Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is all they called
Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super producer,
Speaker 1: pauled Mission Control Decond. Most importantly, you are you, You
Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want
Speaker 1: you to know. It is the second episode in our
Speaker 1: two part series on the secrets of the Founding Fathers,
Speaker 1: a subject that's been on the minds of many people
Speaker 1: or a number of centuries now. In our previous episode,
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about dead presidents, not the not
Speaker 1: the hip hop group they were all big fans of,
Speaker 1: but the the the actual presidents of the US and
Speaker 1: the Founding Fathers, some of whom were never president, such
Speaker 1: as you know Matt Um, Alexander Hamilton's right, never President
Speaker 1: Ben Franklin, never President George Mason. But they did They
Speaker 1: did a lot of tremendous, tremendous work creating the United States,
Speaker 1: and for a long time they were deified, perhaps to
Speaker 1: an extreme degree, uh, and people didn't talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: the hypocrisy of slavery or the uh, you know the
Speaker 1: nature of their membership and Masonic lodges. There's still a
Speaker 1: lot of little known myths, facts or factoids about the
Speaker 1: president's um. So maybe we start there. Here are the facts, Matt.
Speaker 1: If if someone hasn't listened to episode one, what's what's
Speaker 1: some of the crazy stuff to learn? Well, a lot
Speaker 1: of the Founding fathers were white men. No wait, yeah,
Speaker 1: they all were. Um. They many of them owned slaves
Speaker 1: or had in uh a close relationship with the practice
Speaker 1: of chattel slavery. That was a big deal. We definitely
Speaker 1: talked about freemasonry, about how the values that that Freemasonry
Speaker 1: puts forth have a lot of similarity with what ended
Speaker 1: up in the Declaration of Independence and a lot of
Speaker 1: the other major documents that went into creating the thing
Speaker 1: called the United States. And a lot of were members. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the French Revolution. Right, there's a lot of commonality there. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's there are a couple other just fun things before
Speaker 1: you get to the really weird stuff today. The Founding
Speaker 1: fathers themselves probably never heard the phrase the Founding fathers,
Speaker 1: which makes sense, But Founders was probably in there somewhere.
Speaker 1: We're the we're the Founders. Yeah, yeah, but it's like
Speaker 1: that's the kind of title you probably shouldn't give yourself,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But yeah, they probably they
Speaker 1: probably did say that a couple of ales in at
Speaker 1: the public house Sam Adams. Did they drink Sam Adams?
Speaker 1: There is actually a really great brand of ale I
Speaker 1: think out of Michigan called Founders. It's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: That's very true. I had one the other day. Hey, look,
Speaker 1: hey sponsorship Founders were here, wouldn't it be nice? No,
Speaker 1: it's a really good question. Do you really think they
Speaker 1: like coined themselves the founders or that seems like the
Speaker 1: kind of thing that the press would have to w like,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a pretty serious self aggrandizing statement. Well,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're hanging out at the Masonic lodge
Speaker 1: in secret, or the thing that would become the Masonic
Speaker 1: Lodge years down the road. Uh, you know, I can imagine, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: we hear all the founders of this great nation, not
Speaker 1: just the founders, Matt, the founding fathers. They sired this
Speaker 1: country from their very loins. Well, The earliest record we
Speaker 1: have of that phrase being used is actually it doesn't
Speaker 1: occur until nineteen sixteen, at least in documents. Warren G. Harding,
Speaker 1: who is a Senator at the time and you know
Speaker 1: later goes on to be president himself, talks to the
Speaker 1: Republican National Convention and he's like, you know, YadA, YadA YadA,
Speaker 1: the Founding Fathers. And this was his work with Nate Dog.
Speaker 1: This was also the first time he had ever said YadA, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 1: you know, which later is referenced in Seinfeld. That's just
Speaker 1: these are just historical facts. So his when he said
Speaker 1: founding Fathers in nineteen sixteen, he's talking about, like the
Speaker 1: earlier point you had made on the previous episode, Matt,
Speaker 1: He's talking about everybody whoever fought in the American Revolution
Speaker 1: and participated in any way in the Constitution as well
Speaker 1: as the Declaration of Independence. So he wasn't talking about
Speaker 1: the seven or eight people that often honed in on
Speaker 1: as founding fathers. He doesn't. He's not really even talking
Speaker 1: about John Hancock. And John Hancock, by the way, I
Speaker 1: know why more people don't talk about this. Uh, he's
Speaker 1: famous for his autograph, right it's very large, showy, it's
Speaker 1: like six inches. He was a smuggler. That was his job.
Speaker 1: That's like if if we were starting a nation and
Speaker 1: we were like, hey, let's get that. Do you know
Speaker 1: that guy who sells drugs like down down by the Kroger,
Speaker 1: we should get him in on this. Well, but that
Speaker 1: was a bankable skill at the time. Hamilton the Musical
Speaker 1: has anything to say about it. Right, you're right, You're right.
Speaker 1: I'm being unfair because it's a way to get around
Speaker 1: the British tax system. Really, he's more like the trafficker, right,
Speaker 1: he's the supplier of the drugs in a way, or
Speaker 1: the guy who's getting him across the Yeah, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the plug. That's a very good point. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: not the he's not the corner guy. But are a
Speaker 1: ton of misconceptions, and I one thing I like is
Speaker 1: that a lot of them are pretty have been busted
Speaker 1: such that their common knowledge. Now, George Washington may have
Speaker 1: cut down trees in his life, but he certainly did
Speaker 1: not cut down a cherry tree as a child and
Speaker 1: then say I cannot tell a lie. Uh, it's such
Speaker 1: a weird story. He also didn't have wooden teeth. You
Speaker 1: have fake teeth, but they were up wooden. They were
Speaker 1: hippopotamus teeth. Is that correct? That wouldn't a k a
Speaker 1: sea horse teeth? Ah, that makes sense. Okay, and let's
Speaker 1: see what what what else we know? Oh, the signatures
Speaker 1: on the Declaration of Independence were kept secret. That is
Speaker 1: true initially, not because there was some conspiracy, although I
Speaker 1: guess from the British perspective it very much is a conspiracy. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. If the if this document had been found,
Speaker 1: and if they had not won the war, then there
Speaker 1: lie would be at risk. Absolutely. So those are Those
Speaker 1: are just some of the facts. And there are some
Speaker 1: fantastic innumerable actually books and podcasts and documentaries, musicals and
Speaker 1: so on about these things. But what we wanted to
Speaker 1: do today is explore the crazy, unproven stuff, some of
Speaker 1: the weirdest allegations you will hear about these founding fathers
Speaker 1: of this country. Here's where it gets crazy. It's the
Speaker 1: ten dual commandments. Uh wait, nope, that's not what we're
Speaker 1: doing here. Um, that was great, that was great. Let's uh,
Speaker 1: let's jump in and yeah, talking about the the crazy stuff,
Speaker 1: the unproven stuff, the stuff that's fun to think about,
Speaker 1: but may not have much sand to it, but maybe
Speaker 1: a couple of greens. As we discussed that Pearl last episode,
Speaker 1: this is something It reminds me a lot of the
Speaker 1: Paul is Dead theory that we discussed before with Paul
Speaker 1: McCartney and the Beatles. Uh. There is there's a theory
Speaker 1: roaming around out there that George Washington the founding father,
Speaker 1: I mean, the one that he was assassinated at some
Speaker 1: point and replaced with someone else. Happens all the time,
Speaker 1: happens all the time. Yeah, it's it's tough. It happened
Speaker 1: at our job earlier, just just a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1: But let's like get into that Easter egg so body doubles.
Speaker 1: We know that happens, right, That's happened and is possibly happening. Now.
Speaker 1: What's interesting about this theory is not just the idea
Speaker 1: that Washington was assassinated and replaced, but who replaced him.
Speaker 1: That's that's the weirdest part, all right, Yeah, shall we
Speaker 1: get into some Illuminati uh discussions here, That's what this
Speaker 1: whole thing is about, baby, I think so, yeah, John
Speaker 1: Johan actually Adam Weiss helped uh founded the Order of
Speaker 1: the Illuminati. It is a thing on May first, seventeen
Speaker 1: seventies six, and he was big into the rising trend
Speaker 1: of secret societies. UM. But they were often used as
Speaker 1: a way to kind of break away from the status
Speaker 1: quo a little bit and promote freethinking UH and freedom
Speaker 1: and equality actually um and as we've seen with for example,
Speaker 1: the Vatican did not care for Freemasons UM in in
Speaker 1: Europe and actually outlawed members of the Catholic Church from
Speaker 1: becoming members of the Freemasons. Similarly, monarchies did not care
Speaker 1: for these either, specifically the Order of the Illuminati. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And we had discussed the reasons why both monarchies and
Speaker 1: UH and the Vatican dislike the Order of the Illuminati.
Speaker 1: And of course why shops argument here for the Order
Speaker 1: of the Illuminati is uh, let's see, the best way
Speaker 1: to say it is he announced it as though it
Speaker 1: were a resurrection of an older thing, right, So his
Speaker 1: argument was always this dates back into antiquity. But you're right,
Speaker 1: May for seventeen seventy six, that's when he that's when
Speaker 1: he founds the Order of the Illuminati. But he founds
Speaker 1: it in Bavaria. Bavaria, Yes, because he is German. Would
Speaker 1: you come into play later he is German? If the
Speaker 1: name didn't give it away, definitely, Vati Vadi German. First
Speaker 1: of all, just before we keep going, isn't that interesting
Speaker 1: that as a nation was being birthed, this guy wise
Speaker 1: up decides to found the stinking Illuminati, Like the same
Speaker 1: in seventeen seventy six. What a version of the Illuminati,
Speaker 1: I would say, But you're right, you're right, it's weird.
Speaker 1: It's a big a year for history, and he's in Bavaria,
Speaker 1: as you said. But eventually he's exiled because the power
Speaker 1: structure rejects things like freedom and equality order things that
Speaker 1: are espoused by the Order of Illuminati. And the gist
Speaker 1: of our conspiracy theory here is that instead of living
Speaker 1: in exile, as all historians agreed this guy did, he
Speaker 1: traveled to the United States to spread the secret doctrine
Speaker 1: of illumination across the land. And in seventeen eighty five,
Speaker 1: the story goes wy Shopped assassinated George Washington and replaced him.
Speaker 1: Just to point this out, Okay, Washington's official death occurs
Speaker 1: on December sevent and it's still kind of mysterious. He
Speaker 1: was sixty seven years old. He had a brief illness.
Speaker 1: He lost forty of his blood. Oh and then he
Speaker 1: died all right, in a twenty one hour period. How
Speaker 1: have I never heard of this before? Of his blood?
Speaker 1: Was he being like blood let like as like a
Speaker 1: remedy to care? What ailed him? That's what happens when
Speaker 1: you get assassinated, dude, you lose at least your blood.
Speaker 1: At least I thought it was. He might have been
Speaker 1: in on the blood trade, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and somebody came to collect. But I want to want
Speaker 1: to mistake you. You're saying, these are the circumstances of
Speaker 1: his actual death or these are the purported circumstances of
Speaker 1: his supposed death, actual death, sexual death. Yeah, so he was.
Speaker 1: He fell ill and died over twenty one hour period
Speaker 1: in because he was being bled. It was a common
Speaker 1: medical practice. Okay, not super successful medical practice, but super common.
Speaker 1: He they bled him like think a total His personal
Speaker 1: doctor led him once, and then more doctors arrived and
Speaker 1: led him four more times over the next eight hours,
Speaker 1: and that's how he lost all the blood. He also,
Speaker 1: by the way, uh gargled a mixture of molasses, vinegar,
Speaker 1: and butter. Uh he did several other things, but he didn't.
Speaker 1: By late afternoon he knew that he was on the
Speaker 1: way out. And his last words are, I am just
Speaker 1: going have me decently buried. Do not let my body
Speaker 1: be put into the vault less than three days after
Speaker 1: I am dead? Do you understand me? Tis well, and
Speaker 1: then died. And he died. But was it him or
Speaker 1: was it Adam wy Shopped? Had had this guy come
Speaker 1: from Bavaria and sort of done, Um, what's that show?
Speaker 1: The Americans done? Kind of a sleeper agent thing and
Speaker 1: replaced the president of the United States. Well, that's okay.
Speaker 1: We do know the founding fathers were aware of Johan
Speaker 1: Adam y Shot. They even wrote about him. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1: Jefferson um speaks of him in a letter to Madison
Speaker 1: where he says that VISs Hopped was an enthusiastic philanthropist,
Speaker 1: um of outstanding moral character. And they seemed to to
Speaker 1: to dig this guy. He was. He was popular amongst
Speaker 1: the fathers. Yeah, we talked about how important Thomas Jefferson
Speaker 1: and James Madison were as Founding fathers, and it's interesting
Speaker 1: to note that they were definitely on board with this
Speaker 1: guy or at least, uh found took an interest with
Speaker 1: him and found him to be an upstanding fellow. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, man, Let's keep going. It
Speaker 1: just feels, it feels Let's keep going, all right. Well,
Speaker 1: I do want to point out that while I think
Speaker 1: we were much more than fair with Thomas Jefferson in
Speaker 1: the previous episode, uh, he did originally just reminded of this.
Speaker 1: He did originally have a ban on slavery in the
Speaker 1: in the initial documents of the US, but he remove
Speaker 1: those bands because he thought they wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: get support from delegates and slave owning areas, and also
Speaker 1: he owned slaves. It was a huge hypocrite, but but
Speaker 1: he liked Adam Wi shopped, Vy shopped, and there there's
Speaker 1: some other things here. It's something we had talked about earlier.
Speaker 1: Even if this guy, the founder of the Order of
Speaker 1: the Illuminati, did seek to spread these new World Order views,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have been pushing for anything that was super
Speaker 1: wild to the founders of the United States. They were
Speaker 1: on board with a kind of stuff that, uh, at
Speaker 1: least the Illuminati on paper supported, like the values have
Speaker 1: a lot in common with Masonry, self determination, freedom from
Speaker 1: religious dogma, et cetera. If anything, the Illuminati is just
Speaker 1: a little more extreme on the religion stance. I think
Speaker 1: the Masonic thing is something like they're acknowledge a higher
Speaker 1: power or something like that. That's all you must do it.
Speaker 1: It matters not what you what dogma you place on.
Speaker 1: It is just that you you, yeah, acknowledge that something
Speaker 1: greater than you exist, and you are essentially a part
Speaker 1: of that plan or part of that thing. What separated
Speaker 1: it from the Freemasons, Like why bother starting all brand
Speaker 1: new secret society? Was there something about Freemasonry that advice
Speaker 1: help didn't like? That's a good question. One one of
Speaker 1: my initial cynical answers would be that people for some
Speaker 1: reason love to start their own thing instead of helping
Speaker 1: existing things, like you see it in the world of
Speaker 1: charity all the time. So one tries to start a
Speaker 1: charity when they're already you know, eight other things who
Speaker 1: have been doing it for a long time and could
Speaker 1: use the help. But of course these things don't occur
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. So it is it is likely that
Speaker 1: he knew about it, But it's also possible, and I
Speaker 1: haven't dug into this is just my speculation. It is
Speaker 1: also possible that he was trying to circumvent perhaps a
Speaker 1: ban on freemasonry that's happened in the past. Uh, But
Speaker 1: that that may be something we dive into in another episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll definitely dive into it in another episode. I just
Speaker 1: wanna point to one thing written by the Bavarian Illuminati
Speaker 1: of kind of what they stood for, and this is
Speaker 1: something they wrote in their general statutes. Uh. The order
Speaker 1: of the day is to put an end to the
Speaker 1: machinations of the purveyors of injustice, to control them without
Speaker 1: dominating them in interesting, So use your tendrils to control things,
Speaker 1: but don't let anyone know that that tendril is their influence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so a hidden hand. That makes sense. But there's there's
Speaker 1: one big thing people are forgetting when they talk about
Speaker 1: this assassination theory. Yeah, it's it's a cool, crazy story.
Speaker 1: I would watch the feature film when Nicolas Cage about this.
Speaker 1: He would play both Why Shot and George Washington obviously up.
Speaker 1: But the problem is Why Shot is from Germany. He
Speaker 1: has a very thick, noticeable German accent. This is attested
Speaker 1: in other contemporary writings. It's like thicker than a bowl
Speaker 1: of oatmeal. Shout out to anyone who gets the reference.
Speaker 1: If we are being charitable, it is highly unlikely that
Speaker 1: this guy would have been able to kill George Washington,
Speaker 1: you know, put on the wig or whatever and seamlessly
Speaker 1: slip into that character. People would have noticed because he
Speaker 1: talked of people, you know what I mean. He wasn't
Speaker 1: emailing votes, so I would say this is not true.
Speaker 1: But there's a crazy thing we're going to explore even
Speaker 1: crazier than this, that is absolutely true and should terrify you.
Speaker 1: We'll get to it after work from our sponsor. Imagine
Speaker 1: there's no heaven, no heaven. I don't have to imagine that.
Speaker 1: Just well, that's I mean that that's where Thomas Jefferson
Speaker 1: was accused of being philosophically. During the election, there were
Speaker 1: these crazy rumors. You think elections are weird and propagandistic,
Speaker 1: Now these were nuts. Uh. These rumors spread that Thomas
Speaker 1: Jefferson was secretly an atheist, which used to be a
Speaker 1: very bad thing. Yeah yeah, yeah, very very bad. Uh.
Speaker 1: And they and pupil will say his opponents were saying,
Speaker 1: you know, Thomas Jefferson wants to be president, not because
Speaker 1: he cares about this country. He only wants to be
Speaker 1: president to ban religion. He is an enemy of God.
Speaker 1: He is infiltrating this, uh, this holy office in this
Speaker 1: holy place. Most people would say, I mean, that's the thing. Though,
Speaker 1: Jefferson wasn't a Jefferson hated churches, maybe not religion, but
Speaker 1: he was super not down with churches. Most people today
Speaker 1: would describe him as a non denominational theist. So kind
Speaker 1: of interesting is that sort of like being um not agnostic? Yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't agnostic where you recognize that there is some sort
Speaker 1: of higher thing but you don't know what to call it.
Speaker 1: You mean, like the like the basic police of Freemasonry
Speaker 1: and the Illuminati. Uh. Agnosticism is more saying that you
Speaker 1: can It's like leading no contest to the question of God. Right,
Speaker 1: So you're you're not. You're you're saying that you cannot
Speaker 1: you do You're essentially saying you do not have the
Speaker 1: information necessary to make informed uh the conclusion. So you're
Speaker 1: not you're not you're not You're not discounting it entirely though, Right,
Speaker 1: it's just say I don't know, you're leaving the door
Speaker 1: open for for like, you know, if you are one
Speaker 1: day blessed with that wisdom. Then okay, cool, I hedged
Speaker 1: my bets. I think that, Yeah, what do you think
Speaker 1: do you think agnostics when they meet St. Peter at
Speaker 1: the gates? You didn't they get a pass? Didn't they
Speaker 1: get in? You didn't deny him? You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Cath h him. It's to prove that he's even there. St.
Speaker 1: Peter's chilling somewhere by some gates. Maybe I was wonder
Speaker 1: why they were pearly. I think that it just felt
Speaker 1: like a fancy material with it. Maybe they're just pearl
Speaker 1: like encrusted, you know, because it's pearl. Wouldn't be a
Speaker 1: particularly good gate material, you ask me, I don't know
Speaker 1: what their budget is. You, um, what if they really
Speaker 1: are ivory and Heaven's got this thing with rhinos and
Speaker 1: they have counterfeit gates, Heaven is canceled you guys? Uh man,
Speaker 1: we got it well. Well. Other people thought about this, No, no,
Speaker 1: I can bring us back. Other people thought about this.
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson. The weird thing about calling him an atheist
Speaker 1: is that he thought often about matters of faith and religion.
Speaker 1: He wrote what's called the Jefferson's Bible. In a stunning
Speaker 1: display of humility, and it's the Jefferson Bible. Is well,
Speaker 1: it's called I think the official title is The Life
Speaker 1: and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, and there are no
Speaker 1: copies around today. But essentially what he did is a
Speaker 1: cut and paste process of a new Testament, and he
Speaker 1: took out all the stuff that he thought was like
Speaker 1: super now troll or miraculous. So it's just Jesus Christ
Speaker 1: as a good and normal dude doing good and normal things.
Speaker 1: So that's the guy. He also was like a what
Speaker 1: is it? He believed in a watchmaker god, the idea
Speaker 1: that there is some divine force that sets reality or
Speaker 1: realities in motion and just sort of, you know, called
Speaker 1: it a day and the rest is up to us.
Speaker 1: These are radical and highly offensive ideas to a lot
Speaker 1: of people, but they're still not as bad as being
Speaker 1: an atheist and becoming the president. I mean, you would
Speaker 1: be hard pressed to be an atheist and win the
Speaker 1: election now. In so how did he respond to this
Speaker 1: these accusations. He did what every politician does. Sits him
Speaker 1: because it worked out for him. You play along, you
Speaker 1: kind of cave a little bit, you go to church,
Speaker 1: even if you don't have those personal beliefs and you
Speaker 1: espouse that maybe you do, or you you you know,
Speaker 1: you stand in front of a church that shuttered, didn't
Speaker 1: hold a Bible up to take some pictures. It's literally
Speaker 1: what what I'm saying is you you play the game.
Speaker 1: And that's what politicians do in all things, and especially
Speaker 1: when it comes to religion, and that's exactly what Thomas
Speaker 1: Jefferson did. It's a little harder to stomach, though, when
Speaker 1: the person playing the game is so clearly not that
Speaker 1: thing at all. Well, Jefferson wasn't either, I know, but
Speaker 1: he was smart enough to like put on a good front,
Speaker 1: put on a good show. At least he probably like
Speaker 1: memorized a few passages out of the Bible and could
Speaker 1: quote them properly and you know, didn't mispronounce the names anyway.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Moving on, Well, he did win the election, yea,
Speaker 1: it were. Do you think this was the first example,
Speaker 1: like in American like politics of this type of pageantry.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's probably tail as old as time, right,
Speaker 1: you know, we can extrapolate and go back to you know,
Speaker 1: the times of anarchy's that the United States was fighting
Speaker 1: against in establishing itself. We've been and I talked about
Speaker 1: it a little bit last episode, just about the control
Speaker 1: structures of that, how control is maintained and the way
Speaker 1: you control people was by like the Illuminati wanted to
Speaker 1: the Bavarian Illuminati, and and why shopped you control through
Speaker 1: influence through structures and institutions like churches. That's a tough
Speaker 1: thing to square, especially if you're a believer or like
Speaker 1: a true believer, um that that we can be influenced
Speaker 1: and controlled through things that are largely positive in our
Speaker 1: lives like churches. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And also to be
Speaker 1: absolutely clear here, we're not dinging on religion. We're saying
Speaker 1: that we're saying that Thomas Jefferson, whatever his personal beliefs are,
Speaker 1: was he was at the very least against the dogma
Speaker 1: of organized religion, but he sucked it up and he
Speaker 1: played the aim to become the president. And when he
Speaker 1: became the president, he did not ban religion. He he
Speaker 1: just wanted to maintain a separation of church and state,
Speaker 1: which seems normal now but was very controversial at the time.
Speaker 1: And uh, the question about performative acts, performative religious acts
Speaker 1: is interesting because we don't know folks inner motivations or
Speaker 1: their inner beliefs. At this point, they would have to
Speaker 1: write it down right in an explicit way. That's why
Speaker 1: we know some stuff about Thomas Jefferson. So do you know,
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's unfair to ascribe personal beliefs
Speaker 1: to people if we don't know what they are. But
Speaker 1: we do know that, we do know that he didn't
Speaker 1: ban religion. So this conspiracy theory is debunked, we can say.
Speaker 1: But there's another one that I think is interesting. M M,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: The title of this is, Uh, the Boston Tea Party
Speaker 1: was an opium heist. You guys ever heard of that one? Nope?
Speaker 1: I saw it on the sheet and I was like,
Speaker 1: that is not something that I was taught in history class.
Speaker 1: What's the deal? It involves another secret society, this time
Speaker 1: the Sons of Liberty, the precursor of the Sons of Anarchy,
Speaker 1: and the Boston Tea Party really set off on December sixteenth,
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy three, three years there before the official founding
Speaker 1: of the US and this was it was a protest right,
Speaker 1: it was I guess you could say, an attack in
Speaker 1: a way it was, Yeah, it was an attack. Um,
Speaker 1: and it's known as the Boston Tea Party. This was
Speaker 1: a response, as we've talked about on this show before.
Speaker 1: I think maybe we haven't gone into full detail, but
Speaker 1: there's this thing called the t Act which had to
Speaker 1: do with imports of tea from China and was this
Speaker 1: thing that we have for sure talked about on this show,
Speaker 1: the British East India Company. Oh yeah, And again there
Speaker 1: a couple of slightly complicated things having to do with
Speaker 1: taxes and how essentially teriffs, like how how taxes were
Speaker 1: levied on some of these goods for the colonists. And
Speaker 1: it's a thing we can get into if we really
Speaker 1: really want to, but ultimately it's, you know, we're having
Speaker 1: to pay a lot of taxes that the citizens didn't
Speaker 1: feel they should be paying. And it empowered, Uh, it
Speaker 1: empowered this corporation. Yes, like the Dutch East India Company,
Speaker 1: British East India Company, these are sort of a harbinger
Speaker 1: of corporations to come, and they are immensely powerful. They're
Speaker 1: also they're also not restrained by laws in the way
Speaker 1: that many other corporations are, at least in paper today.
Speaker 1: So one h which effect this will have on the
Speaker 1: American colonies is that it threatens the smuggling trade John
Speaker 1: Hancock's stuff. I know they're messing with their messed with
Speaker 1: johns with Hancock. Nobody messes with John and so this
Speaker 1: makes people furious. The Sons of Liberty also, by the way,
Speaker 1: founded by Sam Adams. If they're if they're gonna sponsor us,
Speaker 1: we'll just keep doing Sam Adams fact facts. It's a
Speaker 1: beer not quite good enough to drink with your mouth,
Speaker 1: and it's a beer for what really talking about Samuel
Speaker 1: Adams is wonderful. Oh you're just saying that there's like
Speaker 1: seventeen varieties that I've tried. I do think that's cool.
Speaker 1: I think this season those stuff is cool. I'll admit it.
Speaker 1: They did they do the pumpkin ones, right, isn't that
Speaker 1: the thing that Sam Adams does. They do a seasonal
Speaker 1: like a pumpkin spice. Old Old Fezzy Wig is one
Speaker 1: of the best beers. Is that really the name Old Wig?
Speaker 1: Who is? What? Was he? Is he in the Christmas Carol?
Speaker 1: I think? So hold on now, I need to make
Speaker 1: sure that I'm saying that right. I hope I hope
Speaker 1: that he's a lesser known Sons of Liberty member. There's
Speaker 1: Old fezzy Wig who was instrumental in this. It is
Speaker 1: it's called Old fezi Wig. So there you have it, folks,
Speaker 1: Old Fezziwig recommended by none other than Matt Frederick wholeheartedly, right, Matt,
Speaker 1: without reservation, I think so so so you're right though,
Speaker 1: that smuggling is a big thing. It's a big industry
Speaker 1: and it thrives. The smuggling industry thrives because of the
Speaker 1: taxation system imposed by the British. So a threat to
Speaker 1: that is a threat to people's livelihoods. And so a
Speaker 1: group of people, some disguised as Native Americans, boarded three
Speaker 1: ships in Boston Harbor. As we said on December six,
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy three, they dumped officially three and forty two
Speaker 1: chest of tea into the ocean. This cost the British
Speaker 1: East India Company the equivalent of about a little more
Speaker 1: than two million dollars in today's terms. But the conspiracy
Speaker 1: is that they dumped the tea and they took something else,
Speaker 1: because again, the Sons of Liberty are in the like
Speaker 1: they move in circles with smugglers, and they're smuggling associates.
Speaker 1: Knew there was more precious cargo aboard opium, which should
Speaker 1: be familiar to anybody's heard our previous episodes British East
Speaker 1: India and Opium. Uh in in the opium trade in China. Wow,
Speaker 1: I mean it would make complete sense if the tea
Speaker 1: is coming directly from China via the East India Company
Speaker 1: of Britain um that there could be other cargo aboard
Speaker 1: that ship that was not on any manifest that wasn't
Speaker 1: recorded and you know, left to history, like you said,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't written down, we don't know. And if
Speaker 1: it's if it's secretly on that ship and then was taken,
Speaker 1: it just would happen and we'd have no record. Huh. Well,
Speaker 1: that would be a smart move. Dump the t take
Speaker 1: the opium, because you could sell that, right, it's immensely profitable. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's actually it's it's immensely profitable. It's immensely dangerous, but
Speaker 1: it's a it's a way to move a lot of
Speaker 1: money quickly. Uh. Because people might not donate to your revolution,
Speaker 1: but they'll buy opium. So so the pieces are there.
Speaker 1: We don't have proof, we just have a series of
Speaker 1: like circumstantial interesting things, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: together they they make for a tatalizing possibility. But we
Speaker 1: don't know, Matt. We don't know whether they through the
Speaker 1: t and took any opium. We don't know if any
Speaker 1: opium was aboard. But then again, that's the thing. If
Speaker 1: it's a smuggling situation, then you can't trust the manifest
Speaker 1: right interesting curious or and curious or But we don't
Speaker 1: know for sure. Perhaps one day in the future, newly
Speaker 1: uncovered documents will spilled the tea on this case. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, you know, and it is fascinating. I've never
Speaker 1: thought about opium in colonial America. I know that the
Speaker 1: United States after it was founded, I mean, I want
Speaker 1: to say, I want to probably I think it's about
Speaker 1: a hundred years after America was founded, there was quite
Speaker 1: a bit of an opium crisis in the United States
Speaker 1: because it was you know, it was a medicinal thing
Speaker 1: at the time that doctors would carry with them and
Speaker 1: would give you a tincture of it essentially if you
Speaker 1: required it. But the abuse of it as a narcotic,
Speaker 1: as a drug, I know nothing about in that time,
Speaker 1: you know, like pre eight hundreds, fascinating stuff. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know, I think we're not taught a lot about
Speaker 1: the US relationship with opium. It's it's an old one.
Speaker 1: The first millionaire officially in the US is a guy
Speaker 1: named John Jacob Astor. Yeah, he died in eight but
Speaker 1: the way he became so wealthy, it's entirely due to
Speaker 1: the opium trade. We also know that going back to
Speaker 1: the Mayflower in the sixteen hundreds, some pilgrims we're probably
Speaker 1: carrying opium. Especially there's a physician named Samuel Fuller and
Speaker 1: he probably had laudanum with him as a doctor. And
Speaker 1: during the American Revolution, opium was a comm in medical tool.
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson even used it later to treat his his
Speaker 1: his chronic diarrhea. But it would not be unusual to
Speaker 1: see opium in the in colonial America. Would this be
Speaker 1: opium that you would smoke or was it essentially just
Speaker 1: like laudanum was like a tincture, right, or like you
Speaker 1: could even put it on a rag right? Or Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I I can't. I can only really speak
Speaker 1: to the medicinal stuff. Um. We know that people were
Speaker 1: like Thomas Jefferson even ended up growing poppies in Monticello. Eventually,
Speaker 1: opium or opiates became a common ingredient in multiple products
Speaker 1: in like I would say more of the eighteen hundreds
Speaker 1: or so, but I don't know. I don't know about
Speaker 1: recreational use in particular, so we would have to have
Speaker 1: more proof of something for the opium high st to wore.
Speaker 1: So instead of saying this is debunked, all it kind
Speaker 1: of is. Instead of saying this is true what you
Speaker 1: don't have proof for, I want to pitch it to
Speaker 1: you guys as a film, the Boston Opium Heist. This
Speaker 1: is good. This is a good idea. You shouldn't pitch
Speaker 1: this on the podcast. That's a really good idea. Well,
Speaker 1: we get like an Ocean's eleven kind of vibe and
Speaker 1: ensemble heist film h and then you in order to
Speaker 1: get France's support. It's something that greases the wheels like opium.
Speaker 1: There we go, conspiracy. I love it, I love it,
Speaker 1: but it is not true. We're gonna pause for word
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Speaker 1: you a conspiracy theory that is very true and very
Speaker 1: disturbing and should kind of scare you all. Right, we're back.
Speaker 1: So imagine, fellow conspiracy realists, you are with us, and
Speaker 1: as Matt said, the room where it happens. We're making
Speaker 1: a new nation. We're building a new, really weird system
Speaker 1: of government. We're working live. No one's tried this before,
Speaker 1: so we want to learn from the mistakes of the past,
Speaker 1: but we also want to pay attention to the stuff
Speaker 1: that worked. This leads us to the situation. The Continental
Speaker 1: Congress found itself in massively dysfunctional group, lots of competing interests.
Speaker 1: They're not on the same page about stuff, and they're
Speaker 1: also not efficient. They have an issue, like they one
Speaker 1: of their big issues is paying people. There are a
Speaker 1: ton of veterans who have fought in the war and survived,
Speaker 1: some with you know, lifelong injuries, and they're not getting
Speaker 1: paid because the government doesn't have the money to give them.
Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe they spent it all on opium. I'm kidding. Uh.
Speaker 1: The the this leads a guy named Daniel Says, a
Speaker 1: veteran two rally the Vets into something called the Sha Rebellion.
Speaker 1: The Sha Rebellion. Yeah, this was a group of Vets
Speaker 1: led by Daniel Shays, like you said, and they were
Speaker 1: not happy because they basically won the war and they
Speaker 1: weren't paid a nickel um. And this made the leaders
Speaker 1: of the United States very anxious because they needed something
Speaker 1: to kind of strengthen their executive power. And the most
Speaker 1: powerful executive position they knew of was a king, and they,
Speaker 1: you know, certainly were not trying to style themselves in
Speaker 1: the image of a king. That was sort of the
Speaker 1: whole point. Um. But John Adams actually wrote, quote, hereditary
Speaker 1: monarchy or aristocracy are the only institutions that can possibly
Speaker 1: preserve the laws as well as um. You know, they
Speaker 1: were not huge proponents of the idea of unbridled democracy
Speaker 1: early on. Um. And this followed his inauguration as vice
Speaker 1: president when he even designed a system that used something
Speaker 1: resembling a hereditary monarchy, only it was a hereditary legislature,
Speaker 1: and he had the notion of appointing the president for life. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's what they wanted, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: and think about what they just experienced with George Washington.
Speaker 1: I mean, he won the war or with you know,
Speaker 1: with the help of everyone else, he won the war,
Speaker 1: that's my quotes, um. And then he stayed in power
Speaker 1: for quite a while, and he was considered a good leader.
Speaker 1: He was trusted by people, in respected by people, and
Speaker 1: there was you know, the rebellion rebellions against him, and um,
Speaker 1: the opinions against him were fairly good, I would say,
Speaker 1: across the board, even even though you know, he wasn't
Speaker 1: loved by everyone, he could keep people in line and
Speaker 1: he had enough respect to do so. Yeah, so she's rebellion.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's a terrifying thing to these guys, because
Speaker 1: we're talking about around four thousand, like battle trained and
Speaker 1: tested people who said, don't tread on me. We're not
Speaker 1: going to take it anymore. This, this is what what
Speaker 1: on earth were we fighting for? Right? Uh? And they
Speaker 1: have valid claims, they have valid problems, so we have
Speaker 1: to crack down this. This might surprise a lot of
Speaker 1: people to learn that many Founding fathers were so pro monarchy,
Speaker 1: but it should be even more surprising that these Founding
Speaker 1: fathers conspired against the nation they had created, which was
Speaker 1: very anti monarchy. Right, A lot of the what Pulpe
Speaker 1: would call the common people. Uh. In sevent six, the
Speaker 1: President of the Continental Congress, Nathaniel Gorham, decided they were
Speaker 1: going to pitch European Royalty on becoming the King of
Speaker 1: the United States. So Gorham writes to Prince Henry, who
Speaker 1: is the younger brother of Frederick the Great, the Prussian
Speaker 1: king at the time, and in this letter, which is
Speaker 1: a real letter, it's lost now, but it really happened,
Speaker 1: they invite Henry to go across the pond and become
Speaker 1: King of the United States of America. And they said,
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna You're gonna be head of a
Speaker 1: constitutional monarchy. We've modeled it on the English system because
Speaker 1: that's what we understand. Is that not a little hypocritical, uh,
Speaker 1: more than a little yeah, But it's just odd that
Speaker 1: that was the solution. And and maybe it was just
Speaker 1: to have a crown someone you know, have a crown
Speaker 1: and the money associated maybe to stave off or in
Speaker 1: the power. I I just don't understand the thinking. Maybe,
Speaker 1: and I personally need to do some more reading on it,
Speaker 1: and I highly recommend you listening to do the same,
Speaker 1: because that is a puzzling concept. Well, I also don't understand.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that there was such a like, you know,
Speaker 1: focus on a monarchy esque form of government, considering that
Speaker 1: this was all a product of rebelling against the monarchy,
Speaker 1: and you know, been to your point in the idea,
Speaker 1: I know how you hate you know, political dynasties, which
Speaker 1: at the end of the day are sort of a
Speaker 1: modern form of monarchy you know, by a different name,
Speaker 1: but it functions very much the same um. Not to
Speaker 1: mention the idea of like Supreme Court justices that are
Speaker 1: appointed for life, we do have some things that resemble
Speaker 1: some of those, you know, forms of government. And considering
Speaker 1: that all of this again was like a rebellion against
Speaker 1: those systems, I think it's fascinating that there was such
Speaker 1: a you know, early push towards making it a lot
Speaker 1: like the thing they had rebelled against. Right, right, That's
Speaker 1: that's the issue. They should bother you if you live
Speaker 1: in the US. The only reason we don't have a
Speaker 1: king now is because of what Henry said. To be
Speaker 1: blunt about it, Henry turned down the job. That's why
Speaker 1: we didn't end up with the king. He was invited
Speaker 1: to be king, and he said, I'm good. I know
Speaker 1: what Americans due to kings. So actually we have the
Speaker 1: quote he said, the Americans have shown so much determination
Speaker 1: against their old king that they would not readily submit
Speaker 1: to a new one, smart guy. So the delegates in
Speaker 1: Philadelphia went to their Plan B. And today we call
Speaker 1: that Plan B the U S Constitution. That's ridiculous. Well,
Speaker 1: that's good. Wow, that's wow. I did not know this man,
Speaker 1: Thank you, so very close to becoming the thing it
Speaker 1: sought to destroy. But but you have to just remember,
Speaker 1: I mean, just to give these you know the people
Speaker 1: were talking about here and and Adams and all these
Speaker 1: guys a little benefit of the doubt. Uh. They're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to have a strong leader
Speaker 1: that that as you said the quote common people would
Speaker 1: would respect and kind of bow to without actually having
Speaker 1: to bow, if that makes sense. And like you said,
Speaker 1: this is these are the systems they knew before. This
Speaker 1: is what worked before. Just because they didn't like having
Speaker 1: a king all the way across an ocean dictating what
Speaker 1: they had and had to do and couldn't do. Maybe
Speaker 1: there was a desire to have someone like that or
Speaker 1: a power structure like that, just that would be on
Speaker 1: the land which they occupied. I don't know, I don't Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I think you're making a really good point. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: saying will have a monarchy because we know they work,
Speaker 1: but we'll have one that is our monarchy, right, uh,
Speaker 1: something where we have offspring, yeah yeah, yeah, and then
Speaker 1: maybe we'll get support from the Prussians or something. Uh.
Speaker 1: But these kind of machinations happen all the time, right
Speaker 1: in these sorts of calculations. That's why that leads us
Speaker 1: to another interesting one. The Boston massacre seventeen seventy March five.
Speaker 1: You've heard the name. It's a it's an altercation that
Speaker 1: leads to that that kind of becomes a spark that
Speaker 1: ignites a larger flame. An angry mob surrounds a Century
Speaker 1: and they start talking trash to him whatever picture whatever
Speaker 1: the colonial American version of trash talking is. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. They're like, you smell of laudanum. I
Speaker 1: don't know, and they and thanks, and uh. Eight colleagues
Speaker 1: come to support the Century. And then the situation escalates
Speaker 1: and people are throwing stones and clubs and snowballs, which
Speaker 1: I thought was wholesome at the soldiers. And then the
Speaker 1: nine soldiers open fire on the crowd. They kill five people,
Speaker 1: they wound six others. Only two or convicted of anything
Speaker 1: man slaughter with reduced sentences. The rest are acquitted. Without
Speaker 1: going into this too deep, there is an idea that
Speaker 1: the Boston massacre was purposely instigated, that it wasn't just
Speaker 1: an organic kind of perfect storm of tension and you know,
Speaker 1: waiting for the shoe to drop. There's the idea that
Speaker 1: someone got together, someone conspired and said, Okay, go up,
Speaker 1: start talking to this person. Let's get them to fire
Speaker 1: on us. Why would they do that. We've seen this
Speaker 1: before in the asked if you can make an opponent
Speaker 1: act aggressively towards you without taking aggressive action towards them,
Speaker 1: public opinion is more likely to be in your favor
Speaker 1: as the person being attacked rather than the attacker. Right.
Speaker 1: I think that's the primary motivation there. Um. But but
Speaker 1: I don't know how that would work. I mean, it
Speaker 1: would have to be I can only imagine it being
Speaker 1: a group of people speaking to you know, this angry
Speaker 1: mob or whoever they are, and just kind of making
Speaker 1: them angrier and angrier and getting them more and more
Speaker 1: worked up, and then doing kind of what you're saying,
Speaker 1: then just pointing and going, hey, look over there, look
Speaker 1: at that guy. Let's go tell him to go back
Speaker 1: across the pond. But even then, I don't see how
Speaker 1: the Boston massacre. I it was, it was a rallying cry.
Speaker 1: I just don't see how that strategically would be the
Speaker 1: thing in that place at that time. Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: And you raise an excellent point, because we have to
Speaker 1: remember when someone is proposing a theory like that, they
Speaker 1: are doing so with the knowledge of what happened after
Speaker 1: the Boston massacre. It puts a great deal of predictive
Speaker 1: power on any conspirator here to assume that they purposely
Speaker 1: instigated something and somehow new roughly what effects that massacre
Speaker 1: would have. That's let's put in a lot on them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But but let's remember what
Speaker 1: the Project for the New American Century said in their
Speaker 1: report that was put out right before the events of
Speaker 1: September eleven, two thousand one, where they said, we need
Speaker 1: a new Pearl Harbor. Oh God, you're right, And and
Speaker 1: the whole concept of that was to to fullment public opinion,
Speaker 1: to to make everybody okay with spending more money on war,
Speaker 1: on wartime stuff, on armies and you know material. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm sort of being flippant, but
Speaker 1: it's like, I think that's a lot of the reasons.
Speaker 1: There are so many conspiracy theories behind nine eleven, is it.
Speaker 1: It certainly accomplished a goal for like these hawkish you know,
Speaker 1: people that were in power at the time, like gave
Speaker 1: them a really great excuse to kind of duel, bait
Speaker 1: and switch and and seek out the war they wanted,
Speaker 1: not necessarily the war that made sense as retribution. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're not saying that the Project for a New
Speaker 1: American Century or anyone caused nine eleven as a false
Speaker 1: flag attack. We are not saying that. No, that's not
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Heither, I'm just saying I can see
Speaker 1: why people's minds would go there because of what it did.
Speaker 1: It was literally what the what the what do they
Speaker 1: call neo conservative playbook was calling for. It's exact it's
Speaker 1: exactly what it was calling for. Um. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean we can anyone can prove that, and you
Speaker 1: know that's just where we live. That's certainly not not
Speaker 1: suggesting that. I think it's just a very interesting parallel
Speaker 1: to what we're talking about. Yeah, that report comes just
Speaker 1: before the two thousand election. Uh. And then they're not
Speaker 1: specifically saying the towers in New York need to blow up,
Speaker 1: but they do say a new Pearl Harbor, some catastrophic event. Uh.
Speaker 1: And clearly there were tons of opportunists taking advantage of
Speaker 1: of the situation, right of the chaos ensuing after this.
Speaker 1: But with that in mindment, that's a great example. That's
Speaker 1: I think that's incredibly grounding because some of this stuff
Speaker 1: can seem a little bit a little bit distant, right
Speaker 1: because we have again the benefit of centuries. But I
Speaker 1: don't want to leave this scene of the massacre just yet.
Speaker 1: I've learned some colonial insults. I would like to tell
Speaker 1: you what I think they were probably calling this guy.
Speaker 1: They were probably calling him a gentleman of three outs.
Speaker 1: That's a man who lacks with money and manners against
Speaker 1: three uh. And a lull poop I'm sorry, a loll
Speaker 1: poop l o l l poop, a lazy idle man.
Speaker 1: The female equivalent is the fsack. Wow. I didn't know
Speaker 1: they were doing like acronym insults. That's that's some next
Speaker 1: level stuff right there. The lull poop is now emoji
Speaker 1: very soon. Uh. And then they probably called them a
Speaker 1: guilt or rum dubber. These are great palliards and Clapper,
Speaker 1: Dogan's Clapper Dogan Clapper, Dogan's dogins, I'll be I'll be
Speaker 1: honest with you, guys. I wasn't actually at the Boston massacre,
Speaker 1: so so I don't know, but but I love lull poop. Anyway,
Speaker 1: moving on, what if there's a secret war happening. What
Speaker 1: if it's not just the US or what will become
Speaker 1: the U s fighting with Britain. What if after the
Speaker 1: foundation of the US they are waging a war against
Speaker 1: the illuminati. The Alien and Sedition Acts, which were signed
Speaker 1: to the law in s under President John Adams, were
Speaker 1: super controversial because they gave the government like fascist level
Speaker 1: dictator powers over political dissenters and over people that were
Speaker 1: considered to be foreigners, which is which is pretty weird
Speaker 1: because you know, many people who fought in the Revolutionary
Speaker 1: War were foreigners. So so this is this act is
Speaker 1: ultimately repealed, but some of some pieces of it survived today,
Speaker 1: and that prompts people to think there might be some
Speaker 1: sort of hidden purpose behind the legislation. It extended the
Speaker 1: requirement for residency from just five years to fourteen. This
Speaker 1: is where this is where it gets very weird. These
Speaker 1: are very harsh anti immigrant laws. Uh, they give the
Speaker 1: federal government great power to kind of cherry pick and
Speaker 1: choose who they wish to allow into the country. And
Speaker 1: the idea is that they're trying to weed out members
Speaker 1: of the Illuminati before they could become a danger to
Speaker 1: to the newly birthed us. That's so weird, it's so interesting.
Speaker 1: I do not think it's true. I don't understand how
Speaker 1: it could be. I think xenophobia is a real enough
Speaker 1: conspiracy on its own. And there you have it, folks,
Speaker 1: These are just a few of the very strange, very
Speaker 1: crazy conspiracy theories or secrets of the Founding Fathers. The
Speaker 1: one that personally bothers me the most is just how
Speaker 1: close this country came to becoming a monarchy. So, Henry,
Speaker 1: if you are out there and listening to this show somehow,
Speaker 1: thank you for turning down the job. Good on you.
Speaker 1: Massive appreciate it. Uh. We haven't even gone into the
Speaker 1: rabbit hole about Illuminati bloodlines and the Founding Fathers. That
Speaker 1: may be an episode of its own. But in the meantime,
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