Speaker 1: The reason why is because hip hop is a culture.
Speaker 1: It's not a music. You know, I'm saying, rappers the music.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the what hip hop questions, legends and list
Speaker 1: My name is now list Simon and I am Mouse,
Speaker 1: Jones k the Man and put the Juxson juxtaposition. This
Speaker 1: week we're getting back to our questions and lists and
Speaker 1: we're definitely gonna name some legends today. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about top hip hop producers of all time. That's right now,
Speaker 1: left and with no further Dude, he's already shook the room.
Speaker 1: We have leg you Brooklyn claud ja and producer And
Speaker 1: like I said, sneaker ficionado. Yeah, I don't even know
Speaker 1: which one you're more famous for, the sneakers or the
Speaker 1: you gotta ad. Look, I don't even think so which
Speaker 1: one is better at, which one he needs more things,
Speaker 1: which one he's better at, He's equally great at all three,
Speaker 1: Like I think to like dis honestly, like, I don't
Speaker 1: think people understand eight seven sneakers like eighty seven by
Speaker 1: the way, I don't think people understand that the fight
Speaker 1: that I was willing to fight to get my head
Speaker 1: on those on those or those ones like yo, those
Speaker 1: one one twos I had had, Like that was the
Speaker 1: first time I ordered anything from the first time the
Speaker 1: first time. At least you got him, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: think people understand that, Like the first time I had
Speaker 1: to go and I was like, not authenticate. I don't
Speaker 1: want to make sure I'm not getting guy. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be I don't wanna be prejudiced.
Speaker 1: But no, welcome to the what I question to be
Speaker 1: here because I'm honored to be asked to do things
Speaker 1: like this in a time like this, So I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: It's an honor to it's honor to have you agreed. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're so hype. It was like literally like ran like
Speaker 1: my dad was like, I'm like, yeah, so it's a
Speaker 1: it's a listen. I was happy enough just knowing that
Speaker 1: you knew who I was, So come on mouse. After that,
Speaker 1: Mouse is making a name for himself in the streets.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen now they're quite aware. But um, I
Speaker 1: know you recently. I would like to say, I only
Speaker 1: know about the good stuff. Okay, if Clark know the
Speaker 1: good stuff, that's all I care about, all right. I
Speaker 1: know you were recently a part of the Notorious Bid Tribute,
Speaker 1: an event that UM I was asked by Miguel Atwood
Speaker 1: and my boy Jeff Walker to participate in a tribute
Speaker 1: to Biggie and they wanted me because I was Biggis
Speaker 1: DJ and I produced them and we made Junior my
Speaker 1: FAA together and it's kind of impossible to say no
Speaker 1: when you asked me about Biggie, So I said yes,
Speaker 1: and we put together and actually very very nice show
Speaker 1: and people appreciated it, and you know that that's all
Speaker 1: we're trying to do, celebrate my guy. Well when you
Speaker 1: when you're in it, you're just trying to make sure
Speaker 1: that that we do what we do right. And if
Speaker 1: the people say it was epic, then cool. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was looking on my timeline like, damn, I wish I
Speaker 1: was there. It was really cool to do it because
Speaker 1: um his mom was there and then later she was like,
Speaker 1: you did it, You did it, And I was like,
Speaker 1: consuming take miss Wallace home, get her writer out of
Speaker 1: this club real quick. Please take her home, because like
Speaker 1: I think she's a national treasurer Um, what would you
Speaker 1: say are four traits that it takes to be an
Speaker 1: elite hip hop producer. Well, I think, um, we should
Speaker 1: take it away from being an elite hip hop producer
Speaker 1: because hip hop is a culture the music is rapped.
Speaker 1: So if we're talking about rap music, then what I
Speaker 1: think it takes is being able to finish your record,
Speaker 1: because that's what a producer really does. He makes sure
Speaker 1: that the record is finished. He doesn't just give you
Speaker 1: a beat and walk away. I think it's um being
Speaker 1: able to arrange within the song as much as the
Speaker 1: artist or as much as said writer. I think being
Speaker 1: a writer can also add to being a great producer.
Speaker 1: I think, um, this mm hmm, that's the that's the
Speaker 1: ship for me. Like if I can do that then
Speaker 1: and I make the ugly face and and want to
Speaker 1: just play it, then then that's a great producer worthy
Speaker 1: and you know, shifting and shaping and and uh creating
Speaker 1: the way the sound changes from next to next to next.
Speaker 1: So I think the great ones are the ones who
Speaker 1: when you hear it, you go, now, that's who that is.
Speaker 1: That's who that is, that's who that is. You don't
Speaker 1: have to question like who these guys are? People who
Speaker 1: have their own unique sound. It's it's it's more than
Speaker 1: just a sound it's just a feeling as soon as
Speaker 1: you hear it, that's okay, that's and oh now that's
Speaker 1: gotta be you know, say, even if you're wrong, if
Speaker 1: if if you are wrong, it's because of how impactful
Speaker 1: the right guy was in the first place. Now, how
Speaker 1: how important to being a good DJ is being a
Speaker 1: great producer? And how important is it to being a
Speaker 1: great producer is being a good DJ? Well, I think
Speaker 1: the only way that it goes is producer, I mean
Speaker 1: DJ producer, you know what I'm saying, because um, as
Speaker 1: a DJ, you hear a lot of music, and you
Speaker 1: should be listening to as much music as possible, and
Speaker 1: then that gives you the spark to become a producer.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying all producers have to be DJs, but
Speaker 1: if you're asking a DJ, I would think you should
Speaker 1: be a DJ first, because going back it means you're
Speaker 1: trying to grab something that really wasn't there for you.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. If the music is in
Speaker 1: you already, you don't need to go back and try
Speaker 1: to be a DJ, because then all you're trying to
Speaker 1: do is play your tracks somewhere. That's smart. So it
Speaker 1: should always be a well to me, if you're a DJ,
Speaker 1: the progression should be you want to make the music
Speaker 1: that people here. But if you're already, if you're already
Speaker 1: a producer, I don't necessarily think you have to go back.
Speaker 1: I think that you're you're creating something for people to
Speaker 1: listen to. So I don't think you necessarily need to
Speaker 1: go back to become a DJ, because all you're really
Speaker 1: gonna do is end just playing your tracks everyway. But
Speaker 1: just because you start as a DJ doesn't mean to reduce,
Speaker 1: because I do, and it's a completely different. It's a
Speaker 1: completely different ball game. It's it's really they're rough. I'd
Speaker 1: be thinking like they're great, and then I played with
Speaker 1: my dad and he's like, I wasn't really well. The
Speaker 1: thing is, no one made a dope beat the first
Speaker 1: time they were in the learning process, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because um, being crafty like that, it has
Speaker 1: to build up, you know what I mean. Like I
Speaker 1: might have made a hundred beats before I made one
Speaker 1: that person somebody was like, not as fire, you know,
Speaker 1: But what was the first one that was fired to you? Um? Chucks?
Speaker 1: Probably something of for Jay's demo because because when I
Speaker 1: was when I was working on Jay's demo, like I
Speaker 1: might have had fours, but like that I thought were
Speaker 1: like fire, like come on, like use these and he'd
Speaker 1: be like, no, I use that, and you'll use that.
Speaker 1: How humbling is that? Or at that point to me,
Speaker 1: is not humbling at all, because I'm making music like
Speaker 1: it's it's coming from my heart, So no matter what
Speaker 1: anybody else feels, it's about what I believe and if
Speaker 1: I have a belief in something that I made. The
Speaker 1: producer part says, meet me halfway, and I promise you
Speaker 1: I'll take you all the way there. But that's what
Speaker 1: the producer is supposed to do. He's supposed to take
Speaker 1: whatever you bring, writer or artists and take you the
Speaker 1: rest of the way because you got to meet him
Speaker 1: halfway with musically, he has to look at your music
Speaker 1: and go or I can do something to this. I
Speaker 1: can take an acapella and create a track for it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But they can't necessarily that,
Speaker 1: they can't take a track. They can't take their acapella
Speaker 1: and make a track for it. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They need a producer, or they should have a producer.
Speaker 1: I've always wondered, what's what's what's extremely important for being
Speaker 1: a producer is that the artist trusts you, because if
Speaker 1: he doesn't that exactly like, what was, well, what's your
Speaker 1: best part of what's your favorite part about building that
Speaker 1: trust with an artist him? I think in my case,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna would. I was a little lucky because
Speaker 1: every artist I wanted to work with I was already
Speaker 1: being d J Clark Kent when I met them or
Speaker 1: when I got to work with him. So like when
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Jay gonna, Yo, you gotta stop hustling.
Speaker 1: You need to wrap, He's going, You're d J Clark can't.
Speaker 1: So maybe I'll listen. You know one of my favorite
Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite whole ones. I don't know
Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't know about it, but
Speaker 1: that that line off the theater of him, Um, I
Speaker 1: do it for hip hop with him guys and ludicrous
Speaker 1: rhyn the key clo. I was like, that's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite line. But imagine if I was just some
Speaker 1: guy telling them that, which there was plenty of guys
Speaker 1: who probably tried to tell him to rap. They didn't
Speaker 1: tell him stop hustling, they told him to rap. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But I told him, like, you
Speaker 1: gotta stop hustling because of how good you wrap, so
Speaker 1: let's do this together. And look, I don't know what
Speaker 1: it was. I don't know. Maybe it's like again like
Speaker 1: maybe it's because I was already being d J Clark
Speaker 1: can't I already knew jazz, so I'd already been in
Speaker 1: the student deal when with him when he was like
Speaker 1: eighteen years old, seventeen years old. I met him when
Speaker 1: he was like sixteen or seventeen, So it maybe it's
Speaker 1: a well, I was DJ clarking when you met me.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why he gave it this much trust, but
Speaker 1: this much trust after starting. As soon as we started,
Speaker 1: it became like nine, what we're doing, and it would
Speaker 1: be him showing up in my credit gole and what
Speaker 1: we're doing today, show me what you got and like
Speaker 1: then it was like, Okay, now I gotta be an
Speaker 1: engine to continuously be trying to figure out musically what's
Speaker 1: gonna be right for him and his tails and the
Speaker 1: way he was penning or not penning. I should say,
Speaker 1: have you found a way to like, uh, like seamlessly
Speaker 1: bring like so many different subgenres of the culture like
Speaker 1: together like from fashion sneak or fashion specific um and
Speaker 1: then obviously street where you're in the street where you
Speaker 1: still and I was still on the music scene. If
Speaker 1: you want to go into the club today, you still
Speaker 1: body it, Like how have you like, how do you
Speaker 1: embody that part of the culture? How are there so
Speaker 1: many different subgenres of the culture. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to do it. I'm really am. I really am
Speaker 1: a sneaker junkie. I really am a fresh junkie like
Speaker 1: and most people like, I'm not the sneaker collector. I'm
Speaker 1: a sneaker. I want to shoot. But my thing is
Speaker 1: so I could be fresh. It's not so I could
Speaker 1: have it because once I wear it, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: you can take it now. So, like what it means
Speaker 1: to other kids or two kids is like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I got this trophy for me. It's like, is it
Speaker 1: gonna be fresh? Is the outfit gonna be fresh? Because
Speaker 1: if the outfit ain't gonna be fresh, I don't want
Speaker 1: that ship. I don't care how much you hype it up.
Speaker 1: When it comes to playing parties. I want to be
Speaker 1: when I when when I'm so into it that I
Speaker 1: when I walk out the club, I want people to go,
Speaker 1: he's fucking amazing in a party, Like I don't care
Speaker 1: about being amazing with the cutting and scratching. I had
Speaker 1: my years for that. When I'm in a club, when
Speaker 1: we walk out, then people gotta go. He might be
Speaker 1: the best I've ever heard. So I'm true to it.
Speaker 1: I'm true to producing. If I decide to touch a
Speaker 1: drum machine, I want to. I want to make something
Speaker 1: that's going to be great. Like so, I don't touch
Speaker 1: the drum machine until I feel like the energy is
Speaker 1: there because I don't want to be trying to force it.
Speaker 1: I don't force anything, you know what I'm saying. If
Speaker 1: it's not coming from my heart, it doesn't get that.
Speaker 1: Do you ever have like creative I'm sorry, creative like droughts. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess because I get to to create so many
Speaker 1: different things. Yeah. So it's almost like if I had
Speaker 1: a musical drought, let me go craft some shoes, or
Speaker 1: let me make a dope sweatshirt, or let me uh
Speaker 1: be do some create some some ideas DJ wise to
Speaker 1: be incredible, you know what I'm saying. So it's like
Speaker 1: if I have a drought, I have something else like
Speaker 1: a snatch. But like in the midst of those times
Speaker 1: when somebody would say they had a drought, I would
Speaker 1: be trying to create crafty lead or thinking, Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: this at some point when I come out of this
Speaker 1: drought will work when I'm producing or maybe so so
Speaker 1: I'm never not listening for and like I could be
Speaker 1: to elevate to some elevator music come in, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: hit the what what the fun is that? This plan?
Speaker 1: Just to just if it hit me that way, I
Speaker 1: might never use it, but I might look back at
Speaker 1: it and go, Okay, that motivated this. I love that?
Speaker 1: And I know I have mad parts of songs where
Speaker 1: I'm like, at some point when I become a good producer,
Speaker 1: I want to flip this that I haven't yet flipped.
Speaker 1: Do y'all ever get to as DJs and now like
Speaker 1: producers as well? Do y'all ever get to just enjoy
Speaker 1: y'all ever get music the same? Like? Like do you
Speaker 1: do you get to hear music the same for like
Speaker 1: just for enjoyment? If not, when was the last time
Speaker 1: you heard music just as music? Everything I hear is
Speaker 1: music always, everything I hear is me. We just heard
Speaker 1: somebody knocking on That was music because it had a
Speaker 1: rhythm and stuff. When it first started, it had a rhythm,
Speaker 1: so it was music for me. But were you all right?
Speaker 1: But when you hear something continuously, oh, is listening to
Speaker 1: music as that's the first anything that I make the
Speaker 1: think about this every single song you've ever heard in
Speaker 1: your entire life, And I swear to you, if you
Speaker 1: go back to every recorded piece of music, it came
Speaker 1: from the first piece of music. So the first piece
Speaker 1: of music might have been somebody banging on some drums.
Speaker 1: Somebody else was like, I like that, and they created
Speaker 1: based off of that first piece of music. So everything
Speaker 1: that you hear is a sample. Was Brooklyn's Finest and
Speaker 1: plays Anthem with those songs or samples that you were
Speaker 1: DJ and you heard or was that part of create
Speaker 1: digging for you? Um players Anthem was a sample that
Speaker 1: when I heard it, I was like, Oh, I gotta
Speaker 1: make this. Um Brooklyn's Finest was a song that I
Speaker 1: played at the end of every party I played. And
Speaker 1: because because we as a group hung out so much together,
Speaker 1: like me Jay Dame Big, so we hung out as
Speaker 1: a crew. You know what I'm saying. So much. They
Speaker 1: would be at every party and they would hear the
Speaker 1: song come on, and then Dame was like, Yo, you
Speaker 1: gotta flip that again. Because what most people don't know
Speaker 1: is I use that sample on Damon's first group, The
Speaker 1: Future Sound, on a remix that I did for them.
Speaker 1: It's just that I only use one bar of it.
Speaker 1: But when you hear the song, it plays and has
Speaker 1: so much soul. When Dame was like, Yo, you gotta
Speaker 1: flip it again, I was like, okay, cool, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take it soulfully and soulfully the only way to
Speaker 1: take it was five bars. So the fact that Jay
Speaker 1: could look at the five bars and figure out how
Speaker 1: to rhyme to five bars instead of four bars was
Speaker 1: like the master part of it. What was that recording
Speaker 1: session late? Seeing who I know? I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've got enough I have to like, it's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite songs ever, Like the whole Big the first
Speaker 1: time they on record together. What is that light? Like,
Speaker 1: that's your beat that you used to play at the
Speaker 1: end of the party. You never worked and you see
Speaker 1: Holds genius rapping within that fireball. Now you got Big
Speaker 1: doing the same. You like that, and did you even
Speaker 1: know it was gonna be it? Um, I believe even
Speaker 1: knew what it was gonna be because it wasn't Biggie's record,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't supposed to be on the record. It
Speaker 1: was Jay's record. And but I just Biggie wanted to
Speaker 1: be a part of the song so much because he
Speaker 1: heard the beat by accident that I was like, it'll
Speaker 1: just come to the studio and wait downstairs. All I
Speaker 1: can do is ask. So I go upstairs. I tracked
Speaker 1: the beat. Jay goes in and he does a whole
Speaker 1: song like Jay Ryan for the whole song, and then, um,
Speaker 1: probably stupidly, I was like, yo, when he comes out
Speaker 1: the booth and the ship is fucking fire. What he
Speaker 1: did was fire. I'm like, yo, you know, we should
Speaker 1: get Biggie on this. And he's looking at me like
Speaker 1: and no, no, no, not that, no, not not really.
Speaker 1: It was he almost looked at me like why did
Speaker 1: you say that? Now? Like after I just went in
Speaker 1: because the different maybe right. So he goes plus you know,
Speaker 1: I don't really know him, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I know him, And damn, the funniest part
Speaker 1: is he's going nah funk that winning paying puff no
Speaker 1: money right, and I just was like and then but
Speaker 1: but you know, Jay turns and he says, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, if if he if he if he feels
Speaker 1: like it, and he like it and whatever. Side. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. And the
Speaker 1: bathroom was out in the hall near the elevator. I
Speaker 1: went down to the elevator, brought him back up and
Speaker 1: was like, hey guys and j J H. He was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you're a funny nigger. Like that's all he said. He's like,
Speaker 1: you're a funny nigger. And then I introduced them. There
Speaker 1: wasn't even the real words behind between it. It was
Speaker 1: they just laughed. And then he was like you funk
Speaker 1: with this? He was like yeah. So he played it
Speaker 1: and then Jay was like, turned my vocals off after
Speaker 1: we after he played it once and he was like
Speaker 1: you He was like yeah, then he turned my vocals
Speaker 1: off and he just like let it play. And then
Speaker 1: you can just see Jay doing a complete different new
Speaker 1: and he goes I'm ready and goes into booth and
Speaker 1: does totally different. Everything that you hear on the record
Speaker 1: is totally different than what he did before. And then
Speaker 1: he goes, you're ready, and big was like, what the
Speaker 1: fund just happened? I was like, I told you he
Speaker 1: thinks of the rhymes like. And the thing is like
Speaker 1: I was on tour with Biggie telling him my guys
Speaker 1: like the most incredible ship in the world, and he's
Speaker 1: just like all right, and I was like, no, he
Speaker 1: doesn't write rhymes down. He was like nah, and then
Speaker 1: he's seen it. And then after he's seen it, he
Speaker 1: was like, what the fund just happened? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I told you don't write rhymes down and you're ready.
Speaker 1: He was like, no, I need to take this ship home.
Speaker 1: But in that moment he goes, he didn't write that down.
Speaker 1: I was like no, he said, I ain't writting rhynds.
Speaker 1: No more fire, and then he never wrote his rhymes
Speaker 1: down again. But I told him how Jay did that.
Speaker 1: So once I told him how he did it, he
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I get it. So you know, technically
Speaker 1: you're the rate as rap producer ever. No, No, that
Speaker 1: story right there, that is the story of the But
Speaker 1: it's a story of how being a producer works, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like, bring them together, make
Speaker 1: them do it, like explain how it gets done. In
Speaker 1: the middle of even though j came up with totally
Speaker 1: different rhymes, it was like, now here's these five bars
Speaker 1: spaces for you to Phil, can you do that? And
Speaker 1: it took like two and a half months for Biggie
Speaker 1: to come back and be like, let's go. But it
Speaker 1: was the night before mastering, yeah, because we was on
Speaker 1: the road, so you know, and and he was also
Speaker 1: getting the rhymes together to fit what jay Z did.
Speaker 1: And then we get to the studio the night before
Speaker 1: mastering and they leave me in there after big dozes
Speaker 1: versus they leave me in there with no hooks. So
Speaker 1: now I gotta make the hook and then that's me
Speaker 1: on the hook. So if you think about the song, right,
Speaker 1: the song is called Brooklyn's Finess, it wasn't at first.
Speaker 1: It's called Brooklyn's Finest, Brooklyn's Finest rapper, Brooklyn's finest MC,
Speaker 1: Brooklyn's finest djer. That's there is a part of producing
Speaker 1: that's like Phil Jackson pat Riley right for real, if
Speaker 1: if a producer gains the trust and he's the coach, right,
Speaker 1: So like every record that was made for reasonable doubt,
Speaker 1: it was like we'd sit down and listen to him
Speaker 1: and think about it. If if, if you're an artist,
Speaker 1: do you necessarily just listen to everybody or you listen
Speaker 1: to the people you trust in that room. I'm one
Speaker 1: of the people in the room. I started the whole.
Speaker 1: Let's record jay Z situation. I started the whole. Let
Speaker 1: me introduce you the Dame, Dad, she should be a manager,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying. So, it's like, well, ship, he
Speaker 1: brought Dame, he brought Jay Like, yeah, not trust him,
Speaker 1: you know I'm saying. So the trust between me and him,
Speaker 1: it's different, Like still you know. So you currently listen
Speaker 1: to the what hip Hop Questions Legends and list will
Speaker 1: be right back after this break. Well, listen, we are
Speaker 1: here to get to this list. This is already the
Speaker 1: great eyes said it on my there's already greatest episode
Speaker 1: of what that we've ever had. It's about to get greater. Okay,
Speaker 1: we got five spaces to fill in for the best
Speaker 1: rap producer of all time. Let's start the youth in
Speaker 1: the room. Oh my god, I who was your number? Five? Alright, son,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. So I put for a five
Speaker 1: premiere and four if you need to free that's a
Speaker 1: good this is a good five and four. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna hold you that's a good fin for um. As
Speaker 1: for me, I went number five, Teddy Riley, number four,
Speaker 1: Dr dre Um. I think both of those guys, it's
Speaker 1: Teddy rap you've heard and you ever want to do
Speaker 1: with zoom zoom zoom. Mean, if you ever heard any
Speaker 1: of New Jack Swing, they're much wrapping them show. What
Speaker 1: about the show? The show like there's much wrapping Like, well,
Speaker 1: that's the big reason why I got Teddy Riley on
Speaker 1: this list right because both him and Dr dre like
Speaker 1: birth and author sounds, that's for sure, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like they authored sounds. Dr Dre multiple sounds
Speaker 1: over multiple generation. Teddy Riley, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm not not the person who I was looking up.
Speaker 1: I was trying to see if they're a producer. But
Speaker 1: I don't think their producer. I was gonna say, Raphael,
Speaker 1: he's not a producer, and he's amazing. He's like, he's
Speaker 1: fucking amazing. But that's not rap. Agree, but that's what
Speaker 1: I said. I don't think Teddy Rale is rapp either.
Speaker 1: Teddy Roley has done some rap records, but I don't
Speaker 1: even know. I don't even understand how you get him
Speaker 1: on the Best in Brad because he only has a
Speaker 1: certain amount of rap songs. Those songs is wrapped the
Speaker 1: same without those that The show is probably the greatest
Speaker 1: hip hop record ever so with Wait Wait Wait. And
Speaker 1: the reason why I say that is because it had
Speaker 1: the d Jane, it had the beatbox on it, and
Speaker 1: it had a dope beat. It was it was to
Speaker 1: really like one of the best all hip hop like
Speaker 1: it like it's it's almost like the only record that
Speaker 1: transcends rap and becomes hip hop. I like that, That's
Speaker 1: where where it is. But because he used everything, Hey,
Speaker 1: I lost that. I liked Ted Raley, I I didn't
Speaker 1: know who was wrapped. You still get, you still get
Speaker 1: like they're still record that short. He may not have
Speaker 1: a large category because new Jack Swing is new Jack swing,
Speaker 1: but a huge portion of his hip hop and new
Speaker 1: Jack Swing is based off the hip hop. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: the boys should I say based But it has its
Speaker 1: own title like it, but don't forget where it came.
Speaker 1: It came from hip hop, though it came from it
Speaker 1: came from it came from He did that in his
Speaker 1: mother's chicken. Bobby Brown came to record in Harlem in
Speaker 1: the kitchen. Okay, that's why on this list could be
Speaker 1: mad at me because you made this money. No kid,
Speaker 1: huh what did you say? Wait? This money right at
Speaker 1: the end of the wet here? Oh we out here.
Speaker 1: It's my mother who got um. I don't have five,
Speaker 1: I have six. I have a number six and then
Speaker 1: the number six. I have two people tied. Okay, have
Speaker 1: Kanye West and no I D tied? Fair right, so
Speaker 1: much classic work between At number five, I have Dr
Speaker 1: Dre and DJ Quick tied. Okay, Okay, I'm not okay.
Speaker 1: DJ Quick is a fucking demon. Not arguing that. And
Speaker 1: the number four I got just blaze, Okay, I'm not
Speaker 1: mad at that. You can't be mad at that. Yes,
Speaker 1: I am Dr quaking Dr Dre. You put them together
Speaker 1: because they both West Coast. No, because they're both at
Speaker 1: the same level. To me, they're tired at me. And
Speaker 1: you've probably seen Kanye and no I D tied because
Speaker 1: they've done a lot together. He's saying Dre and Quick
Speaker 1: tid because even on separate planes they're time. But I've
Speaker 1: seen it the same way when he said Kanye, no
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, of course, because you don't really get
Speaker 1: Kanye without a no. I D. But he's still saying
Speaker 1: that who's more prolific Kanye or no idea Kanye would
Speaker 1: be more prolific, but no idea. He made four four four,
Speaker 1: like I give you that, like he made four four four,
Speaker 1: he made comments first album like he he's he's he's
Speaker 1: a demon, and he's a demon whenever he feels like it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying, if he decides to chill for
Speaker 1: two years when he comes back, you're gonna feel that impact.
Speaker 1: Snow Allegra is because of No I D. And her
Speaker 1: should be bumping who does you know what I know?
Speaker 1: Never mind? I mean but and just blaze, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: give the drummer song, please just blaze. Like he's just
Speaker 1: you can't even say his name regularly. And anthems he
Speaker 1: like multiple, like he's yeah, he's vicious. Noticed that Ink
Speaker 1: Wall gave us a sixth man never done before on
Speaker 1: this podcast on the group you can't do that. The
Speaker 1: reason why I did that was like a billion people already.
Speaker 1: But the reason why I did that is because like,
Speaker 1: like I can't talk about the top of the Tops
Speaker 1: and not mention these four guys. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's just that as we go closer, like, it gets
Speaker 1: very clear where where? Yeah? Hey King? Who you got?
Speaker 1: All right? So from the number five, um, I did
Speaker 1: want it. I did a split, so I have to
Speaker 1: deal with it, um organized noise and have it. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. And then my number four is DJ Famier
Speaker 1: and Kanye Wow, I forgot. That is crazy. Leave it
Speaker 1: to mouse to be You know today the young Bucks,
Speaker 1: the definitive ones. Clearly we decided we made hard choices today.
Speaker 1: But I'm with them. How are the feel bad? I'm
Speaker 1: okay with him not being in top five? But listen, listen, listen, listen.
Speaker 1: We we wouldn't get them. But can you say sonically
Speaker 1: they're better than Dr Drake? Hell no, not even? Can
Speaker 1: you say sonically they're better than Kanye? Can you say
Speaker 1: sonically they're better than No Idea? Can you say sonically
Speaker 1: they're better than Jamaine Duprix? Can you say sonically they're
Speaker 1: better than I can say sonically they gave me a
Speaker 1: lot of soul, which I really that's perfectly fine. But
Speaker 1: I asked you a different question. So I'm here for
Speaker 1: the soul for the soul. So then Kanye West is
Speaker 1: number one for you? Then, yeah, we knew that. I
Speaker 1: don't want to think anybody, even the fans at home
Speaker 1: knew that number three, number three, um punching on fun
Speaker 1: music here, why don't you here's another one. My number
Speaker 1: three is Pharrell And I'm not biased or nothing. Where
Speaker 1: would the bias he go from? Because okay, once you
Speaker 1: say you left the lphant name, so I know you're
Speaker 1: not body um my number three, just Blaze. You know
Speaker 1: we already spoke on the greatness, get a drummer something
Speaker 1: man like, there's no I don't have the relationship I
Speaker 1: have with hip hop if if it's not for Just
Speaker 1: Blaze and Kanye tracking those and Bank and Bank Big Big.
Speaker 1: You know I love v A. Don't don't hold a
Speaker 1: different Like this is hard? Can you start hearing another
Speaker 1: names and he's like, damn, don't don't hold against me. Big,
Speaker 1: I did not forget you. But yes, there's no way
Speaker 1: I could leave just Blaze. Just I'm telling you that
Speaker 1: number two one. You're gonna get so mad at me,
Speaker 1: and but it's fine. It's with all due respect. Farrell
Speaker 1: is the most producer person on the list. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: the most producer person. Yes, because Pharrell doesn't just give
Speaker 1: you a track or bring you to the track or way.
Speaker 1: He gives you the hook. He gives you the way
Speaker 1: you're gonna say your wraps, and he gives you the
Speaker 1: cadences everything. She's like, no, this is what you're gonna
Speaker 1: do on this and I've seen it seventy times, like
Speaker 1: telling somebody you know, this is this is what you're good,
Speaker 1: this is here, this is how you're gonna like. He
Speaker 1: even showed it on on them on the Faith to
Speaker 1: Black when he was telling jay Z when he was
Speaker 1: in the studio with him and he was he didn't
Speaker 1: even have the hook yet, but he was like, this
Speaker 1: is what it's gonna be. And he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is what So if I could just if
Speaker 1: I could just cheat right now. Number two is Pharrell
Speaker 1: for me. And that's the moment. That's why because the
Speaker 1: song that O G Is talking about, there's a lore
Speaker 1: arguably jay Z's greatest song. I'm sorry, I forgot to
Speaker 1: put the it's a slash on that one for me,
Speaker 1: though I meant to. I forgot to write it. Sorry,
Speaker 1: but that's my Number two Farrell is my number two
Speaker 1: for that very well, we're talking about Timberland, Pharrell and Timberland.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with Timbo being number seven, being number six
Speaker 1: or seven. For me, it's it's very rare. It's for me,
Speaker 1: it's about to get verse. It's very the air is
Speaker 1: very thin when I get to number. The thing with
Speaker 1: them is the same able to like to say, this
Speaker 1: is what it's gonna be. Timberland gets tracks from everywhere,
Speaker 1: like he hears something in the room and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it right there, and then he'll beat boxing and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it's a whole record. It's like
Speaker 1: you just watching watching Farrell and Timberland on Fade to Black.
Speaker 1: They're both from Virginia, they both from the same crew,
Speaker 1: and they both are geniuses. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like you might argue that Timbo man have more R
Speaker 1: and B, but the things he's done and wrap our
Speaker 1: craziness like he may big Timperan, he may point out
Speaker 1: the bounce he made Missy he didn't listen it's getting red,
Speaker 1: or the air spent up here. But to me, the
Speaker 1: way I look at this thing is the things that
Speaker 1: happened like the the musicality of it all, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like just blazes of musicality is off
Speaker 1: the wall, like for Real and timber their musicality is
Speaker 1: like some other ship. Yeah, and all these people had
Speaker 1: like dominating yeah, and existed together like we talked about
Speaker 1: somebody like for Real Timberland, Like they're dominating charts together.
Speaker 1: You either, it's very reminiscent of like New Jack Swing days,
Speaker 1: like when you had um you know Teddy Riley, where
Speaker 1: like you know m c A took Bobby Brown to
Speaker 1: Teddy Riley equally as they took him to baby Face
Speaker 1: in l A read Like that's what Pharrell and Timberland
Speaker 1: giving me the thought places And at number six I
Speaker 1: could have put another slash added Swiss. Yeah, but I'm
Speaker 1: saying like I could have put him at the same
Speaker 1: place for Kanye and No I D because I don't
Speaker 1: know if he has this what the stand but what
Speaker 1: I don't know if he has the musicality that Swiss
Speaker 1: beats makes. He could probably sit in front of you
Speaker 1: and make twenty five beats in about an hour and
Speaker 1: like twenty of them will be bombs. Like that's where
Speaker 1: he's at. With it, like he's he's that ill be
Speaker 1: like Swisses. He might have the sterity or there's things
Speaker 1: he's made that you're not thinking about. There's things he's
Speaker 1: made that like he made Ring Me Alone, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like when when when you hear it,
Speaker 1: you're like, you're not immediately thinking Swiss Beach. You're thinking
Speaker 1: I record is fire, and then you're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: Swizz did a Beyonce. Yeah that ain't that, Yeah, bib,
Speaker 1: that's Swizy. That was crazy. Farrell have the most musical
Speaker 1: training out of everybody on this list so far. You
Speaker 1: think Clark music with training probably went to school for me? Yeah? Yeah, probably,
Speaker 1: Well what about I'm telling you he's like Kanyan. I
Speaker 1: don't think he went to school to like the Farrell
Speaker 1: could play every fucking damn the instrument in the universe
Speaker 1: like he could just like he was in the band.
Speaker 1: He was, he was in he was in a drum line.
Speaker 1: He was like he was for real, Like you know
Speaker 1: who you got? Who you got number three eight King?
Speaker 1: All right, So this was a toss up my two
Speaker 1: way three. I could see it right through the thing.
Speaker 1: It was a toss up three. UM, number three just blazes.
Speaker 1: But we're not at too yet though no, I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but I could easily he could
Speaker 1: easily go anywhere in the top three, Um, at least
Speaker 1: in my top three. But today, at this second, I
Speaker 1: got him his number three. Shout at Jeff Blade number
Speaker 1: two deep, like, oh, you're saying this one out deep block.
Speaker 1: He said it's black. He says black music. He's not
Speaker 1: getting in trouble. I respected y'all the foul. My number
Speaker 1: two was already written, so I guess I'll wait for
Speaker 1: everybody else. Um, yeah, r D I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 1: Like I said, he authored styles like snoop. I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't gotta do this catalog. But yeah, there was
Speaker 1: a lot more people who worked on POT before Dr
Speaker 1: Dre got to him. Oh yes, this is true, but
Speaker 1: let's let's let's let's let's let's put this out there.
Speaker 1: Poc raised Dr Dre's stock because pop was already pop
Speaker 1: when he got Like, you have to understand easy Mob
Speaker 1: worked on POT before Dr Dre got to him. He
Speaker 1: made so many tears, he did tim taste, He did
Speaker 1: so many tears. Okay, okay is my favorite Park song.
Speaker 1: So that's that tempting that was that was easy Mobi. Wait,
Speaker 1: that was easy Mobi and Riff. So Riff is on
Speaker 1: that song in the background doing which was wrapping this
Speaker 1: fundamental which is which is easy movies group. Yeah, Well
Speaker 1: he was in Brooklyn making records. Halleback, get him out.
Speaker 1: Biggest records weren't produced by Dre Maybe biggest, but best.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, biggest, the best, yourself. You wand yourself
Speaker 1: into that temptations but having people really no senius. But
Speaker 1: everybody knows California love. Yeah, but everybody knows um dear mama,
Speaker 1: and that ain't Drake. I get around. Everybody knows I
Speaker 1: get around. That ain't Drake. Everybody, Okay, drop it off.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad at you
Speaker 1: with that. I'm just saying, but you use you use
Speaker 1: POC like, how do you use pocket? The only one
Speaker 1: you focus on, said, I'm just saying what you said
Speaker 1: emerged was like the third one. I said, all right,
Speaker 1: so my number two already told y'all this is my
Speaker 1: Since everybody's using the slash, I think i'd go use
Speaker 1: you the slash. I'm sorry I had to because this
Speaker 1: one was rough. This one was rough, and I was
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out and I was gonna actually
Speaker 1: when I seen when I seen the slash calm, I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, notice it's not coming. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: you're not gonna throw them to say, I say number two.
Speaker 1: It's Farrell slash Missy, Missy, Missy Mr Mina Elliott as
Speaker 1: a producer, producing for herself, producing alongside of Timberland, like
Speaker 1: producing for that. Like Missy's fire and she can't be
Speaker 1: boxed in. She's water. Missy's really water when it comes
Speaker 1: to this ship like and obviously I think Missy is
Speaker 1: that good because she came up under Mr Dalvin Farrell,
Speaker 1: Timberland DeVante properly. Listen, she slipped, I slipped. We yall
Speaker 1: jo is my ship? All right, it's right here. The
Speaker 1: Dax is right here. Okay, but yes, I got for real.
Speaker 1: Missy has my split for number two. Okay, I've seen
Speaker 1: the eyes. Oh Molly Ma, oh wow, I thought he
Speaker 1: would have been number one for you. Molly Ma is
Speaker 1: the father of every rap producers stop like he literally
Speaker 1: is the reason why we all make beaks the way
Speaker 1: that we do is Molly Ma. Like Molly Ma is
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ of rap, rap rap producers. He's like all
Speaker 1: of our Jesus Like when we speak about it, like
Speaker 1: if you get producers in the room, like his name
Speaker 1: is gonna come up just as much as damn near
Speaker 1: everybody because they're gonna have to look back to where
Speaker 1: they come from and where they come from comes from
Speaker 1: Molly mar I used to be in his house, like
Speaker 1: I learned how to actually use the drum machine sitting
Speaker 1: in his house and Herbie love Bucks house, like watching
Speaker 1: them music. They didn't even teach me. They just was
Speaker 1: like I just watched them music. I watched him on
Speaker 1: SV twelve. The things he was doing a S twelve
Speaker 1: producers can't do now. Still, he's the father of all
Speaker 1: rap producers. Not mad at that at all. A king.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, my number two I can already see. I've
Speaker 1: seen it earlier, and I did. I think I took
Speaker 1: clocks number four for my number two, I believe, which
Speaker 1: is split the v A boys, Uh Farrell and Timbo.
Speaker 1: That's my number number four. That was my number three.
Speaker 1: That was the number three and and and that's easy
Speaker 1: like Farrell and Timbo. I mean, if I go with
Speaker 1: my playlist like what I've been listening to you now,
Speaker 1: the other streaming companies, they have what you listened to
Speaker 1: for the year. They're in there, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: just on their discography and catalog. So there. So they're
Speaker 1: my number two. And like I said, I could flip
Speaker 1: flop between my two and three, which is just blaze
Speaker 1: any given day. So I am had it Farrell ever,
Speaker 1: like Farrell just produced half of the best rap album
Speaker 1: this year. Not mad at that at all. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you know who we forgot? We didn't forget anybody we
Speaker 1: didn't want to see. If you guys all forgot somebody
Speaker 1: that was you know I forgot. You got to see
Speaker 1: your list. I'll say I forgot about Kennon should be
Speaker 1: on here, Cannon, Yeah, in this company, in no way,
Speaker 1: wait in this company and talking about the top five
Speaker 1: bro all times mad hits he does. He got mad
Speaker 1: hit and I didn't. I didn't realize how many hits
Speaker 1: he had until I've seen Drama Live. Wait, you care
Speaker 1: about Kennis hits? Well, we're talking about Farrell, Timberland, just blaze,
Speaker 1: dr J DJ quit. Kanye West had to add a
Speaker 1: six man to get caught. He had to add a
Speaker 1: six Man to get Kanye no idea and you're talking
Speaker 1: to me about and I'm gonna tell you everybody forgot
Speaker 1: about what they forgot about him. And I'm not mad
Speaker 1: at them forgetting about him because of what he means
Speaker 1: to producers instead of what he means to put to
Speaker 1: to the actual song making part. Like like everybody and
Speaker 1: I didn't forget it. I just know that when I
Speaker 1: look at this, I'm like, I have to think about
Speaker 1: all the songs. And when I think about all the songs,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have enough songs to funk with this list.
Speaker 1: J d jay Diller, jay Dilla, Jay Diller, And I know,
Speaker 1: I know you thought that. I know you thought that,
Speaker 1: but I thought that too. But I'm just like, I
Speaker 1: have to think of songs now. If you were just
Speaker 1: talking to producers, we'd all go jay Dilla somewhere on
Speaker 1: this list because of how insane he made beats. But
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't go. There's enough songs that that
Speaker 1: stand behind that. He made an album. He made albums
Speaker 1: of just beats that work as just we're going this
Speaker 1: motherfucker's crazy, Like he's crazy, crazy crazy, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. There's some new guys that are around that
Speaker 1: when they get their time, they're gonna lay motherfucker's out
Speaker 1: there because of j D. Because they're looking at j
Speaker 1: D going oh, he was wilding. Like there's dudes I
Speaker 1: could listen to their style and go, oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: because of j D. You know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: they're wilding. You know what I'm saying. All they gotta
Speaker 1: do is got some records. If they got some records
Speaker 1: and they catch enough records, then we're gonna be talking
Speaker 1: about a different list in a while. But j D
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to catch enough records. His record,
Speaker 1: He's made some great records. It's just that he didn't
Speaker 1: get enough for you to be like he made the
Speaker 1: false side like he made I can't keep running away
Speaker 1: And we listened to that ship. Every time I listen
Speaker 1: to it, I just think, God damn, have beat is amazing.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He made a bunch of
Speaker 1: dope beats. It's just that more of his dopest ship
Speaker 1: don't have artists on it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like that donuts albums, Jesus Christ, like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Like I can't even like the background. I can't even
Speaker 1: consider that rap. I just got to consider that music
Speaker 1: because it's so insane. Yeah, like are we are we
Speaker 1: ready before we go to him? When I was asking
Speaker 1: about Marley, do you think samples the sample laws have
Speaker 1: box him in or limited him from keep on producing
Speaker 1: when it comes on because he still does what he
Speaker 1: wants when he wants. I just think that if we
Speaker 1: don't have Molly maw, like half of the list don't exist.
Speaker 1: Any of this list I can't well, well actually except
Speaker 1: maybe Quick. Yes, he does. I mean like Quick does too.
Speaker 1: It's just that he will play the whole sample over
Speaker 1: and then switch it a little bit. But you know,
Speaker 1: but DJ Quick his musicality dog you you know how
Speaker 1: you know? DJ Quick is a fucking amazing producer. Raphael
Speaker 1: sad Be like, hey Quick, what are you doing? Like,
Speaker 1: let's go make some records. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He's worked with Rabil Sadiq a million time because of
Speaker 1: how amazing his musicality working. You're now listening to the
Speaker 1: what If I questioned legend and listen, we'll be right
Speaker 1: back after the break. It's going to number one, man one.
Speaker 1: I know I'm getting I know, I know it's about
Speaker 1: to be crazy, Kanye. Yeah, that's a that's a crazy catalog.
Speaker 1: You want music, music, which which song? I can't tell
Speaker 1: me nothing. I hope that just because you said it's
Speaker 1: you can't tell me not now if you want to now,
Speaker 1: if you want this episode to stay up? Oh true?
Speaker 1: All right, don't you know what you do? You play? Uh?
Speaker 1: You play? Uh? I changed my mind? Ye not not
Speaker 1: not not for any funny ship. No, no, not not
Speaker 1: funny funny ship. Because that beat was fucking ignorant. I
Speaker 1: chant I don't know that. I don't know, like that
Speaker 1: fucking beat is outstanding or play or play played the
Speaker 1: brandy joint played a brandy joint? Oh that? Um? Take me?
Speaker 1: I don't know. When I heard that beat, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my fucking god. I was like, that's amazing, especially
Speaker 1: because I knew the sample. When I'm knowing the sample
Speaker 1: and I'm going, who would never touched that? Like what
Speaker 1: you did? It's all so good man. Yo. When a
Speaker 1: producer does some ship that makes you go, I wish
Speaker 1: I did that ship, that's when you know. That's the
Speaker 1: Like when I heard next episode, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well I listened to that sample A thousand times. How
Speaker 1: I never said, yeah, I'm gonna do that, but then
Speaker 1: you hear it and you're just like, yeah, hi, j
Speaker 1: you got it. I so in in in that vein,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going with the to me one of the
Speaker 1: masters of that puff Daddy and my number one great
Speaker 1: daddy is my number one um. As you can see,
Speaker 1: I have in a corner heaven. What I come to
Speaker 1: the heaven, y'all know, I separate everything by like Earth
Speaker 1: and then like out of this world ship, right, Kanye
Speaker 1: and Jermaine dupri are not on my list because I
Speaker 1: think they're out of this world. I don't think it
Speaker 1: would be fair to critique them by anybody's list the
Speaker 1: ship they've done. So you basically have six technically got
Speaker 1: a seventh because you slashed them right. No, they're they're
Speaker 1: one and two and happened was one and two one
Speaker 1: to in heaven Whila. I would put dil as my
Speaker 1: six man, so Diller would be on my list if
Speaker 1: we had six. I just want to be careful here
Speaker 1: because we're talking about rat. We're talking about rap Jamaine
Speaker 1: the Free although he wasn't producing like like super hippity
Speaker 1: hot rap. I say hippy hap. I didn't do that.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. He still produced, He still produced Chris.
Speaker 1: But listen, listen, here's why I put j D. Like
Speaker 1: in a different place. I actually put him in for
Speaker 1: Rell in a different place because there probably two artists
Speaker 1: that make artists and that there's some other ship to
Speaker 1: make it, which how to put him. I couldn't put
Speaker 1: him in this list. I couldn't put him. Understand me.
Speaker 1: Why I didn't put j D on the list. I
Speaker 1: had to put for real because of how many rate
Speaker 1: amazing records he made and he just made rap Album
Speaker 1: of the Year. So but if we're just talking about
Speaker 1: producers period, them two dudes are on a list there
Speaker 1: in the top five of best producers ever. Ever. I'm
Speaker 1: just talking about producers like ever because of the ability
Speaker 1: to pluck somebody and go, Okay, this is what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do, and you do everything and then it comes
Speaker 1: out right like he made a skate like he that's
Speaker 1: what That's what I'm saying, like a factory within his
Speaker 1: own self. He is a factory. Yeah, but he's a
Speaker 1: factory in music. I don't know if it's rap music,
Speaker 1: like I would still be I still would not be
Speaker 1: able and I mentioned and I agree with you, but
Speaker 1: I would not be able to even talk about hip hop,
Speaker 1: wrap anything and not address what he did at just
Speaker 1: a monster. Same thing with you. I wanna go on record.
Speaker 1: It is clearly saying I might not have him on
Speaker 1: my top rat list, but he's in my top five
Speaker 1: of best producers ever. Jermaine Duprix saying, yeah, like Puff
Speaker 1: is in my top ten of best producers ever. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like like that, that's why top
Speaker 1: producers that like like Puff would touch a rap song
Speaker 1: and it's just a hit. It's a hit, it's a hit.
Speaker 1: He was, he was different, like he was different to
Speaker 1: this day's different. I don't like, I know music has changed.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I think what what Puff did, like easily
Speaker 1: was bring energy. Yeah, and energy helps make a record,
Speaker 1: even when you talk about a remix. What is that
Speaker 1: He brought a new energy. So that's energy, like energy,
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's why I got Puff is my number one.
Speaker 1: I know y'alling man, the producer of this podcasting Energy
Speaker 1: to this room, Speak Speak Tomato. Number one. My number
Speaker 1: one is DJ Premier And the reason why my number
Speaker 1: one is DJ Premier is because he's the most boombat
Speaker 1: producer ever. And even if he made a beat on
Speaker 1: somebody that I didn't think the song was good, Like
Speaker 1: I still walk away going goddamn with the beat his fire,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, but he made unbelievable
Speaker 1: he made kicking the Door, He made so many Here's
Speaker 1: the thing. Premier probably has more records that didn't go
Speaker 1: to radio that were bombs than everybody on the list.
Speaker 1: Think about this, like Premier's records might not have gone
Speaker 1: to radio the same way, but you look at them like, now,
Speaker 1: those records are better than the records on the album,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And everything every it almost
Speaker 1: like it's almost like a rappers write of passage to
Speaker 1: grimean Premier. You know what I'm saying, He's I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say this and this, this is a this is something
Speaker 1: I've never admitted before. Like he's literally one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why I slowed down on producing because I was
Speaker 1: always like, damn, look what the funk was going on
Speaker 1: when he did that? So I was. And the thing
Speaker 1: is before when I first was making beats, I made
Speaker 1: beats the same way I have chopped samples and make
Speaker 1: eats and you know, like and that's the way I
Speaker 1: was trying to shift my ship around, like throwing people
Speaker 1: like but then the ship where I have more melodic
Speaker 1: and more more soulful loose with the ship that people chose.
Speaker 1: And I would be like, you know what the fund beat?
Speaker 1: These beats are crazy, and then his his joints will
Speaker 1: come out and I'd be like, yeah, that's just It's
Speaker 1: like it's it's the ship. That's the ship, and that's
Speaker 1: the ship that I would I would be wanting to
Speaker 1: do so, but because I knew that's the way I
Speaker 1: would start making every beat, I just was like I
Speaker 1: just got to slow down and let me just let
Speaker 1: me just not as much, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Because Premier, like every time he chopped the beat, I
Speaker 1: just was like Jesus Christ, like, what the fund is
Speaker 1: happening here? Like and like we literally used the same
Speaker 1: sample like right behind each other. I produced play his
Speaker 1: anthem and then he produced you played yourself? Right, And
Speaker 1: I'm and I think he made it because I may
Speaker 1: play his anthem. I think that was a conversation like
Speaker 1: Jay Ru was like you played yourself talking about biggie,
Speaker 1: but he made it because of that, so he was
Speaker 1: the same sample I used it. I took it apart,
Speaker 1: chopped it, put it back, but I put it back
Speaker 1: the same way, but I put it back so we
Speaker 1: could play in a different speed and the same notes.
Speaker 1: He took the notes apart, chopped it up, and then
Speaker 1: became you played yourself, And I was like, what the
Speaker 1: fun was that? I almost felt like you don't like
Speaker 1: me and you need to know, Like I might know
Speaker 1: Premier before everybody in rap, because he was when he
Speaker 1: was at school at Prairie View University. I went into
Speaker 1: the show there with Day to Day and that's the
Speaker 1: first time we met was while he was still in school,
Speaker 1: this before he's making records, and we became friends then.
Speaker 1: So like I'm like, that's my man like but but
Speaker 1: but I wasn't even mad. I was like he murdered
Speaker 1: that ship. I was just got the win. You know
Speaker 1: why I got the win? I got the wind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like yeah, I might have got the win. But if
Speaker 1: my producer hard, I was like, fuck, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But like literally I would I would just
Speaker 1: keep hearing preim and just be like, you know what
Speaker 1: slow down and you know I'm a DJ first, you
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna produce a second, I'm gonna producer because
Speaker 1: I'm a DJ, but I would literally He's the only
Speaker 1: person that made me go aheah, maybe you should slow
Speaker 1: down for a little bit and chill and take it
Speaker 1: to and and not be trying to go so hard
Speaker 1: like maybe just like and. And that's what made me
Speaker 1: um look differently at producing. It made me go, do
Speaker 1: I want to produce this artist? Do I want to
Speaker 1: do a record with it? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I'm more careful like that. I'm not just the
Speaker 1: guy who's like factory and going, yo, I want to
Speaker 1: produce joints. I'm gonna produce joints and have joints on everybody.
Speaker 1: I'm like, do I like the artist as artists? Dope?
Speaker 1: So now when I do something, I'm just like, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about how dope is an artist. So like when
Speaker 1: I worked with Kanye, I was like, Kanye is amazing.
Speaker 1: So when we made the record we made, I might
Speaker 1: not have been like, oh, this is amazing. I was
Speaker 1: just like, I worked with an amazing artist. So I
Speaker 1: was choicy, you know what I'm saying so like right now,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, instead of just being a beat factory,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, do do like a beat dojo? Like?
Speaker 1: Do I want to work with the artists? Do I do?
Speaker 1: I think the artist is amazing because I really want
Speaker 1: to be a producer in the room. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be the guy who just gave you a beat.
Speaker 1: You know, I have to say this is um I
Speaker 1: hate to do the stereotype of the whiteboard at los Woutang.
Speaker 1: That's a big omission from all three of your lists.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's top five. I don't think that.
Speaker 1: I think I think if you were saying important most
Speaker 1: important producers in wrap, he's definitely top five. But like
Speaker 1: I'm like, does he have enough to be in this
Speaker 1: same conversation? And do I think he's great? Absolutely? He
Speaker 1: made you like an offbeat loop. I'm like, how but
Speaker 1: like we liked it? We was like, no, that shis fired.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He made you like ship differently.
Speaker 1: He made a lot of people believe they were producers
Speaker 1: when they weren't. Like he made a lot of guys
Speaker 1: who were sitting in their house with a sample of
Speaker 1: go oh, I'm a producer because of the Rizar, Like, no,
Speaker 1: you're not. The Rizzon had a formula. Rizzi had these
Speaker 1: guys that he was gonna like, I'm gonna make their
Speaker 1: ship feel like this. So Rizz did something extremely important
Speaker 1: and I like how to kind of showed that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the riz was was definitely the Abbot. He was the abbot.
Speaker 1: He was he was the head of all of it.
Speaker 1: And and you can't take that away. His ship is
Speaker 1: his sound and he's amazing for it, you know, amazing.
Speaker 1: Like I think the zard Riz a great producer. Whoever's
Speaker 1: fucking downstairs drilling that they're a great producers that they
Speaker 1: are episode who you got a k so we get
Speaker 1: before they started drilling again. My number one man, I
Speaker 1: listened to this album from the time it came out
Speaker 1: even to this day. Um, outside of the previous discuss
Speaker 1: fee and just his contribution to the culture period. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the West Coast. Dr Dre number one.
Speaker 1: Can't be mad at that, dog, I can't be mad
Speaker 1: at it. A lot of people, a lot of producers
Speaker 1: to say, Dr Drake, you know al right, right, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I was gonna put DJ Clark
Speaker 1: at first, but then I said, he's here, I don't
Speaker 1: want to see my You know what I mean? You
Speaker 1: know I wouldn't put myself in the top in the
Speaker 1: top six of this And the reason why it is because, yes,
Speaker 1: I've made some records. Yes I've made some hits. Yes
Speaker 1: I've done something. Anthem in Brooklyn finds has you on
Speaker 1: top ten? No one are if anyone are song, No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. If I produce it, to me,
Speaker 1: you gotta have. And I made enough records, and I
Speaker 1: produced and remixed a bunch of records. But like to
Speaker 1: stand next to Molly Mall like my my most people
Speaker 1: would be like, that's humble. I'm like, it ain't even humble.
Speaker 1: That's me saying Molly fothered my style. Those two records alone,
Speaker 1: if we're looking at it like a versus, like a
Speaker 1: quantifiable thing, like a one one one has to last
Speaker 1: type thing, those two songs will knock out at least
Speaker 1: five songs from each person on this list. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say I don't have some bombs. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say I don't have some bonds. What I'm saying, that's
Speaker 1: my quantifier. If I have to say it, and I say,
Speaker 1: I got those three records. We're just stopping at these three.
Speaker 1: We can keep going. He has about ten he's saying it,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying for him, he has about ten records
Speaker 1: that will smoke any ten records from these people on
Speaker 1: this list. That you have to put yourself in that
Speaker 1: top ten. Have to, I mean personally, I can't, and
Speaker 1: I really believe I can't, because when I look at
Speaker 1: this list, I look at a bunch of guys who
Speaker 1: just like like most people look at my me putting
Speaker 1: Molly Mar number two and be like, Molly Molla ain't
Speaker 1: done this in this amount of time. But what Molly
Speaker 1: Mar did is the reason why we can talk about
Speaker 1: a top rap list like he is Jesus to all
Speaker 1: of us, the symphony to be like like the National
Speaker 1: Museum of African American dog like to the first potty
Speaker 1: he made. He made it a demo, and when you
Speaker 1: listen to it to a demo. Just the way that
Speaker 1: he hooked the drums is enough for all of us
Speaker 1: to go, Okay, yeah, yeah, leave him, leave that man alone,
Speaker 1: leave him, leave him alone. He's separate. It's almost like
Speaker 1: I want to be like here's Molly Man, here's the
Speaker 1: rest of the list, But you know, premiere for me
Speaker 1: beat wise, I'm just like, yeah, like he just don't
Speaker 1: fucking miss Pharrell and and Timberland, Like I can't stand
Speaker 1: next to them, respectfully. I I think they're like just Blaze,
Speaker 1: Dog like I talked to just Blaze once a week
Speaker 1: because like he's my my young homiek But I like
Speaker 1: it's ship that he's doing in his crib right now
Speaker 1: that I'm just like Dog Joe stop like like like
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't put myself next time. I can't
Speaker 1: put myself next to Dr Dre d J quick no idea,
Speaker 1: Kanye a producer in the in the Realm of you
Speaker 1: premiere just Blaze. I'm not gonna say Kanye because he's
Speaker 1: going a different way, but specifically you, I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: Kanye is going a different way. He just produced on
Speaker 1: Puts his album too, and he brought the Kanye look
Speaker 1: for so let's even. But I'm you'll understand why it
Speaker 1: took him out of that the question I about to
Speaker 1: ask you you specifically just Blaze specifically for me, specifically,
Speaker 1: y'all make some ship. But today's popular artists does not
Speaker 1: fit the mold of worthy to be worthy of a
Speaker 1: premier a Just Blaze. The thing. The thing is they do,
Speaker 1: they are worthy, it's just that they'd rather go with
Speaker 1: speed than to go with quality, and it's not which
Speaker 1: still leads me to this, this is the reason why
Speaker 1: they don't have time. We're still leading me to add
Speaker 1: when you hear Just Blaze and you're like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: in there going crazy, is it a bit sad? And
Speaker 1: then when you're like, well, who's going to do that? No,
Speaker 1: because he's scoring video games, Like come on, and now
Speaker 1: you're about to be able to vote on a video
Speaker 1: game soundtrack for a Rammy, Like Just Blaze will win
Speaker 1: a Grammy for a fucking soundtrack for a video because
Speaker 1: his soundtrack for his video games, his video games. When
Speaker 1: I say his, like he owns the company, Like like
Speaker 1: think about that, Like Just Blaze is like, yeah, well
Speaker 1: funk all you wrap ships. I'm gonna make some video games.
Speaker 1: Why because video games won't go away, your rappers will
Speaker 1: go away. So even if you feel like you don't
Speaker 1: want to come and get with Just Blaze, who fixed
Speaker 1: damn to anybody he's ever produced, then you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, let's fine, I'll do these video games
Speaker 1: that your kids are gonna play when you're dead. She
Speaker 1: im one question Clark about a song like this and
Speaker 1: this kind of wraps up are all producing thing. When
Speaker 1: you give a Sky's the Limit too big? Do you
Speaker 1: kind of put in his ear? This is more inspirational
Speaker 1: vibe that where that song is gonna go. It's funny
Speaker 1: because with Sky's the Limit, this is gonna sound crazy.
Speaker 1: That was Acnelli's beat what but he didn't move on it.
Speaker 1: Actually the first person to have that beat with Jay.
Speaker 1: The second person was Sauce Money because in our hierarchy
Speaker 1: it was Jay Sauce Money. Those two the first people
Speaker 1: who get all all my beats stuff. That's just the
Speaker 1: way it went. They didn't they didn't move it. And
Speaker 1: then and then it was a caneltic because Acnelli was
Speaker 1: damn near down with us and he didn't move on it.
Speaker 1: He just didn't do it. So then when I gave
Speaker 1: it to Big and like, it wasn't the first thing
Speaker 1: I gave him, like players and some was was the
Speaker 1: first thing on the tape, and then needs you Tonight
Speaker 1: was there Like it's almost like I put the Junior
Speaker 1: Mafia album. What need to Still it's good. But the
Speaker 1: thing is, like, I damn they gave him Junior Mafia,
Speaker 1: Junior Mafia album without trying to because there was a
Speaker 1: bunch of the joints on there that became Junior Mafia's album. Right. So,
Speaker 1: but this song, as soon as it came on, he
Speaker 1: was like, we're on a tour bus and he's like
Speaker 1: he was like homeless for me, and I was like, hold,
Speaker 1: what what are you talking about? I can't hold that,
Speaker 1: like like I moved music and he was like, no,
Speaker 1: you got a whole list for me, like I need
Speaker 1: this track, and I was like okay. Five minutes later,
Speaker 1: he's going, you know what you keep going and I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh yeah, I got a holest because
Speaker 1: I just like, if that's what you're coming up with
Speaker 1: all of this, this is gonna be special. I felt
Speaker 1: like it was going to be special. I didn't know
Speaker 1: until when he laid the verses and I was just like,
Speaker 1: oh ship. So when I mixed the song, he's wearing
Speaker 1: the studio and I mixed the song, he goes, this
Speaker 1: is it. This is my favorite song, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's enough for me if the ship doesn't do anything.
Speaker 1: Big said it's his favorite song, and he didn't question
Speaker 1: the way I mixed it. He didn't question the way
Speaker 1: I did the drops, he didn't question the way anything happened.
Speaker 1: He just was like, I trust you. And because we
Speaker 1: already did an album together. We did Jamme Marfia's album together,
Speaker 1: and I literally produced all the vocals on the whole album,
Speaker 1: so and and a bunch of songs. But like he
Speaker 1: was just like, not, I trust clock, and on this song,
Speaker 1: he at the end of it said it was his
Speaker 1: favorite song, and I was just like, yeah, let it
Speaker 1: be whack. I don't care. He said it was his
Speaker 1: favorite song. You know what I'm saying, So you don't
Speaker 1: know when it's happening. But but him saying that gave
Speaker 1: me a different feeling. It made me feel like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I did I did the right thing by by not
Speaker 1: giving it to I can only unfortunately, because he's my
Speaker 1: man and I don't want you to think I didn't
Speaker 1: want him to have it. But he just didn't move
Speaker 1: on it, you know. And Sauce and j didn't move
Speaker 1: on it either. They didn't move on and play his
Speaker 1: anthem it's just so funny. I gave play his anthem
Speaker 1: to Llo coo J. I'm so glad. No, no, no, no, listen,
Speaker 1: I gave it to Llo coo J. Right. It was
Speaker 1: the first thing. It was the first thing on the
Speaker 1: tape that I gave to him. Right, we may play
Speaker 1: his anthem. We we we go to a master and
Speaker 1: lab and make some some plates and we go to
Speaker 1: the club. We go to the tunnel and give it
Speaker 1: to Flex and give it to Cat. Cat just starts
Speaker 1: banging and banging it like no one's ever heard it.
Speaker 1: But not a euts going bananas. Well, it's me, big
Speaker 1: On and and a couple of the my Fia kids there.
Speaker 1: But we're just on the wall, like playing cool. And
Speaker 1: then Big Verse come by and everybody's like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: this is a new biggie record. L L walks in
Speaker 1: the joint. He goes, yo, fu is this it's this
Speaker 1: new ship we just did. We just did it like yesterday,
Speaker 1: and he was like, Yo, you need to give me
Speaker 1: a joint like this. It's the first thing on the
Speaker 1: tape I gave you. So that tells me it's not
Speaker 1: that they can't hear the whole song. They can only
Speaker 1: hear what they're supposed to do, and maybe he didn't
Speaker 1: know what he was supposed to do. So a producer
Speaker 1: has to be able to say, this is what you're
Speaker 1: supposed to do. He has to finish the record. All
Speaker 1: of these guys on the on this list can finish
Speaker 1: the records. There's dudes who make beats and then they
Speaker 1: just make beats and they pass them off. That's like,
Speaker 1: damn near seventy per cent of ship you here on
Speaker 1: the radio right now is somebody who passed off a
Speaker 1: beat or somebody who put it on YouTube and somebody
Speaker 1: heard it and was like made a song, and then
Speaker 1: they're chasing down the guy to find out if they
Speaker 1: can get paid for the song that they use off
Speaker 1: of their beat that they found on YouTube. But all
Speaker 1: of these guys finished the record. Molly Mob made Chantey,
Speaker 1: he made Kane, he made business. He made fucking Coogi
Speaker 1: wrap like when I'm talking about he made those artists
Speaker 1: like that's some other ship by Molly Mar's Jesus, everybody
Speaker 1: going to symphony. The symphony. He created the Juice Crew
Speaker 1: and made all of them Like what what do you are?
Speaker 1: You not paying attention? How many of these are these
Speaker 1: producers that you can look at and go they made nobody,
Speaker 1: Premier made Guru I'm talking about. But what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is on this list, how many of them can you
Speaker 1: say made and artists the short Premier made Guru, Farrell
Speaker 1: and Timberland, I feel both Farrell Timberland made a group
Speaker 1: missing for Farrell made Farrell, made the clips, made the clips.
Speaker 1: Frell made Collie Alice, Farrell made Farrell Farrell He he
Speaker 1: revamped Nori. He he just gave Nori a record that
Speaker 1: changed what Noria was gonna do. Um Dre obviously, drey
Speaker 1: Dre made Snoop Jay made, Ja made Eminem, he made.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna he No, No, he didn't make fifty. He
Speaker 1: made he didn't make. He didn't make fifty. Fifty was
Speaker 1: already being fifty when he got He wasn't gonna be that.
Speaker 1: He was gonna here's the reason why he was gonna
Speaker 1: be dog. When he made Flatline, people love that ship.
Speaker 1: When he made Never Seen the light of Death. Not
Speaker 1: saying he didn't help him. What I'm telling you is
Speaker 1: fifty was already an artist, a pure artist. Everything about this,
Speaker 1: think about this, every fifty song that you love is
Speaker 1: a singing hook. And you don't think he's a singer.
Speaker 1: Does that mean he's the fucking real deal. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's David Blaine. He made a C song. He made
Speaker 1: a C I'm with yo, yo, think about this. He
Speaker 1: had to be for your rule about the same ship,
Speaker 1: and they were doing the same ship. It's just that
Speaker 1: your rules sang like an R and B nigger. He
Speaker 1: sang like a hood nigger. That is where it's where
Speaker 1: the difference these things like your uncle is singing his
Speaker 1: favorite song. Yeah, but we all can sing it. We
Speaker 1: all know what you know what like? Yeah, so's it's
Speaker 1: it's different. This is the new, this is the Clark
Speaker 1: hip hop question. Legends, No, thank you, thank you for
Speaker 1: pulling up. Thank you so much for you know, we've
Speaker 1: been able to sit under you know, sit and speak
Speaker 1: to a whole bunch of legends that we grew up
Speaker 1: idolizing and listening to. So you know, to add you
Speaker 1: to listen the way you came in on fire. We
Speaker 1: super appreciate it. When I'm when i'm passionate about something,
Speaker 1: I'm passionate about producers, being a producer, but I'm actually
Speaker 1: passionate about these guys because I'm actually I'm actually a
Speaker 1: fan of these people, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: because I'm a d d J, I listened differently. So
Speaker 1: I listened from the outside going, jeez, what the funk
Speaker 1: is this? You know what I'm saying. So it's like
Speaker 1: it was hard for me to not mention J d because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I could listen to Donuts and be like,
Speaker 1: this is some of the most amazing shift I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: But I need records to make this list, And like again,
Speaker 1: I go back to DJ Premiere and I say, DJ
Speaker 1: Premier has made so many records that banging clubs that
Speaker 1: don't go to radio. He might have more of those
Speaker 1: records than these guys have records that did it. M
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeah, I can go to a club and
Speaker 1: do a premiere set paying tribute to him, and every
Speaker 1: record I play will ring off to the crowd because
Speaker 1: they might go I didn't hear that on the radio.
Speaker 1: But that was my favorite jointing on the album, because
Speaker 1: when premiere gets to you, it's almost like you needed
Speaker 1: Premiere on your album. Back in those times, like in
Speaker 1: the ninth mid nineties all the way through to the
Speaker 1: early two thousand. You needed premiere on your album, otherwise
Speaker 1: the album wasn't done. Please tell the people we already
Speaker 1: know to follow you and supports you a wig and
Speaker 1: the people UM follow support I'm easy to follow um at,
Speaker 1: d J Clark, can't just the wear sounds UM on Instagram,
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and you know, I'm trying not to do
Speaker 1: too much, stay out the way to do good things.
Speaker 1: I wake up every day just trying to do fool ship.
Speaker 1: You'd be winning. You're a You're an over achiever and
Speaker 1: ni anything. He said it all. Thank you so much
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