: respect to doing extra work. So if they say you're
Speaker 1: a rookie, you gotta run five more, your ricky, gotta
Speaker 1: show up earlier, you're a rookie, gotta you know, carry
Speaker 1: some paths or something like that, that's respect. But as
Speaker 1: far as like, yeah, I think he might look good
Speaker 1: with that haircut, though, I'm just saying you get it
Speaker 1: first and I'll just follow. You'll go together, all right,
Speaker 1: Let's go over some fan bases again. This is no
Speaker 1: your league. We've been around the block. It's forties, so
Speaker 1: we you know there are negatives, but there are some positives.
Speaker 1: We know about these fan bases on a deep level.
Speaker 1: So we'll start with these and tell me if you
Speaker 1: were aware of this or how plugged in you are
Speaker 1: as a new as a new face of the New
Speaker 1: York Giants. Some heads up, the Patriots fans, they're very
Speaker 1: sensitive about the New York Giants because forty two and
Speaker 1: forty seven, the two Super Bowls or um. Just something
Speaker 1: if you didn't know to be aware of, if you
Speaker 1: wanted to ever drop that in Pepper that in next
Speaker 1: time you guys have a match them for sure. He's
Speaker 1: factored it in. How Eagles fans. You know about the
Speaker 1: Eagles fans. They're fans of the Eagles, red eyes, small hands,
Speaker 1: known to bite, very moody, very moody fan base. You
Speaker 1: guys listen to the fans, do we? We are? I
Speaker 1: mean we are in some level. You guys are the fans?
Speaker 1: Get now you got to the liaison. Now it's making sense.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you know I could care less? Right like,
Speaker 1: they hate the Eagles fans hate when you bring up
Speaker 1: the fact that they once pelt at Santa Claus with snowballs.
Speaker 1: You know, you know how much you could really set
Speaker 1: a fan base off. You just whoop them, you just
Speaker 1: beat them. I see it, you win the game. There's none.
Speaker 1: There's really none. I like to go into stadiums and
Speaker 1: I like them to be quiet. I like graveyards. You know,
Speaker 1: we got to graveyards. You get a piece of mind.
Speaker 1: So we're leaving midway through the fourth quarter. That's the
Speaker 1: good stuff me. I tell him to come back. It's
Speaker 1: not over. Come back, come back, leave it, take more punishment.
Speaker 1: The show is just go. Do you know that Bills
Speaker 1: fans when you play the I don't know the Bills
Speaker 1: on the schedule, the Giants this year, I don't know,
Speaker 1: But eventually there will be Bills fans will want you
Speaker 1: to know that they're the only team technically that plays
Speaker 1: in New York. They're going to try to give that
Speaker 1: to you. Is like a singer. Does that bother you
Speaker 1: at all? I hope you didn't come up with that one. No, No, listen,
Speaker 1: it's their Jets fans like they try to bring that
Speaker 1: at me. I gotta get some old school fans that
Speaker 1: say more hurtful stuff. Or something that's that's like, oh man,
Speaker 1: you said, you said something came on the first time
Speaker 1: we ever spoke. You said one of your goals when
Speaker 1: you have conversations with people, you know, something like this.
Speaker 1: You want that you want to leave having made an
Speaker 1: impression and make people feel like they know you know
Speaker 1: what you're about. I'd like you to if you could
Speaker 1: try to know what Marks about by the end of
Speaker 1: this brief conversation we're having and if you're okay, Mark
Speaker 1: had just a couple of questions for you that I
Speaker 1: haven't seen yet. I don't know anything about. Sure. I
Speaker 1: would ask you this because you know the New York giants.
Speaker 1: UM from an earth angle, historical angle going way back,
Speaker 1: do you believe that actual giants roam the earth? Um,
Speaker 1: that's a good question, that's a great question. Um. I
Speaker 1: mean factor fiction. I mean that's you know, it's possible.
Speaker 1: Nothing's nothing's impossible. Physical job help's all we're talking. I
Speaker 1: think probably a story. There's actually a story in the
Speaker 1: Bible that talks about that. So I couldn't. I couldn't
Speaker 1: say that it's not they're mentioned, they're mentioned. I'm talking
Speaker 1: like sixteen seventeen feet tall, but very just a different
Speaker 1: you know, species. So there's this there's this crazy thing
Speaker 1: I watched just like the mountains. They're like mountain ranges
Speaker 1: and different like crazy things that are like these, like
Speaker 1: you say, these giants were too big to be buried,
Speaker 1: so they've basically what encrusted into the mountain ranges. So
Speaker 1: like you could if there's a video, you could look
Speaker 1: up where it's like mountains are shaped like humans or
Speaker 1: shaped like some type of figure. So it's possible. I
Speaker 1: think it is. The earth is very weird. How about
Speaker 1: this um? You know, you us gotten to know Brian Table,
Speaker 1: your your new coach. Would you just instinctly do you
Speaker 1: think he's more of a front spoon or a backspoon
Speaker 1: when he is spooning someone. I don't answer those type
Speaker 1: of questions. That's a tough one. I think that was
Speaker 1: all right. Forget that want to bail next? All right,
Speaker 1: let's see how about this um, Dan and Mark before
Speaker 1: you before you go, let's not ask any more personal
Speaker 1: questions about any other man. Ask a question about the
Speaker 1: two of us. No, No, It's like let's say Dan
Speaker 1: and I were to appear in front of you in
Speaker 1: wrestling tights and attempt to wrestle you could you So,
Speaker 1: what's the newest thing's kind of going on in NFL? Anything?
Speaker 1: All right? Good? You know what The answer is nothing.
Speaker 1: It's June seven right now. Um, but you know that's
Speaker 1: all good. So we're gonna hear. Let's wrap it up.
Speaker 1: This is where we're at. You ready, any other questions
Speaker 1: you have? I think I'm going to ask some of
Speaker 1: my other questions at this point. It's yeah, this is
Speaker 1: so we're gonna be I've heard you guys up for extensions.
Speaker 1: How's that going? Has been negotiating? Look at that, we're negotiations.
Speaker 1: We got the deal done. You signed your rookie deal
Speaker 1: as well, right, yeah, I mean, but I'm worried about yours.
Speaker 1: I heard you guys. Are you guys getting some big
Speaker 1: money coming up? You guys have been doing doing numbers
Speaker 1: in around the NFL. I'm beginning to be worried too.
Speaker 1: We're doing Yeah, we did, we did. I think we
Speaker 1: got a deal. I don't think it's in the territory
Speaker 1: of a top ten pick in the NFL. But but
Speaker 1: there's gossips that they can only keep one of you.
Speaker 1: So my question is, where's like, you know, are you
Speaker 1: guys both going to leave or somebody's just gonna We
Speaker 1: typically have a third and we've kicked him off. He's
Speaker 1: processes of elimination. By the end of today's episode, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have some shadowy league figure from upstairs come and
Speaker 1: make a decision. Yeah. I don't think you will actually
Speaker 1: see him. I think he's just you know, it will
Speaker 1: be phantom. It's like that Joe Pesci and good Fellas.
Speaker 1: When you get back to your office, I think you'll
Speaker 1: just have You won't see your name tag anymore. They'll
Speaker 1: just it'll be blanking. You'll know more than we do.
Speaker 1: Thank you, buddy for coming on. We appreciate it. What
Speaker 1: you got going on the rest of this summer during
Speaker 1: your breakcre just training, you know, I meaning a lot
Speaker 1: of different people, you know, making sure that I'm ready
Speaker 1: to go back being in you know, full health and
Speaker 1: full shape. Um. But yeah, enjoying the Calli's son until
Speaker 1: I get back and got to enjoy that that real
Speaker 1: New York key, you know. Yeah, I've it's the humidity
Speaker 1: that gets you. As a native New Yorker, I could
Speaker 1: say that Cavan. Thank you buddy, and uh, good luck.
Speaker 1: Can't wait to watch the ball. Yeah, but you know
Speaker 1: those are you You're very insightful. I just think, you know,
Speaker 1: personal information shouldn't be here, you know, Yeah, the the
Speaker 1: spoons stuff with his head coach, that's I point taking.
Speaker 1: It's just a question hardboard box out for you after
Speaker 1: that time. I was just simply curious about that on
Speaker 1: my own. But I but I understand why you would
Speaker 1: not want to answer that, you know. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's fair. You know, I think you only got like
Speaker 1: two more shaky's and you might be on a different podcast.
Speaker 1: Two more shaky's for Mark sel all right, came on,
Speaker 1: Thank you buddy, appreciate you guys. Alright, Mark, we were
Speaker 1: making the quest towards friendship with Cavon Thibodeaux. Where do
Speaker 1: you think we stand after that conversation. I think we
Speaker 1: got friend zoned to some degree and not in the
Speaker 1: way that we were angling for. Um, you know we
Speaker 1: are our show has a certain flavor to it, and uh,
Speaker 1: I thought we pursued that flavor to some degree. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would not call at a home
Speaker 1: run out of the park. In terms of his enjoyment
Speaker 1: of the of the event, it was. It was fine.
Speaker 1: I thought overall I did. I knew we were in
Speaker 1: for an interesting fifteen minutes when before we started, Cavan,
Speaker 1: you know, he's curious what we were gonna be talking about.
Speaker 1: And then he looked at your computer screen and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, my goodness, if he sees the madness
Speaker 1: of a Mark Sessler question before we start, And sure enough,
Speaker 1: you know he wasn't into all the questions. I would
Speaker 1: say that came out of the mind of Mark Sesler.
Speaker 1: Is it so wrong that I actually, when I think
Speaker 1: of certain individuals like a Brian day Ball, there are
Speaker 1: moments I'm sure with his significant other or whoever, it's
Speaker 1: it's fine with anyone that he has spooned, And I'm
Speaker 1: curious as to which position, uh he would prefer. Not
Speaker 1: every man is a is a back. I would just
Speaker 1: I would just I would say, maybe there is a
Speaker 1: teachable moment in there. I imagine there is in an
Speaker 1: going quest to be a great interviewer at allah a
Speaker 1: Barbara Walters with the soft focused and eight that type
Speaker 1: of situation that maybe a lot of these guys don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about, like spooning and the head coach,
Speaker 1: especially rookies coming into the league, that you know it
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense here. I was out of place potentially,
Speaker 1: and I think the follow up asking about you and
Speaker 1: I and Tights taking him on in a grappling match
Speaker 1: probably was not the direction to go. And I how
Speaker 1: do you how do you think that went? One out
Speaker 1: of ten? Three? Excuse me, grape digger. Three. Well we
Speaker 1: got some good stuff about about paying for dinner or whatever. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: real nugget, all right, but we survived. I think so far,
Speaker 1: so far, it put us ill at ease. I think
Speaker 1: you and I had a couple of shared a couple
Speaker 1: of looks during the whole process. You know, it's like,
Speaker 1: can someone come out of the wilderness and shoot me? Now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not. We're gonna be all right. And we still
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up on the quest to be friends
Speaker 1: with Cabon. I think we took a step back. I
Speaker 1: would say, you know, friendship has those ebb and flow moments,
Speaker 1: and so you know we have to be resilient um
Speaker 1: and seek his friendship and potentially a different way. All right,
Speaker 1: let's hit uh, let's hit a break and then do
Speaker 1: the news. But you do want a beer from don't?
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it. Let's hey, Mark Seler,
Speaker 1: let's spin Okay, I don't like that approach. That's that's
Speaker 1: but yes we shall that's not a bad podcast idea
Speaker 1: spin forward with Kotler. I don't like that. I don't
Speaker 1: like the get like sixty eight tweets about that. Over
Speaker 1: the next seventy two hours. Let's start, as we must
Speaker 1: in this year, Deshaun Watson. Let's check in on his situation.
Speaker 1: We'll start with the reporting that came out over the
Speaker 1: weekend the Wall Street Journals Andrew Beaton reports that the
Speaker 1: NFL will push for a indefinite suspension that would last
Speaker 1: no shorter than one year for Watson, um who has
Speaker 1: been taking part in the Browns offseason program. I think
Speaker 1: Cleveland brass which in general is laying low with this
Speaker 1: mark and hoping you can imagine and assume that they're
Speaker 1: gonna have Watson in some form on the field this season.
Speaker 1: But according to this reporting, the NFL is making a
Speaker 1: hard push to keep him off the field for at
Speaker 1: least one year, and indefinite suspension would uh potentially take
Speaker 1: him off the field for more than the season. And
Speaker 1: of course, he missed all one when everything was unfurling
Speaker 1: around him the legal situation, and then we also got
Speaker 1: an update UM about the lawsuit and the ongoing litigation
Speaker 1: involving the Watson. Involving Watson, the Houston Texans were formally
Speaker 1: named as defendants on Monday and the ongoing civil litigation
Speaker 1: involving their former quarterback. UH. This from UH Tony Busby,
Speaker 1: the Houston attorney who at one time represented twenty five
Speaker 1: different women with lawsuits against Watson. Many of them have
Speaker 1: been settled now, but there are still ongoing lawsuits. Today
Speaker 1: we filed the first case of what will likely be
Speaker 1: many against the Houston Texans related to Deshaun Watson's behavior.
Speaker 1: Buzby said, right, and that you know there are details
Speaker 1: inside the lawsuit against the Texans, UM that I that
Speaker 1: particularly someone I find disturbing. UH. The Cleveland Browns kept
Speaker 1: saying over and over, we were competent with the homework
Speaker 1: that we did before we engaged with the Shawn Watson
Speaker 1: and made him the richest player in the entire league.
Speaker 1: But there's a quote inside this lawsuit that says, despite
Speaker 1: claims that it did extensive due diligence, not one question
Speaker 1: was asked by Watson's new employer. The Browns of the
Speaker 1: victims about Watson's alleged behavior. No effort was made to
Speaker 1: obtain the police file or speak to the investigating offers.
Speaker 1: It's a terrible look for the Cleveland Browns because everything
Speaker 1: they've told us not a surprise, sounds like an utter
Speaker 1: lie at this point, and they're in a disastrous situation.
Speaker 1: If Watson is suspended for a year plus, he's gonna
Speaker 1: his hearing will take place in front of Sue L. Robinson.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a little bit different than some of
Speaker 1: these UH hearings in the past, where would be a
Speaker 1: Goodell's decision alone. And I mean, it's notable that the
Speaker 1: NFL p A is going to defend Watson to some
Speaker 1: degree from a any suspension deems inappropriate or excessive, so
Speaker 1: he's there is another side to this, But I it
Speaker 1: just feels to me like the NFL and all the
Speaker 1: reportings suggests are pushing to get him out of the
Speaker 1: mix for this entire season and completely reset the board
Speaker 1: for next year. And it could be longer than that too,
Speaker 1: And I think that's all we know about this case.
Speaker 1: It should be a year long suspension in my opinion,
Speaker 1: and the process has obviously kind of drawn dragged out
Speaker 1: over the course of You remember there was report last
Speaker 1: month that the NFL wanted to have UH this situation
Speaker 1: figured out in terms of potential suspension in June, and
Speaker 1: here we are now in very late June. So we'll
Speaker 1: see what comes out of this UM meeting, UH, with
Speaker 1: this hearing with Sue L. Robinson, So the Watson situation ongoing,
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens next. In other news, God, the
Speaker 1: Browns got themselves in a whole what a mess. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, if if you think where they
Speaker 1: were last offseason, where they had come off a playoff
Speaker 1: victory over the Pittsburgh's Dealers, you thought that you were
Speaker 1: getting the better version of Baker Mayfield. You're the coach
Speaker 1: of the year, and I think that coach of the
Speaker 1: Year Kevin Stefanski quietly has to be beyond beyond, absolutely
Speaker 1: incensed with what's gone down here because he's been put
Speaker 1: up in a terrible position. Jacoby Brissette potentially could be
Speaker 1: starting seventeen games for a team that looks like they'll
Speaker 1: be the worst team in the a f C North
Speaker 1: that that's the case. UH. In other news, Pro Football Talks,
Speaker 1: Mike Florio reports that Saints running back Alan Kamara is
Speaker 1: bracing for a suspension of at least six games. You
Speaker 1: will remember that Kamara um is facing felony battery charges
Speaker 1: for allegedly throwing punches Um at an incident in Las Vegas. Uh.
Speaker 1: We'll see what this means for the Saints. But I
Speaker 1: think this is something that UM caught me a little
Speaker 1: bit by surprise. I remember when the news came out
Speaker 1: and there was some video, uh tape evidence of what
Speaker 1: had happened Um. And now here we are in a
Speaker 1: situation where you can miss a substantial part of the
Speaker 1: season for a Saints team that depending how you look
Speaker 1: at the you could see them as a real NFC player,
Speaker 1: losing your best player for that amount of time potential,
Speaker 1: even if it got appealed down to four games, that's substantial. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think what's part of it is the timing
Speaker 1: of it, because Florio noted that, you know, the the
Speaker 1: NFL may wait until the legal process on this one
Speaker 1: plays out, but maybe it could be later in the season.
Speaker 1: But I think you know, in that offense, which has
Speaker 1: obviously improved its wide receiver group, but Jamis Winston, you
Speaker 1: know it depends what version of Jamis Winston you get.
Speaker 1: But losing Kamara is not unlike losing a Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 1: in Caroline. I mean, it's that important to me. And And
Speaker 1: I think it's probably also taking fantasy heads and having
Speaker 1: their heads explode because I don't know what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: with them. Yeah, no, that's a good call. Hey, look
Speaker 1: at you with the fantasy analysis there, Mark, that's a
Speaker 1: great pim zoned in on when they're agitated about things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he it makes him either somebody that you you're gonna drop,
Speaker 1: take off your board entirely. Yeah, it's all over the map.
Speaker 1: But we need to see where that you stash him. Well,
Speaker 1: it depends what kind of draft people were scared off him.
Speaker 1: You grab him at a at a value zone and
Speaker 1: then he's only out for four games or to six games.
Speaker 1: Well that's a great, Mark, Thank you. Alright, time for
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Speaker 1: build the team that will build your business. Learn more
Speaker 1: at upwork dot com. This is just kind of moving
Speaker 1: the timeline of the story along, so I'll just pass
Speaker 1: it along here, Mark, and interested in your thoughts. Quarterback
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo. His timetable for throwing remains on schedule after
Speaker 1: offseason's shoulder surgery. That from ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, the expectation
Speaker 1: has been that Garoppolo had the right shoulder surgery in March,
Speaker 1: will throw over the next few weeks after he's been cleared,
Speaker 1: and that plan remains in place. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: a story, non story, update, non update. But I imagine
Speaker 1: there are certain people Jimmy Garoppolo and his agent for starters,
Speaker 1: the Niners are probably cool at this getting this information
Speaker 1: out here. Hey, he's okay, everything on schedule, he's he's
Speaker 1: ready to start throwing. He'll be your quarterback if you
Speaker 1: want him in September. And yet there's zero whisper at
Speaker 1: all about their being a market for Jimmy Garoppolo. I
Speaker 1: think it's a problematic scenario. I mean, you'd have to
Speaker 1: look at like, in theory, the Panthers could be interested,
Speaker 1: but there's a Baker Mayfield situation, and you're not trading
Speaker 1: them to the Seattle Seahawks. And so what team out
Speaker 1: there wants to sign Jimmy Garoppolo for twenty six or
Speaker 1: twenty four plus million? But then you have them come
Speaker 1: in maybe five or six weeks before you're before you're
Speaker 1: playing actual regular season games and acclimating him as a
Speaker 1: starting quarterback. It feels like a tough set, would you
Speaker 1: so you rule out any chance that they would deal
Speaker 1: within the division. I don't rule it out depending on
Speaker 1: what they could get in return, because I feel like
Speaker 1: that would take precedence if they could get the best
Speaker 1: deal from Seattle. Not to say that this is something
Speaker 1: it probably isn't really reality. They don't want to put
Speaker 1: trade him within the division. But also I don't get
Speaker 1: the feeling that Kyle Shanahan and is necessarily thinking that
Speaker 1: Garoppolo is a difference maker, hence why they're looking to
Speaker 1: trade him in the in the first place. So maybe
Speaker 1: that would almost be the best place to trade him
Speaker 1: when you want to look at depending on your perspective
Speaker 1: on this. I mean, Shanahan seems so loyal to Jimmy
Speaker 1: G two and like he's hung around much longer than
Speaker 1: people thought, and you know, started the entire season last year,
Speaker 1: and in reverse, I don't sense immense confidence in Trey Lance.
Speaker 1: It just seems like a little bit of a strange situation.
Speaker 1: But this is the thing like the whole market changes
Speaker 1: for Baker Mayfield, for Jimmy g When we get to
Speaker 1: camp and in two starting quarterbacks have their knees wrecked
Speaker 1: or something, that that's when the trade market goes crazy
Speaker 1: and you'd have a situation like when Sam Bradford got
Speaker 1: moved for like a first rounder, because the need suddenly
Speaker 1: changes that there's no need for Jimmy Garoppolo right now.
Speaker 1: Trey Lance has worked with the forty niners um first
Speaker 1: team offense during the off season, while Garoppolo has spent
Speaker 1: his offseason rehabbing here in Southern California. So Niners look
Speaker 1: like a team ready to move on, but they first
Speaker 1: need to be able to move there from your current
Speaker 1: quarterback or starting quarterback. So we'll see where that goes.
Speaker 1: All right, finally in the news, all right, Mark, here
Speaker 1: we are a little uh the boxing, the the NFL
Speaker 1: players boxing. Where did you come down on the NFL
Speaker 1: players boxing, I mean boxing, whatever it is. I've never
Speaker 1: made the effort to go watch one of these fights.
Speaker 1: I think that's indicative of my interests. Fair enough, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just gonna pass this one along as well. Then,
Speaker 1: But that there's a matchup in the works between two
Speaker 1: of the great running backs of the past, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty years or at least it's at certain points in
Speaker 1: their career, Adrian Peterson and Levan Bell squaring off. Who
Speaker 1: do you got? I'll tell you I got Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 1: You ever shake hands with that man? His his hands
Speaker 1: NFL Honors. It was the year you stepped on Ryan
Speaker 1: Tannehill's wife's purse, Lauren Tannehill's white like white leather. Purson
Speaker 1: heard something crack and specially heard something crack, and we
Speaker 1: just kind of shuffled away quietly. Sorry, grave digger. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was on the Donalds at the time. If it
Speaker 1: makes you feel better. Um, I shook his hand and
Speaker 1: he nearly broke every bone I have in my right hand.
Speaker 1: So I imagine he's a freight train when he put
Speaker 1: the gloves on and Levy on Bell. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't have much feelings positive um on his athletic ability,
Speaker 1: whether whatever the sport at this point. Yeah, I put
Speaker 1: my my least car in our rental home. Um up
Speaker 1: forbid on the fact that Adrian Peterson takes this. I mean,
Speaker 1: who do you trust that Levian Bell is even training adequately?
Speaker 1: Based on just the experience in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's you know, Adrian Peterson's ready.
Speaker 1: That guy would love to get back in the league.
Speaker 1: But he did not. Did he play last season? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I apologize. Had a few he had a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: He he scored a touchdown against the Rams at Sofi Stadium,
Speaker 1: a moment and there was a whole news story about
Speaker 1: Adrian's handshake when the Titans signed him. So I think
Speaker 1: that it was like a thing that he had you
Speaker 1: with us, that he would take this this bat. And
Speaker 1: that was News and Notes presented by up work, the
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Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. We'll be right back,
Speaker 1: all right, buddy, UH mail back when in doubt, just
Speaker 1: go break glass and get the listeners Uh involved with
Speaker 1: the program, and I'll just be completely honest. Mark, Sometimes
Speaker 1: I send out the bat signal for the mail bag.
Speaker 1: I don't get what I'm looking for. This time, the
Speaker 1: listeners stepped up some good questions and I'm going to
Speaker 1: share them right now here on around the other. Good
Speaker 1: job by them, I do agree. There's been times when
Speaker 1: the mailbag had very little offer. I hope this is different.
Speaker 1: All right, let's hit it. You've got mail. Wasn't it
Speaker 1: so great when you would for you know, people came
Speaker 1: of age in the nineties, when you heard that you
Speaker 1: got mail. I was like, oh, yes, someone wants to
Speaker 1: connect with me. It would it would um speed up
Speaker 1: your pulse. It's not unlike when you're you know, writing
Speaker 1: people online today and you can see that they're like
Speaker 1: typing and you know that something's coming, and it's just
Speaker 1: like this is this is exciting for me. Grave Digger too,
Speaker 1: I can see the look in the I don't know
Speaker 1: if he was around for the A O L. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about today's technically the internet dot dot dot yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, especially if it's you know, a certain individual.
Speaker 1: Well who what who would that be? For you? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Graver? Oh? I see, yes, absolutely. Do
Speaker 1: you guys communicate online often? Grave Digger? Oh? Are we
Speaker 1: text like normal people? Okay? Did she ever leave you
Speaker 1: hanging on red? Never? Now we both have read receipts
Speaker 1: turned off, so I actually wouldn't even know if she did.
Speaker 1: I like that strategy. Do you have your tart off? Yes?
Speaker 1: You have your red receipt turned off? Does everybody do that?
Speaker 1: I'd like to keep it transparent. Yeah, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 1: I know Erica talked about this on Split Ends, but
Speaker 1: she does it to like psychologically manipulate the people she's texting. Shocker, oh,
Speaker 1: ricky Hollywood. I wonder how she's doing. I actually did
Speaker 1: text with her little bit yesterday. She seemed to be
Speaker 1: in good spirits already her and then she asked me
Speaker 1: a question that I never responded to. So I'm turning
Speaker 1: the tables there to speak psychological how you do it? All? Right?
Speaker 1: Here we go, let's get into it. Mail bag time.
Speaker 1: Let's start right here. Let's see. Oh, this is kind
Speaker 1: of to both of us from Kevin Rodgers. Would it
Speaker 1: be depressing or intriguing for YouTube to watch Sam Donald
Speaker 1: and Baker Mayfield battle for the Panthers QB job, given
Speaker 1: that your Browns and Jets wants picked them to lead
Speaker 1: those teams. Sam Donald, I would say, it's ironic if
Speaker 1: that's what ends up happening. Yeah, I kind of find it,
Speaker 1: and it would be intriguing actually, And it's the journey
Speaker 1: of those two has already been so depressing that um,
Speaker 1: it just comes full circle to where they're battling each other.
Speaker 1: I think that would be one of the more intriguing
Speaker 1: August plotlines. Sure, and I you know a couple of things.
Speaker 1: And I posted it a few months back before the draft.
Speaker 1: The shot of us at the Cozy Inn in Culver
Speaker 1: City toasting to a new era of Jets and Brown's
Speaker 1: football on Draft night in two thousand and eighteen. Um
Speaker 1: kind of sad in retrospect, we were so overconfident to
Speaker 1: such fool and clowns, such fools. And then there is
Speaker 1: the other take, which is a deeply unpopular take, both
Speaker 1: on this podcast and elsewhere. I still believe on some
Speaker 1: level that Sam Donald could thrive or at least be
Speaker 1: Baker let Mayfield good. Baker Mayfield with the Browns proficient
Speaker 1: in the right set up. And I think Baker could
Speaker 1: look as bad as Donald did if he was with
Speaker 1: the Jets and Panthers. I still think Donald could win
Speaker 1: that debate, as sad as that debate has now become.
Speaker 1: I appreciate your faith, but I until proven otherwise, I
Speaker 1: think that of Donald Morris at bottom five quarterback, well,
Speaker 1: I apologize it's not my quarterback anymore. Uh, this is
Speaker 1: a tough one from Mike Atkins mark, what's one NFL
Speaker 1: storyline this summer no one is talking about but should
Speaker 1: be headline news. My feeling on this is that that's
Speaker 1: really not how the NFL works anymore. Uh, that everything
Speaker 1: gets I sected, And if there was a story that
Speaker 1: was a big enough story, it probably has been discussed.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if anybody has anything. Is there
Speaker 1: a starting quarterback coming off shoulder surgery outside of Garoppolo
Speaker 1: or some type of serious rehab that's kind of going
Speaker 1: under the radar. I don't I'm with you. I feel
Speaker 1: like the news cycle is so exhaustive and and we
Speaker 1: even on this show. I think occasionally hitting news topics
Speaker 1: if we're light that really maybe wouldn't make it in
Speaker 1: a in a busier time. Today could be an example
Speaker 1: of that. So I I don't think that there's mystery
Speaker 1: storylines out there that that that fascinate me. Anything Gray
Speaker 1: jumps to mind for you. I think we got it
Speaker 1: covered basically. Maybe it's just a kind of a humble
Speaker 1: bragg in a way got it. Like everything that I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think of, we've at least covered on this
Speaker 1: show specifically, So I can't even you know, like maybe
Speaker 1: the Bill's offensive coordinator situation is a bigger deal than
Speaker 1: we thought. Like I just know for personal experience, the
Speaker 1: Titans change offensive. Cordy art Smith went and got the
Speaker 1: Falcons head coaching job, and everyone in Tennessee was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: we're going to run the same offense. We're promoting from within,
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be fine. And then the offense was
Speaker 1: a disaster for most of the year. I worry about
Speaker 1: that for the Bills, but we talked about that, like
Speaker 1: with Kyle Brant, we talked about that, so well, you know,
Speaker 1: that's a That's a good point though, because that it
Speaker 1: has been covered because The Athletic just did a huge
Speaker 1: feature on that. It was it was last week. But
Speaker 1: in it Kevin Gilbride who talked about the first year
Speaker 1: that he called plays for the the Oilers back then
Speaker 1: that you know, behind the scenes, he was panicking on
Speaker 1: a week two week basis because he had never called
Speaker 1: plays at that moment. And he talked about, like years later,
Speaker 1: like your toolbox or your acumen and your ability in
Speaker 1: a panic situation, and it's this type two minute drill
Speaker 1: to use more of your playbook came naturally, but in
Speaker 1: that first season it was a huge mess. And Ken
Speaker 1: Dorsey has never done this, and Brian Table had years
Speaker 1: and years of experience. So I think that's a fair one.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. Steve Olvera asks if you
Speaker 1: could change one play in NFL history and create a
Speaker 1: butterfly effect that would alter the current NFL landscape for
Speaker 1: all eternity. What play would you change? You know what?
Speaker 1: This one? It kind of popped into my head pretty quickly. UM,
Speaker 1: I would go back to I believe it was January nine, three,
Speaker 1: maybe January two, and the Bo Jackson hip injury he
Speaker 1: suffered in the playoffs UH that year with the Oakland Raiders.
Speaker 1: Um Bo Jackson to this January thirteenth against the Bengals,
Speaker 1: UH in the divisional playoffs suffered a he was tackled,
Speaker 1: He kind of was the tackler grabbed his leg. Uh.
Speaker 1: Bo Jackson lunged and it led to a terrible hip
Speaker 1: injury that eventually fractured and dislocated hip. He had to
Speaker 1: have the hip replace. It instantly ended his NFL career.
Speaker 1: He came back eventually. UH. In baseball, the first you know,
Speaker 1: a huge two sports star bow was but was never
Speaker 1: close to the same guy. Uh And I to this,
Speaker 1: to this point in my life, I still don't think
Speaker 1: there was a more exciting you're paying athlete then Peak
Speaker 1: Bo Jackson and what he was able to do in
Speaker 1: two sports as an All Star. Uh So that injury
Speaker 1: as cruel as it was, I think he was seven
Speaker 1: years old. That would be my pick. Remember watching that game.
Speaker 1: That's a great call. I mean, that's that completely changed
Speaker 1: the NFL because he was one of the most electrifying,
Speaker 1: jaw dropping athletes of our time. I'd have to go.
Speaker 1: I'd be disingenuous if I didn't, and I won't spend
Speaker 1: a ton of time on this. Ernest Biner's fumble on
Speaker 1: January sev in the second a f C Championship against
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos, where they lost that game thirty eight
Speaker 1: to thirty three. They were down twenty one three at
Speaker 1: half um in Mile High. They had played their worst
Speaker 1: half of football the entire season, and then came storming
Speaker 1: back to make it one of the best games of
Speaker 1: all time. And they wouldn't have gotten there to begin
Speaker 1: with without Ernest Biner, who was the kind of running
Speaker 1: back who was such a weapon out of the backfield
Speaker 1: as a past receiver as well, that he fits so
Speaker 1: well into that office and did everything for them. Kevin
Speaker 1: Mack was sick in that game, so it was all
Speaker 1: on Ernest Biner to basically handle the comeback from the
Speaker 1: backfield position, and he was glorious and he had a
Speaker 1: couple of plays that I think would have changed the
Speaker 1: way that we think about him entirely, because I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's a Hall of Famer, but Ernest Biner's fumble
Speaker 1: is the only thing most people know about him and
Speaker 1: he and he went on to win a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: title with Washington where he was an incredible He had
Speaker 1: an incredible serion had that moment. I'm so glad he did,
Speaker 1: and like you know, I met him in person. He
Speaker 1: is a genuinely wonderful guy who I think learned and
Speaker 1: taught other people about failure through that fumble and everything
Speaker 1: that happened. But I do think had they won that game, um,
Speaker 1: you know, they went on to the Denver went on
Speaker 1: to lose to Washington in a wipe out a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks later. I think Cleveland could have given them
Speaker 1: a much better fight. And I was in seventh grade
Speaker 1: and it destroyed my world. I was walking around middle
Speaker 1: school like a ghost for like the next two months. Sports.
Speaker 1: I've had moments like that myself. And you know exactly
Speaker 1: where you were when the heartbreak get you. Uh the
Speaker 1: old Barcels quote that he had to walk away when
Speaker 1: the losing hurt more than the winning felt good. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like the sports fan experience, like even when
Speaker 1: the great things have happened, um, those crushing losses, they
Speaker 1: just kind of hang with you a little bit more, Alright.
Speaker 1: This one from Alex Everson, when is Mark's next solo
Speaker 1: holiday or vacation into a Ceed motel. It feels like
Speaker 1: it has been sometime since he has had a non
Speaker 1: stay cation trip, yet he's still been on the pod.
Speaker 1: Uh So this offseason, I've taken a different tack. Um,
Speaker 1: this is the idea that I'm staying in Ceed motels.
Speaker 1: We already clarified that there are three and four star
Speaker 1: even hotels. They are and they're typically you know, dotted
Speaker 1: around town. I've learned that Los Angeles is about as
Speaker 1: good of a place on a staycation as I'll go
Speaker 1: anywhere else. And I you know, when you have kids
Speaker 1: and the whole thing going on I'm not gonna be
Speaker 1: going to India for two weeks, although Gregg is in Japan,
Speaker 1: but he's you know, I'm not. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: mean there's none of those type of adventures. So I
Speaker 1: like to do the little tours three day staycations that
Speaker 1: are dotted in between our shows. And I can't talk
Speaker 1: about much that occurs on the on these staycations. Just yeah,
Speaker 1: he can't say everything. But just understand what you're hearing
Speaker 1: right now is the soundtrack of a Mark stay or
Speaker 1: action like blasting this one out of the hotel window.
Speaker 1: What else you got one? You got one that you
Speaker 1: grabbed from the old mail bag. Yes, if you could
Speaker 1: pick any guest to join for a podcast and after party,
Speaker 1: who would you pick? And why? And I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna add um and I don't Actually I should
Speaker 1: research shoo. I just copy the question, So I'm sorry
Speaker 1: if you were the one that that sent this out,
Speaker 1: I didn't do that research. But it could be a
Speaker 1: person of history of the past two I'm including anyone.
Speaker 1: They don't have to currently be alive. Okay, that's an
Speaker 1: easy one. Napoleon does he speak English? Uh? No, not
Speaker 1: so that's that would go about as well as to
Speaker 1: days uh guest appearance went um. I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this um, this song which was performed by the Weather Girls.
Speaker 1: Do we have this graver? I think we do. What's
Speaker 1: happening here the Weather Girls who performed this song. I
Speaker 1: think it's an underrated song. I think we could happen
Speaker 1: to come on. I'd like to have musicians on the
Speaker 1: show at times, time to time, still with us. The
Speaker 1: song came out many many days, right, but I already
Speaker 1: said it doesn't like that they would come back. They
Speaker 1: come You've said Napoleon on the show. I mean you
Speaker 1: remember the night when I was not able to join
Speaker 1: you at the Cozy for New Year's where from my
Speaker 1: house I had the app where you could play because
Speaker 1: he's jukebox, and I played this song nineteen times in
Speaker 1: a row. I don't know if it actually went through.
Speaker 1: I think that technology wise, they got you and they
Speaker 1: kept the money too. But a great idea. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: seems unfair. I would you know, I would like maybe
Speaker 1: a little Debby, you know, I would get I'd like
Speaker 1: to maybe get little Debbie back on the show. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's in the spirit of the question
Speaker 1: went too because I was telling someone the other week
Speaker 1: that that was a time that you know, I did
Speaker 1: a lot of the leg work to get her on
Speaker 1: the show, and then she came in and I was
Speaker 1: essentially sort of star struck and not in my personality
Speaker 1: for like the first who is a accomplished Bay Area
Speaker 1: I believe um rapper, and she came on the show
Speaker 1: a couple of times, uh about five years ago or
Speaker 1: so now, Big Raiders fan Mark went alone and I
Speaker 1: think you were like in the front row for a
Speaker 1: little Debbie concert. Well there were no seats, but I
Speaker 1: covered around the m Yes, and then she came in.
Speaker 1: And when she came in, she had her and her
Speaker 1: associates had before the show had hot boxed in their
Speaker 1: box their car and then came in and shared some
Speaker 1: goods with us, and then we we had that conversation.
Speaker 1: I think it'd be cool to check check in with her,
Speaker 1: especially in light of the Davante Ad acquisition by the Raiders,
Speaker 1: and you know she's tracking that very very closely. Uh.
Speaker 1: This from Corbin du Bois. See some people might say
Speaker 1: the boys and maybe it is, but I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with Corbin du Bois, Well, you got the Quebec thing right,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna try back. Yeah. Do you know that
Speaker 1: the Athletic NFL podcast declared there is now a car
Speaker 1: continuum which feels a lot like it infringes on the
Speaker 1: Dalton scale. I p you may have to declare vengeance
Speaker 1: until you can have Nate Tye and Robert May's on
Speaker 1: for some peacemaking listen where not the Police of NFL podcasts?
Speaker 1: And I I like both these gentlemen a lot. We've
Speaker 1: had Nate on the show several times. In fact, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know the details of the car continuum if
Speaker 1: it's the same of what the Dalton scale uh is about?
Speaker 1: If it is, so be it. It wasn't our idea anyway,
Speaker 1: it was Chris Westling's idea. So for us to uh
Speaker 1: police it that, I don't even think that passes the
Speaker 1: sniff test. So how fun with your football talk, especially
Speaker 1: in the offseason. Yeah, I don't have a huge amount
Speaker 1: of energy right now to add like new grudges to
Speaker 1: the lineup. Some of them that I'm involved in don't
Speaker 1: even aren't even aware. Well I'm not even like enjoying them,
Speaker 1: they're not That's not necessarily fun. So yeah, keep on
Speaker 1: keeping on athletic. Alright. A couple of more from Susannah
Speaker 1: h This question a better fit here versus uh, what
Speaker 1: does a quarterback I have to accomplish to pass Tom
Speaker 1: Brady is the goat? You can't just be super Bowl rings, right,
Speaker 1: say you get three or four rings, but are better
Speaker 1: in other metrics? What is a hypothetical resume that can
Speaker 1: compete with Brady? Good question, Let's start here. I think
Speaker 1: you need that team success. You have to have at
Speaker 1: least I know Brady has seven. So we're talking. The
Speaker 1: conversation to me starts at five or so, right, and
Speaker 1: then on top of it, now, Brady has been a
Speaker 1: monster statistical producer. Um, that's gonna own every record. So
Speaker 1: I don't not to be so obvious about it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody's had to come along, come along, play for twenty
Speaker 1: plus years and combine what the greatest statistical build up
Speaker 1: ever with you know, a handful of rings and then
Speaker 1: some I don't know if it's going to happen though,
Speaker 1: I don't see it. I think it's longevity with no
Speaker 1: drop off. Um, and how about this winning super Bowls
Speaker 1: with multiple teams? Because part of what Brady did. Had
Speaker 1: he gone to Tampa Bay and they were a ten
Speaker 1: win team in the last couple of years. Fine, But
Speaker 1: like the idea that he transformed what was a loser
Speaker 1: franchise into what they are now in one season kind
Speaker 1: of in a lot of people's mind ended the chicken
Speaker 1: or egg like Belichick Brady debate to some degree. And
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Number one quarterbacks cannot control their longevity
Speaker 1: most of the most in the way that Brady has,
Speaker 1: whether they want to or not. Their bodies start to
Speaker 1: give up at some point, and Brady is such an
Speaker 1: outlier on that front that you'd have to play for
Speaker 1: twenty years. Who's going to do that? Yeah? I would
Speaker 1: The only thing I'd pushed back a little bit there,
Speaker 1: and what you said was that the Bucks were kind
Speaker 1: of a team losers before he got there. He was
Speaker 1: very smart and he went to a team that was
Speaker 1: really well set up except for they were like hanging
Speaker 1: onto this Jamis Winston dream, this dying dream that Winston
Speaker 1: was a true franchise leader and a quarterback. And now
Speaker 1: now it gets me mad because I wish I would
Speaker 1: have said it when we did the Dalton Scale conversation
Speaker 1: and Greg was pushing Winston up the list, as he
Speaker 1: always seems to do. And isn't it interesting that the
Speaker 1: Bucks went from Jamis Winston Mr. Thirty thirty season with
Speaker 1: that really strong roster around him and they didn't go
Speaker 1: anywhere to the next year Brady comes in and they
Speaker 1: win the whole thing. Um, it speaks to both Winston
Speaker 1: and Brady and their careers and what they've been able
Speaker 1: to accomplish or not accomplished. So yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: that team was a very good team that he made great. Um,
Speaker 1: the defense was really good already, I mean, and they
Speaker 1: were really good that year, and they were really good
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl getting all the pressure on the
Speaker 1: home So Brady obviously is a huge factor, and like
Speaker 1: is the kind of guy that motivates the rest of
Speaker 1: the team to play to their best level because they
Speaker 1: know they're super confident in the quarterback. But it was
Speaker 1: a really good teach well at that time, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a good It was a good set up
Speaker 1: from I sort of more mean the Bucks franchise historically,
Speaker 1: outside of the John Gruden Super Bowl year, It's not
Speaker 1: if I had to picture a post Patriots jersey that
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was wearing the Bucks were not the first
Speaker 1: team that I thought of it. It was a strange
Speaker 1: I thought match, but it was the right time and
Speaker 1: he maximized it. Speaking of jerseys, I got one more here, Mark,
Speaker 1: This from M Bouche. Some people will say butcher, but
Speaker 1: now I'm just you know, this is your new thing.
Speaker 1: Like I like that. You're you're getting playful with the pronunciation.
Speaker 1: This is a heat check. Bo U C h e R.
Speaker 1: Hit me up, M Bouche and tell me if I'm right.
Speaker 1: What teams need jersey updates the most. Um, Speaking of
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, I think the Patriots. The two teams that
Speaker 1: kind of spring to mind for me are the Patriots
Speaker 1: and the Broncos, who both had nineteen nineties reboots, radical
Speaker 1: reboots of their classic logos. And if you were a
Speaker 1: sports fan or came in the age, came of age
Speaker 1: in the nineties like I did. Mark, you came of
Speaker 1: age in the eighties, but uh just eighteen eighties. Um.
Speaker 1: A lot of the nineties sports jerseys aged terribly immediately
Speaker 1: and eventually we're replaced. I think the flying Elvis for
Speaker 1: the Patriots is obviously tricky because of Tom Brady. They
Speaker 1: won six Super Bowls with Pat with the flying Elvis jersey,
Speaker 1: So it would be really weird to abandon that at
Speaker 1: this point and go back to Pat Patriot and the Red,
Speaker 1: although they're gonna have a throwback jersey uh in a
Speaker 1: game this season. So but I just think that's a
Speaker 1: superior look for them. The Broncos have never been all
Speaker 1: totally on board with their reboot, but now that I
Speaker 1: think about it, they've won three Super Bowls uh since
Speaker 1: and that came immediately after they rebooted out of their
Speaker 1: original classic Orange Crush, So they have a similar issue
Speaker 1: with that. So one man's opinion. I'm not a big
Speaker 1: fan of those jerseys, but it's complicated by their success.
Speaker 1: I would I would add the Carolina Panthers. I am
Speaker 1: tired of the way they look and I think they
Speaker 1: need a reboot. You're saying more pounding in terms of
Speaker 1: the think tank. I would pound that issue. You would
Speaker 1: keep pounding until someone listens. Additional pounding, additional pounding. All right,
Speaker 1: do you have anything else? But how about this a
Speaker 1: player that performed underperformed last year that you are like
Speaker 1: money in the bank. You have them rounding back into
Speaker 1: shape and becoming what we think they can become. Here's
Speaker 1: where I'm going with this. Lamar Jackson, coming off an
Speaker 1: injury plagued messy again, did not track the name. I
Speaker 1: mean this is you know, I think how cool it
Speaker 1: would be if you're your favorite show? How about what
Speaker 1: you answer? I will look for this and kind of
Speaker 1: presumptuous of me to say that whoever said that this
Speaker 1: is their favorite show? But obviously it's a podcast they
Speaker 1: like enough that they sent in the question, And what
Speaker 1: a thrill it would be for you to say their name.
Speaker 1: I think you've made the point. I am looking. I'm
Speaker 1: looking right now for I've been bloviating for so long
Speaker 1: that I don't even remember what the question was, Mark,
Speaker 1: What was it? A player that had underperformed a lot
Speaker 1: year ago, a rebound season, a big bounce back. Yes,
Speaker 1: I like that one. Let's see looking at the old
Speaker 1: and you've got Lamar Jackson. Yeah, you got a really
Speaker 1: wax poetic Because I'm cycling through these tweets here, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll throw it out there. Allen Robinson that completely disappeared
Speaker 1: in his final season in Chicago. Now that you could,
Speaker 1: depending how you look at it, you can see that
Speaker 1: as that might have quit on that team a little bit,
Speaker 1: but hey, that was a rough team to be in
Speaker 1: with the final year with Matt Nage and all the
Speaker 1: struggles they had, and a rookie Justin Fields who was
Speaker 1: feeling his way through things. You know, you had late
Speaker 1: period Andy Dalton involved. It was just a tough time
Speaker 1: to be on that offense. But I think fresh start
Speaker 1: with the Rams, the defending champions. You have in Cooper Cup,
Speaker 1: a big time number one receiver who's going to attract
Speaker 1: a lot of attention. It's possible that O'Dell Beckham returns
Speaker 1: to the fold. They're still you have a great quarterback
Speaker 1: in Matt Stafford obviously, and a great play caller in
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh. So Allen Robinson with the season that you know,
Speaker 1: puts him back in Pro Bowl consideration. How about that?
Speaker 1: And I have an update. Okay that tweet he or
Speaker 1: anything I just said, be honest, Okay, that's fine, go ahead, competent.
Speaker 1: I mean from a distance, the tweet came from Alex Smith.
Speaker 1: One seven, so either now seven the number could have
Speaker 1: an incredible amount of meeting to Alex Smith. I think
Speaker 1: it me perhaps born in December, potentially a Russian bot
Speaker 1: because I don't know too many people to do that
Speaker 1: with at the end of their tagline numbers. All right, what,
Speaker 1: thank you Alex for the question. What a thrill it
Speaker 1: must have been to hear your name and so you say,
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, I got Allen Robinson. Oh you did. I
Speaker 1: didn't even notice that. I didn't. I wasn't even listening
Speaker 1: to that part. That's a good answer, thanks buddy. All right, good,
Speaker 1: let's let's close it up. Let's sign off, perhaps for
Speaker 1: the last time. I'm just picked up the phone and
Speaker 1: you heard you know, when somebody picks up the phone
Speaker 1: when you're online and the old dial up days. Oh
Speaker 1: I can I tell you one little quick thing that
Speaker 1: happened to me that caused massive anxiety. So remember like
Speaker 1: total phone, which was like three way calling essentially. Uh.
Speaker 1: This was like seventh grade and my parents had a
Speaker 1: bunch of people over and I was in my room.
Speaker 1: Um that was like a dinner party with a bunch
Speaker 1: of drinking from well I I had not that I saw,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't put it past them. But like, um,
Speaker 1: I had a friend call up this girl that I
Speaker 1: liked named Robin Herman, and so my friend like without
Speaker 1: her knowing that I was on the line was doing
Speaker 1: some some you know, groundwork on like this this Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: Do you think that maybe he's someone you would like
Speaker 1: to like? In the middle of the this call in
Speaker 1: the kitchen, one of the ladies that had come over
Speaker 1: picked up to you know, to call home to find
Speaker 1: on what's going on with the citner something like that,
Speaker 1: and all I could hear is, Hey, Barb Sessler, Barb Sessler,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? Is it seems like someone's on
Speaker 1: the phone. I'm like, WHOA? So I basically like did I?
Speaker 1: Everyone hung up, as I think, as quick as possible,
Speaker 1: But it was a totally unmasked and but I did
Speaker 1: end up going on a few I went to a
Speaker 1: dance with her, so it worked out on the end.
Speaker 1: And you have two kids together, So that's where my
Speaker 1: daughter came from. No, it's not so much people were curious.
Speaker 1: This is actually for my submission from the mailbag. A
Speaker 1: lot of people reaching out and saying, um, it was
Speaker 1: mentioned that Mark had a twenty four year old daughter
Speaker 1: on our last episode. Uh, and that was kind of
Speaker 1: glossed over. Do you want to get into any specifics there?
Speaker 1: I don't think that's wise. I think we've said, we've
Speaker 1: said enough. Like Cavon Thibodeau, sometimes you just gotta say,
Speaker 1: next question, smart. Thank you to Cavon Thibodeaux, who we'll
Speaker 1: be back on the field and ready for training camp.
Speaker 1: You heard it here first, Please site us properly in
Speaker 1: the news. We'll be back on Thursday, maybe um with
Speaker 1: another episode UM and maybe a guest. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll see Greg Is in Japan safe journey while he's there,
Speaker 1: so you uh, next week, buddy, But we got one
Speaker 1: more show to do, but one at least need that call.
Speaker 1: Welcome to this guy gets it with Mark Sessler. Today's
Speaker 1: episode the National Football League's Great Debate Artificial Turf or
Speaker 1: Natural Grass, featuring special guest Cavan Thibodeaux and now your host,
Speaker 1: My Cessler. Thank you for joining us this week. You know,
Speaker 1: for decades pro football has been dogged by one burning
Speaker 1: question that refuses to go away. To nobody's surprise, it
Speaker 1: is a question of plane surface. Sixteen NFL teams operate
Speaker 1: on real grass, the other sixteen wage battle on artificial turf. This,
Speaker 1: of course, raises an ethical question. Is it proper to
Speaker 1: ask players to perform on artificial surfaces when they could
Speaker 1: perform their duties on Bermuda grass, Kentucky blue grass, or
Speaker 1: even swaths of Desso Grassmaster Cavon, where do you come
Speaker 1: down on this pivotal issue we must confront. I'm a
Speaker 1: grass guy. I think I'll always be a grass guy.
Speaker 1: We are from nature, we come you know, we are
Speaker 1: natural beings, So I think performing everything on grass was
Speaker 1: just the smartest, safest way to go. Join us next
Speaker 1: week when we dive deep into the topic of referee outerwear.
Speaker 1: Is it time for us to rethink how these hard
Speaker 1: working officials are dressed in two