Speaker 1: Well, if you are listening to this the day it
Speaker 1: comes out, Happy New Year. This is well earned. This
Speaker 1: is the UM very last show of the year for
Speaker 1: this calendar, for this calendar system, and we wanted to
Speaker 1: we wanted to take time to to do something a
Speaker 1: little bit different. I guess first we should we should
Speaker 1: talk about this episode. Oh the sweet kids that we
Speaker 1: were a while back, you guys, Matt Noel. We uh
Speaker 1: we did an episode on prophecy, predictions, imprescience. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: episode came out on January one, twenty six. We were
Speaker 1: such a naive summer children back. How things have changed? Yes, yeah, we,
Speaker 1: like everybody listening, did not really understand or, as some
Speaker 1: of our friends would say, Grock, what the future would
Speaker 1: old and um, just to be completely transparent now, which
Speaker 1: is what this show is about. I've alluded to our
Speaker 1: personal lives to varying degrees in the course of our
Speaker 1: explorations together. UM. In November of this year, my mother,
Speaker 1: Susan Bulland passed away unexpectedly. Um. Like a lot of
Speaker 1: people listening in the crowd today, Uh, it was not
Speaker 1: my first rodeo with death, and like everybody listening, it
Speaker 1: won't be my last. I've seen a lot of people
Speaker 1: go I've been there, unfortunately, and this was a peaceful passing,
Speaker 1: as peaceful as these things can be. But I bring
Speaker 1: this up only because it's it's a matter of family,
Speaker 1: and we have all lost people, more so now than
Speaker 1: we we thought we might have in you know, this
Speaker 1: show is to me at least, not to speak for you,
Speaker 1: guys mattin Old, but this is one of the most
Speaker 1: important things I've ever done. And when we say that,
Speaker 1: you are, you know, the most important part of the show.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it may feel like we say it like a cliche,
Speaker 1: but what that really means is that, in a very
Speaker 1: real way, you are our family too. Matt and Noel
Speaker 1: were kind enough to be able to make it to
Speaker 1: the funeral service for my mother. Um we had to
Speaker 1: sit through a terrible Statler Brothers song, but I love
Speaker 1: it and and so I wanted to thank everybody, and
Speaker 1: more importantly just to say, you know, we can't find
Speaker 1: any proof of predictions and prophecies that really come to
Speaker 1: pass spoiler alert, but what we can do is be
Speaker 1: here for each other. So if you are going through something,
Speaker 1: if you need someone to talk to, at least on
Speaker 1: my end, I want you to know you can reach
Speaker 1: out to me personally. UM, I'm terrified of phones, so
Speaker 1: please don't call me, but we get You can find
Speaker 1: me anywhere on the internet. You can find our show
Speaker 1: on the internet as well. And I want to thank
Speaker 1: you you guys, know and Matt for giving me the
Speaker 1: space to say this, and for our fellow conspiracy realists.
Speaker 1: Seriously take me up if you ever need someone to
Speaker 1: talk to. Ben Bull and hs W on Twitter at
Speaker 1: been bullying on Instagram. But that's that's my bit, that's
Speaker 1: my ted talk. What about you guys into your statements?
Speaker 1: Well I had offered the same thing, but you'll never
Speaker 1: find me on social media, so it's always changing it
Speaker 1: up this day, you know, a new handle every week.
Speaker 1: You're like the kids on Instagram, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's just hard to pin you down. Um. Same
Speaker 1: here you can. You can find me on at how
Speaker 1: now Noel Brown on Instagram. UM, And just want to
Speaker 1: echo this family sentiment. I mean, you can't spend this
Speaker 1: much time with two of the best dudes in the
Speaker 1: universe and not feel like brothers. And I'm an only
Speaker 1: child and I've never really had a brother, you know.
Speaker 1: At least biologically. But you guys are the closest thing
Speaker 1: that I have had or ever will have. And I
Speaker 1: love you both dearly. Yeah, yeah, And I would actually
Speaker 1: extend that to Mission control. Paul Deckett, who's you know,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at his face right now on our screen.
Speaker 1: He's always there, always in the background, always listening, never judging, yeah,
Speaker 1: usually never judging. Makes a face him make a face
Speaker 1: both And alexis code name Doc Holiday. It's it's the same.
Speaker 1: We were all up one big family here and it
Speaker 1: goes back to through you know, when Noel was a producer,
Speaker 1: when we had Alex around here. We've got Seth Johnson
Speaker 1: every once in a while, just like our cousins coming
Speaker 1: to visit or something. And um, you don't toil away
Speaker 1: at the research like we do and then come in
Speaker 1: here and have these conversations. And you know, we're we're
Speaker 1: we're trying to be very careful with our thoughts and
Speaker 1: words where we're in here, and it's because we have
Speaker 1: you in mind. We're we're imagining you and and speaking
Speaker 1: with you, and you know, we we don't take that lightly. Um,
Speaker 1: and we very much appreciate the time that you spend
Speaker 1: with us, so thank you, and I would just say,
Speaker 1: you know, happy New Year. Let's try and make this
Speaker 1: next one not suck as much. I know we said
Speaker 1: that about every time. Uh No, you're right, You're right, Matt.
Speaker 1: That's what that's what we can bring in this classic
Speaker 1: episode we thought would be interesting to to share with
Speaker 1: everyone because we talk about famous alleged profits Nostro Damis,
Speaker 1: Edgar Casey, Baba vanga um, and we talk about something
Speaker 1: that people have been trying to do for a long
Speaker 1: long time, which is to have some sort of perspective on,
Speaker 1: or even control over the chaos and uncertainty that the
Speaker 1: coming years or days will bring. One thing we can
Speaker 1: say for certain is that we being so immensely fortunate
Speaker 1: to be part of this show. We we all uh
Speaker 1: we we all know predictions are a little silly, and
Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys, but when we have
Speaker 1: we've talked before about making a prediction episode and it's
Speaker 1: just playing with live fire. But I think we can
Speaker 1: safely say. Um, one of the last things my mom
Speaker 1: actually said to me, which is we'll get through this together.
Speaker 1: You're here from UFOs to psychic powers. Since government conspiracies
Speaker 1: history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back
Speaker 1: now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,
Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Max, my
Speaker 1: name is Noel, and today I am Ben. Most importantly,
Speaker 1: you are you, which makes this stuff they don't want
Speaker 1: you to know. At least, we hope you're feeling like yourself,
Speaker 1: and if you're feeling like someone else, well it's nice
Speaker 1: to talk to that person too. We have a very
Speaker 1: special announcement as we begin the show today. We are
Speaker 1: I believe we are the last show recording for the year.
Speaker 1: We're on the cusp. Gentleman. That is correct, as long
Speaker 1: as we finish after Jonathan finishes his session. That's happening
Speaker 1: simultaneously theoretically. Theoretically yes, which means that by the time
Speaker 1: you hear this, it will be twenty sixteen. So there's
Speaker 1: something that we would like to wish you guys. Good luck.
Speaker 1: Mary New New Order Day? Oh what what Mary New
Speaker 1: Order Day? Is this thing? Nolan has started and started
Speaker 1: it take it off? Well, it was more like it's
Speaker 1: more You're more the visionary of it. You're the Walter White.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of wood shopping and I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm ready to try it out, it's quite yet. I
Speaker 1: feel as though I jumped the gun and dropping that
Speaker 1: slogan apologies to well, this is uh, this is the
Speaker 1: one time of year we're ball dropping is not only
Speaker 1: cool but a television events. So happy New Year to
Speaker 1: you guys. So today, whether or not we are the
Speaker 1: last podcast, we are definitely the first podcast for stuff
Speaker 1: they want, you know, twenty sixteen and today we're talking
Speaker 1: about something that's somewhat apropos Is that correct? Yes, we're
Speaker 1: talking about profits and the seeing into the future and
Speaker 1: predicting things that are to come. Maybe perhaps yes, an
Speaker 1: idea that goes back to the earliest days of religion, right, Uh,
Speaker 1: the oracle of Delphi, where where in these priestesses would
Speaker 1: sit over a fissure in the earth on a tripod
Speaker 1: kind of stool and breathing the fumes from this fissure
Speaker 1: and with for predictions about what was to come. That's
Speaker 1: a that is a very cool image and I wish
Speaker 1: I could have seen that. Right. Funny story about the
Speaker 1: famous oracles at Delphi is that the predictions or mutterings
Speaker 1: of these priestesses were interpreted by their uh, we'll find. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a commonality that we will seem among different profits.
Speaker 1: And I should note that the people who were performing
Speaker 1: these acts of divination, those were the specifically the oracles.
Speaker 1: So the English word prophecy appears in Europe in the
Speaker 1: mid twelve hundreds twelve twelve twenty, and it comes from
Speaker 1: the French the twelfth century word prophecy. So you can
Speaker 1: see where they're connected. This goes all the way back
Speaker 1: to the Greek um. This comes from a word that's profema,
Speaker 1: which mean to say beforehand, to to foretell. So what
Speaker 1: what we see is that even before then people have
Speaker 1: been making predictions right. Well, yeah, it's a fun thing
Speaker 1: to do, right to just for an everyday human being,
Speaker 1: all of you sitting in your cars or whatever you're
Speaker 1: doing running, It's kind of fun to think what is
Speaker 1: going to happen in the next five years, maybe the
Speaker 1: next hundred years, just for someone who doesn't even have
Speaker 1: any kind of powers or you know, it is in
Speaker 1: touch with some greater thing. Uh. I like to do it.
Speaker 1: I like to sit around and go, oh, man, I
Speaker 1: can see this happening in the next World war. So
Speaker 1: is there is there a connection ben between the word
Speaker 1: prophecy and the idea of prophecy for telling the future,
Speaker 1: and the idea of like professing something or speaking out
Speaker 1: about something, or being a professor for example, like someone
Speaker 1: who teaches you. Uh No, that's that's an interesting question
Speaker 1: because the idea of a prophet, it's not necessarily prophecy,
Speaker 1: but profit itself is sort of one who speaks for
Speaker 1: the gods. So it does have the to speak for right,
Speaker 1: So professor would be more like declare publicly, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense. So there is a relationship there, But I
Speaker 1: don't know if a professor is necessarily speaking for God
Speaker 1: or by divine inspiration. Have you guys ever seen a
Speaker 1: prophetic professor like on the streets walking around in the city. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is a There is a group of people now
Speaker 1: who are um pamphleting the streets regarding cell phone use
Speaker 1: and cancer the w h O World Health Organization. But
Speaker 1: what I was going to say, though, is I don't
Speaker 1: want to misl you listeners by thinking the prophecy is
Speaker 1: a Western thing. It should go without saying what we're
Speaker 1: going to say it anyway, to be fair, that prophecy exists.
Speaker 1: It probably predates writing because one of the earliest things
Speaker 1: that man tried to do, or humankind tried to do rather,
Speaker 1: would be to forecast the movements of the heavens and
Speaker 1: to see if there were any correlation between the movements
Speaker 1: of the sky and the movements on the ground. And
Speaker 1: most of the earliest civilizations, many of which have been
Speaker 1: lost to time, were oral traditions. So this had to
Speaker 1: exist before the Western world. I mean, we can't be that,
Speaker 1: you know, Western centric, but the stuff we're going to
Speaker 1: hear about usually concerns the Western world, and we'd like
Speaker 1: to take a look at several world famous profits today.
Speaker 1: This is our this is kind of our prediction show too, Hi, guys.
Speaker 1: I was going to add it, you know, speaking of
Speaker 1: not being originated in the Western world necessarily. I mean
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the idea of like casting bones
Speaker 1: or like looking at you know, in trails and things
Speaker 1: like that and trying to figure out what the future is,
Speaker 1: and I was just looking up oracle bones. Apparently that
Speaker 1: goes as far back as like the Shang dynasty, which
Speaker 1: was around b C. And so they found, you know,
Speaker 1: examples of these oracle bones that were used to kind
Speaker 1: of like see into the future and things like looking
Speaker 1: into flames, you know, for example, Yeah, that's divination rituals.
Speaker 1: That's that's great. I wonder if that would also make
Speaker 1: almost a separate show on its own too, because you know,
Speaker 1: reading the liver or the entrails of a goat, or
Speaker 1: the tea leaves, you know, the tea leaves of course,
Speaker 1: and oh there's so many other different methods, and one
Speaker 1: of which, if you live in the US you may
Speaker 1: be surprised to find is still practiced today in the
Speaker 1: modern age. Can anyone guess what it is? Listeners will
Speaker 1: give you a chance, you guys, are I would think
Speaker 1: it was the palms reading of palms or terroris? Oh,
Speaker 1: it's groundhog Day. It's the one every one participates in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny, even though it's completely bunk. I ever, tell
Speaker 1: you have several members of my family who lived in Punkstani.
Speaker 1: No you didn't. Yeah? Can they still call him punk
Speaker 1: Satani Phil? Or do they him a new name? I
Speaker 1: don't like the Georgia Bulldogs. Bulldog when it dies? That
Speaker 1: give add a number to it? Like I'm pretty sure? Okay, Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I might be completely incorrect. The last time
Speaker 1: I was there, it was still punk satani Phille and
Speaker 1: it was not the original right. Oh yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: the Marlborough Man, right exactly or Zoros. So let's let's
Speaker 1: get a few things out of the way before we
Speaker 1: delve into this. If you've already checked out our video
Speaker 1: on prophecy, then you know some of what we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about. We're going to mention some specific alleged
Speaker 1: profits or would be profits or people who thought they
Speaker 1: were profits. And then we're also going to look at
Speaker 1: some of the stuff they said or again allegedly said,
Speaker 1: and whether it measured is up. So first things first,
Speaker 1: one of the big questions that you might have is, well,
Speaker 1: if there are true profits, and if they are true
Speaker 1: specific prognostications or whatever of future events, then why do
Speaker 1: these future events occur if they're still disasters? If someone
Speaker 1: says the Titanic is going to sink, yeah, somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: stop that from happening, right, because now we know, right,
Speaker 1: or do we? And why is? Why is it's what's
Speaker 1: the old quotation we see through the class darkly or something?
Speaker 1: Why Why does so much of what is called prophecies
Speaker 1: seem to be kind of vague? I mean, not to
Speaker 1: mention like time travel tropes and books and television. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't do it. You can't keep Hitler from being born.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't keep Kennedy from being assassinated. It's
Speaker 1: never gonna work. Something's always going to crop up against
Speaker 1: you and you're gonna fail. Yeah, like that. So that's
Speaker 1: a perfect point to you know, what is the nature
Speaker 1: of the presence relationship with the future, right is it?
Speaker 1: Is it possible? There's a great thing in um Stephen
Speaker 1: King book, And I know Stephen King is divisive for
Speaker 1: some people, but he wrote this book about someone who
Speaker 1: tries to go back in time and stop the Kennedy assassinations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a great line in there. Always says the past
Speaker 1: is obdurate, which which means that this guy is going
Speaker 1: back in time and he's trying to change certain things.
Speaker 1: But even the little things are really really hard to change. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it will not it's it will not be changed. It
Speaker 1: resists change. Because this is the only time, probably in
Speaker 1: my life, I've been able to use this statement correctly.
Speaker 1: It is what it is. That's that's it. That's the
Speaker 1: only time. So all right, so let's let's talk about
Speaker 1: some of those problems with prophecy. Skeptics like James Randy
Speaker 1: will tell us that most prophecies only become predictive in
Speaker 1: the eyes of p people looking back in reference to
Speaker 1: something that already happened. Well, we mean it's some kind
Speaker 1: of postdiction, some retroactive divination, right, Yeah, they're translated in
Speaker 1: a way that makes sense to the recent events around them,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. So with with that in mind, what we hope,
Speaker 1: what we hope to explore today is whether there are
Speaker 1: prophecies that clearly delineated something that happened in the future,
Speaker 1: whether there were prophets who did so, whether the at
Speaker 1: least in the cases we're looking at, and whether the
Speaker 1: other part is true, whether the fans or the advocates
Speaker 1: or the believers in these prophecies said years after an event,
Speaker 1: oh totally, you predicted World War two. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of it too, has to do with the language of
Speaker 1: the prophecy, and one of the first ones we're going
Speaker 1: to get into, very well known prophet Nostradamus, is were
Speaker 1: almost written like in the form of riddles or kind
Speaker 1: of weird little aphorisms that you know, sort of like
Speaker 1: the fortune cookie, you know, can you could apply it
Speaker 1: to something if you choose. If you see an event
Speaker 1: and you say, oh, well, you know, here's a thing
Speaker 1: it's kind of related. You can make a jump on
Speaker 1: a leap and get there if you want to um.
Speaker 1: Some of them are weirder than others as well discuss,
Speaker 1: but again it's all about the language and prophecy. Prophecies
Speaker 1: do tend not to be this thing is going to
Speaker 1: happen on this day. It's gonna be just like this.
Speaker 1: They're usually much more vague and open ended. So so
Speaker 1: I have a I have a a funny well it's not.
Speaker 1: It wasn't funny to me, but it might give everybody
Speaker 1: a chuckle. Uh. I have a funny story about muster Damas.
Speaker 1: When I was a wee young Tyke one of my
Speaker 1: uncles who has always been into fringe kind of theories,
Speaker 1: and he saw he's still a hard person to read.
Speaker 1: He would occasionally just send me books out of the blue.
Speaker 1: And one of the books that I received from him
Speaker 1: was a book about nostrodomass prophecies for the End of
Speaker 1: the world. And this was probably a book that was
Speaker 1: over my head at the time, and it was also
Speaker 1: on the cusp of the nine Atlanta Olympics. So I
Speaker 1: read this one quation was and it had this strange
Speaker 1: um strange phrasing, but it was something like in nineteen
Speaker 1: hundred and nineties six build your house, sort of rock
Speaker 1: and sticks, war and fire will sweep over the land.
Speaker 1: And they did like, oh, apostrophe e er, which to
Speaker 1: me was super like super legit at the time. And
Speaker 1: then I was convinced that the end of the world
Speaker 1: or the end of the city would occur in during
Speaker 1: the nine Olympics. And I was, I'm being dead serious,
Speaker 1: you guys. I was terrified to go into the city.
Speaker 1: I was certain that this mass market paperback had accurately
Speaker 1: predicted future and a my mom made me go to
Speaker 1: one thing, and the rest of the time I stayed home.
Speaker 1: Certain right, yes, exactly. And then the there was a
Speaker 1: bombing at the at the Olympics that year, but civilization
Speaker 1: soldiered on. But that must have been creepy for you
Speaker 1: at the time to see on the news or something
Speaker 1: here somebody talking about it. I was convinced that the
Speaker 1: ancient wisdom of Nostre Damas had saved my life and
Speaker 1: for and that was for a couple of a couple
Speaker 1: of years. But then we started to look at the
Speaker 1: interpretations and and a lot of people are aware of Nostradamus,
Speaker 1: skeptics and believers alike. So let's get into it, you guys,
Speaker 1: who who is this dude? So his full name was
Speaker 1: Michelle de nostradama Um and went by the street name.
Speaker 1: I suppose you could say Nostrodamus Um. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite hip hop names of all times is Flastradamus. Yes, fantastic,
Speaker 1: just throwing up there, but um so. According to most sources,
Speaker 1: he was born in December of fifteen o three and
Speaker 1: died in fifteen sixty six. He made a living as
Speaker 1: like an apothecary sort of, you know, exactly a precurstitch
Speaker 1: of pharmacists. But today he's much more well known, regarded
Speaker 1: as a soothsayer or a prophet as we're talking about.
Speaker 1: In five he published a book called Li Profetise, which
Speaker 1: remains relatively popular even to this day and has been
Speaker 1: translated into numerous languages. Um today you can find the
Speaker 1: full copyright free PDF of this in the public domain.
Speaker 1: You can get an archive dot org courtesy of the
Speaker 1: Library of Congress. Though it should be noted uh and
Speaker 1: This was something I was going to bring up. We're
Speaker 1: talking about how these things are interpreted. They're also translated literally,
Speaker 1: quite literally, because the original version was written in French.
Speaker 1: The prophetis and the one that you can find that
Speaker 1: we mentioned that PDF is completely in French, and you
Speaker 1: can just imagine the little nuances they get lost as
Speaker 1: it gets changed over to English or to Spanish or
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in the Romance languages. It might
Speaker 1: be even more similar. But then imagine if it's translated
Speaker 1: let's say, I don't know, to man drain or something
Speaker 1: like that, and people are using these prophecies as and
Speaker 1: trying to translate them. Oh man, and have you been
Speaker 1: out of the college game for a minute. It I'd
Speaker 1: only recently occurred to me again how important translators are
Speaker 1: for you know, works of philosophy, and how you become
Speaker 1: like the pre eminent voice, you know, in terms of
Speaker 1: translating in particular, you know, writer, and because you are
Speaker 1: literally creating the interpretation of this work that is going
Speaker 1: to be consumed and taught and you know, passed around,
Speaker 1: and a lot of times that we're interpretation definitely applies,
Speaker 1: I mean, it has to, and it goes it goes back.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting because it goes back to what we're
Speaker 1: talking about with oracles, right, Uh, the the priests, to
Speaker 1: the sibyl and in the interpreter, the intermediate medium. Uh so, uh,
Speaker 1: this is this is great that we're getting to this
Speaker 1: part because it's not just modern French. It's French from
Speaker 1: the fifteen hundreds, sort of like like Middle English or something.
Speaker 1: It's difficult to it's it would be very very difficult,
Speaker 1: although I do love. One thing I love about spoken
Speaker 1: French at least is that everything rhymes. Do you guys
Speaker 1: ever think about how easy it must be to wrap
Speaker 1: in French? Well? Really interesting? Yeah, you're right, I didn't
Speaker 1: think about that. But it flows very nice. It flows,
Speaker 1: it flows, it does end. So no. Stredamis's predictions are written,
Speaker 1: as we said, in this French, and they're grouped in
Speaker 1: a peculiar way. They are grouped in four line stands
Speaker 1: as quatrains that observe or maybe worn about vague events
Speaker 1: or very symbolistic. Uh. The stands as themselves are grouped
Speaker 1: into units of a hundred called centuries. And as we said,
Speaker 1: it's all about the interpretations. So let's talk about some
Speaker 1: of the specific prophecies that no stredamis made. Should we
Speaker 1: go ahead and jump right in to the old September
Speaker 1: eleven one attacks Why not? Man, I'm not an eight
Speaker 1: and a half the yards kind of guy. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: where we're going. Uh, let's let's get into the English
Speaker 1: translation that old Matt Frederick. Here o l apostrophe Matt
Speaker 1: Frederick or however you want to translate Frederick. All right,
Speaker 1: here we go. Volcanic fire from the center of the
Speaker 1: earth will cause trembling around the new city. Two great
Speaker 1: rocks will make war for a long time. Then Arufsa
Speaker 1: will redden a new river. Yeah. Ruf's side note is
Speaker 1: a nymph who turned into a fountain in her story.
Speaker 1: Uh so that's one translation, But I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is the same one. I found another version. Apparently
Speaker 1: there were quite a few folks talked around about not eleven.
Speaker 1: This one has some similar ideas, but it's in the
Speaker 1: city of God. There will be a great thunder, two
Speaker 1: brothers torn apart by chaos. While the fortress endures, the
Speaker 1: great leader will succumb. The third big war will begin
Speaker 1: when the big city is burning. That is an interesting one. Actually,
Speaker 1: because I've seen the imagery in their matches up really
Speaker 1: well with what we saw on the news and what
Speaker 1: kind of happened. What's what I'm saying, it's the fortune
Speaker 1: cooking men town. You know, you can fit it in,
Speaker 1: you can totally box it in if you think, wow,
Speaker 1: those are some big burly images that he's talking about,
Speaker 1: and like you can connect them with, you know, to
Speaker 1: the Twins, the two buildings, the Fortress of the Pentagon,
Speaker 1: which still stands. Also, the qualification of posting something on
Speaker 1: the Internet is entirely the ability to have an Internet connection,
Speaker 1: of course. And I remember this one. This was this
Speaker 1: was right when everything went down and everyone was talking
Speaker 1: about the Nostrongs connection. This one was totally doctored and
Speaker 1: it is made up, but you may remember this. It
Speaker 1: was two steel birds will fall from the sky on
Speaker 1: the metropolis. The sky will burn at forty five degrees latitude.
Speaker 1: Fire approaches the Great New City. Immediately, a huge scattered
Speaker 1: flame leaps up. Within months, rivers will flow with blood.
Speaker 1: The undead will roam the earth for a little time.
Speaker 1: Totally fabricated. Someone just took the flavor of Nostre Damas
Speaker 1: and added maybe a couple of lines from one of
Speaker 1: the quatrains and dumped this out and it was making
Speaker 1: the round. I remember seeing the two steel birds and
Speaker 1: they didn't have steel See. I think I think the
Speaker 1: steel Birds line is actually taken from another profit that
Speaker 1: we're going to speak about a little later. This is
Speaker 1: definitely attributed to Nostradamas at the time, it's completely bunk.
Speaker 1: And that's yeah, that's another thing Nostredamus also, all right,
Speaker 1: so we know that there are some bunk translations. We
Speaker 1: know that there are people who said, yeah, why don't
Speaker 1: I just stick a line about New York in here?
Speaker 1: And so what they end on that thinks, and that's
Speaker 1: why we have Nostredamus. This guy writing in uh the
Speaker 1: fifteen hundreds, allegedly according to the Internet, saying stuff like
Speaker 1: New York the eleventh day of the ninth month. And
Speaker 1: again the way any of these were laid out. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here for
Speaker 1: a moment on the side of someone who perhaps can
Speaker 1: see beyond the veil, for a moment in a fleeting
Speaker 1: glance of something. Imagine that you have no context for
Speaker 1: what New York City looks like or for what a
Speaker 1: city or a building or anything that you're looking at.
Speaker 1: It looks like like, imagine you're getting a glimpse of
Speaker 1: a futuristic city hundreds of years from now, and you
Speaker 1: have no idea what anything is. You don't know what
Speaker 1: the names are, but you see two things that looks
Speaker 1: similar to a plane for sure attacking something. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to me imagining how I would write
Speaker 1: down on a piece of paper or what I was
Speaker 1: seeing if I could somehow see that and and potentially
Speaker 1: a very cool literary device. I can't pick pick it
Speaker 1: out right now, but I feel like I've seen that
Speaker 1: before in a movie or in like a novel, whether
Speaker 1: someone has had a prophecy and they describe it in
Speaker 1: these kind of like, uh, very rudimentary terms, something that
Speaker 1: will happen in the future, which like the Great Turtle
Speaker 1: will rise from the sea, and you know things like
Speaker 1: that where it's like maybe it's like a warship or something.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like cargo cults then that we've talked
Speaker 1: about before. Yeah, cargo cults. People will call, uh, what
Speaker 1: is It's a term that might be somewhat defraugatory. Cult
Speaker 1: can be h for people who are living in isolated
Speaker 1: areas in the Pacific Ocean, isolated islands, and they would
Speaker 1: see cargo dropped and see airplanes for the first time,
Speaker 1: and service members of various wars. There is there was
Speaker 1: within your lifetimes, listener, there there was a active cargo
Speaker 1: cult that worshiped Prince Philip uh and they would build
Speaker 1: towers or radio towers and an attempt to summon these
Speaker 1: things from the sky. Again, well he is kind of dreamy,
Speaker 1: is he. Yeah, but just idea that there's no there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of context for for that group of
Speaker 1: people who have seen something that's beyond their understanding that
Speaker 1: has done something good for them. I thought it's a
Speaker 1: great Yeah. I think that's a great argument. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you make it because we've heard arguments about that in
Speaker 1: biblical text, right. I can't remember if it's I think
Speaker 1: it's Old Testament. Yeah, it's gotta be Old Testament where
Speaker 1: Ezekiel has a vision of what he said learning chariot
Speaker 1: or wheels within wheels, and that description is clearly someone
Speaker 1: trying to be very specific about some but bizarre spectacle
Speaker 1: but not maybe not quite knowing what it is, which
Speaker 1: has led you know, ancient alien people to say that
Speaker 1: it's some sort of visitation extraterrestrial. But that's a story
Speaker 1: for a different day. It is, it is, it is,
Speaker 1: But I just have thrown vi Mona's that's one of
Speaker 1: the coolest things. The the idea of the flying ships
Speaker 1: for an ancient Indian texts, ancient nuclear war hunt. The
Speaker 1: Nazis believed in it. It's also interesting to the way
Speaker 1: you can sort of divide profits up into the into
Speaker 1: two camps. I mean, you have these religious leader profits
Speaker 1: that are communicating with said deities that are in charge
Speaker 1: of whatever faith they represent, and then you have these
Speaker 1: nostre damas soothsayer type profits that are more about looking
Speaker 1: at the big picture. They're not necessarily saying they've got
Speaker 1: a message from God. They're just saying they can see,
Speaker 1: you know, beyond and seeing the future. And they're both
Speaker 1: kind of you know, considered profits, but they have sort
Speaker 1: of have their own little game going on right well.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and in nostri nostradamis as time, it was
Speaker 1: apostasy or denial of religion. Technically it's like this huge crime.
Speaker 1: So it you know, it's it's strange when you think
Speaker 1: about that too, because most of the profits we see
Speaker 1: have or people who believe their profits have some sort
Speaker 1: of spiritual nature. And sometimes it's I'll say it, sometimes
Speaker 1: they believe they have discovered it independently. But that's the
Speaker 1: nicest way to say it. There's another one, since we
Speaker 1: started at nine eleven. Well, yeah, and and since you
Speaker 1: said the Nazis did believe perhaps in the ancient nuclear war? Yes, uh,
Speaker 1: did Nostradamus predict the rise of Hitler and the beginning
Speaker 1: of World War two in the place very near, not
Speaker 1: far from Venus, the two greatest ones of Asia and
Speaker 1: of Africa from the Rhine and Histor they will be
Speaker 1: said to have come cries tears at Malta and the
Speaker 1: Ligurian side Histor. Huh, that sounds pretty close. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think that's what there or
Speaker 1: perhaps Okay, I just have to say it's a it's
Speaker 1: a river, right. Histor is a river, The Rhine is
Speaker 1: a river. They are in Germany, or at least on
Speaker 1: the western side of Germany. The Rhyan is there. And
Speaker 1: then the history, I don't know exactly where. It's the
Speaker 1: Latin name for like the lower stretch of the Danube. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, so that that sounds We're here's just the show, everybody.
Speaker 1: How for these translations can be We've got the original Freendshire,
Speaker 1: which I'm not going to butcher, but then someone else
Speaker 1: translates it. To remember what um, what we just heard
Speaker 1: from Noel earlier? Someone else says, beast wild with hunger
Speaker 1: shall cross the rivers. Most of the fighting shall be
Speaker 1: close by the history. It shall result in the great
Speaker 1: One being dragged in an iron cage while the Germans
Speaker 1: shall be watching over the infant rhyme what vastly? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so what part of that is fabricated? Right? Uh?
Speaker 1: So again, you can read various interpretations of this, especially
Speaker 1: with no stradomics in mind, because there's so many, so
Speaker 1: many translations that are people actually trying to transliterate. I mean,
Speaker 1: the original is so innocuous. It's just it's like in
Speaker 1: a place not far from Venus, like like, how much
Speaker 1: more vague can you be? And then it it gets
Speaker 1: more specific and they will be said to have come
Speaker 1: cries tears at Malta and the Ligurian side. It's just
Speaker 1: so open ended, you know that you can just shoehorn,
Speaker 1: whatever idea you want into that if you choose now,
Speaker 1: is that what you think is happening. I think it's
Speaker 1: what's happening with this other translation that you're talking about.
Speaker 1: And I think, like you say, it's it's if you
Speaker 1: get excited about the idea that maybe this guy really
Speaker 1: did have something, your brain starts to make all these
Speaker 1: leaps and fill in the gaps, and you know, kind
Speaker 1: of like, what is it confirmation bias? Kind of? Yeah,
Speaker 1: this this makes me think about so many other things.
Speaker 1: We've looked at the psychotronics studies in the USSRUH in
Speaker 1: the aftermath of World War Two, the various m k
Speaker 1: ultra type experiments people have tried to conduct with or um.
Speaker 1: Was it stargate with Ingo Swan where people were trying
Speaker 1: to access what they were certain was an extra sensory ability.
Speaker 1: I'm not here to say that that stuff conclusively doesn't exist,
Speaker 1: though it is true that governments have spent a lot
Speaker 1: of money on things that ultimately didn't pan out. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's why we had to do right, we talked
Speaker 1: about this, but with the reason why the United States
Speaker 1: government had to do research into this, Uh, this this
Speaker 1: subject is because it was being done by the other side.
Speaker 1: And if the other side somehow unlocked psychic powers or
Speaker 1: these you know, ways to see through buildings and perhaps
Speaker 1: even move through them, and we didn't have it. Oh
Speaker 1: we're in trouble if they've got X men and we don't.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but okay, I while I get that, it's
Speaker 1: also somewhat disingenuous. And I know this is a bit
Speaker 1: of a different topic. It's disingenuous, uh, at least on
Speaker 1: the part of some members of the military bureaucracy, because
Speaker 1: clearly it's war is good for the winner's economy, right,
Speaker 1: so it's also a way to rationalize more spending. We'll
Speaker 1: watch out this thing. I mean, remember, we live in
Speaker 1: a country where mere decades ago someone said, what if
Speaker 1: we could make a bomb, it would just turn people gay? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what if? Why don't we just try that and let's
Speaker 1: spend a couple Let's spend a couple of mill on it,
Speaker 1: and just see if that's a real thing. All right,
Speaker 1: So we should mention though. One common misinterpretation about Nostradamis
Speaker 1: is that he created all of his work independently. That
Speaker 1: is not true. He pulled there's pretty convincing evidence that
Speaker 1: he pulled from existing literature of his time, histories, things
Speaker 1: like that. So a lot of his work is referential,
Speaker 1: but not necessarily referring to future events. It's referring to
Speaker 1: or alluding to existing works in his time in the
Speaker 1: fifteen hundreds, similar to the way that T. S. Eliot's
Speaker 1: The Waste Land refers so heavily and is so elusive
Speaker 1: in terms of it how it leans on other exists works.
Speaker 1: So some of these prophecies are these translations are more
Speaker 1: amalgamations of other things. He didn't write this all independently,
Speaker 1: and he didn't predict the end of the world the
Speaker 1: Mayan cycle, which itself is kind of based on a
Speaker 1: mistranslation in twelve. Instead, he said his prophecies extend from
Speaker 1: now to the year thirties, seven, nineties seven or something
Speaker 1: like that. That is a long time for now, that's
Speaker 1: a while, a really long time from fifteen five. But
Speaker 1: his major astrological source at the time, Richard Rousseau, said
Speaker 1: that forty two might be a date for the end
Speaker 1: of the world. Uh, I don't remember the arcane logic
Speaker 1: they used, and three seven nine seven minus fifteen fifty
Speaker 1: five when he published the book is twenty two two.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I was gonna say one, that's
Speaker 1: probably a better, better year. It's just so funny because
Speaker 1: when you it doesn't matter who you are. I don't
Speaker 1: care how popular you are among any circles. If you
Speaker 1: just throw out a number like that, I don't know,
Speaker 1: well I'll throw I'll throw out a number for you.
Speaker 1: Um well, I can't. I know this is weird because
Speaker 1: I can't tell you much about the person who told
Speaker 1: me this, but I am convinced by this source the
Speaker 1: world is ending for someone or some group of people.
Speaker 1: Like every every day and every year, there are between
Speaker 1: fifty and two hundred apocalyptic groups who believe that this
Speaker 1: is it is a big finish. And without without being
Speaker 1: disrespectful or dismissing these people's beliefs, I will say that
Speaker 1: there's something inherently narcissistic and self center to assume that
Speaker 1: a thing that existed for thousands of years is going
Speaker 1: to stop that and you show up just in time,
Speaker 1: like civilization itself for right job. I mean, it's there's
Speaker 1: something inherently not selfish but self important about that, and
Speaker 1: so far, the one thing that all apocalyptic groups have
Speaker 1: in common is that they have not accurately predicted the
Speaker 1: end of the world. You know, my favorite end of
Speaker 1: the world um prophecy is what's that? Are you guys
Speaker 1: familiar with the Church of the SubGenius. Yeah, So they
Speaker 1: celebrate this holiday every year in July that called X
Speaker 1: Day and UM. Initially X Day was supposed to be
Speaker 1: the end of the world and was supposed to be
Speaker 1: on July, at which point UM an alien race known
Speaker 1: as the exists or men from Planet X would come
Speaker 1: to Earth and destroy the world and rid the world
Speaker 1: of the quote normals or pinks or Glorps, which are
Speaker 1: the non sub genii that inhabit the planet. But you know,
Speaker 1: as as you know, time time happens, everyone makes mistakes.
Speaker 1: The creators of the Trick of the SubGenius got the
Speaker 1: calendar date wrong and apparently looked at it upside down,
Speaker 1: So it's actually going to take place in the year
Speaker 1: eight six sixty one. Who So that gives them plenty
Speaker 1: of padding, you know, their parties up until the new
Speaker 1: end of the world come. I love I love SubGenius
Speaker 1: because it takes all the wind out of these kind
Speaker 1: of into the world death conspiracies you know, and just
Speaker 1: sort of like it's a very tongue in cheek and
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. Well yeah, I again, you guys
Speaker 1: know that I have a fascination with alternative religious beliefs.
Speaker 1: I guess is the most fair way to dance around
Speaker 1: the word cults. But the thing that fascinates me is
Speaker 1: that there are so many instances where someone predicts the
Speaker 1: end of the world. And you know, apocalypse or an
Speaker 1: apocalyptic event does not necessarily mean the end of the world.
Speaker 1: We use it that in English today, but what it
Speaker 1: means at heart is the revealing of hidden things. So
Speaker 1: that revelation right the end of the world. It's become
Speaker 1: conflated or synonymous in modern speech, but a lot of
Speaker 1: these groups will talk more in terms of a great
Speaker 1: spiritual revelation and when they are wrong, if the date
Speaker 1: comes and it passes, then there's a wealth of a plethora,
Speaker 1: and I am using that word correctly of reasons that
Speaker 1: the thing will have to be adjusted. So kudos to
Speaker 1: the SubGenius Church for moving and giving themselves a little
Speaker 1: bit of a buffer. I hope they make it to
Speaker 1: the eight hundreds eight thousands. Okay, So next is someone
Speaker 1: who might be a deep cut for some listeners. This
Speaker 1: actually might be new to some of you out there,
Speaker 1: and we hope you enjoy it. Let's talk about the
Speaker 1: Nostradamis of the Balkans, as she is sometimes called. Gonna
Speaker 1: have to see her name. Baba Vana, like Baba Yaga,
Speaker 1: the Russian witch of folklore, but Baba Vanga. Born Vangelia
Speaker 1: Pandeva Dimitrova in January nineteen eleven. She was in She
Speaker 1: was born in what was then known as the Ottoman Empire,
Speaker 1: and when she was born she was completely normal until
Speaker 1: the age of twelve. Yeah, and allegedly, or at least
Speaker 1: according to stories, she was blinded during a storm that
Speaker 1: occurred when she was only twelve years old. I almost
Speaker 1: wanted to seem blinded by the light. No, that's messed up, ben,
Speaker 1: and don't do that well. Um, but yeah, So she
Speaker 1: was missing for a number of days. At some point
Speaker 1: she had that kind of mystical thing where she's disappeared,
Speaker 1: but now she's returned. Her eyes were when she returned
Speaker 1: sealed shut, and her family couldn't afford to get them fixed,
Speaker 1: couldn't take her to the doctor or the Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: say the doctor. So she was going to be blind
Speaker 1: for the rest of her life, but yeah, she was
Speaker 1: going to have that sense replaced, at least according to
Speaker 1: her and her supporters. She claimed she began having visions
Speaker 1: during the first few days of her disappearance, and that's
Speaker 1: a super common trope in you know, historical accounts of
Speaker 1: um prophets or sibyls, right, Like, that's a thing, I mean,
Speaker 1: the blind prophet, you know, yes, and mythology and literature
Speaker 1: and also yeah, in history and leaving and not being
Speaker 1: seen for a period of time then returning and then
Speaker 1: this completely changed the new thing. And that goes back
Speaker 1: to Joseph Campbell, right, I was saying when that that
Speaker 1: that period of disappearances when you know, some significant event
Speaker 1: took place and changed the person's perspective wherever. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would recommend Hero with a Thousand Faces or Heroes Journey
Speaker 1: by Joseph Campbell to learn some more of that. This
Speaker 1: happened in real life. She believed that because of her
Speaker 1: visions in her quest, she could predict the future and
Speaker 1: heal people using otherworldly powers, and scientists and government officials,
Speaker 1: not to mention the wealthy, came to visit her for
Speaker 1: advice According to the story, she served as an advisor
Speaker 1: to the Bulgarian Communist Party leaders, who would ask her
Speaker 1: questions to advance their cause. Right in the Great in
Speaker 1: the Great Game of geopolitical intrigue, she was kept under
Speaker 1: surveillance by the secret police, and politicians and businessmen would
Speaker 1: come meet with her. And that I can believe, because
Speaker 1: if your secret police, you want to bug those conversations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even if, even if what she's telling them is completely untrue,
Speaker 1: just having those individuals in a room speaking, Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna bug that if we're in charge. So let's talk
Speaker 1: about her specific prophecies, right. According to The Independent, she
Speaker 1: allegedly predicted the forty four US president would be black.
Speaker 1: Also the last president, which is predictions of who will
Speaker 1: be the last president are distressingly common. Uh And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of them are made up by people
Speaker 1: on the internet. But as well, she is thought to
Speaker 1: have predicted uh nine eleven. And we we have the
Speaker 1: quote from the Guardian here and here's that image that
Speaker 1: seemed to crop up and that was attributed to Notre
Speaker 1: damis horror, horror. The American Brethren will fall after being
Speaker 1: attacked by the steel birds, the wolves will be howling
Speaker 1: in a bush and innocent blood will gush. So clearly
Speaker 1: that steel Birds imagery was pilfered from this and kind
Speaker 1: of connected with some nostradamous lines and then you know,
Speaker 1: thrown out there on the internet. Now, one study, uh,
Speaker 1: one one study says that she was accurate. I have
Speaker 1: a hard time believing this. This game from Dr Georgie Lozonov,
Speaker 1: who is director of the Institute of I'm not making
Speaker 1: this up. Suggest ology and parapsychology and Sophia Bulgaria and uh.
Speaker 1: He said that I like that word suggest ology, suggests ologies.
Speaker 1: Sounds very subgenious, doesn't it. So there's also here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Though this was a legit place at thirty staff members.
Speaker 1: The Bulgarian government was paying for it. They thought that
Speaker 1: a lot of baba Anga's predictive abilities, especially the stuff
Speaker 1: where she was looking for lost relatives and friends, were
Speaker 1: pretty accurate. However, the issue with this is you can
Speaker 1: find it in the methodology. You know. I'll post this
Speaker 1: online if anybody wants to check it out. But we've
Speaker 1: talked before about parapsychology experiments and how easy it is
Speaker 1: to how easy it is to do something that renders
Speaker 1: the experiment unsound. Um Anyhow, there's also the additional side
Speaker 1: note that many of the people who are close to
Speaker 1: bob Avanga during her life claims she never made prophecies
Speaker 1: attributed to her on the Internet. She died in nine teen,
Speaker 1: and she left behind several other alleged predictions for the future.
Speaker 1: Vice has a good Vice has a good article on it,
Speaker 1: and we can check in with that maybe towards the
Speaker 1: close of the show. Well, let's move on, because I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what other people say about Bob
Speaker 1: a Vanka. But we would be remiss if we did
Speaker 1: not talk about another um, another profit or seer that
Speaker 1: you ladies and gentlemen have asked us to check out
Speaker 1: for a while now. Yeah, and it's also getting a
Speaker 1: little bit closer to the present day, which is kind
Speaker 1: of cool. So it's somebody that actually has stuff written
Speaker 1: down about them, perhaps even books that are published with
Speaker 1: English that we will be able to understand readily. Right. Oh, Also,
Speaker 1: our first English speaker that's correct of this of this run,
Speaker 1: and that goes to Mr Edgar Casey. Casey was born
Speaker 1: in March of eighteen seventy seven and passed away in January.
Speaker 1: He had a pretty interesting alien I guess you could
Speaker 1: say which was the sleeping prophet, because he would go
Speaker 1: into these trances, these kind of like fugue states reveries
Speaker 1: when he was diagnosing illnesses or recounting ancient wisdom. We're
Speaker 1: just making these different predictions that that is fascinating to me,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the I would say pop culture
Speaker 1: references to a lot of things where someone will go
Speaker 1: into a trance and then make a prediction like this.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's especially in film, goes back to
Speaker 1: maybe being influenced by this guy. Also some of the
Speaker 1: theatrics of uh, you know, communicating with spirits and the
Speaker 1: seance or something where you know, the medium would sort
Speaker 1: of rock back and forth and enter into this, uh,
Speaker 1: this trance like state and then be inhabited by the
Speaker 1: spirit of a past loved one, you know. As we know,
Speaker 1: a lot of that was you know, largely theater, but
Speaker 1: definitely was a very impactful presentation for folks of the
Speaker 1: time for sure. And as we said before, this guy
Speaker 1: is very well documented, perhaps the most well documented profit
Speaker 1: that we know of, and we even know a lot
Speaker 1: about his history growing up in early life, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can. You can find various different accounts. We'll read
Speaker 1: one from someone who well, we'll read one from Edgar
Speaker 1: Casey on Atlantis, which was which contains several statements about
Speaker 1: his beliefs regarding Atlantis, delivered under his trance, edited by
Speaker 1: the director of the Association for Research and Enlightenment, Hugh
Speaker 1: Lynn Casey, a descendant. And we'll also talk about the
Speaker 1: A R E a little bit too. So the thing
Speaker 1: is that, um, he was supposed to be in his
Speaker 1: waking life, pretty good husband's olive father, uh taught Sunday school,
Speaker 1: pretty nice guy, gifted protect professional photographer, but when he
Speaker 1: was in a trance he became a medical diagnostician, a prophet,
Speaker 1: a proponent of biblical lore. So, even as a child
Speaker 1: in Kentucky, his parents said that he displayed powers of
Speaker 1: perception that seemed to go beyond the five senses. At
Speaker 1: the age six or seven, he told his parents he
Speaker 1: was able to see and talk to visions, sometimes of
Speaker 1: dead relatives. One of my favorite stories about him. His
Speaker 1: parents said that he probably had no overactive imagination, But
Speaker 1: one of my favorite stories is that apparently he was
Speaker 1: able to learn by some sort of strange osmosis Uh.
Speaker 1: Sleeping with his head on school books, he got a
Speaker 1: photographic memory, which helped him advance rapidly in school. This
Speaker 1: faded uh as he grew older, and he was only
Speaker 1: able to complete complete the seventh grade of formal education. Uh.
Speaker 1: So he started to develop a paralysis of the throat
Speaker 1: muscles in and was in his early twenties. Doctors weren't
Speaker 1: able to find a cause for this condition, so they
Speaker 1: try everything. They tried hypnosis too, and then, in desperation,
Speaker 1: Casey apparently asked one of his friends to help him
Speaker 1: achieve the same kind of trance he had used when
Speaker 1: he was sleeping on school books as a kid. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, he uh did the old
Speaker 1: diagnose thyself physician kind of thing, and he got medicine
Speaker 1: and recommended a therapy that restored his voice shored his throat.
Speaker 1: A group of doctors came by and started asking him
Speaker 1: to diagnose their own patients. One thing leads to another,
Speaker 1: really and uh yeah, and he becomes the sleeping profits.
Speaker 1: So when he dies in forty five in Virginia, he
Speaker 1: left well over fourteen thousand documented stenographic records of the
Speaker 1: statements he had given for more than eight different people
Speaker 1: over forty three years. So we got a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff on him. So the Association for Research and Enlightenment
Speaker 1: which we mentioned exists today. It is a nonprofit organization
Speaker 1: founded to facilitate the study of his work. You can
Speaker 1: see their website right now. It's Edgar Casey dot org.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're driving or something, don't don't do
Speaker 1: it while you're driving and see perhaps he has a
Speaker 1: prediction that applies to you, or does he. Because here
Speaker 1: is the thing about Edgar Casey, ladies and gentlemen, he
Speaker 1: because he is so well documented, we also know a
Speaker 1: lot of what he got wrong, not interpretively wrong, but
Speaker 1: factually inaccurate. One example that really sticks out is that
Speaker 1: he said the pilt Down Man was real, the Piltown
Speaker 1: Man being a famous hoax where the jaw of an
Speaker 1: orangutang was combined with the cranium of a modern human
Speaker 1: to argue that there was this evidence of human evolution
Speaker 1: in uh in the area of its discovery, which is
Speaker 1: built down in East Sussex. So Edgar Casey, however, said
Speaker 1: that this was evidence of an Atlantean race or a
Speaker 1: someone who survived in Atlantis or was from Atlantis UH colonizers,
Speaker 1: specifically who had traveled to Britain, and in nineteen fifty three,
Speaker 1: a little bit after Casey's death, it was exposed as
Speaker 1: hopes he read through the Bible entirely each year and
Speaker 1: this helped him reconcile his Christian beliefs with the metaphysical
Speaker 1: stuff he said while he was in a trance. He's
Speaker 1: often called one of the founders of the New Age movement. However,
Speaker 1: critics say that he UH. Critics say that he cribbed
Speaker 1: some stuff from other authors like Carl Young or Elena
Speaker 1: Blovotsky from the Theosophy movement. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: necessarily plagiarism, though. If it is a real trance, people
Speaker 1: might just be free associating, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We've all been in that area between sleep and wakefulness,
Speaker 1: where sleep paralysis occurs and where thoughts spring unbidden. You
Speaker 1: know you're singing a song you love and then realize
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist in the real world and that your
Speaker 1: mind is writing it for you. I'm pretty sure I'm
Speaker 1: there right now, man. So most of the weirder beliefs
Speaker 1: about Atlantis come from Casey. So when you hear people
Speaker 1: talk about fantastically advanced civilization brought to Ruin by meddling
Speaker 1: with strange powers. Some of that comes from Casey, And
Speaker 1: if you would like to learn more about Edgar Casey,
Speaker 1: you can again check out their website Edgar Casey dot org.
Speaker 1: You can also, let's see, I would there are a
Speaker 1: ton of books. Yeah, there are a ton of books,
Speaker 1: but I recommend looking at stuff from that society because
Speaker 1: at least although they definitely are starting with the opinion
Speaker 1: that the guy is correct, h, they're also using the
Speaker 1: actual translations, so you won't run into a nostro damis
Speaker 1: thing where someone made it up. Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So start with the materials from Edgar Casey dot org
Speaker 1: and then maybe move on to another spot, get some
Speaker 1: other books and stuff like that. If you really want
Speaker 1: to deep delve deep into this. I do like the
Speaker 1: head or the header on the pages. Edgar Casey's are
Speaker 1: a r E, which stands for Association for Research and Enlightenment,
Speaker 1: acted since nineteen thirty one. They do have a health
Speaker 1: SWAS center. Did you mention that already? Because you can
Speaker 1: go you can go there. I mean, if you really
Speaker 1: want to get into this head on out. Where is it?
Speaker 1: Where is the main main office? Looks like it's in
Speaker 1: Virginia Beach, Virginia Beach, Virginia, right, that's where he was
Speaker 1: living at the time. I'm gonna have to see what
Speaker 1: the what the scene is like. It would be nice
Speaker 1: to it'd be nice to visit that. Here's another prediction
Speaker 1: that he got wrong. It seems that the US would
Speaker 1: discovering Atlantean death ray, as in a death ray from
Speaker 1: the Law Civilization of Atlantis in nineteen Get it wrong
Speaker 1: or did he been beat me to the punch? We
Speaker 1: don't know at this point. Perhaps sometime we will in
Speaker 1: the future. We do want to end, however, on something
Speaker 1: a little bit different. We're talking about secrets, so let's
Speaker 1: not just talk about another secret. Let's talk about three
Speaker 1: at once, and that would be the three Secrets of Fatima.
Speaker 1: This is a little bit different because it doesn't involve um,
Speaker 1: it doesn't involve lifelong career sort of profits, you know,
Speaker 1: like Agre Casey Nos Tre Damas Baba Vanga spent decades
Speaker 1: uh making predictions. This, however, is this, however, is something
Speaker 1: different that involves apparently divine direct divine intervention. So these
Speaker 1: three young Portuguese shepherds, Lucia Santos primarily and then her
Speaker 1: cousins are visited by an apparition of the Virgin Mary
Speaker 1: several times, starting on the thirteenth of May nineteen seventeen.
Speaker 1: They said they were visited six times between May and
Speaker 1: October that year. Now this apparition is popularly known as
Speaker 1: Our Lady of Fatima. She entrusted the children with three
Speaker 1: secrets in July v Two of these secrets were revealed
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty one at the request of a bishop
Speaker 1: named Jose Alvas Correa del Silva, and he wanted to
Speaker 1: assist with the publication of a new edition of a
Speaker 1: book on one of the cousins. As for the third secret,
Speaker 1: the bishop ordered her to put it and writing. Lucia
Speaker 1: wrote it down, sealed it in an envelope that wasn't
Speaker 1: not supposed to be opened until nineteen sixty, when it
Speaker 1: would quote appear clearer the text of this third secret.
Speaker 1: It was officially released by poop John Paul the Second
Speaker 1: in two thousand or or was it because some people
Speaker 1: claim that it was not the entire secret, and we
Speaker 1: will never know for sure because only a few people
Speaker 1: were actually in control of that information, right. Yeah. It
Speaker 1: reminds me of when we did some of the we
Speaker 1: did some of our earlier episodes on the the Restricted
Speaker 1: Material and the Vatican Archives, because the secret archives the
Speaker 1: Vatican are real, but they're using secret in a different way.
Speaker 1: It's still tricky though, because you can request something if
Speaker 1: you know exactly what you're requesting. Yeah. I feel like
Speaker 1: someone should make a list of all possible things that
Speaker 1: could ever exist and and just submit them daily to
Speaker 1: the Vatican. What what are the what are the secrets? A? Yes,
Speaker 1: great question. Okay, So the first secret is a vision
Speaker 1: of Hell. I've got some of the text. Our ladies
Speaker 1: showed us a great sea of fire which seemed to
Speaker 1: be under the earth, plunged in this fire, with demons
Speaker 1: and souls in human form like transparent burning embers all
Speaker 1: black and there burnished bronze that goes on. The second
Speaker 1: was a statement that World War One would end, along
Speaker 1: with the prediction of another war during the reign of
Speaker 1: Pope Pious. Uh, and then that would happen if Russia
Speaker 1: did not convert to Catholicism. Yeah, So basically one is
Speaker 1: a vision of hell. One is about communist Russia. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then the third one, though the third one, at
Speaker 1: least the way it was published, was that there would
Speaker 1: be an assassination attempt on Pope John Paul the second
Speaker 1: and that's the crazy thing there was, you know. So
Speaker 1: the thing is that there actually was an assassination attempt
Speaker 1: on Pope John Paul, which occurred on the thirteenth of
Speaker 1: May nine one. You can see a video of that
Speaker 1: if you wish, and just head on over to YouTube.
Speaker 1: And people have thought about this back and forth. You
Speaker 1: know that it is actually a prophecy or is it
Speaker 1: just something that would happen because the Pope is up
Speaker 1: there with the US President or other heads of state
Speaker 1: who would be much more likely than the average person
Speaker 1: to have an assassination attempt occur, perhaps even higher because
Speaker 1: of the vitriol that you can have between religions. So
Speaker 1: in June of two thousand, the that I can finally
Speaker 1: release this uh, this secret. But there there have been
Speaker 1: several other people who were involved with it who said
Speaker 1: that um, that the the handwritten four page text is
Speaker 1: not the real secret or not the full thing. And
Speaker 1: they believe that the third secret is actually composed of
Speaker 1: two texts, one of those is the four page published version.
Speaker 1: The other is a single page letter containing the real
Speaker 1: truth and their Italian journalists like Antonio soshi Um who
Speaker 1: say that they have proof that there's a second secret.
Speaker 1: All right, and here's here's just some of the proof. Quickly.
Speaker 1: Uh Lucia Santo says she wrote the message in the
Speaker 1: form of assigned letter to the bishop. The text is
Speaker 1: supposed to contain words attributed to the Virgin Mary, which
Speaker 1: the published one doesn't really the full secret. Bishops working
Speaker 1: with Pope Pious, Pope John and Pope Paul all commented
Speaker 1: that the text was written on one sheet of paper
Speaker 1: for and the full secret, according to these people, contains
Speaker 1: information about the apocalypse, a great apostasy, and Satanic infiltration
Speaker 1: of the Catholic Church. Who and then you would hear
Speaker 1: I remember a couple of years ago you heard a
Speaker 1: lot about, oh gosh, what is the name of the
Speaker 1: pope that is prior to the one we currently have.
Speaker 1: And then after Pope John Paul, the second was Ratzinger
Speaker 1: Ratzing Okay that I remember hearing lots and lots of
Speaker 1: people talking about Ratzinger being this version of these prophecies
Speaker 1: where he had infiltrated in his group had infiltrated, and
Speaker 1: they're evil. That's the thing about prophecies. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: so easy to let your imagination run wild and use
Speaker 1: it to confirm something that you already believe. You know,
Speaker 1: like this Pope feels like an outsider or something right,
Speaker 1: and to be totally to be totally fair here, one
Speaker 1: of the people who served as Vatican Secretary of State
Speaker 1: until two third Team, a Cardinal Bertoni, wrote a book
Speaker 1: called The Last Secret of Fatima and You, published in
Speaker 1: Italian English, and it has an interview that touches on
Speaker 1: this where the journalists, a journalist named Giuseppe Decarli is
Speaker 1: interviewing Um is interviewing the cardinal, and he says, well,
Speaker 1: what about this rumor that you're concealing a one page
Speaker 1: text of the Third Secret that predicts Rome will lose
Speaker 1: the faith and become the throne of the Antichrist And
Speaker 1: the cardinal I just want to read this to be fair.
Speaker 1: The cardinal says, that's absolutely crazy. Are you claiming that
Speaker 1: the prophecy of Fatima is about the apostasy of the
Speaker 1: Church of Rome and Fatima is a prediction of Rome's
Speaker 1: transformation into the throne of the Antichrist, despite the love
Speaker 1: our lady capitalized, our Lady of Fatima has for the
Speaker 1: pope and the popes for our lady. Anyone can write books,
Speaker 1: can based on conspiracy theories, on biased interpretations. Anyone can
Speaker 1: take sentences out of context and present them as clues
Speaker 1: to some supposed plot, to avoid the volt the truth,
Speaker 1: and to transmit it in a code that only the
Speaker 1: initiates can understand. No, the whole theory you allude to
Speaker 1: is a fabrication, and this supposedly factual account is actually
Speaker 1: the sort of device the Mason's used to invent to
Speaker 1: discredit the church. I'm surprised that journalists and writers who
Speaker 1: claim to be Catholic let themselves be taken in strong words,
Speaker 1: really strong words. Who sounds like somebody I don't. My
Speaker 1: brain goes, oh boy, this guy sounds guilty. But well
Speaker 1: he might also just be irritated with having heard that, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I can imagine how irritating that would be.
Speaker 1: But at the same time to fight back that well,
Speaker 1: that's also that's our That's where we're ending, just because
Speaker 1: this is a thing where it's not as far as
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church is concerned. This is not a matter
Speaker 1: of interpretation. This is a true for telling of an
Speaker 1: event before it occurred. And the other three examples um
Speaker 1: k C, Bubba Anga and No Stra Damas are all
Speaker 1: a little bit more muddy m And I know we
Speaker 1: didn't get to everything, but there's so many profits. No,
Speaker 1: but it's sure is interesting to have these prophecies like
Speaker 1: officially sanctioned by such a you know, an important body
Speaker 1: as you know, the Holy Roman Church. It's pretty intense.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of There are a lot of
Speaker 1: interesting things that we could talk about regarding the power
Speaker 1: structure of the Catholic Church, not the faith or religion
Speaker 1: in any way. Uh, we've discussed it a bit in
Speaker 1: the past, but there's just some fascinating things I think
Speaker 1: we got into when we were talking about possessions and
Speaker 1: the it's just some old things that still exist now
Speaker 1: in the Catholic Church. I mean referring to the official exorcise. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that is that is a true and fascinating thing. We
Speaker 1: would like your help, folks. Do you have any profits
Speaker 1: that you would like us to look into in the
Speaker 1: future or prophecies, because we'll tell you right Now, one
Speaker 1: thing in our experience that occurred was that it was
Speaker 1: surprisingly difficult to find some of the actual like the
Speaker 1: what what our some of our co workers would call
Speaker 1: the actual facts translations? Uh and and to separate the
Speaker 1: chaff from the wheat, you know, the internet echo chamber.
Speaker 1: But we would like to hear some more people that
Speaker 1: we should check out. And I gotta ask, I gotta
Speaker 1: ask you guys. I know that we went on some
Speaker 1: tangents and discovered some future episodes we could cover, but
Speaker 1: what do you think about upcoming prophecies? And what do
Speaker 1: you what do you think we had talked about this before.
Speaker 1: Do you think that software and big data will eventually
Speaker 1: be able to do what human beings have been trying
Speaker 1: to do predict disasters and changes, big global changes like that.
Speaker 1: I mean we've I think so. I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: get darn close. I mean, I'm sure there are folks
Speaker 1: are at work at it. Yeah, some of my whole
Speaker 1: professors actually, yeah, oh, the the guy who's making the
Speaker 1: huge map or the simulation. Yeah, that's super cool. Not
Speaker 1: to mention things like predicting trends and you know commerce
Speaker 1: in I mean, that's another world. But that's true. So
Speaker 1: how do we get in on this? Well, if you
Speaker 1: know how to do this, give us a write us
Speaker 1: an email. We'll tell you how to do that in
Speaker 1: a minute. Um right, it's like they'll joke about time traveling.
Speaker 1: Time Traveler Club meets here two days ago. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: meet every every Wednesday or Thursday here, So come join
Speaker 1: us in the you know, in the booth. We will
Speaker 1: allow you to be on here every every time we record.
Speaker 1: Oh man, what are we gonna do if somebody burst
Speaker 1: in and uh Doc Brown style and claims to have
Speaker 1: traveled through time or to have a prediction the future.
Speaker 1: I would hear them out resolutely. I don't see the harm.
Speaker 1: I would give John Teter my seat and give them
Speaker 1: a seat. We could just have them pull up another seat. No, no,
Speaker 1: I just said, hey man, you go in there. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stay out here. There's there's a chair as an
Speaker 1: extra chair. I don't want any I don't know time radiation,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm scared of that stuff. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: we'll we'll table that for future discussion. Barring any unexpected
Speaker 1: time travelers arriving. It's almost time for us to head out.
Speaker 1: Do you guys have any message for the New Year. Well,
Speaker 1: I just want to say we all didn't die in
Speaker 1: September of There were a lot of people and predictions
Speaker 1: being made about something crazy happening at that time, and
Speaker 1: they nothing happened. That's good. Maybe we did die and
Speaker 1: that we're just like on the Lost Island. Oh how
Speaker 1: could you tell? That's kind of cool if this is
Speaker 1: the afterlife. I gotta say, Um, I'm I'm having a
Speaker 1: good time. It's not so bad. It's not as bad
Speaker 1: as I thought. See, maybe we've always been making this
Speaker 1: podcast and we will always be making this podcast. It's
Speaker 1: a flat circle, bro, what about you know? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Apparently you're supposed to eat black eyed
Speaker 1: peas and color greens and it gives you good financial luck.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give that a go. Um, mainly, I
Speaker 1: don't know. No, it's been a good year. Um, still
Speaker 1: fighting this uh this Christmas croud here. So I I
Speaker 1: hope that in the new Year that I don't have
Speaker 1: a cold. I hope so too. Man. You know, I
Speaker 1: was talking to one of my friends recently and she
Speaker 1: said that people were not supposed to eat lobster or
Speaker 1: chicken on the New Year because something about like chickens
Speaker 1: walking or how both animals moved backwards or something. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. I didn't sort it out. But then also
Speaker 1: I have failed often to eat the collar greens and
Speaker 1: black eyed peas both friend of mine just suggested it.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, you just just do it. You have
Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, it's ok. I wonder it's a
Speaker 1: Southern thing, right, hop and John, Like Hop and John
Speaker 1: the Cuban side of my family, we have to eat
Speaker 1: a certain number of grapes right up to the Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff that I have to do.
Speaker 1: That's cool. So there we are, guys. We hope that
Speaker 1: you have adventures in the New Year's If you are
Speaker 1: making resolutions, keep in mind that you are statistically more
Speaker 1: likely to keep a resolution if you make it almost
Speaker 1: any other month. Your birthday is really good for resolutions. January,
Speaker 1: out of all twelve months, is the worst month to
Speaker 1: attempt a resolution. Or don't tell anybody but your diary
Speaker 1: or yourself or whatever it is that you use to
Speaker 1: write down your resolution. Don't tell a single human being
Speaker 1: or make a resolution to start doing something in February.
Speaker 1: Doing it in February, give yourself some breathing like that,
Speaker 1: unlike the third February three third, so you have that
Speaker 1: one day for the first of the second um two days.
Speaker 1: All right, So, folks, we are going to head out.
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Speaker 1: I know we're just honorably mentioned, but still thanks, nerdest.
Speaker 1: It was very nice. It was very It was very kind.
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