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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello,
Speaker 1: welcome back. We'll welcome for the first time to stuff
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. I'm Bend and I'm Matt,
Speaker 1: and today we're going to start the podcast with a
Speaker 1: a little bit of a of a dark thing, a
Speaker 1: little bit of a weird thing. All right, I like it,
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Okay. So this is a question that
Speaker 1: I want to throw out to you and then we'll
Speaker 1: answer it at the end of the episode. Sound cool,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm excited. Okay. How many serial killers do
Speaker 1: you think are active right now? By which I mean uncaught,
Speaker 1: Maybe they're in the hibernation phase after they've done them
Speaker 1: of murder of some sort um. How many do you
Speaker 1: think there are? I would estimate worldwide? Um, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's keep it in the US. Just in the US
Speaker 1: twenty okay, and that's you know, that number sounds scary
Speaker 1: at first, but there three hundred something million people here
Speaker 1: and of those twenty there are twenty. Then a lot
Speaker 1: of them won't be active for a while, right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be like the B T K killer Dennis Radar,
Speaker 1: who UM was out of it was not murdering people
Speaker 1: for what a decade more um, and then finally got
Speaker 1: caught when he came back, which is a story for
Speaker 1: different day. So as we begin met, I have to ask, um,
Speaker 1: what is a serial killer? Most basic level, UM, it's
Speaker 1: someone who kills for a reason. It was for they feel, Um,
Speaker 1: they feel that they need to kill for some reason
Speaker 1: or another. They're compelled to do so. It's a compulsion. Um.
Speaker 1: There are various number of reasons. Because they get sexual
Speaker 1: pleasure out of doing so, Because they feel that they
Speaker 1: are called to to kill a certain type of person
Speaker 1: for pseudo religious reason maybe Yeah, that happens quite often UM.
Speaker 1: Or because they feel like they're gaining something from it,
Speaker 1: that they're gaining some kind of power by taking the
Speaker 1: life of somebody else. And there there are several other
Speaker 1: reasons there. There's a we have a great article on
Speaker 1: how stuff works. If you want to read that how
Speaker 1: serial killers work. It goes over some of that basic
Speaker 1: level serial killer stuff. Yeah, that's a that's a actually
Speaker 1: that's a great primer for serial killers. No one thing
Speaker 1: that we should also mention is that serial killer is
Speaker 1: sort of an umbrella term in a lot of ways. Uh.
Speaker 1: For instance, the iceman of famous mob Hitman killed quite
Speaker 1: a few people for monetary gain because it was kind
Speaker 1: of his job or his career path. And then on
Speaker 1: the other side, we have people, um who have received
Speaker 1: heavy physiological trauma early in their life and they don't
Speaker 1: process emotions the same way that a person with all
Speaker 1: the cylinders firing does. And this is not to say
Speaker 1: that neurological damage automatically makes somebody a monstrous human being, um,
Speaker 1: but it can impair what we would consider to be
Speaker 1: the essential functioning of of of a human Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and one last caveat the people were speaking about are
Speaker 1: not spree killers and they're also not um like mass
Speaker 1: murderers generally, people who would just go in and kill
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of people at one time and then
Speaker 1: either get caught, kill themselves, or be done with it.
Speaker 1: These are people who kill generally and then they will
Speaker 1: it's it's horrible to say, but not kill for a period,
Speaker 1: then kill again, and maybe they will also and they'll
Speaker 1: also typically uh cover up their crime if possible. Just
Speaker 1: spree killer wouldn't do exactly. So here is where we
Speaker 1: get to a disturbing and fascinating idea that a long
Speaker 1: time ago. Now, you and I did an episode asking
Speaker 1: if serial killers are controlled by a cult. This is
Speaker 1: one of the darker conspiracy theories we've run into, and
Speaker 1: it's one that fascinates us both. I think, oh yeah, well,
Speaker 1: because you have the people the serial killers talking about
Speaker 1: certain groups like the four Pie movement was mentioned, the
Speaker 1: Hand of Death. Again, the this is from their mouths.
Speaker 1: These uh, these organizations were mentioned, right, yeah, And let's
Speaker 1: do a little bit of background tiers. So let's start
Speaker 1: with a Hand of Death. So Henry Lee Lucas oddest tool. Um,
Speaker 1: they were something that rarely happens in the acknowledged world
Speaker 1: of serial killers. They were a team, they worked in
Speaker 1: pairs and um, they were lovers for a time. They
Speaker 1: also claimed to have killed. Eventually, they claimed to have
Speaker 1: killed hundreds of people, especially Henry Lee Lucas, and they
Speaker 1: said they did this at the orders of an organization
Speaker 1: called the Hand of Death. That they were trained to
Speaker 1: murder people, um, as part of a satanic ritual or
Speaker 1: some sort of dark magic thing. And they claimed furthermore
Speaker 1: that the Hand of death was not just based in
Speaker 1: this training camp area. They claimed that it was a national,
Speaker 1: perhaps even world wide organization that spanned the height and
Speaker 1: depth of human society, all the way down to low
Speaker 1: lifes like them, and all the way up to the
Speaker 1: financial socio political elites of the US and the world. Um,
Speaker 1: it's so crazy, man. Even David Burke Awitz uh he
Speaker 1: he said that he had assistance that were from the
Speaker 1: Four Pie cult um. He claimed to have insider knowledge
Speaker 1: of a murder that still is unsolved. Um, it's the
Speaker 1: artist Perry Stanford Memorial Church murder of nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 1: You can type that into a search bar and you
Speaker 1: will find information about it. Yeah, and people arguing both
Speaker 1: for and against Burke awits his knowledge of this. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And um, now the Four Pie churches is pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: We talked about those in the video. Can you give
Speaker 1: us like a high level? I can. I might go
Speaker 1: down a bit of a rabbit hole here. Just tell
Speaker 1: me when ready for me to stop. Okay, okay. So
Speaker 1: the Four Pie movement was allegedly linked to this thing
Speaker 1: called the Process Church of the Final Judgment Um, which
Speaker 1: was kind of a It was a cultish movement UM
Speaker 1: back in the nineteen sixties, and man, I it's it's
Speaker 1: pretty crazy, Okay, So it was it started off as
Speaker 1: an offshoot from the Church of Scientology, the Process church
Speaker 1: was and they they it's kind of weird. Man. I
Speaker 1: don't want to get too deep into what they believe
Speaker 1: or anything, but it kind of it has a link
Speaker 1: that I think you'll be interested in. So they believe
Speaker 1: that their personality traits in each one of us, uh,
Speaker 1: and they marked they called called them there four of
Speaker 1: them Jehovah, Lucifer, Satan, and Christ and and they essentially
Speaker 1: worship all four and they believe that you kind of
Speaker 1: have to worship each one to really attain enlightenment. What's
Speaker 1: a difference than if I could ask between Satan and Lucifer.
Speaker 1: Lucifer is more of the uh hedonistic kind of a
Speaker 1: person um, self aggrandizing, look for knowledge, that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: some more Promethean kind of a light bringer, yea lucifer Um.
Speaker 1: And then Satan is just more uh aggressive kind of
Speaker 1: a kind of yeah. But then there's some of that
Speaker 1: in Jehovah as well. It's really interesting. It's passing and
Speaker 1: I recommend anyone who wants to learn more about this. Uh,
Speaker 1: there are a couple of things you can do. The
Speaker 1: first thing would be to read The Process Um by
Speaker 1: Gary Lakshman L. A. C. H M A n Um,
Speaker 1: which is just a quick article from the fort In Times,
Speaker 1: but it's really fascinating read um. And there's also there
Speaker 1: are a couple of books that you can read. But
Speaker 1: here's here's the thing. What's the link. The link to
Speaker 1: me is the four pie also known as four P.
Speaker 1: It's been mentioned as the four P movement UM. So
Speaker 1: if you look at the symbol that was used for
Speaker 1: this group, the Process Church, it looks somewhat like a swastika,
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit like a swastika, but it's
Speaker 1: really four ps that are linked at the circular part
Speaker 1: of the P, but it's in a square, but it's
Speaker 1: four ps right in the Process Church. And I found
Speaker 1: that really interesting, just as one of the you know,
Speaker 1: the conspiracy theory kind of connection that really doesn't mean anything,
Speaker 1: but it still makes you go just enough to be disturbing.
Speaker 1: And we'll come back to those folks. We also have
Speaker 1: side note for this met there's a very interesting story
Speaker 1: here in the cult angle of the Man's murders. Now,
Speaker 1: Manson already was leading a cult, and the question is
Speaker 1: was this cult involved with some other larger network. This
Speaker 1: is just a story that I wanted to get out
Speaker 1: there because not a lot of people know it. During
Speaker 1: the period leading up to Helter Skelter, when Manson and
Speaker 1: his group were on a darker precipitous decline from there
Speaker 1: otherwise utopian philosophy or or whatever thing mayd going on,
Speaker 1: they went out to the desert right, and uh, their
Speaker 1: ideas got crazier and crazier. Of course, the ultimate stated
Speaker 1: aim for the murders that the Manson family ultimately committed
Speaker 1: where that they were trying to trigger a global race
Speaker 1: war um that would be between black people and white people,
Speaker 1: and the whole time, the Manson family would hide out
Speaker 1: in some magic cave where they would have all the
Speaker 1: supplies they needed, and then after the black part of
Speaker 1: the world's population killed all of the white people, Manson,
Speaker 1: who was cartoonishly racist right, thought that his family would
Speaker 1: climb out of this magic cave and take over, because,
Speaker 1: of course, he assumed black people are incapable of making
Speaker 1: of of making authoritative decisions, which just gives me just
Speaker 1: gives you like a peek into how ugly this guy's
Speaker 1: mind is. Right, Yeah, and just insane. It's so insane.
Speaker 1: It is so insane. I don't know how you can
Speaker 1: believe it. I guess it helps if you are yourself
Speaker 1: a very racist person. But he um. But the reason
Speaker 1: I bring up all this crazy stuff is at the
Speaker 1: same time that this was happening, there was a miner
Speaker 1: named Paul Crockett who lived nearby. And Paul Crockett is
Speaker 1: a very mysterious character in the Helter Skelter story. He was, remember,
Speaker 1: this older retired miner, but he had knowledge somehow of
Speaker 1: scientology and other similar practices. Now, when I say cultish,
Speaker 1: you guys know what I'm talking about. I know that
Speaker 1: evil might say that we're saying something bad about scientology. No,
Speaker 1: we're saying he had knowledge of this, and he had
Speaker 1: knowledge of other things that helped him um rescue some
Speaker 1: of the people in Charles Manson's family, and they had
Speaker 1: these amazing psychological battles with each other where Manson was
Speaker 1: trying to get in his head and Paul Crockett was.
Speaker 1: It was very it was very Yoda uh Emperor Palpatine
Speaker 1: kind of kind of the forces of light and evil
Speaker 1: there and when when we talk about this, when we
Speaker 1: talked about the manipulation UH that Manson had, There's been
Speaker 1: a lot of conspiratorial thoughts UM or conspiratorial arguments that
Speaker 1: Manson was somehow getting orders from somewhere else, not just
Speaker 1: influenced by the dianetics and stuff he studied in prison,
Speaker 1: not just influenced by his contact with counterculture cults in California,
Speaker 1: which was a strangely difficult sentenced to say, but that
Speaker 1: he was also UM working at the behest of this.
Speaker 1: Now here we have these ideas, and each of these three,
Speaker 1: these three examples have some sort a different level of credence.
Speaker 1: So for me, UM, the most plausible one is David
Speaker 1: Berkowitz UM, because another guy named Stanley Baker Uh was
Speaker 1: caught Committee murders. He said he was recruited by four
Speaker 1: pie in University of Wisconsin, and David Berkowitz, you know,
Speaker 1: originally he copped to all the murders. He didn't change
Speaker 1: his story until the nineties, but he was already in
Speaker 1: jail forever. No way he was getting out. Um, didn't
Speaker 1: someone also attempt to murder him? Yes, and he changed
Speaker 1: his story because of that, Yes, someone also attempted to
Speaker 1: murder him imprison Uh. Some of the investigators in the
Speaker 1: Berkowitz Kuh think that there's credence to the idea that
Speaker 1: his people who lived nearby, the car brothers C. A. R. R.
Speaker 1: Had a role in this um and they both died
Speaker 1: in during parts of the investigation. UM. So I would
Speaker 1: say that as the most credence, and then the Manson stuff,
Speaker 1: it's it's difficult to tell because it's a question of
Speaker 1: how much weight are we putting on people hanging out
Speaker 1: together in California, you know what I mean? Just because
Speaker 1: you and I go to a party with it happened
Speaker 1: to be in the same room with someone doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that we're planning an international Satanic panic. Yeah. And just
Speaker 1: because a couple of members of the Processed Church went
Speaker 1: and visited Manson one time doesn't necessarily mean anything, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just like just because the process Church was an offshoot
Speaker 1: of people made by people who met via scientology doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that it's in any way condone by or related
Speaker 1: to the actual church. So no, no, not at all,
Speaker 1: And gosh, I hope nobody got that from what I
Speaker 1: was saying. No, I don't think. Okay, I don't think.
Speaker 1: Just just to clarify the process, Church used the idea
Speaker 1: of uh using the E meter, and they just kind
Speaker 1: of changed that around a little bit into their own
Speaker 1: thing and used it to to measure emotion rather than uh,
Speaker 1: whatever it is that he made emeter, which is uh. Well,
Speaker 1: I I just have to say that this is also
Speaker 1: in the Church of Scientology. It's a hugely bad heretical
Speaker 1: thing to do, to to mess with in any way
Speaker 1: these ideas or to have your own ideas inserted in there. Um.
Speaker 1: I think one of the terms for it is squirreling,
Speaker 1: and that makes you an sp or suppressive person, which
Speaker 1: is very bad. And now you don't want to be that. No,
Speaker 1: it's anathema or shutting kind of. So anyway, we're we're
Speaker 1: talking about all these different organizations, the and these different stories.
Speaker 1: The least plausible story is uh the hand of death
Speaker 1: story with Henry Lee lucas an oddest tool. Now I
Speaker 1: think it's the least plausible because they're not because there's
Speaker 1: not a conspiracy. I think this actually does have a
Speaker 1: genuine conspiracy. But you know what I'm talking about. You
Speaker 1: know why I don't think that Henry Lee Lucas really
Speaker 1: killed over three people. Well, yeah, one of the biggest
Speaker 1: things you look at with serial killers is their level
Speaker 1: of intelligence in order to get away with a huge
Speaker 1: number of murders like that. And let's face it, if
Speaker 1: you look at Henry Lucas an honest tool, Um, they're
Speaker 1: not the sharpest knives in the kitchen. Yeah, they're not
Speaker 1: the brightest bulbs in the pack. Ye right, yeah, the
Speaker 1: um for a number of reasons, especially in the case
Speaker 1: of Lucas, who suffered some fairly horrific injuries in his childhood. Um,
Speaker 1: these are not men's A level criminals. They're not as
Speaker 1: intelligent as say Ted Bundy, for instance, so their claims
Speaker 1: um don't really have the best credibility at all. Let's
Speaker 1: even just not considering the fact the fact that serial
Speaker 1: killers are prone to wild exaggeration because they are crazy. Um,
Speaker 1: there's or you know, if you're a serial killer, you're
Speaker 1: listening to this right now, you have a dysfunction. You
Speaker 1: don't have superpowers, you really don't. But these, uh, some
Speaker 1: of these problems can be exploited by the real conspiracy,
Speaker 1: which I submit to you, was that law enforcement saw
Speaker 1: in Henry Lee Lucas and artist tool a way to
Speaker 1: close a bunch of unsolved, unsolved, unresolved cases. And you
Speaker 1: can see this because the crimes that they're agreeing to
Speaker 1: committing at times were physically impossible for them to commit. Now,
Speaker 1: they would say that maybe it was somebody else in
Speaker 1: the cult right in the hand of death if you
Speaker 1: pushed them towards that. But Lucas also said that he
Speaker 1: was confessing to things because he would get better treatment
Speaker 1: in the prison system, which is just way more plausible
Speaker 1: to me. So well, I can see that that that's
Speaker 1: one of the biggest things you have to do as
Speaker 1: a law enforcement agency is to close cases. And you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes if there's a scary thing, you have to you
Speaker 1: have to find a way to make it stop. Even
Speaker 1: if it doesn't actually stop the killings, it's gonna it's
Speaker 1: gonna quell the fears. You're thinking of McNulty and the wire,
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm thinking of. Yeah, uh so, the
Speaker 1: the idea here is is frightening in its own way.
Speaker 1: That there could be people who were waiting to hear
Speaker 1: what happened to their missing parents, the missing child, the
Speaker 1: missing friend, and to be told a lie that there
Speaker 1: was this guy who couldn't possibly done the murder, but
Speaker 1: he says he's done it. And false confessions are distressing,
Speaker 1: but it also really really throws a lot of the
Speaker 1: credibility of this cult story to the wayside. Now we
Speaker 1: do know that there are people who really have been
Speaker 1: parts of cults. Uh. This guy named Jeffrey Lundgren part
Speaker 1: of a heretical offshoot of the Church of Latter day
Speaker 1: Saints or the Mormon Church. Um. He killed people, killed
Speaker 1: a family of five. Guy named Aldolfo constanzo Um was
Speaker 1: a drug dealer and worked with Cartel's and practiced black magic,
Speaker 1: where we would have a cauldron of people's bodies, they
Speaker 1: would eat from it, they would use it the magical rituals.
Speaker 1: It didn't prevent him from being caught at all. It's
Speaker 1: almost as if that didn't work. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go ahead and say that what he was doing made
Speaker 1: him a charlatan, but it certainly didn't keep him alive.
Speaker 1: Fair point, fair point, fair point. But so with with
Speaker 1: those cults. These were um like the Manson cult. They
Speaker 1: were tight knit groups of people who had been psychologically
Speaker 1: exploited right and had their egos slowly erased by a
Speaker 1: charismatic leader of some of some sort, and then had
Speaker 1: that enforced by intimidation and fear. Um, this is a
Speaker 1: regrettably easy thing to do. Now, Ben, we talked about
Speaker 1: a lot of the past series killers that we know about, um,
Speaker 1: about what makes them a serial killer and about what
Speaker 1: um strange circumstances they found themselves in. But here's where
Speaker 1: it gets crazy. There are serial killers out there right now,
Speaker 1: probably with all I mean. I say probably because I
Speaker 1: can't prove it. But they're out there right now, sitting somewhere,
Speaker 1: maybe in a van, maybe in their shock up on
Speaker 1: the mountain, maybe in their mansion, maybe in a church.
Speaker 1: Maybe in a church they're just hanging out plotting. Maybe
Speaker 1: they're not plotting. Maybe today they're just having a sandwich
Speaker 1: and reading the newspaper. Um, you know, maybe they're hugging
Speaker 1: their children right now. But they're there, out there, right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is true. Uh. No one knows to answer our
Speaker 1: original question, No one has any idea how many active
Speaker 1: serial killers could exist. When I was UM, when I
Speaker 1: was looking into some of this stuff earlier, it hit
Speaker 1: me and I always remember this thought stayed with me
Speaker 1: which is um. The serial killers that are caught, right,
Speaker 1: are often caught because there they were in a decline,
Speaker 1: a psychological decline of some sort. Right, So what if
Speaker 1: we're just getting the dregs of the serial killer population.
Speaker 1: What if we're just finding the people who were not
Speaker 1: able to sustain their monstrous appetite or to maintain they're
Speaker 1: terrifying addiction to death, or they just weren't that good
Speaker 1: in the first place at being at playing that creepy role. Right, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: because there are for every um, for every person who
Speaker 1: gets caught, um, because they have done things that clearly
Speaker 1: implicate them in a crime, there are other people who
Speaker 1: are probably getting away with something right now, No, not
Speaker 1: very many, I don't. I don't think that it's a
Speaker 1: common thing. But there I'm sure that a simple search
Speaker 1: will show us cases of you know what, one one
Speaker 1: type of serial killer that gets around a lot is
Speaker 1: the medical practitioner. But every once in a while kills
Speaker 1: a patient. Yeah, not every day, not every year, but hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe when you're in the hospital. But but we don't
Speaker 1: want to be alarmist. This is very small thing. The
Speaker 1: question is is there any sand to this conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: that serial killers could be part of a cult. Well,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the thing that you left us with
Speaker 1: on and on our video that we made about this. Okay,
Speaker 1: this can yourcy theory relies heavily how did you put it?
Speaker 1: Relies heavily on the the information or the statements of
Speaker 1: people who are insane. Oh. Yeah, that that's the little
Speaker 1: caveat there. Yeah. That the main weakness of this conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory is that relies heavily on the statements of serial
Speaker 1: killers who are again nuts bonkers. Yeah. I mean, you
Speaker 1: watch any interview with Charles Manson, any of them. I
Speaker 1: don't care which one. Just watch it, check it out.
Speaker 1: And people might say that he's a different case because
Speaker 1: it's not because he didn't physically commit you know, the
Speaker 1: Tate la Banca murders. But it's clear. But it's not
Speaker 1: a healthy thing to want to do, to kill multiple
Speaker 1: people for no reason. That is a nice way to
Speaker 1: put it. And and um, I guess I guess one
Speaker 1: thing that we do need to talk about is that
Speaker 1: a lot of these these cult theories originated during a
Speaker 1: moral panic in the United States was called the Satanic Panic.
Speaker 1: And the Satanic Panic was this idea that there were
Speaker 1: numerous cases of child abductions, rapes, and murders um at
Speaker 1: the behest of a secret Satanic network that ran the
Speaker 1: the world as we know, it went all the way
Speaker 1: up the government's all over the world. And that gave
Speaker 1: us one fascinating fact about the only pardon it was
Speaker 1: ever received when George Bush was governor of Texas, which
Speaker 1: we just have to mention, people will get mad if
Speaker 1: we don't he he pardoned, Well, it was it was
Speaker 1: George W. Bush as then governor. And then wasn't it
Speaker 1: also Jeb Bush who also made Florida in Florida, who
Speaker 1: made a bit of a strange pardon and who was
Speaker 1: that for been oddest tool was pardoned in Florida, and um,
Speaker 1: George be A. Bush pardoned Henry Lee Lucas in Texas.
Speaker 1: This was the I believe, the only pardon on the
Speaker 1: execution board. Or didn't they just they stayed their execution
Speaker 1: or what it? What was it exactly then? But I
Speaker 1: mean both men died in prison. Yeah, yeah, but they
Speaker 1: weren't executed because because of the Bushes Um. Now, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't know the story behind that, but that's one
Speaker 1: of the facts that people will always point out to
Speaker 1: us when we say, well, no, they probably weren't part
Speaker 1: of a cult. They're probably making it up. To be honest, Matt,
Speaker 1: you and I do not know the story about those
Speaker 1: uh stays of execution. I haven't seen I haven't seen
Speaker 1: any literature on exactly why either of those pardons occurred. Now,
Speaker 1: I do think that there might be I'm gonna rate
Speaker 1: this one as wildly exaggerated, but to a degree possible.
Speaker 1: I think it's completely possible that there are groups of
Speaker 1: people who plan or execute murders for ritualistic or ideological purposes,
Speaker 1: um some of and and we know for a fact
Speaker 1: that there killers who remain uncaught. There's a stretch of
Speaker 1: highway in what is it Canada where uh an abnormal
Speaker 1: amount of people turn up missing. Uh, there is, I
Speaker 1: think it's in Canada. There's also what's called the train
Speaker 1: murders spelled t R A n e U. Used to
Speaker 1: be called the Smiley Face Killer. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's real or if it's an urban legend. Maybe people
Speaker 1: can tell us more about it. But long story short,
Speaker 1: too late, ha ha uh. Is there an international community
Speaker 1: of devil worshippers? Killing people. Most likely, there's no way
Speaker 1: it could happen and remain a secret. Is there are
Speaker 1: there groups of small, small groups of lunatics rather who
Speaker 1: are killing people. Absolutely, there's no way around it. There's
Speaker 1: certainly small groups of lunatics consistently killing people, and it
Speaker 1: is not unreasonable to say that some of those groups
Speaker 1: have yet to be caught. Sure, it makes me think
Speaker 1: of pulp fiction and the guys are on the pawn shop.
Speaker 1: You just every once in a while catch somebody in
Speaker 1: their trap and execute them. And that, Oh man, that
Speaker 1: really creeps me out and I enjoy that. It makes
Speaker 1: my imagination run wild. But then I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: be giving people nightmares by talking about this. Well also, yeah,
Speaker 1: well we are talking about our statistical anomalies. It's there's
Speaker 1: statistical anomalies, but there are it's also just kind of
Speaker 1: a reality. We a lot of times on our show
Speaker 1: we talked about the human nature, in the nature of
Speaker 1: humanity and what the darker side of it, what it
Speaker 1: leads to, and that's exactly what this is. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: We would we would like to hear what you think.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening to our episode on the
Speaker 1: serial killer cults, conspiracy Matt, what what do you want
Speaker 1: to have people tell us about. I'd like to hear
Speaker 1: um some conspiracy theories about serial killers, especially active serial killers.
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