Speaker 1: We're back in person. Is it live or is it memoris?
Speaker 1: There's an old school I don't know that one or seventies,
Speaker 1: early eighties. It's the guy was remember the famous commercial.
Speaker 1: He's sitting on the reclining chair in front of the
Speaker 1: speakers and the speakers are so loud that the wine
Speaker 1: glass is coming back. Is it live or is it memory?
Speaker 1: I do know that. Guys, we did Adler's third birthday,
Speaker 1: Thanks for Shocky Cheese. Would you have gone to Chuck
Speaker 1: E Cheese? Hell? Yes, I should have invited you. How
Speaker 1: many tickets I have left because I haven't actually gotten
Speaker 1: the thing that I would will? Okay, what do you want?
Speaker 1: Because what I want was to be invited? But I
Speaker 1: can't have that kind of I didn't think you'd want
Speaker 1: to go to Chuck E Cheese. Chuck Cheese, games and
Speaker 1: pizza awful. We had. We had so much fun. But
Speaker 1: I got to go in the ticket machine, you know
Speaker 1: where you stand in the thing and they turn on
Speaker 1: the air because well, Adler got to go in the
Speaker 1: ticket machine. But of course he wanted Mommy to go
Speaker 1: with him. Of course I had the time of my
Speaker 1: life in there, and I was competitive and Toddler was
Speaker 1: just standing there in awe like wow, and I was
Speaker 1: like chuckout, like like do I use my shirt to collect? More?
Speaker 1: Like do I open? Like what do I do? How
Speaker 1: do can you explain what this is? Because I have
Speaker 1: been to a birthday party right it's like you're blowing air.
Speaker 1: I'm for sure we're going to end up definitely, definitely COVID.
Speaker 1: Who knows what else? You are standing in a tube
Speaker 1: and enclosed tube with the dirty paper other people, lots
Speaker 1: of people have stood on, sneezed on who knows what.
Speaker 1: And then they turn on hot recycled air and the
Speaker 1: tickets go everywhere and you gather as many tickets as
Speaker 1: you can. And Adler was so cute because he just
Speaker 1: thought the whole thing was so cool. And then he
Speaker 1: had one ticket and he was like got it and
Speaker 1: I was like no, no, you need to get more
Speaker 1: of him. And then he got another one and he
Speaker 1: was like one in each chance, I'm done, baby, and
Speaker 1: I had so anyway, we had a great time. I
Speaker 1: can't believe I have a three year old. I don't
Speaker 1: know how that happens. I feel the same way every
Speaker 1: time you mentioned how old India is. When you say
Speaker 1: I have a seven year old, I'm like, how is
Speaker 1: that possible? It's crazy because I was just talking with
Speaker 1: Indie yesterday about working on Girl Meets World before he
Speaker 1: was born. Gosh, yeah we were. He was like, well,
Speaker 1: how old was that one Girl Meets World ended? And
Speaker 1: I realized like, oh, you were only like two. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: But I remember Alex being pregnant on set when you
Speaker 1: were directing, and she was Alex is the cutest pregnant
Speaker 1: lady I've ever seen in my entire life. She hated it.
Speaker 1: I know she's beautiful in general. That is true, but
Speaker 1: that is true. My oldest nephew, who was a child,
Speaker 1: announced last week that he's getting married. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: So it is that kind of but he's probably not
Speaker 1: really a child. So but it's like one of those
Speaker 1: things where it's like, you can't be getting married you're eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, gross, that happens fast. We also follow my
Speaker 1: new podcast stuff Will wasn't invited to um starting wedding
Speaker 1: and then going right to uhs third birthday party. We
Speaker 1: invited Adler's entire class, so his whole school and all
Speaker 1: their siblings and so we had probably eighty some odd
Speaker 1: people there and he first of all, he's never had
Speaker 1: like a big event outside of seeing his friends at school.
Speaker 1: So when they arrived, he was like what and his
Speaker 1: friends Sammy ran up and gave him a huge hug,
Speaker 1: and just seeing him like with his life that no
Speaker 1: longer includes me. Yeah, he's he's three. It's got a
Speaker 1: whole life at school. But anyway, it was really fun.
Speaker 1: But so anyway, I was thinking, like, is that do
Speaker 1: you want to see eight three year olds running around
Speaker 1: nothing whatsoever to do with that. I would have been
Speaker 1: doing ski ball, I would have been playing video games,
Speaker 1: and I would have been eating pizza. That's what I
Speaker 1: would have That's what I would have been tickets from kids.
Speaker 1: It's not stealing if they don't put up a fight.
Speaker 1: That's all I gotta say. Welcome to pod Meats World,
Speaker 1: Danielle Fishal, I'm right strong, and I'm Wilford Dell. Oh Man.
Speaker 1: It was so great to have Marty on the show.
Speaker 1: He's so great. Um, I hope we run into him
Speaker 1: again at a con. He is in this episode, but
Speaker 1: if I am not mistaken, well, this episode that we're
Speaker 1: about ready to cover is episode number one oh six
Speaker 1: Boys to MENSA Loves straight up nineties title nineties title,
Speaker 1: I Love it so much. It originally aired on October
Speaker 1: and Corey cheats on a n i Q test and
Speaker 1: decides to run with it. A MENSA representative comes to
Speaker 1: test him at home, so he finally comes clean to
Speaker 1: his parents and Affini that he is not actually a genius. Shocking, shocking,
Speaker 1: shocking that Corey is not actually a genius. So, um,
Speaker 1: he is in this episode, but he does not have
Speaker 1: any lines, is not really featured. He's in the classroom.
Speaker 1: He's a background actor in the scene or in the
Speaker 1: scene in this episode. Forgive me, and um, yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought this episode was really cute. It was written by
Speaker 1: Michael Jacobs. April Kelly and Jeannette could teach us, Burly,
Speaker 1: I do not know. You don't know Jeannette Katitis Burly
Speaker 1: remember you you don't know. I'm not going to tell
Speaker 1: you I don't remember her at all. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: this is going so far because I mean I'm trying
Speaker 1: to really, I'm trying to remember at what point I
Speaker 1: understood the writer's room, Like, at what age did I know?
Speaker 1: Because from our perspective, Michael Jacobs would be the one
Speaker 1: giving us our notes, and he did run the writer's room,
Speaker 1: but the room is physically in a different building, and
Speaker 1: we would never you know, and we weren't. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: would be there, but they wouldn't be taught. Aren't there
Speaker 1: some that stood out to you like that first season?
Speaker 1: I will never forget ken Kuda, Yes, because because of
Speaker 1: that laugh. And I became friends with Jeff Sherman within
Speaker 1: the first season. Me too if I interviewed him, because
Speaker 1: first I became friends with Minette. Was a great guy.
Speaker 1: But there was also a lot of other people that
Speaker 1: we didn't I Rememberctor in Stress. I do too remember
Speaker 1: that first season. That was because they brought me on too,
Speaker 1: odd Man out as well, so I remember both them.
Speaker 1: They were great guys. Um I don't other than susan
Speaker 1: is Stelle Jansen. I don't remember any women from the
Speaker 1: first degree, and I don't know, so I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is someone who of course, of course, and
Speaker 1: I remembinding Arlene Grayson producer. Arlene was amazing passed away
Speaker 1: while we were doing Boy Meets World of I Believe
Speaker 1: Cancer Cancer. Our second season was dedicated to her. Was
Speaker 1: it second or third? It was second? Right? The opening
Speaker 1: the first episode of the second serion depends with a
Speaker 1: message to her, which then started a rumor that it
Speaker 1: was the Lily Nix say, because member Lily was gone
Speaker 1: our second se so people thought the little girl that
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know that there was like
Speaker 1: an online I mean, I guess I don't know if
Speaker 1: it wasn't online because there wasn't even really the Internet.
Speaker 1: But there was a rumor that eventually came back to
Speaker 1: me in the late nineties, So it was like everybody
Speaker 1: thought that that was really was Arlene Grace. I did
Speaker 1: not know that at all. No, Arlene was a sweetheart.
Speaker 1: She was our Yeah, I mean technically she was kind
Speaker 1: of like like Karen McCain was her assistant at the
Speaker 1: time or her right hand, and she was kind of
Speaker 1: the liaison between Michael and that that whole staff and
Speaker 1: everything on stage exactly. She she basically may oversaw all
Speaker 1: of the production. I just remember she would always wear
Speaker 1: the same kind of sundress with that giant pager clipped
Speaker 1: to the top of her open sundress. It would just
Speaker 1: be there the entire time. She had an infectious smile
Speaker 1: um and was a great producer for kids. She's so
Speaker 1: kind and wonderful and lovely. I have a great picture
Speaker 1: with her and I will give it to the Pod
Speaker 1: Meats World Show Instagram. But I feel bad because she
Speaker 1: has one eye half closed in it. It's the only
Speaker 1: picture I have with her, I think, but it's not
Speaker 1: the most flattering picture of her, So I feel bad.
Speaker 1: She's a beautiful woman. You know what, I'll give you
Speaker 1: the one I just found our our second at the
Speaker 1: end of first season cast vote all of us together
Speaker 1: and Michael and Arlene are sitting in the middle of
Speaker 1: the couch and we're all kind of like around her.
Speaker 1: So that'll be of that'll that's better. Yeah, she's she
Speaker 1: was an awesome lady. She really was so. Yeah. As
Speaker 1: we mentioned in this episode, Marty York is guest starring
Speaker 1: as Larry, but he's just in the background. Um. Jane Carr,
Speaker 1: who I wonder if will do you know who she is?
Speaker 1: She's a very successful voice over I do know Jane Carr.
Speaker 1: She is an incredible voice over actor. She's also just
Speaker 1: an incredible actor. She was hysterical in this She's so.
Speaker 1: She has a real Bernardette Peter's vibe. She does. It's
Speaker 1: a very just that dry bringing in that dry kind
Speaker 1: of British humor. It was awesome. Yeah. And then Sam
Speaker 1: Horrigan is costumed Kid number two and Dusty Gould as
Speaker 1: costumed Kid number three. We're searching for Yeah, we're talking
Speaker 1: about Dusty. So Dusty, if you are listening to this,
Speaker 1: please get in touch with us. Write us at pod
Speaker 1: Meats World Show at gmail dot com. Please, we would
Speaker 1: love to have you on as a guest. We will
Speaker 1: bring you to Chuck e cheese. Dusty will please just
Speaker 1: get in touch us because we have so many questions,
Speaker 1: we really do. Um, so yeah, please reach out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so let's hop into the recap unless anyone has anything
Speaker 1: they'd like to talk about. First, I'm good. I definitely
Speaker 1: remember shooting this episode, um, which was good because I
Speaker 1: didn't remember the episode itself. But like when I while
Speaker 1: I was watching, I was like, oh, yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: wearing that mask. I remember, isn't that being in that outfit?
Speaker 1: And I actually had a pretty significant partner. You did,
Speaker 1: And it's the first time we see you in the
Speaker 1: Matthews house well other than the hair. The hair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're kind of more one of the shooting of
Speaker 1: the with the no that was in this that's in
Speaker 1: this episode, right, getting so confused, But this is really
Speaker 1: where they seem to start to establish Corey and Sean.
Speaker 1: Yes that Sean is this you know, bad influence. You
Speaker 1: have a character, there's the actual character there, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's the two of them are going to be connected.
Speaker 1: I wonder if this was I mean, I wonder if
Speaker 1: this was really the episode where they kind of discovered that.
Speaker 1: It seems to be. I mean it totally, it totally
Speaker 1: seems to be the seed for everything to come between
Speaker 1: Corey and Yeah. Um, we start in Phoenie's classroom, where,
Speaker 1: of course, because I notice that there is another girl
Speaker 1: in the front in the front seat where too, Pengas
Speaker 1: in the last episode, the episode we talked about with Lee,
Speaker 1: there was a different girl in the front seat. So
Speaker 1: they just keep putting a different girl in that front
Speaker 1: seat from death the female death chair. Except yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess because I did one of four and then just
Speaker 1: wasn't back for a few episodes. Um. So in the classroom,
Speaker 1: Corey has a red clown nose on. He's making faces
Speaker 1: to Sean while Mr Feenie is speaking. He tells Poenie
Speaker 1: he's trying out the nose for his clown Halloween costume,
Speaker 1: and Foenie compliments Mangus on his excellent schoolwork. Per usual.
Speaker 1: Can we all talk about Hocomb? Yeah, I had the
Speaker 1: first time I heard it, so the first time you've
Speaker 1: mentioned it, I didn't remember hearing it in the episode,
Speaker 1: and then you mentioned that he didn't do it in
Speaker 1: an episode. And last night I was writing notes, so
Speaker 1: I was looking down and I just heard holcome, and
Speaker 1: I went, wait, welcome. So here's the funny thing. He
Speaker 1: says how come in this scene at least six times,
Speaker 1: but only one of them is a hold come, and
Speaker 1: it's the one that's the first one he says. He says, Holcombe. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's talking about Corey obviously. Yeah. Cory says that
Speaker 1: Corey gets a see on his test, and he compares
Speaker 1: it to the student next to him who also got
Speaker 1: to see. But Phenie had different feedback for both of them.
Speaker 1: One of them was, you know, nice effort and the
Speaker 1: other one was, you know, a little disparaging to Corey.
Speaker 1: And he says, hold come. He gets, you know, praised
Speaker 1: and I don't. And then then he goes up to
Speaker 1: Phoenie's desk and come, and he says, how come, how
Speaker 1: come this? How come this? And he says, how come
Speaker 1: a bunch of different times and it's totally fine, but
Speaker 1: the first one is is a definite Holcomb hol Come.
Speaker 1: It's great. Um. So Corey asks Peeny why he never
Speaker 1: picks on Mincus and he says, well, Mincus gets nothing
Speaker 1: but a's And Corey says, Mincus gets away with anything
Speaker 1: like making paper airplanes, and we get great, It's so cute.
Speaker 1: It's a great joke. Alane will never get over how
Speaker 1: incredible props departments are on sets. It is absolute magic.
Speaker 1: You realize a prop department would get the script the
Speaker 1: same time we talked about getting the script, so the
Speaker 1: night before an episode. Now, to be fair, outlines go
Speaker 1: out a week or two ahead of time, where there's
Speaker 1: some notice, notice if it's gonna be something major, usually
Speaker 1: exactly like we're gonna need it, we're gonna do this.
Speaker 1: They may have known that a paper airplane was going
Speaker 1: to be in it, but maybe not, but they probably
Speaker 1: found out they needed to have an elaborate, awesome paper
Speaker 1: airplane the night or two before they needed to have
Speaker 1: that done, and then they just make it happen. And
Speaker 1: I have had a shelf sitting on the floor of
Speaker 1: my house for six months because and I think, how
Speaker 1: how are people so good at this? Um? I loved
Speaker 1: our art department is the most mysterious to me because
Speaker 1: I have no talent like drawing, more ability to think
Speaker 1: in those kinds of visual prop terms, like I just
Speaker 1: can't build anything, just not. But it's also what I
Speaker 1: think is kind of the most important, Like I love
Speaker 1: it in terms of filmmaking, like that's I love when
Speaker 1: the art department feels realistic and lived in or when
Speaker 1: it takes both stances. I think it makes or breaks.
Speaker 1: I was like, um, you know a movie that I
Speaker 1: couldn't stand but I still loved because of the art
Speaker 1: department was a joker, like the way that that art
Speaker 1: department was able to create New York in the nineteen
Speaker 1: eighties in that like gritty, it's like a very specific
Speaker 1: world and that's all art departments and like, yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think it's it's like the most it's the most
Speaker 1: difficult part of the job for me to wrap my
Speaker 1: head around, but it's also the most important. Now. I know,
Speaker 1: it's a circle, which is not the hardest shape in
Speaker 1: the world to make, but you create. You built your
Speaker 1: wife's wedding ring. Yeah you No, You're like, I have
Speaker 1: no challenge. I can't wrap my brain around it. And
Speaker 1: then from scrap you smelted the metal amout. You just
Speaker 1: wanted to say the word because soon I've literally talked
Speaker 1: about this where it's like Rider, It's like I see
Speaker 1: you out there with a pickaxing in the world to
Speaker 1: have done, and it makes us love you so much
Speaker 1: that you are such a romantic that it wasn't just
Speaker 1: enough for you to design. It's kind of embarrassing. Actually
Speaker 1: the story, No, I just it's because my dad had
Speaker 1: made my mom's ring. My dad, my dad had made
Speaker 1: a wax a lost wax casting, which is where you
Speaker 1: carve a ring and wax and then you create a
Speaker 1: mold from that and then use that mold to pour
Speaker 1: the gold or silver or whatever metal into the mold
Speaker 1: and you have a ring. Uh. So I had always
Speaker 1: grown up right, like my dad was always super crafty,
Speaker 1: built the house and grew up in and and he
Speaker 1: was an artist and a draftsman, and he could do
Speaker 1: all those kinds of things. And I think he had
Speaker 1: done it as part of a class he had taken
Speaker 1: a jewelry making class when when they were together, and
Speaker 1: so he did this anyway. So I always knew that
Speaker 1: in the back of my mind as a sort of
Speaker 1: family story, and so that's why I did it. And
Speaker 1: I had to ask around friends and friends, like does
Speaker 1: anybody know anybody who actually like makes jewelry? And I
Speaker 1: found a guy in Echo Um and Echo Park, and
Speaker 1: I went to his house for four weeks and he
Speaker 1: four weeks well, and then they cut his line. You
Speaker 1: seriously were crazy lived at a guy's house. Guys, I
Speaker 1: would go what would have I was writing at the
Speaker 1: time with my brother downtown l A. And I was
Speaker 1: living in Silver like with Alex, So I would have
Speaker 1: to go to my work, which writing with my brother.
Speaker 1: But I would really sneak away for like an hour
Speaker 1: or two to go into this basement where this guy
Speaker 1: had made and he would he taught me how to
Speaker 1: do like the basics, and then I would just have
Speaker 1: to sit there and carve. And he he was like
Speaker 1: he was like trying to be like my Mr Miogi.
Speaker 1: He was like he wouldn't let me use his tools.
Speaker 1: I had to get all my own tools. And then
Speaker 1: and you're never going to do again we're never gonna do.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I like you the reason we're having
Speaker 1: this conversations. I was bad at it, like I was shaky.
Speaker 1: I'm not good at like fine be a surgeon. No, no,
Speaker 1: really bad one. And the ring is pretty ugly. It
Speaker 1: is my wife doesn't wear it anymore. And you know
Speaker 1: it was I was trying to incorporate diamonds because oh
Speaker 1: it's a it's a I mean, you know it's it's
Speaker 1: an engagement ring. I want to incorporate diamonds. Anyway. I
Speaker 1: didn't make the diamonds, did you know. But I had
Speaker 1: to go get them. I had to go downtown. He
Speaker 1: sent me downtown to like get my own gold and
Speaker 1: get my own time. So I spent weeks like going
Speaker 1: through this weird secret journey of like, yeah, someday I'll
Speaker 1: read I'll read a story about it, because it was
Speaker 1: it was actually pretty interesting and the guy was really
Speaker 1: interested in cookie would tell some funny stories in your story.
Speaker 1: Can the woman say no? After all that dat to happen? Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to mention that because writers like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm terrible at all this stuff that he made his
Speaker 1: wife's I was gonna say Smelt again. I just want
Speaker 1: to say that one more time. Um yeah. Oh by
Speaker 1: the way, for for the record, I think for the
Speaker 1: props department we were throwing out props. It was it
Speaker 1: was Glazer, David Glazer and Mark Patson, right correct. At
Speaker 1: first it was okay, yeah, so those are a shout out.
Speaker 1: I think they were our props all throughout because then
Speaker 1: Mark Papson left to go do Seinfeld and he only
Speaker 1: did a season of Seinfeld, and then Hector Hector came
Speaker 1: in and then I guess it didn't work out with
Speaker 1: Mark on Seinfeld and he came back to Boy and
Speaker 1: then it was mostly Hector and Mark who were who
Speaker 1: were there? Um, so yeah, they switched it up. But
Speaker 1: we we've talked about that before. We talked to Dr Papson. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's right, Dr Papson. Okay, So we moved into the
Speaker 1: school hallway and writer is waiting for Corey in the
Speaker 1: hallway after he had detention in our Okay, I have
Speaker 1: a distinct memory of how bad of an actor I
Speaker 1: was making this scene in front of the audience. I
Speaker 1: was trying to play waiting for Corey in the opening
Speaker 1: of the thing, and I checked a watch that I
Speaker 1: didn't have remember in one of the takes. It's not
Speaker 1: in the take that, but I remember in front of
Speaker 1: the audience, I was drinking my juice or whatever I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing, and I was supposed to like
Speaker 1: but it was so it's so clear to me now
Speaker 1: that I was like indicating acting like I need to
Speaker 1: show that I'm waiting for passage of time, so I'm
Speaker 1: going to look at my and I didn't have a watch,
Speaker 1: And I remember in front of the audience looking at
Speaker 1: and down and being like, oh, that's bad acting. I
Speaker 1: have a funny Jill kill. If you wanted to turn
Speaker 1: that into a joke, that would have been great risk.
Speaker 1: This to me, by the way, in you know you've
Speaker 1: been on the show already, but this to me is
Speaker 1: the first Shawn scene. Yeah, like this was Sean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're I'm like, I'm helping him get in trouble checking
Speaker 1: the gene. Yeah, you're sitting You're not behind him in
Speaker 1: the classroom, you're not next to him in the cafeteria.
Speaker 1: You have We see your physicality, we see how tall
Speaker 1: you are in relation to this Sean for the first
Speaker 1: time on the show. That's true. Um, you know that,
Speaker 1: and I remember distinct I wrote that down. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is this is Sean. So we definitely shot this
Speaker 1: after Corey's Alternative Friends. We shot this after and it
Speaker 1: aired after Coreys alter. Yeah that makes sense because Alternative
Speaker 1: Friends would have been so this is probably soon thereafter
Speaker 1: and yeah, becoming becoming more of an actual character. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the first time it feels like Corey has
Speaker 1: a best friend who's his sidekick and together and you
Speaker 1: know you are. But the thing that's kind of interesting
Speaker 1: is you're the one trying to talk him out of
Speaker 1: doing eventually, and he's the one going, come on, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do it anyway. What's the problem? Um that that
Speaker 1: is something that never comes back. It's yeah, that never
Speaker 1: comes back. Well not really. Corey is always and kind
Speaker 1: of the timid one. Yeah, but I'm trying to think,
Speaker 1: isn't doesn't second season have a lot of like Corey
Speaker 1: Shawn Jinks. Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 1: The scheming. Remember the first episode where I talked about it,
Speaker 1: where I was like, I thought it was going to
Speaker 1: be a scheme where Corey's like, Hey, why don't we
Speaker 1: go to the game after school? And then I was
Speaker 1: waiting for that to turn into something, but just you
Speaker 1: never did. This is where this is. I think the
Speaker 1: start of Korey and Sean are always scheming, they're hatching
Speaker 1: a plan there. This is kind of the beginning and
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's very cute. Um. So Sean finds the
Speaker 1: answers to an i Q exam in the trash can,
Speaker 1: which interesting, Yeah, okay, so but sure we buy it?
Speaker 1: Well we buy it? Can we buy it? For the episode?
Speaker 1: Corey says, the answers to the i Q test is
Speaker 1: one thing that Phoenie will get. Well, is the one
Speaker 1: thing that we'll get Phoenie off his back. And I
Speaker 1: love Shawn's logic, which is this is a test that
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, righting It kind of works, I guess. But yeah,
Speaker 1: also a little ahead of its time, like i Q
Speaker 1: tests used to be a big thing that we gave
Speaker 1: kids and then put a lot on that like, oh
Speaker 1: where did you fall in the i Q? Are you
Speaker 1: average or you above average? And now we look at
Speaker 1: i Q tests and we go, really, a lot of
Speaker 1: it depends on how good you are at testing in general. Um,
Speaker 1: And they're kind of arbitrary. They don't really mean a
Speaker 1: whole lot. We don't place as much weight in them.
Speaker 1: So it's a little for Sean, it's a little ahead
Speaker 1: of his time, like, I'm not going to waste my
Speaker 1: time on this thing that doesn't mean anything. It doesn't
Speaker 1: get me an a. So he's over it, and Corey's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but what if I get to skip every test after
Speaker 1: this because Phoene thinks I'm a I'm a genius. So
Speaker 1: Sean actually tells him not to do it, but core
Speaker 1: Corey says he's not smart, and tomorrow he's going to
Speaker 1: be a genius. And sure enough, the next day we're
Speaker 1: in in Phoenie's classroom. He announces that there is a
Speaker 1: student who got the highest i Q score and who
Speaker 1: deserves a special mention bends off shucks face throughout this
Speaker 1: thing where he's just kind of like raising his eyebrows
Speaker 1: looking around like it's it's really good. He just keeps
Speaker 1: that going for the whole first half of the scene, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, is maybe aside from the fact that
Speaker 1: Phenie already knew going into it that there's no way
Speaker 1: this was legit him knowing it's him. If you were
Speaker 1: a genius, you would probably be completely unsuspecting, like what
Speaker 1: it was me or sure, there's no way, but he
Speaker 1: is making the space to everyone in this big exaggerated way.
Speaker 1: It's me, it's me, And I love how and we
Speaker 1: can we can get into this also later in the episode.
Speaker 1: But I love how. Nobody buys it. Oh yeah, No,
Speaker 1: there's not a single person that's like, wow, we didn't
Speaker 1: expect that. Nobody, you know, Lee, you know, Mancus, nobody's parents.
Speaker 1: Nobody buys it. But they don't make it explicit, and
Speaker 1: that's super interesting. It's like buried throughout the whole. So
Speaker 1: I think, like watching it with India, I think that
Speaker 1: there was some like do they know? Do they like?
Speaker 1: I think he you know, even quite understand. I Q
Speaker 1: like the whole concept of like cheating and i Q
Speaker 1: but he did understand. He was always like, is Corey
Speaker 1: going to get in trouble? Is Corey are they going
Speaker 1: to finally talk about you know? Does he know? So
Speaker 1: I think for kids that does kind of work. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also like the idea of we're not we're not
Speaker 1: going to call you on it right now, We're going
Speaker 1: to let your conscience. We've we've raised you well enough
Speaker 1: to know you're eventually going to call yourself on this.
Speaker 1: So we're going to see some like state testing what
Speaker 1: organization from me? Yeah, yeah, where it's like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: I did. Like though their argument was at the end
Speaker 1: Betsy does say we didn't have any proof, and so
Speaker 1: it is it is an interesting thing to say, We're
Speaker 1: not going to just call you a cheater. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not just going to outright call you a cheater because
Speaker 1: I truthfully can't. I don't suspect that it's the truth,
Speaker 1: but I can't prove that you are lying. And so
Speaker 1: I'm going to let you face the consequences of this
Speaker 1: until you're willing to come clean, which I think is
Speaker 1: is actually smart parenting. Or Corey really is a genius
Speaker 1: and Betsy and Rusty's characters are not smart enough to
Speaker 1: realize that's also probably not what it is. It's probably not.
Speaker 1: Uh So, Mincus thinks he's the one who Phoenie is
Speaker 1: going to announce as the genius in the class, and
Speaker 1: then he finds out he came in second. And one
Speaker 1: of my favorite things that happens in this scene that
Speaker 1: I do not know if someone told her to do
Speaker 1: it or she just did it. On her own. But
Speaker 1: the girl who is sitting in the front seat is
Speaker 1: drawing on her arm with a sharpie. She's just like this,
Speaker 1: head down, right, left hand with the sharpie, right arm,
Speaker 1: either drawing on her shirt or lifting her shirt sleeve up,
Speaker 1: or drawing on her arm. Something she and I wrote,
Speaker 1: is drawing on her arm with a sharpie. And I thought,
Speaker 1: I wonder if somebody told her to do that in
Speaker 1: the scheme of uh genius, like, oh, do something, do
Speaker 1: something that's not that's at I bet you it's just
Speaker 1: a board extra. She was just like, and I think
Speaker 1: it's funny that neither of us saw that. How we're
Speaker 1: all watching different things when we watch the show, because
Speaker 1: that's your seat. That's exactly what I'm looking at. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like, we didn't even notice that,
Speaker 1: but that you're like, that's where I'm supposed to be.
Speaker 1: I'm noticing everything she's doing. She's drawn on her arms. Unbelievable,
Speaker 1: that is That's exactly why I was looking at it.
Speaker 1: I was thinking I should be saying that that's my secret,
Speaker 1: my seat. Uh So Mr Phoenie says he needs to
Speaker 1: bow to Corey's genius and Corey turns to Sean, suspecting
Speaker 1: that Phoenie knows it's a big It's a very big deal.
Speaker 1: Mr Matthew, Yeah, very cool. Uh. And then we are
Speaker 1: in the Matthews living room and we see for the
Speaker 1: first time that Betsy Amy Matthews does have a job,
Speaker 1: at least part time out of the house. In every
Speaker 1: episode up until this point, she has been handing someone
Speaker 1: an apple, fluffing pillows, who know, you know, doing something
Speaker 1: with Audrey Andrey. And this time she's dressed very nicely,
Speaker 1: and we learned that she is at least a part
Speaker 1: time real estate agent. So she is getting ready. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's showing a house. It's still the bricks split I remember,
Speaker 1: you always remember that. So she's in one episode she's
Speaker 1: just and it's just stuck with me. She's trying to
Speaker 1: sell the bricks split level on Oak Street. And Will
Speaker 1: would say this for all seasons. You don't remember this.
Speaker 1: It was always like, I don't know why, I just
Speaker 1: became the joke. It was like, where's where's Betsy. Well,
Speaker 1: she's trying to sell the split brick split level on
Speaker 1: Oak Street. Six years on the we haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 1: That doesn't think it. I thought about that. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, is this the bricks level? But she has Okay,
Speaker 1: so she's yeah, she's showing a house. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk about this later because she's also called a homemaker there. Yes,
Speaker 1: she's a homemaker with a part time job. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's what he says. And she's also a real estate agent.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll get into it. But yeah, that was interesting. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I wonder if a homemaker is something different than a housewife.
Speaker 1: So we'll discuss that when we get to it. Because
Speaker 1: he mentions a home maker and then talks about how
Speaker 1: all of this helps to create the home. And part
Speaker 1: of that is she also works outside of the house
Speaker 1: and that helps bring an extra income and so that's
Speaker 1: what's making the home. It's like an ecosystem. I don't know,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it later. So um uh. Amy says
Speaker 1: that they're going to buy Morgan's Halloween costume tomorrow, so
Speaker 1: it you know, we have the Halloween theme running through
Speaker 1: the episode. Eric walks in and he's going to watch
Speaker 1: Morgan now, and he says he's going to teach her
Speaker 1: how to take out the trash so that he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to. Yeah, this is one. This is an episode
Speaker 1: I think if memory serves and I could kind of
Speaker 1: hear it because I know my voice very well. I
Speaker 1: think I had a cold, and so it was one
Speaker 1: of those things where you know, I'm living in l
Speaker 1: A for the first time, I'm I'm seventeen years old,
Speaker 1: I'm living with a legal guardian. And it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're not You're not just allowed to call in sick
Speaker 1: because you have a cold, Like the show must go on,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta go off, and you gotta do
Speaker 1: the show. And then we're talking about coupling people up,
Speaker 1: preparing pairing characters up. This is really the first time
Speaker 1: that Eric ever calls Morgan weasel yeah, And so they're
Speaker 1: trying to remember that became it did for like three episodes.
Speaker 1: It was like they're trying, Okay, it's gonna be Eric
Speaker 1: and Morgan. We'll try this pair. Like that pair didn't work,
Speaker 1: so let's try this one. And this is when they
Speaker 1: were really trying to now pair us and could you drive?
Speaker 1: Could your character drive? At this point, no, because they
Speaker 1: talked about you getting a ride home? Well, because doesn't
Speaker 1: Amy say is either. In this episode of the last episode,
Speaker 1: she says, I've been a parent now for fifteen years. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're not two, And then she also says he
Speaker 1: was born in oh and you guys are going together
Speaker 1: to the Arrowsmith concert, right, yes, would have made your Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I was seventeen and I was born seventy six,
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, um, and then it switched around where
Speaker 1: that you know then, because what great did you end
Speaker 1: up being in like a fourteenth year senior or something.
Speaker 1: By the time we were done, I've been at Pembroke,
Speaker 1: you know for thirty five years? Yeah, both, yeah, but
Speaker 1: they were they were then, yeah, trying to hook Eric
Speaker 1: and Morgan up where it's like, all right, let's try
Speaker 1: this pair now and see if this is going to
Speaker 1: be some comedy here. And you are cute with kids,
Speaker 1: which is you know, I mean later on you ended
Speaker 1: up being paired with a child as well. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like working with kids. I just don't want them
Speaker 1: around me all the time, right, we get it. We
Speaker 1: don't like having exactly do you writ brought one to
Speaker 1: the house today? I asked permission. I could have found
Speaker 1: a babysitter. No, never, of course I love kids, I
Speaker 1: really do. Okay, So Eric says he will take Morgan
Speaker 1: to get her Halloween costume today. She's very excited. Corey
Speaker 1: and Shawn walk in frantically. Okay, this was another horrible acting.
Speaker 1: Do you noticed Ben and I just standing there waiting
Speaker 1: for the door to open because you exit and we
Speaker 1: happened to be entering, but you could. She's just standing
Speaker 1: that we can actually see your silhouettes that we didn't
Speaker 1: run in. I was just like, look at me, I'm
Speaker 1: just standing away. It's like the most Now, why do
Speaker 1: you think, like David Traynor is the director. We we
Speaker 1: know as directors that that is something you tell you
Speaker 1: have to tell actor kids to do take a couple
Speaker 1: of steps. But you know, also like we probably did
Speaker 1: three or four takes and this was just a take
Speaker 1: where it looks really bad and for whatever you know,
Speaker 1: and and the director doesn't get final cut. So if
Speaker 1: there's another reason that they liked another take, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: because David could have been great and given us that note.
Speaker 1: But it's also possible that there's just so many things
Speaker 1: on kid time that some things just slipped through the plasm.
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, so I did not notice that, you know,
Speaker 1: but you obviously did because it because it's you. But
Speaker 1: I thought you were wonderful. Um, so you yeah, you
Speaker 1: guys walk in frantically, and Amy and Eric know something
Speaker 1: is up and it must be terrible, and then you guys,
Speaker 1: you guys leave. Then we're up in Corey and Eric's room.
Speaker 1: Corey tells Sean. Mr Finnie knows he cheated. Sean opens
Speaker 1: the letter Mr Finie wrote to Corey's parents. Now I
Speaker 1: don't know if this was a continuity thing or what,
Speaker 1: but like Corey definitely says, what are you doing? That's
Speaker 1: a that's an envelope addressed to my parents. And then
Speaker 1: the argument is, we'll just put it in another white envelope.
Speaker 1: I assumed that meant on the front of the envelope
Speaker 1: it said Mr and Mrs Matthews on it, but I
Speaker 1: guess it was just a white sealed envelope or they
Speaker 1: wouldn't know that it was originally addressed to them. I
Speaker 1: also love how Corey the idea of like, we'll just
Speaker 1: put it in another envelope was like, WHOA, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: I never even thought of that. Well here's the thing here,
Speaker 1: I will I will actually make an argument for that
Speaker 1: because I was a really good kid. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: It would never occur to me to manipulate the situation.
Speaker 1: And so I think if you are, Cory's already been established,
Speaker 1: that's kind. But you know, I don't know if he
Speaker 1: is mischievous that you know what he is. He's a negotiator,
Speaker 1: Like he's the kind of guy who wants to argue.
Speaker 1: He talks his way through everything. That's a little different
Speaker 1: than like like a schemer who get you know, So
Speaker 1: he's more of ala. It's more like a little loyally
Speaker 1: stand up comic and trying to talk his way out
Speaker 1: of things rather than you. Maybe more are the like
Speaker 1: actual planner of the schemes. Yeah, that makes sense, that
Speaker 1: makes sense. That Yeah, I mean I wrote down Sean
Speaker 1: is kind of an evil sidekick, you know, And that's
Speaker 1: it's the beginning of that. Also, God, man, I never
Speaker 1: stopped touching my hair, ever stopped touching your annoying. I
Speaker 1: can't believe it. They didn't like talk to me. They
Speaker 1: loved it. Are you kidding this? You were then in
Speaker 1: the team maaging a year later they loved distracting like
Speaker 1: I just want to It's clearly a nervous habit, like
Speaker 1: a tip. Well, I also noticed in this episode we
Speaker 1: get another a couple of bend belt pulls. I also
Speaker 1: think that is just a it's just a nervous That's
Speaker 1: why I can't believe anybody didn't tell me, like Michael
Speaker 1: or any of the directors, like right, or stop touching
Speaker 1: your hair because it's so distracting. Don't. Maybe it's not
Speaker 1: as attracting everybody. That's the thing is, Maybe you're just
Speaker 1: hyper vigilant of a watch. I stand in the bedroom
Speaker 1: scene more than anywhere else. Yeah, in the bedroom scene
Speaker 1: for sure, but it also doesn't take me out of
Speaker 1: the scene. I just think, oh, there's writer doing the thing. Um.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's definitely more distracting to you because
Speaker 1: it's you. But you know what else it is. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it's because they're straightening your hair. Um. It's one of
Speaker 1: those things. If you watch any show or movie, any
Speaker 1: actor playing with their glasses is an actor who doesn't
Speaker 1: wear glasses in your life. So you have your hair
Speaker 1: being done every day, you're not used to it, so
Speaker 1: it's like your hands are going through it totally. So
Speaker 1: it's that kind of trick. It's also significantly longer when
Speaker 1: it's straightened and so it's in your eyes and you're
Speaker 1: trying to get it out of your face. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: so they open the letter. Yeah, I wrote bad influence
Speaker 1: Sean really the start of this. Now, I also noticed
Speaker 1: this is such a stupid thing. But we listen. We
Speaker 1: watched the shows with chirons with the you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: in this episode the chiron says, Sean spelled s e
Speaker 1: a N. Really, yes, and then later in the show
Speaker 1: it's spelled Sean s h a w N. Are you
Speaker 1: watching on old school DVD? Are you watching on Disney Plus?
Speaker 1: Disney Plus? Interesting? Me too? Yes, Yeah, so I noticed.
Speaker 1: I just because it has occurred to me a few
Speaker 1: times when people don't know how to spell our character names,
Speaker 1: and I think, well, how do people not know how
Speaker 1: to spell our character names? I go, oh, because they
Speaker 1: weren't reading the scripts. I've always been baffled by the
Speaker 1: opposite question, how do they know how to spell? Because
Speaker 1: Sean's usually everyone because the female version of Shawn has
Speaker 1: spelled s h a w N. Traditionally s e a
Speaker 1: N is the male version, So the writers kind of
Speaker 1: made a mistake by spelling Sean the way they did,
Speaker 1: and yet everybody knows it. Like fans people come up
Speaker 1: to me, they always spell it. Well. There are definitely
Speaker 1: episodes where it was written somewhere. It's in the title
Speaker 1: of the episode where it's where where there was I
Speaker 1: know there's an episode I don't remember what it is,
Speaker 1: but there's an episode where we are our class. Um,
Speaker 1: our yearbook pictures are in there, and so they have
Speaker 1: our name o yearbook pictures. So uh, Corey is always
Speaker 1: spelled correctly to which you know you could do it
Speaker 1: with an E, and people always and I'm like, how
Speaker 1: do they figure this out? Right now? But I guess
Speaker 1: there are scripts of Boy It's World available online because
Speaker 1: I've had people show up and yeah, me too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder again though it's it's also experiences. I know
Speaker 1: that sounds ridiculous, but my best friend growing up when
Speaker 1: out until I was like eight years old, was named
Speaker 1: Sean and it was s J w N. It was yeah,
Speaker 1: so interesting. So um so yeah, I mean that's to
Speaker 1: me that was always spelled correctly. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very strange. Okay, So they open the letter and um,
Speaker 1: they're just gonna replace the envelope, so then we're still
Speaker 1: in Corey. In Eric's room, Corey is listening to classical
Speaker 1: music with his Phillies finger on. Now I remember this specifically.
Speaker 1: Do you know why I remember this? I remember this
Speaker 1: because they brought Ray Colcord down to the set to
Speaker 1: work with Ben on how to conduct a symphony. Like
Speaker 1: I remember, actually remember because it has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with it. But he came down to the set, he
Speaker 1: had his baton and he was teaching Ben how to
Speaker 1: conduct a symphony. Like I'll never forget that. It's really funny.
Speaker 1: They're just like, all right, Corey Matthews, are you listening
Speaker 1: to classical because well they do, say they've just come
Speaker 1: from the meeting with Phoene. So imagine as a parent,
Speaker 1: you get called to the school and Phoeny says, so
Speaker 1: he's taken an i Q test and apparently he's a genius.
Speaker 1: And then the whole way home they're saying, do we
Speaker 1: buy this? But how would he? Would he cheat? And
Speaker 1: wouldn't he come clean? And then you walk into the
Speaker 1: house and you hear classical music coming from his bedroom.
Speaker 1: You would walk in a little bit like this first show.
Speaker 1: Now do you think that was the conversation they had
Speaker 1: or do you think the conversation is Phoenie going, he
Speaker 1: cheated on the test? Yeah, I think that's exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, how do you guys want to play that? Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: and then being like oh, looks like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Yeah. I feel like that's too direct for Phoenie.
Speaker 1: I feel like Phoenie parents, well, not playing the parents,
Speaker 1: but a little bit of the same way. So the
Speaker 1: parents who we want to just come right out with
Speaker 1: no proof and call your kid a cheater. I feel
Speaker 1: like Phoenie would have said, listen, I we know this child, well, yes,
Speaker 1: and this and so this is out of character. This
Speaker 1: feels out of character to me, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1: And let them agree with him and then say, so,
Speaker 1: how do we all play that? You're the Poenie whisper? Yeah,
Speaker 1: talking about us? More about back story? I want to know. Seriously.
Speaker 1: He also does that with what's salad to eat? Every
Speaker 1: night he makes a salad for dinner. It's just and
Speaker 1: that's a spinach, a giant bull. So I just came
Speaker 1: up with a TV show, prequel, prequel show origin story
Speaker 1: for Phoenie. People talking and people have pitched that really,
Speaker 1: because how great would it be to see him in
Speaker 1: high school or in college and like with his Mr Feenie. Wow,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I would love to watch that show.
Speaker 1: But make it like a straight coming and it's it's
Speaker 1: basically like Dangerous Minds, like the evolution of him as
Speaker 1: a teacher, Like it's his first year teaching out of college.
Speaker 1: So he's only because he said that he had been
Speaker 1: teaching for thirty five years and it's Vietnam era American
Speaker 1: Really Yeah that's okay, So end of Korean War. Okay,
Speaker 1: so fifty eight he's teaching. Yeah, this would be an
Speaker 1: amazing and he's him in high school. No, I want
Speaker 1: to see him. I want to see Dangerous Minds. Uh
Speaker 1: standing deliver, you know, like the teacher who becomes like
Speaker 1: maybe I'm talking sitcom. No, it's a movie that's drama.
Speaker 1: That's that's true. I think he's a total hippie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just a total flower child. He's just No. People
Speaker 1: have said that to me. They're like, you know, you
Speaker 1: should do you should do a prequel a Fenie and
Speaker 1: you should play him. I was like that seems like
Speaker 1: that would take people out of the realm for that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Be hard to focus on. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: listen writer, we'll develop this idea after Okay, So he's
Speaker 1: listening to classical music. He's got the Philli's finger on.
Speaker 1: Alan and Amy were watching him from the front door.
Speaker 1: They say they know about the i Q test that
Speaker 1: he scored the highest in the history of the school district.
Speaker 1: And Amy says she doesn't understand why Corey's i Q
Speaker 1: tests are way up here but his test scores are
Speaker 1: way down here. And Corey says it's because of a
Speaker 1: flaw in their public education system and the system has
Speaker 1: failed him. That's like the genius Corey lawyer in league exactly.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is a pretty great argument response.
Speaker 1: Morgan walks into the room. She's dressed like a zombie.
Speaker 1: She's got a fake eyeball hanging from her face, and
Speaker 1: Eric is super proud of it because Morgan picked it
Speaker 1: out herself. Yes, I actually thought so. The last episode
Speaker 1: was really painful for me to watch the Nicky Coxs episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that is horrifying for me. Like, um, this one,
Speaker 1: I felt like I was a little bit more comfortable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was not great, but it was definitely I was
Speaker 1: starting to slowly get it a little bit. So this
Speaker 1: one was not as painful to watch, and we talked
Speaker 1: about how the last episode was actually the first episode
Speaker 1: that we film. That's that's why. But it's this. This
Speaker 1: was a little right between one oh five and one
Speaker 1: oh six, actually a lot of times like four episodes.
Speaker 1: But here's a question for you, guys. Did you ever
Speaker 1: get so around the after you've shot two or three episodes,
Speaker 1: generally then the episodes that you've shot go to research
Speaker 1: and focus groups watched the episodes, and most not. Back
Speaker 1: then that was Disney. That's that's now Disney Channel does that? Okay?
Speaker 1: Back then ABC did not. I doesn't say so, did
Speaker 1: you guys get you They didn't do focus groups and
Speaker 1: you didn't get feedback. I never got enough that it
Speaker 1: wasn't there something back in the day called like your
Speaker 1: Q rating, which they weren't supposed to do, and you
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to know what it was supposed to. Everybody
Speaker 1: did it anyway, and it was like it was it
Speaker 1: was technically like it wasn't illegal, but it was like,
Speaker 1: you don't. It's basically the equivalent of knowing how many
Speaker 1: followers somebody has on social Yes, QUE rating was your
Speaker 1: recognizability based on some sort of algorithm that took into
Speaker 1: account how many times you appeared on television and how
Speaker 1: high of a rating those appearances made, and then they
Speaker 1: were able to break it down. I got a copy
Speaker 1: of did you really? I got a copy of the
Speaker 1: QUE rating. This was like some my manager or whatever
Speaker 1: got ahold of it, and I was like on a list,
Speaker 1: and I was like thirty something I want to say,
Speaker 1: And I remember everybody being like, oh, that's actually a
Speaker 1: pretty high Q rating. I had a high Q rating two,
Speaker 1: and I just knew it was about because even it's
Speaker 1: about whether or not somebody they may not know your name,
Speaker 1: but if they look at your face they go, yes,
Speaker 1: I know her. And so it's it's frequency on television,
Speaker 1: like and it would take into account if you were
Speaker 1: on a news program or had done an interview, and
Speaker 1: it would take all of that into account and sort
Speaker 1: of crunch the numbers to say, like, you've been seen
Speaker 1: by this many people this consistently, so therefore we can
Speaker 1: put you on a rating scale of like I believe
Speaker 1: you got to hold it? Yeah, no idea, what mine
Speaker 1: never was? Or I don't remember what I mean. I'm
Speaker 1: sure what it does, I think, Yeah, I'm sure it
Speaker 1: does they just don't talk about you won't use it anymore.
Speaker 1: Now you could just know your influence tr social media. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: so yes, I thought you were very natural in this.
Speaker 1: You're you, and you're at better. We're all getting comfortable
Speaker 1: with like the very notion of a sitcom, definitely, and
Speaker 1: more comfortable with each other, and it's and you know,
Speaker 1: we're getting to know each other as people, and that
Speaker 1: always makes a difference when you're getting closer to your cast,
Speaker 1: where just everybody gets more natural and just kind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you naturally fall into it a little bit. Can we
Speaker 1: talk about Lily zombie outfit? How awesome it is? It
Speaker 1: was pretty girl, It's great, it was really cool. So
Speaker 1: then the next day we're back in Phoenie's classroom and
Speaker 1: Sean tells Corey to enjoy all the attention he's getting,
Speaker 1: but Corey does not like it, especially since now his
Speaker 1: parents are involved and they want to blame the school
Speaker 1: because they wouldn't. So this is the first time again
Speaker 1: where now we see Corey and Sean hatching their scheme.
Speaker 1: I love this, this little like pow wow moment back
Speaker 1: and forth. The banter of this is kind of probably
Speaker 1: the first time and then I wrote, this is the
Speaker 1: establishment of this episode together Uncovering, and that like him
Speaker 1: turning back to have this conversation with me is like
Speaker 1: I just remember that as like you know, that's in
Speaker 1: my body like I saw it happened. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I spent years doing that, sitting on the
Speaker 1: edge of the desk or leaning forward in the desk.
Speaker 1: But he turned around like that was just that's just
Speaker 1: how we lived our life for six years of filming
Speaker 1: this show. But it was no longer Corey and a
Speaker 1: group of guys. It was now Corey and shown exactly
Speaker 1: and it was and you can tell how well it worked.
Speaker 1: It's it's a really fun um watching you guys one
Speaker 1: pairing up where they went, okay, that's done, like yeah
Speaker 1: we got that. Um okay, So you guys decide that
Speaker 1: you can blame the school because if you hadn't found
Speaker 1: the answers, you wouldn't he wouldn't be in this situation
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't have found the answers had you guys
Speaker 1: not been in detention. So ha and I love you
Speaker 1: say nothing we do is it's so great? Um? And
Speaker 1: then Mincus walks up Lee and he wonders how why
Speaker 1: Corey copies off of his paper if he's such a genius,
Speaker 1: and uh, you tell him it's it's um that you're admiring.
Speaker 1: He's admiring another genius's work. And by the way, you
Speaker 1: then have a genius envy joke. You say genius envy.
Speaker 1: It's a penis envy joke, straight up penis envy joke,
Speaker 1: which I obviously don't think Scott. At the time, I
Speaker 1: did not get it why it wasn't there, But I
Speaker 1: mean I wouldn't. I would not have understood it until now,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, hey, pretty clever. I guess
Speaker 1: I probably understood it. If not, I probably would have
Speaker 1: asked somebody. You understood it as much as you could
Speaker 1: possibly understand without actually dying. I don't think what penis
Speaker 1: envy was at that age, yeah, Mr So. Mr Finnie
Speaker 1: then walks in with a substitute saying she is going
Speaker 1: to teach the class while he talks to Corey outside.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I mean this is a total nightmare. By
Speaker 1: the way, this scene in the classroom is where the
Speaker 1: Chiron ended up saying sean regular was spelled correctly, So
Speaker 1: in this scene we get Sean correctly. So we are
Speaker 1: in the school cafeteria. It's empty. Phoene's making himself a
Speaker 1: cup of coffee and he asks Corey if there's anything
Speaker 1: he wants to bring up to him. Corey says he
Speaker 1: wants to talk about sports. And his laugh that he
Speaker 1: does is great, so funny. It is the most natural
Speaker 1: laugh I've ever seen a kid do on a on
Speaker 1: a show. It's so funny. Um. So he laughs because
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, caught and nervous or feels like
Speaker 1: he may be caught um. And so he gives them
Speaker 1: options about what he wants talk about. Corey says, oh,
Speaker 1: let's talk about sports. Phoenie says there's a school that's
Speaker 1: better for people with his kind of an IQ, and
Speaker 1: that the current school is holding him back. So he's
Speaker 1: not going to be at John Adams High anymore or
Speaker 1: John Adams Middle School as it is, and he says
Speaker 1: that he's no longer in his class. And this is
Speaker 1: when Corey realizes for the first time that this has
Speaker 1: very his lie has very bad repercussions. Now we come
Speaker 1: back and we're in Corey and Eric's room and this
Speaker 1: writer is where you are wearing an outfit that I think. Actually,
Speaker 1: I actually wrote on my shoes are pretty cool? Were they? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I thought maybe for sure you'd bring that up. I
Speaker 1: have sneakers on red something I don't know. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was so distracted by the upper half of your outfit.
Speaker 1: I didn't pay attention to the shoes because you are
Speaker 1: wearing a blue long sleeve with a print some sort
Speaker 1: of print short sleeve. But I'm putting short sleeve in
Speaker 1: quotes because it comes to me four it's medium sleeves.
Speaker 1: It's for what we we would call extra in the
Speaker 1: in the in the pants. So there you go. There,
Speaker 1: there's the picture. Now the blue long sleeve the equivalent
Speaker 1: of a shant shirt, and then and then a den
Speaker 1: invest over it and the short shirt. And look at
Speaker 1: us both with hoods. Are you both cants? Are they
Speaker 1: do they go all the way to the bottom? Are
Speaker 1: you wearing three quarter? They do? They just they're so baggy,
Speaker 1: they're like resting on his shoes. And then you've got
Speaker 1: cool sneakers on that. Again, I was so but I
Speaker 1: look at this and I really do think other than
Speaker 1: that shirt being that short sleeve shirt being a little
Speaker 1: too long, I actually like that outfit. Okay, Okay, I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of cool. I mean, it's it's basic.
Speaker 1: The goal of the costumer was clearly too layer. Everybody
Speaker 1: is layered, and it's kind of true, like if people
Speaker 1: just wear T shirts, especially kids, it gets kind of boring, right,
Speaker 1: Like the whole idea is to like give give people
Speaker 1: a little depth. And you know, so I have a
Speaker 1: question at which and again this might be something I'm
Speaker 1: completely making up. It might also just be a rationalization
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. Do you have any
Speaker 1: where any of those multi layers? Did any of that
Speaker 1: have to do with making it so you didn't feel
Speaker 1: the balls when they were shot at you? Oh? You know?
Speaker 1: Or four? Three or four? I'm caring three or four,
Speaker 1: and so is bed Like we're always wearing three or four.
Speaker 1: I thought to say, what my question is, is there
Speaker 1: where the show takes place in Philly? Is there some
Speaker 1: of it that's an aspect of well, it may be
Speaker 1: cold outside, but we don't want to have jackets on
Speaker 1: because jackets that's a better that's a better question. So
Speaker 1: that's what the red Do you guys ever feel like
Speaker 1: our show took advantage of its location, though in that sense. No,
Speaker 1: like we never really creatively about like well this besides
Speaker 1: him liking Phillies. But I mean, all through seven seasons,
Speaker 1: we are just kind of a generic place. That's what
Speaker 1: That's what you want, though you wanted to be any town,
Speaker 1: USA so that you can watch the show. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I think setting is so important. It depends
Speaker 1: on what kind of show. For an adult show, yes,
Speaker 1: New York has its own kind and that's why every
Speaker 1: sitcom Seinfeld Friends, they were all in New York. For
Speaker 1: a kid show. You want a kid to be able
Speaker 1: to turn on the show in the middle of the
Speaker 1: country and go, this is my house. Yeah, totally. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's very suburban. We don't know where and you know,
Speaker 1: but then there are episodes where like, you know, I
Speaker 1: become a gangster, are working for gangsters. So we're definitely
Speaker 1: in a city. But I think about it. It's it's Halloween,
Speaker 1: it's October, and of October in Philly, it's probably pretty cold.
Speaker 1: And yet you guys they were having any discussions like
Speaker 1: that from I mean, I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 1: we ever talked about, ever talked about like the winner. Well,
Speaker 1: I know, for a fact that I was talked about
Speaker 1: with weather because I was constantly put in jackets. And
Speaker 1: here's a fact. I cannot act in a jacket. I
Speaker 1: have no talent with a jacket off. If you put
Speaker 1: me in a jacket and suddenly on my I can't
Speaker 1: do anything with this jacket. I if I have a
Speaker 1: jacket on, the first thing I want to know is
Speaker 1: when do I get to take my jacket off? And
Speaker 1: I work in taking my jacket off because I cannot
Speaker 1: act in a jacket. And so I know that I
Speaker 1: was regularly talked about like well, it's supposed to be winner,
Speaker 1: and it was like lazy, I don't care. They would
Speaker 1: often do that then with Winnard. But do you remember
Speaker 1: ever doing that with summer, like meaning it's like we're
Speaker 1: gonna put you in shorts because it's obviously hot outside. No,
Speaker 1: not really like that never happened. No, I know, I
Speaker 1: don't remember any of these conversations about weather or setting.
Speaker 1: Like to me, it was always like we were just
Speaker 1: you walked into the little to the little wooden places
Speaker 1: behind the set where your clothes were hanging, and you
Speaker 1: put on your clothes and you walk out of the
Speaker 1: set like that was it. We're gonna talk about this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good time for the Well, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: I've already asked him. Oh you have asked him now? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about changing your clothes? What? What?
Speaker 1: Do you have? Any issues with getting dressed? I can't
Speaker 1: stand it. I hate it. I hate really I hate.
Speaker 1: I hate trying on clothes. I hate shopping for clothes.
Speaker 1: I hate having to change my clothes. But it's having
Speaker 1: to change when you walk into a room and there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of different outfits that you have to put
Speaker 1: on to try stuff on your heart, yes, and to
Speaker 1: do it fast possible, get it out of the way,
Speaker 1: And it also has to immediately be hung up on
Speaker 1: a hangar because never onet of those to drop my
Speaker 1: foes on the floor that you just we were doing
Speaker 1: all this press stuff and you just because I look
Speaker 1: awful all the time, I'm not good with clothes. I
Speaker 1: just and never have been. You put me with your
Speaker 1: wonderful style, amazing stylist Mimi who was coming. I had
Speaker 1: COVID at the time, so I couldn't actually see her
Speaker 1: in person, but she would come to the house and
Speaker 1: she would drop off bags of clothes in the front
Speaker 1: of the house, and I would stare at the bags
Speaker 1: of clothes before I even opened the door because I
Speaker 1: was anxious. So, dear, dear listeners, this is a realization
Speaker 1: I have. About three weeks ago or a month ago,
Speaker 1: I was getting dressed, hating it as I always do,
Speaker 1: because when I am changing my clothes, my heart starts racing.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've got to get it done as
Speaker 1: fast as possible. And I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: why do I feel this way? And I walked into
Speaker 1: the next room where my wife was working. I was like, Alex,
Speaker 1: do you do you ever get stressed out by changing?
Speaker 1: She's like, no, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: And I realized this is a holdover from when we
Speaker 1: were on the show. We would have to change while
Speaker 1: the entire audience was waiting between scenes, so the cameras
Speaker 1: would be moving from one set to the other, and
Speaker 1: we would have to run backstage because it's different days
Speaker 1: of course about the sea throughout the course of and
Speaker 1: you have to and they and there's time pressure because
Speaker 1: we have to get the episode done in time for
Speaker 1: the nine and a half hour limit that that kids
Speaker 1: can only work and the audience is only there for
Speaker 1: like three so there was so much pressure on us
Speaker 1: to get changed quickly and to put on those clothes
Speaker 1: in time for the next scene, so they wouldn't wait
Speaker 1: for us like that was always what was the fear, right,
Speaker 1: is that you'd be that, that you'd hold up all
Speaker 1: the production. And I just realized I've internalized this so much.
Speaker 1: So then I came and I asked you, Danielle, and
Speaker 1: you said, yes, I am the exact same way. Getting
Speaker 1: dressed is something that needs to be done very quickly.
Speaker 1: I still sometimes will if I have to, um, if
Speaker 1: I know the next day I have a time crunch,
Speaker 1: I'll figure out what I'm going to wear the night
Speaker 1: before and then put it in. Do do that? I
Speaker 1: do that? I do if there's thing I have to do,
Speaker 1: like with I'm gonna fly, My outfit that have to
Speaker 1: wear for the plane is laid out, the shoes are next,
Speaker 1: you know. But I do that with a lot of
Speaker 1: different things, like what about changing to a changing room
Speaker 1: in a department store and I can't stay, I won't
Speaker 1: go anywhere. No, I won't go anywhere. Now. I would
Speaker 1: rather buy stuff and and not fit and have to
Speaker 1: go back I just order everything online, and you said, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't that crazy. It's so crazy, and it's so crazy
Speaker 1: that I put it together it's all right, or mentioned
Speaker 1: it to me that he had it too. I never
Speaker 1: put it together. I just assumed it was because I
Speaker 1: am so type A that almost everything in my life
Speaker 1: has a very much like why can't we do this
Speaker 1: any faster? I'm a real fun person to be around,
Speaker 1: and you are so changing close. It's like, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I just realized, like I'm sure we're going to discover
Speaker 1: more of these kinds of things as we talk about this.
Speaker 1: But I I have such anxiety about changing well, and
Speaker 1: you don't. You had a hooded vest and a hooded
Speaker 1: shirt and a T shirt you had to take off
Speaker 1: and possibly change your jeans and then put on new
Speaker 1: three It's also everything's new, like all the close your
Speaker 1: iron and ironed and stiff, and there was nothing like,
Speaker 1: oh these are my old jeans that I warned forever.
Speaker 1: And I remember Ben Ben and I got yelled at
Speaker 1: the first season because we didn't hang up our clothes.
Speaker 1: So because we just would we would run into the
Speaker 1: change we'd rip off our whatever out and grab the
Speaker 1: next one. Off the hangers, and I remember the wardrobe
Speaker 1: department being like, no, no, no, no, we're not your
Speaker 1: mom's exactly. You're done with it. And so we also
Speaker 1: not only did we have to rush taking off our clothes,
Speaker 1: we had to then hang them up on hangars. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole process is just it makes my
Speaker 1: heart wardrobe hate. I think it's part of the reason
Speaker 1: why I've never been I wish I was. I wish
Speaker 1: I had good style, like I wish I had a
Speaker 1: good fashion sense, but I think I I so stay
Speaker 1: away from it. I also feel like it hindered me
Speaker 1: ever knowing what my own style really is because people
Speaker 1: are dressing people were dressing me, and so I didn't know,
Speaker 1: this is your style. Yeah, here's my style this week,
Speaker 1: and I you know, now the only thing I know
Speaker 1: is like, oh, I'm self conscious about this part of
Speaker 1: my body. So I don't wear this, Like I don't
Speaker 1: wear cap sleeves. I'm built like a linebacker, and so
Speaker 1: I anything that is like cute and feminine up top,
Speaker 1: I put it on, and like, I do not like it.
Speaker 1: So like I know that I know the stuff that
Speaker 1: like I'm built like a linebacker, don't like to wear
Speaker 1: caps sleeves, but I otherwise as far as like, well,
Speaker 1: what kind of style do you like? I'm like, show
Speaker 1: me some things. I don't know. We didn't figure it
Speaker 1: out till my mid thirties though that Daniel very nicely
Speaker 1: was like, hey, we're gonna be doing all this list
Speaker 1: and I used this lady would you want her number?
Speaker 1: Like it's probably a good ideas. She's awesome, and again
Speaker 1: you just don't have to think about anything, but it
Speaker 1: is changing this and changing that, and then and then
Speaker 1: I was taking pictures of it, like to send to
Speaker 1: her to Nathans, and it was just like taking polaroids.
Speaker 1: When you get it was so like, alright, alright, we
Speaker 1: can we can move on. We're all I'm sweating, big breath, everybody,
Speaker 1: deep breath, and let's change your shirt. Let's get to
Speaker 1: this living room series. Okay, So well we should finish
Speaker 1: the scene, which is I walk outside, go ahead, take
Speaker 1: the test, because I figured out that it's going to
Speaker 1: resolve this whole problem exactly. They just they're gonna, if
Speaker 1: they're gonna make you take another one, take this one, honestly,
Speaker 1: and they'll see that your average. Yes, Okay, so we're
Speaker 1: in the living room and Jane Carr, who is playing Ms.
Speaker 1: Bertram from MENSA. She's so funny. She's talking to Alan
Speaker 1: and Amy in the living room while Corey is taking
Speaker 1: the i Q test right behind them, which doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like conducive to good test taking or whatever. Um. She
Speaker 1: asks Morgan a question to see if she also may
Speaker 1: be a genius since Corey's a genius, and Morgan answers,
Speaker 1: uh biggest laugh of the show for Indie, And it
Speaker 1: was actually pretty pretty funny and she nailed. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously Indie doesn't understand. He just loved hearing the word
Speaker 1: booker a little girl's mouth and seeing that an upset
Speaker 1: an old lady was just hysteric. Both of you come
Speaker 1: up with your answer to what her analogy actually was.
Speaker 1: Flower what what what? Because she says Oak is to
Speaker 1: elm as Dave easy is to Flower. No, I would
Speaker 1: just name another Flower Roads, right, I would have said.
Speaker 1: That was the first thing I went through my head,
Speaker 1: was like, what would I have you did not pass
Speaker 1: the IQ, Thank you you can go. I was fascinated
Speaker 1: by the class positioning of the Matthews family in this scene.
Speaker 1: I've never thought about, you know, like where like how
Speaker 1: upper class or lower class, but there's this idea like
Speaker 1: she's the snob judging them and being a tradesman, remember,
Speaker 1: And it was so interesting. It felt very um uh
Speaker 1: Rosanne is you know, like like in the Night, I
Speaker 1: feel like nowadays, I don't, I don't know. It was
Speaker 1: just interesting to consider, like, all right, we don't. I
Speaker 1: guess they're middle class, but they're not, like he works
Speaker 1: in a grocery store. Like they're being judged basically. And
Speaker 1: I found that interesting that like the show was positioning
Speaker 1: the Matthews, you know, as opposed to like the Cosby Show,
Speaker 1: where they did have money and they just kind of
Speaker 1: never talked about it. They never think about who their
Speaker 1: neighbor is. Their neighbor is a public school teacher, so
Speaker 1: they very much are in a probably i'd say it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be lower middle class but middle class family. Pretty
Speaker 1: big house, yeah, yeah, I mean it's a it's a
Speaker 1: sitcom big house kind of thing. But again, that's your
Speaker 1: teacher is I remembers world. This drove me crazy, like
Speaker 1: the size of the apartment and you're just like, to
Speaker 1: live in New York there would be dollar a month apartment. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting to me that that that that at
Speaker 1: this stage there was a consideration of class and positioning
Speaker 1: the Matthews in the sort of middle class, but like
Speaker 1: maybe lower middle class, like straight middle class, like just
Speaker 1: I think somewhere between lower middle class and middle classes.
Speaker 1: That's what I think. That's absolutely kids. It's hard to
Speaker 1: be lower middle class when you've got three kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but so Allan's he owns the grocery manager of the
Speaker 1: largest grocery store. I'm going to keep an eye on
Speaker 1: this because I'm curiously especially as we get it to
Speaker 1: the later seasons, like how because he ends up taking
Speaker 1: on the outdoor store their campings. I also don't remember.
Speaker 1: And we'll get into this. I'm sure we'll see it,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's gonna be moments where like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I completely forgot about that. But it's gonna be like
Speaker 1: do they talk about how many cars they have? They
Speaker 1: have one card? Did they share cars? There's that convertible
Speaker 1: that we all right, and we've got the grade sixty
Speaker 1: five Mustang coming up? Those credits. Why do we all
Speaker 1: remember shooting those credits so well? Because it was also
Speaker 1: because Ryder left halfway through and so some of the
Speaker 1: shots it's like he's supposed to be hidden behind the
Speaker 1: door when actually he's on a plane to like you know,
Speaker 1: macau or wherever the hell he's going going. I don't
Speaker 1: remember just going home, yeah, but you were like no,
Speaker 1: I'm leaving. We're halfway through this, okay. But we also
Speaker 1: just remember those days because they were special, you know,
Speaker 1: whenever we were doing something differently crumps or something like
Speaker 1: that stupid t J if hey, we should watch one
Speaker 1: of those. Can we get ahold of anywhere? I'm sure
Speaker 1: they can, all right, listeners, if you know how to
Speaker 1: get ahold of t G. I I think if you
Speaker 1: go there's an Instagram page that's like, yeah, where they
Speaker 1: have somebody's uploaded them too, because there's one I saw.
Speaker 1: I'm walking around the set with a video camera and
Speaker 1: I'm videotaping like interviews with you guys, and at one
Speaker 1: point I'm like behind, hey, Danielle, who's texting you? And
Speaker 1: you're like, none of your business will Like you've got
Speaker 1: this giant page er that's like this big you know
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So you see those things like
Speaker 1: a lot of funny it's like who it wasn't even
Speaker 1: texting like who's who's beating you? So yeah, you get
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Page your code was the best,
Speaker 1: um J. Carr was awesome, goes for the record. Corey
Speaker 1: hands the test in um ms Bertramp says it takes
Speaker 1: most students over an hour to take the test. She
Speaker 1: starts to grade the test and she says, wow, his
Speaker 1: like you is that of an average sixth grader, And
Speaker 1: then she seems like, you know, did you really think
Speaker 1: you were going to get away with it? Like everyone's
Speaker 1: in on it, everyone knows. Ms. Bertramp says that actually
Speaker 1: it's not that he cheated before, he's cheating this time.
Speaker 1: He's a real genius, but he's pretending to fail so
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to change. This was a clever moment
Speaker 1: because you said you're waiting for them to reveal you know, everything,
Speaker 1: so you're just waiting. So adding this little extra wrink
Speaker 1: I thought was clever. I thought so too. It's actually
Speaker 1: very cute. I didn't see it coming. So then Corey
Speaker 1: confesses to his parents he found the answers. They figured out,
Speaker 1: but they were waiting for him to fest up. Morgan
Speaker 1: walks in again with her zombie costume, on. Miss Bertram
Speaker 1: walks out annoyed and Corey does end up getting grounded,
Speaker 1: but they let it start the day after. My parents
Speaker 1: never did that. This is what you're grounded. You're grounded,
Speaker 1: you're missing the school dance. I was grounded once right
Speaker 1: before school dance. What you do? Do you remember? I
Speaker 1: was smoking? I started smoking at How can you smoke
Speaker 1: at such a young age? That is horrified smoker? By
Speaker 1: like twelve? I don't remember that. I remember actually remember. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we might have smoked together a couple of times back
Speaker 1: in the day. I thought you were older than I
Speaker 1: thought you were, like I was like fifteen, fifteen, somewhere
Speaker 1: between fifteen and sixteen. Well did you give her a cigarette? No?
Speaker 1: We were you know, you break you? How are you?
Speaker 1: It's the problem, It's it's time. Martini homes Total told
Speaker 1: me that teacher exactly. Well, my mom, my mom had said, so,
Speaker 1: my mom is very you know, my parents were very involved,
Speaker 1: and they were my mom. Nothing got past my mom.
Speaker 1: And smoking is smelly, really really smelly gloves. I mean,
Speaker 1: I learned eventually, but at first I was just probably thinking, well,
Speaker 1: it's been hours, how on earth could I possibly smell?
Speaker 1: My mom? Suspected. She talked to David Combs and she said,
Speaker 1: I want you to watch her like a hawk. And
Speaker 1: David then saw me smoking and called my mom and
Speaker 1: my mom I got home that day and from work,
Speaker 1: and my mom said, hey, how you know, how is
Speaker 1: your day? And I said my day is fine. She goes, Okay,
Speaker 1: dump your purse out, and I said, huh, because he
Speaker 1: had dump your pers out right here on the counter.
Speaker 1: And I was like okay. And in my head I
Speaker 1: thought so smart that I put him in my car,
Speaker 1: or they weren't in my car, they were I must
Speaker 1: have I hid them somewhere souse. I wasn't driving yet,
Speaker 1: but they were hidden, and I thought, great, this I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna go ahead and go along with this,
Speaker 1: and it's not gonna be in there. There was loose
Speaker 1: tobacco at the bottom of my purse and she's yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I dumped my purse act and I know
Speaker 1: you're smoking, and I was like, well, I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: I'm smoking. Yes, I've had I have smoked, but I
Speaker 1: am not smoking like I'm not addicted. I'm not continuing
Speaker 1: to do it. And it was, you know, terrible, and
Speaker 1: I was in so much trouble and I was grounded
Speaker 1: starting that that moment. And so what it meant was
Speaker 1: that I could wake up in the morning, go to work,
Speaker 1: and then I had to come immediately home. And my
Speaker 1: I had a phone in my room and a TV
Speaker 1: in my room and my big CD player, you know,
Speaker 1: my six disc CD player, and everything got ripped out
Speaker 1: of my room. So no TV in my room, no
Speaker 1: phone in my room, no CD player in my room.
Speaker 1: I was allowed to study, read and go to work
Speaker 1: and that was it. And I was our vice versa
Speaker 1: at Calabasas High School or um. Yeah, my vice versa
Speaker 1: dance was coming up and I had a boyfriend and
Speaker 1: we were supposed to go. And my mom was a
Speaker 1: real stickler about grounding as you should be, especially with
Speaker 1: something as terrible for you was smoking. I wish it
Speaker 1: had um, I wish I had listened. Uh. I never
Speaker 1: got grounded as a kid. That was not like I
Speaker 1: got ground occation and nothing would. Like when you get grounded, man,
Speaker 1: it makes you want to have a smoke. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest with you. It's like smoke. Like sitting there grounded,
Speaker 1: you're thirteen, and you're like, oh, I need a smooth
Speaker 1: one right now. It's true, but it's terrible. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: You did not get grounded, but you also had a
Speaker 1: lot of freedom, so much freedom. Yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 1: unusual in retrospect, but yeah, but I got in. I
Speaker 1: got sent to my room when I was little. Definitely
Speaker 1: did that. But then, you know, I also wasn't that
Speaker 1: much of a trouble I was. I think my parents
Speaker 1: kind of knew that, Like I was an okay kid,
Speaker 1: you know, Um, the first time I smoked pot, I
Speaker 1: came clean to them because it was an awful experience
Speaker 1: and I was very young, and then I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not drinking, I'm not smoking, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing any drugs. And I was like that until
Speaker 1: I was about seven, sixteen or seventeen. Is the first
Speaker 1: time I ever tried alcohol, And like, yeah, I was saying,
Speaker 1: I didn't start drinking until I was like so when
Speaker 1: we were on the show, I was like super clean cut.
Speaker 1: I was like Mr. Straight edge. Yeah yeah, and so
Speaker 1: I think my parents just let me. Yeah that the
Speaker 1: start you were Yeah, I was many seasons in but anyway, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's why I got in trouble and got grounded. Um,
Speaker 1: so I thought I thought that was really I'm not
Speaker 1: sure why they did it, to be honest, Why would
Speaker 1: they let him start the day after Halloween because so
Speaker 1: we can have that final scene. It is kind of weird,
Speaker 1: But so there's a Michael Jacobs when we were then
Speaker 1: doing very Quickly, we were then doing Girl Meets World.
Speaker 1: Michael and I got into an argument on the set
Speaker 1: about my script because, um, the script that I had
Speaker 1: originally written, Um, Riley gets caught lying and I had
Speaker 1: repercussions for getting caught lying where she got ground And
Speaker 1: he's like, now cut all that out, and like, well,
Speaker 1: don't you want coin to pay it to at least
Speaker 1: vocalize in some way shape or formed that she shouldn't
Speaker 1: be lying. And he's like, no, it's not necessary. And
Speaker 1: we literally got in a fight to the point where
Speaker 1: we he brought in the ABC executive and he's like,
Speaker 1: he wants it to be where we're actually grounding the
Speaker 1: kid afterwards, and I don't think it's necessary, and I
Speaker 1: know you're gonna like side with me, and he pulled
Speaker 1: it out of the script. So the idea of being
Speaker 1: grounded like I had that in there like no, you
Speaker 1: got caught lying, you got caught with a big lie.
Speaker 1: There's repercussions to that, and Michael specifically went out of
Speaker 1: his way to make sure that wasn't in the script.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what that is with the kind
Speaker 1: of letting the kid slide, But it was in this
Speaker 1: episode two where it's like, we're gonna we're gonna take
Speaker 1: some stuff away from you, but not the really fun
Speaker 1: There's a really fun day coming up, but you did
Speaker 1: a really bad thing, so have that fun and then
Speaker 1: and then when nothing's going on, will ground you? Is
Speaker 1: it just to keep it? I mean, I mean, I
Speaker 1: really do think it was just the legist I mean
Speaker 1: that last scene. But I also wondered, based on what
Speaker 1: you're saying, well, like, is there something too uh having
Speaker 1: to not have a downer of an ending for kids
Speaker 1: watching the show? Maybe like that that you get in
Speaker 1: trouble and you you pay the consequences, but you also
Speaker 1: can still be a kid and like, you know, like
Speaker 1: quite possibly making your audience feel shame. It's like, probably
Speaker 1: not the best way to end an episode. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, there's also that this episode, along with
Speaker 1: I mean more than any episode we've seen so far
Speaker 1: is about consequence. Yes, so, I mean there's the idea
Speaker 1: that it's like, you're you did this, now this is
Speaker 1: going to happen to you, but you can still go
Speaker 1: on the roller coaster is a bit like, oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: it kind of bumped me, but but you're right right.
Speaker 1: The logical, actual technicality thing for this episode is when
Speaker 1: we need to have a scene with Halloween costumes to
Speaker 1: end the show. So, um, Mr Finie, we're in Mr
Speaker 1: Finie's classroo Corey walks up to Foenie's desk with his
Speaker 1: clown knows uh. He said he thought he had to
Speaker 1: be a genius in order to earn Mr Feenie's respect,
Speaker 1: and Phoenie says that all his students have to do
Speaker 1: to earn his respect is try their hardest, lovely, lovely
Speaker 1: life lesson. And then we're back in the living room.
Speaker 1: Morgan answers the door for trigger treaters. She gives them
Speaker 1: each one piece of candy and then gives two for herself. Cute.
Speaker 1: I thought it's very cute. Mr Feenie walks up behind
Speaker 1: them with rulers and asks Morgan if he can have
Speaker 1: some of the Matthews candy because his ruler treats are
Speaker 1: not going over very well. That's so funny. So this
Speaker 1: is actually I really liked this this beat with Phoenie
Speaker 1: because it's one of the few times where Poenie makes
Speaker 1: a big mistake and like you get to see Bill rattled,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like that never happened
Speaker 1: on our show. I mean, or maybe I don't remember
Speaker 1: it that much. So this is a great comedic moment
Speaker 1: for Bill to play that sort of like I don't know,
Speaker 1: just he's not in charge, he's not completely confident, he's
Speaker 1: not completely cool. I loved this scene. But what does
Speaker 1: he normally give out on Halloween? This isn't his first
Speaker 1: Halloween normally giving out and and normally those go over well,
Speaker 1: I don't know either. Yeah, but it's also so there's
Speaker 1: something really interesting about the the balance between Mr Finie
Speaker 1: knowing kids so well in the classroom and knowing them
Speaker 1: not at all out of the classroom. Yeah, there's something
Speaker 1: kind of cool about that where it's like I know
Speaker 1: exactly how to handle kids in that one room. Well,
Speaker 1: I also think outside of it, I don't. I think
Speaker 1: it's great that we see that We're getting to see
Speaker 1: Mr Feinie the person versus Mr Feinie the teacher. The
Speaker 1: more we have these moments, because up until this point,
Speaker 1: all of the moments of Foenie in the backyard are
Speaker 1: still well, let me address your teacher. Hi, George, I
Speaker 1: have a question help me with My son failed the test.
Speaker 1: He's still playing the teacher role as opposed to this
Speaker 1: is a peer to peer, neighbored and neighbor. I need
Speaker 1: to borrow from borrowing a cup of sugar from my neighbor.
Speaker 1: Is that why you think is would that be the
Speaker 1: rationale then for having him literally walk around to the
Speaker 1: front of the house instead of just over there, instead
Speaker 1: of just well, I mean again, it's like you just
Speaker 1: walk out and you're right there, walked around the front
Speaker 1: of the hut. There is no gate of the fence,
Speaker 1: is there? They hopped over the Interesting, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they have actually add one. Yeah, and I don't think kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we would have needed to change the location then of
Speaker 1: the scene because kids are not coming in through the backyard,
Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, very yeah. Interesting. And so what I
Speaker 1: remember about this filming this too is so that's actually
Speaker 1: Ben's voice, right, So while that is Dustin or Dusty.
Speaker 1: We found Dusty playing the part of the masked kid,
Speaker 1: mask kid. He did say those lines behind the mask,
Speaker 1: but then they had been record them, sure, so it
Speaker 1: could seem more obvious. I think that, well, that's the joke,
Speaker 1: is that it's supposed to be cool doing a voice,
Speaker 1: and that's what was exactly. It was actually very confusing
Speaker 1: to me because there was you are completely cut out
Speaker 1: of the shot for some reason. We see that three
Speaker 1: children walk up in Halloween costumes, you as Frankenstein, Corey,
Speaker 1: and then Dusty with the mask, and yeah, you get
Speaker 1: framed out of it for I don't know why, and
Speaker 1: I was confused as to who was talking. I was like,
Speaker 1: who is talking with these masks? Is it? Is it
Speaker 1: the character that's cut off? So to me it didn't
Speaker 1: land because it's also it sounds the way it was
Speaker 1: shot though, it was a little strange. It was a
Speaker 1: little strange. I'm not quite sure what was going on,
Speaker 1: or maybe there was maybe there were lines cut out
Speaker 1: of it. Maybe you did have stuff to say and
Speaker 1: it was too hard to show who was talking. I
Speaker 1: remember it being a scramble. I think maybe we were late.
Speaker 1: Last thing. I think we were really pressed for time,
Speaker 1: and I think it was like they grabbed Dusty and
Speaker 1: it was like last minute he got a speaking role,
Speaker 1: and then after he left they recorded Ben doing it.
Speaker 1: So it was like Dusty said the lines but then
Speaker 1: was taken out. His voice was taken out to yeah, James, James. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. So Phoene thinks it's Corey. He lifts
Speaker 1: up the kid's mask, revealing it is not Corey. Phoene
Speaker 1: walks away to go get d from Amy in the
Speaker 1: kitchen and Sewan and Corey are next to each other.
Speaker 1: They pull up their masks and we reveal there they are.
Speaker 1: After all, this is a cute episode. It was. It
Speaker 1: was a very cute episode. I think we're starting if there.
Speaker 1: The show is starting to find itself and we're slowly
Speaker 1: starting to find ourselves. Yeah, and I think it's this
Speaker 1: is the first real episode where I noticed that where
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, okay, Corey and Shawn are a thing, right,
Speaker 1: I don't look like I just found my lines, you know,
Speaker 1: five seconds before, um, we're getting there. I want to
Speaker 1: see more Topanga yet, I want to see more to Pango.
Speaker 1: I made an impact on Indie, did I? Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean that's what I'm telling you. I think the show
Speaker 1: is working exactly as it's great. Yeah. Interesting. Alright, Well,
Speaker 1: our next episode is season one, episode seven. Grandma was
Speaker 1: a rolling stone, my first kiss, my first screen Russell,
Speaker 1: very Russell, just kiss. Yeah. Wow, this is this is
Speaker 1: what we got a lot to unpack in this next
Speaker 1: episode because I asked specifically for this episode, but not
Speaker 1: for the carry Russell thing, but to work with Bill.
Speaker 1: So this was the first time you see Eric and
Speaker 1: Feenie together again, and I specifically went to Michael and asked,
Speaker 1: is this a pizza scene. Yes, you're holding the pizza.
Speaker 1: I remember that run through. I remember this run through
Speaker 1: because it was like we all lost it and we
Speaker 1: could see I remember the whole we were just like,
Speaker 1: oh it works, the Phoenie. It was so good, and
Speaker 1: you holding a piece of pizza and you did it
Speaker 1: for the run through the eldest place of pizza, and
Speaker 1: it was just so funny the way you were like.
Speaker 1: I just remember vividly sitting there with the whole crew
Speaker 1: and being like, oh, this is a whole new thing
Speaker 1: for the show. It was fun and the amazing Rue McClanahan. Grandma, well,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see it. I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: in it, so I don't have any memory of it
Speaker 1: at all. This is a great episode because if it's
Speaker 1: blah blah blah my line, unless you're wearing a jacket,
Speaker 1: that it's blah blah blah. Where I do with my hands?
Speaker 1: J oh, where else you're gonna keep your smokes? Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh. All right, So I'm really looking forward to
Speaker 1: that one. Uh. This was a wonderful episode, and um yeah.
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