Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
Speaker 1: production of My Heart Radio. Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called
Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super
Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you
Speaker 1: are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. It's our weekly listener
Speaker 1: male segment, and we have to admit we even get
Speaker 1: a lot of strange stuff. I don't know about you all,
Speaker 1: but I I love these and I'm especially fond of
Speaker 1: the clarifications and corrections we get because it helps keep
Speaker 1: the show honest. So thanks to everybody wrote into us
Speaker 1: about anarchy and about the origin of skinheads. And thanks also,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, to the three people who wrote into
Speaker 1: us today. There's some amazing things here and there's another
Speaker 1: thing that has me honestly quite concerned. Ben. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: I didn't see those emails. What do we get wrong
Speaker 1: about the origins of skinheads and anarchy? On the anarchy front?
Speaker 1: You know, uh, we were largely being humorous with the
Speaker 1: idea that some people just want to watch the world burn.
Speaker 1: Obviously that is not the case for all anarchists who
Speaker 1: have various different names and motivations. Uh. And you know,
Speaker 1: maybe advocating for a peaceful transition to anarchy. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then in the term in terms of skinheads, I thought
Speaker 1: I had said this on air, but it's uh, skinheads
Speaker 1: get conflated with neo Nazis because they kind of co
Speaker 1: opted that movement or that aesthetic in the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: I want to say. And before then, you know, skinheads
Speaker 1: were working class people associated with you know, two tone
Speaker 1: culture and stuff like that. Oh, I'm almost positive we
Speaker 1: said that on the show, and clarify that. I think
Speaker 1: I sort of got it wrong. And then you chimed
Speaker 1: in and clarify the actual origin of the skinhead movement
Speaker 1: and how it was co opted into that kind of
Speaker 1: more what it's associated with now, which is that neo Nazis,
Speaker 1: because we're also talking about sharps and the idea of
Speaker 1: skinheads against racial prejudice and all I remember this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And also switching gears here, shout out to the specialist,
Speaker 1: let's call him who wrote in about the Cursed Submarine
Speaker 1: episode gave us some amazing insight from somebody who really
Speaker 1: understands that kind of situation and maybe had some knowledge.
Speaker 1: Shout out to you, unnamed person. We may have to
Speaker 1: bring that up in a later episode. And that's what
Speaker 1: we're doing all day today, celebrating you, the most important
Speaker 1: part of this show. So we're going to get right
Speaker 1: into it with our first message from someone we're going
Speaker 1: to call Schmidt. Hey, I listened to you guys to
Speaker 1: show a lot. My name is Lusol Schmidt. I listened
Speaker 1: to one of your previous EPs sometimes the last year
Speaker 1: about UFO crash and in banking sixties and off the
Speaker 1: coast of Nova Scotia, and I wondered if you guys
Speaker 1: had heard about the jack Fish First Nation UFO crash
Speaker 1: that happened here in Canada. Our government quickly covered it up,
Speaker 1: which is kind of crazy because they happened to be
Speaker 1: on indigenous land when it happened, and they kicked up
Speaker 1: the media and wouldn't allow the indigenous elders to come
Speaker 1: and look, and they said it was some sort of
Speaker 1: military test for new gear. But we don't develop our
Speaker 1: own planes in Canada so I highly doubt that. I
Speaker 1: thought you guys might be interested and have a nice day.
Speaker 1: Hell well, well, an unidentified flying vehicle that crashed on
Speaker 1: First Nations soil in Manitoba. WHOA, this sounds amazing. It's
Speaker 1: right up our alley. It's exactly the kind of thing
Speaker 1: we want to look into. And guess what I did
Speaker 1: some looking into this. I did do the research. However,
Speaker 1: Schmidt and everyone else listening, I couldn't find the specific
Speaker 1: thing that Schmidt was talking about here jack Fish, First
Speaker 1: Nation UFO crash two thousand, two eleven. I did find, however,
Speaker 1: a very interesting UFO crash or possible UFO crash that
Speaker 1: occurred in a very similar area, or very close at
Speaker 1: least in and we found an article here from Mysterious Universe,
Speaker 1: not always the best, worst, but a great place to
Speaker 1: find stories like this. The title is UFO crash reported
Speaker 1: in Manitoba, denied by Canadian forces. So let's just talk
Speaker 1: about what happened here in jack Head Reservation in Manitoba, Canada,
Speaker 1: not jack Fish. As Schmidt pointed out, there was a
Speaker 1: possible UFO crash into Lake Winnipeg, and it's crazy. In
Speaker 1: this article you can see images of trucks and police
Speaker 1: vehicles showing up to the place where this UFO crashed
Speaker 1: into the lake. There you can hear stories about people
Speaker 1: who were there, who witnessed the aftermath, and there are
Speaker 1: a few witnesses who say they saw something enter the lake.
Speaker 1: This is what they say. They saw a quote large
Speaker 1: disk that crashed into the lake that was then pulled
Speaker 1: out by these military and police authorities. WHOA, whoa. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine witnessing that a disc shaped craft entering Lake
Speaker 1: Winnipeg and then later that same disc shaped object being
Speaker 1: pulled out by authorities. It feels like an episode of
Speaker 1: X Files. Yeah, or an episode of stuff they don't
Speaker 1: want you to know. I mean, this is it's It's
Speaker 1: interesting because typically in reports of unidentified flying aircraft or
Speaker 1: unidentified aerial phenomenon, unidentified flying objects, whatever you wanna call them,
Speaker 1: in most reports they are seeing once right there, seeing
Speaker 1: going by or hovering in the air. They're rarely seen,
Speaker 1: you know, crashing and then getting pulled back out. Schmidt,
Speaker 1: you raise a fantastic point here in your message to us.
Speaker 1: It is true Canada has the ability to license some jets,
Speaker 1: like fighter jets. For instance, if we're talking about military craft,
Speaker 1: but I don't think they have the budget to domestically
Speaker 1: create a lot of military harry craft. This also reminds
Speaker 1: me a little bit of the story of the Avro Arrow,
Speaker 1: which might be a story for a different day, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems completely reasonable that suppressed military
Speaker 1: technology would be confused with the UFO. I mean it
Speaker 1: is a UFO, yes, absolutely, and we talked about that
Speaker 1: numerous times on this show, the similarity between unacknowledged aircraft
Speaker 1: and unacknowledged operations of aircraft by militaries, and how that
Speaker 1: gets confused with, you know, an extraterrestrial vehicle of some
Speaker 1: sort all the time, and sometimes on purpose, so so
Speaker 1: that the waters get a little muddied about what the
Speaker 1: military is actually testing. I would say that Canadian forces
Speaker 1: do work closely with US forces when it comes to
Speaker 1: aircraft and aerial intelligence and training and testing of aircraft,
Speaker 1: so that's a possibility there. Let's jump to a Wednesday,
Speaker 1: February report that was posted on Facebook by someone named Brent.
Speaker 1: This comes from that Mysterious Universe article. Here's the Facebook post.
Speaker 1: UFO crash reported on the Jackhead Reserve in Manitoba, Canada.
Speaker 1: Apparently the Canadian military have vehicles lined up on north shore.
Speaker 1: They're threatening anybody who tries to take pictures. Lots of eyewitnesses.
Speaker 1: There's a round object being hauled across the lake, being
Speaker 1: pulled by snowmobiles in a bomba deer. Something was seen
Speaker 1: going down by eight fishermen. They reported it. Why would
Speaker 1: they not let the media know if it was a
Speaker 1: plane crash. There was also another report on social media
Speaker 1: that again this is coming from social media. It is
Speaker 1: not verified news, right, it's not corroborated. But here's what
Speaker 1: it was stated. Apparently a disc shaped craft was seen
Speaker 1: crashing through the ice on the lake. At least one
Speaker 1: person got photographic evidence. It has since been detained by
Speaker 1: the Canadian military. Interesting. It's very men in black, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to wonder about how mundane the
Speaker 1: story might be. One thing that's interesting in a lot
Speaker 1: of events that later turn out to be cover ups
Speaker 1: by a military or by a government is sometimes the
Speaker 1: motivation for the cover up seems like it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: that big of a deal to you know, someone who's
Speaker 1: not in the government, like, hey, just say that you
Speaker 1: were testing a new kind of uh vertical takeoff device
Speaker 1: and that you still have more testing to do. That
Speaker 1: that should be fine, instead of making us think there's
Speaker 1: this enormous conspiracy using outdated extra terrestrial technology that landed
Speaker 1: in prehistoric times, you know what I mean. But we
Speaker 1: have to remember that inside that bubble of military testing
Speaker 1: there are valid concerns. The last thing they want is
Speaker 1: a geopolitical rival knowing exactly where they are on a
Speaker 1: development timeline, even if they're ahead, even if they're behind.
Speaker 1: You want to have that kind of fog of war.
Speaker 1: You want to obscure your progress. You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1: We we had a little off Mike discussion about the
Speaker 1: distinction between jack Head and jack Fish. And I actually
Speaker 1: found an article for a region of Canada called Prince Albert.
Speaker 1: It's a website called p a now Prince Albert Now,
Speaker 1: and it says Saskatchewan UFO reports in include Jackfish Lake
Speaker 1: UH and Prince Albert. And it's just talking about specifically
Speaker 1: a sighting on June eighteen. I'm sorry, I said two
Speaker 1: thousand eight two thousand eighteen UM near this body of
Speaker 1: water called Jackfish Lake. UM. The cier's reported having quote UH,
Speaker 1: dreams and spiritual attacks. Then on July five, there was
Speaker 1: another report in the area of someone seeing a silver
Speaker 1: orb um hovering in the sky much like you were
Speaker 1: describing map near Jackfish Lake around ten in the morning.
Speaker 1: Point being is that the crux of this article is
Speaker 1: that that this area has been kind of a hot
Speaker 1: spot for UFO sightings, and in Canada in particular, in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen, UM there were over nine d
Speaker 1: UFO sightings um and that was published in a report
Speaker 1: from UFO Ufology Research, which is a group in Manitoba
Speaker 1: that publishes you know, data surrounding UFO sightings in the
Speaker 1: region UM And you know, while similarly to these kinds
Speaker 1: of reports here, some of them are more difficult to explain. Uh.
Speaker 1: Many of them are easily dismissed as just you know,
Speaker 1: sightings of lights in the sky, star like objects or
Speaker 1: distant lights, etcetera. But the classic kind of flying saucer
Speaker 1: disc shaped craft was only present in twenty four of
Speaker 1: the as reports. Uh. And that this article suggests that
Speaker 1: perhaps the classic model is not in vogue anymore, which
Speaker 1: is interesting. But yeah, I mean, um, it's pretty interesting
Speaker 1: to the way this report categorizes the sightings. It has
Speaker 1: a quote, strangeness factor graded from one to nine um
Speaker 1: and the average strangeness factor in the report was a
Speaker 1: four point four. Uh so, yeah, it's it's certainly become
Speaker 1: kind of a hotbed of this kind of this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff to the point where even some kind of
Speaker 1: UFO enthusiasts or coming to the area to kind of
Speaker 1: try to have sightings of their own. And for more
Speaker 1: information on that report, uh, check out our earlier episodes
Speaker 1: on the Shack Harbor incident. Check out also Can You
Speaker 1: Become a Ufologist? That ufology episode especially will explain why
Speaker 1: we see a preponderance of ratings or metrics like strangeness factor. Yep,
Speaker 1: check it out. It's a Scatchewan, man, there's all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff going on in the skies over there. They
Speaker 1: ought to call it sasquatchoues stand am never mind. Hey,
Speaker 1: if you're in Saskatchewan or in any of these areas
Speaker 1: and you've seen something maybe in Manitoba, jack fish, jackhead,
Speaker 1: make sure you call us a right to us, just
Speaker 1: like Schmidt did. Hey, before we move on, we got
Speaker 1: to let you know that there is an official response
Speaker 1: to what occurred, or a retort maybe from the Canadian
Speaker 1: forces the military there. So we've got a report here
Speaker 1: from CBC. It's Canadian Broadcasting Corporation maybe or company. You
Speaker 1: know what it is. If you're Canadian, it's the CBC.
Speaker 1: So um. The Canadian Forces responded and said on Wednesday night,
Speaker 1: several people, it's say they saw a bright light in
Speaker 1: the sky that there was some kind of UFO. The
Speaker 1: rumors became stronger when photos were posted of the actual
Speaker 1: Canadian Forces all those vehicles in the area that we
Speaker 1: mentioned on that Facebook post, and people were claiming there
Speaker 1: was a UFO was a crash site. But according to
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel Paul Davies, it was not a UFO at all.
Speaker 1: He says it was an Arctic Response Company group training
Speaker 1: exercise that occurred on Lake Winnipeg. He said, quote, there's
Speaker 1: no aliens, just my friends in the Air Force who
Speaker 1: are out there helping us on this exercise. I have
Speaker 1: the commander of that Air Force contingent sitting right beside me,
Speaker 1: and you know, he assures us that that was not
Speaker 1: a UFO, but that was him. I think that's a
Speaker 1: very conversational approach and I enjoyed hearing it that way.
Speaker 1: He also goes on to say that the bright light
Speaker 1: people reported did occur, but that it came from an
Speaker 1: airplane that just takes off very quickly. And he says,
Speaker 1: from a distance to me, it looked like it was
Speaker 1: going straight up in the air, but it was not.
Speaker 1: It was just us out there playing our games. I
Speaker 1: love the conversational tone. And that's why I mentioned vertical
Speaker 1: takeoff craft because you know those those do exist, right um,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, vertical takeoff and landing and uh, you have
Speaker 1: to land the plane. So it seems like there's an explanation.
Speaker 1: But without more detail, of course, people are going to
Speaker 1: insist that the Arctic Response Company group was up to
Speaker 1: something nefarious. Yeah, and just this is a little more
Speaker 1: from the article. It says around a hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: military personnel took part in that exercise they called Exercise
Speaker 1: Arctic Bison. Isn't that awesome? Exercise Arctic Bison. Remember this
Speaker 1: occurred in um and there are several groups involved, Canadian
Speaker 1: Brigade groups, second Battalion of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry,
Speaker 1: the fourth Canadian Ranger Patrol Group and the four Squadron
Speaker 1: of the Royal Canadian Air Force. Lots of groups involved
Speaker 1: in a big old exercise. Reminds me of what was
Speaker 1: that one Ben, It's exercise in the US around we
Speaker 1: were looking at jade Helm. Jade Helm M. Yes, we
Speaker 1: do need to do an update on that also before
Speaker 1: we move on. I feel like it's very important for
Speaker 1: us to state these sorts of exercises happened pretty constantly,
Speaker 1: and if you think about it across the globe, if
Speaker 1: you look at the training exercises, you look at the
Speaker 1: war games as they're sometimes called, the field experiments and
Speaker 1: so on, there is a ton of activity out there,
Speaker 1: and honestly, in the US, we don't hear about a
Speaker 1: lot of it. We don't hear a lot about you know, uh,
Speaker 1: technological experiments happening in other parts of the world. Right, No,
Speaker 1: we don't, but we'd like to hear about it. So
Speaker 1: if you're in the know again, give us a call,
Speaker 1: write us an email, do what you gotta do. We
Speaker 1: received an anonymous email very recently. There was encrypted both ways,
Speaker 1: super secure for the sender and I haven't even opened
Speaker 1: what happened with that. You guys there has a little
Speaker 1: back and forth and we all were a little freaked
Speaker 1: out by this thing. Well, it we maybe should be,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, it's great. We're gonna open
Speaker 1: that email, take a look at it. Anybody who wants
Speaker 1: to send us things securely, there are ways to do it.
Speaker 1: Check it out online, and then send us anything you want,
Speaker 1: especially if it's a little sensitive. We're interested. And speaking
Speaker 1: of that correspondence and anonymity, that's a pretty good segue
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Speaker 1: This email is from someone who has chosen to identify
Speaker 1: themselves as Jace. Here is what Jace says. Just listen
Speaker 1: to the episode that had both the pseudo side and
Speaker 1: the guy that was using such an elaborate disguise to
Speaker 1: steal money out of those casinos. You can call me Jace.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of your show. Over a decade ago,
Speaker 1: I made a stupid decision to rob a bank and
Speaker 1: had to go on the run. I thought of faking
Speaker 1: my own death, but did not have the time or
Speaker 1: resources to do so. Instead, Jace says, I went on
Speaker 1: the run to a different part of the country and
Speaker 1: began using an alias and posing as being from a
Speaker 1: different country, using an accent from that country as well.
Speaker 1: Well done, James, I would love to hear it. Jas continues,
Speaker 1: saying I was able to get a fake I d
Speaker 1: saying I was from that country and with my new
Speaker 1: name to start my life over. It was surprisingly scary
Speaker 1: how easy it was to do this physically, especially with
Speaker 1: the FBI and other law enforcement agencies scouring the US
Speaker 1: for me. Mentally, however, it was incredibly arduous. There's the
Speaker 1: stress of always looking over your shoulder. One of the
Speaker 1: hardest parts of leaving was severing all ties with loved ones.
Speaker 1: It pained me terribly and my family as well. I
Speaker 1: was on the run for almost a year when by
Speaker 1: a strange stroke of coincidence I ran into some old
Speaker 1: family friends from my original life in a theme park
Speaker 1: states away from where they lived. Being friends of the family,
Speaker 1: they obviously knew I was wanted for the bank robbery.
Speaker 1: The authorities were notified. I was given five years and
Speaker 1: have since done the time, paid the money back, completed
Speaker 1: probation with no problem. Congratulations Jason, and am now in
Speaker 1: the process of writing a book based on the true events.
Speaker 1: Keep up the great work you guys, do keep us
Speaker 1: updated on the Pentagon's UFO situation. We appreciate you, Jace. Jason. Also,
Speaker 1: first off, this is an email right then, Just like
Speaker 1: a voicemail or an email, it's tough to verify sources.
Speaker 1: Jason did provide some proof. I did a little bit
Speaker 1: of due diligence, and this looks legit. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys saw the proof that Jason provided. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the image what looks like a lineup? M yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: really really interesting stuff here, Jason. Thanks for listening and
Speaker 1: telling us about what what you did. Um, honestly I
Speaker 1: want more. I want the book. Let's read the book.
Speaker 1: Make sure you're getting on that, Jason. I thought this
Speaker 1: would be interesting to share on air because it's one
Speaker 1: of our first firsthand experience responses regarding the idea of
Speaker 1: getting off the grid or you know, starting your life
Speaker 1: anew and it sounds like this just makes me convinced
Speaker 1: again not to visit theme parks, even pre COVID, right,
Speaker 1: I think you might get identified. I'd look, theme parks
Speaker 1: are not for everybody, but they're great fun if they're
Speaker 1: your thing. It made me start thinking about our earlier
Speaker 1: conversations regarding how to actually disappear. And I've got to say,
Speaker 1: Jay's I'm quite surprised that you were able to make
Speaker 1: it for so long with getting that identification. I would
Speaker 1: want to know specifically what kind of I D you know,
Speaker 1: what kind of paperwork you were able to obtain. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know another thing for anybody trying to get off
Speaker 1: the grid, Uh, in the age of the pandemic, it's
Speaker 1: going to be much more difficult because so few people
Speaker 1: are accepting cash, right, you have to use a card
Speaker 1: of some sort often. Yeah, it's true. I mean honestly. Um.
Speaker 1: I had a situation recently where I left my wallet
Speaker 1: at home after traveling kind of far to to go
Speaker 1: to a store to buy some stuff for my kid.
Speaker 1: There's a store that she really likes called five Below
Speaker 1: and it's like they sell like anime crap and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I realized I didn't know my wallet, and first
Speaker 1: I was like, God, that sucks. I don't have any cash,
Speaker 1: I don't have my cards, I don't have anything. And
Speaker 1: then I realized everyone takes Apple Pay now, everyone like
Speaker 1: Ace Hardware took Apple Pay, This five below Below store
Speaker 1: took Apple Pay, and I had it all set up
Speaker 1: so I was good to go, but it just goes
Speaker 1: to show like that's not even cash less or even
Speaker 1: hading more towards like card less. You know, it's pretty
Speaker 1: pretty wild, you know, speaking of card less. I am
Speaker 1: very interested in the process Jason took to get that
Speaker 1: fake i D um because it sounds like he went
Speaker 1: through official channels, at least that's the way I'm reading it.
Speaker 1: What do you what do you take from that, Ben, Well,
Speaker 1: it's look, I wouldn't be very clear. I am not
Speaker 1: I am not a person who feels like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of voter I D fraud or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Doing the cost benefit analysis of it, it's it's just
Speaker 1: too much trouble to to do it in a way
Speaker 1: that would swing the needle in a vote. But if
Speaker 1: you're getting a new I D depending on the state,
Speaker 1: depending on the form of identification, it's not as it's
Speaker 1: not impossible. It's not as tough as you would think,
Speaker 1: you know, as a matter of fact, in some parts
Speaker 1: of the world, Uh, in some parts of the US,
Speaker 1: it is probably easier to get a a fake I
Speaker 1: D than it is to get a copy of some
Speaker 1: of your legit stuff. Like if you ever tried to
Speaker 1: replace the Social Security card, which you don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: also also have original copy of your birth certificate to
Speaker 1: get that stuff notarized. Like anytime you have a background check,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of stuff you have to try to
Speaker 1: get and the system can grind on so slowly. So
Speaker 1: maybe there's someone listening out there who just got a fake.
Speaker 1: I d because it was faster and easier to be like,
Speaker 1: you know, um Max powers Astronaut with a Secret or whatever.
Speaker 1: I was looking at this and thinking about the order
Speaker 1: of operations. So I don't know how Jace. I don't
Speaker 1: know how Jace did it. But one of the one
Speaker 1: of the first things that you would have to do
Speaker 1: is is prepare a great deal. And I think some
Speaker 1: people fumble the ball when they start preparing, right Like
Speaker 1: it's you. You should tamp down and then disappear your
Speaker 1: social media as much as possible. You should break that.
Speaker 1: You should start to distance yourself from regularly expected communications
Speaker 1: things like that. Uh, but you should not be preparing
Speaker 1: through the use of your Internet browser. Honestly, if you're
Speaker 1: really planning to disappear for um like compelling personal reason
Speaker 1: or because you are on the lamb they're going to
Speaker 1: find your search history and they'll be like, Oh, this
Speaker 1: guy spent you know, eight to twelve months obsessively searching
Speaker 1: how to get off the grid in various means. He's
Speaker 1: on some forums that we already had our eye on.
Speaker 1: We don't think he's dead. I don't want to tell
Speaker 1: people how to disappear if they're doing it for bad reasons.
Speaker 1: If you're doing it for good reasons, maybe check back
Speaker 1: on an older episode that you've downloaded, and here, perhaps
Speaker 1: uh an add about a VPN service that we've talked
Speaker 1: about previously. Start doing that kind of thing if you
Speaker 1: have to do internet searches. But definitely don't you said
Speaker 1: VPN service to watch Netflix from other countries, because that
Speaker 1: is not cool, guys. So there's there's one other, one
Speaker 1: other thing that I thought would be of interest to you, Jason,
Speaker 1: and then also of interest to our fellow listeners, which is, yes,
Speaker 1: the system exists. Statewide surveillance. Nationwide surveillance is a thing.
Speaker 1: It's the thing for a reason, but it is not
Speaker 1: yet as comprehensive as you might think. It has the
Speaker 1: potential to be comprehensive, and if you become a person
Speaker 1: of interest a suspect and are guido. Then you may
Speaker 1: get the spotlight shined upon you, and that spotlight will
Speaker 1: go very deep. But you might be surprised to learn
Speaker 1: how many people in the US are existing in a
Speaker 1: liminal space between the mainstream social financial world and the
Speaker 1: off the grid or under the radar life. Like even
Speaker 1: here in Atlanta, Georgia, some areas in the latest census
Speaker 1: were found to have over fort of the residents living
Speaker 1: as unbanked. That word kind of it means what you
Speaker 1: think it means. It's people who do not participate in
Speaker 1: the banking system. So you're paid in cash, kind of
Speaker 1: existing cash you may have. You may have government assistance
Speaker 1: who are on the grid that way, but you're not
Speaker 1: That government insistence is not going to a checking account
Speaker 1: because you do not have one. Some people out of choice,
Speaker 1: some people because of dire financial straits. If you really
Speaker 1: want to disappear, you have to start erasing the footprints
Speaker 1: you've already created and there they go back a long, long,
Speaker 1: long long way. Yeah, we we we know. Even people
Speaker 1: like with lots of money and resources and contacts, it's
Speaker 1: very difficult to scrub that stuff from the internet, you know,
Speaker 1: or from from any record of note, very difficult. You know.
Speaker 1: We hear all the time about celebrities not liking certain
Speaker 1: pictures of themselves, and the internet has a way of remembering,
Speaker 1: you know, even if you get it all off. It's
Speaker 1: like that hydra uh situation you're always describing bad When
Speaker 1: you cut off one head, it grows back three more
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know. Yeah, there there are some interesting
Speaker 1: It's just okay, let's think of it as a thought experiment.
Speaker 1: There are some interesting things and Jason, uh, Jase did
Speaker 1: extraordinarily well. This is a difficult thing to do as
Speaker 1: a serious pursuit, but you can. You can read a
Speaker 1: lot of I don't know, I would say armchair advice
Speaker 1: on some of this stuff. It's not the same thing
Speaker 1: as hearing from someone who has firsthand experience. We know
Speaker 1: the basics, uh, And I think you're right, Matt. We
Speaker 1: do talk about it in previous episode, so you don't
Speaker 1: have to explore it too much. But there is I
Speaker 1: wonder if there's anyone who just decided to start over
Speaker 1: without a compelling reason, like they were not being pursued
Speaker 1: by law enforcement or persecuted by a government, they were
Speaker 1: not in a dangerous, violent, personal relationship. They just woke
Speaker 1: up one day and said, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go by Rupert Now, I'm gonna drive to Manitoba. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go by the name Rupert Peace surname, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna work at a factory. Because if you live in
Speaker 1: modest enough existence and you don't have like a heavy
Speaker 1: crime on you, you don't have a wealthy family, then
Speaker 1: probably like after one to three years, they'll just consider that.
Speaker 1: They'll just think you disappeared in the woods because naturally
Speaker 1: you told a bunch of friends that you were going
Speaker 1: camping and would be back in two weeks, just to
Speaker 1: give you that margin of time, right, Yeah, And and
Speaker 1: you left a canteen and one of your shirts that
Speaker 1: was you know, worn for like two or three days
Speaker 1: in a row. I had your scent on it, so
Speaker 1: the dogs can find it. You went out in the woods,
Speaker 1: You've left all that stuff there. Yeah, sure, sure. By
Speaker 1: the way, I would pronounce it suriname or surreyname, just
Speaker 1: just to make sure people don't catch on that your
Speaker 1: last name is surname, right, right, like Dr Alucard in
Speaker 1: every TV series mini series about vampires. Uh, I loved
Speaker 1: your drop of arguidos there by the way, ben I
Speaker 1: caught that. That was very good. We're slowly do it
Speaker 1: a terrible job learning Portuguese, but we have We have
Speaker 1: one more piece of mail, uh that also slight foreshadowing.
Speaker 1: Has a rupert involved? What are we talking about? We'll
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Speaker 1: And the rupert in question uh for this segment of
Speaker 1: a listener mail is one Rupert shell Drake, a very
Speaker 1: fascinating figure, a scientist, British biologist who has put forth
Speaker 1: some very interesting theories that have often been considered by
Speaker 1: some critics in the scientific community to be pseudoscience, but
Speaker 1: absolutely something that has some resonance for many others. And
Speaker 1: this one comes from an anonymous listener calling in from
Speaker 1: the road. Hey, greetings and salutations. Trucker's love stuff. They
Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Truckers also love um stuff
Speaker 1: you should know. And I was just listening to an
Speaker 1: episode of that. I'm sure you guys are all bosom buddies,
Speaker 1: right wink wink. On morphic resonance, eating a sufficient quantity
Speaker 1: of psilocybin might lead you to look into that a
Speaker 1: little deeper. Don't eat thee liberty caps. Different kind of
Speaker 1: much more toxic poison in those mushrooms. But if you
Speaker 1: eat this right Phili cubensis um, even in micro doses,
Speaker 1: you might understand what he's talking about. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: there's any you know, scientific evidence for the morphick resonance,
Speaker 1: but the psilocybin will let you know there's a lot
Speaker 1: more out there. We're all in tune somehow. It's like
Speaker 1: the energy ways. Bro oh my god, I love that.
Speaker 1: Lit up my my, my day, the ending sound effects
Speaker 1: in particular, he gave us. He gave us a hog man.
Speaker 1: He gave us a hog That's like the growing up.
Speaker 1: That's one of the coolest road wise co signs you
Speaker 1: can get. So thank you an non and to you, Yes,
Speaker 1: what was that? Was that a reference to something? I
Speaker 1: don't know what is it? You just saying we're pals
Speaker 1: with with Josh and James. Yeah, that's true, that's true,
Speaker 1: we are um. But yeah, like I said, this is
Speaker 1: referencing something. That stuff You should note did an episode
Speaker 1: on recently called morphic resonance or the study of morphic fields,
Speaker 1: and this is a a field of study. Um that
Speaker 1: it was was pioneered by this gentleman named Rupert Sheldrake,
Speaker 1: and he is He's very much still alive. There's a
Speaker 1: ted talk from him that you can see. Um he
Speaker 1: was educated at Cambridge University. He earned a doctorate in
Speaker 1: biochemistry there in nineteen sixty seven. He has been a
Speaker 1: fellow and director of studies in biochemistry and cell biology
Speaker 1: at Cambridge as well. And much like the interview we
Speaker 1: did with Russell targ you know, who was absolutely an
Speaker 1: m I. T um bona fide scientist, he decided that
Speaker 1: the realm of study that he was more interested in
Speaker 1: was one that maybe was considered by the scientific community
Speaker 1: at large to be one not necessarily worth exploring, things
Speaker 1: like psychic abilities or um this concept of morphic residents,
Speaker 1: which really just refers to sort of the interconnectivity between
Speaker 1: between life forms. UM so, for example, like the ocean
Speaker 1: that I could feel you Ben, or you Matt, if
Speaker 1: you were staring at me really hard, or if you
Speaker 1: were thinking really hard about me, or um explains attempts
Speaker 1: to explain the phenomenon behind how dogs are interconnected with
Speaker 1: their masters and things like that. Our caller brought up
Speaker 1: the idea of how this phenomenon, if it's a thing
Speaker 1: could be enhanced by taking psychedelic mushrooms, which you know,
Speaker 1: we we actually just talked about in our previous Strange
Speaker 1: News episode about how this is something that's being used
Speaker 1: to kind of breed connectivity between people and like the
Speaker 1: idea of you know, end of life experiences and and
Speaker 1: passing on to the other side or however you want
Speaker 1: to look at it. Religion or spirituality, don't have to
Speaker 1: enter into it at all. But yeah, this guy, Um
Speaker 1: shell Drake has been much maligned by others in the field.
Speaker 1: For example, UM one particular critic, John Maddox, who is
Speaker 1: the editor of Nature, the journal Nature, referred to shell
Speaker 1: Drake's ideas as quote heresy and said that they deserved
Speaker 1: to be condemned. I disagree, disagree. I'm going back in
Speaker 1: here because I have I feel like I've experienced morphic residence.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why this whole thing exists, because it's sometimes
Speaker 1: you feel like it. But it may also exist because
Speaker 1: there's something to it and to connect that world with
Speaker 1: our fungal friends over here, the uh psilocybin, the magic mushrooms.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to bring up something with you guys
Speaker 1: that I know we've talked about a little bit before,
Speaker 1: but thinking about the interconnectivity of a my celial network
Speaker 1: and the way communication occurs, the distances that it can
Speaker 1: travel um just with information passing underground unseen by anyone else.
Speaker 1: Just try laying across um where one area of the network,
Speaker 1: like when we're talking miles and miles away, knows what's
Speaker 1: happening or gets a signal about what's happening from the
Speaker 1: other side. It's an information super highway. It is fungal
Speaker 1: internet essentially. That's how it works. It's not hyperbole. And
Speaker 1: they're everywhere, everywhere below our feet. My celial networks exist,
Speaker 1: and you know, our brains are doing the same thing.
Speaker 1: We've got these very very uh specialized feelers and senses
Speaker 1: that are able to experience the world externally. But ultimately
Speaker 1: it's it's our own, you know, network up in that
Speaker 1: cranium of ours that is sending very similar signals to
Speaker 1: the mycelial network and experiencing externally in a lot of
Speaker 1: ways that that they do too. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what I'm s getting at here.
Speaker 1: I just there's some connection here between the network the mushroom,
Speaker 1: and then the way humans brains function and then interact
Speaker 1: with one another. Right, Well, the brain itself is just
Speaker 1: a network of cells communicating with each other through electrochemical means.
Speaker 1: So the process, of course, the process is different. I
Speaker 1: think what one important distinction of what shel Drake proposes
Speaker 1: is that there is not necessarily a physical connection necessitated.
Speaker 1: So the my celial networks do have physical connection. So
Speaker 1: the idea here then is that uh, all organisms, all
Speaker 1: things that we understand is living, are connected in a
Speaker 1: way that does not necessitate a physical medium, and that
Speaker 1: this connection can be a two way process similar to UM.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's say the T word. It's it's a
Speaker 1: kind of idea of telepathy. And you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: it sounds crazy because there isn't a percent accepted proof
Speaker 1: of telepathy. But I would also say we're still learning
Speaker 1: a lot about plants, Like we just kind of figured
Speaker 1: out that plants talked to each other, some of them
Speaker 1: scream when they die, you know, like more humans are
Speaker 1: not as unique as we think. UM, I completely agree.
Speaker 1: And there's a really cool blog post on Scientific American
Speaker 1: by someone named John Horgan, who himself is a is
Speaker 1: a is a science writer, and he presented at an
Speaker 1: event or some kind of conference with shell Drake, and
Speaker 1: while was kind of skeptical of him, in interacting with
Speaker 1: him personally, really kind of gave his work a second
Speaker 1: look and a second thought. And he um had some
Speaker 1: really interesting things to say about their shared uh fast,
Speaker 1: I don't know they're they're shared philosophy. I guess on
Speaker 1: the types of research that shell Drake does. UM. He
Speaker 1: described their my and set as this and the writer
Speaker 1: of this blog post wrote a book called The End
Speaker 1: of Science UM and he says, we both this is
Speaker 1: shel Drake speaking of him and Organ's kind of shared philosophy.
Speaker 1: We both agree that science is at present limited by
Speaker 1: assumptions that restrict inquiry, and we agree that there are
Speaker 1: major unsolved problems about consciousness, cosmology, and other areas of science.
Speaker 1: I am proposing testable hypotheses that could take us forward
Speaker 1: and open up new frontiers of scientific inquiry. I think
Speaker 1: that's spot on. I mean, we don't know how the
Speaker 1: brain works exactly. We we we know how the brain
Speaker 1: works as an organ sort of, but we don't know
Speaker 1: how consciousness works. We don't know what it is. This
Speaker 1: this oneness that makes us a human being, you know,
Speaker 1: with with feelings, and we don't understand any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: So the idea that that stuff isn't worth studying seems
Speaker 1: so shortsighted to me, you know. Yeah, yeah, I think oftentimes,
Speaker 1: and people when people say skepticism is the default position,
Speaker 1: they're conflating that with a refusal to investigate something. Right,
Speaker 1: critical thinking demands that you actually get in the weeds
Speaker 1: about stuff. Maybe that's not the best turn of phrase
Speaker 1: to use, since I basically said I I think plants
Speaker 1: might have some sort of weird consciousness. But so there's
Speaker 1: another scientific American post by Michael Schermer, publisher of skeptic
Speaker 1: dot com, and he also wrote a book called The
Speaker 1: Science of Good and Evil, and he has an interesting
Speaker 1: note about morphic residence. Of course, he's coming from a
Speaker 1: very very skeptical place, but he has an interchange with
Speaker 1: shel Drake about the folks who dismissed the existence or
Speaker 1: the proposed existence of the morphic field. And I wanted
Speaker 1: to read this. I wanted to get you guys take
Speaker 1: so after LA, now, all the problems skeptics would have
Speaker 1: with the concept of morphic field the way it's been
Speaker 1: tested in the past. ChIL Drake responds that skeptics dampen
Speaker 1: the morphic field themselves, whereas believers enhance it. And he
Speaker 1: said about one skeptic, he said, quote, perhaps his negative
Speaker 1: expectations consciously or unconsciously influence the way he looked at
Speaker 1: the subjects. So maybe it's difficult because then that makes
Speaker 1: it difficult to disprove or prove anything. It works because
Speaker 1: I believed in it, or it didn't work because you
Speaker 1: didn't believe in it, not because it's not real, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, and you hear that. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say excuse, but that reasoning behind a
Speaker 1: lot of magic, magic thinking things where even something as
Speaker 1: simil as a Weigia board, if you if you believe,
Speaker 1: then it's going to happen. Um, I don't know. It
Speaker 1: feels like the double slit experiment of bit with particle physics.
Speaker 1: It also it also feels like a bit of the
Speaker 1: other mind over matter conversations we've had in the past.
Speaker 1: We know mental state is a critical piece of recovery
Speaker 1: from grievous injury, right. We know that the state of
Speaker 1: your mind affects your body in real, quantitative and predictable
Speaker 1: at times ways. But but to your point, no, it doesn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it does seem like whether whether or not people feel
Speaker 1: they can easily easily dismiss this, it does seem shortsighted
Speaker 1: to say, we assume we can dismiss this, therefore we
Speaker 1: shall not consider it, you know what I mean, that's
Speaker 1: very head in the sand. Well, it also would discount
Speaker 1: so much scientific innovation and folks that, you know, question
Speaker 1: whether the Earth was flat. That was a radical idea
Speaker 1: at the time, you know. And now, I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: there's still a handful of folks that think that, but
Speaker 1: largely we've pushed path to that, and and that's helped
Speaker 1: inform a lot of other things that we know and
Speaker 1: understand about the universe and about about the planet and
Speaker 1: about you know, humankind. So if the person, if there
Speaker 1: was never that person that made that push and was like, no,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't care what the you know,
Speaker 1: the status quo says, I'm gonna keep pushing. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what the Shell Drake guy is. And again
Speaker 1: also that Russell targ which is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: interviews we've ever done. I'm talking about his book Third
Speaker 1: Eye Spies and the CIA program of Remote Viewing that
Speaker 1: he was instrumental in, and I swear to god he
Speaker 1: had to have been the guy that Egan Spangler and
Speaker 1: Ghostbusters was based on. Looks just like him and has
Speaker 1: the similar kind of vibes um. But you know, uh,
Speaker 1: people get called a quack until they're called, you know, genius.
Speaker 1: I think we should remember too, that the evolution of science,
Speaker 1: what acute phrase there is riddled with stories of scientists
Speaker 1: being criticized, defamed, hunted, church killed because they wanted to
Speaker 1: investigate something that they were either one not allowed to
Speaker 1: investigate or they found something in their investigation that they
Speaker 1: were not allowed to prove. Never forget. This same species
Speaker 1: not too long ago killed the guy who figured out
Speaker 1: that you can save lives by washing your hands, Ignaz
Speaker 1: semul Vice. He just said, hey, maybe you know, not
Speaker 1: even everybody. Don't everybody wash your hands. If you're a
Speaker 1: doctor and you're gonna do surgery, then wash your hands.
Speaker 1: And people treated that like it was crazy. They literally
Speaker 1: put him in his in a sane asylum and beat
Speaker 1: the snot out of him and he died there totally.
Speaker 1: Or even we talked about the other day, um on
Speaker 1: an episode that may or may not yet. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: how the government can you know, redact a patent, you know,
Speaker 1: if they think it's something that's going to quote unquote
Speaker 1: you know, threatened national security or whatever for their reason
Speaker 1: they might be. I don't know that they have to
Speaker 1: even explain it super well. They can, you know, basically
Speaker 1: put the kai bosh on someone's invention, someone's intellectual property
Speaker 1: and and and essentially take it from them, you know,
Speaker 1: because they think it's a threat in some way to
Speaker 1: some form of this perception of national security or the
Speaker 1: greater good, you know. Yeah. Yeah. However, please don't mistake
Speaker 1: this as me saying I'm one on board with Rupert
Speaker 1: Sheldrake's work. I haven't read a lot of his work.
Speaker 1: I don't know what ton of stuff about him. I
Speaker 1: think we have many, many things to discover about psilocybin,
Speaker 1: for sure, and the human brain and how it how
Speaker 1: it communicates what the hardware and the software is. Right.
Speaker 1: But like, here's an example to really make shell Drake understandable,
Speaker 1: the concept of the morphic field. So, if the morphic
Speaker 1: field exists and it works in the way that shel
Speaker 1: Drake pictures it. Then if you get up one set
Speaker 1: atter day and you want to do a crossword puzzle,
Speaker 1: the crossword puzzle will be easier later in the day
Speaker 1: because other people have been doing the crossword puzzle and
Speaker 1: their collective success is resonating through the more fake field.
Speaker 1: Like that's an example of how this would work. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? Hmm? Totally? I mean it, yes, that
Speaker 1: the example makes sense, but it's a tough thing to
Speaker 1: wrap your head around, I guess as in that could
Speaker 1: be true absolutely, Matt. And also just to to piggyback
Speaker 1: on something that Ben says, I, I too, have not
Speaker 1: really dived deep into this man's work. This was my
Speaker 1: first encounter with him looking into this for this listener
Speaker 1: mail response, and I'm fascinated. I think he has some
Speaker 1: very pithy things to say about what we literally just
Speaker 1: talked about about the ability for you know, scientists to
Speaker 1: explore things that maybe the establishment of a scientific community
Speaker 1: would you know, sort of stick their nose up at that.
Speaker 1: That in and of itself is enough for me to
Speaker 1: want to dig deeper. But this is a really good
Speaker 1: kind of encapsulation of his whole philosophy um and I
Speaker 1: think it drives a lot with what we were just
Speaker 1: talking about. He says, science believes animals and plants are
Speaker 1: all just unconscious automatons. The whole of nature is unconscious
Speaker 1: except for human beings. We're the only smart guys in
Speaker 1: the whole universe and somehow figured out how everything works,
Speaker 1: and that means through science we can manipulate nature and
Speaker 1: improve products for corporations, says then shel Drake pauses and says,
Speaker 1: Descartes believe the only kind of mind was the conscious mind.
Speaker 1: Then Freud reinvented the unconscious. Then Young said it wasn't
Speaker 1: just a personal unconscious, but a collective unconscious. Morphic residence
Speaker 1: shows us that our very souls are connected with those
Speaker 1: of others and bound up with the world around us.
Speaker 1: Existence of the soul. I know it sounds horrible though.
Speaker 1: That's my first that's my person epic. But I think
Speaker 1: you're right, that is that is a great quote. I
Speaker 1: want to also say a non thank you for ha ha,
Speaker 1: thank you for calling us. We have to mention the
Speaker 1: hundred monkey effect. That's the idea that a a new
Speaker 1: behavior can somehow appear to spread rapidly through unexplained means
Speaker 1: from a single group to every other related group once
Speaker 1: there's this kind of critical mass of cognizance or knowledge
Speaker 1: of a task. It's called the hundredth monkey thing because
Speaker 1: of this study that was conducted in the fifties on
Speaker 1: Japanese monkeys, and they saw okay, So the the idea
Speaker 1: is that there are these unrelated populations of the same
Speaker 1: kind of living thing, right, and at some point a
Speaker 1: few of them say, I'm just making up stuff here.
Speaker 1: At some point a few of them learn to baby
Speaker 1: wash food or maybe to hunt with tools like the
Speaker 1: stab fish or something with a stick, and they teach
Speaker 1: this to other members of their group. And then eventually,
Speaker 1: for no discernible reason, a group of the same species,
Speaker 1: maybe across the country, across the world, suddenly appears to
Speaker 1: have that knowledge. How did it get there? Right, It's
Speaker 1: a mystery, but I think that would apply. That would
Speaker 1: be something worth exploring for fans of more FIC residents.
Speaker 1: I don't know, have you guys heard of that theory? Now,
Speaker 1: we've talked. We talked about it on the show before. Yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: I've definitely heard of this. Um. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: it was the last year when we were talking about
Speaker 1: No that wasn't the stoned apes theory there we did
Speaker 1: one on magic mushrooms and the and Jesus Um. I
Speaker 1: cannot recall exactly when maybe somebody out there listening remembers.
Speaker 1: It also reminds me of the stoned ape theory that
Speaker 1: Terence McKenna always talks about Um. By the way, Terrence
Speaker 1: McKenna and and shel Drake, we're pals um Terence mackin
Speaker 1: of the kind of pioneering psycho, not the notion that
Speaker 1: you know, it was the eighth, that eighth, the psychedelic
Speaker 1: mushroom that gave him more visual acuity and connection with
Speaker 1: the surroundings to become a better hunter Um and all
Speaker 1: of that stuff. So it does remind me of that.
Speaker 1: And to be clear, like morphic residents, the concept of
Speaker 1: the hundred monkey is not accepted in the Ivory towers,
Speaker 1: it's not accepted in academia, it's not accepted by mainstream science.
Speaker 1: It's a matter of fact. The test that the urban
Speaker 1: legend was based off there the colony of monkeys, there
Speaker 1: was only about fifty nine I think, so there actually
Speaker 1: was no physical hundredth monkey. But how cool would it
Speaker 1: be if it's true? How cool to be if there
Speaker 1: were Oh man, well, hey, this has been a great,
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Speaker 1: who called in this is this has been fabulous. I
Speaker 1: think it Who was it Schmidt? Yes, you're right, Matt.
Speaker 1: Thank you to Schmidt. Thank you to Jason, Thank you too,
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