Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio, Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is al They called
Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our superproducer
Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you,
Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't
Speaker 1: want you to know. It's the top of the week,
Speaker 1: which means it's time for our strange news segments. Uh well,
Speaker 1: spoiler alert. A lot of things happened as we hurdle
Speaker 1: toward the end of Many folks are excited to celebrate
Speaker 1: the holidays of their choice, and then a lot of folks,
Speaker 1: maybe the more paranoid conspiracy realist in the crowd, are
Speaker 1: thinking doubtlessly of that scene in horror movies where you
Speaker 1: think the monster has been defeated, but then a hand
Speaker 1: shoots up from the grave. Right in the last fifteen
Speaker 1: twenty minutes of the show. So what surprises will this
Speaker 1: month hold? We don't know, but we found three things
Speaker 1: that may not have been widely reported. We've got an
Speaker 1: update on a meme that went viral a series of
Speaker 1: events that are still relatively unexplained. We've got some troubling
Speaker 1: news about surveillance, and we've got a really weird statement
Speaker 1: from a storied former head of a state level space program. So, honestly, Matt,
Speaker 1: I don't mean to throw you under the conspiracy bus here,
Speaker 1: but I'm really interested in this story you found because
Speaker 1: it's it's spooken me a little bit. Sure, Absolutely, we
Speaker 1: can begin here. Pay close attention if you live in Jackson,
Speaker 1: Mississippi in the United States, and also pay close attention
Speaker 1: if you live in any city in the United States
Speaker 1: or any other country that has the capability to run
Speaker 1: lots and lots of video, any video anywhere. So on
Speaker 1: the show, we've talked a lot about CCTV in other
Speaker 1: forms of video surveillance that is used by mostly law enforcement,
Speaker 1: but also private security firms and even households such as
Speaker 1: this one where I live. We've talked about personal security
Speaker 1: and video monitoring with sponsors like Simply Safe and several others,
Speaker 1: and a lot of places that you're going to travel
Speaker 1: to or maybe even live in, have some kind of
Speaker 1: live video feeds of the grounds, exterior usually but many
Speaker 1: times interior as well. And what we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: today is what happens if lawn for Smith has access
Speaker 1: to all of that video, not just video of the streets,
Speaker 1: not just video of public places, interior, um. What if
Speaker 1: it has access to every video feed. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: go to a story from NBC News and this is
Speaker 1: the title of it. Police in Jackson, Mississippi want access
Speaker 1: to live home security video, alarming privacy advocates. So let
Speaker 1: me say that again. Police in Jackson, Mississippi want access
Speaker 1: to live home security video. Okay, So if we're talking
Speaker 1: about home security video, a lot of times we're talking
Speaker 1: about a doorbell camera. Maybe you have one of those,
Speaker 1: or a couple of video cameras around your house, maybe
Speaker 1: looking down at your driveway, maybe in your backyard. Every
Speaker 1: once in a while there's video inside your house, like
Speaker 1: a security camera in your living room or in some
Speaker 1: other commonly used space. Well, this should maybe worry you
Speaker 1: a little bit if you're in the camp of hey,
Speaker 1: don't don't put government in my home anymore than I
Speaker 1: want it to be in my home. But maybe you're
Speaker 1: on the other side and you're thinking, hey, if something
Speaker 1: does go wrong, the police will have a direct feed
Speaker 1: into my house and they'll at least be able to
Speaker 1: see if something is wrong. Those are basically your two
Speaker 1: sides there. Let's get into what this actually means. Okay,
Speaker 1: So according to NBC and some reporting that's being done
Speaker 1: in Jackson, Mississippi, and according to crime rates, there's a
Speaker 1: sharp rise in homicides there in the city, and the
Speaker 1: police are attempting to expand a lot of their powers
Speaker 1: that they already have when it comes to surveillance. So
Speaker 1: essentially crime, it's kind of crime prevention, but it's also
Speaker 1: and mostly getting evidence, video evidence when crimes occur. That's
Speaker 1: really what this is about, being able to prove that
Speaker 1: someone was somewhere when something happened. And what they're trying
Speaker 1: to do is get rebel cameras and all other kinds
Speaker 1: of home security surveillance into the police station so there
Speaker 1: would be a literal live feed of your house at
Speaker 1: the p D. Well, it's just like an opt in
Speaker 1: kind of situation, Like how does that work? There's all, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's all. There's so much to this, um well, some
Speaker 1: of it is going to have to be opt in
Speaker 1: because of the technology because of because of what you
Speaker 1: would have to do. But but this is not like
Speaker 1: a you know, hey, it would be cool if you guys,
Speaker 1: would you know, let us see your home security. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's more of a hey, let's work together and solve
Speaker 1: these crimes and prevent crime. Um, so let's let's just
Speaker 1: talk about some of this. So there is a company
Speaker 1: with whom the police in Jackson, Mississippi are going to
Speaker 1: be working. It's called FUSUS f U s U s Now.
Speaker 1: This is a fascinating company. They're really all about building
Speaker 1: out large security networks and one of the main things
Speaker 1: they focus on is video video feeds and how to
Speaker 1: make how to integrate cameras from all across the city
Speaker 1: into one space, one one platform where police can then
Speaker 1: jump on it and see everything. So there's this thing
Speaker 1: at fusis called a FUSUS Core and that's trademarked by
Speaker 1: the way. And this thing, it's a it's a tiny
Speaker 1: piece of hardware that would actually physically live in a
Speaker 1: space and connect to a network. Now, when you connect
Speaker 1: this thing up, it automatically detects all of the audio
Speaker 1: video feeds on that network. So if you're thinking you're
Speaker 1: a ring camera or you're simply safe camera or something
Speaker 1: like that that is already connected up to your WiFi
Speaker 1: in some way in order for it to be functional.
Speaker 1: This thing, this piece of hardware would just detect all
Speaker 1: of those things then send a separate video feed out
Speaker 1: to the the FUSUS UM it's called fuss one, that's
Speaker 1: the that's the name of their platform, where all of
Speaker 1: these video feeds then get sent to and then a
Speaker 1: you know, police officer or a large group of police
Speaker 1: officers can then monitor all that activity. UM and Jackson, Mississippi,
Speaker 1: isn't the first place to have this idea because FUSTIS
Speaker 1: has been doing this for a while and there are
Speaker 1: about twenty four cities already within the United States that
Speaker 1: have have done this already. Uh, there's a police department
Speaker 1: in Ocoee, Florida that is planning on doing this Minneapolis
Speaker 1: rialto in California. All of these places they are working
Speaker 1: with FUSUS to combine all the videos or a lot
Speaker 1: of video feeds within their cities, but they aren't yet
Speaker 1: taking that move to get home security cameras attached into
Speaker 1: all of these streams. I guess let's just maybe we
Speaker 1: can talk about this for a minute. But the big
Speaker 1: thing for me is this concept as a father and
Speaker 1: as a homeowner. I'm really struggling with it because I see,
Speaker 1: I see the major negatives and the positives. And I'll
Speaker 1: just put this out to you guys. There's this thing
Speaker 1: you can sign up for with one where you can
Speaker 1: register your home and all of the people and animals
Speaker 1: living in your home, and you pre register it with
Speaker 1: nine one. So anytime you play you place a call
Speaker 1: from any of the devices that you've put into there,
Speaker 1: it will automatically recognize who you are and the other
Speaker 1: people around you, and it can recognize if there's an
Speaker 1: emergency situation doesn't require me to say my name is
Speaker 1: Matt Frederick and bla bla blah blah blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah um. It will already have that data up
Speaker 1: with whatever operator answers the phone call for me. That
Speaker 1: to me is something that's really beneficial, even though I
Speaker 1: don't I don't like it that much. I know that
Speaker 1: that's all public information, right who lives at my house,
Speaker 1: where my house is, and all those things that's generally
Speaker 1: public information when it comes to law enforcement. But don't
Speaker 1: you also have the progative to own a home security
Speaker 1: system and not have a hook up to the police.
Speaker 1: But also when you own a home security system, a
Speaker 1: lot of times, at least where I live, you have
Speaker 1: to register that home security system with your your local government,
Speaker 1: so not with your state government, but with your local
Speaker 1: like whatever county you live in. And and that's to
Speaker 1: make sure they are aware when that alarm goes off,
Speaker 1: it both goes to them and they're alerted that it
Speaker 1: is your house and this is who it's registered to
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Um So, really, information sharing with
Speaker 1: law enforcement can be a majorly beneficial thing if something
Speaker 1: bad happens. But at the same time, it feels like,
Speaker 1: much like social media or other places, were just you know,
Speaker 1: willingly giving up some of that private information. And when
Speaker 1: you're talking about a police department in your home or
Speaker 1: and just at your doorstep getting to look at any
Speaker 1: time at whoever comes and goes, it feels like a
Speaker 1: bit of an overstep. But what do you guys think, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be candid. I was having a hard time now erupting.
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure I was listening to Matt
Speaker 1: because I've been familiarizing myself with this story, perhaps not
Speaker 1: to the level, uh, that you're familiar with, but there
Speaker 1: I see three large spheres of conversation here, possibly more.
Speaker 1: The first is the source trusting the source. Right, It's
Speaker 1: no secret that law enforcement agencies and entities at the
Speaker 1: federal and state level across this country have a like
Speaker 1: there's a lack of trust in them, often for very
Speaker 1: good reason objectively, So your question then it becomes one about, um,
Speaker 1: how how willing sure, how willing are people to trust
Speaker 1: fuses which means spindle by the way, but how how
Speaker 1: willing are they to trust local law enforcement, especially given
Speaker 1: the historic missteps that have occurred in so many places
Speaker 1: at so many levels. Secondly, there's the idea that to
Speaker 1: a large degree, uh, this in terms of the in
Speaker 1: terms of law enforcement, this is being advertised to law
Speaker 1: enforcement as a way to help cash strapped local organizations
Speaker 1: and departments. Right, So, to what degree are you comfortable
Speaker 1: with this private public partnership? This seems like it could
Speaker 1: work very well for the reasons you outlined, but every
Speaker 1: single positive that you just outlined can also be arguably delatorious.
Speaker 1: It can be bad for people. The second part I
Speaker 1: would say is that they spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: on their official site fusists. I mean they spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time on their official site talking about opting
Speaker 1: in obligations. What what you the personal creator of this
Speaker 1: information are and are not entitled to. But once you
Speaker 1: participate in this service, while it's still opt in, and
Speaker 1: I don't think this stuff will be opt in forever,
Speaker 1: I think it will turn to opt out eventually, and
Speaker 1: then eventually people will be incentivised to have to have it.
Speaker 1: Just to finish with this thought that the one thing
Speaker 1: that they say that everyone should notice is once you
Speaker 1: can sent to that giving that footage away, it can
Speaker 1: be used as evidence quote during any stage of a
Speaker 1: criminal proceeding, doesn't have to involve you. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of the whole point. Like, um, it's they're building
Speaker 1: a giant web. Like you said, it's a spindle right there,
Speaker 1: taking all of the threads and they're putting it into
Speaker 1: one thing. It is its extremely dark night. Um, but
Speaker 1: you have to imagine it would be like a private business. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's say the local five guys wherever you live, there's
Speaker 1: a five guys burger and fries, and they've got several
Speaker 1: secure prety cameras on the exterior and interior of their
Speaker 1: building or there you know, the room that they rent
Speaker 1: wherever they're leasing that thing, and what they're doing, what
Speaker 1: they would do is get one of these boxes, uh,
Speaker 1: And usually it's either given to them, like for free,
Speaker 1: the box itself is given them for free by the
Speaker 1: police department or by FUSUS itself, or it's you know,
Speaker 1: purchased or subsidized in some kind of way. The box
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. What matters is the subscription fee essentially that
Speaker 1: FUSS charges, which is a five hundred to a thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a year, which sounds insane, but like when you
Speaker 1: think about how many boxes it would require in Mississippi
Speaker 1: if you're gonna rig up the whole the whole place.
Speaker 1: But um, that's how FUSIS makes its money, is the
Speaker 1: subscription service to access to the technology you know, servers
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So at that kind of cost,
Speaker 1: that operating cost essentially for the end user, but usually
Speaker 1: the police department, right because they're the people actually that
Speaker 1: are paying fuses US. Um. I can imagine that it
Speaker 1: will have to be opt in for a while and
Speaker 1: it will have to be you know, directly with the
Speaker 1: police department deciding Okay, we've got it in our budget
Speaker 1: to add x more fusest boxes or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: something to that effect. Just because if you're in a
Speaker 1: city and you've got a local budget, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: you can just drop a thousand dollars per household. I
Speaker 1: bet it would work like this, though, if it becomes
Speaker 1: something where one has to opt out, or it becomes
Speaker 1: something where it's normalized and everybody has this. The way
Speaker 1: it will happen is similar to, uh, the way that
Speaker 1: it will be insurance rates. It will be similar to
Speaker 1: what happened in Ghataga, right, which is excellent sci fi. Right,
Speaker 1: You just you have to you you can be you
Speaker 1: can own your five guys and you don't have to
Speaker 1: have a Fusis or whatever the equivalent is. But your
Speaker 1: insurance rates are going to be much higher than that
Speaker 1: extra one dollars a year. Yeah, and all your buddies
Speaker 1: are like, oh man, you guys aren't too infusis. You
Speaker 1: should really do that. Man, it's gonna save your bottom line, like,
Speaker 1: at least on a yearly basis. It's it's kind of honey.
Speaker 1: It makes me think of this other story that I
Speaker 1: just heard Amazon has this new program they just launched
Speaker 1: in the US called Sidewalk, and it basically like enables
Speaker 1: any Amazon devices UM as bridge devices um. In other words,
Speaker 1: it becomes a router that actually kind of siphons off
Speaker 1: your home WiFi bandwidth and gives it away to other
Speaker 1: nearby Amazon devices, like ones that aren't yours, like rings
Speaker 1: or Echoes or what have you. And it is exclusively
Speaker 1: an opt out situation. And it's so fascinating because it's like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I own an Alexa or whatever Echo Dot that I
Speaker 1: paid twenty five dollars for, but it doesn't it's not
Speaker 1: like some kind of you know, subscriber based thing, and
Speaker 1: I don't pay Amazon for my home internet service, so
Speaker 1: it's essentially like siphoning off this resource that I pay
Speaker 1: for and not really telling you about it. I only
Speaker 1: found out about it through you know, the news. UM.
Speaker 1: I know, these are two kind of different things, but
Speaker 1: it's sort of similar in that it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: can see how this is like beneficial to the company,
Speaker 1: but it's sort of a little bit duplicitous in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways to and to your point, Ben, all
Speaker 1: of the positives have flip sides. Of like eroding privacy
Speaker 1: and making every you know, I mean, we all have
Speaker 1: accepted that we kind of live in a post privacy society,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, okay with that maybe as
Speaker 1: a as a stretch, but like we're aware of it
Speaker 1: and it is what it is. But this just seems
Speaker 1: like really pushing that to a extreme boundary. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, they're already integrated security systems all over the
Speaker 1: city or the town where you live. I guarantee it.
Speaker 1: And if you think about the CCTV systems that were
Speaker 1: you know, they were it's breakthrough technology and the way
Speaker 1: it was integrated in London and a couple other places
Speaker 1: in the UK, and and then in the United States
Speaker 1: we started doing the same thing where just if you're
Speaker 1: in New York City, there's a camera everywhere. If you're
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, in many places, there's a camera everywhere and
Speaker 1: you you probably don't notice them, but they are rolling
Speaker 1: or there at least they can be accessed live. The
Speaker 1: whole point of fuss and this stuff is to get
Speaker 1: every inch of a city covered to where and it
Speaker 1: would be real time video too. It's not like you're
Speaker 1: looking back at camera or tape or something you could.
Speaker 1: This is what they say. Um, we'll be able to
Speaker 1: find a location, draw a circle around it, and pull
Speaker 1: up every camera within a certain radius. If someone's running
Speaker 1: out of a building, we can follow and trace them. Um.
Speaker 1: So how does this interact with mobile devices? You know, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's a great idea right now, it's just I mean,
Speaker 1: why not? Why not? Right now? It's just as you said, Matt,
Speaker 1: the the kind of home surveillance systems that have exploded
Speaker 1: in popularity. I mean, we're we're at a point now
Speaker 1: where you know, for a long time, the most heavily
Speaker 1: surveiled population via video in the world was the United Kingdom.
Speaker 1: They had about one CCTV camera for every five people.
Speaker 1: But those things were not netted together. They weren't fused
Speaker 1: into a spindle. Right, But this changes the conversation. I
Speaker 1: would say, overall, the problem is the same old saw
Speaker 1: who watches the Watchman? You know what I mean? If
Speaker 1: there is, if there is some sort of AI that
Speaker 1: is free from the all two human failings of discrimination
Speaker 1: and corruption, then jolly good, this doesn't sound like a
Speaker 1: terrible idea. But we can't I mean, we can't even
Speaker 1: build AI that's not racist like this hopefully, yes, hopefully
Speaker 1: this could save lives, right, it could help people, it
Speaker 1: could bring criminals to justice. But then I'm also wondering
Speaker 1: how easy is it for maybe and I'm not accusing
Speaker 1: the Mississippi police here, but how easy is it for
Speaker 1: some of that footage to get lost? I mean, we've
Speaker 1: already seen body cameras that are mysteriously broken, uh at
Speaker 1: critical times. I just I don't know, maybe I'm being
Speaker 1: too cynical. The good thing with with a system like
Speaker 1: a ring camera, or simply say for any of these, you,
Speaker 1: as the end user, the person who's purchased it, who
Speaker 1: has it as your home security, you would have a
Speaker 1: backup just saying if there's ever any issue taken up
Speaker 1: like that, which would be good, but it could also
Speaker 1: be really bad, like oh, you've got to backup of
Speaker 1: what happened. Also to your point, Noel, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys caught this, but you know where the
Speaker 1: FUSES platform is hosted, right, It's Amazon Web Services. There
Speaker 1: you go, So Jenny's hands on it, by the way, dude,
Speaker 1: that's that's crazy. But last thing would simply say, for
Speaker 1: any of these and you've got a live camera and
Speaker 1: you you have your stuff registered with your local police department.
Speaker 1: You can choose on your own whether or not you
Speaker 1: allow simply safe or you know, whoever else you're using.
Speaker 1: Is your home security company, you can choose to allow
Speaker 1: them to see your video feeds if an alarm is triggered,
Speaker 1: and that is something that I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people are used to if if something is going wrong, Yes,
Speaker 1: please check to make sure I and my family are okay,
Speaker 1: or my house, like, check and see if someone's breaking
Speaker 1: into my house. Um, this is just it's literally taking
Speaker 1: one step over and saying instead of just my home
Speaker 1: security company, it's my local police department. Now, who's going, Oh,
Speaker 1: let me see what's what's going on in there? That's fine,
Speaker 1: that's just uh oh, he's just eating a peanut butter
Speaker 1: and jelly sandwich. Again, He's just a he's just a
Speaker 1: renaissance fair cause player, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But also think about this, I will advance this newtion
Speaker 1: to you. Um, think about how often you've probably heard
Speaker 1: I don't know, we have different backgrounds, but I've heard
Speaker 1: fairly often from both uh both just non law enforcement
Speaker 1: folks and l eos themselves that if you are in
Speaker 1: a situation, usually driving, But if you were in a
Speaker 1: situation where a police officer wants to write you a ticket,
Speaker 1: the odds are likely that they can find something you
Speaker 1: have done, probably unwittingly wrong, or violation of some code. Uh.
Speaker 1: Is it possible then, that someone could, with the best
Speaker 1: of intentions, sign up for a system like this and
Speaker 1: then somehow find themselves in hot water? Uh, due to
Speaker 1: some retaliatory attention paid to them, if they say, went
Speaker 1: to a lot of protests, if they were politically if
Speaker 1: they were political dissidents and something. I know I'm spinning
Speaker 1: dystopian tales here, but it's a possibility. I will say
Speaker 1: that FUSIS looks like they've anticipated a lot of these
Speaker 1: and have gone out of their way in their official
Speaker 1: literature to address them in advance, which means they're thinking
Speaker 1: of the same things too. Yeah, and I'll leave you. Um,
Speaker 1: I'll leave you with a statement from their chief strategy officer,
Speaker 1: A say Hill Merchant is his name. Uh, this is
Speaker 1: the quote. We're not doing anything nefarious here. We're doing
Speaker 1: this for public safety, not at the cost of people's
Speaker 1: civil liberties or privacy, Because it's all up to the
Speaker 1: individual user. To share and as you said, Ben, until
Speaker 1: it's not up to them and it's compulsory. Oh lord, Well, hey, everybody,
Speaker 1: let's let's think about this, and especially if you've got
Speaker 1: a ring camera or something, go ahead and take a
Speaker 1: look at it, and just imagine being, you know, a
Speaker 1: local police officer just looking at that feed and checking
Speaker 1: it out, making sure everything's okay. Maybe it's not so bad,
Speaker 1: maybe it is. We'd love to hear your thoughts on it.
Speaker 1: And with that we will pause for a word from
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Speaker 1: though maybe not in the way you think. And we
Speaker 1: have returned. Uh, maybe it's a bit misleading for for
Speaker 1: me to have that tease about surveillance, but surveillance in
Speaker 1: an unusual way. I've got a UFO alien update for
Speaker 1: everybody I know. We've got a lot of our fellow
Speaker 1: conspiracy realist in the audience to date who are like me,
Speaker 1: like us, probably continually monitoring the different, uh, different things
Speaker 1: happening in the world of what's called disclosure. Disclosure being
Speaker 1: defined as governments who are large political entities revealing evidence
Speaker 1: of observation by extra terrestrials or at the far end
Speaker 1: interaction with extra terrestrials on December five, just this weekend.
Speaker 1: As we record this, an older professor, Professor kaim A
Speaker 1: said said that he had proof that human beings from
Speaker 1: multiple governments had interacted with aliens, with extraterrestrials, with real
Speaker 1: life creators and writers of UFOs and Professor a Shad
Speaker 1: says that the aliens asked not to be revealed yet
Speaker 1: they said that humanity right, They said that humanity was
Speaker 1: not ready. So obviously if this is true, yes, maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit of a snitche But why is this important?
Speaker 1: Why is this guy saying this important? It's important because
Speaker 1: from nine to two thousand ten, this professor was the
Speaker 1: head of Israel's security space program. He's received the Israel
Speaker 1: Secure the Award three times twice for confidential technological inventions.
Speaker 1: Imagine the awards speech, you know, like thank you again
Speaker 1: for this award. I'll always look back on the time
Speaker 1: I did redacted like that's it was a beautiful time
Speaker 1: in my life. It was a beautiful time in my life.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how long that time was, and
Speaker 1: I can't tell you what we talked about or with whom,
Speaker 1: but he specifically said the UFOs ME and the Aliens
Speaker 1: have asked not to publish that they are here. Humanity
Speaker 1: is not ready yet. Trump was on the verge of revealing.
Speaker 1: But the Aliens and the Galactic Federation, there's a quote
Speaker 1: from him. By by the way, the Aliens and the
Speaker 1: Galactic Federation are saying, wait, let people calm down first.
Speaker 1: They don't want to start mass hysteria. They want to
Speaker 1: first make us saying and understanding. They've been waiting for
Speaker 1: humanity to evolve and reach a stage where we will
Speaker 1: generally understand what space and spaceships are. There's in agreement
Speaker 1: between the US government and the alien They signed a
Speaker 1: contract with us to do experiments here. And it goes
Speaker 1: on and on. I keep going, do the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Just still, I want to hear more. It's too long.
Speaker 1: Too long, we just stopped on that point. You can see.
Speaker 1: You can see a couple of articles about this. Probably
Speaker 1: one of the best is on Jewish press dot com.
Speaker 1: And what's interesting is how explicit this is. Galactic Federation
Speaker 1: feels a little on the nose. And also, these these
Speaker 1: folks can violate what we understand to be the laws
Speaker 1: of physics, but they still have to sign contracts. That's weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when when was the contract signed? Are we talking? Nine?
Speaker 1: Were talking prior talking after? When When did that happen?
Speaker 1: Did they crash Roswell on purpose in order to begin? Uh,
Speaker 1: you know a relationship with the humanoids? What is going
Speaker 1: on here? Galactic federation? What's the plan? That's what I
Speaker 1: want to know. Have we heard this ending before? By
Speaker 1: the way, the Galactic Federation? I mean it sounds a
Speaker 1: little kind of boilerplate, you know, kind of like sci
Speaker 1: fi language, but it brings a bell. Have you guys
Speaker 1: heard Galactic Federation before? Sure, it's super common in different
Speaker 1: works of sci fi over over the decades. Sounds like
Speaker 1: something l Ron Hubbard would have written. It sounds well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing, here's what their aim is. Apparently, according
Speaker 1: again to this professor, the aim is that the aliens
Speaker 1: or the UFOs Is calls them, are attempting to understand
Speaker 1: the fabric of the universe entire and that they want
Speaker 1: human beings as helpers. He also goes on to say
Speaker 1: that there's an underground base in the depths of Mars
Speaker 1: and their representatives hang out there. And he said that
Speaker 1: if I had come forward with what I was saying. Now,
Speaker 1: five years ago, I would have been hospitalized. Wherever I've
Speaker 1: gone with this in academia, they've said the man and
Speaker 1: has lost his mind. And then he goes on to say,
Speaker 1: I have nothing to lose. I've got my awards, I've
Speaker 1: got my degrees. I'm respected in university abroad, and the
Speaker 1: trend of the conversation is changing. I should point out
Speaker 1: he is a D seven, he's retired. This is in
Speaker 1: no way going to affect his career. I'd like to
Speaker 1: be fair and look at the criticism of this. Well first, yeah,
Speaker 1: well before we do that, yeah, I mean, okay, they're
Speaker 1: trying to understand the fabric of the universe. What is
Speaker 1: the universe? Why or why are they here as long
Speaker 1: as long's not a conton blend kind of thing. Well,
Speaker 1: so I'm just want to go with that logic really quickly.
Speaker 1: It's an intelligent species that may or may not, like
Speaker 1: you said, Ben, be able to defive physics in order
Speaker 1: to even travel here unless they were here just a
Speaker 1: long long time ago. And they've been here for a
Speaker 1: long time and just we didn't know um And they're
Speaker 1: trying to understand the universe and they want our help.
Speaker 1: They want these humanoids that are what going through that
Speaker 1: don't understand anything yet. That's why we we aren't useful
Speaker 1: to them yet, right why they can't be whether they
Speaker 1: can't reveal themselves to us, That's what we're saying. It's
Speaker 1: less that humans would be of no help and more
Speaker 1: that like chaos would erupt in the tribe or the species.
Speaker 1: You know, because think about we've said this before on
Speaker 1: this show. If extra terrestrials were proven to exist, for
Speaker 1: mathematically they are, but if they were proven to have
Speaker 1: contact with our species, then our entire existence would be
Speaker 1: defined by three or four main points. One the Big
Speaker 1: Bang to life on Earth, three human life, and then
Speaker 1: four other life like it would be one of the
Speaker 1: biggest things that ever happened, full stop. We have entire
Speaker 1: religious and economic systems that would be completely upended. Dogs
Speaker 1: and cats sleeping together, the end of the world, pandemonium,
Speaker 1: religious wars, ideological wars, resource grabs. It would be very,
Speaker 1: very bad in the short end, Bill Pithy, where it
Speaker 1: might be upending. Yeah, because some problems. What's that arrival,
Speaker 1: That's a good one that really kind of shows the
Speaker 1: geopolitical ramifications of like you know, disclosure, Uh, and in
Speaker 1: a much more realistic way than say Independence Day. Sure,
Speaker 1: and it's been explored a lot in science fiction. I
Speaker 1: just wonder why they didn't choose I wonder why they
Speaker 1: didn't choose a moment when Star Trek was at a
Speaker 1: speak or something that's like not the Enlightened Galactic Federation,
Speaker 1: like thinking from humanity. I guess the most that there's
Speaker 1: ever been around that time when Mass Effect came out
Speaker 1: the video game. My god, how many kids and uh
Speaker 1: adults were playing Mass Effect when when that came out.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm wondering why now, I guess or what
Speaker 1: they're waiting for. Maybe it's the leaders, political leaders, religious leaders. Well,
Speaker 1: there's there's some interesting speculative stuff here. So one of
Speaker 1: the big assumptions that our species makes, because we're very
Speaker 1: very self centered, you know what I mean, as individuals
Speaker 1: and as a species, we make this assumption that technology
Speaker 1: would be discovered, deployed, or developed along a somewhat common
Speaker 1: predictable path. Right. So, uh, for a lot of people
Speaker 1: believe there's some sort of extraterrestrial contact that's already occurred
Speaker 1: in the past, such as many uthologists probably also this professor,
Speaker 1: if he's being sincere, the big pivotal moment for alien
Speaker 1: observation came with the discovery of nuclear technology in our
Speaker 1: in our species, on our planet. And it is completely
Speaker 1: possible maybe that somehow, no, no member of the Galactic
Speaker 1: Federation figured this out before, and they're just like, great,
Speaker 1: now we have we have monkeys with guns. That's what
Speaker 1: we have. I totally I remember talking about that before.
Speaker 1: We've you been with there being a reason that that
Speaker 1: was the time with with nuclear weapons and technology. Maybe
Speaker 1: this is the thing that U is going to change
Speaker 1: the game. Maybe the aliens have been using these things
Speaker 1: to look at us all and to study us with
Speaker 1: social media and uh maybe maybe they're not based in
Speaker 1: any kind of uh form like this uh squishy form.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they're more metal and algorithms or maybe there
Speaker 1: have you have you heard of something called the ground
Speaker 1: Crew Project? I have not. What is the ground Crew Project?
Speaker 1: The ground Crew Project is a UFO religion started in
Speaker 1: the eighties based in California, Hawaii, UM which later kind
Speaker 1: of segmented. I'm just reading this from like a very
Speaker 1: basic Wikipedia entry, which later segmented into ground Crew and
Speaker 1: the Planetary Activation organization UM. A gentleman by the name
Speaker 1: of Sheldon Nittle founded it and started posting online in
Speaker 1: but they claim their their goal is to prepare humanity
Speaker 1: for large scale first contact between Earth and the Galactic
Speaker 1: Federation UM. And that's something they believe is an extraterrestrial
Speaker 1: organization that will aid in transformation of some kind of
Speaker 1: the human race. And members in the group believe that
Speaker 1: they're all situated in key roles to kind of act
Speaker 1: as liaisons between uh, these extraterrestrials and the people of Earth.
Speaker 1: And I'm surprised that this didn't come up in this
Speaker 1: uh in this discussion. Well again, you know, Galactic Federation,
Speaker 1: to your point, to you guys points earlier, is a
Speaker 1: very it seems it feels like it would be a
Speaker 1: very common name for works of sci fi. So I'm
Speaker 1: not surprised bet that just like an Internet search of
Speaker 1: Galactic Federation will show multiple things, right from from fiction
Speaker 1: and from the real world. I haven't heard of this
Speaker 1: ground Crew project yet, UM, but just looking at it now,
Speaker 1: it seems like they've made one misstep that a lot
Speaker 1: of these groups make, which is they made predictions that
Speaker 1: did not come to pass, which is a blow to credibility.
Speaker 1: But you can't get everything a right all the time,
Speaker 1: as we can assure you haven't done this podcast for
Speaker 1: so long. I do want to going back to Professor Chad.
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't mention that because he's not aware of it.
Speaker 1: It's quite possible, certainly, But I want to give two
Speaker 1: big arguments against his statements here. The first argument is
Speaker 1: a little bit of a jaded political argument and people
Speaker 1: who do not care for the current outgoing president of
Speaker 1: the US, Donald Trump, and he said, look, you had
Speaker 1: me until you said that Donald Trump knew about it,
Speaker 1: because there's no way he would have kept a secret.
Speaker 1: Hither hear there? Uh? And then there's the other. There's
Speaker 1: the other argument, which is that this interview, these interviews
Speaker 1: occur in conjunction with advertisements for his forthcoming book The
Speaker 1: Universe Beyond the Horizon conversations with Professor him as shed
Speaker 1: so that's those might feel like blues to credibility. Also
Speaker 1: the fact that he had, like many people, he has
Speaker 1: a clandestine background in intelligence agencies, So there are going
Speaker 1: to be people who say that he's still part of
Speaker 1: the program, that he's just like a false flag distracting
Speaker 1: from things but I don't know, what do you guys think.
Speaker 1: Do you guys think he might be legit? Just based
Speaker 1: on the information you have, I'm kind of with you, Ben,
Speaker 1: that does seem like there's a little self interest going
Speaker 1: on here, And just really quickly in terms of pop
Speaker 1: culture use of Galactic Federation, it is in fact the
Speaker 1: nemesis of Rick and Morty in Rick and Morty, and
Speaker 1: it's also the governing body in the Metroid universe of games.
Speaker 1: Nice nice to answer your question, Ben, This gentleman, he
Speaker 1: is seven. He does have a doctorate in aeronautical engineering.
Speaker 1: He has been with the I d F and in
Speaker 1: the intelligence division. He's been in research and development for
Speaker 1: the military. I don't know, Man, I tend to feel
Speaker 1: like someone someone of this caliber isn't going to come
Speaker 1: out and attempts to steal some money from me for
Speaker 1: his book by saying something extraordinary, you know, like because
Speaker 1: that's really what it would be. It would be give
Speaker 1: me some money. Here's something crazy. It's also like if
Speaker 1: if he truly doesn't believe it, it seems like with
Speaker 1: those kind of bona fides, he wouldn't discredit himself in
Speaker 1: that way purposefully. But given his age. Is it amy
Speaker 1: possible that he's having some dementia or something as well,
Speaker 1: or some kind of you know, psychological issues as a
Speaker 1: result of aging, And it's a fair question. Unfortunately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the guy is I mean, he's worked in development
Speaker 1: of weapons infrastructure like satellites. But but it's bona fides.
Speaker 1: But it's a person who has access to space essentially
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. When he's thinking about it,
Speaker 1: and and I mean think about that, it's not I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, but it feels it feels like there
Speaker 1: might be something there. And then what does what does
Speaker 1: My other thing is what does helping mean? Like if
Speaker 1: we throw out all tools of critical thinking and we
Speaker 1: just accept what he's saying is fact and we say
Speaker 1: he's sincere, he's talking about something that really happened. There
Speaker 1: are aliens. They have contacted um members of the upper
Speaker 1: echelon of our various weird class systems, and they want
Speaker 1: our help. How much can we actually help them? It's
Speaker 1: kind of like, Hey, we need to put together this
Speaker 1: uh ikea cabinet. It's called the universe, and you know
Speaker 1: it's going to be the perfect people to help us
Speaker 1: with this. These uh these fleas that also happened to
Speaker 1: be in the box when we opened it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, and I know that's a derogatory
Speaker 1: way to look at both fleas and human beings, but uh,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I have a lot of questions. But I'm
Speaker 1: keeping an eye on this because there's also that great
Speaker 1: point about credibility. We see this happen in academia all
Speaker 1: the time. Being really smart at one thing does not
Speaker 1: automatically make you correct at everything else you believe, right,
Speaker 1: or with everything else you believe, But it does. It
Speaker 1: is strange how quickly the Ivory Tower will toss somebody
Speaker 1: out and say, you know, forget these decades of brilliant
Speaker 1: work you did. You're you're a charlatan and a fool. Now,
Speaker 1: so let us know what you think. Is it a
Speaker 1: plug for a book? Is it just a somehow pr
Speaker 1: or is he legit? I think he believes what he's saying.
Speaker 1: I just don't know if what he's saying is factual.
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Speaker 1: And okay, look, I'm not trying to be a dead
Speaker 1: horse here. Uh to use a very unpleasant metaphor. I
Speaker 1: don't want people even say that who beats dead horses?
Speaker 1: That's a horrible thing to do. But I've been a
Speaker 1: little hung up on this model, that story a because
Speaker 1: it's genuinely a fun kind of mystery in the face
Speaker 1: of all this awfulness that is going on, you know,
Speaker 1: in the world, and it, you know, I think it's interesting,
Speaker 1: even if it's just like a kind of a what
Speaker 1: is like a performance art kind of installation thing done
Speaker 1: in secret by an artist who his past or if
Speaker 1: some thing bigger than that, I don't know. I I
Speaker 1: do like the discussion around it. And yet a third
Speaker 1: monolith has appeared UM somewhere between it's like equidistant between
Speaker 1: San Francisco and l a um a town by the
Speaker 1: name of a Tascadero, beautiful, beautiful town UM in northern California.
Speaker 1: A monolith appeared on top of Pine Mountain there in Atascadera.
Speaker 1: Again very similar that triangular kind of shape, very polished,
Speaker 1: silvery steel uh pillar looking thing, clearly done by the
Speaker 1: same person or someone influenced by this this person UM
Speaker 1: and this one has a pretty heavily documented event that
Speaker 1: led to it being removed UM and defaced. And it's
Speaker 1: very interesting because you can see this story kind of
Speaker 1: come together in real time. There was a streaming video
Speaker 1: posted UM by a group that took a five hundred
Speaker 1: mile round trip road trip together from southern California to
Speaker 1: Tascaderow and all wearing you know, like kind of camo gear.
Speaker 1: They even had night vision goggles and they're streaming the
Speaker 1: whole thing. They're streaming like their drive, even their stops
Speaker 1: to like get Monster Energy drinks. UM. And they're clearly
Speaker 1: kind of a fundamentalist Christian group UM who have very
Speaker 1: right leaning political views and also even like go so
Speaker 1: far as to to talk about like how they were
Speaker 1: sent by Donald Trump himself and Q from Q and
Speaker 1: on who many people in that circle believe is Donald
Speaker 1: Trump or adjacent to Donald Trump. UM. And the whole
Speaker 1: time they're talking about that, we're talking about how the
Speaker 1: monolith is satanic in some way. They referred to it
Speaker 1: as a pagan monument, and then in the same breath
Speaker 1: say that it is you know, an alien um sign,
Speaker 1: you know. But then they also go so far as
Speaker 1: to say they don't want aliens from Mexico or space
Speaker 1: coming to leaving weird monoliths on mountaintops. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: they they they they hike all the way to the
Speaker 1: top with their night vision goggles on and they get
Speaker 1: to the monolith, um and they, you know, with some
Speaker 1: great kind of trouble that they go to end up
Speaker 1: tearing it down. Uh, and they replace it with a
Speaker 1: wooden cross, all the while chanting Christ as Lord, Christ
Speaker 1: as Lord. It's very eerie, it's very cult like. Um.
Speaker 1: Something about it is troubling to me. And even spokespeople
Speaker 1: from the city were very troubled by it because they
Speaker 1: referred to it kind of the same way that I
Speaker 1: was thinking about. It's like, this is an interesting mystery
Speaker 1: that's hurting no one, is just adding to some interesting
Speaker 1: positive thinking surrounding all the nasty things that are going
Speaker 1: on in the world right now. Um. And they do
Speaker 1: not appreciate these interlopers coming, you know, from far far
Speaker 1: away to do harm to what they seem to feel
Speaker 1: was a positive tourist destination or a positive you know
Speaker 1: feature for their for their small town. So I don't know, Um,
Speaker 1: there's more to unpack here, but uh, it's it's very interesting. Um.
Speaker 1: Had to length people will go to to destroy something
Speaker 1: they don't understand. I don't know. Yeah, and this is
Speaker 1: weird because you know, one thing we can't say is
Speaker 1: that those those guys are losing the fight because there
Speaker 1: was already another monolith reported on the Aisle of White
Speaker 1: I believe. And then just as like actually as we
Speaker 1: were recording this, a another monolith popped up at Joshua
Speaker 1: Tree National Park I think, And that was like seven
Speaker 1: in teen minutes ago as we record this, and it
Speaker 1: was what is going on a lot of marketing? Did
Speaker 1: you guys read about this group called most Famous Artist
Speaker 1: or the most famous Artists? That they're the ones who uh,
Speaker 1: they're they're how I found out about Joshua Tree. Actually, well,
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more about it. These are
Speaker 1: new to me, And do you think this is an
Speaker 1: organized effort because they were saying that the one, the
Speaker 1: original one in Moab likely was there for years. And
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if these are all copycats after that initial
Speaker 1: you know media pop that when that one viral? Are
Speaker 1: people then are these also being discovered and could have
Speaker 1: potentially been there for longer? Likely not there they weren't
Speaker 1: in his remote places clearly, But what I'm wondering what
Speaker 1: you guys think, Yeah, not all of them were there
Speaker 1: for years. But the uh, the folks Most Famous Artists,
Speaker 1: despite sound having a singular name, is a group of
Speaker 1: like minded artists and they have a really interesting statement
Speaker 1: about this. They have an Instagram that you can follow,
Speaker 1: and they have photos of monoliths that they seem to
Speaker 1: admit they have created. And one of them has the
Speaker 1: caption you mean it wasn't aliens Monoliths as a service
Speaker 1: dot com with dashes in between there. So let's let's
Speaker 1: we're doing this live. Let's see if it goes anywhere.
Speaker 1: It didn't open up for me. It just went to
Speaker 1: a like It just redirects to the most Famous Artists
Speaker 1: dot com and they're selling an authentic alien monolith for
Speaker 1: forty five grants. They're based in Santa fe. Uh. But
Speaker 1: the the statement that I thought would stick out for
Speaker 1: you guys. The guy who founded Most Famous Artists or
Speaker 1: purports to a follow named Maddie Moe, spoke with Mashable
Speaker 1: about this and said, quote, I'm not able to say
Speaker 1: much because of the legalities of the original installation. I
Speaker 1: can say we are well known for stunts of this nature,
Speaker 1: and at this time we are offering authentic art objects
Speaker 1: through Monoliths as a service. Monoliths as a service, that's great. Wow,
Speaker 1: will there be a bummer if it all was just
Speaker 1: a really elaborate ad campaign to sell over priced art
Speaker 1: in Santa Fe. Well, what price can you put on art?
Speaker 1: You know? Oh, they're sold out. Somebody bought it and
Speaker 1: they put it up in California because the one in California?
Speaker 1: Have you do we describe what it looks like already? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I found it to be similar. It's maybe a little skinnier.
Speaker 1: But but mag go right ahead, how would you characterize
Speaker 1: it as being any different or similar to the other ones? Well,
Speaker 1: I think I'm looking at the same one. I mean,
Speaker 1: it looks almost exactly like the other one. To be ye,
Speaker 1: that's what I described at the top, making sure we
Speaker 1: weren't looking at different stuff. Yeah, I agree to the
Speaker 1: point where maybe they were made in batches, but at
Speaker 1: the same facility. You know, again, like we joke about,
Speaker 1: you know what priced art, but like you know, you
Speaker 1: could argue these are pretty basic structures. Like conceptually they're fascinating,
Speaker 1: but if you know how to do metal working like
Speaker 1: this is, it's certainly Paul been very shiny, but it
Speaker 1: is just a three sided metal object. It's a little
Speaker 1: bit more like style over substance in some ways. It's
Speaker 1: more the placement that that gives it kind of power.
Speaker 1: In my opinion. Show me one made out of pure obsidian,
Speaker 1: unmovable by human human hands, and it puts off like
Speaker 1: a certain frequency that when you get close to it,
Speaker 1: it like brings you to your knees. Dude, I want
Speaker 1: to monolith that will stem the deluge of monolith memes.
Speaker 1: That's that's the power why I love them. Keep them coming.
Speaker 1: I saw the other day it look like a toblarn,
Speaker 1: and then there was one that looked like the sidebar
Speaker 1: in a photoshop. And then I saw another one that
Speaker 1: looked like an iPod uh touch or one of those
Speaker 1: skinny iPods that they used to have. What it's called,
Speaker 1: um you know the ones look like a thermometer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying, I've seen those. People keep sending
Speaker 1: them to me. Feel free, not tokay a fan of monoliths.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no no, It's just like being a
Speaker 1: fan of donuts doesn't mean you eat two hundred in
Speaker 1: a city. For a lot of people, it's a good
Speaker 1: point you make, But but this is this is an
Speaker 1: ongoing story. To your point, now, we we still have
Speaker 1: an absolute answer yet do we We like it's it's developing.
Speaker 1: As we were recording this episode today, I'm leaning towards
Speaker 1: elaborate publicity stunt for selling more monoliths. There we go,
Speaker 1: a monolith Ponzi scheme. I like it. It's wild, but uh,
Speaker 1: there is actually kind of a cool twist here. Just
Speaker 1: found when I was kind of googling around looking for
Speaker 1: more information on the City of a Tascadero, I found
Speaker 1: a local news report from k s B Y News,
Speaker 1: California's Central Coast headline steal monolith back on Pine Mountain
Speaker 1: in a Tascadero after being removed, uh, And it would
Speaker 1: appear that the officials with the City of A Tascadero
Speaker 1: have confirmed as of Saturday that the monolith is back
Speaker 1: on a hiking trail the top of Pine Mountain. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if like the crew that tore it
Speaker 1: down or replaced it with a cross just ditched it
Speaker 1: somewhere and then some locals spotted it and found it
Speaker 1: and hucked it back up the mountain and you know,
Speaker 1: put it back in the ground. But you can't get
Speaker 1: rid of his monolith that easy. I would. I would
Speaker 1: argue it's ten ft tall too, and it has to
Speaker 1: be pretty heavy. I wonder if it's hollow or if
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, pure like like you know steal
Speaker 1: through and through. But yeah, um is there in northern
Speaker 1: San Louis Episbo County and uh, you can go see
Speaker 1: it because it's back. And let us know what other
Speaker 1: strange monolists you find. I gotta go on record. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm too thrifty, but forty five grand I don't want
Speaker 1: it to be hollow. I wanted to think the same
Speaker 1: real and heavy as hell or heavy as steal. Uh.
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