Speaker 1: Pushkin. Maybe I'm I've chosen or fallen into, or gotten
Speaker 1: plucked out to do this career for a reason, like
Speaker 1: maybe I care a lot about it, and I think
Speaker 1: protecting myself from really investing emotionally in my career early on,
Speaker 1: it was a defense mechanism. It was like, if I
Speaker 1: don't really care about it, and I don't really try
Speaker 1: so hard and I don't really want it so bad,
Speaker 1: then when I don't make it, it won't be so
Speaker 1: horrible and painful, you know what I mean. Like if
Speaker 1: I don't study for a test and I fail it, well,
Speaker 1: I probably would have gotten a good grade if I
Speaker 1: would have studied. But what if you study your dick
Speaker 1: off and you get a D and then you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: I'm just a dumb fuck. That was Judy career. I'm
Speaker 1: san Fragoso and this is talk easy. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: showy everyone. Judy Greer is an actress you've seen in
Speaker 1: all kinds of films and television shows. Here is a
Speaker 1: completely random shortlist I've put together. What Women Want Adaptation
Speaker 1: thirteen going on thirty, The Village in Memory of My Father,
Speaker 1: twenty seven dresses, The Descendants Jeff who Lives at Home,
Speaker 1: aunt Man Wilson Lemon, aunt Man in the Wasp. Is
Speaker 1: that what the second one is called. I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 1: I've seen neither of those movies, but if you're listening
Speaker 1: to the show, you probably primarily identify Judy Greer as
Speaker 1: Kitty Sanchez in Arrested Development. She's an actress who seems
Speaker 1: to always be working, and I think she knows this.
Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, Judy released a memoir called I Don't
Speaker 1: Know What You Know Me from Confessions of a co Star.
Speaker 1: The Amazon description of this book is kind of great.
Speaker 1: It says, you know Judy. You know Judy Greer, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: you totally recognize her, and odds are you already feel
Speaker 1: like she's your friend? I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's the relationship you have with her. But what
Speaker 1: you probably don't know is that she recently made her
Speaker 1: directorial debut. It's called A Happening of Monumental Proportions, and
Speaker 1: it's set over one school day in which students and
Speaker 1: teachers have to deal with a whole bunch of things.
Speaker 1: A dead body, infidelity, bad parenting, teen angst, and so
Speaker 1: much more. Here's a bit in the trailer. Well, what'd
Speaker 1: you call nine one one? I said, since he's already did,
Speaker 1: it's not technically an emergency. If I see that on Facebook,
Speaker 1: I'm on snapjet. What's at one thirty? Career day? I
Speaker 1: don't want you to do it? Who's that? He's a
Speaker 1: music teacher? Is he smoking a cigarette? Should you be
Speaker 1: smoking on school grounds? You're having a fair with your assistant?
Speaker 1: Morning Daniel called, He said, wants to have lunch with
Speaker 1: my husband? Yes, I wants to have lunch with you.
Speaker 1: He's gluten free. You're fired? What you're fired? You're new?
Speaker 1: How I'm having a new work friend together seven years?
Speaker 1: What do you say? She's your everything? If pressed, yes, Jesse,
Speaker 1: I know. We found him this morning next to a
Speaker 1: big pile of manure. This man tended to our grounds
Speaker 1: for a decade. We don't even know his name. His
Speaker 1: name is Kevin. Kevin thought have been something more mix,
Speaker 1: more lotto syllabic. Over the next hour, Judy and I
Speaker 1: go into the challenges of making your first movie, especially
Speaker 1: in the pivot from acting to directing. We also run
Speaker 1: through some of her greatest hits in her career. She
Speaker 1: indulged my questions about adaptation that I've I've always wanted
Speaker 1: to ask. We talk about her first break into Hollywood,
Speaker 1: how she feels about being called a character actress or
Speaker 1: a supporting actress. But first we talk about parenting and
Speaker 1: the pressure's women feel to become mothers at a certain age.
Speaker 1: So finally here is Judy Greer. When it comes to parenting.
Speaker 1: Did you you didn't want to be a parent? Right?
Speaker 1: I know you are now your stepmother stepparent? Is that
Speaker 1: weird to say a lout? No? Because because I always
Speaker 1: want to introduce my stepkids as my kids, but like
Speaker 1: I never also want to like step on the toes
Speaker 1: of their mom. So I mean there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of times when I'm like introducing my stepkids when she's
Speaker 1: there that she'd be like, can I swear on your podcast? Yes,
Speaker 1: she would be like what the fuck? So it's not
Speaker 1: really an issue. But like also just to be like
Speaker 1: respectful of their mom, right, I'm like, this is my stepdaughter, Emily,
Speaker 1: but really I'm always just like this is my brain.
Speaker 1: I'm like as my daughter Emily. And then I think
Speaker 1: that like my kids stepkids. To be clear, I have
Speaker 1: like four parents instead of two parents. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, I don't know why I have to
Speaker 1: call them my step kids all the time, but easy
Speaker 1: for people than to categorize everything in that way like Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so these aren't her kids, but they're her kids, right.
Speaker 1: But I didn't double negative. I didn't not want to
Speaker 1: be a parent parent like a like a vaginal parent,
Speaker 1: but I just like what term? And I was like
Speaker 1: a parent. I'm still like the show, there's a second
Speaker 1: verse for the show. First verse is doing it on
Speaker 1: the ground. Um, I didn't not want to. I just
Speaker 1: didn't like what. By the time it like I got
Speaker 1: around it being time to decide to do that, Like
Speaker 1: I was like really happy with my steps and thinking
Speaker 1: like why, I don't know, it just felt like maybe
Speaker 1: that time it passed. And also I like really really
Speaker 1: really love my husband and and I was so excited
Speaker 1: to like have time with him that I was like
Speaker 1: I don't want a baby to wreck that, right, wreck
Speaker 1: the fun time? Yeah, like we have a lot of
Speaker 1: fun together and I really love hanging out with him,
Speaker 1: And because like we already have these two awesome kids,
Speaker 1: it seemed like what if you know, mine isn't nice?
Speaker 1: And then right like your kid ruins the fun. That's
Speaker 1: so crazy. Also, I really love dogs, and I really
Speaker 1: love the environment, and I really love going away and
Speaker 1: doing movies out of town, and not that you can't
Speaker 1: do those things when we have a baby, but it
Speaker 1: was like harder for me to wrap my mind around,
Speaker 1: like how can I have all these dogs? And then,
Speaker 1: by the way, I only have one right now, but
Speaker 1: I'm totally getting more, and then it's really bad for
Speaker 1: the environment to have a kid. And I would fel
Speaker 1: really guilty leaving this baby with my husband, who's such
Speaker 1: a total peach. And he was like, my fear is
Speaker 1: that you say you're not going to do movies because
Speaker 1: you have a baby now, but that you actually will
Speaker 1: do the movies and then I will be at home
Speaker 1: with this baby. Yikes. Yeah, that's the honest truth. You
Speaker 1: really got a whole argument put together there. Well, all,
Speaker 1: he's talked a lot about it. It's a big decision, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, people make the decision to have a baby
Speaker 1: so much faster than they make it to not have
Speaker 1: a baby. Like I thought for like literal years about
Speaker 1: that's a good sentence, should I not have a baby
Speaker 1: or should I have one? But like most people are
Speaker 1: like I want a baby, and then they get a baby,
Speaker 1: like they don't really spend time on it. Maybe not,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You seem pretty young. You probably don't
Speaker 1: have a baby. I don't have a kid, right, but
Speaker 1: probably want one. I think I do. But lately we're
Speaker 1: talking about environmental stuff. The future is so bleak, so
Speaker 1: let's let even go down that. Okay, but that is that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll just we'll get there at the end. I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this in relation to your film. There's a
Speaker 1: lot about parenting and responsibility in the film, and I
Speaker 1: guess connecting it to you. When it came to the
Speaker 1: idea of being a parent, did you have that internal clock?
Speaker 1: Because you kept saying like two minutes ago, like it
Speaker 1: was the time to do this, Like yeah, like was
Speaker 1: that clock in your mind? It's in every woman's mind
Speaker 1: that like it doesn't have a baby that thinks maybe
Speaker 1: they might want one when they turn like thirty thirty three.
Speaker 1: Let's say, I don't know. I mean I also like
Speaker 1: my yes, there's a clock always, and like you start
Speaker 1: getting asked like hey, like I remember my doctor being like,
Speaker 1: do you think you want to have a baby? And
Speaker 1: I was like I don't know yet, and she's like,
Speaker 1: because if you do, we should probably do something about it.
Speaker 1: And I was like, uh you whatever a baby with
Speaker 1: me and like, um, okay, so then that clock but
Speaker 1: it's in your head and actually I feel, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: you have to start thinking about it just because you
Speaker 1: know you can't like women can't do it forever. Not
Speaker 1: to say that like you can't use other methods or adopt,
Speaker 1: because it's always an awesome option. But is it at
Speaker 1: all similar to the idea of you wanting to direct
Speaker 1: because you've been acting since what you were twenty three
Speaker 1: something like that? Yeah, I think my first job was
Speaker 1: like twenty two. But yeah, was there a moment where
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, I need to direct a movie and
Speaker 1: I got to do this by a certain time. No,
Speaker 1: but definitely, like I'm super excited to turn it into
Speaker 1: a metaphor like for my baby to be born. Like
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for this movie to come out, right,
Speaker 1: Like people keep asking me like when can I see it?
Speaker 1: How can I see it? Send me a link? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, just like wait, like go to
Speaker 1: a theater at least buy a ticket, and then even
Speaker 1: you can watch it online, but like, please buy a ticket.
Speaker 1: But um, like I know, I had no timeline for that.
Speaker 1: I just thought in the back of my head when
Speaker 1: I started acting, I thought like, well, yeah, eventually I
Speaker 1: want to write and I want to direct. But then
Speaker 1: when I actually started acting, it seemed farther and farther
Speaker 1: away because it seems so hard to do. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I said. I would say it was
Speaker 1: always a goal, but there was no timeline for it.
Speaker 1: It just had to be the right script, because you know,
Speaker 1: to direct a movie, like an independent movie, it takes
Speaker 1: a year of your life and I can't do my
Speaker 1: day job while I do it because I have to
Speaker 1: you know, like preproduction work and edit and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: so like you don't get paid anything, so basically you
Speaker 1: have to take a year off to do it. I did,
Speaker 1: so yeah, that was like a sacrifice. So it just
Speaker 1: has to be the right material, Like you're not gonna
Speaker 1: like although I guess some people make babies with test tubes,
Speaker 1: but like I wouldn't like make a baby. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: with a guy I didn't know, Like, I wouldn't really
Speaker 1: make a movie with a script. I wasn't obsessed with
Speaker 1: because it's such a labor of love. And I think,
Speaker 1: like even the biggest movie in the world with the
Speaker 1: biggest budget, and you're getting paid all the money in
Speaker 1: the world to do. It's a labor of love, like
Speaker 1: you are fucking in it and it is consuming completely,
Speaker 1: So you better like at least one thing about it
Speaker 1: so much that it makes everything else worthwhile. But hopefully
Speaker 1: like everything about it. We brought it full circle. There.
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Yeah, I mean you did all the work.
Speaker 1: I really did much at all. I wanted to backtrack,
Speaker 1: before you start acting, what jobs did you have? Because
Speaker 1: I know directing now as a new job. What happens
Speaker 1: before acting? I go to college, okay, and I wait tables,
Speaker 1: and I bartend, and I work the door to nightclub
Speaker 1: and I work the coat check at the same nightclub.
Speaker 1: Which one is the most fun bartending because you make
Speaker 1: the most money. And back when I bartended, it was
Speaker 1: like the drink would be like pink or white or brown.
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like can I have a rusty nail
Speaker 1: or the elephant juice? Drink the elephant juice. My husband
Speaker 1: and I have this joke because every time I order
Speaker 1: a drink. I'll be like, can I have Ladybug juice? Please?
Speaker 1: It'll come like in a rocks glass, like with one
Speaker 1: big ice cube. And then he'll order like the leather
Speaker 1: wallet and it'll be like in like a thimble with
Speaker 1: like a long stem, and he's like, why I'm trying
Speaker 1: to order a masculine drink? White? Does it come? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But those are very deceptive because sometimes those drinks that
Speaker 1: look and sound good, you're like cool, I'm in, and
Speaker 1: then it comes and it's like, God. We went to
Speaker 1: Campbell apartment. Have you been there in New York City.
Speaker 1: It's just I think they redid it and reopened it,
Speaker 1: and it might be like I don't know, I haven't
Speaker 1: been since they redid it, but apparent. But we went
Speaker 1: one night and he drank. He ordered like a like
Speaker 1: a muscle something I don't know what, Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: was like it was like glowing green with like flowers
Speaker 1: coming out of it. He was like, this is a joke.
Speaker 1: I mean a bit like this has to be anyway. Yes.
Speaker 1: When I was bartending, it was very easy to bartender.
Speaker 1: I think being a bartender now would be so super hard.
Speaker 1: I was at a bar in Minneapolis, shooting this movie.
Speaker 1: Wilson once were they gave you a drink to drink
Speaker 1: while they made your drink because it took so long
Speaker 1: to make these drinks because they're like for the drink,
Speaker 1: like a pre drink. Wow, I mean that sounds kind
Speaker 1: of great. It was great. Yeah, They're like, here, have this.
Speaker 1: It's like in a moose bush, but it's it's a
Speaker 1: you know, liquor. Great. Yeah, what were you like? It
Speaker 1: was like late teenage years, early twenties in college. I mean,
Speaker 1: you might have to do some research and ask my friends.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was probably the same. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean I was, I had curlier hair, and I
Speaker 1: was acting at all on the horizon. Well, I was
Speaker 1: in an acting school, so it wasn't like a complete
Speaker 1: left turn. Yeah, but I never thought I would be
Speaker 1: an actor. My parents tell this story, although I don't
Speaker 1: remember it at all, of coming home for Christmas after
Speaker 1: my first year in acting school and saying that I
Speaker 1: didn't want to do it, that I want to change schools,
Speaker 1: and they were freaking out. They were like, oh my god. Which,
Speaker 1: now that I have kids in college and out of college,
Speaker 1: I'm like, why did they care so much because I'm
Speaker 1: like if I mean, I don't know, like you want
Speaker 1: your kids to be settled and happy. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, it's like, so like go to another school,
Speaker 1: like maybe different times be happy. I think so too.
Speaker 1: And also different parents. You know, they're like, you graduate
Speaker 1: from high school, you go to college, you get a job,
Speaker 1: you get married, you make a family, you go to church,
Speaker 1: and you're happy soul you raise Catholic right yeah and
Speaker 1: so yeah. So so I think they freaked out about that,
Speaker 1: and then I just never mostly because I'm lazy, got
Speaker 1: around to like leaving school lazy. Yes I was. I am.
Speaker 1: I think if myself as lazy, although everyone's like, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about. You're not lazy at all, Like
Speaker 1: you're the busiest person in the world. But I have
Speaker 1: so many people telling me where to go and what
Speaker 1: to do. So it's not like I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I want to do a podcast today. It's like I
Speaker 1: want to do the podcast, but I'm not going to
Speaker 1: like reach out to you, like this is all happening
Speaker 1: like around me. Yes, so I don't even have your number.
Speaker 1: So although now I know I could get it through Jennis,
Speaker 1: but I I stayed at school for four years and
Speaker 1: then and was thinking as school was ending, like I'll
Speaker 1: probably have to go to grad school, so I'll like
Speaker 1: get a job work right like I'm in Chicago, and
Speaker 1: I'll just audition for like stuff in Chicago and then
Speaker 1: figure out like where to go to grad school and
Speaker 1: like what I'm really going to do and like have
Speaker 1: like might start my life then basically, and then I
Speaker 1: just honestly, it's the worst story for anyone starting out
Speaker 1: in the business because I just kept getting jobs, Like
Speaker 1: I just kept getting acting jobs. It's not a great story.
Speaker 1: I can't give advice to people starting out. I always
Speaker 1: just say, like, go take classes at UCB because I
Speaker 1: don't know what to tell people because I was like, well,
Speaker 1: They're like, well, how'd you get an age? And I
Speaker 1: was like I was walking down the street and then
Speaker 1: a lady stopped me and said, oh really yes in Chicago. Yes.
Speaker 1: And when that happened, would that lady stopped do what
Speaker 1: were you thinking about? You like a Daniels, if you're listening,
Speaker 1: what's up? Send this to it? Well that's I mean,
Speaker 1: did you think when that happen? You know, because like
Speaker 1: when that kind of stuff happens in life, least for me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I guess it was meant to happen, because
Speaker 1: there's no reason Erica should be stopping you on the
Speaker 1: street while you're in Chicago and you're like twenty one
Speaker 1: years old. I've always very much gone with the flow
Speaker 1: of things, even though I feel like I'm kind of
Speaker 1: type A and I have I can never sleep, and
Speaker 1: I like, I'm not like a mellow, relaxed person probably,
Speaker 1: but as far as then, I need it. I need
Speaker 1: anything that makes me grounded. Like, oh, that was funny.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know it was a joke, but it
Speaker 1: is um so like in life in work, as things
Speaker 1: come to me, I try to just like not think
Speaker 1: too much about it. It was sort of yes, someone
Speaker 1: coming up to me on the street and being like,
Speaker 1: You're like, I was like wearing this blue raincoat and
Speaker 1: actually I wrote a book and it's in my book,
Speaker 1: but I had this like blue rain jacket that I
Speaker 1: bought it at the rift store in Chicago, and it
Speaker 1: was really cool. And I'm like walking down the street
Speaker 1: and this woman's like, that's an amazing jacket. You're really cool.
Speaker 1: I am an agent. Have you ever thought about like
Speaker 1: acting or anything, and I was like, well, actually, I'm
Speaker 1: about to graduate from the Theater School at DePaul. And
Speaker 1: she's like, great, I'll represent you. And I got so
Speaker 1: in DePaul at the time. I don't know what it's like, sorry,
Speaker 1: in Chicago at the time. I don't know what it's
Speaker 1: like now now. But back then you would like multilist,
Speaker 1: so like all the agencies would represent you. So I
Speaker 1: had her, and then I got hooked up with this
Speaker 1: other agent there named Chuck so'she and he was also
Speaker 1: my agent. And then he was like, I don't like
Speaker 1: to work with other agents. I really just like my
Speaker 1: clients to be my clients, which is unusual for the city.
Speaker 1: But if you'd like to work with me, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what I want. And I was like, okay, I'll
Speaker 1: do that. So I then kind of said to Erica
Speaker 1: Daniels like I'm so sorry, I'm gonna go with this
Speaker 1: other guy and you left the woman behind. I know,
Speaker 1: what a bitch. Not my words, I know, I was terrible.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, but it was something
Speaker 1: and he was really special and we were really close
Speaker 1: and I worked with him for a really long time.
Speaker 1: And when I moved to La he came here too
Speaker 1: to be a manager, and he came with a couple clients,
Speaker 1: the a few of us who moved from Chicago, and
Speaker 1: he came to and it was really great. I loved
Speaker 1: working with him. I mean that was also meant to be.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like the same thing, like he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I want to work with you, and I only liked
Speaker 1: to work with one, like I only like my clind
Speaker 1: staffs me. And so then I was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: and it felt more like intimate my relationship with him.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean it like physically, I just mean
Speaker 1: only having one person to deal with just felt like
Speaker 1: so much again lazy, like it's so much easier than
Speaker 1: like having to get all these phone calls from all
Speaker 1: these people. I mean, fingers crossed, you're getting a lot
Speaker 1: of phone calls, right, But like it just felt like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's just better. I just have like this one guy
Speaker 1: idea with than having to like constantly like send more
Speaker 1: pictures to all these offices in YadA, YadA, YadA. So
Speaker 1: so at a certain point, does the idea of being
Speaker 1: an actress sort of snap into your head and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna do this now. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it was. I know, because I know you like to
Speaker 1: put this laziness term on, but I'm not entirely sure
Speaker 1: I'm going to buy that. Well, I think like being
Speaker 1: competitive turned into being like wanting to like win the
Speaker 1: role that I auditioned for. You were competitive as a kid.
Speaker 1: I was competitive as an actor. When I started out,
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like it felt like I wanted to
Speaker 1: be chosen, like I wanted to win the part is
Speaker 1: what I kind of thought of it as at the time,
Speaker 1: and then realized like it's yes, And then pretty soon
Speaker 1: after moving to LA, I realized like, oh, but like
Speaker 1: I want the part, like I want to do this
Speaker 1: and I like doing it, and now like I don't
Speaker 1: really know how to use computers, like I don't know
Speaker 1: what you're doing, but I don't think I could do that.
Speaker 1: So I so I'm like, now just fucked and have
Speaker 1: to be an actor because I don't know how to
Speaker 1: do a spreadsheet or I mean, I can't even sync
Speaker 1: my phone to my car. Really, no I can help
Speaker 1: you with that. After the show everyone says that and
Speaker 1: no one can do it. So so I feel now
Speaker 1: like I'm incapable of having another job. Right, So you're
Speaker 1: just you're you're stuck doing this and I love doing it, right, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: it worked out. Yes, Do you remember the first film
Speaker 1: that you felt like a real actor on? Because I
Speaker 1: know the first movie I saw you in that it
Speaker 1: was what women want. I was going to say that
Speaker 1: one girl, are you Yeah? Okay? Also Chicago, so I
Speaker 1: saw that as a kid. Oh you're so young. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're young. Enjoy what we've done to the
Speaker 1: world for you. Thank you, You're welcome. You said, I
Speaker 1: like that you're young. But your first thing was you know,
Speaker 1: was about me not being young. I'm not so sure. No,
Speaker 1: we're having such a nice time. Yeah, okay, good. I
Speaker 1: saw when you were a baby. I was a year old.
Speaker 1: Really incredible memory. My mom says, I remember something from
Speaker 1: when I'm too but I don't know. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Here was Um that film is really strange to watch
Speaker 1: now in twenty eighteen. I haven't should I I'm not
Speaker 1: going to answer that. Okay, maybe so sexist. Let's say yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: we can because like you can even say that. You
Speaker 1: can say it because it was directed by a woman. Yes,
Speaker 1: so it's easier to say, makes it even maybe more confusing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what I was reminded of when I watched it
Speaker 1: again is that your character is really strange and um
Speaker 1: but like kind of poetic and melancholic and yeah, I
Speaker 1: was like, I cannot believe this is in the movie
Speaker 1: and it's it. I don't even know if it fits.
Speaker 1: But it's the best part in a way. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is for people, like, let's add a refresher for people
Speaker 1: who have not seen it in a while. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I do. I can tell you because well obviously I
Speaker 1: can tell you. But um so nineteen ninety nine, I
Speaker 1: am proud to say at the time, I felt like
Speaker 1: it was sexist and I kept thinking, this is not
Speaker 1: what my friends and I like, like, this is almost
Speaker 1: like is this offensive? Like is this going to offend women?
Speaker 1: Because it's like, I just don't know if he likes me.
Speaker 1: I have to change my tampon. I'm like, we like
Speaker 1: really like I think about Yes, I think about that stuff,
Speaker 1: but I also think about like a million other things. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I know what they're doing. I understand the concept of
Speaker 1: a romantic comedy. It's a heightened world and the reason
Speaker 1: why I think that my role, and I would say
Speaker 1: this whether I played it or not, is absolutely I'll
Speaker 1: use the word crucial to this movie is because it
Speaker 1: grounds it and it actually takes it out of being
Speaker 1: like a fully sexist film, because this is a man
Speaker 1: now who is hearing a woman's inner thoughts and they're
Speaker 1: they're dire, and they're dark, and they're melancholy, and he
Speaker 1: can feel for her and his heartbreaks for her, and
Speaker 1: he's hearing that too. So if you don't have my
Speaker 1: character in that movie like then then you're not watching
Speaker 1: that movie six months ago in bed because no one
Speaker 1: cares about it, because it's really a lot of swinging dicks. Yes,
Speaker 1: And because also, like the final scene with him and
Speaker 1: I at the end of the movie, when he's in
Speaker 1: my apartment so struck by lightning he can no longer
Speaker 1: read my mind. Is what makes him a redeemable character
Speaker 1: because he has to save me because of him. He
Speaker 1: has to just talk to me and communicate with me,
Speaker 1: because he is just a human being talking to another
Speaker 1: human being, you know, mister Marshall. Mister Marshall, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it's feak. I'm sorry. I really did not mean to
Speaker 1: scare you, okay. I just wanted to come and see
Speaker 1: how you are. How are you, mister Marshall? If you're
Speaker 1: here because I didn't show up for work today, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I was just about to call I swear, Oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm not here because you didn't show up for work
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But I'm here. I'm well. But
Speaker 1: you wonder why I am here. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I was just thinking that. I was thinking, why is
Speaker 1: mister Marshall here in my bedroom? You were thinking that
Speaker 1: just now? Yeah, in my head, I said, water in
Speaker 1: my ears are something I got here? I don't think
Speaker 1: anything now are you? I'm thinking a million things. Really,
Speaker 1: I kind of saying, you know, usually, okay, Nah, you
Speaker 1: are thinking something right this minute, mister Marshall, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: that you are crazier than I am. I auditioned for
Speaker 1: or I know, I auditioned for the role Sarah Paulson
Speaker 1: played in that movie, and I auditioned for the role
Speaker 1: I got in that movie. And I feel like I
Speaker 1: also auditioned for the role that Marissatoma played in that movie.
Speaker 1: A lot of incredible actresses I know so in that movie.
Speaker 1: So I auditioned for all these different parts, and like
Speaker 1: Nancy Myers kept bringing me back, like to try out
Speaker 1: like this role and maybe come back for this part,
Speaker 1: and come back for X part and like all that stuff.
Speaker 1: And so I came in so many times and I
Speaker 1: just am like I couldn't be happier with like where
Speaker 1: ay that I got to be in the movie, but
Speaker 1: also that I got to play that role in the movie,
Speaker 1: because I think it is a really pivotal moment for
Speaker 1: him for his character, and like without him trying to
Speaker 1: relate to someone who's like having a rough time, like
Speaker 1: I don't know why we care about him. But also
Speaker 1: you know, these are stories I tell myself by two degreer,
Speaker 1: so like you have to you know, Like that's what
Speaker 1: I think is important about my role. And that's why
Speaker 1: I think that like the movie the works really well
Speaker 1: and really stands out. It's because we all have our
Speaker 1: moments of being like, you know, stupid and like petty,
Speaker 1: but then when you have to step up to the plate,
Speaker 1: like hopefully you can hit it out of the park.
Speaker 1: And at the same time that I was shooting that movie,
Speaker 1: I was shooting a second movie, which is called The
Speaker 1: Wedding Planner, which I realized, I think, to answer your
Speaker 1: question from a while back, I felt like a real
Speaker 1: actress when those two movies came out because I knew
Speaker 1: I was shooting them at the same exact time and
Speaker 1: they were such different people, and I realized, like, I'm
Speaker 1: playing these two completely different roles at the same time
Speaker 1: because I feel like they're both in me. And I
Speaker 1: felt like that's like, that's good acting if you can
Speaker 1: go back and forth between these two Like maybe I
Speaker 1: should be doing this, Like maybe I'm doing the right thing,
Speaker 1: Like maybe I'm I've chosen or fallen into or gotten
Speaker 1: plucked out to do this career for a reason, like
Speaker 1: maybe I care a lot about it, and I think
Speaker 1: protecting myself from really investing emotionally in my career early on,
Speaker 1: it was a defense mechanism. It was like, if I
Speaker 1: don't really care about it and I don't really try
Speaker 1: so hard and I don't really want it so bad,
Speaker 1: then when I don't make it, it won't be so
Speaker 1: horrible and painful, right you know what I mean? Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: if I don't study for a test and I fail it, well,
Speaker 1: I probably would have gotten a good grade if I
Speaker 1: would have studied, But what if you study your dick
Speaker 1: off and you get a D and then you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: I'm just a dumb fuck. Yeah, especially if you study
Speaker 1: your dick off. I have a dumb fuck with no dick,
Speaker 1: so right, right, But you didn't make it. I totally
Speaker 1: made it. I mean I think so you know that
Speaker 1: character and what women want. Also, the reason I brought
Speaker 1: it up is that there's a softness to the character
Speaker 1: that I think when people think about a lot of
Speaker 1: your performances, yeah, it seems like, oh, that's the Judy
Speaker 1: were character, or that's like a two degree type. Now
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, a woman who's soft spoken and maybe
Speaker 1: a little fragile. Yeah. I definitely have been playing a
Speaker 1: lot of fragile characters lately. Why is that? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I can like, is it accurate to you? You don't
Speaker 1: seem that fragile me. I'm emotional, but I don't think
Speaker 1: of myself as fragile, and I think that being emotional
Speaker 1: makes someone. I mean, I should say, well, ay, I
Speaker 1: am emotional, but I can access my emotions pretty easily, like,
Speaker 1: especially during one week of the month, I'm really good
Speaker 1: at accessing all my emotions. And sometimes when I read
Speaker 1: a script and I get a role, and I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I hope I get to shoot that scene when I
Speaker 1: have PMS, because I'll be able to knock it out
Speaker 1: of the park, right. And well, I think some of
Speaker 1: my most memorable roles starting out were these sort of fragile,
Speaker 1: emotional characters, and so you know, like anyone, you just
Speaker 1: kind of get into that line and you start doing that.
Speaker 1: But then I also, you know, have like so many
Speaker 1: people come up to me from the movie thirteen going
Speaker 1: on thirty where I'm like a super bitch and be
Speaker 1: like You're so mean, You're such a bitch, and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: like five minutes ago at Baggage claims someone just told
Speaker 1: me that, like my performance was so emotional and changed
Speaker 1: their life in this other thing. So like, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: all of it awesome. Can't tell you the second movie
Speaker 1: I saw, Yes, I was five years old. You just
Speaker 1: swallowed it? What um adaptation isn't It's so good. I
Speaker 1: think one of the best movies in the last twenty
Speaker 1: five years. Wow, I'm standing behind it. Cool. I want
Speaker 1: to rewatch that. I'm ready to reach it like twelve
Speaker 1: times serious, truly, truly, No, I think it's incredible. Um,
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to like kind of bring this up
Speaker 1: now to you because I've seen that movie a lot,
Speaker 1: and that scene, there's a few scenes where you're it
Speaker 1: makes sense you're a waitress, and the uncomfortable nature of
Speaker 1: it because like it starts so sweet and it's like
Speaker 1: you like the flowers, and then it's like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is so nice, and then the turn. I every time,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, how do you feel in
Speaker 1: the moment acting that out? Terrible? I felt horrible. I
Speaker 1: think this cage is a peach and as that brother,
Speaker 1: he's so vulnerable and so like sweet and kind and
Speaker 1: loving and like the real Judy. Like I might not
Speaker 1: have liked him, but I would have probably gone on
Speaker 1: three dates with the guy before I got up the
Speaker 1: nerve to like say like, oh, like I just would
Speaker 1: never be able. I would never believe. Hi, Hey, some
Speaker 1: key lime pie for you today. Okay, yeah, that sounds great.
Speaker 1: I'll cut you an extra large slice preferred customer. Thank you.
Speaker 1: That's really sweet of you. Well, I'm just a sweetie,
Speaker 1: ain't I so? Reading about orchids? Ah? Yes I am.
Speaker 1: This friend of mine has this little tiny pink one
Speaker 1: that grows on a tree branch just like that. I
Speaker 1: can't remember. That's what's called a right, right boy? You
Speaker 1: know your stuff? No, not really, I'm just learning epiphytes
Speaker 1: growing trees, but they're not parasites. They get all their
Speaker 1: nourishments from the air and the rain. Wow, I'm impressed.
Speaker 1: That's great. There are more than three thousand kinds of
Speaker 1: orchans in the world. Wow, that's a lot. Huh. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'll be right back with an extra large slice
Speaker 1: of keilime pie for my orchid expert. But so anyway,
Speaker 1: I was also wondering, I'm going up to Santa Barbara
Speaker 1: this Saturday for an orchard show and I and I, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, well, so I'll just be right back with
Speaker 1: your pie. Then. I mean when I said, like sometimes
Speaker 1: I people come up to me and say I'm a
Speaker 1: bitch in a movie like thirteen going on thirty. The
Speaker 1: first movie I thought of mentioning was Adaptation, Because after
Speaker 1: that came out, so many men would come up to
Speaker 1: me and be like, why you have to be like
Speaker 1: that with men? Like why did you have to be
Speaker 1: so mean to him? Why? And I'm like, it's a
Speaker 1: fucking movie, asshole, Like it's a movie. People are really
Speaker 1: asking you that. Yes, I'll never forget. There was a dude,
Speaker 1: an American rag on Lebreya. I was shopping and this
Speaker 1: guy like walked up to me with so much intention
Speaker 1: that I thought he was walking to someone behind me,
Speaker 1: like come on, let's go, like and he stopped right
Speaker 1: at me, and he's like, why did you say that
Speaker 1: to that guy? Why did you tell him? Like why
Speaker 1: were you so mean to him? He was just asking
Speaker 1: you on a date. And I'm like, I'm sorry, man, Like,
Speaker 1: you know it's a movie, right, Like I didn't write it.
Speaker 1: I'm an actor. I get it. But then also I
Speaker 1: wanted to say to him, but of course they didn't
Speaker 1: because I'm too Midwestern, Like why are you hitting on
Speaker 1: a waitress, asshole? Like come on, like, why would you
Speaker 1: hit on a bartender? We're paid to stand there and
Speaker 1: be nice to you, Like this is a legal form
Speaker 1: of like right, prostitution. You're allowed to say that word here, hooking,
Speaker 1: hooking you're scared to say, You're totally okay. I'll say no,
Speaker 1: I was calling someone a hooker in a text chain
Speaker 1: recently actually, like right before you came in and I
Speaker 1: was like, probably can't even say hooker anymore. That's probably
Speaker 1: like a bad thing to say. You're fine, So anyway,
Speaker 1: I yes, that was I love that movie and I'm
Speaker 1: really like so thrilled I'm in it. And and that scene,
Speaker 1: even though my role and it's like small, that scene
Speaker 1: really has affected people. And it's such a great it's
Speaker 1: such a great film and I'm really excited to rewatch it.
Speaker 1: I never thought you were that mean. I didn't think
Speaker 1: I was. I thought it was just an uncomfortable dynamic.
Speaker 1: It was just that thing of like, uh, okay, how
Speaker 1: much would you want to bet that the guy who
Speaker 1: came up to you on Lebrea was an aspiring screenwriter? Interesting?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you saw himself in the Nick
Speaker 1: Cage role. I felt equally frustrated. Also, that's just my
Speaker 1: elabora theory. He could just be another dude. He probably was.
Speaker 1: I feel like back then everyone was a screenwriter and
Speaker 1: now everyone's a music supervisor. Like I think music supervisor
Speaker 1: has become the new screenwriter. Like this this chunk of Hollywood,
Speaker 1: like the slashes like, well, I'm like a writer, director, actor,
Speaker 1: which now I am, but like but like the people
Speaker 1: were like, well, I'm a screenwriter, but I also do this,
Speaker 1: or like, yeah, everyone when music supervision now everyone wants
Speaker 1: to be a music supervisor. It's like, just because you
Speaker 1: listen to the radio doesn't mean like you should be
Speaker 1: a music super supervising my Spotify account. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: swear to god. Sometimes I'm just like staring at people dumbfounded.
Speaker 1: Like I have a friend who's like a legit music supervisor.
Speaker 1: She was my music supervisor on my movie. Her name
Speaker 1: is Maggie Phillips and she is kick ass and there's
Speaker 1: a great article about her in the La Times. But wow,
Speaker 1: we really plugged Maggie here. She's dope. But I will
Speaker 1: say that it's not like she just was like, I
Speaker 1: really like music, so I'm going to be a music supervisor.
Speaker 1: It's so hard as holy buckets. Yes hard. So if
Speaker 1: you're out there listening and you're like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be a music supervisor because my Spotify playlist is on point?
Speaker 1: Does anyone even say on point anymore? Then I don't know.
Speaker 1: I will say, no, lingo better than I do. You're
Speaker 1: really on top of stuff. I am so hip, You're
Speaker 1: so I was gonna say hip my message to you people,
Speaker 1: to you aspiring music supervisors out there, it's hard, hard job.
Speaker 1: The end by me, great good story. I have a question.
Speaker 1: You said, there's a Midwestern part of you. As someone
Speaker 1: who's from Chicago. I think I understand this, although I
Speaker 1: think we're different on this. Are you someone who you know?
Speaker 1: Because acting is hard and even harder than acting is
Speaker 1: like the business of it is, the confrontational elements of
Speaker 1: it challenging to you. Do you feel that you're not able?
Speaker 1: Sometimes she's nodding her head, good, yes, so continue. It
Speaker 1: is hard. I have a hard time with it. I
Speaker 1: don't really know how to I think I do okay,
Speaker 1: but I'm not always great at it because sometimes I
Speaker 1: am super down to like chat people up, and sometimes
Speaker 1: I just want to be left alone. And you never
Speaker 1: can really say the things that you want to say
Speaker 1: because then you're a bitch. You can say I'm here,
Speaker 1: Like when someone's like, what do I know you from? Right?
Speaker 1: How the fuck am I supposed to answer that question?
Speaker 1: Like how I don't know what you know me from? Literally?
Speaker 1: I wrote a book about it. Yes, I listened to
Speaker 1: the first fifty pages of it, Like how am I
Speaker 1: gonna know how do I know? I don't know. And
Speaker 1: when I first started dating my now husband, he was
Speaker 1: so sweet. He was always like, babe, like people don't
Speaker 1: like they just get nervous and they don't know what
Speaker 1: to say, and you know, and I'm like, I totally
Speaker 1: get that because I do too. You're right, you're right.
Speaker 1: And then now he's kind of like, oh, what are
Speaker 1: you supposed to say? He's not he's a beach, but
Speaker 1: like he now gets why. It's like, I don't know. Man.
Speaker 1: The worst one time was coming home from some vacation
Speaker 1: where we were coming through immigration and like the immigration
Speaker 1: officer like had my passport in his hand and he's like,
Speaker 1: what do I know you from? So now this is
Speaker 1: a guy, right he was looking at photos totally fuck
Speaker 1: with me, by the way, and not let me back
Speaker 1: into America. Yes, but you are a white woman, you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna be okay. I mean kind of I'm pretty white,
Speaker 1: although I look pretty tann in this lighting. Let's not
Speaker 1: get too side track. The passport story was that he's
Speaker 1: like holding on my passport and he wants to know
Speaker 1: what he knows me from, and I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't like I'm trying to figure out like two
Speaker 1: and a half minute, like I go through all the things,
Speaker 1: and well I did, because I want my passport bag
Speaker 1: and I want the stamp and I want to get
Speaker 1: my bag and I want to go home because I
Speaker 1: was just on an airplane for like twenty hours. So um,
Speaker 1: in this case, we couldn't figure out anything. And then
Speaker 1: finally I was like, what do you like watch? Like what?
Speaker 1: And he's like sports and I'm like okay. Then you
Speaker 1: saw me in a sprint commercial and he's like yes,
Speaker 1: I'm like okay, Wow, I go yes, that's my story.
Speaker 1: I think there's more because I've a sense that you
Speaker 1: may suffer from this idea or this fact that you
Speaker 1: are a kind person. You don't think I am. No,
Speaker 1: I think you are. Yes, that's the Midwestern you were
Speaker 1: talking about. It's too I can't just like I don't
Speaker 1: want to shut people down. I don't want to hurt
Speaker 1: people's feelings. I don't want to make people feel bad
Speaker 1: for like just being curious. But I mean, I imagine
Speaker 1: because it's a hard industry, like how do you not
Speaker 1: get taken advantage of? I don't mean like lord, I
Speaker 1: want I want to phrase this correct. I know, I
Speaker 1: know this isn't a me too moment, but like that,
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, not not sexually, just
Speaker 1: people are always trying to fuck each other over. Um.
Speaker 1: I would say for me personally, I've been really lucky
Speaker 1: in the team I've assembled right to take care of
Speaker 1: all my work stuff, so I don't deal with that,
Speaker 1: and they don't. They don't let that happen to me,
Speaker 1: and they know I would one hundred million times over
Speaker 1: have like already be I would like already be back
Speaker 1: home living with my parents because I would have totally
Speaker 1: been a mess. They are great. I have great agents
Speaker 1: who I love. I have a great manager now who
Speaker 1: I love. I mean, I've had him for a really
Speaker 1: long time. But like I have great publicists. I just
Speaker 1: feel like everyone my lawyer, you mustn't forget anyone. This
Speaker 1: is my acceptance speech. Should I ever? I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is as as you've been on the show. But
Speaker 1: I really feel like all of them together, like I've
Speaker 1: made like I fit. The puzzle is finished and it's
Speaker 1: really good. And that's how someone like me doesn't get
Speaker 1: messed with someone like you. Someone like me. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess who's like nice and afraid of hurting people's feelings.
Speaker 1: But what if you have to hurt someone's feelings? Why
Speaker 1: would I have to hurt someone's feelings. Well, sometimes they're
Speaker 1: trying to hurt yours defense. I don't like people try
Speaker 1: to hurt my feelings. That I just I don't think
Speaker 1: that they do. Like I don't know, I don't surround myself.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, and I could be wrong, but
Speaker 1: I have to teach myself that saying no to something
Speaker 1: or to someone isn't hurt feelings. It's business. So that's
Speaker 1: my work that I do in this small head. Is
Speaker 1: like to say, if I say no, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be in your TV show, that I'm not saying
Speaker 1: you're a bad person, I hate you. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in your TV show. I
Speaker 1: don't want to work that week, or I would like
Speaker 1: to go on my vacation and not change it, or
Speaker 1: I would like to you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not about the other persons. The other person. Yeah. Also,
Speaker 1: I think that's because like, generally speaking, actors are pretty
Speaker 1: self centered, so we think the whole world revolves around us,
Speaker 1: and we like are desperate to be liked. So there's
Speaker 1: also that fact two are your self centered? Yes, I
Speaker 1: think so. I mean I have to be a little
Speaker 1: bit to be good, to be like I think, to
Speaker 1: like want to do more. Like. People are always like,
Speaker 1: why don't you want to star in movies? I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I do want to star in movies, you know, like
Speaker 1: I'm not turning them down. I'm not like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. Do you have a role that works for
Speaker 1: four days spread out over four months so I can
Speaker 1: sit in a hotel room by myself? Like that goal,
Speaker 1: that's not my goal. I went through your IMBB this morning,
Speaker 1: and what you just said it just kind of triggered something.
Speaker 1: You've worked on so many shows and so many films,
Speaker 1: varying sizes for each of these. The part about acting,
Speaker 1: I think is actually very similar to being like a
Speaker 1: professional athlete, which is like you're traveling a fair bit
Speaker 1: and you have a lot of isolated time. Yeah. Does
Speaker 1: he get lonely out there in cities? Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1: But I think in one way that's how being an
Speaker 1: only child has helped me. I was like, I'm lots
Speaker 1: of alone time. I grew up being by myself, so
Speaker 1: I don't have a major problem with it. It's harder
Speaker 1: now because I have a family now, so I find
Speaker 1: that it's it's like less adventurous and more like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I missed them, and I bought this small
Speaker 1: dog that I thought I could take with me everywhere
Speaker 1: I went, but she's a maniac and now I can't.
Speaker 1: So I was like, well, I can't be like with
Speaker 1: husband and children. Then like, I'll bring little Mary Richards
Speaker 1: with me everywhere I go, but she's Sibyl and so
Speaker 1: like can't be trusted and so I can't. So then
Speaker 1: I was starting the first time to get lonely traveling
Speaker 1: so much. But it's okay. I mean that's one of
Speaker 1: the benefits too, is like I don't go away for
Speaker 1: six months. I go away for three weeks, right, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, So it's like that's a
Speaker 1: I guess there's a good reason to not be a
Speaker 1: movie star, or like if I'm making a column on
Speaker 1: each side of pros and cons and cons was the
Speaker 1: goal though to be a movie star? I know there's
Speaker 1: there's that competitive side of you. The goal has always
Speaker 1: to have access to better roles, and so I think
Speaker 1: that like in like anywhere, but Hollywood, it's seen as
Speaker 1: being a movie star. In the entertainment industry, it's seen
Speaker 1: as having foreign value. And when you have foreign value,
Speaker 1: you can play different roles, you can play bigger roles,
Speaker 1: you can be in all kinds of different projects. So
Speaker 1: that's the goal, you know, But like it's a that's
Speaker 1: part of the business side of Hollywood. It's you know,
Speaker 1: like you can't like there's a movie I really really
Speaker 1: want right now, and it's like a starring role in
Speaker 1: a really great movie, but they're not going to get financing.
Speaker 1: You know, they probably would need like a big movie
Speaker 1: star in order to get financing, right, So because having
Speaker 1: you would not allow that. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: would get them as much money. I'm not saying it
Speaker 1: wouldn't get any right, but I'm still trying hard, of course. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a part in the book, and
Speaker 1: I don't remember the chapter now, but there's a lot
Speaker 1: of talk about playing the best friend being I think
Speaker 1: in the title, I mean you talk about being a
Speaker 1: co star. Yeah, does that bother you at all? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: no it doesn't, it doesn't. It's except four then sometimes
Speaker 1: you like don't get a part you really want like
Speaker 1: someone else gets it. Yeah, but it doesn't. I love
Speaker 1: I've loved all. I mean, if I'm going to go
Speaker 1: to work and be resentful of why I'm there, then
Speaker 1: I don't take the job. Yeah, I have this quote
Speaker 1: that you said, Uh, there's a fear that I'm never
Speaker 1: going to feel like I made it that I totally
Speaker 1: feel that, but I don't know, like what does that
Speaker 1: even mean? Like when you thought, I was going to
Speaker 1: ask you, what, how do you define that? Like? I
Speaker 1: think there was a time in my life when having
Speaker 1: made it meant I had money, and then there was
Speaker 1: a time in my life when having made it meant
Speaker 1: that I was like finally content with what I had
Speaker 1: around me, you know, and like I don't know right now,
Speaker 1: it probably like means like that I which is probably
Speaker 1: the same as being content. Actually another thing about I
Speaker 1: was going to say, like that I'm really enjoying what
Speaker 1: I have, like how to enjoy it? Right, or that
Speaker 1: I do enjoy like that. It's not like, oh, but
Speaker 1: I don't even feel that, Like anything right now is
Speaker 1: like oh but I think that, Yeah I don't, But
Speaker 1: then is that true? I was thinking when you were
Speaker 1: talking right now, those are reflecting on my own life,
Speaker 1: and I was just thinking, now I'm self absorbed. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean but the part of when you know, because
Speaker 1: good things have happened to me, and sometimes I'm not
Speaker 1: able to catch myself in those moments and think, wow,
Speaker 1: isn't this great? Instead, I had that sort of blase
Speaker 1: attitude of like, h and it's all like, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, my whole life is deduced to like, yeah,
Speaker 1: used to be careful of that. Yeah, how do you
Speaker 1: get away from doing that all the time? Well, don't
Speaker 1: I don't know, go to therapy, like have hobbies, like
Speaker 1: challenge yourself in other ways. I mean, certainly, directing a
Speaker 1: movie was a huge challenge and a huge undertaking for me,
Speaker 1: so that it was exhausting. But I will say that
Speaker 1: when I was done with my movie and I went
Speaker 1: back to acting, acting felt so fun again, Like it
Speaker 1: felt so fun. Yeah, And like just being on a
Speaker 1: set and like wandering off or like taking a nap
Speaker 1: in my dril ern like I was like, this is
Speaker 1: fucking awesome, Like I nailed it, this is great, like
Speaker 1: being able and they're like, okay, d you can go home.
Speaker 1: We're done. With you for the day. At Sam, we're
Speaker 1: done with you for the day, and we're gonna keep
Speaker 1: like like jim Net and like you guys are gonna
Speaker 1: like and then they're just like peace out, Like I
Speaker 1: want to go get a drink, Like it was so fun.
Speaker 1: What did you learn about directing? Because it's a hard
Speaker 1: Oh god, I learned everything I don't know. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so hard. Oh it's so fun though, and you use
Speaker 1: so much more of your brain, Like you to do
Speaker 1: so much of your brain, and you don't have to
Speaker 1: look pretty and be self conscious of how you look,
Speaker 1: which is so awesome. It's perfect for me. I loved
Speaker 1: how consuming it was. I really did. And then I
Speaker 1: also loved afterward, like I just said, going to work
Speaker 1: as an actor and being like woo, yeah, Michael times
Speaker 1: ten am, what's yours? Five? I am sex to be
Speaker 1: you like like yes, and I put the joys of
Speaker 1: like learning and pushing yourself and having to like realize,
Speaker 1: like learning about every single part of filmmaking that stuff
Speaker 1: that never occurred to me before. Like yes, if you
Speaker 1: would ask me like is production design important, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: of course it is. But then being a director and
Speaker 1: your production designer is so important and what the camera
Speaker 1: sees when it's pointed in that direction like is everything.
Speaker 1: And I never thought about that before. And I remember
Speaker 1: always thinking as an actor, like I can't believe like
Speaker 1: costume designers call you and talk to you about the
Speaker 1: look of your character's clothes and hair and makeup people
Speaker 1: call you and they're like, how do you want to
Speaker 1: do your hair? And like are you allergic to anything
Speaker 1: or whatever? And then but production designers never call actors,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what do you think your office looks like?
Speaker 1: Like are you a neat person? Are you messy person?
Speaker 1: Like do you have like write with pens or pencils?
Speaker 1: Do you like highlighters? Do you like? No one fucking
Speaker 1: all those things that It's like my house is like
Speaker 1: my house is so specific to me. So if I'm
Speaker 1: playing this character, like how does no one? So I
Speaker 1: said to like my actors and my production designer like
Speaker 1: reach out to these, you know, reach out to each
Speaker 1: other and talk about like what if this is your house,
Speaker 1: Like what does it look like? Yeah, what was your
Speaker 1: office looked like? Or come in a little early and
Speaker 1: like make your desk the way you want it? Like
Speaker 1: is this right? This is how you feel. And I
Speaker 1: learned that from Todd Holland, who directed me this TV
Speaker 1: show called Misguided that was ultimately unsuccessful but really amazing
Speaker 1: experience and I'm super proud of it. But he like
Speaker 1: when we first got on set, he was like, going
Speaker 1: your office for fifteen minutes and like rearrange everything and
Speaker 1: make it how your character would have it. And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, it makes sense, this is my office.
Speaker 1: How did it feel day one of going into the
Speaker 1: edit bay in post production and like looking at what
Speaker 1: you have? Well, day one it felt great because I
Speaker 1: was like, dude, I nailed it. Day twenty you're like, fuck,
Speaker 1: how did I not get that shot? Why did anyone
Speaker 1: tell me? Yeah? And like day thirty you're like, I'm
Speaker 1: never shooting my movie without my editor next to me
Speaker 1: ever again, and like you know what I mean, it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: Like day one is great, yeah, because yeah, I actually
Speaker 1: meant day one the question was supposed to be Day
Speaker 1: one when you have like a cut is what I meant.
Speaker 1: Day one is super awesome. Yeah, it's just like day
Speaker 1: thirty when you have an assembly and it's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I know I do everything wrong. Also, the things that
Speaker 1: you remember, like I know, I know I have one
Speaker 1: where you don't see his mouth moving. I know I
Speaker 1: haven't over the shoulder. And she's like, yeah don't. You're
Speaker 1: like fuck, yeah, can't get common back, No, can't get
Speaker 1: these people to come back, and like yeah, so that
Speaker 1: stuff that yes day twenty in the editing room is
Speaker 1: so scary and like and then I just found it
Speaker 1: and my limited experience happened on your scale. It's just
Speaker 1: endlessly heartbreaking. Yeah, it's it's heartbreaking, but it's also like like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: there's a solution to this problem. There has to be.
Speaker 1: There has to be, because we're not gonna not finish
Speaker 1: cutting the movie, Like the movie's not gonna not Like
Speaker 1: it's like how do you make it as good as
Speaker 1: you can make it with what you have? And like
Speaker 1: what do you have to sacrifice? What goes away that
Speaker 1: you love so much? Like what baby are you going
Speaker 1: to kill? Are you going to choose that shot of
Speaker 1: him that is everything you ever wanted? But you do
Speaker 1: that you can't have her in the background then rolling
Speaker 1: ruy like the thing you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: you know, because you're a filmmaker, like you have to
Speaker 1: start to really prioritize as you get down the line,
Speaker 1: what's essential to the story, right A, what's essential to
Speaker 1: this story? And then be like what makes it your
Speaker 1: movie instead of just like a base sick bitch movie
Speaker 1: that doesn't have a point of view or anything. A
Speaker 1: basic bitch movie that should be a genre on IMBBE.
Speaker 1: I think I could totally nail basic, no problem, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like what, maybe it'll be the new oscar category. Wait,
Speaker 1: isn't that one literally a name it? And the oscar
Speaker 1: for basic bitch movie goes to I think that was
Speaker 1: the new category. There was a type on the sheet
Speaker 1: when they put out like most popular, it was actually
Speaker 1: basic bitch. I mean, are we gonna have a Hollywood
Speaker 1: yearbook next, like most likely to succeed? Like the fuck
Speaker 1: most popular, most attractive? Oh wait, that's the cover of
Speaker 1: People magazine, like most handsome man. They should do a yearbook.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, well that would sell the Hollywood yearbook.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she graduated, she's no longer. I think
Speaker 1: most of them would be like these people did not
Speaker 1: go to call it, which is letting most people in Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: the okay, I actually have a question for you, Yes,
Speaker 1: specific one. What makes Finally, I'm kidding because everything's been
Speaker 1: specific good. You can, honestly, if you want to get
Speaker 1: some jabs in, we're running out of time here, so
Speaker 1: I'm not wearing you can keep HiT's. You got to
Speaker 1: get some points um in your words? What makes this
Speaker 1: film yours? I always felt weird calling it my movie
Speaker 1: to any of the people involved in my movie, like
Speaker 1: any of the actors and any of the producers and
Speaker 1: anything like. I've always felt weird saying like, oh, my
Speaker 1: movie comes out and it's like our movie. It's it's
Speaker 1: all of our movies. So I guess I would say
Speaker 1: I don't know. I remember after I showed a first
Speaker 1: cut to the Whites brothers, like Chris was like, you
Speaker 1: have a lot of heart, and I was like, maybe
Speaker 1: that's what made this makes this my movie. Like as
Speaker 1: much as I tried to make a cool, sexy indie film,
Speaker 1: I just like, I think I made a really really sweet,
Speaker 1: I think, heartfelt, but funny movie, and I think that
Speaker 1: that's what makes it mine, as opposed to like, if
Speaker 1: let's say, you know, like Puck, I don't know, like
Speaker 1: Michelle Gondry directed this movie, like it would be I
Speaker 1: don't well, I don't know where the camera would be placed,
Speaker 1: but but like placed like very close to the face
Speaker 1: movement on the hand. So you know, it depends on
Speaker 1: what kind of Michelle Gondre movie. There's like Green Hornet, Yeah,
Speaker 1: is Eternal Sunshine? Yes, this isn't that strange. I know.
Speaker 1: I you know, I just finished working with him on
Speaker 1: this TV show called Kidding starring Jim Carrey, and it
Speaker 1: was like such a huge honor to work with him
Speaker 1: and like so cool. But I think of, like, god,
Speaker 1: damn that guy. Like I prepared, So I prepared more
Speaker 1: for my movie than anything ever in my life. Put
Speaker 1: together you type really came out here came out. It
Speaker 1: was really intense. And then I think, like he's just
Speaker 1: such a natural artist that like I don't understand when
Speaker 1: I go to work and he's like looks at us
Speaker 1: and looks around and it's like I think it should
Speaker 1: be like this and like that and you're coming and
Speaker 1: he's like he just has like a feeling. But yes,
Speaker 1: you could say, like you watch something and I guess
Speaker 1: you're right, like when you think of like his die,
Speaker 1: but like Wes Anderson, like you know without anything that
Speaker 1: you're watching a Wes Anderson movie, you know, but I think,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think this makes this is my
Speaker 1: movie because it's heartfelt and I think it's so funny.
Speaker 1: And then I look at the cast and I think
Speaker 1: to myself, like, yeah, like everyone said they would do it,
Speaker 1: but I picked everyone so like I got to say, like,
Speaker 1: would you please be in this movie and play this role?
Speaker 1: And then when they said yes, it's like, well that
Speaker 1: was my idea to ask that person. You know, there
Speaker 1: was some still some intuition. The journey for this film
Speaker 1: I imagined as a long one because you shot it
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen, yeah, two years ago,
Speaker 1: and the edit took a while, I'm sure. And now
Speaker 1: that it's coming out, there's so many there's so many
Speaker 1: variables aside from like the work of art and the
Speaker 1: and the producing of the thing. I know, how have
Speaker 1: you weather the storm of it all? I have a
Speaker 1: great like Great Point Media, who financed the movie, and
Speaker 1: they're releasing the movie. They are you going to give
Speaker 1: credit to someone else? I am? Of course. I felt
Speaker 1: like throughout this whole process they were okay, well I
Speaker 1: have a couple answers, and this is one of them
Speaker 1: throughout the whole process. They've been super, super supportive and
Speaker 1: never faltering in their support of the film and as
Speaker 1: enough me as a filmmaker. So that's really great. And
Speaker 1: the reason that this isn't totally about them is because
Speaker 1: we premiered at the Benville Film Festival in Arkansas, which
Speaker 1: is a film festival that is focused around diversity and
Speaker 1: female filmmakers, diverse and female filmmakers, which is a great
Speaker 1: place to premiere. But of course we sent it to
Speaker 1: Sundance and Toronto and Tribeca and you know what I mean, Yes,
Speaker 1: so we might not have sent it to Toronto, but
Speaker 1: we sent it to the base ones, you know, like
Speaker 1: south By Southwest, and it didn't get into those festivals.
Speaker 1: So that is a heartbreak because a you have producers
Speaker 1: in your ear saying, well, obviously it's going to be
Speaker 1: a Sundance movie, and then it doesn't get into Sundance
Speaker 1: and like, fuck Sundance, Sundance is lame and no one
Speaker 1: cares about it. And I'm like, that's a total fucking lie,
Speaker 1: because if we got into Sundance freaking out and if
Speaker 1: it's so lame, why did we even enter it into
Speaker 1: Sundance anyway, well everyone deserves, like you know. But the
Speaker 1: thing that's like, so how I weathered the storm of
Speaker 1: the two years between finishing my movie and it coming
Speaker 1: out is more just like having confidence in the movie
Speaker 1: and like knowing when I watched this movie at the
Speaker 1: Bentonville Film Festival, which was the first time I've seen
Speaker 1: it with an audience of full strangers in the South
Speaker 1: by the way, like like and hearing their reaction, I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't care anymore about anything, because I
Speaker 1: know that this movie is good and I know that
Speaker 1: people fucking love it. And it's not because they love
Speaker 1: me because I'm not even in it right and not
Speaker 1: because I'm in this room because they don't really know
Speaker 1: who I am all the time, you know what I mean. So, like,
Speaker 1: I made a movie and it won the Audience Award
Speaker 1: and people were laughing and like like three quarters of
Speaker 1: the people stayed for the Q and a after It
Speaker 1: was incredible, and I was like, like, this is amazing,
Speaker 1: Like this is so At this time when this happened,
Speaker 1: it's still hadn't been we still didn't have distribution yet.
Speaker 1: So I just felt so good and like you really
Speaker 1: have to see things as like a journey, or at
Speaker 1: least I do. I try to see things as like
Speaker 1: everything is a journey. There's no end. There's an end
Speaker 1: like when the movie comes out or people can actually
Speaker 1: see it. But like, if this is all part of it,
Speaker 1: then I can't be mad at stages. I mean I
Speaker 1: would say to producers, like, don't tell your directors that
Speaker 1: their movie is totally going to get into Sundance. But
Speaker 1: don't worry. If it doesn't get into Sundance, it'll get
Speaker 1: into south By. And then when it doesn't get into
Speaker 1: south By, I mean, Tribeca is a no brainer. So like,
Speaker 1: don't say that ship to directors because it bucks with us.
Speaker 1: Same with actors, you know what I mean, why didn't
Speaker 1: they tell you all that? Because they don't they as
Speaker 1: based on the people in the film and based on you,
Speaker 1: independent of you making a movie, Yes that that would
Speaker 1: carry enough weight, Yes, just to get in like a
Speaker 1: no brainer. And because it's not a super film festival
Speaker 1: e indie movie, it doesn't really play that way. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's like a big like it's not super mainstream.
Speaker 1: But like while I thought I was making, like I said,
Speaker 1: more of an edgy indie. I ended up making something
Speaker 1: that I think is a little bit more minus all
Speaker 1: the swear words. Because there's a lot of bucks in it.
Speaker 1: We had to rate it are like minus all those
Speaker 1: it's pretty like I think it's a really it's a
Speaker 1: good movie and it doesn't like get to indie or
Speaker 1: dark or weird and soever. There's these explanations of like, well,
Speaker 1: didn't get into scendates because this is what gets into
Speaker 1: scendances and that's what gets into Tribeca and like all
Speaker 1: the other festivals, and you're just like just stop, like
Speaker 1: everyone to stop. It's okay. It's also like I didn't
Speaker 1: just get into this business, like I understand how it works,
Speaker 1: but you still hope you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: you're like, well, movies sell at film festivals. And I
Speaker 1: also felt as an actor, I just wanted to make
Speaker 1: the time that my actors gave me worthwhile. Like I know,
Speaker 1: they didn't get paid and a lot of them had
Speaker 1: to work on weekends. Common had to work on Easter,
Speaker 1: which I know is really hard for him because he
Speaker 1: wanted to go to church and we let him go
Speaker 1: to church in the morning and then and like I
Speaker 1: just felt like I owe them a movie, you know, right,
Speaker 1: and he made it and it's happening. You've been in
Speaker 1: the industry a long time, and I guess one of
Speaker 1: the last things I wanted to ask you is, what
Speaker 1: do you wish a younger Judy knew back then that
Speaker 1: you know now about the journey of it all? Me
Speaker 1: and I would say that, like, the fluffy answer is
Speaker 1: that I wish I would have hired a stylist a
Speaker 1: long time ago. I remember, like, especially now, like when
Speaker 1: everything is about like pictures and the internet and stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't like have a stylist in my like for
Speaker 1: like red carpet stuff. That's the stupid fluffy answer. That's
Speaker 1: a fun answer because I remember, like my publicist was like,
Speaker 1: you should hear a stylist. I'm like, a fuck that
Speaker 1: I'm at spending all that money. And then once I
Speaker 1: hired one, Carlo Welch is one. But once I hired one,
Speaker 1: I was like, ah, because that is not something I
Speaker 1: need to I can't figure out that. Yeah, and now
Speaker 1: that's a whole other thing, these red carpet pictures and
Speaker 1: social media and all that. But then like the deeper answer,
Speaker 1: probably the heartfelt one, Um, what what do I wish
Speaker 1: the younger starting out Judy would have known. Uh, Like
Speaker 1: I guess I would say, like I wouldn't change anything
Speaker 1: about back then because it all kind of led me
Speaker 1: to where I am now. And I would say, like
Speaker 1: value your friendships, but I did, like save your money
Speaker 1: and I did, and and don't buy a stupid car
Speaker 1: if you can't afford it, and I didn't and like
Speaker 1: all that like basic shit, like I knew that and
Speaker 1: I didn't do it. And I don't know any regrets,
Speaker 1: um no, not yet. I don't. I might think of
Speaker 1: one when I'm driving away, but no regrets. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't think I have regrets because I'm I'm still going
Speaker 1: to do stuff. I would like going forward to travel more,
Speaker 1: Like for myself, I didn't travel a lot when I
Speaker 1: was younger because I was like so focused on like
Speaker 1: I have to be in town, I have to work,
Speaker 1: I have to be available, and like now I'm kind
Speaker 1: of a snob about like things, so I'm like, I
Speaker 1: wish I would have traveled more when I was younger
Speaker 1: and like done those kind of things like throw like
Speaker 1: do the backpacking thing, or like just go somewhere and
Speaker 1: like figure it out. Lived your life. Yeah, because now
Speaker 1: I'm like, it seems hard to not to stay in
Speaker 1: a hotel or a nice air being I get like
Speaker 1: stressed out about but like I wish I would have
Speaker 1: done a little more of that. What has um transcendental
Speaker 1: meditation done for you? I mean, it's fucking awesome. Do
Speaker 1: you do it? Do you have a mantra? Okay? He
Speaker 1: said no? Um, so it's like I mean, the short
Speaker 1: answer is it's like turning like taking a twenty minute
Speaker 1: like mental nap twice a day. But it's been a
Speaker 1: great like reset button every single day when you like
Speaker 1: take your time to like do your meditation. And it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's really hard for me. My husband has a really
Speaker 1: easy time with it. Everyone's different, but it's really good
Speaker 1: to just like stop touching things and doing anything and
Speaker 1: staring at anything, and right in this day and age,
Speaker 1: I would say, a screen for twenty minutes twice a day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's right now what it does for me? Blast
Speaker 1: thing I want to ask. You grew up in Detroit
Speaker 1: and you go to DePaul. On the last week of DePaul,
Speaker 1: you get stopped by a woman in a blue raincoat
Speaker 1: and she said maybe you should act and your parents
Speaker 1: very much had a standard trajectory mapped out for you
Speaker 1: that did not involve acting. I don't think, and kind
Speaker 1: of did it, kind of did it. It didn't involve
Speaker 1: me acting and involved me like doing the thing that
Speaker 1: I had just spent four years and all of their
Speaker 1: money that they ever earned learning to do. But yes,
Speaker 1: I guess the core of the questions, do you think
Speaker 1: you have made them proud? Yes, I know I have. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if I was struggling and unhappy, I think
Speaker 1: my parents would be proud of me regardless of what
Speaker 1: I was doing. As long as I was happy. And
Speaker 1: if I was unhappy, I don't think they wouldn't be
Speaker 1: proud of me. They would still be proud of me,
Speaker 1: but they would worry. I think I have got to
Speaker 1: a point where they don't worry about me. So that's
Speaker 1: probably a Midwestern version of pride. I don't know. Do
Speaker 1: you worry about your kids? Yeah, dude, oh my god,
Speaker 1: right now, they got to get to the age where
Speaker 1: you don't worry. Oh my god, I worry more about
Speaker 1: one of them in the other. And I'm I'm sure
Speaker 1: they oh yeah, I'm sure they know. What have you
Speaker 1: learned about being a parent. It's so uh, it's so hard,
Speaker 1: but it's so well. I just I remember like thinking
Speaker 1: so harshly about like things my parents did when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, right, and then when you grow up
Speaker 1: and you do them and you say them, I thought, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to say, for the most part,
Speaker 1: people are just doing the best that they can. Like,
Speaker 1: you just try as hard as you can, and you
Speaker 1: love as hard as you can, and you just do
Speaker 1: your best, and like at some point that just has
Speaker 1: to be enough. You know, like you can't. It's hard
Speaker 1: to be a parent, but you have these ideas of
Speaker 1: like how like you have an idea of what kind
Speaker 1: of parent you're going to be. You know, like I
Speaker 1: almost just equated parenting with shopping on the internet, but
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. But like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: you see a paradeans, no, you see a parajeans online
Speaker 1: and you're like, those are gonna look great at me,
Speaker 1: and you buy them and they come and you look
Speaker 1: gross and you're like, oh, how is I so wrong?
Speaker 1: So you like think, oh, what, I'm a parent, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do this and I'm gonna like always brush their
Speaker 1: teeth and I'm always gonna make healthy food and I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna let them get up until they finished their
Speaker 1: healthy food. And like all these ideas you have in
Speaker 1: your head of what it's going to be like, and
Speaker 1: then life actually starts happening around you and you're like,
Speaker 1: I just got to make sure that like everyone's fed,
Speaker 1: that they know that I love them. Right, they are
Speaker 1: breathing and they are going to school and it's okay. Yes,
Speaker 1: Like wounds are covered when they're outside of the house,
Speaker 1: food is in bellis, sleep has been attempted, and like
Speaker 1: love is felt. Yeah. It's a little bit like you
Speaker 1: being an actor and then becoming a director. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you had ideas about directing, yeah, and then you're like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this, and then
Speaker 1: you did it, yeah, and then you get to set
Speaker 1: and you're just like going crazy, like in a good way,
Speaker 1: like thinking like I'm going to be like this, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, thinking out like I I thought I would.
Speaker 1: I didn't think I would be like as physical as
Speaker 1: I was as a director. I know that doesn't make
Speaker 1: a ton of sense, but I thought like, oh, like
Speaker 1: I'll be like watching the monitor and then giving them
Speaker 1: notes and then seeing another take. But it's like in reality,
Speaker 1: like you're just running constantly. I was like constantly like
Speaker 1: running to the actors, running back to the monitor, like
Speaker 1: running to fix something like I didn't I didn't think
Speaker 1: I would be so Um, I didn't know you had
Speaker 1: to be so hands on. Yeah, and that was really
Speaker 1: fun and cool. But yes, the ideas you have like
Speaker 1: how you're just gonna like figure everything out and nothing's
Speaker 1: going to scare you, even though I knew I was
Speaker 1: going to be scared and I wouldn't know anything, like
Speaker 1: I thought like I would be able to hide it
Speaker 1: or figure it out before. But then when stuff comes
Speaker 1: up and you don't know the answer, you're like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. You're the you know fill in the blank,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, like you're the cinematographer. Will you please
Speaker 1: like help me with this? Yeah? Like do you want
Speaker 1: to go tighter on this? Or do you feel like
Speaker 1: you have it? It's like, uh hmm, do I have
Speaker 1: time to go tighter? Yeah? Yes, great, let's go tighter. Great.
Speaker 1: I remember, um, I think Elizabeth Banks. It was like
Speaker 1: I think it was her that said once or I
Speaker 1: saw her party before I started directing, and she was like,
Speaker 1: just have fun, like, just have fun, and that was
Speaker 1: such a good piece of advice, like just enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Like no one knows what they're doing, no one cares.
Speaker 1: Just have a good time and everyone will have fun
Speaker 1: and you'll all figure it out. That's kind of what happened. Also,
Speaker 1: I wasn't making like a dark, scary horror movie, so
Speaker 1: although I will say it's really fun to make a
Speaker 1: horror movie that I've never projected one obviously, But anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was a good advice because I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day I would drive home every
Speaker 1: day like super tired and super excited to go back
Speaker 1: to work the next day. Well, I've had fun on this,
Speaker 1: so me too. Have you been hasn't been an okay time? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was great. Thanks for having me on, Judy agree anytime?
Speaker 1: So okay. Special thanks this week to Gillian Roscoe, Tory Smith,
Speaker 1: and Michelle Proctor. Judy Greer's directorial debut, A Happening of
Speaker 1: Monumental Proportions, is now out in theaters around the country.
Speaker 1: To learn more about Judy, you can do so at
Speaker 1: our website at www dot com, easypod dot com. But
Speaker 1: this is your first time listening. We've also done episodes
Speaker 1: this year with folks like Chloe's how Alias shaw Hat,
Speaker 1: Josh Radner, Coleman Domingo. We've had a bunch of wonderful
Speaker 1: people on who can find all those on our website, iTunes, SoundCloud,
Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. As always, the show is
Speaker 1: an executive produced by David Chen. Graphics by Ian Jones,
Speaker 1: illustrations by Krishna Shannai. Our associate producer is Elliott Weintrob
Speaker 1: and the show is produced by Dylan Peck. I'm San Fragoso.
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to talk Easy. See you next week.