Speaker 1: What's assassinating my John Letton why why why? Sophy? Why
Speaker 1: did I say that? I don't know? Why would anyone
Speaker 1: say such a terrible thing? That's what I want to know, Probert.
Speaker 1: I'm simply asked you why you would start like why?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Nobody knows, Sophie. That's the most important
Speaker 1: thing is that no one knows why things happen, where
Speaker 1: they happen, or who they happen too. But this is
Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards podcast, bad people tell you all about
Speaker 1: them and uh, Normally this is a podcast where I
Speaker 1: read a story about a bad person to somebody who's
Speaker 1: coming in cold, But today I am the person who
Speaker 1: is Chili, who was who is coming in frigid frost
Speaker 1: on my shoulders as I talk to my good buddy Chris, Chris,
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Do are you okay? It is
Speaker 1: thundering incredibly ominously, which I feel like is a good
Speaker 1: for the story. Yes, ominous thunder nothing better, turn up
Speaker 1: your mic pick up, let's get some of that on
Speaker 1: the line. It's like I can like feel stuff shaking
Speaker 1: a little bit. It's a is a is a pretty
Speaker 1: impressive thunder round. Yeah that's good. Um, How are we?
Speaker 1: What do we? What do we? What are we? What
Speaker 1: are we today? What are we talking about? Who are we?
Speaker 1: Where are we? Robert? We were told that after the
Speaker 1: war the Nazis vanished without a trace, But about Nazis
Speaker 1: that they went away forever after the war, still dream
Speaker 1: of a master race. The history books they tell us
Speaker 1: of their defeat and forty five. But Robert, why did
Speaker 1: they all come out of the woodwork on the day
Speaker 1: the Nazi died? Okay, I've I've done. I've done my
Speaker 1: obligatory chumbawompo, and so now I can answer that actual question.
Speaker 1: That was a good Thanks Chris. I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: throw up. I'm gonna have to one but some chumbas
Speaker 1: later on here, But I'll let that be something that
Speaker 1: we build to. The funny thing is my favorite version
Speaker 1: of the song actually isn't the Chumba Womba version. It's
Speaker 1: the what was it? The Stockholms Women's Anti Fascist Choir
Speaker 1: did a version of it that rules very good. That
Speaker 1: does sound nice, Yes, it was, it was. It's very exciting.
Speaker 1: And the other thing that's exciting is that the answer
Speaker 1: to that question is that it turns out after the
Speaker 1: day the Nazi died, the Nazis came out of the
Speaker 1: woodwork and they all joined the World Anti Communist League.
Speaker 1: Is there we go? There we go? Yes, these guys,
Speaker 1: guys a bunch of real freaks and weirdos. Somewhat weirdly
Speaker 1: for a story that is about a lot of Nazis,
Speaker 1: were actually not starting in Germany the actual story here. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, what are the sort of consistent themes of
Speaker 1: this entire episode? Is stuff happening around the orbit of
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union and so the I guess you could
Speaker 1: technically start the story in Ukraine, but I didn't do that. Instead,
Speaker 1: I'm starting it in China in the nine and this
Speaker 1: is a year in which the Soviets are going to
Speaker 1: create a monster that will haunt them untill the day
Speaker 1: of the USSR collapses, and that monster is called the
Speaker 1: KMT or the Chinese the Chinese Nationalist Party. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: people who know the history of this are going to
Speaker 1: be like, Chris, have you lost your mind? What do
Speaker 1: you mean the Soviets created the MT? And the answer
Speaker 1: is yes, I have lost my mind, but is for
Speaker 1: reasons that are completely unrelated to this. What for reasons
Speaker 1: that are related to the Daily Show. We all agreed
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah that yeah, and also also this episode.
Speaker 1: But yes, the Daily Show. Um, I who what a
Speaker 1: good idea that was. I genuinely I cannot believe I
Speaker 1: was sober. Well I agreed to that incredible hitty, widely
Speaker 1: baffling decisions. Yeah, very very happy. We got multiple other
Speaker 1: people brought on problem, say Brbard and I were not
Speaker 1: sober when we agree to that. I mean that explains
Speaker 1: a lot. I was sober last in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: So anyway, okay, yeah, that's that's that's a pretty recent so. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we've actually talked about this period all the way
Speaker 1: back in the world episode by the Chinese Warlord period
Speaker 1: that I did. Um So the Nationalist Party or the
Speaker 1: CAMT is by by Chinese standards, even in like they
Speaker 1: are pretty old political formation by Chinese standards. Um, it's
Speaker 1: founded in night in eight nine by Sunday at Send,
Speaker 1: but no idea it went back that far. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird. So it's it's there are two
Speaker 1: different dates. You see about it found that there's one
Speaker 1: date where Sunny at Send starts an organization that joins
Speaker 1: another organization. But yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty. It's it's
Speaker 1: really like the oldest of the sort of continuous like
Speaker 1: Chinese revolutionary groups that come out of the sort of
Speaker 1: pre overthrow of the Chandannasty era, and you know, it
Speaker 1: does a lot of stuff. They do a bunch of revolutions,
Speaker 1: but by twenty three they're just a disaster. They're they're
Speaker 1: a complete mess. They're there organizational mess or political mess.
Speaker 1: Militarily is a mass financially is a mess like this
Speaker 1: is supposed to be like a mass political party. Right,
Speaker 1: they're trying to take over all of China. They don't
Speaker 1: they don't even have a newspaper. It is it is,
Speaker 1: this is this is China's Democratic Party. Yeah. And the USSR,
Speaker 1: having failed in their attempt to sort of bring revolution
Speaker 1: to the West via like the Red Army storming through
Speaker 1: Eastern Europe, the consequences of which we will get back
Speaker 1: to in a second. Uh, the os of turns attention
Speaker 1: East and Sun yet send the Bolsheviks come to an
Speaker 1: agreement in which the Soviets start sending advisors and weapons
Speaker 1: to arm the KMT and the war against the sort
Speaker 1: of Chinese warlords and chief among those people as a
Speaker 1: guy named Michale board and actually don't know if it's
Speaker 1: Michael or Michale, probably Kale. If they're Russian, you always
Speaker 1: say my Stuffale, Michale Borden. Who's He's like, that's a
Speaker 1: Russian nash name. He's he's a he's like a yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good one. Mhm. He's like he's like the Bolsheviks,
Speaker 1: Bolshevik Like he's a very very old school like guy
Speaker 1: guy guy who left the Bund and joined the Bolsheviks
Speaker 1: in like nineteen three. Yeah, he has this like impeccable
Speaker 1: sort of revolutionary credentials smelled Linen's morning breath like that
Speaker 1: that close. Yeah, yeah, And he's about to make one
Speaker 1: of the worst mistakes the USSR has ever made, which
Speaker 1: is pretty impressive if you look at the history of
Speaker 1: the USR, Yeah, which includes the largest lake in the
Speaker 1: world that they killed. Yeah, it's it's pretty remarkable. And
Speaker 1: like this one, I probably killed more people than than
Speaker 1: losing that lake, which is yeah. I look, I'm a
Speaker 1: big believer that like fuck lakes, fuck them all, kill
Speaker 1: every lake. I mean, look, hey, you you two can
Speaker 1: be come. The Soviet Union way wage a protractive people's
Speaker 1: war against lakes exactly this. This is my opinion. When
Speaker 1: the revolution comes, the first thing we need to deal
Speaker 1: with is not the fascists. You know, it's not not
Speaker 1: not like control of the far right in in Florida
Speaker 1: or wherever. We got a nuke the great Lakes, not
Speaker 1: the cities. We got a nuke the lakes themselves. That's
Speaker 1: the only thing that's going to protect a Soviet I know,
Speaker 1: I know what you're gonna say, but I need you
Speaker 1: to listen to a song called the Wreck of the
Speaker 1: Edmund Fitzgerald by Gordon Lightfoot, and then tell me those
Speaker 1: lakes don't have some vengeance coming. We're not blowing up
Speaker 1: the lake. We could, we shouldn't. Your slogan a nuke
Speaker 1: for every lake, a nuke for every lake, Christopher, well,
Speaker 1: for all the great ones his side, Fuck them lakes.
Speaker 1: That is the official stance of cool zone media on
Speaker 1: the watching the lakes. Yeah. Absolutely, it would be good
Speaker 1: for everybody. It'll bring in tourism to whatever cities people
Speaker 1: have on those fucking lakes. It'll be good for people.
Speaker 1: That's just science, that's just mathematics. This has going on
Speaker 1: so long. Please please save us from this Chris So
Speaker 1: speaking speaking speaking of saving people from things so bored
Speaker 1: in with with Sonia send sort of helping approval turns
Speaker 1: to camp to you into like a modern mass political party.
Speaker 1: With this sort of centralized organization and the centralized political apparatus,
Speaker 1: they get an actual like ideology and as it's going
Speaker 1: to become very important later on in the story, the
Speaker 1: party starts to develop political and ideological discipline um and
Speaker 1: and as part of this effort, the Nationalists send Shankai
Speaker 1: Check to the U. S SR to study Soviet military
Speaker 1: and ideological techniques, and when he comes back, they put
Speaker 1: him in charge of a sort of new Soviet style
Speaker 1: military academy from which he is going to build an
Speaker 1: absolutely enormous power based in the army because he's the
Speaker 1: guy who is now training all of the officers. But
Speaker 1: the Soviets are like this is fine. They call him
Speaker 1: the Red General like Chika. Check like shakes hands with
Speaker 1: Stalin and everything seems to be going great, except there's
Speaker 1: there's there's one minor problem here. Schenkai Check is not
Speaker 1: a communist. He has not a leftist at all. He's
Speaker 1: like base. Basically, he's a gangster who's like kind of nationalist. Now.
Speaker 1: The other thing that that's that's extremely bad about all
Speaker 1: of this is that sun yet Send dies and shankay
Speaker 1: Check is pretty rapidly able to take control of the
Speaker 1: party now now, And the everything that's happening here is
Speaker 1: it even by the sort of Soviet standards, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is pre Stalin like fully taking control.
Speaker 1: So even by Soviet standards, the the news sort of
Speaker 1: came to your organization is incredibly centralized, and the person
Speaker 1: at the top of it has an enormous amount of
Speaker 1: political power. And so you know, Chan takes over the
Speaker 1: party and he also sort of personally commands the loyalty
Speaker 1: of this new generation of officers who've been trained by
Speaker 1: the Soviets, has about of Soviet weapons, and you know
Speaker 1: the result of this is that he now has the
Speaker 1: best army of any Chinese political faction. And what what
Speaker 1: has happened here is that the Soviets have an essence
Speaker 1: like they they've built a party in their own image, right.
Speaker 1: They They've built this party that's designed with this sort
Speaker 1: of like ruthless efficiency and stamping out kind of revolutionaries,
Speaker 1: and they have handed it to a fanatical anti communist
Speaker 1: drug lord who immediately turns around and uses it to
Speaker 1: massacre like the entire Chinese urban working class and the
Speaker 1: first of his white terrors. Now that seems bad for organ, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's not good. My my favorite part, I think
Speaker 1: I told the story and in the last episode. My
Speaker 1: favorite part about this though, is that like, okay, so
Speaker 1: Shankai check is like killing the communist right in the
Speaker 1: communists are like, they go to the Soviet Union, They're like, hey,
Speaker 1: what should we do? And the Soviet Union is like
Speaker 1: they're having some kind of like Trotsky and Stalin are
Speaker 1: having some kind of argument, and the line that comes
Speaker 1: out of them is like, well, you guys have to
Speaker 1: like stay allied with this party that is murdering you.
Speaker 1: And it's just like yeah, and then they all die. Right,
Speaker 1: he kills something like a million people. Um, okay, so
Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty serious set rhymes against him and there, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's really bad and this is this is this
Speaker 1: is this is the Soviets doing great stuff. But you know, okay,
Speaker 1: so Chanka kills kills about a million people trying to
Speaker 1: wipe on the Chinese left. But we can we can
Speaker 1: ask ourselves another question, which is, how did this actually
Speaker 1: go for Shankai Shack in the long term. And this
Speaker 1: is a question that could be answered by answering the
Speaker 1: very simple question, Robert who actually won the Chinese Civil War?
Speaker 1: Was it China technically? So it went well, yeah, went great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's this is this is this is why Taiwan
Speaker 1: and China are currently one country run by the Chinese
Speaker 1: national government. Yes, yeah, yeah, it's it's great. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you listen to America for roughly a generation and
Speaker 1: a half, Taiwan is China and the only Chinese government
Speaker 1: that we need to worry about. Yeah, we we will.
Speaker 1: We will come back to that because that that turns
Speaker 1: out to be a thing in this story. But you know,
Speaker 1: so so Chakai check, like the net effect of Schenkai
Speaker 1: checks like incredibly vehement anti communism is that he creates
Speaker 1: another monster who is going to absolutely destroy him. That
Speaker 1: that that that person, of course being mause a Dung.
Speaker 1: And you know when when you sort of like take
Speaker 1: kind of macro view of this, right, this whole thing
Speaker 1: is a cycle, right, the Bolsheviks are the monster that
Speaker 1: sort of capitalism unleash when they crushed the Paris Commune.
Speaker 1: The Bolsheviks created the modern cam T, and the KMT,
Speaker 1: you know, like slaughters the entire urbans, like Chinese Communist Party,
Speaker 1: and they you know, they unleash another monster by turning
Speaker 1: the CCP into the sort of the peasant army that
Speaker 1: Mao is going to use to crush the KMT themselves
Speaker 1: after War two. But you know, the problem here, and
Speaker 1: the problem for this story is that Mao didn't actually
Speaker 1: finish off the KMT that you know, they retreat to
Speaker 1: Taiwan after losing civil war, and they're able to do
Speaker 1: this because the KMT forces that were occupying Taiwan do
Speaker 1: what they call the February incident. And it's kind of complicated.
Speaker 1: We will one day do a full thing on this,
Speaker 1: but the basics of it is there's an uprising in
Speaker 1: Taiwan against the sort of brutality of the camp occupation,
Speaker 1: and the KMT kills something like twenty thou people in
Speaker 1: a week, and this is like, you know, this is
Speaker 1: a genuine horror right there. They're beheading students. Is a
Speaker 1: lot of people to kill in a week. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can kill maybe five thousand people in a week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to resources we have here at
Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. Yeah, tops five thousand. I think I
Speaker 1: I think if I think you can do five thousand,
Speaker 1: I think you pull everyone else together, we can get
Speaker 1: a number up to maybe seven. Yeah, we have a
Speaker 1: lot of staff. Now, we do have a lot of staff.
Speaker 1: Now we have a lot of staff. Now, Sophie, can
Speaker 1: we can we get some of the numbers people to
Speaker 1: just to just run that by so we we have
Speaker 1: some options on the table. Okay, thank you, Sophie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So so that you know that they came to you
Speaker 1: is like they they're like cutting people, like cutting parts
Speaker 1: of people's faces off and like taking it's it's really bad.
Speaker 1: This is like this is this is like this is
Speaker 1: the maas to be like the foundational like crime of
Speaker 1: modern Taiwanese political history. And it's there's like a huge
Speaker 1: portion of like all of the politics that are gonna
Speaker 1: happen in Taiwan from then until like now are in
Speaker 1: large part because of this um and and if you
Speaker 1: read books about Shankai Check, like well the book books
Speaker 1: that are not about Shanka Check, but we're like Shankai
Speaker 1: Check shows up for some reason. Uh, this is like
Speaker 1: the crime that they always talk about and you know,
Speaker 1: it is really bad. But the thing you have to
Speaker 1: understand about Shankai check is that like this is probably
Speaker 1: not even in his top ten war crimes. Like this
Speaker 1: is a man who once killed four hundred thousand civilians
Speaker 1: by blowing up a single damn after the February incident Taiwan,
Speaker 1: and tell like the nineties is under this thing, this
Speaker 1: thing called the white terror, where you know, the government
Speaker 1: disappears a bunch of people, they kill a bunch of people,
Speaker 1: they torture a bunch of people. But the thing is, again,
Speaker 1: this is his second white terror, right man. And you
Speaker 1: know that's something he and I have in common, because
Speaker 1: that's what people call me when I've had a couple too. Man,
Speaker 1: you tell me that much. You know, Actually I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like I should actually have looked into
Speaker 1: shanke h drug use more because this guy, this guy
Speaker 1: is running a lot of drugs. But you know, but
Speaker 1: the thing about these white terrors, right is it like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the the the the white terror that he does in
Speaker 1: Taiwan is like a genu wine horror, right It's it's
Speaker 1: also he kills something like a twenty five of the
Speaker 1: people at the first white terror killed like this guy good,
Speaker 1: So he's moving in the right direction. A couple more
Speaker 1: terrors and he won't be killing anybody at all. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean the thing that the thing that Shank Check
Speaker 1: does and we're gonna see in the story is that
Speaker 1: he stops. Okay, he doesn't stop killing people in Taiwan,
Speaker 1: but like the number of people he kills in Taiwan
Speaker 1: go down over time, the number of skills this is
Speaker 1: sort of wind, but the number people he kills in
Speaker 1: every other country just starts like rapidly increasing as time
Speaker 1: goes on. Yeah, I mean, you got look, you're gonna
Speaker 1: kill the people somewhere, so I feel like still progress. Yeah,
Speaker 1: We're we're only gonna do a a We're gonna do
Speaker 1: a a soft white terror in Taiwan, and we're going
Speaker 1: to do a hard white terror and Guatemala, so you know.
Speaker 1: And and like I think the thing with Check, right
Speaker 1: is the reason she's not remembered as one of the
Speaker 1: sort of like great historic role historical monsters. Like again,
Speaker 1: this is a guy like killing twenty people in a
Speaker 1: week is like Tuesday for Schenkai Check, and like the
Speaker 1: only reason he's not remembered as this sort of like
Speaker 1: monsters that he's overshadowed once again by like the sort
Speaker 1: of the trio quad thing of Mouse, d Alan, Hitler
Speaker 1: and Churchill. Yeah, there's a lot of people doing like
Speaker 1: he killed a million people and that's that's pretty good numbers.
Speaker 1: Any other he's probably got like yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 1: probably got a million or four million, yeah, which and
Speaker 1: that's solid. Look, don't get me wrong, solid numbers historically,
Speaker 1: Like if you're if you're three four million dead, pretty good,
Speaker 1: you're doing real good as a war criminal on a
Speaker 1: historic level. But man, first half of the twentieth century,
Speaker 1: that ship doesn't even get you on the board, like
Speaker 1: you're like a like a C Lister. It's the Lebron
Speaker 1: james Is of genocide are out in the streets and
Speaker 1: those and there's there's a lot of them like this.
Speaker 1: Fucking Scottie Pippen ass mass murder ain't kind of cut it?
Speaker 1: How was that? Was that? Was that a good basketball
Speaker 1: I mean it depends on who you're asking, but yes,
Speaker 1: thank you, acceptable, but but very subjective. M I approved Scotti.
Speaker 1: Pippen was the only other basketball player I could think of.
Speaker 1: I assume he's not as good as Lebron chicks. I
Speaker 1: mean he would say he is. But mm hmmm yeah,
Speaker 1: so with Schenkai Scheck. But sorry, Bro, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: the thing with Shanki Scheck is that Shanka Check has
Speaker 1: the ability to shoot you if you don't agree with him.
Speaker 1: I don't think Scottie Pippen has the ability to sort
Speaker 1: of like mobilize an entire desquad apparatus to make everyone
Speaker 1: think that he's better than Lebron James. No. No. The
Speaker 1: only basketball player who had a solid death squad apparatus was,
Speaker 1: of course, Shock, are we just going to see how
Speaker 1: many basketball players? How was that? Remember? I liked it?
Speaker 1: I mean it also thank you once again? Did work?
Speaker 1: Thank you? I recently watched the new Adam Sandler basketball movie,
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm I'm very about basketball. What was funny
Speaker 1: about that? Sophie's like every third second in that movie,
Speaker 1: somebody comes on screen, and you I can tell whenever
Speaker 1: they come on that like, oh, that's a famous basketball guy,
Speaker 1: and I'm supposed to have a reaction to the fact
Speaker 1: that he's in this movie too, But it means nothing
Speaker 1: to me. Every time. Yeah, you didn't have me there
Speaker 1: to be like that's who that is, and you're going,
Speaker 1: I don't care, and then blah blah blah blah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the best touchdown. Go Patriots, you were doing so well. Okay,
Speaker 1: Also that's yeah, I don't ever say that in front
Speaker 1: of Chris. By the way, Chris, I will, I will
Speaker 1: go back to my town on these roots and give
Speaker 1: me the dusk squad over. Yah. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you knew this, Chris, but Chris really fucking hates the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Well guess no one's gonna be doing a hole in one.
Speaker 1: I don't know, We're let's get back to the store.
Speaker 1: So Chickai Check in a lot of ways is he
Speaker 1: is incredibly ahead of his time, you know. So so okay,
Speaker 1: you can took a sort of like the periods of
Speaker 1: anti communism, right, and you know, he has this problem
Speaker 1: that he's working. He's working in a period of anti
Speaker 1: communism in which the Nazis exist, and you know what,
Speaker 1: while while the Nazis are around, the Nazis just sort
Speaker 1: of like the top dog of anti communism. Although Chicki
Speaker 1: Check was allied with the Nazis and like his son
Speaker 1: was in the wine that was in the vine Mark
Speaker 1: and he almost led like a He almost led like
Speaker 1: not a division, but he almost led like troops into Poland.
Speaker 1: The only reason he didn't was that he got pulled
Speaker 1: back to Taiwan to like fight off the Japanese. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, I mean this is one of those
Speaker 1: one of the areas of Nazi history that people don't
Speaker 1: get enough, which is that like, while Nazis are pretty
Speaker 1: much tied directly into like white supremacist ship today, the
Speaker 1: o G Nazis were extremely willing to work with people
Speaker 1: who who were of from a variety of different like
Speaker 1: ethnic groups and including fight with them. There was an
Speaker 1: Indian in Pakistani military unit in the s s because again,
Speaker 1: racism changes over time like everything else and innovates. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like that I talked about this before, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there were there were Nazi military advisors, like leading Chinese
Speaker 1: troops in the Battle of Shanghai, and it's it's very weird. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know, Chikai check like he loses this war,
Speaker 1: but but he really has the prototype for the sort
Speaker 1: of second phase of anti communism, which is that if
Speaker 1: you look at the k MT right, he it has
Speaker 1: an incredibly centralized party, ideological party, apparatus. It has a
Speaker 1: bunch of desk squads um, and it's funding itself as
Speaker 1: an anti communistic treadorship via the drug trade. So he
Speaker 1: he is doing he is like forty years ahead of
Speaker 1: everyone who is doing anti communism. And so what two
Speaker 1: of two of the two journalists whose book I'm going
Speaker 1: to be using for a lot of this, uh gotten
Speaker 1: John Lee Anderson, their true journalists who grew up in
Speaker 1: Taiwan Uto the military educatorship, And they called this model
Speaker 1: of anti communist party the death squad party for reasons
Speaker 1: that we will see shortly. And yeah, they're they're, they're
Speaker 1: they're they're going to be spending a lot of time
Speaker 1: exporting this to other places. Now, what sort of interesting
Speaker 1: is that Shankay Shaik was like hated by like every
Speaker 1: American officer who had to interact with him to World
Speaker 1: War Two, which like yeah, yeah, no no ship Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: me too, buddy. I also hate this guy, but I'm
Speaker 1: admittedly biased because his government tried to publicly execute one
Speaker 1: of my great uncles. Okay, well what was your great
Speaker 1: uncle doing though? How was he dressed? He was dressed
Speaker 1: pretty well. Here, that's a long story. There's a long
Speaker 1: story about what exactly happened there, but and he eventually did.
Speaker 1: He did in fact survive. However, I'm still holding it
Speaker 1: against him for trying to publicly execute him. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: but you know it's weird. So what while the civil
Speaker 1: war is going on and will wear to everyone hates him,
Speaker 1: but the moment he loses the civil war, he becomes
Speaker 1: the US celebri what's called the China Lobby in the
Speaker 1: US where these like hardline anti communists whose thinks that
Speaker 1: they want to like help Shenkai check in. He's just
Speaker 1: incredible delusion that one day he's gonna like invade China
Speaker 1: again and retake the homeland like and like he like
Speaker 1: the government in Taiwan. It made my mom, who was
Speaker 1: like five, singing songs about how they were going to
Speaker 1: reclaim them other land one day. It was just good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this place is like like it is a just sort
Speaker 1: of incredibly neurotic, like sort of totelitarian military candorship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel I mean, first off, squad goals. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that that that that sounds like it could be a
Speaker 1: problem to live under. Yeah, but you know, and of course,
Speaker 1: like the people who backed and of course are the
Speaker 1: best and brightest of the people in American politics. You
Speaker 1: have h Douglas MacArthur. Oh, yeah, one right, this is
Speaker 1: this is fresh after he attempted to start a nuclear
Speaker 1: war in order to distract from the fact that he
Speaker 1: had completely fucked the war in Korea. Yep, uh uh,
Speaker 1: there's a There's another another very famous person you probably know,
Speaker 1: Joseph McCarthy, better known for other works. Yeah, oh, god,
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, Joe McCarthy, slick Joe, known for great guy,
Speaker 1: nothing bad. Yeah, great, and and and so so that
Speaker 1: the KMT and their American allies started like looking for
Speaker 1: other sort of like fanatical anti communists, like a listed
Speaker 1: their cause, and this search eventually leads them to the
Speaker 1: formation of the Bold Anti Communist League. Um. One of
Speaker 1: the people who they find is Perk junk Key, who
Speaker 1: is the build Well okay, he's the second military dictator
Speaker 1: of South Korea. And I keep saying we're gonna do
Speaker 1: an episode about him one day, and I promise will.
Speaker 1: But there's there's so much wild ass, especially in this
Speaker 1: period Korean history, that people, yeah this guy states don't
Speaker 1: know funk all about. It's really good, real good ship.
Speaker 1: This guy like this is a guy who so he
Speaker 1: fought for Japanese in World War Two and okay, so
Speaker 1: like there are a lot of Japanese people who who
Speaker 1: were forced to like conscripted into fighting the Japanese army. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the way Perk Chunky is not one of those guys.
Speaker 1: He fought for the Japanese Empire because he loved like
Speaker 1: from from pure ideology. He was like, you look at
Speaker 1: the Japanese Empire. I was like, oh, should I love this?
Speaker 1: And you know, like he is, he's incredibly fascists, like
Speaker 1: this is the guy who knows Suka Kishi talked to
Speaker 1: you after the war and was like, whoa buddy, you
Speaker 1: gotta tone the fascism shipped down a little bit, like
Speaker 1: it's it's it's wild and and you know, but like
Speaker 1: like just okay, utterly inexplicably, this is this is the
Speaker 1: second like second Communist decision in this episode that I'm
Speaker 1: just like, what are you guys doing? They the Communist
Speaker 1: let him join the Communist Party, and this is just
Speaker 1: baffling to me, Like here is a dude who literally
Speaker 1: fought for the Japanese on purpose, and you know, the
Speaker 1: Communy Party looks at him I was like, what should
Speaker 1: we do with him? Boss? I know, let's let him
Speaker 1: in the party. And so he like immediately gets arrested
Speaker 1: and just instantly like the fastest ratting I've ever seen
Speaker 1: in my entire life, just like rats on his comrades
Speaker 1: to the government, which like like okay, so I I
Speaker 1: am in principle against snitching. I also like really don't
Speaker 1: understand what the communists were expecting. What's gonna happen here?
Speaker 1: Like you you brought in a guy who fought for
Speaker 1: the Japanese army on purpose. Of course he was instantly
Speaker 1: going to betray you, like really baffling stuff. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean the Korean communists, but so in he cused the
Speaker 1: governments and he's the guy who like really fully brings
Speaker 1: Korea on board. But this whole sort of like well
Speaker 1: anti Communist league thing. He starts sending like generals and
Speaker 1: like k c I a guys to the league. Um.
Speaker 1: The movies are also a big part of this. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna talk about that here because I have a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go listen to a lot and then make your own
Speaker 1: electronically fired blunderbuss um. Yeah, that's that's the official stance
Speaker 1: of this show. I look, I just they deserve it.
Speaker 1: So the other BEJA group that that's involved in the
Speaker 1: creation of the World Anti Communist League is called the
Speaker 1: Anti Bullshwit Block of Nations. To the a b N
Speaker 1: and the a BIEN are a bunch of people who
Speaker 1: they're united by like two things. One is that they
Speaker 1: really hate the Soviets. The second thing the united by
Speaker 1: is that they did the Holocaust. So yeah, the the
Speaker 1: a b N was was founded by a guy named
Speaker 1: Yaroslav Stetsko, who I think if if you've been like
Speaker 1: looking into Ukrainian history in the last like you know here,
Speaker 1: you probably you might know who this guy is. He's
Speaker 1: the guy who was chosen by Stepan Bandera to be
Speaker 1: the second in command of a bay formed organization of
Speaker 1: Ukrainian nationalists and that didn't wind up going anywhere. Oh
Speaker 1: yeah no it look it completely stalled out. They never
Speaker 1: ended up fighting. Are fine, everything's great, look like they
Speaker 1: they did not end up fighting for the Nazis in
Speaker 1: Operation Barbarossa. Uh he Stetzico does not walk into the
Speaker 1: city of Levolve along side a bunch of guys in
Speaker 1: the fine mark Um and immediately start doing the Holocaust. Uh,
Speaker 1: none of this ever happens. Uh, they didn't kill seven
Speaker 1: thousand people in like I think, I think a week
Speaker 1: most most of you were honestly compared to kaishek numbers.
Speaker 1: That's that's rookie. Yeah, well, I mean it's weird because like, okay, so,
Speaker 1: like in any other group of people, like this guy is,
Speaker 1: you know, a world historical monster. He's kind of on
Speaker 1: the B team in terms of like the people in
Speaker 1: this episode, maybe the C team. So the thing that
Speaker 1: he does is so he gets into low Off and
Speaker 1: he immediately declares like a new independent like Ukrainian state
Speaker 1: with him as a leader. And I'm just gonna read
Speaker 1: from the speech that he gave when he's declaring this
Speaker 1: independent Ukrainian state, the Ukrainian State will corrupt, will closely
Speaker 1: cooperate with Great National Socialist Germany, which under the leadership
Speaker 1: of Adolf Hitler, will create a new order in Europe
Speaker 1: and throughout the world. The Ukrainian Army will fight together
Speaker 1: with the Allied German Army for the new order in
Speaker 1: the world. Well, it didn't quite happen, um, So that's yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean, well, yeah, it doesn't. Never choos into
Speaker 1: one of the Nazis. Lose two was that he instantly
Speaker 1: gets arrested because the Nazis were like, hey, you guys
Speaker 1: didn't tell us that you were going to declare an
Speaker 1: independent state. Like what do you know? We don't We
Speaker 1: don't want there to be a Ukraine. Yeah, and this
Speaker 1: is something we're in agreement with the Russians about, Actually
Speaker 1: we don't want this country to exist. Yeah, and and
Speaker 1: you know, so, so you just start in prison. Assico
Speaker 1: like does like after after the war, he will claim
Speaker 1: that like he was put in a concentration camp and
Speaker 1: the Nazis like persecuted him and like this is kind
Speaker 1: of true, but like okay, so the thing, the thing
Speaker 1: that they put him under is called quote honorary arrest,
Speaker 1: and he's like he's in like the nice prison and
Speaker 1: they let him out like a few times, like during
Speaker 1: this while is going on, so we can coordinate more stuff,
Speaker 1: and they let him out just like entirely because the
Speaker 1: war is going so badly, they were like, screwt, let's
Speaker 1: throw the Ukrainians at the at the Russians. And he
Speaker 1: and Bendera formed this thing called the the Ukrainian Insurgent Army,
Speaker 1: which fights the Red me and they also do some
Speaker 1: like incredibly half ass fighting of the Nazis, which was
Speaker 1: like largely as best I could tell, this largely seems
Speaker 1: to be so they could like say that we fought
Speaker 1: the Nazis. Um I'm gonna'm gonna read a passage here
Speaker 1: from the book Transnational Anti Communism in the Cold War
Speaker 1: about what happened next at the end of ninety three
Speaker 1: in the forest of Oh God, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to pronounce this, Joe Timir Gasalia, the west part of
Speaker 1: the Western part of Ukraine, these same Ukrainian nationalists held
Speaker 1: the first clandestine Congress of the Anti Bolshevik Block of
Speaker 1: Nations the a b N, creating at the same time
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian National Army the u p A. The u
Speaker 1: p A then took part in attacks on the retreating
Speaker 1: Fine Mark while at the same time harassing the Red Army,
Speaker 1: the Communist Partisans and Jewish citizens due to their suspected
Speaker 1: Communist sympathies. The up A, consisting of around seventy thousand guerillas,
Speaker 1: were joined by fragments of the s s Is Ukraine, Belarusian,
Speaker 1: Russian and Cozak battalions, as well as Hungarian, Romanian, Soviet,
Speaker 1: Baltic and Georgian deserters. Now the author is being like
Speaker 1: a bit you kind the u p A here the
Speaker 1: main reason that they are quote hurt that they quote
Speaker 1: harassed Jewous citizens because like an enormous number of these
Speaker 1: are just people are just like fanatical anti Semites. But
Speaker 1: this is the birth of the anti bullshet block of nations. UM.
Speaker 1: And again like let's go this. This is a guy
Speaker 1: who fought for the Nazis. He probably has the lowest
Speaker 1: body counts of the next like four groups I'm going
Speaker 1: to talk about. UM. Also in the anti Bullshevik block
Speaker 1: of nations something called the Croatian Liberation Movements UM. The
Speaker 1: Creation Liberation Movement was led by a guy named Stefan
Speaker 1: Heffer who formed it alongside Anti Pavlovic, who is the
Speaker 1: founder of the Eustacia. Now the Sasha are a. There
Speaker 1: there a creation fascist organization that fought alongside the Nazis,
Speaker 1: and we're giving control of a new sort of Creatian
Speaker 1: fascist puppet state with Anton Pavlovic as as its leader. UM.
Speaker 1: Here here's from the Holocaust Museum about what happened next
Speaker 1: at a concentration camp called judosovic I did learn how
Speaker 1: to pronounce it and then immediately forgot. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of concentration camps. Yeah, well this is this is the
Speaker 1: third largest camp in Europe. Um. So between this is
Speaker 1: the yeah, this is from the holocaustmus album. Between its
Speaker 1: establishment in nineteen forty one and it's evacuation in April,
Speaker 1: n Croad authorities a bird hundreds of thousands of people
Speaker 1: at Josephec. Among the victims were between forty five thousand
Speaker 1: and fifty two thousand Serbian residents of the so called
Speaker 1: Independent State of Croatia, between twelve thousand and twenty thousand Jews,
Speaker 1: between fifteen thousand and twenty thousand Roma, between five thousand
Speaker 1: and twelve thousand ethnic Croats and Muslims who are political
Speaker 1: opponents of the regime. The Croad authorities murdered between three
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty thousand and three hundred and forty thousand
Speaker 1: Ethnics Serb residents of Croatian Bosnia. During the period of
Speaker 1: Eustachia rule, more than thirty thousand Croatian Jews were killed
Speaker 1: either in Croatia or at Auschwitz. And to put this
Speaker 1: into perspective, that is over seventy of like all Croatian
Speaker 1: Jews who are killed by the Usasia during the Holocaust.
Speaker 1: And the thing about this camp is that, like unlike
Speaker 1: the rest of the concentration camps in Europe, they don't
Speaker 1: have gas chambers. They are they are doing all of
Speaker 1: these killings by hand. And it's not just that they're
Speaker 1: doing this by hands. Um, I'm gonna read this a
Speaker 1: thing from the truth, I mean, yeah, yeah. The late
Speaker 1: josh Alamani, who served as h as presidents of the
Speaker 1: Belgrade Jewish community, described Josephic as barbaric, saying that the
Speaker 1: murders were predominantly carried out manually. Very seldom did they
Speaker 1: use bullets, he said, because they believe the victims didn't
Speaker 1: merit it. Al Mooney described some of the Eustace's methods,
Speaker 1: which included cutting the eyes out of their victims and
Speaker 1: slitting their throats, throwing life prisoners into brick fursts, and
Speaker 1: poisoning children. And you know, you've talked a lot about
Speaker 1: on this show about how the Nazis, like, we're trying
Speaker 1: to execute use by firing squad and they couldn't psychologically
Speaker 1: handle it. And that's you know, that's why they with
Speaker 1: the gas chambers, the Eustachi can do this, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: then they keep doing for the entire war. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: there's I mean, one of the many stories about the
Speaker 1: Holocaust hasn't told enough is that like the actual German
Speaker 1: uh ss were not nearly the most brutal war criminals
Speaker 1: on the Nazi side, Um, the Eustache fucking nightmare people.
Speaker 1: And there's like if you look at what's happening in
Speaker 1: the fucking Balkans during this period, if I'm like, what's
Speaker 1: going down and what becomes Serbia and Bosnia and how
Speaker 1: the genocides are being conducted there by Nazi allies, Like
Speaker 1: it's a lot of the same thing, which is like
Speaker 1: we'll just we'll just strangle people, will just cut their
Speaker 1: heads off by the thousands, Like we don't need waste
Speaker 1: bullets on their ship, We don't need gas chambers. Like
Speaker 1: the the very as is often the case in wars,
Speaker 1: like the nastiest fucking ship happens in these these places
Speaker 1: like the Balkans and chunks of Eastern Europe that um,
Speaker 1: and with soldiers from those areas, where like there's there's
Speaker 1: already when the war hits kind of a heightened level
Speaker 1: of acceptance of violence just because of ship in the
Speaker 1: recent past, and like the the most nightmare stories come
Speaker 1: from a lot of those those places kind of on
Speaker 1: the fringes of the Nazi power. Yeah, and like like
Speaker 1: these like the Saal like gets to the the point where
Speaker 1: like the there there there there is they're like their
Speaker 1: instances were like the Nazis dis banned their units because
Speaker 1: they're like what they're doing. They're like hey, guys, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're a bit well, I mean there's a thing a
Speaker 1: number of things because like again it's bad for morale,
Speaker 1: like Nazis. Nazis are complaining about what some of these
Speaker 1: units are doing. Yeah, this isn't what soldiers do, right.
Speaker 1: Um is the attitude some folks have, like it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a mess um. Yeah. And so Stephan HiFER who
Speaker 1: who she's going to become an important world anti communist
Speaker 1: leader and a member of the sort of event it's
Speaker 1: good block of nations because he seems like a good guy.
Speaker 1: He was the governor general of Barana County when in
Speaker 1: the new Nazi Croatian State and uh Anton Pavo Vick.
Speaker 1: He was again the founder of the Eustachi is the
Speaker 1: founder one of the founders of the Croatian Liberation Movement,
Speaker 1: which is the Croatian representative at the a b N.
Speaker 1: It's great, um have careers, great Robert, is it products
Speaker 1: and services? Let me tell you confusingly, we are sponsored
Speaker 1: by the Eustachi UM. A lot of people will say
Speaker 1: why are you sponsored by the Eustachi And I'll say
Speaker 1: you should check out their promo code. Are we doing, Sophie,
Speaker 1: no words, I've got nothing not not happy about that.
Speaker 1: Well that just that happened. Here's ads uh, yes, all right.
Speaker 1: So meanwhile, the Romanian delegation of of the a b
Speaker 1: N is a bunch of people from the Iron Guard,
Speaker 1: who is a Romanian fascist organization that did this in
Speaker 1: a fascion s up raising in n A mob of
Speaker 1: several hundred attack the Sephardic Temple, American correspondent lay White
Speaker 1: reported at the time, smashing its windows with stones and
Speaker 1: battering down its doors with lengths of timber. All objects
Speaker 1: of ritual prayer books, shaws, talmoods, Torah's altar, benches and
Speaker 1: tapestries were carried outside and piled into a heap which
Speaker 1: is soaked in gasoline. Instet of fire. A number of
Speaker 1: Jewish pedestrians were herded together and forced to dance in
Speaker 1: a circle around the bonfire. When they dropped an exhaustion,
Speaker 1: they were doused and gasoline and burned alive. And I
Speaker 1: cut the description off. It gets way worse after that, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if if doused in gasoline and burned alive is like
Speaker 1: that before we really put our foot on the gas.
Speaker 1: It gets like they are All I will say about
Speaker 1: that is they are incredibly they are incredibly specific. And
Speaker 1: how they use their anti Semitism to kill people, it's like,
Speaker 1: it's it's stuff you couldn't It's stuff you couldn't write
Speaker 1: a solutione serial killer doing. Because yeah, and and this
Speaker 1: is this is uh, this is the Romanian delegation to
Speaker 1: the a b N. Belarus's delegation. Delegation is called the
Speaker 1: Belarusan Liberation Movements. Its representative as a guy named Dmitri Kasmovich,
Speaker 1: who was appointed by the Nazis as the chief of
Speaker 1: police of Smallnesk, where he exterminated using communists. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he also joined an S S commando unit to fight
Speaker 1: the Soviets and was eventually smuggled out of a refugee
Speaker 1: camp by British intelligence and worked for the American Army.
Speaker 1: It's great, and and yeah he hels. So he founded
Speaker 1: this entire thing as a way to spy on the
Speaker 1: Soviets for the US. And at this point we should
Speaker 1: mention that like this entire like just literal group of
Speaker 1: people who did the Holocaust is funded by both the
Speaker 1: US and the UK. UM. The a b N is
Speaker 1: like all over American politics, like they successfully lobby the
Speaker 1: U s they're doing into doing this thing that like
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure by the time this comes out, Biden
Speaker 1: will have also done his version of it, which is
Speaker 1: called a Captive Nation Week, which is like all presidents
Speaker 1: still do this to this day. It's supposed to be
Speaker 1: this thing that like honors nations held captive by authoritarian governments.
Speaker 1: That's nice, it's the it's the it's the political equivalent
Speaker 1: of the like slapping a drowning handmade there you go,
Speaker 1: ords Well, and I also like I really want to
Speaker 1: like just take a moment to appreciate that the United
Speaker 1: States government, which is a state that literally holds hundreds
Speaker 1: of indigenous nations captive and occupies their land, declares cast
Speaker 1: in suations weak, that sends six hundreds and it doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like the America I learned about in Texas. Yeah no,
Speaker 1: and again like they do this become because some dip
Speaker 1: ships from the Eustachi told them seventy years ago. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that our honor of captive nations is the
Speaker 1: honor of the captive nations of racists in particular. That's good,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's all. It's also fun because if you
Speaker 1: look at the declarations of this the only states that
Speaker 1: are like ever mentioned our states that can be like
Speaker 1: sohow vaguely tied to communism, So like you know, they'll
Speaker 1: talk about like we need to these guys had a
Speaker 1: horror on for Rhodesia. Oh yeah yeah, and even Biden.
Speaker 1: Biden released like his statement last year it talks about
Speaker 1: like it talks about like Nick Argua talks about like Cuba.
Speaker 1: It literally no mention whatsoever of Saudi Arabia, which again
Speaker 1: in in my lifetime has invaded what at least two,
Speaker 1: possibly three countries on top of Saudi Arabia. That that
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like the country that Joe Biden would fist bump.
Speaker 1: Come on, so did the a b N starts working?
Speaker 1: Joe Biden fists bumping a Neustaschi militant. That's that's good.
Speaker 1: Reagan got pretty close, like did get close? Like Reagan
Speaker 1: did get close? Um, I don't know. Biden is a
Speaker 1: fifty fifty on that ship. The only thing he's consistently
Speaker 1: good on is hating the British, which I respect. So
Speaker 1: the A b N starts talking with Shankai Shack through
Speaker 1: a bunch of contacts, and they helped train taiwan secret police,
Speaker 1: and they also helped set up Radio Free Asia, which
Speaker 1: is incredibly fun. Um. Now, no contact between the A
Speaker 1: B and the Taiwanese government leads to a nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: six beating of check checks Asian People's Anti Communist League
Speaker 1: and South South Korea with representatives sort of the whole
Speaker 1: global anti comunist when it comes together to do something
Speaker 1: and a hundred and seventy representatives some sixty nations show up,
Speaker 1: and what's it? Just think about this first, like, what's it?
Speaker 1: The interesting thing here is this isn't all fascists. The
Speaker 1: very first meeting where they're trying to figure out who,
Speaker 1: what is going to happen? She's gonna be in this?
Speaker 1: There's like there were like social democrats. You show up
Speaker 1: to this there are like regular conservatives and all of
Speaker 1: these people immediately get run out. Um there's there's this
Speaker 1: group called the Assembly of Captive European Nations who like
Speaker 1: they're not like great people, but they also like didn't
Speaker 1: literally well actually can't verify they didn't literally do the Holocaust,
Speaker 1: but they are they aren't literally the leaders of the
Speaker 1: EUSTASHI and they try to become like not not literally
Speaker 1: running a group so bad that the SS was occasionally alike, guys, yeah,
Speaker 1: like my need to pump them breaks the bar for
Speaker 1: anti communism is like like the bar of like how
Speaker 1: bad you have to be for the anti communists not
Speaker 1: to accept you is like really really really low, and
Speaker 1: like these people keep tripping over it, and you know,
Speaker 1: and these guys are like you know there they cannot
Speaker 1: cannot emphasize enough that the dudes we're talking about are
Speaker 1: quite literally people that like Heinrich Himler would read reports
Speaker 1: about what they were doing and need to have a
Speaker 1: stiff drink. Yeah, like it's and and these guys, you know,
Speaker 1: so so the the sort of moderates try to become
Speaker 1: the delegations of me in Europe and the a bi
Speaker 1: N just like runs them out because the a BN
Speaker 1: is already like tight with the time when he's in
Speaker 1: the time when he's are you know, one of the
Speaker 1: major sort of power blocks here. And the result of
Speaker 1: this is that you know, from the formative meeting of
Speaker 1: the word Anti Communist League, this is just going to
Speaker 1: be a fascist organization. And you know, okay, so we've
Speaker 1: now met two of the three sort of main power
Speaker 1: blocks in the WAL Anti Communist League. Right, there's the
Speaker 1: there's the East Asian blocks centered on Taiwan and South Korea,
Speaker 1: and they also they have support from like South Vietnam
Speaker 1: and like Singapore and the Philippines. But yeah, and the
Speaker 1: core they're sort of type one in South Korea. There's
Speaker 1: there's the a b N Fascist in Europe who are
Speaker 1: again the USACE in the Iron Guard and like their people.
Speaker 1: And now it's time to meet Group number three. This
Speaker 1: is the Latin American Anti Communist Confederation or cal um
Speaker 1: CAL is originally a frind group for a group called
Speaker 1: Los Tecos who are a fascist death squad from the
Speaker 1: Autonomous University of Guadalajara, Mexican fascist. Oh yeah, well these
Speaker 1: guys are great, guy. So so the modern iteration of
Speaker 1: Techos was founded by a guy named Carlos Quaestra Gallardo,
Speaker 1: who was a Mexican Nazi who was doing something in
Speaker 1: Berlin ju O War two. We don't know what. There
Speaker 1: are various rumors, some of them including him like being
Speaker 1: part of the of the group who like decides in
Speaker 1: the final solution, like we don't know. There's there's rumors
Speaker 1: use Hitler secretary, Like it's very unclear she's doing something.
Speaker 1: He's you know, woe Hitler. How hiring people from all backgrounds. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well look if these guys stand and integration focused, king, yeah,
Speaker 1: all you have to do is be like so unfathomably
Speaker 1: anti Semitic that like even the other anti Semites eventually
Speaker 1: are like, you guys are too much. You can't say
Speaker 1: this out loud, like and and so so he survives
Speaker 1: the war and he goes back to Mexico to help
Speaker 1: help establish this like network of like fascist Mexican priests
Speaker 1: who hide people from like the Iron Guard and other
Speaker 1: like fascist collaborators. And these guys are like they're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like the Liberation theology priests and then there's they
Speaker 1: start killing very quick. Yeah, yeah, and these guys are
Speaker 1: like they're convinced that the u N as a Jewish conspiracy.
Speaker 1: They're like they raved constantly about Marxist, the Zionist and
Speaker 1: the Freemasons. And they also think that Vatican too, with
Speaker 1: the Church tax, like a bit to the left is
Speaker 1: a good enough reason to just literally start killing Catholic priests,
Speaker 1: even though again all of these people Catholics a bit
Speaker 1: to the left. All they did was changed the fucking
Speaker 1: liturgy to be in English not Laden. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like this is this is all these people just go
Speaker 1: like there's an entire group like this. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of like Francoists who like sort of go eight like
Speaker 1: it's just like yeah, just one of my favorite things
Speaker 1: about Catholicism is when you get like these Vatican too
Speaker 1: conspiracies where the Church is literally like, well, our religions
Speaker 1: dying because nobody understands what the funk is going on
Speaker 1: in these in these uh in services and stuff. Perhaps
Speaker 1: we could slightly modernize it so that people understand what's
Speaker 1: being said. These guys think the pope is Jewish. They
Speaker 1: literally think this it is classic Jewish person, the Pope. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's this whole thing. And so the Tachos
Speaker 1: are like, they're a des squad, right, they kill people students, Um,
Speaker 1: And the league comes to them and are like, hey,
Speaker 1: you guys are at the Simas. You guys are squads, Like,
Speaker 1: go find other anti comunist squads in Latin American and
Speaker 1: recruittims and we can talk to them. And they do,
Speaker 1: like these guys are literally their football talent scouts. But
Speaker 1: for death squads, well that's good. I mean, look, you
Speaker 1: know how I feel about death squads, Chris Um. If
Speaker 1: you're not getting the good to like, somewhere out there
Speaker 1: is the Lebron James of killing a lot of people
Speaker 1: and pushing their bodies into a crudely dug pit, and
Speaker 1: if you don't find him, you know another death squad
Speaker 1: is going to get him. And then you're not going
Speaker 1: to win the Sophie, what is the basketball Award for
Speaker 1: good at basketball? M Yeah, you're not gonna win the
Speaker 1: m v P. So yeah, look you got it. Well,
Speaker 1: the the every thing against this is very important, right,
Speaker 1: it's so proud of himself. You don't so cool. Thank you, Sophie.
Speaker 1: It's about time you took an interest in one of
Speaker 1: my hobbies. I'm learning. It's real Heisman Trophy Day for
Speaker 1: the death squad people. Okay, I'm gonna turn this to
Speaker 1: a baseball metaphor, which is that, Okay, so the everything
Speaker 1: is happening here, right, is that you have you have
Speaker 1: to build up your roster, right, and you have to
Speaker 1: you have to have to build up. You have to
Speaker 1: build up your sort of like your your minor league system.
Speaker 1: You have to do this that you can train other squads.
Speaker 1: And these guys are about to become the fucking nineties
Speaker 1: Mariners of building up death squads. They have they have
Speaker 1: a bullpin so deep they can fucking like they can.
Speaker 1: They can kick out literal Hall of Fame power hitters
Speaker 1: because they don't need more hitting. They have so many
Speaker 1: death squads. And there's the wade Bogs of death squads
Speaker 1: in this period, by which I mean, who is drinking
Speaker 1: seventy beers on a flight from I don't know Stockholm
Speaker 1: to spelensk Oh What is this guy named Joemo? God?
Speaker 1: I can't remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy, hilariously kind
Speaker 1: of isn't gonna come up. And there there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people who did a lot of assassinations, Who are
Speaker 1: in the who are in the league, who we're not
Speaker 1: going to talk about because they're like just d listers. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: there's so many. So the thing about the c L
Speaker 1: is that they they're very quietly one of the most
Speaker 1: important organizations in the history of the Latin American Cold War,
Speaker 1: and almost nobody's ever heard of them. But one of
Speaker 1: the things that they do is in so these meetings,
Speaker 1: right you get up on a DOES squad showing up
Speaker 1: to it, and you get a bunch of countries like
Speaker 1: sending their intelligence services to these meetings to go like
Speaker 1: talk about with other countries until right wing anti commuist
Speaker 1: intelligence services. And in one of these meetings in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy three, the dictatorships of Brazil and Paraguay agreed to
Speaker 1: exchange information and sort of like coordinate security measures to
Speaker 1: the c i L. Now Paraguay at this point is
Speaker 1: ruled by Alfredo Strassner, who is one of the world
Speaker 1: anti communistly biggest supporters in the man like this guy
Speaker 1: like personally hosts several world anti communist legue conferences. Um.
Speaker 1: He also like he sold eight year olds into sex slavery.
Speaker 1: Um he like the worst thing that he does is
Speaker 1: he does this genocide against the business at shape population. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm going to read from the Washington Post neteen seventies seven.
Speaker 1: And by the way, when when I read this thing,
Speaker 1: you have to understand this. This is from nineteen. There
Speaker 1: were like twenty more years of the genocide that are
Speaker 1: gonna happen after this quote of the chap population living
Speaker 1: in Paraguay since in nineteen have since disappeared. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's pretty bad. Yeah. And you know where did they go? Well, okay,
Speaker 1: they got raped, tortured and murdered by settlers who are
Speaker 1: doing a genocide and to take their land. There were
Speaker 1: like there are these a Chay hunters whose job is
Speaker 1: literally to go out and kidnap a Cha people and
Speaker 1: like force them to live on these like reservations quote
Speaker 1: unquote on their farms. Like they're doing slave raids or
Speaker 1: selling children. They're forcing people stop. Yes, no whatever does
Speaker 1: like this, This goes on. This goes on for the
Speaker 1: like the entire thirty years of like the Straws and
Speaker 1: entertatorship and no, no, not seventy three. Strawson starts coordinating
Speaker 1: his police depression with the Brazilian dtatorship to the CLUM.
Speaker 1: The next year, the CLS Coordinating Council meets Rio Decian
Speaker 1: narrow Um. The Coordinating Council, there's representatives as representatives from Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Columbia,
Speaker 1: l Salvador, Guatemala, Mexico, Paraguay, Uruguay, and also has a
Speaker 1: bunch of Cuban exiles. Um okay, so you know what
Speaker 1: what what are they doing there? Um? This is from
Speaker 1: the book Predatory states. The purpose of the meeting was
Speaker 1: to receive information and to exchange experiences because starting communists
Speaker 1: and pro communists in order to adapt methods that could
Speaker 1: be applied throughout the continent. It was important because one
Speaker 1: of the main resolutions sought to establish system to exchange
Speaker 1: confidential information among member nations. Now, people who know you're
Speaker 1: sort of like Cold War Latin American history are starting
Speaker 1: to perk up right now, because if you studied like
Speaker 1: this stuff, that list sounds really familiar and it should be. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of allies stone into the list, but
Speaker 1: that is the those are the countries that are involved
Speaker 1: in Operation Condor, and that meeting of of the Waranti
Speaker 1: Communist League's Latin American affiliate. The c L was one
Speaker 1: of the first steps towards setting up the Condoor system.
Speaker 1: The next year, there there's like a I guess you
Speaker 1: called a more official meeting, but there's a meeting of
Speaker 1: intelligence services UM from Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay and
Speaker 1: Uruguay to sort of expand cooperation further. And you know
Speaker 1: this turns into Condor. So all right, what what what
Speaker 1: is Operation condor? Um? The last two quotes that I
Speaker 1: sort of pulled are from this book called called Predatory States,
Speaker 1: Operation Condor and Covert War in Latin America. It's it's
Speaker 1: a very good book. I reck when people read it.
Speaker 1: Um it was. It was written by a Long Island
Speaker 1: University political science professor named j. Purtise McSherry. And I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like use the intro that she uses to this,
Speaker 1: which is describing what happened to a guy named Martin Almada,
Speaker 1: who's the guy who rises to forward to the book
Speaker 1: just to like to give you a sense of like
Speaker 1: what this act stuff actually looks like. In Martin Almada
Speaker 1: was dragged out of his house in Paraguay in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night by our friend Alfredo Strassner, after
Speaker 1: which she was tortured for thirty days for quote intellectual
Speaker 1: terrorism and intellectual terrorism. Well, so they bring him in
Speaker 1: and they're trying to figure out what he did, right,
Speaker 1: And the only thing this guy did was he was
Speaker 1: like a leader in a teachers union and he was
Speaker 1: like using the teaching methods of public fieri. And so
Speaker 1: for this they art for him. They forced his wife
Speaker 1: to listen to his screams over the phone for ten days,
Speaker 1: and then they told her that he had been killed,
Speaker 1: at which point his wife dies from a heart attack.
Speaker 1: And yeah, story, yeah at all. And the everthing is
Speaker 1: interesting about Okay, so in some sense, right, like this
Speaker 1: is just this is a thing that military dictatorships do.
Speaker 1: But those wacky military dictatorships all okay, yeah yeah, but
Speaker 1: but you know, like normally, when you get kidnaped by
Speaker 1: a dictatorship, right, there's a bunch of soldiers and like
Speaker 1: spooks from your country, right when this guy always been
Speaker 1: my experience when I've been kidnapped by a military dictatorship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's one. It's one, you know, it's the kadership
Speaker 1: in one country. But but when when this guy gets kidnapped.
Speaker 1: There's military attaches from Argentina, from Brazil, from Bolivia, from Chile,
Speaker 1: and from Uruguay. And eventually Amantic gets released from prison
Speaker 1: after like this giant hunger strike and the huge and
Speaker 1: emazz international Campaig and he starts trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what the funk happened to him, And it turns out
Speaker 1: that Martin Amat and his wife have become very early
Speaker 1: victims of Operation Condor. Oh they're ground trailblazers. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: do you know who else were victims of Operation Condor?
Speaker 1: No won the products and services that support this podcast?
Speaker 1: Exactly zero of those that they almost that's who supports
Speaker 1: our podcast. Man if if only the if only they
Speaker 1: used actually had been the target of Operation Condor, we
Speaker 1: would all live in a better world. No no, But
Speaker 1: instead they're they're they're big into the podcast game. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, there are major backers of the Island where
Speaker 1: we'll let you hunt children for for for sport and
Speaker 1: for food and for food. It's unethical just to hunt
Speaker 1: kids for trophies, you know, gotta cook them risk. Oh god, Sophie,
Speaker 1: that's what the ad, that's the a I'm just reading
Speaker 1: the ad as it was sent to us by the
Speaker 1: and the Ustache people. Okay is the probo code with
Speaker 1: how many ms? Good? That's at least nine ms. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: here's the ads. Oh boy, we're back. No, no segue.
Speaker 1: I'm immediately just going to read a description of ever
Speaker 1: do that voice again? That was uncomfortable? Please continue? No, Sophie, Sophie, Sophie.
Speaker 1: Hey did it? Are you good? How's it going great? Chris? Please?
Speaker 1: The Conjuror system consisted of three levels. The first was
Speaker 1: mutual cooperation among military intelligence services to coordinate political surveillance
Speaker 1: of targeted dissidence and exchange intelligence information. The second was
Speaker 1: covert action, a form of offensive unconventional warfare in which
Speaker 1: the role of the predator remains can see Old multinational
Speaker 1: Condoor squadrons carried out covert cross border operations to detain,
Speaker 1: disappear exiles and transfer them to their countries of origin
Speaker 1: where most discipline or permanently certain. Most secret level was
Speaker 1: Condoor's assassination capability, known as Phase three. Under Phase three,
Speaker 1: special teams of assassins re member countries reformed to travel
Speaker 1: worldwide to eliminate subversive enemies. Phase three was aimed at
Speaker 1: political leaders, especially feared for their potential to mobilize wild
Speaker 1: opinion or organized broad opposition to the military states. So
Speaker 1: what condor is right? It is a bunch of countries.
Speaker 1: It's a Chile, Paraguay, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Ecuador and later
Speaker 1: Peru working together to form just like multinational desk squads
Speaker 1: and using them to like they have these squads and
Speaker 1: kidnapping teams, and they using them to target like internal
Speaker 1: enemies and subversives, who it turns out is just literally
Speaker 1: anyone doesn't support the government. Um, I'm going to read
Speaker 1: a quote from an operative of DINA, which is Pinochet's
Speaker 1: National Intelligence Directorate, which is like they're like the secret police,
Speaker 1: but also the CIA. Oh good, they're they're great, and
Speaker 1: by great. Yeah. One team to operatives explained DINA strategy
Speaker 1: as follows. First the aim was to stop terrorism, then
Speaker 1: possible extrememists we're targeted, and later though she might be
Speaker 1: converted into extremists. Similar language is used in seven by
Speaker 1: Argentine General bitter Co Saint Jean when he said, first
Speaker 1: we kill all the subversives, then we kill all their collaborators,
Speaker 1: then their sympathizers, then all those who remain indifferent. Ah um,
Speaker 1: maybe take notes on that. People who remain indifferent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you too, like unless you are any
Speaker 1: active supporter of the regime. And also you never kiss
Speaker 1: anyone off. Ever, somehow miraculously they're gonna kill you. Two
Speaker 1: it's great. And and this this works on two levels. Um.
Speaker 1: On the one side, there's like there's these internal persia's
Speaker 1: right which which are aided by intelligence from other condrac countries.
Speaker 1: So for example, in night seventy, Argentinian army like stages
Speaker 1: a coup and take control of the country and they
Speaker 1: start was known as the Dirty War, which the government
Speaker 1: disappears thirty thousand people who become known as a disaparsidos.
Speaker 1: One of the fun tactics of the Argentinian Army and
Speaker 1: their des squads was to keep pregnant women alive just
Speaker 1: long enough to force them to have their babies and
Speaker 1: then kill them and steal the babies. Which okay, that
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like good behavior. Yeah and and and you know, okay,
Speaker 1: all of these guys are right wing Catholics. And I'm
Speaker 1: not even going to bother spelling out the comparison to
Speaker 1: fourth verses in the US. I will leave that metaphor
Speaker 1: as an exercise for the listener. And these killings were
Speaker 1: done like part Partly they're done directly by the state,
Speaker 1: and partly they're done by states supported DES squads. In Argentina,
Speaker 1: that des squad is called, uh, the Argentine Anti Communist
Speaker 1: Alliance or Triple A. Here here's McSherry. Oh, that is
Speaker 1: the same Triple A that helps me when I need
Speaker 1: my cartel. You know, I genuinely cancel I I think
Speaker 1: I think the quote I'm about to read there they're
Speaker 1: making a Triple A joke. But I'm on really sure.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes. Just based on the long lines
Speaker 1: that you have to stand in that place, I buy
Speaker 1: it in. In November nineteen seventy three, the Triple A
Speaker 1: detonated a bomb in the car of Senator Kipelato your goryan,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a gnarly name of this the Union
Speaker 1: Civica Radical, which is hilariously a moderate party, um the
Speaker 1: first claimed terror, it's first claimed terrorist attacked. The senator
Speaker 1: was severely wounded. He was the victim of another bomb
Speaker 1: in nineteen and was tortured and interrogated by army officers
Speaker 1: in that year. They told him, quote, you want to
Speaker 1: know about the Triple A. Well, we're the Triple A.
Speaker 1: We put the bomb in your car. Oh well, that's
Speaker 1: nice of them to say, so. Yeah. Um, it's also
Speaker 1: worked oning. So the Triple A. They get kind of
Speaker 1: absorbed into the Argentina and military, but they kind of
Speaker 1: still operate under under this it's I don't know, they're
Speaker 1: they're there. They after the military que and seventy six.
Speaker 1: They're more inside the state than they are outside of it.
Speaker 1: But they also host the nineteen eight meeting of the
Speaker 1: c A L Buenos Aires after they were semi absorbed.
Speaker 1: They're also heavily involved in the Wanti Communist League. And
Speaker 1: we're going to come back to the nineteen eight meeting
Speaker 1: because it also was very important, but not only for
Speaker 1: the next episode. For now, we should talk about like
Speaker 1: how CONDO actually worked a bit more. Um McSherry describes
Speaker 1: it as as a paris statal organization in that it's
Speaker 1: technically inside or tied to the state, but it operates
Speaker 1: completely in secret, and it has it has it has
Speaker 1: you know, it has a unified command structure that involves
Speaker 1: operatives from you know, intelligence services from the military. There's cops,
Speaker 1: there's right wing civilians and paramilitaries. But again, like the
Speaker 1: secrecy of this means that even other parts of the
Speaker 1: military don't know if they exist. UM, as we've seen
Speaker 1: with Triple A condor makes the use of paramilitary sometimes
Speaker 1: like folding them directly in the shade of command. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they just like basically do contract killings out to other
Speaker 1: like fascist parabilitaries. UM and their whole command structure remains
Speaker 1: entirely unregistered. It is by its very nature outside of
Speaker 1: the sort of bounds the state bureaucracy. Everything is unbarked, untagged,
Speaker 1: secret or black ops. Its officers are commissioned literally as
Speaker 1: special agents. It operates as a sort of like a
Speaker 1: secret parallel state alongside the official state. And I want
Speaker 1: to pause here for a second to to think about
Speaker 1: the extent to which American and British pop culture is
Speaker 1: entirely centered around valorizing this stuff. Like pop culture is
Speaker 1: completely obsessed with secret agents. We have there's twenty five
Speaker 1: Bond movies. There are there are five different Call of
Speaker 1: Duty Black Ops games, right, Like the last Black Ops
Speaker 1: game is literally you working for Ronald Reagan to do
Speaker 1: stuff for the CIA, and but it's like, okay, if
Speaker 1: you think about what this stuff is, right, all of
Speaker 1: this black ops stuff, it's it's this you know, you look,
Speaker 1: you look, you look at the sort of pures expression
Speaker 1: of it in Latin America. It's just that it's literally
Speaker 1: just this this tyrratnical parallel state use job it is
Speaker 1: to kill subversives, and it's the descaad machine. And it's like,
Speaker 1: this is our entire pop culture is about making everyone
Speaker 1: think the deast squad machine is cool. Well, but the
Speaker 1: death squad machine this drunk all the time and that's
Speaker 1: pretty neat. Yeah, but here's the thing I went. I
Speaker 1: went to university, and I therefore I therefore know that
Speaker 1: you can be drunk all the time without being a
Speaker 1: desk squad. We had very different college experiences. That's a
Speaker 1: story for another day, am I right? I mean, immittedly
Speaker 1: we are on our like third college paramilitary in this episode,
Speaker 1: So that's right, that's right. Just like, how don't do it?
Speaker 1: John Sportsman? You were doing so well. We were so
Speaker 1: proud of you. It was like four for four touchback,
Speaker 1: first down, three pointers, nailed it, nailed it. So all right,
Speaker 1: we now have a picture we we have. We have
Speaker 1: an incredibly lackluster picture of the nature of basketball. We
Speaker 1: have a better picture of the internal structure of Condor.
Speaker 1: But the thing is Condra's multinational operation and if which
Speaker 1: part of you is doing what the modern CIA would
Speaker 1: call it extraordinary renditions, And this means that there's just
Speaker 1: like kidnapping dissidents who would, for example, fled from chilea
Speaker 1: to Paraguay and then you bring them back to Chile,
Speaker 1: that you torture and execute them. And as this program
Speaker 1: you know, goes on the start, they start assassinating people
Speaker 1: like all over the world. And these people, you know,
Speaker 1: they're not just getting murdered, right, they're getting horribly tortured.
Speaker 1: The bodies that people find are like heavily mutilated, Their
Speaker 1: stab wounds have like burns. Um that the Argentinian classic
Speaker 1: is just dropping people both dead and live, out of helicopters,
Speaker 1: and well, at least they're not discriminating between dead or alive.
Speaker 1: That's true. Everybody gets dropped out of a helicopter. That's quality. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, and the other thing is that they're
Speaker 1: not just killing like completely random like nobody or like
Speaker 1: you know, incredibly minor activist. They're killing people who are
Speaker 1: like very high profile and very famous, like in Sei
Speaker 1: they killed the former president of Bolivia, Juan Jose Torres
Speaker 1: and Buenos Aires um And you know, one of the
Speaker 1: favorite tactics that they use for sort getting away with
Speaker 1: this stuff is that they'll kill a bunch of people
Speaker 1: and then blame blame it on the left murdering each other.
Speaker 1: But like, that's not actually enough to cover up we
Speaker 1: killed the president of Bolivia. Well, we killed the president
Speaker 1: of Italy too, but nobody has a problem with that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go we will, we will get to the
Speaker 1: actually we I will mention it and then pointedly not
Speaker 1: explain it next episode. That's good. That's good. More about
Speaker 1: the assassination of the fucking prime Minister of Italy. Just
Speaker 1: listened to Alex Jones show. The next time Steve is
Speaker 1: back on because he's the one who did it. You
Speaker 1: can hear from an act well, okay, okay, to be
Speaker 1: fo Wars contributor, the guy who killed the prime minister.
Speaker 1: To be fair, all right, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people who were involved in killing the prime minister. We
Speaker 1: cannot give Steve, but the whole credit from the team
Speaker 1: was inlved It's not just Magic and Biggy Tom Cruise,
Speaker 1: someone who was who was else on the team, Sophie,
Speaker 1: are you trying to make a Magic Johnson Larry Bird reference?
Speaker 1: Right now? That's the one Larry Bird Lawrence Bird could
Speaker 1: be fair. I'm okay with you fucking up his name,
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson and Larry Flint. Um again, very okay with
Speaker 1: you sucking up his name. Go for it, um, whatever
Speaker 1: you want. Good, all right, back to the game. So, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, it is incredible, Like it is so obvious
Speaker 1: that like people that like, there's something going on here
Speaker 1: that's assassinating people that like even even journalists are just
Speaker 1: starting to write articles that are like, yeah, there's probably
Speaker 1: something going on here. And so Robert, you might be
Speaker 1: asking yourself, what is the United States, the champion of
Speaker 1: democracy and human rights and the leader of the free world,
Speaker 1: doing about a bunch of des squads murdering anyone who
Speaker 1: doesn't actively supportabilitary dictatorship. And the answer is, uh, okay.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they write a few strongly worded letters. They do
Speaker 1: this like twice. They write a few strongly worded letters.
Speaker 1: Mostly they do nothing. And then the other part of
Speaker 1: the time they're actively helping them do it, so to
Speaker 1: get a sense of like the level of immunity that
Speaker 1: Condor had from the Vieosco from um the political counselor
Speaker 1: of of the U s Embassy and a equador in
Speaker 1: sorry in Uruguay, you know, did the right thing for once,
Speaker 1: and he he he and a. Basically, they figure out
Speaker 1: that a Brazilian labor leader is about to be like
Speaker 1: kidnapp and assassinated by these guys, and he helps this
Speaker 1: guy escape and in retaliation, a bunch of dudes and
Speaker 1: ski masks grabbed him off the street and broke every
Speaker 1: vertebrae in his neck and back. And again, this guy
Speaker 1: works for the US embassy and they broke every single
Speaker 1: vertebrae in his neck and upper back and the US
Speaker 1: does nothing, and yeah, what what would you expect us
Speaker 1: to do? You know, you know, you know, Okay, So
Speaker 1: like every once in a while, you'll do one of
Speaker 1: the things that happens with the rand contrent rights that
Speaker 1: they like kind of they accidentally get a d A
Speaker 1: agent killed and after that the US just goes like
Speaker 1: absolute ape shit, like it's just like okay, but this
Speaker 1: guy is an embassy guy. You'd think that like if
Speaker 1: you kill if you like like almost kill a guy
Speaker 1: from your embassy, like something would happen, but like, no, no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen at all, absolutely not. And and you know,
Speaker 1: speaking of the government doing nothing. In the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: six agents of the Chilean National Intelligence Director at working
Speaker 1: with right wing Cuban exiles from the c i L
Speaker 1: car bomb and man named Orlando Letier in Washington, d
Speaker 1: c um Lydia had been the socialist foreign minister under
Speaker 1: a end and he's just like implacable foe of Pinochet
Speaker 1: and the chilenge a like yeah, what does kill him?
Speaker 1: And so you know they do it, right, they just
Speaker 1: they kill him and like it literally in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: With a car bomb, and the guy who does it
Speaker 1: is an American Diana operative named Michael town Lee. And
Speaker 1: he serves five years in prison and then gets FBI
Speaker 1: witness protection. So there are there are an enormous number
Speaker 1: of people in this country who have served more time
Speaker 1: in prison for literally having weed than this guy is
Speaker 1: serving for doing a car bomb assassination in Washington, d C. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's great and this, This is like
Speaker 1: dream the Carter administration do it. Nothing happens nothing. I
Speaker 1: think it's your the Carter Maan, I'm pretty sure, yes,
Speaker 1: many six. Yeah. And and the reason that don't they
Speaker 1: don't do anything is twofold. One is that the CIA
Speaker 1: is systematically lying under oath to Congress about whether it's
Speaker 1: like what it knew about Condor. And the other reason
Speaker 1: is that the US is actively helping them, Um that
Speaker 1: they're there, there's your channels. This one is that there's
Speaker 1: good evidence that the CIA actively helped the Chilean government
Speaker 1: kidnapp and murder multiple American citizens. But it's actually much
Speaker 1: worse than that because so condor as as a sort
Speaker 1: of network is running off of this encrypted American telecommunication
Speaker 1: network and an equipment that is based in the Panama
Speaker 1: Canal Zone. Now, Robert, Uh, I'm gonna I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask you what was the U. S. Government running in
Speaker 1: the Panama Canal Zone in the nineteen seventies. Um, they
Speaker 1: were just helping boats. You know, they love boats, were
Speaker 1: big boat people America and we'd like to keep them moving.
Speaker 1: What what what was the other thing we were running there? Uh?
Speaker 1: Just boats? Boats? Yeah, just boats, there's a there's a
Speaker 1: guy named Manuel Noriega who was famous because he was
Speaker 1: good at boats. Yeah, we all we just boats. We
Speaker 1: also have a very famous boating school there called the
Speaker 1: School of the America. Boat if you want to learn
Speaker 1: how to be on a boat, school of because it's
Speaker 1: the school of how to like take your boat across
Speaker 1: the America's. That's why they call the School of the Americas.
Speaker 1: All of the America's is for boats. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, baby, it's School the Americas. We're doing the
Speaker 1: School the America's again. And it turns out that I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just gonna read this from Predatory States. As one
Speaker 1: military graduate of the School of America's put it, the
Speaker 1: school was always a friend for other special operations, covert operations.
Speaker 1: So they're using the School of the Americas as cover
Speaker 1: to run a covert assassination network. It's gonna kill like
Speaker 1: an incredible number of people, including multiple U. S citizens,
Speaker 1: some of whom were killed on American soil. It's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like, I don't know what that's like something basketball,
Speaker 1: you know, and and that that's that's that's just down
Speaker 1: from Sophie on that one. I'm not terrible basketball metaphore.
Speaker 1: That's just that's where we're gonna leave it today. With
Speaker 1: the role at the Communist League having helped spawn and
Speaker 1: carry out Operation Condor alongside their friends the CIA. Well,
Speaker 1: if your friend is the CIA, you can find the
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