Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt. They call
Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super
Speaker 1: producer Paul Mission Control deck, and most importantly, you are you.
Speaker 1: You are here and that makes this stuff they don't
Speaker 1: want you to know. How you feeling today, Matt, I'm
Speaker 1: feeling feeling well. It's finally colder here, so much colder
Speaker 1: than it has been that I get to wear my
Speaker 1: you know, my black leather gloves, in my big black jacket,
Speaker 1: in my black hat when I'm driving, and I feel
Speaker 1: like some kind of anti super serial killer hero. Uh
Speaker 1: side know, Paul michigantrol dec and just chimed in with
Speaker 1: serial killer. I don't know if that made it on
Speaker 1: the mike. No, I don't think it did, but that's
Speaker 1: why it was a super serial killer hero. Yeah. Driving
Speaker 1: with your balaklava on h Yeah, it just feels good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I believe this is one of the states where it
Speaker 1: is technically illegal to operate a motor vehicle wearing a mask.
Speaker 1: Yeah have you heard about that? Probably, but they haven't
Speaker 1: caught me yet. Yeah. I don't see how that would
Speaker 1: apply to things that require helmets like motorcycles and so on. Anyhow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I also felt the strange switch. Suddenly we woke up
Speaker 1: and it was fall, you know, or maybe we skipped
Speaker 1: fall and it's just winter now. Yeah, it's getting pretty close.
Speaker 1: And you know, like many people dealing with the rapidly
Speaker 1: changing climate, we are discovering a paradigm shift in conversation.
Speaker 1: Remember those old house yon days where it was considered
Speaker 1: boring or small talk to talk about the weather. We
Speaker 1: were growing up. That's something old people and boring people did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think maybe we're just a little older and
Speaker 1: more boring that that is a valid that's a valid assertion.
Speaker 1: It's happening more frequently in my life at least, or
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say valid proposition because I
Speaker 1: would I would argue that now the weather is becoming
Speaker 1: so unpredictable and wild card esque, we all tend to
Speaker 1: talk about the weather more because we have to check in,
Speaker 1: because no one knows what's going to happen, you know,
Speaker 1: is it is it used to. We're no longer shooting
Speaker 1: the breeze. We're we're ensuring people's safety and livelihood. You
Speaker 1: don't know, if you ask somebody what the weather, what
Speaker 1: the weather is like in their part of town, they
Speaker 1: might say, well, the tornado has gained sentience, which we
Speaker 1: were not expecting. But scientists say that's because we didn't
Speaker 1: recycle or something like that. Sure, I'm I'm not exaggerating
Speaker 1: a bit, but today's episode is in a way about
Speaker 1: the weather. It is in a way about the environment,
Speaker 1: because whether you live in the frozen wilds of the
Speaker 1: Arctic North or the sweltering climes of the Tropic or
Speaker 1: the you know, objectively perfect environment of Hawaii, you've doubtlessly
Speaker 1: had one of those weird conversations about whether with outsiders.
Speaker 1: You know, yes, says somebody in the upper reaches of Scandinavia.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the sun sets at four pm here. Other times
Speaker 1: it's dark for you know, weeks on end, or the
Speaker 1: sun just doesn't leave at all. It's it's normal for us.
Speaker 1: And while weather across the planet can vary to a
Speaker 1: wide degree, it is a pretty impressive that our species,
Speaker 1: um most of whom were largely identical to one another
Speaker 1: in terms of physiological requirements. It's impressive that we can
Speaker 1: all exist for long periods of time and these very
Speaker 1: different conditions you know, you know, in our cultures have
Speaker 1: of kind of been tailored in a lot of ways
Speaker 1: to these different weather patterns and the climates in which
Speaker 1: we've you know, existed. Yeah, religions are born a lot
Speaker 1: of times early on at least out of these patterns.
Speaker 1: Good call. Right, Yeah, we're toolmakers, were arrogant, we are explainers,
Speaker 1: and we are woefully satisfied with our own explanations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we're also feelers because we've got a lot of
Speaker 1: chemicals that float around in us that cause us to
Speaker 1: feel ways, or at least they affect the way we
Speaker 1: feel about things sometimes. Right, And I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this too with the old Robert Frost poem Tree at
Speaker 1: my window. You remember that, So there's this line tree
Speaker 1: in my window is obviously it's about this tree that
Speaker 1: Robert Frost is really digging at the time, or to
Speaker 1: be fair, the speaker of the poem if not, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe he's faking it. Maybe he didn't have a tree.
Speaker 1: It could be a character. Yeah, maybe it's like a
Speaker 1: metaphor for nuke. The war is something who knows, right, Well,
Speaker 1: there's this, there's this thought in the last two lines
Speaker 1: where he talks about the tree experiencing outer weather and
Speaker 1: himself or again the speaker of the poem being concerned
Speaker 1: with their own inner weather. And today's episode is about that.
Speaker 1: I love that you set up uh, the the idea
Speaker 1: of all these neurochemicals and reactions just bouncing willy nilly
Speaker 1: and unseen in every person's brain box. Because today's episode
Speaker 1: does not center around climate change, it's about a more
Speaker 1: primal question people have been asking for the very least centuries.
Speaker 1: That is, how does the outer weather, the environment affect
Speaker 1: our own inner psychological weather. Can something in the air,
Speaker 1: some lack of sunlight, or some overabundance of moonlight really
Speaker 1: make us, for lack of a better phrase, hesitate to
Speaker 1: say it, but go crazy. Yes, let's say, act abnormally
Speaker 1: through ourselves, at least to ourselves, um in the ways
Speaker 1: we've we've come to see ourselves. Here are the facts.
Speaker 1: There is a common wisdom that floats around the internet,
Speaker 1: has been around for a long time that whether in
Speaker 1: some ways can affect people's moods, how they feel whether
Speaker 1: or not they're excited to wake up in the morning,
Speaker 1: or you know, if they're feeling a little sad now
Speaker 1: and then. And there is this idea of it is
Speaker 1: it has a name that is kind of delightful, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's just delightful to speak of.
Speaker 1: It's called SAD Seasonal effective disorder SAD. Yes, And we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit later on. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: just planning the seed for sad. We're here. It will
Speaker 1: it will be fruitful later on. Now. Um, there's an
Speaker 1: unrelated idea that my wife and I have talked about
Speaker 1: a lot of times because of her involvement with children,
Speaker 1: um in in a school environment, of whether or not
Speaker 1: the moon can actually affect us as well to the
Speaker 1: amount of light that's being reflected upon us by the moon. Really,
Speaker 1: that's what they're talking about, where the moon is and
Speaker 1: how much light is being reflected. Can this make us
Speaker 1: feel different? Yeah, stable perhaps? Yeah. Yeah. This is an
Speaker 1: ancient idea, and it goes in a couple of different directions.
Speaker 1: The ancient idea is um the concept that the moon
Speaker 1: maybe not so much the light sometimes light Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: just the idea that a more visible moon means a
Speaker 1: moon is physically closer. Uh. This this dates back all
Speaker 1: the way to philosophers like Aristotle and the often hilariously
Speaker 1: incorrect historian Pliny the Elder. From the Roman historian, they
Speaker 1: thought that the brain was the moistest oregon in the body,
Speaker 1: and that therefore, like the oceans, it was the most
Speaker 1: susceptible to the insidious influences of the moon because of
Speaker 1: the way the moon can affect the tides and the oceans.
Speaker 1: And this went through this idea, which again as ancient,
Speaker 1: has gone through many different iterations and names. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: was called the lunar lunacy effect or the Transylvania effect,
Speaker 1: and it's the belief, you know, survived the fall of
Speaker 1: the Roman Empire and survived the fall of the ancient
Speaker 1: Greeks in the Middle Ages when people when when it
Speaker 1: was just commonly accepted that some people turn into wolves,
Speaker 1: you know, some people are in league with infernal powers
Speaker 1: and they turn into wolves, and that's just how the
Speaker 1: cookie crumbles, right, Uh. They they of course thought that
Speaker 1: the moon had these unholy influences even on um people
Speaker 1: who say their prayers at night, you know, and the
Speaker 1: the wolfs bane reference. Yeah, the full moon is a
Speaker 1: weird thing. It's a weird thing. Back in the nineteenth century,
Speaker 1: there is even this thing that you could argue in
Speaker 1: court that, uh, you could argue that somebody was not
Speaker 1: guilty by reason of the full moon. Let's say, if
Speaker 1: you're a defense lawyer and you're representing somebody, and they
Speaker 1: would make their their claim that this quote unquote lunatic
Speaker 1: client was you know, not accountable for whatever he or
Speaker 1: she did because the full moon was there. And we
Speaker 1: all know how the full moon affects us, especially when
Speaker 1: we're turning into wolves and such. Just kidding. This is
Speaker 1: now the nineteenth century, So we've moved beyond werewolves, not
Speaker 1: not fully, but we moved a bit beyond werewolves eight
Speaker 1: hundreds Eastern Europe, people people were still certain, you know,
Speaker 1: and and in in less uh you know, in less
Speaker 1: densely populated areas in the world today, belief in physical
Speaker 1: shape shifters. It's it's still around, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: as popular. Yeah, well, I mean, and there's there's lot
Speaker 1: too to be said there on the full moon. There's
Speaker 1: there's a ton of things here about how the full
Speaker 1: moon can possibly affect us. So That's that's the interesting part,
Speaker 1: right where wolves aside, ancient rome aside, the belief in
Speaker 1: this relationship between the moon waxing and people acting unstable
Speaker 1: persist in the modern day. You will see the lunar
Speaker 1: cycle blamed for everything from spikes and suicide attempts and
Speaker 1: psychiatric hospital emissions, to emergency room calls and reports, to
Speaker 1: traffic accidents, to dog bites and more and more and
Speaker 1: more and again. Just hanging it back to our wife
Speaker 1: and just for a second, she believes this kind of
Speaker 1: her theory or her hypothesis is that the amount of
Speaker 1: light shining down on a darkened earth at any given
Speaker 1: time can affect sleep patterns, the way a child or
Speaker 1: an adult falls asleep, how long it takes to false,
Speaker 1: how how well they're able to sleep, just because of
Speaker 1: an increased amount of light within a room, unless they
Speaker 1: are blackout curtains or something like that. She thinks that
Speaker 1: can have an effect on the next day. Essentially, I see, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's um disturbance and circadian rhythm, right that. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's a good argument. I would I would want
Speaker 1: to hear the opinion too of how that if light
Speaker 1: is if light is the cause there ultimately of some
Speaker 1: sort of disturbance in otherwise normal behavior. Is it dependent
Speaker 1: on the type of light? Is that what creates the disturbance?
Speaker 1: Because now we live in a place where many, many,
Speaker 1: many people have artificial lights, whether they're even just computer
Speaker 1: screens of television screens on while they sleep. So are
Speaker 1: you know, as a disturbed circadian rhythm the new normal?
Speaker 1: I could definitely see it uh being really solid uh
Speaker 1: proposition in the days before electricity, you know, I like
Speaker 1: maybe maybe the disturbance has changed over time because of
Speaker 1: the rise of electric lights. So yeah, I would just
Speaker 1: say from you know, not to get into an argument
Speaker 1: about this, but within at my home, the moon's light
Speaker 1: uh comes into our windows at my house to such
Speaker 1: a significant effect that it looks like we've got lights
Speaker 1: on outside. Um, when there's a full moon compared to
Speaker 1: when there's even a half moon or or you know, lesser. Um,
Speaker 1: do you feel that's pushing closer to like anthropy or
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but but it certainly does affect my
Speaker 1: ability to get to sleep and just personally. And I
Speaker 1: just wonder how how much of an effect that would
Speaker 1: be outside of computer screens, outside of you know, artificial life,
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's that's again, that's one of my big questions.
Speaker 1: There would be the type of light, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Is it uv thing? Is it something in
Speaker 1: the led displays? People are still debating about this, and
Speaker 1: there's an interesting scientific quibble here. Py Chiatrists across the
Speaker 1: planet and certainly throughout the West, including people like Miami
Speaker 1: psychiatrists Arnold Lieber, have argued um have argued less about
Speaker 1: light and more about water, the idea that just like
Speaker 1: Aristotle and Plenty said, the full moon has an effect
Speaker 1: on behavior because the human body is almost water. So again,
Speaker 1: maybe the moon is disrupting something about the way water
Speaker 1: functions in our nervous systems. Specifically, Other people, not just psychiatrists,
Speaker 1: tend to agree, and large groups of people tend to
Speaker 1: agree that the moon does something wonky to human beings
Speaker 1: or is this survey a few years back that said
Speaker 1: around forty of college students believe yes, the moon can
Speaker 1: affect human behavior in increasing their likelihood of doing something
Speaker 1: unusual for them. That's the thing's all case by case
Speaker 1: unusual for them. For some one, unusual might be staying
Speaker 1: up till three am and eating a pint of ice
Speaker 1: cream for other people. Unusual maybe you know robbing. Uh,
Speaker 1: toys r us. I'm trying to think of things that
Speaker 1: aren't around, so we don't get any angry letters. Toys
Speaker 1: r us or radio shack somewhere there we go I
Speaker 1: kept its stores unlocked. A media play. Uh, there are
Speaker 1: still sears in Alaska. Isn't that weird? So this this
Speaker 1: is interesting because this isn't just cherry picking one survey.
Speaker 1: Other surveys seemed to indicate that mental health professionals might
Speaker 1: be more likely than the average person to believe in
Speaker 1: this relationship, and sectors of law enforcement. That should not
Speaker 1: surprise anybody, whether you yourself or l e O, or
Speaker 1: whether you have one in your friend group or your family.
Speaker 1: A lot of members of law enforcements share this belief.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact. Back in the nineties seventies,
Speaker 1: the International Association of the Chiefs of Police put their
Speaker 1: money where their mouth is. They commissioned a study to
Speaker 1: discover whether there was in a scientific basis to the
Speaker 1: belief that the full moon makes people Let's not say crazy,
Speaker 1: let's say weird. What do we know? What they found?
Speaker 1: We'll tell you after a word from our sponsor. Here's
Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. Oddly enough, multiple studies, not all
Speaker 1: the studies, but the majority of studies conducted in this
Speaker 1: field or towards this question, have found no discernible scientific
Speaker 1: evidence that the full moon has any sort of physiological
Speaker 1: effect on the human mind. So we can we can
Speaker 1: bust the water myth first. Before we get to that,
Speaker 1: Please note everyone the way we phrased that finding that
Speaker 1: the full moon does not have any sort of physiological
Speaker 1: effect on the human mind that is different from a
Speaker 1: psychological effect. Right, So there's a dilemma there, But we're
Speaker 1: we're pretty sure as a species that if the moon
Speaker 1: has some sort of, uh, some sort of delatorious effect
Speaker 1: on human beings, it is not due to the water
Speaker 1: content of our bodies. Let's go to the Scientific American
Speaker 1: with some quotes that list the problems with this whole
Speaker 1: water gravity theory, like, is the moon actually changing the
Speaker 1: water inside of us? It says, quote first, the gravitational
Speaker 1: effects of the moon are far too minuscule to generate
Speaker 1: any meaningful effects on brain activity, let alone behavior. As
Speaker 1: the late astronomer George Bell of the University of California,
Speaker 1: Los Angeles noted, a mosquito sitting on your arm exerts
Speaker 1: a more powerful gravitational effect on us than the moon does.
Speaker 1: Now that's intense. This is me speaking outside of the quote.
Speaker 1: That's an intense fact. If it is indeed affect and
Speaker 1: it was said by a former astronomer, so we must
Speaker 1: believe it. Let's continue on. Yet, to the best of
Speaker 1: our knowledge, there have been no reports of a mosquito
Speaker 1: lunacy effect. So there's a little biting remark there. Um,
Speaker 1: let's go on. Second, the Moon's gravitational force affects only
Speaker 1: open bodies of water, such as oceans and lakes, but
Speaker 1: not contained sources of water such as the human brain.
Speaker 1: Pretty rock solid, it really is. It is contained within
Speaker 1: our skulls. This last one is the most interesting. Yes. Quote. Third,
Speaker 1: the gravitational effect of the moon is just as potent
Speaker 1: during new moons, when the moon is visible to us,
Speaker 1: as it is during full moons. So ha ha, the
Speaker 1: light of the moon is a more likely candidate for
Speaker 1: affecting us. I'm just kidding, but it is sure. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: let's find out. Going back to water. What this means
Speaker 1: is that the perception that we have, well, it does
Speaker 1: hold its own internal logic. You know, there's some analog there.
Speaker 1: The moon affects water in certain ways or in certain
Speaker 1: you know, situations, then why not the human brain. What's
Speaker 1: so special about the water and the human body? Nothing
Speaker 1: except temporarily it's location. This means that if we want
Speaker 1: to dive into the belief that there's some sort of
Speaker 1: causal relationship between the moon and specifically crime, right, if
Speaker 1: we want to look at law enforcement data, then we
Speaker 1: will need to reject the water myth or the water
Speaker 1: part of the moon myth, and will need to regard,
Speaker 1: at least as some degree, the huge amount of anecdotal
Speaker 1: evidence from police officers across the planet because a lot
Speaker 1: of these folks wholeheartedly believe in this, but maybe maybe
Speaker 1: not the way you think, because often you know, people
Speaker 1: who work in law enforcement or trained to apply critical thinging,
Speaker 1: so they will, hopefully they're paying attention and training, be
Speaker 1: some of the more skeptical members of society at large.
Speaker 1: So let's consider the work of a guy named David Hunter.
Speaker 1: David Hunter was a retired deputy from Knox County, Tennessee.
Speaker 1: In his book The Moon Is Always Full, he collected
Speaker 1: multiple stories of police officers relaying strange events let's call
Speaker 1: them lunar war stories, things that happened while they were
Speaker 1: on duty during the full moon. However, a hunter does
Speaker 1: not believe that there is a physiological mechanism at play here. Instead,
Speaker 1: he believes it is squarely something in the sphere of
Speaker 1: the psychological. He says that the moon crime relationship, or
Speaker 1: perception thereof, is a matter of self fulfilling prophecies. And
Speaker 1: he notes, he says, hey, you know, almost cops, the
Speaker 1: adrenaline junkies, if nothing happens on a graveyard shift, they get,
Speaker 1: you know, disappointed. So the full moon gives a cop
Speaker 1: of reason to investigate things he I usually ignore. H So,
Speaker 1: just the fact that it is a full moon. The
Speaker 1: police officer thinking to him or herself, Oh, it's a
Speaker 1: full moon. I gotta check this out right right right.
Speaker 1: I've seen the movies, I've seen the tropes or you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's similar to I guess bade or mine huff
Speaker 1: to where you know you you here, turn the beat
Speaker 1: around once and then are you think of the song
Speaker 1: and then you feel like you've heard it three times
Speaker 1: in the past forty eight hours? But have you or
Speaker 1: were you just noticing more. You know, are you using
Speaker 1: turn the beat around as like a verb, like I
Speaker 1: did a thing I turned the beat around, I mean
Speaker 1: the song. But yeah, you turn the beat around if
Speaker 1: you'd like, you know, But but you know, this doesn't
Speaker 1: take into account like I'm just imagining. I'm not cooping
Speaker 1: Hunters writing here. I'm just saying there's a differ prints
Speaker 1: between investigating, like having something to investigate and choosing to
Speaker 1: investigate something. And so I guess what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: say is a police officer generally is going to respond
Speaker 1: to calls that come through, especially you know, uniform police
Speaker 1: officer that's in a patrol vehicle or is on patrol.
Speaker 1: They will get called to a thing to investigate something,
Speaker 1: or they will observe something and investigate it. Right, those
Speaker 1: are generally the two ways in which, uh, a report
Speaker 1: is going to get generated for you know, something that
Speaker 1: the police officer did that evening. I don't know how
Speaker 1: them choosing to or not to investigate something would differ
Speaker 1: with the moon, because that would also happen. What I
Speaker 1: think you're raising is a fascinating point because in the
Speaker 1: order of operations, right, the chain of events, their decision
Speaker 1: to whether or not to investigate something a k a.
Speaker 1: Do their job occurs after something has already happened, Right,
Speaker 1: so they are reacting to an event, hopefully rather than
Speaker 1: just going out there and whatever. Right, I doubt that.
Speaker 1: I doubt that, but I see what you're saying. It's
Speaker 1: very important because then that means that their decision has
Speaker 1: very little to do with whether or not there is
Speaker 1: a higher a higher number of incidents during the evening
Speaker 1: of a full moon. Right, yeah, one would have to
Speaker 1: come before the other. Okay, uh And interesting too, because
Speaker 1: I know I feel like you're big proponent of the
Speaker 1: light argument, just feeling it. It's interesting. Well what about
Speaker 1: when a full moon is out during the day? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's observable, crazy pandemonium kids everywhere like the moon there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if anybody else remembers this,
Speaker 1: but I very clearly the first time I saw the
Speaker 1: moon during the day and I thought the jig was up.
Speaker 1: I thought it was the end, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, the quality is going to fall
Speaker 1: off a little bit at the end, so we had
Speaker 1: a good run. Well, it is a weird. That is
Speaker 1: a weird thing. I wonder how universal the concept is. Um.
Speaker 1: I think there's a sense growing up that the sun
Speaker 1: is out or the moon is out right and the
Speaker 1: moon is out at night, of the sun is out
Speaker 1: at day, and you cannot have both because how could
Speaker 1: it be night end day. That's not a thing, that's
Speaker 1: not possible. But then you, you know, begin to realize
Speaker 1: that the sun and moon, like all things, are a
Speaker 1: sliding scale or a spectrum of almost all things. It's
Speaker 1: this weird it's this weird function of reality night and
Speaker 1: day or just part of the same wheel man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. Uh So let's let's go back, because we
Speaker 1: do have to point out, in all fairness to the
Speaker 1: retired depth the hunter that he is, by his own admission,
Speaker 1: not a scientist. He is collecting this in in a
Speaker 1: way that's very similar to um, the way someone would
Speaker 1: collect folklore, you know what. I So, let's go to
Speaker 1: members of academia, members of the Ivory Tower, the capital
Speaker 1: a academy. Finally, uh University California, Irvine criminology professor Karis
Speaker 1: Kubrin calls this perception amongst l e O s a
Speaker 1: kind of confirmation bias, adding that the officers are looking
Speaker 1: for evidence that confirms their pre existing belief. Pre Existing
Speaker 1: is a phrase I I inserted into that quotation. So
Speaker 1: let me not mislead you, fellow listeners. This is something personally,
Speaker 1: and this is just one person's opinion that I could
Speaker 1: get behind, because we know that happens. We know this
Speaker 1: happens often to everyone. We we build coincidences or we
Speaker 1: curate coincidence in a way that um most aids, and
Speaker 1: it bets our own narrative. So you could go through
Speaker 1: a troublesome traffic light fifty times, right, and it's it.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's always green, right, except for the twelve times
Speaker 1: that you happen to catch it when it's red light.
Speaker 1: And then by time eleven, you're like, this light sucks.
Speaker 1: This happens all the time. How much of my life
Speaker 1: have I spent here waiting at this pos traffic light?
Speaker 1: And then you know the way other people work. If
Speaker 1: you say that, especially if you're complaining about traffic, other
Speaker 1: people are not going to go what is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: That light is awesome. I looked at my stats for
Speaker 1: that light, and Buddy, I am green sixty percent at
Speaker 1: the time. No, they're gonna go, yeah, man, traffic lights blow.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. It's like they should
Speaker 1: just pay them red because the color never changes. There
Speaker 1: are very few of us, but there are a few
Speaker 1: of us who would take the side of the traffic
Speaker 1: light just by default because somebody's complaining. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I I. I don't want to get too far into this,
Speaker 1: but I've been involved. It's when we're traffic light conversations.
Speaker 1: Do you know how easy those systems are to hack? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It is frightening, dude, It is frightening. How uh how
Speaker 1: little effort it would take to totally collapse some traffic
Speaker 1: systems in cities here in the US. We're supposed to
Speaker 1: be a developed country. In Atlanta, it takes about three
Speaker 1: broken lights to just screw up the whole thing. I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we all call it a day at that point. That's why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty it's pretty rough, especially especially neighbor were working.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I'm doing a I'm doing an episode later
Speaker 1: this week spoiler alert for our show car Stuff, which
Speaker 1: has hit the road again, and one of the one
Speaker 1: of the things we're gonna look at is the cost
Speaker 1: of traffic. Like traffic, it is expensive. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: Forget millions, forget billions. It costs like trillions of dollars
Speaker 1: a year. Yeah, but dude, strategic traffic. If you've got
Speaker 1: a business that's on like a major road, yeah, traffic
Speaker 1: is the stuff. Man. I was thinking that, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is a terrible idea. I want to preface this. This
Speaker 1: is a terrible idea. No one do it. It's not cool.
Speaker 1: But it would work. Oh god, I added that at
Speaker 1: the end. So, we have a lot of traffic jams.
Speaker 1: Right in other cities, you'll see people who wait at
Speaker 1: traffic jams to sell things, right, So what if we
Speaker 1: had our worst traffic jams here in Atlanta tend to
Speaker 1: be on interstates. What if we had some kind of
Speaker 1: like side scooter type things that could go out when
Speaker 1: traffic is stopped when it's good blocked and sell snacks,
Speaker 1: uh sell, sell beverages, non alcohol like uh sell you know,
Speaker 1: do dads, flowers toys. It's it's like a rolling convenience
Speaker 1: store on the highways, on the highway, on the shoulder
Speaker 1: of the highway in places where again like four thirty
Speaker 1: to seven thirty, it's the only time they're open because
Speaker 1: that's the only time traffic is slow enough for these
Speaker 1: people not to get killed. Now Here the three reasons
Speaker 1: it is a horrible idea. One, I would want to
Speaker 1: operate it as a nonprofit and give the money to
Speaker 1: disadvantage people, which is never gonna fly with Atlanta's government. Two. Uh,
Speaker 1: we're talking about sending people out in traffic. Even if
Speaker 1: the speed is zero that could very quickly become sixty
Speaker 1: and then we're just like one scrape up away from
Speaker 1: the whole thing collapsing. Yeah, but I bet you could
Speaker 1: charge a premium on this is this is my solution, right,
Speaker 1: Because people are stuck in traffic, they can't escape on
Speaker 1: some exit because they know if they go escape on
Speaker 1: the exit to hit up whatever fast food joint or
Speaker 1: let's say a racetrack or q T here or insert
Speaker 1: your gas station seven eleven here, Um, they know it's
Speaker 1: just gonna take even longer to get back on the
Speaker 1: highway and they won't be able to get where they're going.
Speaker 1: But if somebody, let's say, was on the side of
Speaker 1: the road and they could make it to you, if
Speaker 1: they could get to your car door your window, roll
Speaker 1: it down and that's all you gotta do. Roll down
Speaker 1: your window and swipe your card and you can have
Speaker 1: let's just say, some something as simple as some chips
Speaker 1: and an ice cold beverage. They will pay you like
Speaker 1: movie theater prices. And if they're paying movie theater prices,
Speaker 1: not only can you pay for your staff and they'll
Speaker 1: have a pretty nice wage. You'll be able to donate
Speaker 1: a good chunk of that the way you wanted to
Speaker 1: donate it. Again, the city government will never let it happen.
Speaker 1: But I like what you're saying because then also think
Speaker 1: about this, Uh well, the last problem, the last problem,
Speaker 1: of course, I think I have a solution to the
Speaker 1: last problem is in the biggest ones, which is it
Speaker 1: would further ruin cripple traffic to have everybody trying to
Speaker 1: get to the shoulder at a stopping point. You know,
Speaker 1: of course there it's a very self centered species, so
Speaker 1: there will be a lot of people in the middle
Speaker 1: who are like, hey, forget you buddy, bring that RBS
Speaker 1: to me. I got things to do. Uh, it's true.
Speaker 1: But here's the solution. Instead of people, when we just
Speaker 1: send drones out. That was good. That was literally the
Speaker 1: thing next. Yeah, drones, you just need uh reliably for
Speaker 1: them to operate at peak efficiency. You need a sunroof, though,
Speaker 1: so it's already kind of for the elite. I mean
Speaker 1: it would be anyway, if you're gonna pay movie theater
Speaker 1: prices for anything, right, I guess, I guess there aren't
Speaker 1: a lot of people who who are just scraping by
Speaker 1: so they could save up for their drone. Uh chloopas drone,
Speaker 1: chalupas man. You know what, I apologize for derailing us here.
Speaker 1: Let us know what you think of this idea. Matt.
Speaker 1: You're kind, you're you're kind of turning me back into
Speaker 1: a proponent of it. You know, I would, I'd get
Speaker 1: into this venture. Cool. I think I agree with you. Also,
Speaker 1: if we partner up with a fast food franchise, since
Speaker 1: we're already ruining the world with drones them, we could
Speaker 1: we could get them to sink some of the overhead
Speaker 1: costs for us. Um. You know there's this fast food
Speaker 1: chain that makes chicken sandwiches. Not the one you're thinking about,
Speaker 1: it's that one from Louisiana. Uh if you had them
Speaker 1: with their chicken sandwiches. Oh, my goodness, food for thought,
Speaker 1: literally food for thought. Let's let's go back to Sorry,
Speaker 1: I got us to traffic from from folklore in the moon.
Speaker 1: But let's go back to the Academy capital A. There's
Speaker 1: another professor who attributes this perception, this causual perception between
Speaker 1: the moon and extraordinary behavior to folklore rather than to science.
Speaker 1: Professor Elizabeth Loftis says she will not outright condone a
Speaker 1: correlation between the moon and craziness, but she does concede
Speaker 1: that quote. Maybe mentally ill people get weirded out by
Speaker 1: the full moon and behave in strange ways. If this
Speaker 1: is the case, then what we might be perceiving as
Speaker 1: a weird effect of moonlight or gravity or water, what
Speaker 1: have you, may in fact just be a collection of
Speaker 1: isolated incidents wherein people who were already unwell, where somehow
Speaker 1: triggered by a specific environmental event. And in these cases,
Speaker 1: maybe it just happened to be the moon. Maybe we're
Speaker 1: not paying enough attention to other things, like an eclipse.
Speaker 1: People go nuts steering an eclipse, you know, for one
Speaker 1: reason or another. Back to what you said about religio,
Speaker 1: Some religions are founded on being able to predict an
Speaker 1: eclipse and then go absolutely ham when one happens. They
Speaker 1: are wonderful, they are they are but you know, if
Speaker 1: you can get a spot where you get totality. Ah,
Speaker 1: but but the moon is the moon alone, is not
Speaker 1: the weather nor the environment entire So we mentioned sad earlier,
Speaker 1: but what exactly is it? How does it work? Will
Speaker 1: tell you after a word from our sponsors, and we
Speaker 1: are back. So let's get sad everybody. Um sorry, um,
Speaker 1: so let's let's discuss seasonal effective disorder. It's um it's
Speaker 1: more rare than probably the media would want you to believe,
Speaker 1: or has made us believe, but it is indeed very
Speaker 1: much a real thing. And let's just talk about what
Speaker 1: it means. Seasonality or this disorder is reported by approximately
Speaker 1: ten people with depression. So that's somebody who already is
Speaker 1: feeling depression or having depression, and they are either saying
Speaker 1: this is a part of it or the entirety of
Speaker 1: their depression, of the changes in season. Then of those
Speaker 1: with bipolar disorder also, you know, report that seasonality or
Speaker 1: seasonal effective disorder is also affecting them, right right, Like,
Speaker 1: I I know what my uh my variation may be
Speaker 1: mood and emotion values, peaks and values exactly, and even
Speaker 1: correcting for that, I notice some enormous values and there
Speaker 1: are some fascinating real reasons behind some of this stuff.
Speaker 1: That again, as we're talking a little bit more about
Speaker 1: the chemicals in our bodies and how those change this stuff, Um,
Speaker 1: it goes deeper in it and it speaks to our connection,
Speaker 1: humanity's connection to the sun. Oh sure, yeah. According to
Speaker 1: the Mayo Clinic, SAD or seasonal effective disorder, it's a
Speaker 1: type of depression that's related to changes in the seasons.
Speaker 1: It begins and ends around the same couple of times
Speaker 1: every year. And if you're like most people with this condition,
Speaker 1: your symptoms start in autumn. They begin in the fall,
Speaker 1: they continue into the winter months. You are lethargic, your
Speaker 1: energy is sapped, you feel moody less often. We have
Speaker 1: seen cases of people reporting SAD in the other direction
Speaker 1: in the spring or early summer. The signs and symptoms
Speaker 1: are going to be very familiar for anyone who has
Speaker 1: had these win tree blues before. You will feel depressed
Speaker 1: most of the day, almost every day. The stuff that
Speaker 1: you enjoyed, video games, volleyball, cyber bullying, Twitter, people or whatever,
Speaker 1: you don't enjoy it anymore. You have low energy. But
Speaker 1: even though you feel tired all the time you cannot sleep.
Speaker 1: You also don't enjoy a lot of the food you
Speaker 1: used to like. A lot of people report that they
Speaker 1: feel agitated when when they're experiencing this, or or sluggish,
Speaker 1: having a difficult time concentrating, like let's say, if you're
Speaker 1: at school or at work, just can't really wrap your
Speaker 1: mind around one thing. Um, feeling hopeless, sometimes feeling guilty
Speaker 1: or worthless. Again, these are a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of these symptoms of just overall depression too, having frequent
Speaker 1: thoughts of death or suicide. And there's some science to this.
Speaker 1: As you would as you had said met, we know
Speaker 1: that when your body, as long as you qualify as
Speaker 1: a human being, when your body is exposed to less sunlight,
Speaker 1: it produces more melatonin. Melatonin is the hormone that makes
Speaker 1: you sleepy. It's pretty popular in the West as a
Speaker 1: sleep aid nowadays. Then there's also a pretty solid idea
Speaker 1: called the face shift hypothesis. The face shift hypothesis proposes
Speaker 1: what we had just talked about earlier in the beginning
Speaker 1: of the show, and it says that shortened days caused
Speaker 1: the timing of our circadian rhythms to fall out of
Speaker 1: sync with the actual time of day because there's this
Speaker 1: delay in the release of melatonin. And just as your body,
Speaker 1: your flesh bag, begins craving these mid day naps, your
Speaker 1: brain begins producing lower levels of serotonin. Yeah, the tickle,
Speaker 1: that's what I call it. Yeah, your brain stops making
Speaker 1: the tickle that is with a capital T. So your mood,
Speaker 1: your appetite, your sleep, your sexual desire, none of them,
Speaker 1: none of them scratch the itch anymore. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't get the tickle. What's the point of living if
Speaker 1: you don't have to, you know, if you don't enjoy
Speaker 1: the way stuff taste, if you're not excited about doing something,
Speaker 1: you're just sort of getting a participation grade. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: tickle of it's of the highest import and that stinks
Speaker 1: to have it deadened, a little bit nullified in a way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And how like, for instance, I'm a I'm a person
Speaker 1: who goes through i mean dark times pretty regularly. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: So I think that's one of the reasons we get
Speaker 1: a logged for. Well, but but we did, we did
Speaker 1: find the science here, and then we not only found
Speaker 1: the science, we found beyond the microcosmic neurochemical mechanisms of
Speaker 1: every individual brain we found that society's wherein people regularly
Speaker 1: experience this deprivation of light to an extreme degree. The
Speaker 1: societies have banded together and created group solutions or attempts
Speaker 1: at group solutions for sunlight deprivation. That's why a lot
Speaker 1: of people living in the Arctic Circle, a lot of
Speaker 1: people living in against Scandinavian countries that have the infrastructure
Speaker 1: to support community solutions like this, they have. They've done
Speaker 1: some groundbreaking work with light therapy, and we we found
Speaker 1: some pretty cool examples of this too. Oh yeah, there's
Speaker 1: an Atlantic article called will Norway Ever Beat the Winter
Speaker 1: Blues that you shared Ben and in here it talks
Speaker 1: about a southern town in Norway called Rijukon or r
Speaker 1: j u k a n And it's kind of in
Speaker 1: a bit of a valley between two large mountains, and
Speaker 1: during certain times of the seasons there, the sun basically
Speaker 1: hits the peaks of the mountains are are high up
Speaker 1: on the mountains, but doesn't actually ever get down into
Speaker 1: the valley, so it doesn't actually ever touch the town
Speaker 1: for long periods of time. And they figured out a
Speaker 1: way to get um these large I think seventeen meter
Speaker 1: wide mirrors that reflect the sunlight from the higher peaks
Speaker 1: of that mountain down into the town square. And it's
Speaker 1: a it's a fascinating idea. It's genius and very simple
Speaker 1: in a way, but just the concept of bringing a
Speaker 1: little bit of light into the town square so that
Speaker 1: people during midday, like I think it was noon to
Speaker 1: two or something like that, people can go out and
Speaker 1: experience sunlight in a time when they haven't felt it
Speaker 1: on their skin in days, if not weeks. And another
Speaker 1: thing interesting that's happening in that town um in the
Speaker 1: surrounding areas as well. There's a company called brain Lit.
Speaker 1: It's a Swedish company and what they hear what they
Speaker 1: do is they outfit a whole building, sometimes a classroom,
Speaker 1: sometimes a home with smart lighting that mimics day and
Speaker 1: night cycles essentially. So the idea here is to get
Speaker 1: a human being circadian rhythms back on track just by
Speaker 1: having their eyes experienced the light and the feeling on
Speaker 1: their skin all those things haven't occurred indoors rather than
Speaker 1: outside being affected by the sun. And then again we
Speaker 1: returned to the nature of the light, right, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a specific type of light, correct, Yeah, it's HC
Speaker 1: L and l E ed the two solutions they have
Speaker 1: and they call it biocentric lighting. It's really interesting stuff
Speaker 1: if you want to learn more. We are not promoting
Speaker 1: this this company or this brand, but it's called brain
Speaker 1: lit b R A I N L I T dot
Speaker 1: S E slash e N. That's where we were looking about,
Speaker 1: looking at it, and we know that the research in
Speaker 1: this field is continuing. Light at least affects us more
Speaker 1: than we might like to believe. This is not Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm going on record. Man, you know I respect you.
Speaker 1: This is not me agreeing with the light hyper This
Speaker 1: is relucy. This is not This is not me agreeing
Speaker 1: with that because I just I couldn't find any science
Speaker 1: to bear it out. But that doesn't mean it's not true.
Speaker 1: It just means maybe the science hasn't caught up with
Speaker 1: the human belief yet. Um I told you just my belief.
Speaker 1: I don't got no science, but it might be out
Speaker 1: there and it's worth searching for In some people with
Speaker 1: bipolar disorder. We also know that spring and summer can
Speaker 1: bring on symptoms of mania or a less intense form
Speaker 1: of mania hypomania, and fall and winter can be a
Speaker 1: time of deep depression. Here's another. Here's the ultimate answer.
Speaker 1: Though not just counting light, which is only one part
Speaker 1: of our environment. Let's think of the weather all the
Speaker 1: other things. The weather is wind, barometric pressure, niddity things
Speaker 1: like that. Pressure is a big one. Pressure is a
Speaker 1: huge one. And it turns out that everyday weather can
Speaker 1: change your mood. If you are already unhappy, if you're
Speaker 1: already having a bad time, don't worry. Weather can make it.
Speaker 1: If you're in a good mood. Uh, you are more,
Speaker 1: you are less susceptible to changes in environment or changes
Speaker 1: in you know, weather affecting you are a mental state.
Speaker 1: I'll go with this. I've got stuff to add. I'll
Speaker 1: bring it back later. Let's let's go through this. Okay,
Speaker 1: So first things first, two thousand eight study associated with
Speaker 1: the a P a American Psychological Association, published in the
Speaker 1: journal Emotion indicates the weather can indeed mess with you
Speaker 1: if you're already feeling down in the dumps, morose, sad, etcetera.
Speaker 1: Researchers evaluated the personalities and moods of more than twelve
Speaker 1: hundred adults through these daily questionnaires. So they're self reporting. Alright,
Speaker 1: a little sticky, but these these questionnaires were cross referenced
Speaker 1: with the local weather during the day when they answered
Speaker 1: these questions, and they found that related like climate factors
Speaker 1: like temperature, sunlight, wind, precipitation, so on, had no impact whatsoever.
Speaker 1: I'm positive mood, but the temperature, wind, and sunlight did
Speaker 1: have a measurable effect on negative mood. And when we
Speaker 1: say negative, we're using it in the colloquial way, not
Speaker 1: the scientific way. Negative in science means absence of here,
Speaker 1: it means bad. So so yeah, right, So, increased temperatures
Speaker 1: had a positive effect on bad moods, while increased wind
Speaker 1: and decreased sunlight had a worsening effect on a bad mood.
Speaker 1: Although these effects did vary from one individual to another
Speaker 1: in terms of um the degree of change, like how
Speaker 1: extremely or profoundly they were affected, it did bear out
Speaker 1: across again more than a thousand people, that there was
Speaker 1: some sort of correlation. And additionally, this is just the
Speaker 1: lead we're gonna drop. We're not gonna follow up. Additionally,
Speaker 1: there are a surprising number of studies uh into the
Speaker 1: correlation between high temperatures and crime, and from what we
Speaker 1: can it is real when the heat spikes more crimes
Speaker 1: occur hot time somewhere in the city. My friend, back
Speaker 1: your neck, right, but no, but it's true. And from
Speaker 1: what I was reading just this morning, you know, the
Speaker 1: science isn't necessarily in on that, but it does make
Speaker 1: sense on a very base level. If it is warm
Speaker 1: outside and it is warm inside, a lot of people
Speaker 1: will probably be going outside. There will be more people
Speaker 1: on the street. There will be more people, you know,
Speaker 1: mulling around. There will be more people with bikes, more
Speaker 1: people making a trip with their um, their briefcases for
Speaker 1: whatever they're carrying with them that may have something in there.
Speaker 1: Perhaps more opportunity for crime, more opportunity like more victims,
Speaker 1: like potential victims in an area, and also more people
Speaker 1: who were not hold up in their house because it's
Speaker 1: cold and rainy, who be the you know, potential mugger
Speaker 1: or burglar or whatever. Um, it does feel like there's
Speaker 1: a real correlation there, Like if you just imagine yourself
Speaker 1: if it's cold and rainy making the decision to go
Speaker 1: out and do something nefarious versus if it's hot and
Speaker 1: you've got nothing else to do and very dry. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel it feels it feels real. So
Speaker 1: there we have it. We know that the weather is
Speaker 1: not conspiring against us, because the weather itself, as far
Speaker 1: as we know, is not sentient, right, And if we
Speaker 1: go down that route, we end up at the Guia hypothesis,
Speaker 1: which is a fascinating thought experiment uh superorganisms at all.
Speaker 1: While there is no currently well there's no scientific proof
Speaker 1: that a full moon affects the human brain, and the
Speaker 1: way that folklore tells us it does, the strength of
Speaker 1: confirmation bias and self filling prophecy might render that exact
Speaker 1: same science moot because some people maybe having stability issues
Speaker 1: during the full moon just because they believe that's what happens.
Speaker 1: We all grow up in a world where full moons
Speaker 1: are portrayed as harbingers of doom or eeriness in works
Speaker 1: of fiction right dating back centuries, so of course we
Speaker 1: believe it. We've been brought up to believe that some
Speaker 1: medical law enforcement professionals may be suffering from their own
Speaker 1: illusory pattern recognition, But it also seems like they are
Speaker 1: a little bit more likely than the average Jane or
Speaker 1: Joe whatever to believe in this correlation because they feel
Speaker 1: they've personally experienced it. And while the moon may not
Speaker 1: affect your mind. The sun most certainly does in ways
Speaker 1: that you might not even notice, as can barometric pressure,
Speaker 1: bringing about some pain. It affects my dog. If my
Speaker 1: dog feels barometric pressure changing, especially if it's lessening, she
Speaker 1: gets all freaked out because she knows the storm's coming.
Speaker 1: It's crazy and it's and it's like half an hour
Speaker 1: to twenty minutes before a storm starts. It's weird. Um.
Speaker 1: And that's why you know, we didn't even really talk
Speaker 1: about rain much at all. No, no, we haven't even
Speaker 1: talked about rain. Luckily we did. I think we have
Speaker 1: an earlier video on dogs and other animals being able
Speaker 1: to predict the weather, right do we do? That? Make
Speaker 1: me think that is one of the other video shows.
Speaker 1: I'm remembering a different timeline. Maybe it's it's I think
Speaker 1: it's one of the other views. Oh man, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: if it's one of the other video shows, I guess
Speaker 1: you could still check it out. Yeah, it was probably
Speaker 1: brain stuff or what was the other one called? Oh no,
Speaker 1: what the stuff? The stuff? Gosh Bury it That was
Speaker 1: Paul's favorite thing that we ever made with salt Bury,
Speaker 1: that Let No Stand, Let No Stone Stand. On another video,
Speaker 1: Stone there. But anyhow, what do you think, folks? Is
Speaker 1: there more to the moon? Myth then meets the eye?
Speaker 1: As as Matt and I and Noel and Paul have
Speaker 1: always have always said and always prided ourselves on, we're
Speaker 1: we're not afraid to have differing opinions. And it feels
Speaker 1: like I'm a little more on the skeptical side of this,
Speaker 1: And it feels like Matt, nuts, but where's in your mouth?
Speaker 1: It feels like you are a little more on board
Speaker 1: with maybe the science isn't there yet, and the science
Speaker 1: might find something proving this, this hypothesis about light. It's
Speaker 1: one of those things. It feels like the science should
Speaker 1: have been here a long time ago, and it just
Speaker 1: feels correct to me. But I acknowledge that it's probably
Speaker 1: not scientifically valid. I don't know, though, because we we
Speaker 1: know that light does affect sleep patterns, like it seems
Speaker 1: seems pretty solid. Feelings and feeling and knowing two very
Speaker 1: different things. What what's the weather like in your neck
Speaker 1: of the woods? Fellow conspiracy realists, tell us and tell
Speaker 1: us your craziest full moon war stories. Bonus points if
Speaker 1: they somehow involve shape shifters, Yeah, yes, or UFOSI or
Speaker 1: UFOs or shape ship. If you've seen someone transform into
Speaker 1: a UFO, you win. Oh my god, I don't know
Speaker 1: what you win, but we'll we'll figure out something. If
Speaker 1: you have video proof, go ahead and you can replace
Speaker 1: me as host on this show. Put that out there.
Speaker 1: If you've got video proof of weather affecting something with
Speaker 1: a UFO shape shifter, yeah, you're in. I accept. You
Speaker 1: can appear on an episode. Don't please don't pod people.
Speaker 1: My good friend Matt Frederick here where Okay, let's say
Speaker 1: somebody does have that kind of stuff, Matt, how can
Speaker 1: they get it to us? Oh? Well, you can find
Speaker 1: us on Twitter, where we're conspiracy stuff, or on Facebook
Speaker 1: where we're also conspiracy stuff. Or you can join our
Speaker 1: Facebook group here's where it gets crazy, where you can
Speaker 1: meet all sorts of other us. Of course, when I
Speaker 1: say you, I mean you, but then also you, so
Speaker 1: there's so many different us out there. What I'm saying
Speaker 1: is we all get together as we and have discussions
Speaker 1: about the show. I hope that wasn't weird enough for you.
Speaker 1: Altered versions of yourself and so on. Yes, if you
Speaker 1: do not care for the social meats, you can always
Speaker 1: call us we have a phone number. That is a
Speaker 1: true story. Um, maybe wait till the moon is full
Speaker 1: and dial in. Yes, we are one eight three three
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Speaker 1: We might do something with it. We might just listen
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Speaker 1: find Ben. It's pretty easy. Actually, if you type in
Speaker 1: Ben Bowl and I've tried it a couple of times,
Speaker 1: you can find them. You can also find that if
Speaker 1: you are intrepid. Yes, but the difficulty level is higher.
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Speaker 1: my user name. If none of that quite bags your
Speaker 1: badgers hangs your moon or helio stats are sparse, Sunlight
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