Speaker 1: Well, I have to tell you your voice is in
Speaker 1: my house and in my ears too much. Sorry, it's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's wonderful. I want to talk to you
Speaker 1: about it a little bit because can you always recognize it?
Speaker 1: It is always it's just Will enough. I can hear
Speaker 1: it from another room and I'm like, that Will, and
Speaker 1: I'll think I'm wrong. I'll think I'm wrong because there
Speaker 1: have been times I've watched other animated shows and I
Speaker 1: thought I've recognized the voice from like a different one,
Speaker 1: like Addler loves the show called Super Wings. And then
Speaker 1: we were watching a show, a Disney Channel animated show,
Speaker 1: and I was convinced that one of the Supers was
Speaker 1: a voice on this animated show. And I looked it
Speaker 1: up and it was not, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I really thought I was going to nail that somehow.
Speaker 1: With Will's voice, even when he's changing it his characters,
Speaker 1: I can like hear it enough and it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: where I am in the house. I was giving Keaton
Speaker 1: a bath the other night and Adler was watching Guardians
Speaker 1: of the Galaxy on his Amazon Fire and from the
Speaker 1: other room, I go, is that Will? And Jensen's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know let me look it up, and he
Speaker 1: looks it up. He goes, yeah, it's Will. And then
Speaker 1: we were watching a Spider Man an Ultimate Spider Man
Speaker 1: on TV another day, and all of a sudden from
Speaker 1: the other room, I'm making Adther's dinner. Is that Will?
Speaker 1: And so Jensen texts, Will, Will, are you in the
Speaker 1: Ultimate Spider Man? He goes, is it a Deadpool episode?
Speaker 1: And we're like it is. He goes, then yep. It's
Speaker 1: me like, oh, thank god. And then I'm listening to
Speaker 1: our podcast episodes for you know, doing our editing, and
Speaker 1: then I'm watching Boy Meets World for there and I'm like,
Speaker 1: there is so much Will. Will is just everywhere. Sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: I mean it's wonderful. I had no idea. I knew
Speaker 1: you were a very successful voice over actor, but I
Speaker 1: did not know quite how many characters you voice. It's
Speaker 1: like tons. Yeah, I've been very I've been very, very
Speaker 1: lucky in my voice over career, and and it's hundreds
Speaker 1: now at this point I've been doing it for twenty
Speaker 1: five years. Yeah, marvelous, marvelous, marvelous side of the industry.
Speaker 1: It really is. Well, I'd love to escape you. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have I'm gonna ut you turn you off
Speaker 1: your conversation writer and Danielle Today's episode. That is no problem.
Speaker 1: I totally understand. But just make sure you don't watch
Speaker 1: any ThunderCats or Batman of any kind and you'll be fine. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: how often do you do like your voice? I mean,
Speaker 1: how often is it just you acting? And how often
Speaker 1: is it a character? Um? It depends on what world
Speaker 1: we're in, quote unquote like Disney. You know, if you're
Speaker 1: doing something Disney, you're very charactery. You're usually it's like
Speaker 1: ron Stoppable is always up here and it's not you know,
Speaker 1: it's a total character. Um. But when you're doing something
Speaker 1: like um, Guardians of the Galaxy, it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: just me. It's like a Chris Pratty kind of come on, Comemora,
Speaker 1: what are what are you talking about? Let's just go
Speaker 1: and do what we gotta do. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: that kind of slightly elevated version of yourself exactly. So
Speaker 1: you do you do? You know, and then and then
Speaker 1: it runs the different kind of depending on what you're doing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just did one, uh was it last week?
Speaker 1: We're the whole time, I'm just talking like this, that's great.
Speaker 1: Is it a prospector? Yeah? He was. He was kind
Speaker 1: of like a turned out here, just writing a horse
Speaker 1: and just trying to figure out how to get to
Speaker 1: the gulch, you know, like stuff like sum I My
Speaker 1: voice never changed, So I the only cartoon characters I
Speaker 1: ever have gotten casted is fourteen year old boy because
Speaker 1: I just sound like a fourteen year old boy. So
Speaker 1: it's a great zone to be. So I just show
Speaker 1: up and sort of act as this and it's and
Speaker 1: you know, I've had people say to me, like recognized
Speaker 1: me on the street, like your voice hasn't changed. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I must still sound like a season one of Boymates World.
Speaker 1: That was like, guys, when I stopped growing, So I'm
Speaker 1: the same height five eight and my voice never changed. Well,
Speaker 1: can we talk about that for a second, because I
Speaker 1: know we're going to get back into the episode, but
Speaker 1: or into the episode when we get there. But the
Speaker 1: thing that shocked me the most about this episode was
Speaker 1: how much you towered over. Yeah, Like I never knew.
Speaker 1: I always in my head you're kind of like the
Speaker 1: same size. You were like a foot taller than him. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it was also just the way I was
Speaker 1: like perching in this episode, Like I'm constantly like sitting
Speaker 1: on a desk atball, like even sitting on the back
Speaker 1: of my seat for some reason in this episode, I'm
Speaker 1: like constantly Yeah you get you get into his face
Speaker 1: at the end, and you're like you tower over him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well this is why I didn't realize that I was
Speaker 1: not a tall person until I was in my twenties.
Speaker 1: Just like just like I didn't really I just just
Speaker 1: like I didn't know my shirt size until I was twenty.
Speaker 1: I always because because at thirteen, I was the tallest
Speaker 1: kid in my class, you know, like I was always
Speaker 1: taller than all of my friends. So when we started
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World, like I was locked in this mindset
Speaker 1: of like, oh, I'm kind of a tall person, and
Speaker 1: then everybody else kept growing I did not. So you
Speaker 1: get that a lot though. We'll jump into the episode
Speaker 1: for sure. But last week we had Lauren Lattison as
Speaker 1: our guest and it was so much fun having her
Speaker 1: um And we asked for you guys to write us
Speaker 1: and tell us about if there was a Poenie character
Speaker 1: in your life, and we got a bunch of emails
Speaker 1: and I have selected two of them to share with you.
Speaker 1: Guys here, are you interested in hearing them? Absolutely? Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is from Jason Burke and he said, you
Speaker 1: asked us to talk about what Mr Feenie means to us,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to try to keep it brief. For me,
Speaker 1: Mr Feenie was the first character that made me look
Speaker 1: for the lesson behind the lesson. He broke the mold
Speaker 1: of the teachers stereotype. He taught the lessons already knowing
Speaker 1: that they would have subtleties and subtext that the would
Speaker 1: need to use outside of the classroom. He stepped in
Speaker 1: with heart and care while never crossing the line of
Speaker 1: propriety and professionalism. Mr Feenie taught your character's lessons while
Speaker 1: making us the viewers, dig for the connections ourselves. He
Speaker 1: was a guy that, no matter what the age gap was,
Speaker 1: every kid at home was rooting for him. That's a
Speaker 1: huge credit not only to the writing staff, but the
Speaker 1: incomparable Bill Daniels and his acting ability. Thank you, Mr
Speaker 1: Feinie for helping us to figure out the kind of
Speaker 1: adults that we wanted to grow into. Lose one teacher,
Speaker 1: lose all teachers lose yourself. I love you all. Email dismissed.
Speaker 1: That's put. Thank you so much Jason for that message,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to read you one more. This is
Speaker 1: for from Jake Verstig or Verstige. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm saying that correctly. If I'm not, I'm sorry. It says, Hey,
Speaker 1: Pod Meats World team just wanted to send a quick
Speaker 1: note about how Mr Feinie has shaped me as an educator.
Speaker 1: I'm the athletic director at the Performing Arts Center to
Speaker 1: actor of vocal music in Canton, South Dakota. I was
Speaker 1: just a little young for Boy Meat's World when it
Speaker 1: originally aired. However, in high school and college I fell
Speaker 1: in love with the show when it played on the
Speaker 1: Disney Channel. I always admired Mr Feinie for the way
Speaker 1: he formed close knit, appropriate and meaningful relationships with the
Speaker 1: main cast on Boy Meats World. However, it was his
Speaker 1: final sign off that changed how I viewed education in general. Dream, try,
Speaker 1: do good. I'm tearing up as I write this full honesty.
Speaker 1: If I do nothing else as a teacher except to
Speaker 1: help children do those three things, then I will consider
Speaker 1: my career as an educator an immense success. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be the teacher I am if the Mr Feinie didn't
Speaker 1: exist as a character, and likely if William Daniels didn't
Speaker 1: brilliantly portray the role. Thank you so much for the
Speaker 1: opportunity to relive this show through the podcast. Love and
Speaker 1: Admiration from South Dakota. Aren't those great? So many of them?
Speaker 1: I think this is a good episode to talk about.
Speaker 1: You know, this is one of the best Phoenie episodes
Speaker 1: two in terms of the sort of all knowing teacher
Speaker 1: who uh sets up a situation and then has an
Speaker 1: amazing lesson. Uh yeah, I was. I was blown away
Speaker 1: by this episode. It is. It's a perfect episode. Let's
Speaker 1: jump in. This is Pod meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel,
Speaker 1: I'm Right or Strong, and I'm Wilfred l. So. Today
Speaker 1: we are covering season one, episode eight, Teachers Bet. It
Speaker 1: originally aired November ninete and um. The synopsis is that
Speaker 1: Phoenie makes a bet with Corey to teach his class
Speaker 1: for one week. If more students passed the test than
Speaker 1: Corey wins, and if more students fail, Phoenie wins. So.
Speaker 1: It was directed by David Trayner. It was written by
Speaker 1: April Kelly and UM Online. It also says that Jeff
Speaker 1: Minell was an executive story editor for this episode. Okay, interesting,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it means either, but obviously he was the executive
Speaker 1: story editor titles and titles. I have a feeling, and
Speaker 1: this is just you know, conjecture. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I have a feeling. It means someone wrote the bulk
Speaker 1: of the episode and then there was one person assigned
Speaker 1: to it because it was written by April Kelly, who
Speaker 1: also was an executive producer, so it's possible she had
Speaker 1: so many other things going on in the week that
Speaker 1: that episode then got handed over to Jeff to make
Speaker 1: exactly whether it's a punch up or it's or it's
Speaker 1: making the changes, and he becomes then the executive story editor.
Speaker 1: But ultimately at the end of the day, the original
Speaker 1: episode was created by April Kelly. Well, you know what's
Speaker 1: interesting is that it will all depend on whatever the
Speaker 1: w g A, which is the Writer's Guild UM rules
Speaker 1: are at the time, and they change. So I mean
Speaker 1: you can see some things where it'll say like written
Speaker 1: by and it'll have one name and it'll say story
Speaker 1: by and it'll have another name. And it's one of
Speaker 1: those things where somebody can come in and you know,
Speaker 1: have have a great story and write the first draft
Speaker 1: and then it changes so much and changes so much
Speaker 1: that by the end it's technically the teleplay or or
Speaker 1: screenplay is written by somebody else, but the story credit
Speaker 1: is still given to the original person who came up
Speaker 1: with the idea. So there's all these tiny little rules
Speaker 1: that change all the time of how much you put in,
Speaker 1: what you did, how much work, how much time it's taken,
Speaker 1: which can change the different credits that you'll see on
Speaker 1: the on the television joke. Well, and television is a
Speaker 1: real mess too film. In film it's much more sort
Speaker 1: of uh structured, and the rules are you know, they
Speaker 1: literally count the words that between drafts and assigned credit
Speaker 1: based on that, you know, if you end up going
Speaker 1: to arbitration. But in television it's such a team effort
Speaker 1: that who ends up getting the credit sometimes is pretty arbitrary.
Speaker 1: And there's also this weird tradition that has written in
Speaker 1: order to pay writers better, they give them producer credits. Um,
Speaker 1: So every writer basically is now no longer just trying
Speaker 1: to get their credit on a script and having a
Speaker 1: written by creditor. They're trying to get producer credit or
Speaker 1: executive producer, creditor, co producer credit, associate executive story editor
Speaker 1: or whatever they because there's no producers Guild. There's no
Speaker 1: producers union in the same way that there is a
Speaker 1: writer's Guild and a director's Guild and actors. You know,
Speaker 1: there's all these unions, but there's no producers union. So
Speaker 1: the producer title, which is in some ways the most
Speaker 1: important and sought after, is also the most fluid um.
Speaker 1: And so when somebody says that they're a producer, that
Speaker 1: could mean it was like the first lesson in Hollywood, right.
Speaker 1: It's like if somebody introduces themselves as a producer, to
Speaker 1: be like, okay, but what have you actually? What is?
Speaker 1: What do you tell me? Explain your skill set? Please?
Speaker 1: This episode has two guest stars, one myself as to
Speaker 1: Pangaea is finally back. You're not a guest stars, You're
Speaker 1: a guest star. That's my credit. I watched this with
Speaker 1: my wife and I was like, yes, Dan yells back.
Speaker 1: Can Sue was like, wait a second, isn't wasn't she
Speaker 1: on all of them and then beIN. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that's what everyone thinks, and immediately was like, oh she's back, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: like al right, it was like it was so funny.
Speaker 1: I think the center of the show had been a
Speaker 1: stablished you know what I mean, Like the second that
Speaker 1: Corey's Alternative Friends episode, like that's all Andy cared about.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh yeah, okay, now she's back, and it
Speaker 1: was like he was comfortable again. Same Now I know
Speaker 1: what the show is, and I know the classroom, I
Speaker 1: know the environment. It's so funny. Well, tell Indie, thank you.
Speaker 1: And then the most important guest star of this week
Speaker 1: is Lindsay Price as Linda. So apparently Eric has gotten
Speaker 1: rid of Heather. That did not go well. Well, of
Speaker 1: course it was a new it was a new week,
Speaker 1: so they need you know. That's how it was in
Speaker 1: the beginning. It was like, first we talked about Heather,
Speaker 1: then we see Heather. Now we need another guest star.
Speaker 1: So now Eric is apparently just with somebody else and
Speaker 1: it's like okay, alright, alright, well, but obviously they also
Speaker 1: needed the ethnicity for this episode. That was remember the
Speaker 1: driving factor, the thing I remember most and we can
Speaker 1: get into it more when this when the scene comes.
Speaker 1: But about working with Lindsay was and again I'm always
Speaker 1: you know, I bashed myself quite a bit on this
Speaker 1: on this podcast, which I will continue to do. But
Speaker 1: I distinctly remember working with her during the crying scene
Speaker 1: where she turned it on instantly, and I remember the
Speaker 1: later going oh my god, she's so much better than me.
Speaker 1: She's so good, so good, and it was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: she's she's really like I am not in this league
Speaker 1: at all the episode and I remember the exact same
Speaker 1: thing watching her cry. I remember the moments of watching
Speaker 1: not being filmed and being like whoa, yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like, man, she's good. Yeah, So I did you know?
Speaker 1: I I worked with Lindsay later, um, I did a
Speaker 1: TV series with her, um called Pepper Dennis. It's a
Speaker 1: series that I met my wife on. Actually, so yeah,
Speaker 1: we were all we all we all hung out a
Speaker 1: bunch then and I remember like kind of reintroducing myself
Speaker 1: to her and she was like, oh, yeah, I did that.
Speaker 1: I did I did a very special episode of your show.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I think it was just an episode.
Speaker 1: I think like everything about boys, you know, but people
Speaker 1: remember things is like very special episodes. It was like
Speaker 1: every episode of Boy Meats World had that vibe, right,
Speaker 1: like there was always this dramatic turn or this you
Speaker 1: know lesson um. But it was funny that in her mind,
Speaker 1: because I you know, I don't think she watched the
Speaker 1: show beyond having done this episode. In her mind, she
Speaker 1: remembered it as this, you know, like a big deal,
Speaker 1: a big you know, and it is, of course, well
Speaker 1: it's actually one of the things Lauren Lattas talked about
Speaker 1: last week is that one of the things I think
Speaker 1: that made Boy Meat's World special is that every episode
Speaker 1: did have that very special episode lesson like you're talking about, writer,
Speaker 1: But almost none of the episodes had that very special
Speaker 1: episode feel. They didn't have that like changing of the
Speaker 1: music sometimes. I think there are a few that that did.
Speaker 1: But you know, for the most part, it was every
Speaker 1: week was a very special episode, delivered in a very
Speaker 1: like we're just gonna have a conversation about stuff that
Speaker 1: happens in real life and you're not going to feel
Speaker 1: like beating you over the head with a lesson so um.
Speaker 1: To her, like you said, it probably did feel very
Speaker 1: very special and to us obviously she had a cry
Speaker 1: to you know, like so her memory of it was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going on to this comedy show and I have
Speaker 1: to cry and have experienced racial attack Like that is intense.
Speaker 1: That's not something you typically do as a teenage guest
Speaker 1: star on a on a show. I mean, the synopsis
Speaker 1: does not do a good explanation of saying that anything
Speaker 1: like that happens. It just explains the bet that happens
Speaker 1: with Corey. But you know, I also remember, maybe you
Speaker 1: guys can fill this in for me. I also remember
Speaker 1: it being more clear from the Corey perspective, what like
Speaker 1: that she had been called something racial? Remember mispronounced it? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's how okay, that just we'll just call it the
Speaker 1: G word. Yes, but yeah, that that that was actually
Speaker 1: in the script. The only slur that's in the script
Speaker 1: is the W word, which you know, it is interesting
Speaker 1: but in the original script, because I remember we all
Speaker 1: at the table read, Ben mispronounced it because we never
Speaker 1: heard he never heard. Everybody laughed at the table read
Speaker 1: because you know, but it was such a sweet moment
Speaker 1: in retrospect that Ben did not know this word and
Speaker 1: I didn't not. That to me shows the difference in
Speaker 1: ages just right there, even the difference between being twelve
Speaker 1: thirteen years old and being sixteen seventeen years old, because
Speaker 1: by this point I had seen like Platoon and Full
Speaker 1: Metal Jacket and use the Vietnam movies that use this
Speaker 1: word over and over again. So I was familiar with
Speaker 1: the word obviously, and and I do I remember that
Speaker 1: same thing where it was? So why was it cut?
Speaker 1: I mean, was it cut because it was too offensive?
Speaker 1: Like I wonder if it was a note? I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I I wondered if it was cut just on Disney
Speaker 1: plus no I heard I I distinctly remember him him
Speaker 1: mispronouncing the word and then it just not being there.
Speaker 1: It was gone. It was got after the table. Huh, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was it. I bet you was a network note, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, because so I kept as it was building
Speaker 1: up to it, I was like, this is interesting because
Speaker 1: I was watching it with Indie and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to get into what this word means
Speaker 1: or you know, if because I assumed it was coming
Speaker 1: and then it didn't come, and I was kind of relieved.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, right, well, how is
Speaker 1: how does that work? And how would that work nowadays too,
Speaker 1: you know, like because I think now we exists in
Speaker 1: a space where we we just don't use those words,
Speaker 1: even if we're using them within a context of criticism,
Speaker 1: right um. And you know, it was an interesting moment
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, we're still going to just throw
Speaker 1: out one racially derogatory term at Sewan Hunter. But that's
Speaker 1: the thing. Why is why was? Why is one okay?
Speaker 1: But the other one is cut? Is the question that
Speaker 1: I had. I was like, the second he's why why
Speaker 1: is that one all right? But the other one Isn't
Speaker 1: That that I found very strange. M hm, I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. And I also then felt like something was
Speaker 1: missing in from the Corey perspective, clarity about what actually yeah,
Speaker 1: about what actually happened, because I without the context of
Speaker 1: knowing about that they're reading about Anne Frank and that
Speaker 1: and all of that. If you if my brother or
Speaker 1: sister or whoever came home and said someone called me
Speaker 1: a bad name, I don't think my first thought would
Speaker 1: be that it would be racially oriented. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I would think it was, but it wouldn't necessary
Speaker 1: it needed. I thought it actually missed the fact that
Speaker 1: it should have been more pointed about what it was. Um,
Speaker 1: so we'll we will get to that scene. Let's go
Speaker 1: to the end. Let's go right to the end. So
Speaker 1: we are in the school cafeteria. Sean brings Corey a
Speaker 1: Barry Bonds article and they call him the forty three
Speaker 1: million dollar man because that's how much he's getting to
Speaker 1: play baseball for six years. And um that obviously, that
Speaker 1: still sounds like a lot of money. And yet in
Speaker 1: comparison to what baseball players make now, it is practically nothing.
Speaker 1: For example, Mike Trout recently signed a deal for four
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty six million dollars for twelve years, so
Speaker 1: about thirty five million a year per year. He's almost
Speaker 1: making what Barry Bonds was making for his entire company,
Speaker 1: easily seven million a year. Come on, what is that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just laughing about. I was like, wow, that's
Speaker 1: that's practically nothing compared to now, And yet that sounds
Speaker 1: like so much money. Um Minga says Mr Finie is
Speaker 1: one of the top guys in teaching and he only
Speaker 1: makes about forty dollars a year. I love this whole conversation.
Speaker 1: I think it's so smart and such a great way
Speaker 1: to set up a disparity that I don't think kids realize,
Speaker 1: you know, like I really don't think that this comes
Speaker 1: up enough. It still doesn't come up enough, but just
Speaker 1: and I love how specific it is to be like yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, I still the teachers still don't make
Speaker 1: more than fifty grand a year, if that right? Like
Speaker 1: this is public school? Such, Yes, it's such. And I
Speaker 1: love Lee's for for It's so beautiful to see and um,
Speaker 1: it's so earnest. It's such a sweet moment. My recurs
Speaker 1: throughout the episode. My head instantly when I saw that
Speaker 1: scene went to, okay, backstory for leonor like Mincus, did
Speaker 1: Mincus and Mr Feenie have a conversation where Foenie tells
Speaker 1: him what he's paid. Has Mincus done the research to
Speaker 1: That's what I think too, That's what I was. I
Speaker 1: gotta so he obviously went to the library, went to
Speaker 1: the the you know, the town records office to find
Speaker 1: out because he's not Google's tax returns. I think it's
Speaker 1: actually probably realistically, I think it's probably conversation with his
Speaker 1: parents at the dinner chavel, you know, talking about things
Speaker 1: that are that are important and that are going on
Speaker 1: in the world, and you know, teachers don't make nearly
Speaker 1: enough money and they probably had that dialogue with him,
Speaker 1: and he has that information from his parents. Um, so
Speaker 1: I feel like this is peak Sean outfit. This is
Speaker 1: this is what I remember, like if I think about
Speaker 1: Boy Meets World season one, this is the outfit I'm wearing,
Speaker 1: and that this scene was like I was like, oh there,
Speaker 1: I am, uh, some kind of denim hoodie, colorful print
Speaker 1: print thing. My hair is like in the right, like Sean, look,
Speaker 1: it's extra voluminous. I'm dealing with it. It's in my face.
Speaker 1: And I watched to see I was like, this is
Speaker 1: what I remember. This is this is what I remember
Speaker 1: feeling like and looking like, oh god, I mean, you're
Speaker 1: acting as it was a bad thing, but you are
Speaker 1: so cute. You're so cute. I know you. I know
Speaker 1: you don't feel that way, but you are. You're just
Speaker 1: so cute and your closer oversized and you've got the
Speaker 1: you know, the minute your hair falls in your face,
Speaker 1: you're getting it out with your signature hand swoop. And
Speaker 1: it's so I love that this bend that Sean doesn't
Speaker 1: think Phoenie is worth that much money. And Minca says
Speaker 1: that Phoenie is grossly underpaid. Corey says nothing about teaching
Speaker 1: six sixth grade ever changes, and he calls Phenie predictable,
Speaker 1: and then he walks through exactly what's going to happen
Speaker 1: next that Phenie's gonna come in, he's gonna take a
Speaker 1: sip of water from the fountain, he's gonna wipe his mustache,
Speaker 1: he's gonna walk by, he's gonna say good morning, Mr Matthews,
Speaker 1: I trust you've done the homework. And then they're gonna
Speaker 1: have this little exchange, and sure enough, Phenie walks in
Speaker 1: and does exactly what he details, but then also predicts
Speaker 1: what Ben is gonna say. So they're both just as predictable,
Speaker 1: just as predictable. Yeah, Phoenie says, gosh, you're so predictable.
Speaker 1: So then we are in Phoenie's classroom and they are
Speaker 1: talking about prejudice this week in class. Corey says he's
Speaker 1: prejudiced against the food in the cafeteria and I have
Speaker 1: no idea why to Panga also laughs to Pango laughs
Speaker 1: at that joke, and I guess, I guess she likes Corey.
Speaker 1: But like the first time we ever met, to Penga,
Speaker 1: she was campaigning for the librarian, and I feel like
Speaker 1: she for sure would be involved in the cafeteria life
Speaker 1: and would probably roll her eyes at the idea that
Speaker 1: you're going to make fun of these of the food
Speaker 1: that these hard working people are making in the cafeteria.
Speaker 1: That would be my backstory for to Panga. Well, I
Speaker 1: think they needed to establish that Ben's a class clown, right,
Speaker 1: because that's what then disruptive, because that's the so I
Speaker 1: bet you it was a note for all of us, yes, like, oh,
Speaker 1: when Ben says this line, you guys should all laugh
Speaker 1: to indicate, to indicate that he's like disrupting the class,
Speaker 1: so it will lead to the conversation after after this.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. But they didn't show Mincas because I
Speaker 1: guarantee you Mincas didn't laugh, right, and so all I
Speaker 1: could see was me and it just felt like, Hey,
Speaker 1: why why do I have to be in this camera
Speaker 1: shot laughing? Other people should be laughing, But I don't
Speaker 1: think to Panga would laugh. But you're right, they do
Speaker 1: need to set up that it would be that he's
Speaker 1: now disrupting the class and um and so uh calls.
Speaker 1: I'd like to say before you say, Phoene calls Corey
Speaker 1: up to the thing. I've had this exact conversation with
Speaker 1: the teacher of mine, This exact will come up to
Speaker 1: the front after the class. Every year, you're disrupting out
Speaker 1: jokes every time, you're making it more difficult. Like as
Speaker 1: I was sitting there watching, I had this just flashback
Speaker 1: to seventh grade where I had this exact conversation with
Speaker 1: the teacher. So that was really weird for me. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, man, I've I've had that. I've had
Speaker 1: that same conversation. Like I had a visceral feeling where
Speaker 1: I had had that exact conversation with the teacher before.
Speaker 1: I actually did too, but it was later, I guess
Speaker 1: it was in high school. I definitely had a teacher
Speaker 1: pulled me aside. It was a great conversation because I
Speaker 1: had a great teacher who just pulled me aside and
Speaker 1: he was like, hey, can you help me out. He's like,
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, the the other kids really look
Speaker 1: up to you, and when you do this and you
Speaker 1: talk like that, and it makes my job really hard.
Speaker 1: Can you just And if I remember feeling like so devastated,
Speaker 1: like oh, I'm he's like, why why are you doing this?
Speaker 1: Are you trying to like, you know, what do you
Speaker 1: what do you? What do you want from this? And
Speaker 1: I was like I'm sorry. He's like yeah, because I'm
Speaker 1: trying to teach, Like what do you what are we
Speaker 1: here to do? And it was just like a hey,
Speaker 1: Pierre to Pierre, can you help me out? And it changed.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I will do whatever it ticks.
Speaker 1: I don't see you disrupting class jokes where you were
Speaker 1: you like the jokey guy. I wasn't a jokey I
Speaker 1: don't know what, but I mean I remember this conversation
Speaker 1: because I've actually thought about it as a parent, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's such a wonderful way to approach a kid
Speaker 1: who's being disruptive. I don't think. I mean I must
Speaker 1: have been. I must have been either making jokes or
Speaker 1: just not taking it seriously or whatever. But it was
Speaker 1: it was What was so great about it was his teacher,
Speaker 1: who you know, in retrospect was twenty four years old,
Speaker 1: which um, and he basically asked me to help, you know,
Speaker 1: he empowered me. He didn't he didn't try and like
Speaker 1: get into a competition with me. He was like Hey,
Speaker 1: you clearly have this power over the other kids with
Speaker 1: you know, the social power. Can you help me? Can
Speaker 1: you use that instead of trying you know? And it
Speaker 1: was just like person to person, I'm trying to teach
Speaker 1: a class. What are you trying to do? And it
Speaker 1: totally worked. I remember being like, oh my god, my
Speaker 1: entire world shifted. Yes, I will help you, I will
Speaker 1: do you know. It empowered me, which is just such
Speaker 1: a great way to approach us. That was not the
Speaker 1: way my teacher approached it, right. It was not we
Speaker 1: are peers, can you help me out? It was like,
Speaker 1: what the hell do you think you're doing? Student? Shut up?
Speaker 1: And it was like Phoene falls somewhere in between. I
Speaker 1: suppose held have been an imposing figure, but he is,
Speaker 1: you know, just says he calls Corey up to his
Speaker 1: desk after class, and he says he's making his job
Speaker 1: difficult by having a comment on everything, and Corey says, well,
Speaker 1: Phoenie's job is easy and it's the same thing he
Speaker 1: has to teach every year, it's just different students. And
Speaker 1: Phoene says he's been underestimating Corey's job as a sixth
Speaker 1: grader and says that they should maybe trade jobs for
Speaker 1: the week. Corey has to teach the class this week
Speaker 1: and give an exam while Phoenie will sit in the
Speaker 1: class like a student, and it's going to lead to wackiness.
Speaker 1: Total wackiness will ensue. But Corey is in. He thinks
Speaker 1: he's got the easy end of this deal. So we're
Speaker 1: in the Matthews living room. Eric comes home with Linda,
Speaker 1: a new girl, and you you called her weez again,
Speaker 1: which I stop. I still think it's very cute. I
Speaker 1: don't believe you ever dropped it. Yeah, yeah, they were,
Speaker 1: and they were really, you know, still kind of Eric
Speaker 1: and Eric and Morgan had kind of a relationship going on.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, older brother, younger sister kind
Speaker 1: of thing. It was great, and then one day it
Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, we're not doing that. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: curious when this drops off because I didn't realize it
Speaker 1: lasted this long. I mean, it's yeah, it's this is
Speaker 1: this is your recurring thing? Is you and Lily having
Speaker 1: these beats? I have two recurring things. It's the Lily thing. Three.
Speaker 1: The Lily thing, different girlfriends and the gene on gene
Speaker 1: outfit are the three things that they just try to
Speaker 1: keep working. Do you think do you guys think we's
Speaker 1: had anything to do with Polly Shore? All right, poll
Speaker 1: would Polly would? Would that have been around the same time? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What did he say? What he said? Weasel? He called
Speaker 1: people weasels? He did Maybe we had enough Beavis and
Speaker 1: butt Head references. That's what we were thinking. This is
Speaker 1: the Beavis and butt Head of the house, Like this
Speaker 1: is the this is the They're pulling different pop culture
Speaker 1: references all it's time. So maybe, yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 1: I wonder were you you weren't a poly Shore fan. Well,
Speaker 1: I can't, I mean not like I know. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying like back at the time, because I know that
Speaker 1: for example, like we we have a Cartman, we have
Speaker 1: a Cartman reference in the and then there was Shawn
Speaker 1: episode because you were a big um. Why can't I
Speaker 1: think of the name of the show? Thank you? So
Speaker 1: I was yeah, no, there was no but no, I
Speaker 1: know it wasn't Tawoie. It was it was the poop
Speaker 1: whoever the poop was right, Yeah, but no I was not. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this didn't come from you, Okay, So but I
Speaker 1: wonder if that was somewhere in there if that was
Speaker 1: like there was like I was not this is episode
Speaker 1: seven or eight. I was not hoping, not even to
Speaker 1: talk to the producers, let alone give them like what
Speaker 1: if we tried this? Like no, I was that's something
Speaker 1: you waited till season four or five. Okay, so uh.
Speaker 1: Amy tries to get Morgan out of the living room,
Speaker 1: but she wants to stay and talk to Linda, and
Speaker 1: Morgan tells Linda Eric has had billions of girlfriends. She
Speaker 1: was she was money in this episode. Yeah, she was.
Speaker 1: She's very cute. Um. Linda says that they're not. She's
Speaker 1: not a new girlfriend. Eric just wants to study with her,
Speaker 1: and Morgan taps her on the hand and says, oh please,
Speaker 1: you're going to fall for that one. Um. Then they
Speaker 1: all go into the kitchen to get a snack, while
Speaker 1: Corey and Alan rush into the living room. Corn Corey
Speaker 1: tells his parents about him being a social studies teacher
Speaker 1: for the rest of the week, and Corey compares Mr.
Speaker 1: Feinie's job to being Vanna White. Alan is not so
Speaker 1: sure about any of this, and he wants to know,
Speaker 1: what what are you? What are the stakes of this bet?
Speaker 1: And it is revealed that Corey has given up his
Speaker 1: bike if Mr Feenie wins, and this is a funny
Speaker 1: on running joke to me with Rusty just convinced that
Speaker 1: Mr Feinie actually just wants to Like that was pretty
Speaker 1: It's like, why why does he want? That? Was funny,
Speaker 1: I know, And she goes, of course, you know, this
Speaker 1: is just one of those Poenie lessons, and he goes,
Speaker 1: what if the lesson is I want that bike? Got
Speaker 1: that bite? I thought it was pretty funny to have
Speaker 1: Amy say, you know, one of those Phenie lessons like
Speaker 1: it's a thing. Really established the idea that this is
Speaker 1: this is going on for years, which you know, it's
Speaker 1: also funny. This is maybe the first episode where they've
Speaker 1: referenced the fact that Corey has other teachers, you know
Speaker 1: that there's not like there's five, because I think they
Speaker 1: finally had to acknowledge the fact that by sixth grade
Speaker 1: you have different teachers for different subjects. So this was
Speaker 1: is this the first time we learned what subject Phenie teaches?
Speaker 1: Social studies? Because I don't think. I don't think we
Speaker 1: just said, you know, he he makes a reference in
Speaker 1: the earlier episode to that that that grade I gave
Speaker 1: you in math. Yeah, there's like what what Phenie is
Speaker 1: just all around teacher. He teaches what needed to be
Speaker 1: taught that week, what needs be So I'm curious how
Speaker 1: that's going to evolve because it's it's established in this
Speaker 1: one that he is one of five teachers or he
Speaker 1: teaches five different classes, and that he teaches social studies,
Speaker 1: And I wonder how consistent that's going to be. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know if he's only been his teacher for
Speaker 1: this year, um, it's going to be interesting, you know.
Speaker 1: But it's also I mean, let's be honest, when you
Speaker 1: were in your social study at least in my school,
Speaker 1: you're so and I was went to public high school,
Speaker 1: of being public middle school. Your social studies teacher did
Speaker 1: not give you books to read. It did not give
Speaker 1: you literature. It's not like how you're in social studies
Speaker 1: now you're going to read the Diary of Van Frank
Speaker 1: Like that never happened. So that was a weird crossover
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, I'm your social studies teacher
Speaker 1: here read this book like yeah, And I think at
Speaker 1: the end of this season we also read Steinbeck. I
Speaker 1: think we do grapes of wrath references. Yeah, because there's
Speaker 1: a Union episode. I remember singing look for the Union
Speaker 1: and yeah, exactly, and so I think that's a Steinbeck right.
Speaker 1: So we're reading literature more than anything. And in his
Speaker 1: social studies class, which, yeah, what you need, whatever, lesson have,
Speaker 1: lesson will travel like another little continuity error. Perhaps what continuity? No,
Speaker 1: So we are back in Mr Feeney's classroom and Peenie
Speaker 1: is sitting in Corey's seat. Minkus panics when he finds
Speaker 1: out Corey is teaching the class this week, and it
Speaker 1: is such a cute reaction. What's what's going on? Looking? Yes? Also,
Speaker 1: when I saw myself sitting in the front seat front,
Speaker 1: I had just a light bulb went off about how
Speaker 1: much I loved that dress, that green kind of peasant
Speaker 1: dress with like a little bit of a puffy sleeve
Speaker 1: and an elastic around the wrist. I found out where
Speaker 1: the wardrobe stylist bought it, and then I asked for
Speaker 1: one they bought, and I paid them back so that
Speaker 1: I could have one in my own closet. So I
Speaker 1: I like love that dress. I don't I don't still
Speaker 1: have it, but I did love that dress, and I
Speaker 1: think I think my cousin ended up buying it too,
Speaker 1: Like we all loved it. It was like such a
Speaker 1: it was a very popular dress at the time. I
Speaker 1: do you remember feeling that Topango was weird? They are
Speaker 1: different than you, And did you like that or do
Speaker 1: you I'm curious because I mean, it was obviously like
Speaker 1: we've talked about when you in your first episode, it
Speaker 1: was it was it was a real difference from you,
Speaker 1: right like you had to talk differently, you had to
Speaker 1: say all these weird things. And in this episode you
Speaker 1: get to do like, you know, get even more out
Speaker 1: there with the yoga stuff. So I'm curious, how do
Speaker 1: you do you remember like judging to Pango or thinking
Speaker 1: to Pengo was cool. I thought I thought to Pengo
Speaker 1: was cool. I I also thought, you know, channeling and
Speaker 1: making that weird sound I make for what I was
Speaker 1: going to respond to that. Of course, to twelve year
Speaker 1: old Danielle was like, well that's weird. But all of
Speaker 1: the other stuff about to Panga, certainly her confidence, her
Speaker 1: um you know, I remember thinking it was cool, even
Speaker 1: the line she had about where he said, You're going
Speaker 1: to be one of those girls who doesn't shave her
Speaker 1: legs and her saying, well, I haven't decided yet. I
Speaker 1: remember thinking, that's cool that she knows that there's a
Speaker 1: decision coming up, and she's aware that she's going to
Speaker 1: have to choose something, and she's even comfortable just saying
Speaker 1: I haven't decided yet, because I think young dn L
Speaker 1: really felt like, um, I needed to be decisive about everything,
Speaker 1: and and like if you took time to really think
Speaker 1: about think things through too much, which showed it almost
Speaker 1: made you weak, which makes no sense, but I think
Speaker 1: that's how I thought. So anytime I had like a
Speaker 1: choice to make, I was always very sure of my
Speaker 1: choice and then jumped right into it without necessarily giving
Speaker 1: it a lot of thought. And I think what I
Speaker 1: thought was cool most about Tapango was the thing that
Speaker 1: was hardest for me to do, which was just that
Speaker 1: she was slow. She slowed down, and she didn't feel
Speaker 1: that she had to be on anybody else's time constraints.
Speaker 1: And I recognized that in her and admired it, so
Speaker 1: then also talk so fast. That it is such a
Speaker 1: contrast when you sometimes when you're an actor, you you
Speaker 1: play to the person you're with, So when you are
Speaker 1: sitting there and the person you're with is speaking that
Speaker 1: quickly and you know that. You're like, I've got to
Speaker 1: take my time with everything. It's man, that can I
Speaker 1: can see how that can mess with you. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: slow down? Can I ask? And this might just have
Speaker 1: been me and I might just be overly sensitive or
Speaker 1: weird now that I'm getting older, but I found it
Speaker 1: a little strange the whole nudity exchange between two twelve
Speaker 1: year olds. Oh, I don't know, again, I might be
Speaker 1: over but the kind of you're not gonna come naked,
Speaker 1: are you? And it's like, well, I have no problem
Speaker 1: with nudity, which I get. I like the body positivity,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, I was kind of like, weird,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it didn't bump me, only because
Speaker 1: I could totally I could totally see I can see
Speaker 1: for sure. Why why a Corey character, why any twelve
Speaker 1: year old kid, when talking about a dress code, would
Speaker 1: absolutely go, you're not gonna come like without close on
Speaker 1: our right and then her response of well no, although
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong, it's it's almost like she can't let anything.
Speaker 1: She couldn't just say no, I'm not She also had
Speaker 1: to say, but if I were going to there would
Speaker 1: be nothing wrong with it. She like has to also
Speaker 1: get her a little lesson, in which I also think
Speaker 1: is something a kid would like not be able to
Speaker 1: not express their opinion if they had one. UM So, no,
Speaker 1: it didn't. It didn't hunt me, And I think I
Speaker 1: get I think I get bumpd by those things like
Speaker 1: you do well, as like I think within the society
Speaker 1: that we're living in right now, everybody's very overly sensitive
Speaker 1: about everything, and so you're kind of double checking everything
Speaker 1: that was said and should it have been said and
Speaker 1: how it was said. And I think that I'm trying
Speaker 1: not to watch the show through those overly sensitive eyes.
Speaker 1: So there's times where I will in my heavy like
Speaker 1: that didn't sit right, and I'm like, I think that's
Speaker 1: just me, Like you're just reading into something because you're
Speaker 1: looking for something to kind of like be offended by,
Speaker 1: which is a new thing in our country. So wills
Speaker 1: like should I be offended? Am I offended? Afdi offended?
Speaker 1: Do I get to press the offensive button right now?
Speaker 1: And it's like, Okay, I don't. I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that I'm not I'm not doing that. I'm specifically
Speaker 1: not doing it well. And I I had a very
Speaker 1: similar thing when so Corey writes he comes into the class,
Speaker 1: he writes that his name is hey dude on the chalkboard,
Speaker 1: saying that that's his name. He tells everyone they can
Speaker 1: wear hats in class, they discard the dress code. Defendan
Speaker 1: wants to discard the dress code because she wants to
Speaker 1: wear garments from cultures more in tune with the Goddess.
Speaker 1: And the minute I said that, I remembered, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going to show up in a Sorry, I remember
Speaker 1: that that happened. And I had the same feelings of
Speaker 1: is this cultural appropriation? Is this something to Panga should
Speaker 1: not have been doing? And I was thinking about one
Speaker 1: of you know, cultural appropriation and what it really means,
Speaker 1: and it's, you know, it's ultimately adopting elements from other
Speaker 1: cultures without acknowledging that they are from other cultures and
Speaker 1: and not and kind of disregarding them or treating them
Speaker 1: like fashion statements. And so one of the things I
Speaker 1: came to, and it's not even in the scene, it's
Speaker 1: in the next classroom scene, but one of the things
Speaker 1: I thought is that this is really about to Pango respecting.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a yoga culture thing for her, and
Speaker 1: yoga did originate in India, and so she is wearing
Speaker 1: a traditional Indian attire and she is certainly respectful of it.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that the channeling has anything to do
Speaker 1: with yoga. I'm not sure, add but have to Panga
Speaker 1: make a funny sound. Yeah, exactly, that is exactly what
Speaker 1: that note was. But I also Will had the exact
Speaker 1: same feeling when it came to to Panga wearing. The
Speaker 1: story was like, am I doing something? Was Pana doing
Speaker 1: something wrong? Here? Is that something that she should not
Speaker 1: have been doing? Um? But we'll get to that in
Speaker 1: just a second. Corey's gives the same homework assignment Phoeney
Speaker 1: gave the night before. Minca says they already did that,
Speaker 1: and Corey tells Mancus to get a life, and again
Speaker 1: they treat him pretty harshly at time. Well, you know
Speaker 1: this is funny. Um uh. Indie did not want to
Speaker 1: be recorded for this episode. He wanted to take an
Speaker 1: episode off so we don't have too much shirts. But
Speaker 1: we watched it together. I said, you know, I know, no,
Speaker 1: I definitely wanted to give him permission to, like, you know,
Speaker 1: do the show or not based on how he feels.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, okay, well let's just watch
Speaker 1: it again. But he this was the first time because
Speaker 1: I've you know, in in previous episodes, I've talked about
Speaker 1: how like, I'm kind of mean to Mincus, don't you think?
Speaker 1: And he has not really acknowledged that until this episode
Speaker 1: when I told in this scene when I told Mincus
Speaker 1: to shut up, and that's just like the entire line, uh, Indie,
Speaker 1: and he was like, You're mean. Yeah, dude, That's what
Speaker 1: I've been saying. Don't you remember threw things at his
Speaker 1: head what? But yeah, I felt overly harsh in this episode. Finally, finally,
Speaker 1: Indie acknowledged that my character was being kind of mean. Well,
Speaker 1: and you know what's interesting about it is that this
Speaker 1: episode started with the three of you, Mincus, Corey, and
Speaker 1: Sean in the cafeteria, and the first thing Jensen and
Speaker 1: I thought when we watched it was, Wow, look at
Speaker 1: Mincas just being a friend hanging out through Yeah, the
Speaker 1: three of you guys are friends, and so it is
Speaker 1: interesting that then it seems like, depending on where you are,
Speaker 1: you know, if Mincus is out of the classroom. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's more of your friend when he's in the classroom.
Speaker 1: You guys are very mean to him. And it does
Speaker 1: feel like maybe it's a it's a competition thing about
Speaker 1: quote unquote intel leigence or or studious nous. He's always
Speaker 1: getting answered quiet and class. Yeah, he's getting answers right,
Speaker 1: he's paying attention, he's doing the homework. He's pointing out
Speaker 1: that you guys are not. And you guys are constantly
Speaker 1: telling him to shut up because he's making you look
Speaker 1: bad and or you think he's a nerd for caring,
Speaker 1: and he is telling you that you guys are going
Speaker 1: to grow up to be losers because you're not caring.
Speaker 1: So it is interesting the outside of the classroom setting,
Speaker 1: you guys seem to actually get along pretty well, but
Speaker 1: inside just also it could be and I doubt it's this.
Speaker 1: If it is, it's genius. If it is, then they
Speaker 1: were writing on a whole level that we never saw before.
Speaker 1: And I doubt it's this. Be prepared to be told
Speaker 1: that that is what it is. Of course that's what
Speaker 1: it was. But we all grew up and had friends
Speaker 1: that treated us one way when we were together in
Speaker 1: a completely another way. When we were around other people,
Speaker 1: everybody had those kind of friends where it was like,
Speaker 1: why are you so cool to me when it's just
Speaker 1: the two of us? Are the three of us together,
Speaker 1: but when there's five of us together, I'm the jerk
Speaker 1: and I'm the butt of every joke and blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and we like that was a very common thing. I know,
Speaker 1: I dealt with that all the time. I had two
Speaker 1: friends that were the coolest guys in the world when
Speaker 1: it was just the three of us, but when there
Speaker 1: was another person, there are more other people there, I
Speaker 1: was getting bullied. I was being made fun of, like
Speaker 1: it was bad. And that seems to be kind of
Speaker 1: a reoccurring thing with younger people. You always seem to
Speaker 1: find that are here about that where it's like, why
Speaker 1: am I your friend when it's just the two of us,
Speaker 1: But when there's a third person, I'm a jerk? And
Speaker 1: almost there was part of me that was like, wow,
Speaker 1: if they were writing on that level, I think it's
Speaker 1: more what I said. I think, yeah, I think you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right, But you're right, that is a thing that
Speaker 1: kids do. And so whether or not it was intentional,
Speaker 1: whether or not it was intentional. It makes sense. It
Speaker 1: is something that we've all experienced Marvel because it wasn't intentional,
Speaker 1: but if it was, you know, you write the writers
Speaker 1: would be like, of course it was intentional. Of course
Speaker 1: I was definitely thinking that was the Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I do think that, you know, in general, our show,
Speaker 1: while it is poking fun at the Topangas and the
Speaker 1: minkus is it's still including them. They're still central to
Speaker 1: the show and and strong, and and so the show
Speaker 1: is actually inviting even while it's pointing out like these
Speaker 1: people are weird, the show overall is inviting you to
Speaker 1: consider them and to include them and and to hear
Speaker 1: the pre v in a way that I definitely think
Speaker 1: other shows would not do that, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, I think that there are other shows
Speaker 1: that would take the easier joke and the same way
Speaker 1: we talked about with the Phoene character. You know, ultimately
Speaker 1: Boyme's World is an inclusive, respectful show. And that's so
Speaker 1: there is something to that, right, Like, so it sets
Speaker 1: up the nerd non you know, dynamic or whatever or
Speaker 1: weird girl we're out there new ag girl a dynamic
Speaker 1: and it plays it for the jokes, but ultimately they
Speaker 1: are India's favorite characters. That's what he he wants them
Speaker 1: to be a part of the show. That's what he's
Speaker 1: looking forward to, that that clash and that conversation. So ultimately,
Speaker 1: I think the show is pretty inclusive. Yeah. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think most of the people, especially when you're growing up,
Speaker 1: most kids aren't Corey. Most kids aren't the cool kid
Speaker 1: that has the awesome family that is, you know, friends
Speaker 1: with everybody. Most kids or some are like Nikus or
Speaker 1: they're like Topanga or I mean, they're different and they're
Speaker 1: trying to find their way. And also there's always somebody
Speaker 1: to kind of gravitate towards. That's why when I love
Speaker 1: when you read those letters at the beginning, Danielle, where
Speaker 1: there were kids that were watching the show that gravitated
Speaker 1: towards Phenie. Yeah, like the older teacher was the character
Speaker 1: that they loved the most. It's that's that's rare in
Speaker 1: TV when you get kids liking the sixty five year
Speaker 1: old teacher the best. Yeah. So that's uh, that is
Speaker 1: a credit to the writing and the acting. Of course.
Speaker 1: So we're back in the Matthews kitchen. Eric brings Morgan
Speaker 1: a Japanese lantern from Linda, and Morgan is so excited
Speaker 1: about it. Eric says he can't talk because he has
Speaker 1: to call Linda even though he just left her house.
Speaker 1: Corey comes home and says class was a total success.
Speaker 1: Alan asks how he taught the class, and Corey says
Speaker 1: he just skimmed the book, and Alan starts questioning the
Speaker 1: test and the grading system again. He's very worried about
Speaker 1: this bike that's on the line, and he ends up,
Speaker 1: you know, explaining to Corey that the way the test
Speaker 1: is gonna be great. It's going to be graded on
Speaker 1: a curve, and Mr Feeney, who wrote the test, is
Speaker 1: going to take the test, which means he's going to
Speaker 1: get a percent and everybody is going to be greeted
Speaker 1: against that. And suddenly Corey becomes a little more panicked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is an act break that Indie did not understand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: He's like, I just had to say, I Feenie's going
Speaker 1: to win the bet. Yeah, I just had to explain.
Speaker 1: He's like, what does that mean curve? Yeah, just all
Speaker 1: you need to know is look at Ben's face. That's
Speaker 1: enough of an act. Bright. Yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 1: teacher is really great on a curve in in junior
Speaker 1: high or high school today sort a thing I think,
Speaker 1: I think maybe I don't know, we don't know, idea. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: so we're back in Mr Feenie's classroom and the clothes
Speaker 1: in this scene, this is where I'm talking about. I
Speaker 1: did have that question of oh no, what is she
Speaker 1: wearing and then going through with whether or not I
Speaker 1: thought it was cultural appropriation or would we consider that today?
Speaker 1: And I don't really know. Um. I feel like, uh,
Speaker 1: it's ta panga embracing and in loving a culture and
Speaker 1: like I said, it being part of yoga culture more
Speaker 1: so than her trying to adopt traditional Indian culture. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm obviously I'm not the person it offends,
Speaker 1: so I'm not the person who should say whether or
Speaker 1: not it is offensive. But um, I remember that I
Speaker 1: thought the outfit was beautiful and I enjoyed being in it. Um.
Speaker 1: And then in my later years, like I did end
Speaker 1: up becoming super into yoga. I was like quite quite
Speaker 1: a yoga person, which is not something young. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: big time, I I did. I even taught yoga for
Speaker 1: a very short amount of times. Yeah, well, I didn't
Speaker 1: have like I don't have my yoga license or whatever.
Speaker 1: I basically went to this kind of I guess you
Speaker 1: can call it an untraditional yoga school because the teacher
Speaker 1: went out of town and he was going to be
Speaker 1: gone for like a week and he just was going
Speaker 1: to close this close the class. It was he was
Speaker 1: the only person who taught and he was just going
Speaker 1: to close the class down for a week. And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, that's such a bummer because I
Speaker 1: was going every single day, sometimes twice a day at
Speaker 1: this time. And he said, well, I mean, if you're interested,
Speaker 1: do you want to do you want to just run
Speaker 1: the class while I'm gone? And I was like sure.
Speaker 1: So I basically got to teach yoga a few times
Speaker 1: without any formal training. I basically just taught the class
Speaker 1: that I had remembered him teaching. So anyway, yeah, and
Speaker 1: there are people with back problems to this, people who
Speaker 1: were like, why is Topanga teaching yoga? Why don't work
Speaker 1: exactly if I harmed you and during please contact? Does
Speaker 1: yoga is a very interesting way of hiding doing about
Speaker 1: like sixty push ups that's all. Just tell me to
Speaker 1: do a push I wonder how I mean in yoga's
Speaker 1: pretty mainstream now, or at least in California. I don't
Speaker 1: know yoga, but back then in the nineties, and it
Speaker 1: still must have seemed like a pretty unusual you're right,
Speaker 1: you're right. Nineties for in America to be talking about
Speaker 1: yoga is not as common as it is now. Um okay.
Speaker 1: So Corey says he needs Shawn's help with the class
Speaker 1: to Penga moves her desk and she sits on a
Speaker 1: yoga cushion. Minkus is bouncing on a that's technically like
Speaker 1: a yoga ball. I think it's like a yoga it's
Speaker 1: like an exercise. No, it's a it's a that's a
Speaker 1: it's a toy when you're growing up. It's called Mr
Speaker 1: Bounty a bounty ball that you would ring other kids.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was one of those, like because
Speaker 1: people use those at their desks these days. Right, the
Speaker 1: handle makes it the toyse are just regular regular sitting balls,
Speaker 1: but when you have the handle, it's called like a
Speaker 1: bounty ball and Mr Bounce that Jensen producer Jensen if
Speaker 1: you could look it up, because that you would race.
Speaker 1: You'd each be on one and be like a line
Speaker 1: of kids like racing on the ball. I did not
Speaker 1: know that of paper airplanes and paper balls being thrown.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it does just not We we need to
Speaker 1: illustrate chaos, bring us one thing that I find very funny.
Speaker 1: And of course this is how it has to be
Speaker 1: because Corey is the star of the show. But this
Speaker 1: is now the second or third episode where to teach
Speaker 1: Corey a lesson the other kids to not learn anything,
Speaker 1: you know, or it's like, you're going to not learn
Speaker 1: anything and fail this week because we need Ben to
Speaker 1: learn a lesson. Well, even in the opening scene when
Speaker 1: Ben predicts what Phenie is going to do, he only
Speaker 1: talks to Mr I was like, well, what's up with
Speaker 1: Mr Hunter and Mr Minkus. Again, though this show is
Speaker 1: from Corey's probably just feels that way, But I thought
Speaker 1: that was so funny. You're all going to learn nothing
Speaker 1: because we need to teach Corey a lesson, or or
Speaker 1: that Phoenie is so all knowing that he knows that
Speaker 1: in the end it's still going to work out and
Speaker 1: everyone will learn learn even you know, he doesn't know how,
Speaker 1: but he knows that it that it will happen. So
Speaker 1: everyone's throwing the paper airplanes. Corey is glowing going through attendance.
Speaker 1: I am not sure why he starts with attendance at
Speaker 1: Lawrence to pangas name on this is to Pango Lawrence
Speaker 1: and uh. She says that she is channeling and and
Speaker 1: that she only answers to But I loved that. Um
Speaker 1: what I could hear. First of all, the scene had
Speaker 1: to have been pre taped. It wasn't probably done in
Speaker 1: front of the live studio audience because as writer mentioned,
Speaker 1: we needed to show chaos in the classroom, and so
Speaker 1: with the bouncy ball and the moving of the desk
Speaker 1: and the yoga cushion in the plane, there were probably
Speaker 1: going to be a lot of resets and moving parts
Speaker 1: that we wouldn't have taken the time to do this
Speaker 1: in front of the live studio audience. And when I
Speaker 1: do the channeling sound that I will answer to, you
Speaker 1: can hear the laughter that isn't canned audience laughter. It's
Speaker 1: that act producers and writers, and it was was a
Speaker 1: big laugh. And I don't remember the process of getting
Speaker 1: there or if this was the first time I did it,
Speaker 1: and that's what you know who. I don't remember if
Speaker 1: it was something that like they kept having to ask
Speaker 1: me to do differently and then we finally got here,
Speaker 1: or if this was the first time I did it
Speaker 1: and that's what came out. But Ben's reaction feels very real,
Speaker 1: like when it cuts to him and you can tell
Speaker 1: Telly takes an extra beat, like he's sort of taken
Speaker 1: aback by what you've just done. It's great. I think
Speaker 1: it was. I think it was probably the first time
Speaker 1: you did it, and something might have must have been different,
Speaker 1: you know, they might have had a line there that
Speaker 1: was different. And then it was like, oh, try this exactly.
Speaker 1: This was either an alt that yeah, because that can
Speaker 1: go a million ways, right, I only answer too and
Speaker 1: you insert funny names and Patrick, right, there's a million
Speaker 1: ways for that joke to work. But for you to
Speaker 1: just do this weird crowd cat thing it was. It
Speaker 1: was really fun. Um And then Phoenie shows up and
Speaker 1: he's wearing a full Phillies outfit. So he's wearing his
Speaker 1: full Phillies outfit. He sits down to play cards with Sean.
Speaker 1: He says, hey, dude, and I loved writer watching you
Speaker 1: interact with Bill this way. It was great fun. I
Speaker 1: remember doing this. I remembered the line like the second
Speaker 1: this episode started, I was like, oh, I have a
Speaker 1: line of what role aids I remember? So I definitely
Speaker 1: remember like playing poker, and you can tell I'm like
Speaker 1: really into playing the cards, like later on when I'm
Speaker 1: laying out the cards. Yeah, it was fun. So then
Speaker 1: we're back in the Matthews living room. Corey is reading
Speaker 1: a book for class. He tells Alan no one is
Speaker 1: listening to him, and Alan says he needs to be
Speaker 1: more authoritative. Eric then comes home with Linda, who is
Speaker 1: crying and obviously very upset. Morgan runs over to Linda,
Speaker 1: sees that she's crying, asks what's wrong, and Eric says
Speaker 1: that a jerk at the mall called her a bad name. Now,
Speaker 1: Corey is shocked that this happened at their own mall,
Speaker 1: And this is the moment for me where I thought
Speaker 1: it needed to be more clear when he says, at
Speaker 1: our mall, it needed to be more clear what the
Speaker 1: jerk called her, because it should not be surprising to
Speaker 1: anyone anywhere there that they're a jerk in public at
Speaker 1: the ball, Like a jerk alone should not be shocking,
Speaker 1: but a racist jerk to a kid could definitely feel
Speaker 1: like Because the point of that. The point of him
Speaker 1: asking today and now is that he has already established
Speaker 1: that prejudice is something of the past. He said that,
Speaker 1: you know that what we learned about in history, he
Speaker 1: says it to Alan in that scene, like prejudice, when
Speaker 1: we used to have prejudice or whatever. And that's a
Speaker 1: really important point, you know, Like I think that that's
Speaker 1: that is the way a lot of kids think about
Speaker 1: what they're learning in school and these kinds of issues,
Speaker 1: especially in the nineties, like we all lived in a
Speaker 1: naive time when it felt like racism was of the past.
Speaker 1: These we we've overcome all this thanks thanks to civil
Speaker 1: rights in the sixties, We've we've solved all that problem,
Speaker 1: right exact. I do think that that was the prevailing mentality,
Speaker 1: you know, for most of us. And but so it's
Speaker 1: really important that that that that Corey understand what was
Speaker 1: said by that jerk, and it's you're right, it's a
Speaker 1: missed opportunity. Um, it's a missed opportunity for it to
Speaker 1: be a little bit more clear. And you're probably right
Speaker 1: that it was a network note that they didn't want
Speaker 1: to say the word um, and he didn't say the
Speaker 1: word in this scene. He said the word in the
Speaker 1: in the classroom, that's remember so, But but it could
Speaker 1: have been I think it could have been clearer in
Speaker 1: this scene. There's a way to say, you know, you
Speaker 1: know it was a racist jerk, jerk said something really
Speaker 1: awfully on racist. Um um, Yeah, leaving an ambiguous is
Speaker 1: a little tricky. I just want to add, uh, did
Speaker 1: you notice that they come in from outside in coats
Speaker 1: and talk about how chilly it was? Which made me
Speaker 1: think about remember how I talked I said on that
Speaker 1: other episodes like, I don't remember ever referencing Philly and
Speaker 1: the weather, but we did. We clearly, I told you,
Speaker 1: and I told you I know for sure, because I
Speaker 1: can't act in a coat. Yes, and so I forgot
Speaker 1: all that. But the second I thought it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is cool, a little reference to okay, like they're
Speaker 1: being a city and a life. I forgot, hate, hate,
Speaker 1: hate to bring this up, but I'm gonna wouldn't it
Speaker 1: make sense that Amy and Morgan were playing in the backyard,
Speaker 1: and if they were, they came in the back door?
Speaker 1: Where does she say they were? She doesn't, But I'm
Speaker 1: saying who goes and plays in the side yard? I
Speaker 1: mean she they come in that door with their jackets
Speaker 1: on like it's cold. So they're not coming from the driveway,
Speaker 1: which we've already established with Rue McClanahan. Why are they
Speaker 1: not coming through the driveway. What if they were at
Speaker 1: the grocery store or what if they had just been
Speaker 1: a But what know, what I'm saying is if you
Speaker 1: come from the driveway. We established with Rue McClanahan that
Speaker 1: if you came from the driveway, because Phoene comes in
Speaker 1: and says, you just ran over my flowers and the driveway,
Speaker 1: you came in the kitchen door. So they weren't coming
Speaker 1: from the driveway unless they decided to bypass the door.
Speaker 1: That's easy and walk all the way to the side
Speaker 1: of the house. Well, the front we've seen the front
Speaker 1: of the house on the studio O City Colfax house.
Speaker 1: We've seen it. That is definitely the front door, red door,
Speaker 1: red front door. Okay, and then they I don't know
Speaker 1: where the driveway is in that scenario, but I don't
Speaker 1: none None of it made one comes to that's the door.
Speaker 1: Everyone comes to to knock on the door, the front door.
Speaker 1: You are team sideyard, I am, I am team. It
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense yard, and that both are kind
Speaker 1: of like they just keep switching, so it's like will
Speaker 1: nothing makes any sense? The continuity here is not ready
Speaker 1: established that I am firmly team backyard. I also think
Speaker 1: in the script it said back yard, where do you
Speaker 1: think they're coming from? Then I'm curious when they walk
Speaker 1: in the back and say it's cold, where in your
Speaker 1: mind are at what we're Amyen and Morgan doing. Income
Speaker 1: They've come in the front door, right, that's where they
Speaker 1: come in with them from that door in the French door.
Speaker 1: What I'm asking where wherever the director needed them too
Speaker 1: to keep because they can't have walked in the same
Speaker 1: door that you and lindsay walk in, because that mean
Speaker 1: that they were like right behind you, behind you, right,
Speaker 1: So let's give them another entrance. Oh and by the way,
Speaker 1: we'll put them coming from the kitchen. I'm just going
Speaker 1: to keep bringing this up because I please let us
Speaker 1: know if your team sideyard or team backyard. We really
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gathering enough people for the teams We're
Speaker 1: gonna have to so as I said. Eric Has says
Speaker 1: that there said that there was a jerk at the
Speaker 1: mall who called her a bad name, and Corey is
Speaker 1: shocked that there happened, that this happened in their own mall,
Speaker 1: well do you like, what do you remember about this
Speaker 1: scene and Lindsay needing to cry and what was that process? Like?
Speaker 1: I remember sitting there as a young actor and realizing
Speaker 1: we talked about this the beginning, just how on a
Speaker 1: different level as an actor she was than I was.
Speaker 1: I wasn't comparing to anybody else, just me, and it
Speaker 1: was like we were playing two completely different games. Uh.
Speaker 1: So we're sitting out there and you know, you're there's
Speaker 1: an audience there by this point, you you know you're
Speaker 1: into the show, there's stuff going on. You're not in
Speaker 1: the back, you know, sitting in your trailer, your dressing
Speaker 1: room preparing for a scene. You're just in the moment.
Speaker 1: You're doing what you had to do. And she could
Speaker 1: turn it on so fast that we would sit there
Speaker 1: and we were waiting for our queue. She would turn
Speaker 1: and walk away from me. She'd come back, she'd walk away,
Speaker 1: she'd come back. By the second or third time, she
Speaker 1: was bawling, I mean tears dripping down her face, bawling,
Speaker 1: and so in the moment that you wanted to go
Speaker 1: and put your arms around her, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: are you okay? What can I do to help? It
Speaker 1: was such a lesson for me in acting that. It
Speaker 1: was I will never forget that moment of just watching
Speaker 1: something that was so visceral and so pure and she
Speaker 1: got there so fat that it was amazing to me.
Speaker 1: Was she I wonder what it was like during the
Speaker 1: week when you guys rehearsing. Remember I want to say
Speaker 1: she cried during the run throughs too, especially the network, right,
Speaker 1: she could just turn it on. Yeah, it was such
Speaker 1: a cool skill. My my wife can do that. She's
Speaker 1: always been that immediately like that, Oh yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a it's a running joke in our house that
Speaker 1: if she has an audition where she has to cry,
Speaker 1: she's going to get the part because she nails it.
Speaker 1: It's insane. And it was funny when we first started
Speaker 1: dating because she cries in life that easily too. Like
Speaker 1: if any any conflict, any emotion happens, the tears, the snot,
Speaker 1: it's like all there, it's just immediately. And I remember
Speaker 1: when we first started dating, you know, because previous relationships,
Speaker 1: when somebody cries, it's like, oh, there's something wrong here.
Speaker 1: We need to like, let's let's take a moment you're
Speaker 1: having an emotional reaction. That's taking it to a new level.
Speaker 1: And with Alex I had to be like, oh no, no,
Speaker 1: that's just every day like you just cry, you just
Speaker 1: and it's always on. She's always just on the verge
Speaker 1: of tears, you know, like it's right there. And it's
Speaker 1: an amazing um tool as an actor if you can
Speaker 1: have if you can do that, if you can really
Speaker 1: produce the liquid and be that quick, it's it's incredible.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean obviously Lindsay has that skill because
Speaker 1: you see it in the scene. It's it feels real.
Speaker 1: It suddenly hasn't an edge to the scene that doesn't
Speaker 1: feel typical for a sitcom, and it's it's not fake tears.
Speaker 1: It is somebody there and she got there instantaneously. It
Speaker 1: was not I remember when I uh, one of the
Speaker 1: first jobs I ever had was a really bad cop
Speaker 1: show that we shot in New York City called True Blue,
Speaker 1: and it was just that. But the episode that I did, um,
Speaker 1: you know, random happenstance, whatever happens. But then I had
Speaker 1: to cry and I could kind of do it, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't great. It didn't look good. So they literally
Speaker 1: had this menthol thing that they would blow into your
Speaker 1: eyes and that would make you tear up and cry.
Speaker 1: And the second time she did it, a little piece
Speaker 1: of the menthol inside broke off and shot into my eye.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. And it was one of those things where
Speaker 1: it was then like having to flush my eye out
Speaker 1: and do all this stuff. But it was I remember
Speaker 1: just thinking right as she made herself cry, like, man,
Speaker 1: they don't have to blow anything in there. It was.
Speaker 1: It was such a lesson for me and just how
Speaker 1: I was not to that level yet or maybe ever.
Speaker 1: It's a separate skill. For sure, I think it's I
Speaker 1: think it's a unique skill. And I also don't think
Speaker 1: there's any shame and actors using menthol I totally fair game,
Speaker 1: because I would rather like. What I can't stand is
Speaker 1: watching actors try and produce tears when they can't stare
Speaker 1: acting blink acting where it's like you're trying to get
Speaker 1: that one tire to Tom Cruise trying to cry in
Speaker 1: every movie where Tom Cruise has to cry. It's like
Speaker 1: the worst thing to have to watch. It's like, dude,
Speaker 1: just I don't care, Like blow whatever, put whatever you
Speaker 1: need to, let's cut, you know, give yourself. They're doing
Speaker 1: some of them digital now they're literally real, digitally digital tears.
Speaker 1: Which there's also that acting thing I love the like
Speaker 1: the single tear, you know, like, I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: I had to do in the Jack Harlow music video. Guys,
Speaker 1: That's what I had to do for that. Did you cry?
Speaker 1: Did you cry cry? I did? I really no? I
Speaker 1: really no, No, I really cried. But I've I've always
Speaker 1: been able to cry, but it used to be a
Speaker 1: lot harder for me to get there. And now that
Speaker 1: I have children, I can make myself cry over anything,
Speaker 1: just a single thought about a child or somebody else's child,
Speaker 1: anything that pertains my emotions. I am a raw nerve
Speaker 1: after having children. And I need to see the Sarah
Speaker 1: McLaughlin video with the dogs and oh yeah, just even
Speaker 1: picture that. And it's and it's over. So Corey shows
Speaker 1: up to the classroom and he's dressed in his amazing suit,
Speaker 1: the green suit that I love from the geography tournament.
Speaker 1: He asks for mincass help, but Mincas says, why should
Speaker 1: he help? You know, Corey, you're always making fun of
Speaker 1: Mr Finie you're on your own. And Corey then walks
Speaker 1: up to the front of the class. But before I
Speaker 1: get to what he says in the front of the class,
Speaker 1: can we discuss I know what's going on? Meat loaf,
Speaker 1: meat loaf? What double about double meat loaf, double meat loaf,
Speaker 1: meat loaf times too meat loaf, sweatshirt meat Phoenie, what
Speaker 1: is happening? I don't understand the reference because before bad
Speaker 1: out of hell to write like because I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think like what meat Loaf had his moment in the nineties,
Speaker 1: but that was after this. That was was like the
Speaker 1: late seven years. So what are you going to say
Speaker 1: that Phoenie thinks that Corey or something that any of
Speaker 1: the kids are meat Loaf fans? Is that what he thinks,
Speaker 1: like the kids were into I don't give kids in
Speaker 1: their meat loaf music. I'll never understand. We will post
Speaker 1: a picture of Bill in this meat loaf double meat
Speaker 1: loaf hat and sweatshirt. So our producer Jensen sent me
Speaker 1: a photo that he took. You guys were watching it,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was photoshopped because I remembered him
Speaker 1: wearing of Phillies outfit and it looks like a Phillies outfit.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, somebody photoshop meat loaf into onto
Speaker 1: Mr Fienie and it was like, no, no, no, that's
Speaker 1: actually what he wears. Yeah, he took the picture from
Speaker 1: our TV stream and Jenson was laughing so hard and
Speaker 1: he goes, he goes to be clear, Both of your
Speaker 1: co stars thought it was photoshop, Like, I mean, how
Speaker 1: could we not look me this? So what is it?
Speaker 1: What I mean? Was meat loaf popular or did did
Speaker 1: we get meat loaf clearance? Was? That's what I'm wondering.
Speaker 1: It's like the one band that was like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: go ahead use you can use meat loaf like now
Speaker 1: you can't use anything else, Just go use meat Loaf
Speaker 1: like you can't use Nirvana, or because it's kind of funny,
Speaker 1: like you know, just welve year old watching the show
Speaker 1: are like, man, oh great, meat nailed that meat loaf joke.
Speaker 1: I don't know, guys, but I I only want to
Speaker 1: call him meat Foenie from now on. I I love it.
Speaker 1: I also love I also love going back to what
Speaker 1: you said about mink Is very quickly. I love that
Speaker 1: he wouldn't help Corey, not because core he always made
Speaker 1: fun of him. I know, but because he was always
Speaker 1: making fun of Phoenie, who was almost why it didn't
Speaker 1: make sense to me. I was like, wait, you're not
Speaker 1: going to say why would I help you? You never
Speaker 1: help me with anything? His whole point. I guess he's
Speaker 1: going back to the opening scene. He's so protective of Phoene,
Speaker 1: which is very cute. He's like, no, you never helped
Speaker 1: the other teacher. I guess that's it. You never help
Speaker 1: the teacher, never gets any help from you. Why would
Speaker 1: he now, as the teacher, get any help from me? Um.
Speaker 1: But I don't know how anybody in the scene could
Speaker 1: possibly pay attention to anything other than I don't know
Speaker 1: how I got this scene through. It was so distracting
Speaker 1: to me, and it's such a great scene, and yet
Speaker 1: I was like, met Loaf, met Peenie. Um, okay. So
Speaker 1: Corey then walks up to the front of the class
Speaker 1: and he talks about how prejudice is still happening in
Speaker 1: today's world. He tells the story of Linda crying in
Speaker 1: their living room and Corey is talking and he's trying
Speaker 1: to get a word in edgeways, but nobody's paying any
Speaker 1: attention to him. The Wholenes bouncing on ball, yoga ing
Speaker 1: um and uh, only Phoene is really paying attention to
Speaker 1: what he is saying. As Corey is about to walk
Speaker 1: out of the classroom, he says, you know, I give
Speaker 1: up your right. You win. And as he's about to
Speaker 1: walk out, he turns around to ask Sean what his
Speaker 1: mom's name was before she got married, and then he
Speaker 1: calls Sean a racial or a derogatory term, and and
Speaker 1: that stayed in and that stayed in the episode, unlike
Speaker 1: the other term that was cut from the So the
Speaker 1: original line, I think, almost verbatim, was something like until
Speaker 1: my brother came home with his girl, came home with
Speaker 1: his new girlfriend who was crying because some jerk called
Speaker 1: her a G word at them, all right, that was
Speaker 1: the line, and I remember me too. And then mispronounced
Speaker 1: the word at at the table read and they took
Speaker 1: it out, and I think you're right it And but
Speaker 1: I'm so curious, So do you think that do you
Speaker 1: think that that that's actually where they wrote in the
Speaker 1: anti semitism semitas semitism joke. I wonder if that was
Speaker 1: inspired by the fact that Ben actually did mispronounce the
Speaker 1: G word and therefore because that it's it's a really
Speaker 1: nice moment with the semitism semitism. I was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: I wonder what came first, you know, but we don't
Speaker 1: all remember Ben mispronouncing the word and the writers being
Speaker 1: very happy that he, Like I remember the adults being like,
Speaker 1: that's cool that Ben doesn't know this word. I didn't either,
Speaker 1: you know, I remember. Yeah, it's so fascinating. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what, that's a really good point, writer. And I
Speaker 1: would not be surprised if that's exactly why, because I
Speaker 1: do remember, And why did we know that? Why do
Speaker 1: we Why do we remember? Because I remember so clearly
Speaker 1: the adults saying and and reacting to it's actually great
Speaker 1: that he's that he doesn't know how to say this
Speaker 1: word and that he doesn't know it. And sure Michael
Speaker 1: made a speech about it. Yeah, sure Michael took took
Speaker 1: a note session or took a moment to like, you know,
Speaker 1: give us all this like lecture about how awesome this is,
Speaker 1: which it is. It was awesome. Yeah, okay, because you're right,
Speaker 1: that is a really good moment where he mispronounces anti
Speaker 1: semitism and Phoenie corrects him. Sean gets offended by the
Speaker 1: term that Corey has just called him. He gets up,
Speaker 1: he gets into his face, and and Corey is trying
Speaker 1: to prove a point related to Anne Frank And now
Speaker 1: suddenly everyone in the class kind of stops what they're
Speaker 1: doing and turns and pays attention. And nine ft tall writer,
Speaker 1: when you stand next to Corey, I was a I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my towering over him. Yeah, better late than never. Never.
Speaker 1: Those balls are called monster balls or hopper ball. Okay,
Speaker 1: there we go, all right, so that's what those That's
Speaker 1: what those those balls were. So we continue on in
Speaker 1: Mr Phenie's classroom after our break. Phoenie is grating, he's
Speaker 1: grading papers, and he says that some people and I
Speaker 1: just wanted to comment on how good that scene is,
Speaker 1: but I mean, it's it's it's it's heavy handed, but
Speaker 1: I think correctly so, and I think that for watching
Speaker 1: it with Indie, there was a real change of temperature
Speaker 1: in the room and Indie kept checking with me, like,
Speaker 1: what's happening is this okay? He sas okay, that that
Speaker 1: that you're going to fight Corey or that Corey's going
Speaker 1: to be you know, it was like the tone completely
Speaker 1: drops and changes into a different mode, and it was
Speaker 1: that sort of boy Meats World special sauce, you know,
Speaker 1: where I was like watching my son, realized something really
Speaker 1: important was going on and that Corey was doing something
Speaker 1: really is and and he wanted to know about Anne Frank,
Speaker 1: you know, he wanted to He was like, wait, who died?
Speaker 1: Who died? But when Ben says that, you know, a
Speaker 1: fifteen year old girl died, He's like, what he died?
Speaker 1: And I was like, keep just keep watching, buddy, and
Speaker 1: then sure enough he's like, this girl who wrote this
Speaker 1: book died, and uh yeah, so I think it was incorrect.
Speaker 1: It's an incredibly effective you know, because the the high
Speaker 1: jinks right of swapping with the teacher I'm going to teach,
Speaker 1: it's a It is the most sitcomy situation, right. It
Speaker 1: is like, oh, the kid's gonna teach, the teacher is
Speaker 1: gonna be wearing meatloaf, ha ha. And then to really
Speaker 1: pull the rug out from under the audience and to
Speaker 1: deliver this incredible speech, it is wonderful. And and I
Speaker 1: also just I appreciate that there's two speeches, right, like
Speaker 1: Ben tries, Corey tries and fails. And I think there
Speaker 1: was a point when he's walking out of the class
Speaker 1: where he's like, Okay, I give up. You win. I
Speaker 1: thought for a moment like, was that is that going
Speaker 1: to be the end of the scene, Like you could
Speaker 1: just end the scene there, like Corey learned his lesson,
Speaker 1: you know, right, But instead to have this extra speech,
Speaker 1: there's other speech where he goes again, he makes it
Speaker 1: personal to Sean and then gets up that that was beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's like a really effective moment. It's heavy handed,
Speaker 1: like I said, and you know, we can argue whether
Speaker 1: you know, a sitcom should be addressed in things like this,
Speaker 1: but I I found it incredibly effective and and I
Speaker 1: could tell India was really rattled by it in a
Speaker 1: good way. I think that one of the lines that
Speaker 1: I loved more than anything else in the episode was
Speaker 1: when Corey says, the problem is that when when I
Speaker 1: said that term that I shouldn't have said, the problem
Speaker 1: is that only one person jumped up? Yeah, because that
Speaker 1: everyone should have jumped up, because that really is certainly,
Speaker 1: I mean, that was the lesson that we were trying
Speaker 1: to teach with poem It's world. And yet think of
Speaker 1: how much in the last several years, especially the dialogue
Speaker 1: has been it isn't enough to just be you know,
Speaker 1: not to just not be racist yourself, because you actually
Speaker 1: have to go above and beyond that. You have to
Speaker 1: actually be aggressively anti racist, and you should if you
Speaker 1: see it happening to somebody else, it doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: it's not affecting you. That needs to be a problem
Speaker 1: to you. And yet here that was exactly the lesson
Speaker 1: in the classroom that I just said something, and the
Speaker 1: only person who jumped up was the one person I
Speaker 1: said it too, as opposed to everybody saying, how dare
Speaker 1: you say that? We don't say that here? That's not right. Um.
Speaker 1: And so that's the line that really likes stuck out
Speaker 1: to me the most about the scene, as I just
Speaker 1: thought it was such a poignant lesson for a show
Speaker 1: in beginning trying to get across to kids and families. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: it's not just that, it's also there's times and we
Speaker 1: we dealt with this a lot in the nineties. You know,
Speaker 1: we're younger, and you don't you also at times don't
Speaker 1: realize that you can be part of the problem. And
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that Trina brought up and
Speaker 1: has talked about and that we have all discussed with
Speaker 1: her and I can't wait to actually have a deeper
Speaker 1: conversation with her about it, but not really know for myself,
Speaker 1: not realizing that, you know, I had said stupid and
Speaker 1: sensitive things at times, thinking that I wasn't doing anything wrong,
Speaker 1: and that was kind of par for the course at
Speaker 1: the time. You just didn't know. You thought you were
Speaker 1: having a total conversation with a good friend, or you
Speaker 1: thought you were making a joke, or you thought you
Speaker 1: were doing something that had no racial undertones whatsoever, until
Speaker 1: then somebody sits you down and goes like, no, you
Speaker 1: we got to talk about this, which we did, and
Speaker 1: we're going to again because I know she's coming on soon.
Speaker 1: But we couldn't have this conversation without mentioning that. I think,
Speaker 1: because it was important, we should also mention. It's a
Speaker 1: great time to mention this was a very white cast
Speaker 1: very white caste and white writing staff and staff right right,
Speaker 1: white everything white, everything we had it was not. It
Speaker 1: was not a racially diverse set in any way, shape
Speaker 1: or for correct um and that all that stuff matters.
Speaker 1: So this is, you know, these are things that we
Speaker 1: it was. There's the the interesting kind of of balance
Speaker 1: between addressing certain problems on the show that weren't actually
Speaker 1: being addressed on the show. Yes, makes sense, so um,
Speaker 1: you know, addressing them societally without really also looking at
Speaker 1: our our actual environment or ourselves or any of that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And so I'm you know, I can't
Speaker 1: wait to have Trina on the show because well, we
Speaker 1: we we have We've talked about the we've talked about
Speaker 1: the death chair, and we've talked about it as kind
Speaker 1: of a joke, but the truth was also they were
Speaker 1: trying to diversify the show. They were the main reason
Speaker 1: the death chair existed was was because we wanted to
Speaker 1: have a non white best friend for Corey. I remember
Speaker 1: that that was expressly. You know, we went through multiple
Speaker 1: black young actors, um and obviously it didn't happen, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, not great. It would have been nice, would
Speaker 1: have been nice to have a little more diversity in
Speaker 1: that cast, and that didn't happen until Trina. Until Trina,
Speaker 1: which was even five. I can't wait to talk with Trina.
Speaker 1: We will talk in depth with her, and she'll be
Speaker 1: coming up in a in a few weeks. So I
Speaker 1: can't wait to get to that. Um Phoene grades the
Speaker 1: papers and says that some people still failed the test,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people did well. Sean actually got
Speaker 1: a full grade higher than he normally does. He got
Speaker 1: to be and I thought. The first thing I thought
Speaker 1: was it's very inappropriate for you to be sharing his grade,
Speaker 1: even his best friend. The third time that's happened for
Speaker 1: me too, he'll be like, well, you know that one
Speaker 1: episode was like, well Mr Johnson got an f like, wow,
Speaker 1: why do you getting sharing that, Phoeny? That's funny that.
Speaker 1: I was like, that isn't you know? It's a good thing.
Speaker 1: I thought, No, all you have to do is throw
Speaker 1: out a racial slur and gets better. Great, yeah, and
Speaker 1: do it every week. But that's what we addressed this slightly.
Speaker 1: But why was that racial slur? Okay? But the other
Speaker 1: one was cut? I don't know. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: well that gets into this tricky like degrees of whiteness, right,
Speaker 1: like is that what it is? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, yes, if a hundred hundred years ago, being
Speaker 1: Italian was non white nowadays, you know, then at some
Speaker 1: point it sort of got included into whiteness, right, Like
Speaker 1: I remember when when we were kids, Like at this age,
Speaker 1: Polish jokes were popular. Right now you wouldn't and that
Speaker 1: was like acceptable to say Polish jokes. And in retrospect
Speaker 1: like what what is so here? That? What what accounts is?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, it's America's tricky, guys, America's tricky do
Speaker 1: you remember now? Ales to say it could also have
Speaker 1: been a network thing from the standpoint of one is
Speaker 1: very obviously used as a teachable moment. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that it is, whether that's I'm not saying that's a
Speaker 1: correct way to look at it or not. But one
Speaker 1: he would have just said by throwing it out there
Speaker 1: to tell people that that's what someone was called, and
Speaker 1: the other one was used very pointedly to deliver the
Speaker 1: message about how wrong it was. So I wonder if
Speaker 1: there was some varying degrees of will only allow this
Speaker 1: word in this moment because everyone is going to acknowledge
Speaker 1: how wrong it is right in the moment, instead of
Speaker 1: saying it without really making a big teachable moment out
Speaker 1: of it. So that could have been there to react
Speaker 1: to it. Where Lindsay's character was not there for her side,
Speaker 1: maybe that has something to do with it. Where It's
Speaker 1: like Sean could be the audience sur get there where
Speaker 1: you gets to step up and actually address it directly,
Speaker 1: where Lindsey's character never did. So maybe that had something
Speaker 1: to do with it too. Quite possibly so uh Pheeny
Speaker 1: says that Corey got a great grade as well, even
Speaker 1: though he didn't take the test, but he actually read
Speaker 1: the book, and so we get the that great little
Speaker 1: lesson here that everyone learned. Um. And then we are
Speaker 1: back in the Matthews living room. Eric walks in and
Speaker 1: says he has a date with a cheerleader. Amy says
Speaker 1: she really liked Linda. Why why are you not still
Speaker 1: dating Linda? And um. Eric says, Linda is the cheerleader
Speaker 1: and she made the squad. Amy says she used to
Speaker 1: be a cheerleader and she gets up to do her
Speaker 1: her cheer and this is really the first, like Amy,
Speaker 1: Betsy Shose yet to do a bit. I totally did
Speaker 1: not remember this. I remember, I remembered it the minute
Speaker 1: it's really ill and then remember comes into the outfit
Speaker 1: was like, what how do I not remember this? I
Speaker 1: actually remembered the the actual words to it, and before
Speaker 1: it happened, I turned to my wife and I was
Speaker 1: like it's bobo. Don't like I knew some of it.
Speaker 1: I remembered it very well. It was very salient to
Speaker 1: me for some reason. And Eric says that her cheer
Speaker 1: is cute, dated, but cute. And Linda walks in, she's
Speaker 1: in her uniform, and Eric says, all right, show my
Speaker 1: mom what they're doing these days. And Linda does her cheer, which,
Speaker 1: of course, very funny, is the exact same cheer that
Speaker 1: Amy had just done, and Eric calls her cheer cutting
Speaker 1: edge and love this. Indy was like, it's the same
Speaker 1: and he was like, what is cutting edge? Me immediately,
Speaker 1: what is cutting edge? Are you in this scene? I
Speaker 1: wrote down a will is channeling Michael J. Fox. The
Speaker 1: look on your face at the end when you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's cutting edge and then you're like giving you It
Speaker 1: was such Michael J. Fox caught in an awkward moment.
Speaker 1: It was I was like, wow, this is so funny,
Speaker 1: Like I could see because you definitely looked up to
Speaker 1: Michael J. Foxy, He's like the gold standard of teen
Speaker 1: and you. I was like, oh, he even sounds like it.
Speaker 1: He looks like it. Michael J. Fox beat. It was
Speaker 1: that I remember thinking I can't remember when we shot this, Like,
Speaker 1: I can't remember if we shot this before the audience,
Speaker 1: this would have been after the audience left, because but
Speaker 1: then yeah, sixteen, so you could have stayed an extra hour.
Speaker 1: But I remember thinking, that's why I don't remember it,
Speaker 1: probably when Lindsay went from crying scene to hey, great scene,
Speaker 1: Now get into your cheerleading outfit and come do that,
Speaker 1: like Okay, now we're going to clean up your makeup
Speaker 1: and clean up the face again, and now you're happy cheerleader.
Speaker 1: Like wow, that was that might have been half an
Speaker 1: hour later, an hour later that we did. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Well, I mean, what a great episode. Um,
Speaker 1: great job all round everybody. Oh. I also forgot to
Speaker 1: mention this is such a silly little thing. And I
Speaker 1: keep talking so much about the clothes. But the first
Speaker 1: time we see Topanga in the classroom, she's also wearing
Speaker 1: the same dress she was wearing in the kiss scene
Speaker 1: in the hallway, that purple laced, and then in this
Speaker 1: scene in the script, Ben is wearing the same suit.
Speaker 1: And I thought, at some point we definitely hit where
Speaker 1: we never rewore outfits, Like if you wore something once,
Speaker 1: I rewore outfits all the time. Really people people point
Speaker 1: out people like have tweeted at me or whatever like
Speaker 1: all of this, like what's up with this shirt? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, I remember wearing that shirt multiple times.
Speaker 1: Like I always rewar outfits constantly. I just want Bill
Speaker 1: to rewear his meat loaf shirt. I would do anything
Speaker 1: for that. You know what, Let's make a meat Foenie shirt.
Speaker 1: Let's do it meat Foenie. We'll just off it for
Speaker 1: a week. Every we come up with another shirt every
Speaker 1: much shirts. You know, there's also a you know a
Speaker 1: shirt that's out there that's Bill. It's Mr Feenie with
Speaker 1: his arms cross and it says I was just hanging
Speaker 1: with my homies. That's like a famous shirt and that
Speaker 1: comes from this episode where he right, I'm just hanging
Speaker 1: with my homies. Yeah. Yeah, So I was like, where
Speaker 1: that's from. That's where that's from. That's cute. Well good,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I know that now because I have seen
Speaker 1: that shirt and didn't know where it was from. So
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