Speaker 1: M from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl ill
Speaker 1: two fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers
Speaker 1: to always keep their eyes open. You be queen, you
Speaker 1: were fired. You will pass through centuries on the hands
Speaker 1: of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the
Speaker 1: backs of diamond eyed school children who grew into hymnals
Speaker 1: recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments
Speaker 1: out of the windows of restored ALCHEMYO chariots to keep
Speaker 1: the warmth of their blood. Be wise, be smart, being black,
Speaker 1: Opal Brown courts bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of
Speaker 1: jim see king told, scribe, scribe, told son, son, told wife,
Speaker 1: wife told her daughter, and daughter told the ass is
Speaker 1: the ancess told me that you would come to give
Speaker 1: wisdom of thousands. They said you would come. Welcome. This
Speaker 1: is the Dropping Gems podcast. I'm your host, deVie Brown.
Speaker 1: Today we are exploring the fine masculine. We are going
Speaker 1: to explore masculine alchemy. We do a lot of talk
Speaker 1: on healing in this show, and you know, the journey
Speaker 1: to oneself and something that we have explored and touched
Speaker 1: on that I'm really excited to go very in depth
Speaker 1: with today is the experience of healing that's available for men,
Speaker 1: especially in this moment in history. You know, we've touched
Speaker 1: on quite a bit and had some powerful voices in
Speaker 1: this space around men being given their autonomy, men being
Speaker 1: given their permission to have their process um, men being
Speaker 1: given beautiful, expansive opportunity to connect with self and to
Speaker 1: relate to self, relate to the world, relate to the feminine,
Speaker 1: relate to their families in new ways that are more
Speaker 1: deeply authentic. So I'm really excited on this episode to
Speaker 1: welcome in just such a powerful, powerful, powerful voice in
Speaker 1: this space. But before I get there, uh, let's lean
Speaker 1: into our affirmation for this episode. So I'm using the
Speaker 1: Karma Bliss affirmation deck um that is found within all
Speaker 1: of these affirmations are found within my book Crystal Bliss.
Speaker 1: So I did a shuffle as this show is beginning,
Speaker 1: and I always allow whatever card wants to pop out
Speaker 1: pop and the card that came out to pay the
Speaker 1: visual for you. It's two really beautiful medium brown hands
Speaker 1: with beautifully designed nails um holding within the hands a
Speaker 1: vibrant orange and yellow sun. So if you can imagine
Speaker 1: some beautiful brown hands holding up a floating sun with
Speaker 1: the rays kind of beaming out, and the affirmation says,
Speaker 1: I am open to receiving all that is necessary for
Speaker 1: my spiritual evolution. Allow yourself to breathe here, and if
Speaker 1: it's comfortable and safe, I want to invite you to
Speaker 1: just let your eyes gently closed. Notice your spine, allow
Speaker 1: it to be straight and really supportive to your body.
Speaker 1: Allow your breath to just rise and fall naturally in
Speaker 1: your chest. As I get ready to repeat this affirmation
Speaker 1: two more times, I want to invite you to take
Speaker 1: a teep deep inhale through your nose here, and then
Speaker 1: hold the us in for a couple of seconds and
Speaker 1: release slow and measure through your nose here, and do
Speaker 1: that two more times that same deep inhale exhale. Getting Now,
Speaker 1: as I read this affirmation and I think too much
Speaker 1: about the works, just notice where it lands in your body.
Speaker 1: I am open to receiving all that is necessary for
Speaker 1: my spiritual evolution. I am open to receiving all that
Speaker 1: is necessary for my spiritual evolution. And now allow yourself
Speaker 1: to release that affirmation back into the ethers and we'll
Speaker 1: revisit it at the end of this episode when I
Speaker 1: always make a little time for some soul work. Alright,
Speaker 1: so today's episode, I cannot tell you how excited I am. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm excited in a way that is like I know something,
Speaker 1: something expansive, is about to happen. Um. Wow, Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is going to be a really, really, really powerful exploratory episode. So,
Speaker 1: without further ado, my guest today is Adam Jackson. Adam
Speaker 1: Jackson is the co founder of Sacred Sons and the
Speaker 1: host of the Sacred Sons podcast. Adam Jackson holds a
Speaker 1: vision for ushering brotherhood to the forefront of our community
Speaker 1: as a means for conscious healing. He's a co founder,
Speaker 1: director of Operations, and the voice of Sacred Sons. Adam
Speaker 1: is a true renaissance man with his education in science,
Speaker 1: background in art music, an ongoing expiration of love, travel
Speaker 1: and experiential community building. Fatherhood has set Adam on a
Speaker 1: heart opening journey of conscious parenting and commitment to living
Speaker 1: one's truth. Adam is devoted to continual in our exploration,
Speaker 1: has the intuitive ability to connect others to their path
Speaker 1: and purpose. His spiritual practices have led him to a
Speaker 1: neet be ceremony sweat Lodge, men's circles, plant medicine, ceremonies,
Speaker 1: and transformational gatherings. He is walking a spiritual path with
Speaker 1: a power of self love and the intention to raise
Speaker 1: the collective consciousness of our human family. Sacred Sons. Sacred
Speaker 1: Sons are brothers, fathers, husbands, uncles. They're here to help
Speaker 1: men grow and awaken to their true power through circles, workshops, retreats,
Speaker 1: and online courses. Sacred Sons, Adam Jackson, Masculine Alchemy, divine masculinity.
Speaker 1: I am so grateful for this opportunity and so excited
Speaker 1: to dive into all of these things. Thank you. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the show, Adam Jackson. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: having me here. Dev It's an honor. It's a real honor.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I am so honored. And I have to
Speaker 1: tell you, and I shared this with you before we
Speaker 1: started the record. Already, as I sat down for this interview,
Speaker 1: my heart started beating and I was like, okay, this
Speaker 1: is going somewhere. Okay, spirit okay, spirit um And yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there is this feeling of um, just expansion. So
Speaker 1: let me my heart's beating too. And if you're listening
Speaker 1: to this, your heart is beating, and it all starts
Speaker 1: with a heartbeat. It truly does when we come into
Speaker 1: this life in our mother's womb. And I just had
Speaker 1: my third son. My third son is just three months old,
Speaker 1: and so I know this from direct recent experience. The
Speaker 1: first thing we look for in life is the heartbeat,
Speaker 1: and as we exit this life, the last thing we
Speaker 1: look for is the heartbeat. And so it's always good
Speaker 1: to be in tune with our hearts. Thank you for
Speaker 1: bringing it forward. Our hearts are beating. Let's bring through
Speaker 1: a beautiful conversation. Thank you for that. Thank you for that,
Speaker 1: and congratulations from the new life in this world. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's uh. It's an honor as as well to be
Speaker 1: a father and too to raise children up. You know,
Speaker 1: I was um. I grew up in a in a
Speaker 1: household where my parents were not together. I was kind
Speaker 1: of I saw my father every other weekend type of situation.
Speaker 1: And I think this is this is becoming more and
Speaker 1: more common in our culture, and I think it's detrimental.
Speaker 1: And so we're gonna talk about sacred sons and more things.
Speaker 1: But I am encouraging men who are in committed relationships
Speaker 1: to bring through children. You know, this is a good
Speaker 1: time to bring through and to race up consciousness. We
Speaker 1: need you. These children are these souls are wanting to
Speaker 1: come through, you know, in a in a caring and
Speaker 1: loving way, And if you have the capacity to hold it,
Speaker 1: I'm all for it. Mm hmmmm. That is so beautiful
Speaker 1: and I and I definitely want to get into that
Speaker 1: as well, because parenting is such a profound catalyst for
Speaker 1: awakening if you let it be, such a profound catalyst
Speaker 1: to the next um experience of your soul, to the
Speaker 1: new levels of one's gifts that we have inside of us.
Speaker 1: But it also it requires quite a bit. It requires
Speaker 1: a real time processing, you know, it requires really making
Speaker 1: the deepest peace with your triggers. Because something I I
Speaker 1: found that people don't speak to enough is how triggering
Speaker 1: parenting is, especially depending on what your own childhood was,
Speaker 1: because very often, you know, we are summoning forward, we're
Speaker 1: invoking a love that perhaps we did not even feel ourselves,
Speaker 1: and so that experience is just I mean, one so godly,
Speaker 1: just like the heart center of God's love. Um. But
Speaker 1: it's also scary and it can bring up a lot
Speaker 1: and it does require a lot of self investigation, and
Speaker 1: a lot of seeking of support, supportive structures for ourselves. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I completely agree. It's a scary proposition to bring a
Speaker 1: child into this world. And um and out there the
Speaker 1: conversations have done a good job of keeping us scared
Speaker 1: of that. But the reality is, this is how we
Speaker 1: all got here, This is how every human being came
Speaker 1: through on this planet since the beginning of time. And
Speaker 1: so the invitation is to expand your capacity, expand your
Speaker 1: capacity to hold space for yourself, um, expand your capacity
Speaker 1: to allow help in, to ask for help, to ask
Speaker 1: for what you need when it is challenging, because it is.
Speaker 1: There's no getting around that. I don't want to give
Speaker 1: any false sentiments that that parenthood is all, you know,
Speaker 1: rainbows and butterflies, because it's challenging. But as deep as
Speaker 1: grow is as high as the tree will go. And
Speaker 1: and because of the depth of those challenges, the love
Speaker 1: that our hearts right are able to experience grows that
Speaker 1: much bigger, It expands that much greater. And I really
Speaker 1: really believe that, and it's I think it behooves us
Speaker 1: as individuals, um and And I also I want to
Speaker 1: say this, if you know you don't want to have children,
Speaker 1: don't have children. I respect that fully, and if you're
Speaker 1: able to this is It's a beautiful thing, there really is.
Speaker 1: And I guess I wanted to say one more pieces,
Speaker 1: specifically to the men, the brothers, the fathers who are listening.
Speaker 1: You know, for a long time it's been shown to
Speaker 1: us that we got to hold it all on our own,
Speaker 1: that we gotta figure it out, we gotta provide our
Speaker 1: own and like largely, that creates a lot of stress.
Speaker 1: It creates a lot of suppressed emotion. And the invitation
Speaker 1: here and I'm speaking to the brothers who know me
Speaker 1: from sacred sons. You know, there is a space to
Speaker 1: bring your questions, to bring your fear, to bring your
Speaker 1: guilt and shame, and to move that, move through that,
Speaker 1: to integrate those aspects of who you are. You know,
Speaker 1: who you are today so that you can become who
Speaker 1: you are to become. And we need that as men.
Speaker 1: And you know, our culture has largely separated us, pushed
Speaker 1: us into social isolation. I understand we're bringing that back.
Speaker 1: This is the time. M hmmm, this is the time.
Speaker 1: Let's speak about that time. I gotta tell you how
Speaker 1: I found your work. So I'm always in study about
Speaker 1: barriers to healing for people, and Um, I'm raising a son,
Speaker 1: so men are a big part of my path. Um.
Speaker 1: And I remember I was on Instagram and the algorithm
Speaker 1: brought me to the Sacred Son's page and I sat
Speaker 1: there and my heart jest expanded, I mean just so huge,
Speaker 1: like I had such a reaction in my soul, in
Speaker 1: my body, and just immediately recognized the profound work, um,
Speaker 1: and the emotion that's brought forward on that page. Everyone
Speaker 1: take a second right now, if you're on your phone,
Speaker 1: it's Sacred Sons on Instagram. UM. And I saw the
Speaker 1: work that you were doing with men. I saw this, that,
Speaker 1: this divine masculinity pouring through the screen, this this healing
Speaker 1: that has not had a chance to really be present
Speaker 1: on the planet. And I thought, how one, how gorgeous,
Speaker 1: and how powerful. But to my God, how grateful I
Speaker 1: was to see this work in this way, to see
Speaker 1: such a collection of men from all over, from all
Speaker 1: different backgrounds, all different ages, coming into this space to
Speaker 1: learn how to feel, you know. And I think one
Speaker 1: of the biggest shames of society throughout human history is
Speaker 1: this this silen scene of masculine emotions this belief that
Speaker 1: masculinity can't also be elegant, can't also be loving, can
Speaker 1: also be healing. And so that's how I first saw
Speaker 1: the work that you were putting in the world, and
Speaker 1: then I connected to the podcast. But Adam, how did
Speaker 1: you begin this path and how did you found co
Speaker 1: found Sacred Sons. Sacred Son was co founded by myself,
Speaker 1: Bear Bastia, and Jason Mackenzie and and you know, prior
Speaker 1: to us coming together to do this version of masculine
Speaker 1: alchemy of men's work, um I had thrown it was
Speaker 1: I've been playing music and throwing concerts and I have
Speaker 1: a calling to bring people together. This has been a
Speaker 1: part of my entire life's path. It's just it's just
Speaker 1: the way it is. And so in twenty fifteen, sixteen,
Speaker 1: I was hosting an event in Joshua Tree called Tribe
Speaker 1: Family Gathering. Again, this is what I'm about. I'm about tried,
Speaker 1: I'm about bringing it together. I am about finding out
Speaker 1: what's real and U And at one of those events
Speaker 1: in I invited Jason to hold a men's circle because
Speaker 1: I knew he was deeply involved in men's work, and
Speaker 1: I invited all Bear to lead a shadow Work Workshop
Speaker 1: because of his background with that work, and and I
Speaker 1: was organizing the the event, and it was on that
Speaker 1: weekend we kind of noticed like, Hey, the brothers don't
Speaker 1: really no, no, what's what here? Like they're asking me
Speaker 1: can we drink? Why are we Why are we circling up?
Speaker 1: Why are we being asked to share these things? Can't
Speaker 1: we just like listen to music and zone out? And
Speaker 1: so we're like, oh, the men are not ready for this. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the women, they were circled up, they were hiking, naked,
Speaker 1: they were you know. We we had a session where
Speaker 1: the women went off into the desert, had a women's circle,
Speaker 1: and the men stayed back with the children. It was
Speaker 1: really beautiful. But in that moment we were like, oh,
Speaker 1: the men are not ready. And so then as the
Speaker 1: me too movement kind of exploded and there's more awareness,
Speaker 1: the men aren't ready. This is this was the message
Speaker 1: that we got. So what are we going to do
Speaker 1: to to invite the men in, To invite the men
Speaker 1: back into their hearts, back into their bodies, back into
Speaker 1: connection with God, with themselves, with each other, whatever, that
Speaker 1: connection that's missing, because we know it's missing, and that
Speaker 1: lack of connection. It plays out in society as addiction,
Speaker 1: as abuse, as overpowering as um as as all the
Speaker 1: things right. And so what our mission was from that
Speaker 1: point was to bring the connection back. And it's really
Speaker 1: as simple as that. I don't I don't want to
Speaker 1: create any illusions that we are healing people or that
Speaker 1: we are gurus. The age of the guru is over,
Speaker 1: not about that. We are about connection. And so what
Speaker 1: happens is men come back into connection and we all
Speaker 1: we all know this in this world, that we have
Speaker 1: the ability to heal ourselves. And that's really what's happening.
Speaker 1: As men come in, they're invited into a space of honesty,
Speaker 1: of confidentiality, of acceptance, and this is this is something
Speaker 1: that most men that have encountered have not ever felt.
Speaker 1: And so what we're what we're doing is it's really
Speaker 1: I just want to just want to emphasize it's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of simplicity to the work that we're doing.
Speaker 1: And when you see it, you know, one of our
Speaker 1: missions when we started this, we're like, we're not gonna
Speaker 1: hide this, We're not going to keep it behind closed doors.
Speaker 1: We're going to show what we're doing. And and by
Speaker 1: showing it. We're inviting in others to say this is okay.
Speaker 1: Not only is it okay, but there's so many comments.
Speaker 1: If you look at some of these photos where there's
Speaker 1: a man really released, a big cathartic emotional release, and
Speaker 1: what I see men commenting, I need this, I need this?
Speaker 1: Where do I find this? Come here, come see us,
Speaker 1: to cry, to grieve, to be honest. And so here
Speaker 1: we are. You know, four years later, I'm actually preparing
Speaker 1: for a trip to Europe. We're taking this work, you know,
Speaker 1: back to some of our ancestry where where some of
Speaker 1: us came from. And this work is starting to gain
Speaker 1: the momentum and the eyes and the ears and the
Speaker 1: hearts um of people really saying this is valuable and
Speaker 1: this is this has been missing, and so we identified
Speaker 1: it as early as sixteen. We're all on our individual
Speaker 1: healing journeys. We've all, you know, in terms of the
Speaker 1: men who are at the core of Sacred Sons. We
Speaker 1: do this work together, you know, we we piloted this
Speaker 1: work together, and we we have our individual journeys. But
Speaker 1: when we come together in connection, this is where the
Speaker 1: real magic is. Mm hmm mm hmm. Wow. Speaking of
Speaker 1: mail connection. You know, we are obviously all the systems
Speaker 1: that are in place, and we explore there's so much
Speaker 1: on this show, um that all the things that keep
Speaker 1: us from ourselves, whether that is the culturally creative view
Speaker 1: of self, whether that is all of the various levels
Speaker 1: of trauma that may be present from this lifetime or
Speaker 1: many others, and the ancestral trauma that's laid upon that.
Speaker 1: You know, I think so many get caught in this system.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's designed to of society and how we
Speaker 1: view ourselves and what we consider to be important or
Speaker 1: successful in all these things, what we consider friendship, what
Speaker 1: we consider love, that it really requires such an immense
Speaker 1: deprogramming and just a pasting aside of you know, what
Speaker 1: doesn't feel inherently true or authentic. How is that experience?
Speaker 1: Especially with men, and men have been really trained for
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of years to stay inside, to not talk,
Speaker 1: to not feel. Um, they have so much less practice
Speaker 1: in it than women. You know, we are, for better
Speaker 1: or worse. We are not only designed for that nurturance,
Speaker 1: but then we're also kind of shepherded into it. You know,
Speaker 1: tell tell all your friends your secrets. Starting at a
Speaker 1: young age discussed and dissect everything constantly. You know, even
Speaker 1: even you know this this the gossip of the young
Speaker 1: life of a young girl. Like we're all rooted to
Speaker 1: kind of pour our thoughts and feelings out constantly. And
Speaker 1: it's the exact opposite for men. And so what does
Speaker 1: that system look like when you begin that opening, when
Speaker 1: you create this space for meaningful connection to take play?
Speaker 1: What kind of disarmament even needs to happen? And how
Speaker 1: would especially a man listening in this moment who knows
Speaker 1: they're craving that, But perhaps UM is feeling the discomfort
Speaker 1: of that looks like to be around a bunch of people,
Speaker 1: I don't know, And what what does that process begin? Like? Um?
Speaker 1: And we do it through like I said, first creating
Speaker 1: a space, then dropping into connection, dropping into trust, and
Speaker 1: then confrontation. So you're just you were just really eloquently
Speaker 1: speaking to how women do it from an early age.
Speaker 1: Guess how boys do it? We fight, we wrestle, we
Speaker 1: confront each other, we get right up in the mix.
Speaker 1: We are men and this works. We don't have to
Speaker 1: deny those aspects of our either. And so culturally, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll just I want to answer your questions specifically to
Speaker 1: the to the beginning, and then I want to go
Speaker 1: into the confrontation. But disarming is a perfect word. We
Speaker 1: we peel back the layers, and we do that by
Speaker 1: seeing men. So there are a few thresholds to enter
Speaker 1: the space that we create um and those look like
Speaker 1: prompts asking questions, largely questions that are very simple, but
Speaker 1: men have not really been asked really meeting men with
Speaker 1: eye contact, which is another thing in society. You walk
Speaker 1: down the street, you nobody's making eye contact, nobody saying
Speaker 1: what's up, nobody's blessing each other up these days? What's
Speaker 1: going on? You know? And so what happens is you
Speaker 1: come into a space, you cross the threshold, someone meets
Speaker 1: you in presence, you know, insincerity and their authenticity, and
Speaker 1: that does something to a man. It starts to rewire immediately.
Speaker 1: Just some eye contact, just like I'm looking at you
Speaker 1: right now, we're having a conversation. There's a connection that's
Speaker 1: happening that will ultimately allow our hearts to stop beating
Speaker 1: so fast so that we can settle. And then we
Speaker 1: begin peeling layer by layer, and before you know it,
Speaker 1: you're you know, depending on where we where this event
Speaker 1: is you're in the desert, you're staring across the demand
Speaker 1: that you've just met, and you're being asked a question
Speaker 1: like what are you hiding? And guess what you know?
Speaker 1: All forty fifty however many men are they're they're all
Speaker 1: hiding something, and so we say it, what are you hiding?
Speaker 1: Speaking now to the man across from you, boom. This
Speaker 1: is this is how we we peel back a layer.
Speaker 1: But then what's under each of those layers, it gets
Speaker 1: replaced with trust. And so I want to want to
Speaker 1: say this for people who are listening. Anytime you let
Speaker 1: go or remove something for your from your life, you
Speaker 1: have to replace it with something else. Otherwise the armor,
Speaker 1: the layers come right backne So what we replace those
Speaker 1: layers with our trust, and the trust is built through
Speaker 1: eye contact, through communication, through connection. Okay, and now let's
Speaker 1: let's just go a little bit deeper into the weekend.
Speaker 1: So now I'm here, Now I'm I'm feeling in a
Speaker 1: space where man, I can be authentic. I can even
Speaker 1: relate to some of the stories these men are sharing.
Speaker 1: And this you know this brother, he may have come
Speaker 1: from New Zealand, but yet we have a similar you know,
Speaker 1: we have a similar perspective, we have some similar things
Speaker 1: going on in our lives. How is that possible? So
Speaker 1: we're building up that trust and you know, through confrontation
Speaker 1: is where men really come alive. It's very intimidating. Um.
Speaker 1: There are different cultural practices all around the world, from
Speaker 1: North American Lakota, the neepe ceremony, sweat lodge, you know,
Speaker 1: these challenging type of situations we put ourselves in to
Speaker 1: get comfortable in our own discomfort. As sacred sons. We
Speaker 1: utilize cold cold cold plunges are super popular right now.
Speaker 1: Everybody should be aware of these. This is this This
Speaker 1: is something that gets our nervous systems regulated, so that
Speaker 1: that's a great practice. But what happens when we start
Speaker 1: inviting on the gloves and we start saying, hey, pick
Speaker 1: a man here who represents someone in your life that
Speaker 1: you would like to confront And before you know, we
Speaker 1: don't just put people in to fight. You know, we're
Speaker 1: we're we're sentient, conscious savages out here. This is not
Speaker 1: where this is not going to war with the outside
Speaker 1: world world. This is brothers going to war, waging the
Speaker 1: war within the war within themselves. This is the only
Speaker 1: this is truly um where it where it is for
Speaker 1: all of us. So we put people in uncomfortable situations.
Speaker 1: Yes we wrestle, Yes, we we sit in ceremony, and
Speaker 1: then in the evenings we celebrate, you know. We we
Speaker 1: sip cacaw, We sit around a fire like men have
Speaker 1: done for thousands of years. We share our stories, we
Speaker 1: share our songs, and slowly, little by little, this brings
Speaker 1: men back into connection, back into connection with themselves, with
Speaker 1: each other, with the earth below their feet, with the
Speaker 1: loved ones they have waiting for them at home. And
Speaker 1: it can just be such a beautiful thing. But it's
Speaker 1: I just want to emphasize, it's about the simplicity. Truth
Speaker 1: is always found in the simplest of ways. You know.
Speaker 1: This is We're not trying to indoctorate anyone. This is
Speaker 1: not a dogmatic system. It's an emergent culture that we
Speaker 1: are creating. And I want to I want to say
Speaker 1: one more thing, thank you, thank you, Because large I
Speaker 1: asked questions around men's work, Well, why why is it
Speaker 1: necessary for the men to go off on their own?
Speaker 1: I don't want to be really clear that it's necessary.
Speaker 1: This work is actually for the benefit of women and children,
Speaker 1: the women who are at home waiting on their husbands
Speaker 1: to return, the children and their lives, the brothers in
Speaker 1: their lives as well. Please, but this is not work
Speaker 1: to exclude women or to empower men to um to
Speaker 1: further dominate women. This is about opening men's hearts up
Speaker 1: so so that when they return, they can meet their families,
Speaker 1: they can meet their beloved with clear eyes, full hearts.
Speaker 1: All these all these things that are very important, UM.
Speaker 1: And I also I don't want to make any illusions
Speaker 1: about about the massive shifts. Yes there are men who
Speaker 1: become incredibly awakened. Yes there are men who who are
Speaker 1: shedding tears that they haven't been able to shed for
Speaker 1: ten years. I've seen it over and over, Debbie. Men
Speaker 1: come to me, Hey, bro, I just don't cry. I'm
Speaker 1: not about that. I'm like, cool, bro, you don't do
Speaker 1: anything you're not here to do. Day two, they're coming
Speaker 1: up to me with tears in their eyes. Oh bro,
Speaker 1: thank you. I didn't even know about you know, like
Speaker 1: cool cool, that's that's always been in you, and the
Speaker 1: the the piece there that that I wanted to say that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: m hm, where is this? Why is this missing in
Speaker 1: our culture mm hmm h And it's not like and
Speaker 1: tru and to be honest, it's not like you have
Speaker 1: to be filled with trauma to come into one of
Speaker 1: these spaces. Yes, we have men with the deep deep,
Speaker 1: the deep deep for real, and most men have been
Speaker 1: hurt by other men, so that makes it even more intimidating.
Speaker 1: And if you're a brother who is just out here
Speaker 1: treading water, not in contact, not in connection with your purpose,
Speaker 1: forget purpose, you're not in contact with your heart. Like,
Speaker 1: let's start there. And so I also want to just
Speaker 1: like give the understanding for anyone who's listening, maybe curious, Um,
Speaker 1: do you have to be suffering from some immense amount
Speaker 1: of trauma. No, but if there's a sense of quiet
Speaker 1: suffering happening for you, there is a space for you
Speaker 1: to belong, then it's called sacred sounds. I would love
Speaker 1: your thoughts, your reflection on what have you noticed in
Speaker 1: yourself and others the feedback something so powerful And what
Speaker 1: you were expressing is it felt like such a deep
Speaker 1: cellular reprogram hearing you speak about this, this just gorgeous work.
Speaker 1: You know, this idea of taking the masculine out to
Speaker 1: battle with themselves, taking the masculine out to these sacred
Speaker 1: lands with one another and then returning home like I'm
Speaker 1: really hearing the hero's journey. I'm hearing um, Yes, the
Speaker 1: heroic nature of that internal you know, dragon slain and
Speaker 1: the coming home. You know what I'm really experiencing when
Speaker 1: you say that, it's it's coming home, but it's also
Speaker 1: kind of coming into this right rightful rule is the
Speaker 1: word that feels yes and right relation right like the
Speaker 1: this this authentic, more nourishing, more powerful relation to self
Speaker 1: and relation to the family system that you make in
Speaker 1: that you're returning home to. And what is that felt
Speaker 1: experience for the masculine in that return home? And how
Speaker 1: are you noticing shifts in the household. That's a great
Speaker 1: question I wanna I want to first start by saying,
Speaker 1: many men are conditioned to outsource um, their pleasure, their greatness,
Speaker 1: their pursuits, through through icon worshiping, through sports, through pornography. Right, So,
Speaker 1: just have an understanding that we're outsourcing our sense of
Speaker 1: being the hero. And it's a trope at this point
Speaker 1: to say, be the hero of your own journey. What
Speaker 1: does that even look like? Where can I even go
Speaker 1: do that? Okay, So if you want to be the
Speaker 1: hero in your journey and your story, It's not gonna
Speaker 1: be because your team won the big game. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna be because there's a beautiful girl on your screen.
Speaker 1: It's going to be because you show up to it
Speaker 1: in this reality with your heart fully online, so that
Speaker 1: you can feel. You don't have to throw the winning
Speaker 1: touchdown in a Super Bowl yourself to feel like a champion. Okay,
Speaker 1: So a part of the part of that confrontation too
Speaker 1: is there is some there's something so empowering, um, not
Speaker 1: about competition, but about being met. Feel what I'm saying
Speaker 1: from then he met with equal opposite force. For a
Speaker 1: brother to be met an equal and opposite truth, it
Speaker 1: does something to us where we we begin to pull
Speaker 1: in those aspects of ourselves that want to outsource it,
Speaker 1: that want the pleasure from the outside in. And what
Speaker 1: happens It becomes an inside out game and says the
Speaker 1: only game that there is in this life. Everything happens
Speaker 1: within right. And so what happens when these men go
Speaker 1: home is they have the awareness, but not only the
Speaker 1: the awareness. We sent our men home with commitments. And
Speaker 1: these are not commitments that I right, These are commitments
Speaker 1: that they speak, and they speak them before their brothers,
Speaker 1: they speak them before the entire circle. And so when
Speaker 1: they go home and they know what they have to do, everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody listening, you know what you have to do. It's
Speaker 1: up to you to choose to decide to do it.
Speaker 1: And so what happens after four days of this being
Speaker 1: met that I'm referencing, What happens is that those men
Speaker 1: go home and they meet their commitments. And so I
Speaker 1: don't want to make any illusions about what that is,
Speaker 1: but I've had men. I've had men come up to
Speaker 1: me and say, Adam, you saved my marriage, and I say,
Speaker 1: you saved your marriage. And we also have men who
Speaker 1: go home and they say this relationship was not serving
Speaker 1: me or her. And I went home and I handled
Speaker 1: it and we had a conscious uncoupling because that's what
Speaker 1: needed to happen. M M in my favorite, my favorite.
Speaker 1: So the man tells me, you know, I committed to
Speaker 1: going home and playing outside with my kids for one
Speaker 1: hour a day. You know, like these are simple things.
Speaker 1: These are simple things, Debby, but they light me up
Speaker 1: and they can light up our whole world. And so
Speaker 1: if you dedicate yourself to playing outside with your children
Speaker 1: one hour a day instead of being on your phone
Speaker 1: for an hour a day. Do you know what that
Speaker 1: does for your children? Do you know what that does
Speaker 1: for you? And so you know I'm trying to This
Speaker 1: is powerful work, This is life changing work. But it's
Speaker 1: it comes through in simple ways, and it's it's about
Speaker 1: those choices we make every single day. The little choices
Speaker 1: lead up to the big choices. You know, life is
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of you know, small decisions that lead
Speaker 1: to big decisions. And so the better men can come
Speaker 1: into awareness of themselves, who they are, what their mission is,
Speaker 1: who's coming with them, where they're going. The more they
Speaker 1: can come into contact with that, the more they can
Speaker 1: take at home and be the hero of their own journey.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmmm mmm. The some of our lives is found
Speaker 1: in the tiny details. Always. Mastery is found in the
Speaker 1: simple daily details of ourselves and that peace right Like,
Speaker 1: and I love that you're you know, just um, I
Speaker 1: love the way you're framing the simplicity of it, but
Speaker 1: I also want to make sure that I fully reflect back.
Speaker 1: Like what you're calling simplicity is how the world changes.
Speaker 1: It's how we reprogram our souls. It's how it's how
Speaker 1: we find God, it's how we live with God. You
Speaker 1: know that that our day is really beautiful, that you
Speaker 1: with your child, it's beautiful that you said that's how
Speaker 1: we find God. Because at that gathering, I was referencing
Speaker 1: in Joshua tree in that was that was one of
Speaker 1: That was actually my check out of that space. I
Speaker 1: was like, I feel the presence of God in this circle,
Speaker 1: not because there's someone here preaching, not because there's someone
Speaker 1: here that's saying they're better than the rest of us,
Speaker 1: but because of our connection to each other. Because we're
Speaker 1: able to see each other. Now I can start to
Speaker 1: to see God. I can see myself in you. And
Speaker 1: if I acknowledge that there's a there's an aspect of
Speaker 1: me that is source and you. You don't have to
Speaker 1: use the word God if that doesn't resonate, but there's
Speaker 1: an aspect of yourself that is source. You are source energy.
Speaker 1: And then when we can recognize that in others, we
Speaker 1: begin to make better choices. And men on this planet
Speaker 1: have been making choices that are detrimental to the earth
Speaker 1: it self, to the feminine, to each other, to the masculine,
Speaker 1: and it's time to start making better choices. And the
Speaker 1: only way we can do that is through a collective
Speaker 1: witnessing and understanding that there is a better way to
Speaker 1: live on this planet. And I call that brotherhood. You know,
Speaker 1: I've experienced it in my own life, the power of
Speaker 1: brotherhood and sisterhood as well, and coming together in sacred
Speaker 1: union as community that comes that comes after you know,
Speaker 1: that's a that is a byproduct of of what happens
Speaker 1: when we come together. And so yeah, I'm curious for
Speaker 1: you if you have sisterhood in your life, if you
Speaker 1: resonate with with what that means to sit in ceremony
Speaker 1: or to sit with your girls, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I live my life in ceremony. I live a very
Speaker 1: very devotional life, and ceremony daily ritual is what. Um.
Speaker 1: It changed everything about every lifetime I've ever had and
Speaker 1: every possibility for the future of my lineage. UM. And
Speaker 1: that was the piece. And thank you for asking me
Speaker 1: that question, because I think I'm someone that has been
Speaker 1: on the path for a really long time, you know,
Speaker 1: just as a highly sensitive, deeply intuitive child than moving
Speaker 1: into you know, the world. And I've always been on
Speaker 1: a quest I've always been a seeker, always, always, always,
Speaker 1: I was the child with a self help book. You know,
Speaker 1: I wanted to understand humanity really deeply and understand myself. Um.
Speaker 1: And from a cognitive standpoint that was happening. Um. And
Speaker 1: then it wasn't until I really would say, like two
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen for myself as well, that I understood I
Speaker 1: had to get out of my brain. I had to
Speaker 1: get out of understanding people, um, cognitively or kind of
Speaker 1: doing these psychoanalysis on every interaction and every human that
Speaker 1: I knew, And I had to I had to bring
Speaker 1: that down into my heart and that depth of awakening.
Speaker 1: Um Uh. Nothing about the world is ever the same again.
Speaker 1: And you also the way you relate to yourself, um,
Speaker 1: the way you relate to the observations you may have
Speaker 1: been making about society and about humanity, You're just never
Speaker 1: the same. And I think a space I shared this
Speaker 1: recently and I've actually found myself in conversation about it
Speaker 1: quite a bit. But one of my one of my teachers, UM,
Speaker 1: Dr Ron Holnick, I remember I had this this moment
Speaker 1: where in all my understanding of trauma of people who
Speaker 1: have been abusive in the world, people who have been
Speaker 1: abused in the world. I just came to the deep
Speaker 1: love of really both sides. And I remember he said
Speaker 1: to me, you know, now you have entered the chapter
Speaker 1: of life of unbearable compassion, and all the moments are
Speaker 1: really just unbearable compassion happening, and you come into an
Speaker 1: acceptance of it and you relate to it, buying with it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know you saying that that really you
Speaker 1: connecting to that moment where the version of you, this
Speaker 1: being Adam, probably stepped aside and it became more of
Speaker 1: a channel for God's work and the way that you
Speaker 1: were meant to share with others and meant to help
Speaker 1: them unlock themselves. I just see that really deep. I
Speaker 1: just really honor that, um, the work that you're doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. It's just the most important work, the most
Speaker 1: important work one could do with their lives for all
Speaker 1: of humanity. And it's incredible and I'm so grateful you.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. That that brings up several things for me. Um. First,
Speaker 1: this is thank you for for that acknowledgement. The second
Speaker 1: is it's not me, you know, I did, I did,
Speaker 1: I did have to step out of way. First of all,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a there's a core of us at
Speaker 1: the center. You know, I don't hold this alone, which
Speaker 1: is why I'm able to easily step into it and
Speaker 1: too help steward this work. This is not something that
Speaker 1: we invented. Yes we named it, Yes we gave it
Speaker 1: structure as the masculine does. But this is truly a
Speaker 1: co created movement. Feel me and in the most Highest
Speaker 1: president it at all times. And not only that, but
Speaker 1: Spirit has been with us as sacred sons. Once we
Speaker 1: agreed and once we put that uh, you know, call
Speaker 1: out to you could say the universe, you could say,
Speaker 1: great Spirit. Whatever you want to say, I will say.
Speaker 1: Once you put the call into spirit. Spirit has been
Speaker 1: meeting us at every step of the way. But the
Speaker 1: only way that can happen is if we stay in integrity.
Speaker 1: And so this is this is a key to all
Speaker 1: of this. You know, I think from my in my
Speaker 1: personal journey, UM, I have been fulfilled throughout my life
Speaker 1: in different endeavors. UM. And one thing that I understand
Speaker 1: to be true is that when you make that kind
Speaker 1: of a commitment to Spirit, the deal is if I
Speaker 1: stay in integrity and I do what I say, then
Speaker 1: the universe is gonna have my back. Universe has got me,
Speaker 1: spirits got me, God's got me, and you can you
Speaker 1: can reference all of the greats. They all say the same.
Speaker 1: And so the integrity that we have um as human
Speaker 1: beings is so vital to our fulfillment, not to our accomplishment,
Speaker 1: not to how much money we make, but to our fulfillment,
Speaker 1: Like how how close do we come to touching our
Speaker 1: own soul? That's what fulfillment is. It's like, Wow, I
Speaker 1: did something that resonates so deeply with who I am
Speaker 1: on the soul level. And that type of fulfillment you
Speaker 1: cannot outsource. I can just keep going and going. If
Speaker 1: you just want me to talk, I want to have
Speaker 1: five hours. Um okay, so there's three places I would
Speaker 1: really like to go, and I also want to honor
Speaker 1: your time. But I hope we can move through these things. Um.
Speaker 1: The piece that you just spoke to my God, UM,
Speaker 1: I would just like to further amplify that message. There
Speaker 1: is nothing there. There should be in my view, and
Speaker 1: for those that can receive this, there should be nothing
Speaker 1: more important in your life than your spiritual integrity. Nothing.
Speaker 1: It is the basis for all the things, and it
Speaker 1: is the piece that will always keep you divinely aligned,
Speaker 1: which when you're divinely aligned, that extends itself to unseen
Speaker 1: and seen, protection, that extends itself to grace and ease
Speaker 1: and every old things, that extends itself to you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people enter, I think, into the path
Speaker 1: of healing themselves because they want to connect to a purpose,
Speaker 1: you know, this idea of purpose that we begin to
Speaker 1: really instruct societally. That's a great entry point to spiritual
Speaker 1: integrity allows that UM and you know, when it comes
Speaker 1: to those moment by moment decisions and when we speak
Speaker 1: to what is integrity? You know, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of I would like to root in that for a
Speaker 1: second atom because I think something that has kept many
Speaker 1: of us from ourselves for so long is a misunderstanding
Speaker 1: of language or a misapplication of language, or you know,
Speaker 1: seeing seeing definitions for certain words um, based on the
Speaker 1: way that our families of origin or society have reflected
Speaker 1: them for us. But you know, spiritual integrity being an
Speaker 1: integrity with oneself that is in each moment, not just
Speaker 1: making choices for highest good, which does not mean choices
Speaker 1: necessarily of pleasure or choices of you know, benefit, making
Speaker 1: choices of highest good for yourself and all concerned. So
Speaker 1: it means even in the smallest moment, it's not making
Speaker 1: the quote unquote right choice all the time, right where
Speaker 1: humans were flawed. But it's making, you know, the integral choice.
Speaker 1: It's making a choice out of in openness and heart.
Speaker 1: There is not fear present, there is not malice present,
Speaker 1: there is not um personal societal benefit present. And it's
Speaker 1: the kind of choice you make that even if only
Speaker 1: one person knows of this choice. You know, even if
Speaker 1: no one knows of this choice, you hold that honor
Speaker 1: in yourself at each moment. Yeah. Absolutely, How I related
Speaker 1: to what you said, What do you do when no
Speaker 1: one is watching? This is integrity, you know, like and
Speaker 1: I want to I want to say this as well.
Speaker 1: The beautiful thing about this time that we're in is
Speaker 1: we don't even have to do anything. The shadows are
Speaker 1: coming into the light. Devy is happening with whether you're
Speaker 1: in the river or not. Your shadows are coming into
Speaker 1: the light in my own, my own personal shadows too.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to make any illusions that
Speaker 1: I'm a perfect person. There are no perfect people. Um
Speaker 1: and the invitation is not to strive for perfection or
Speaker 1: for the image of perfection, but to strive for actively
Speaker 1: showing up and participating in your life. And so what
Speaker 1: that looks like for me, My family is my spiritual practice.
Speaker 1: There's no yoga studio or for church on this planet
Speaker 1: that can inform me of how I'm showing up better
Speaker 1: than my family, who's with me day and day out, right,
Speaker 1: So that's that's where my spiritual practice, that's where my deepest,
Speaker 1: most challenging, most confronting pieces are. So if I have to,
Speaker 1: I have to be real about So whatever it is
Speaker 1: for for you, for for for you, and I'm speaking
Speaker 1: to you as who's listening to this right now, find
Speaker 1: your spiritual practice. You know that could look like devoting
Speaker 1: yourself to a um plethora of different things. And then
Speaker 1: the next step from here it's to do what you
Speaker 1: say you are going to do. And so what you
Speaker 1: say you're going to do, like get clear, write those
Speaker 1: things down right, what's important? Love list, you make your
Speaker 1: pros and cons, list right down what's important to you.
Speaker 1: And every time I do it, when I check back
Speaker 1: in families at the top, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it's we don't we're not changing, uh so frequently
Speaker 1: that like we don't know what's important anymore. However, the
Speaker 1: invitation is to get clear on what's important to you.
Speaker 1: And then if you say that thing like follows up
Speaker 1: on it, it's we can we can keep it real simple,
Speaker 1: you know. I keep I keep referencing that because I
Speaker 1: feel like it's important. I think there's also a lot
Speaker 1: of projection. And you know, from the outside in there's
Speaker 1: always going to be judgment and that's okay, Um, but
Speaker 1: I wanna I want to invite us into you know,
Speaker 1: a reframing on what's important because it's not about what
Speaker 1: people see out there. Um. And you know what I
Speaker 1: love about what you said that I resonated with deeply
Speaker 1: is that since you were a young girl, you just
Speaker 1: had this sense you were a seeker. I have it too.
Speaker 1: I have a theory. I'm I'm bi racial and mixed.
Speaker 1: My father's black, my mother's white. More mixed people I
Speaker 1: come into contact with we have something. There's something about us.
Speaker 1: There's something and it's not just I'm talking about there is. Um,
Speaker 1: there's a shift happening on a DNA level where yeah,
Speaker 1: when you come equipped with multiple perspective, with multiple perspectives.
Speaker 1: There is something that unlocks within us. I just say
Speaker 1: it like that Bob Marley had it. You know, Bob's
Speaker 1: father was white, his mother was black. If you didn't
Speaker 1: know that, you know, there's there's certain Obama has it.
Speaker 1: You know how he captivated the world because of his spirit,
Speaker 1: because of who he is. You have that, I have that.
Speaker 1: There's others that have it, and no one's better than anyone.
Speaker 1: Not saying that, but that that's a part of the
Speaker 1: akening that's happening. And so what do we do with it?
Speaker 1: There's so much self help in the world, but where
Speaker 1: is all the helping others? Why is there a book
Speaker 1: a section of a bookstore called self help, but there's
Speaker 1: no helping others? What about receiving help? Where's the section
Speaker 1: to receive help? You know what I'm saying, Like, this
Speaker 1: life and human being is not about like being on
Speaker 1: a boat struggling to survive. You don't want to be
Speaker 1: lost at seeing this life. Receive help, receive support. And
Speaker 1: so that's largely what this work is like cultivating and
Speaker 1: it's churning, and we're here for the long game. I'm
Speaker 1: so lit up on this and not Bear and Jay
Speaker 1: and some of the We can speak to some of
Speaker 1: the specifics of events and things, but we are really
Speaker 1: giving our lives energy to this work, to cultivating um
Speaker 1: community and by region, by regions. It's not about like, hey,
Speaker 1: come to California, come to Maui and have a great weekend.
Speaker 1: We're bringing this work to Atlanta, to Baltimore, to the
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest, to Oregon, you know, and and really cultivating
Speaker 1: men to create connection within their communities. What does it
Speaker 1: look like in Atlanta when you have forty fifty two
Speaker 1: hundred it keeps building men who have witnessed each other
Speaker 1: and seeing each other and respect each other. What does
Speaker 1: that do to a to the larger community. So we'll
Speaker 1: find out. We will find out because we're here for it. Um.
Speaker 1: We're talking about integrity, and so my personal integrity what's
Speaker 1: being asked to me is like, great, I've I've figured
Speaker 1: a couple of things out for myself. I felt a
Speaker 1: couple of things out. What am I gonna do with it?
Speaker 1: Am I gonna hold it? Am I gonna stay in
Speaker 1: my isolation? Because of them? This is this game is
Speaker 1: also about inviting others to the place where you are.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people saying meet meet them where
Speaker 1: they're at, meet them where they're at. That keeps people
Speaker 1: where they're at, invite them to where you are. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: you were saying um, and this is why I was
Speaker 1: saying the piece around helping others. All my relations home
Speaker 1: attaquas this is these are ancient words that many people
Speaker 1: in the spiritual communities say, But what that's saying is
Speaker 1: all my relations. So when you were talking about making decisions,
Speaker 1: when you say a home or a home at takuyasan,
Speaker 1: that is bringing it back to all my relations. So
Speaker 1: when you do that, make decisions. I could give you
Speaker 1: my personal process. What's best for me, what's best for
Speaker 1: my family, what's best for my community, what's best for
Speaker 1: my world? Boom in that order, this is a clear
Speaker 1: way to help make decisions. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And if you if you come into um not a
Speaker 1: habit but a ritual, you know nothing nothing here should
Speaker 1: be habitual. It should be ritual, It should be filled
Speaker 1: with intention. If you make decisions with intention from that
Speaker 1: perspective of all my relations, we begin to make better
Speaker 1: decisions at an individual level, at a societal level, at
Speaker 1: a corporate level, at an industrial level all my relations
Speaker 1: mm hmm. When you were when you were speaking UM,
Speaker 1: when you were speaking to the piece about being young
Speaker 1: seekers to UM to add on that, you know, a
Speaker 1: theme that I was noticing is that even if there
Speaker 1: was not a multicultural background, if someone had like paradox present,
Speaker 1: if there was very specific contrast UM, because that's what
Speaker 1: I that's something I really resonate to in my path,
Speaker 1: Like I had this, I had very extremely different circumstances
Speaker 1: every time I looked up throughout my whole childhood. And
Speaker 1: it's like that gets your brain working in such a
Speaker 1: way to really understand how many different things are happening
Speaker 1: at one how many I guess in in in some
Speaker 1: translations like how many levels are possible, how many UM
Speaker 1: experiences are possible at really showing the spectrum of human
Speaker 1: emotion and human experience. And for me, I really related
Speaker 1: to that we are all these different recipes happening, right,
Speaker 1: Like we all have a lot of the same stuff
Speaker 1: in us, but to different degrees, and that's what makes
Speaker 1: our individuality. But that's also what makes sometimes UM our
Speaker 1: greatest spiritual curriculum that we find that's present. So for
Speaker 1: those listening, you know, start to I would really like
Speaker 1: to invite you to start looking at where we're Where
Speaker 1: were some extremes president life, And it could be something
Speaker 1: like you noticed you lived in one neighborhood, but to
Speaker 1: get to school you always passed, you know, a different
Speaker 1: kind of neighborhood, whether that was a more abundant neighborhood
Speaker 1: or a less served neighborhood, and what that brought up
Speaker 1: inside of you as a kid growing up in l A.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, having this experience of such excess
Speaker 1: in such areas in some areas, such privilege in some areas,
Speaker 1: but then sometimes living in areas where there was so
Speaker 1: much murder, crime drugs present, but having both as a
Speaker 1: part of my day, um, and so that it that
Speaker 1: can really get some of ourselves inquiry going for those
Speaker 1: listening and it's perspective. Yeah, I'll give a example for
Speaker 1: my life. Thanksgiving, I would go to two grandma's. I
Speaker 1: went to my granny's in the morning. You know, it
Speaker 1: was Green's. It was it was like bank macaroni and cheese.
Speaker 1: It was Chentlands, it was chicken hearts, it was all
Speaker 1: the things. I grew up in Dane, Ohio, So in Ohio, Okay,
Speaker 1: rest her soul, love you, you know. And the conversation
Speaker 1: at the table was one way. And in the afternoon evening,
Speaker 1: I go to my my grandma's house, my mom's mom,
Speaker 1: and the food was macaroni and cheese and not macaron
Speaker 1: macaron cheese too, but like this macaroni salad and this
Speaker 1: jello thing, and it was just a little bit was
Speaker 1: a friend. I just want to be real and it
Speaker 1: gave me a perspective. The conversation was different, and what
Speaker 1: I'm it was what I'm saying about that that being
Speaker 1: mixed being by racials having perspective, like in broad giving
Speaker 1: ourselves a broader perspective is very informing. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: people live different ways. A lot of people don't get
Speaker 1: to experience that. And so Sacred Sons we have a
Speaker 1: youth program, Son's Youth, and the way that we have
Speaker 1: set this program up is it's a one to one model,
Speaker 1: so for every family that can afford to put their
Speaker 1: kid in a program, it's an eight week online program.
Speaker 1: We talk about emotional intelligence, emotional resilience. It's really giving
Speaker 1: young men a place to ask questions and a place
Speaker 1: to to find guidance and mentorship. But for every family
Speaker 1: that can send their child, we scholarship another young man.
Speaker 1: And so what happens is you got one man from
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, one young man from Beverly Hills, and another
Speaker 1: from let's say side of Chicago. But they're in the
Speaker 1: same zoom call every single week for eight weeks. You
Speaker 1: know what that does to your perspective and what you
Speaker 1: know that the most interesting thing is on day one,
Speaker 1: these the boys all meet and we we do like
Speaker 1: little exercises and games, get to know you kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And the first the first initial sentiment is young men
Speaker 1: feeling like I don't have anything in common with these
Speaker 1: other guys. Right. But through then through the contact, through
Speaker 1: the connection, through the conversation, what happens is they go, oh,
Speaker 1: they're worried about the same things that I am. They
Speaker 1: have similar questions that I have at a young age.
Speaker 1: We you know, we we have a cohort that's eleven
Speaker 1: to fourteen. We have another cohort that's fifteen to nineteen
Speaker 1: for the young men. These are all led by three
Speaker 1: mentors per cohort. And what's happening is we're broadening the
Speaker 1: perspectives of these young men. Again, this is not rocket science.
Speaker 1: This is not indoctrination. This is connection. And when we
Speaker 1: begin to broaden our perspectives through real experience, not through
Speaker 1: not through the internet, not through watching someone else do
Speaker 1: something else, but through our real experience, only then can
Speaker 1: we begin to utilize the breadth of that perspective to
Speaker 1: make changes in our own lives, to make better choices. Again,
Speaker 1: even for the young men, it's still about making better choices.
Speaker 1: And and because of this program, I've I've I personally
Speaker 1: mentor a few young men, and I'm talking about these
Speaker 1: these kids nowadays, they're coming with real problems, real opportunities,
Speaker 1: real situations. What am I seeing? Yeah, I'm seeing a
Speaker 1: lot of this, you know, technology, I'm seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of uh again the outsourcing, right, yes, And so I'm
Speaker 1: also seeing um fear, I'm seeing violence, I'm seeing drug use. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing I don't know what else there is specifically,
Speaker 1: you know nowadays, after after COVID, it's like, um, a
Speaker 1: lot of young men were were further pushed into isolation
Speaker 1: and more on their screens. And I got nothing against
Speaker 1: video games truly, Like if if you love video games,
Speaker 1: that's great, um, And there's a way to play video
Speaker 1: games with intention as well. Um, there's also there's also um,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to I have a I
Speaker 1: have to have to keep things confidential, so I don't
Speaker 1: really like to share specific examples. But I'm talking about
Speaker 1: young men as young as twelve thirteen with access to drugs, weapons, um,
Speaker 1: the internet. And so what happens when when you you're
Speaker 1: you're exposed to all this with little to no guidance.
Speaker 1: What happens? Yeah, that that is that can on a
Speaker 1: young male's brain have the same effect as a sexual
Speaker 1: abuse or trauma, having too early access to pornography, but
Speaker 1: you don't understand what's happening. Yeah, yeah, And it's a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, it's it's important to note that
Speaker 1: it's never like too late, um to calling guidance or mentorship.
Speaker 1: And so we have men in our spaces as old
Speaker 1: as sixty and seventy. They don't talk to their children.
Speaker 1: You know, they've they've they've maybe self destructed or or
Speaker 1: hurt relationships in their lives because they've never been able
Speaker 1: to feel so like the saying that I like, um man,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm oh got it. There's a quote from Frederick
Speaker 1: Douglas which is it's easier to raise strong boys than
Speaker 1: to repair broken men. So, Frederick Douglas, I hear you.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, And so a lot of the mission
Speaker 1: for us as sacred sons. Yes, we do mask on
Speaker 1: alchemy and men's work, but we're shifting to help raise
Speaker 1: strong boys so that we don't have to repair broken men.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that this program makes your child
Speaker 1: perfect again, let's be real. But will it influence and
Speaker 1: encourage them to make better choices? A hundred thousand per cent.
Speaker 1: And I can say that with clarity and sincerity because
Speaker 1: I'm witnessing it. I'm witnessing it UM in so many ways.
Speaker 1: And I've seen young men stop using gergs. I've seen
Speaker 1: young men UM be honest about things that they have
Speaker 1: in their possession which are illegal. I don't even want
Speaker 1: to be that specific, but and and and be honest
Speaker 1: about it and get rid of it or take it
Speaker 1: to the the appropriate authorities or bring it to their parents,
Speaker 1: just from a little bit of guidance and in tourship.
Speaker 1: And so you know, I'm I'm getting emotional about that
Speaker 1: because it's like, oh, that's what I needed, That's what
Speaker 1: we need, you know, there's a time in each of
Speaker 1: our lives where it's like we need guidance, So where
Speaker 1: do we get it? And I'm also you know, if
Speaker 1: there's anything to be proud about, it's it's about the
Speaker 1: fact that we are scholarshipping in so many men. We
Speaker 1: are not doing this for um to make money. And
Speaker 1: in fact, this is not something This is not like
Speaker 1: an endeavor to set out to make money, although spirits
Speaker 1: with us right until the opportunities are abundant, and so
Speaker 1: being able to scholarship in men um and provide them
Speaker 1: mentorship in connection like it's it's really special dropping ship.
Speaker 1: So I do not have enough time left with you
Speaker 1: to go into this next space that I want to go,
Speaker 1: but I Part two soon comes because another love. This
Speaker 1: is okay, This is okay because you know, hopefully for
Speaker 1: those listening, if if this is your first time hearing
Speaker 1: of Sacred songs or even of of an organization that
Speaker 1: serves men and young men in this way, um, this
Speaker 1: is a this is an emergent culture um that's happening.
Speaker 1: And so get connected with us Instagram at Sacred Sons, Facebook, TikTok,
Speaker 1: all those things. We have an amazing crew of photographers
Speaker 1: and videographers making some incredible media that people can connect with.
Speaker 1: The podcast, Sacred Sons Podcast, I do an episode of
Speaker 1: every week or so you can just join the conversation
Speaker 1: that way, and we're we're continually UM developing more and
Speaker 1: more ways for for people to engage with us. Because
Speaker 1: there's so many layers before you actually cross that threshold
Speaker 1: into the desert. I get it, there's a lot that
Speaker 1: may need to UM settle before that happens, and so
Speaker 1: there are ways to to access us, access this work, UM,
Speaker 1: you know, from the safety and comfort of your home.
Speaker 1: M And I guess I want to say this too.
Speaker 1: Shout out to all the women, all the why and
Speaker 1: mothers who have sent their sons, sent their husbands. I
Speaker 1: would say fifty of the men who join us are
Speaker 1: sent by the women in their lives who love them.
Speaker 1: So thank you, UM to those women. How beautiful. I
Speaker 1: I would love UM. I'm gonna say this here, but
Speaker 1: we'll offline about it, but I would love I would
Speaker 1: love to sponsor some scholarships. I would love to donate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so we're sponsored. Sacred Sons Foundation is calling that in.
Speaker 1: We have an entire nonprofit arm UM that we have
Speaker 1: our brothers, men who are who join our community. That's
Speaker 1: that's the first thing that many of them say, how
Speaker 1: do I get more men here? I want more men
Speaker 1: to experiences And these guys are the ones that had
Speaker 1: the most resistance coming in and now after four days
Speaker 1: of connection, confrontation and celebration, they're like, how do we
Speaker 1: get more and more men to experience this? And my
Speaker 1: hope is and so yes, Sacred Sons Foundation dot org
Speaker 1: say gred Sons dot com for for everything um, and
Speaker 1: please your your donations, your attention, your support, and all
Speaker 1: your comments. It's all welcome. It's all welcome. And you know,
Speaker 1: my hope is that more and more of us start
Speaker 1: to carry the flag the beautiful burden of what it
Speaker 1: means to be in service. Mm hmmm, not to be
Speaker 1: in um, not to be in selflessness or selfishness, but
Speaker 1: to be of service. There's many ways to be of service.
Speaker 1: So how do we utilize our gifts, our tools or
Speaker 1: skills or wisdom to be of service to others? This
Speaker 1: is a time on this planet that's really asking for
Speaker 1: that and we're in it. And um, you know, Sacred
Speaker 1: Suns is a part of a movement of of awakening.
Speaker 1: And if that word doesn't resonate, or raising consciousness doesn't resonate,
Speaker 1: come back to connection. This is a movement of connection
Speaker 1: and the more as human beings that we can be connected,
Speaker 1: we can look each other in the eyes, we can
Speaker 1: be in residence. I believe that it is UM. You know,
Speaker 1: it's better for our planet, it's better for our young
Speaker 1: ones who are coming in. Like I said in the beginning,
Speaker 1: I'm raising three strong boys right now, you know, raising
Speaker 1: their consciousness. It's my it's my utmost responsibility as her father.
Speaker 1: And there's another there's a there's more responsibility for us.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And this is a quote
Speaker 1: from Stephen Jenkinson, who I just spoke to recently, who
Speaker 1: is an elder UM. But as men, it's like we
Speaker 1: we should be we should consider ourselves the father of
Speaker 1: everyone's children. And so what that means is we are
Speaker 1: all born in this into this life through a mother,
Speaker 1: through the Great Mother. So let's treat each other like that, like,
Speaker 1: let's let's embody that there's there's enough, there's enough uh nonsense, hatred,
Speaker 1: uh lies being spread out there. It's time for the new,
Speaker 1: It's time for the new paradigm. We're here for it,
Speaker 1: here for it, here for it. Mm hmm. I have
Speaker 1: my son is turning for UM next month, and when
Speaker 1: he hits eleven, you will be at that thing. You
Speaker 1: will be out with you all. I cannot wait. UM, Adam,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: for coming on the show. Thank you so deeply to
Speaker 1: you and all of the incredible men that do this
Speaker 1: work with you. I'm so grateful for all of you.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for your life. Thank you for being
Speaker 1: a serve us. Thank you for answering your call. Thank
Speaker 1: you for creating this space. Thank you for allowing God
Speaker 1: in this this work that you were doing. It is profound,
Speaker 1: is gorgeous. It is just so honorable, and I'm so thankful.
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me. You're welcome. Thank you. You
Speaker 1: deserve it, We deserve it, and we're worthy of it
Speaker 1: as human beings. Thank you. Devye. I hope we dropped
Speaker 1: some gems for your listeners today. Yeah. Once again, so
Speaker 1: so grateful, Thank you, Adam Jackson. Everyone listening to the show,
Speaker 1: whether you identify as MAIL or you are connected to
Speaker 1: a mail that you love. UM, I would love to
Speaker 1: once again point you in the direction of Adam's Instagram
Speaker 1: page Sacred Sons Instagram page. You can go to Adam
Speaker 1: Underscore Jackson on i G and also at Sacred Sons
Speaker 1: on i G the website Sacred Sons dot com. So
Speaker 1: now diving into our soul work for this episode, I
Speaker 1: want to revisit the card that popped from my Caramel
Speaker 1: Bliss affirmation deck at the beginning of this episode, and
Speaker 1: I want you to notice where it lands now having
Speaker 1: connected to Adam's work and the work of Sacred Son.
Speaker 1: I want to invite you in this moment to once
Speaker 1: again connect to your breath. Allow your body to become
Speaker 1: still soft but still supportive, and if it's safe and comfortable,
Speaker 1: gently close your eyes. Connect to my words here as
Speaker 1: you focus on your breath, and we're just noticing where
Speaker 1: this affirmation wants to land and what it might want
Speaker 1: to bring forward. I am open to receiving all that
Speaker 1: is necessary for my spiritual evolution. I am open to
Speaker 1: receiving all that is necessary for my spiritual evolution. I
Speaker 1: am open to receiving all that is necessary for my
Speaker 1: spiritual evolution. And if they were closed, just allow yourself
Speaker 1: to gently open your eyes here, come back into your
Speaker 1: heart space now. I want to invite you kind of
Speaker 1: moved through this week. However, whenever you're listening to this
Speaker 1: episode instead of journaling this week, um and really diving
Speaker 1: into this affirmation, especially from some of the bigger contexts
Speaker 1: that was shared in this episode, to be open to
Speaker 1: receiving all that is necessary for one spiritual evolution is
Speaker 1: to be in a space of acceptance of what is.
Speaker 1: And to accept what is does not mean that you
Speaker 1: have to prefer it or like it, but you're just
Speaker 1: present with what is present in your life and is
Speaker 1: there opportunity to open more to whatever is at play
Speaker 1: in your life right now, whatever patterns are presenting, whatever
Speaker 1: story is unfolding, whatever pains are processing, whatever purpose is evolving,
Speaker 1: saying to yourself, journaling for yourself in openness where your
Speaker 1: highest good. Write down a couple of ways today. But
Speaker 1: even if you're not loving it and some of you,
Speaker 1: maybe what are some ways that you are being open
Speaker 1: to your spiritual evolution in this moment? Just drop them down.
Speaker 1: They don't have to be these, you know, massive ways.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they are. Sometimes we are struck with major catalysts
Speaker 1: for growth, and sometimes it's through um small disappointments and
Speaker 1: irritations or new opportunities and subsort um. Maybe there's an
Speaker 1: offer curiosity that's present to you. Just write down what
Speaker 1: are you beginning to notice is unfolding on your behalf
Speaker 1: for your spiritual evolution and is there is an opportunity
Speaker 1: to be even more open, stretched and expanded to receive it.
Speaker 1: There's some thoughts for your consideration. I hope you'll have
Speaker 1: some some fun with that sometimes. Set aside for that,
Speaker 1: all right, big love at you guys. Next week hit
Speaker 1: me on the Graham at Debbie Brown. Go ahead and
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