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Speaker 1: to the show. This is stuff they don't want you
Speaker 1: to know. My name is Matt Frederick and my name
Speaker 1: is Ben Bolling, and today we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: something that's a little out there. It's kind of fun.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed a lot fun. Yeah, this is fun, man,
Speaker 1: I enjoyed this topic. You don't you know? Yeah, wait, no,
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. I'm good with it. I just
Speaker 1: I guess I can see how some of it is
Speaker 1: is fun because because it's real history, his real history
Speaker 1: combined with some of the little crazier stuff. It's exactly
Speaker 1: the it's the perfect spot where here there are the facts,
Speaker 1: and here's where it gets crazy meat, at least for me. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. So let's let the let
Speaker 1: the badger out of the bag here, let the cat
Speaker 1: out of the got in the bag. Now, let's let
Speaker 1: the World War two badger get out of the bag
Speaker 1: here and talk about Nazis, the Nazi Party, Uh well,
Speaker 1: not specifically, just the Nazis, right something else because you guys,
Speaker 1: Matt Night run into Nazi topics fairly often. They're a
Speaker 1: bit pervasive in the conspiracy world, right, And one of
Speaker 1: the reasons they're so pervasive is that there is often
Speaker 1: a grain of truth to the claims. Now, a lot
Speaker 1: of the claims may get exaggerated, but it is true
Speaker 1: that the Nazis tried a lot of weird stuff. Man,
Speaker 1: they got weird with it. And I think that some
Speaker 1: of the insanity of the regime there, which did have
Speaker 1: catastrophic and tragic consequences um that have scarred the world
Speaker 1: the present day, even uh, it came from a kind
Speaker 1: of underlying really bis our place and uh and this
Speaker 1: all leads us to today's episode, which is not just Nazis,
Speaker 1: but one of our mutual favorite topics, Nazi UFOs. You know,
Speaker 1: I just realized been. I think that's the longest it's
Speaker 1: ever taken for us to get to the actual topic, right,
Speaker 1: which you know it's in the title. When someone wanted
Speaker 1: to click and listen to this, we could have just
Speaker 1: jumped in. It's fun, though I enjulated doing it this way.
Speaker 1: So in uh, in World War two, some interesting things happen, uh,
Speaker 1: fighter pilots and uh, I guess even some civilian pilots
Speaker 1: for the Allies start reporting something they call foo fighters.
Speaker 1: Food fighters are these points of light that follow along
Speaker 1: with the aircraft or seem to do um do physics
Speaker 1: defying aerial maneuvers. Uh. The pilots don't know what they are,
Speaker 1: they don't know where they're coming for. Um Well, and
Speaker 1: one of the reasons a lot of these pilots thought
Speaker 1: it was something otherworldly or something from the Nazis, some
Speaker 1: high tech things, because there are all these rumors occurring
Speaker 1: at the time about insane Nazi technology in these in
Speaker 1: these different areas and propulsion and um planes, short and
Speaker 1: even submarines and all this kind of stuff. So I
Speaker 1: think the pilots were more I don't know, it was
Speaker 1: almost like they were looking for something, so they were
Speaker 1: more prone to believe it. Maybe that had a confirmation
Speaker 1: bias exactly. Yeah. And the thing is that this leads
Speaker 1: us to the these two facts together they lead us
Speaker 1: to today's question, did the Nazis really have secret technology?
Speaker 1: Did they have something that would be like a UFO.
Speaker 1: Before we continue, though, there's one thing that we do
Speaker 1: have to point out, and that is that all a
Speaker 1: UFO is is an unidentified flying object act. It could
Speaker 1: be a bird, it could be Superman, it could it
Speaker 1: could be something that came off of a propeller. It
Speaker 1: could just be you know, a very confused fish. Yes,
Speaker 1: and the but the cool thing about the the food
Speaker 1: fighters is that those are trained pilots who would normally
Speaker 1: know pretty much anything that's flying near them what it is,
Speaker 1: and they could probably tell you exactly, oh this is
Speaker 1: a blank right yeah, and they're telling you, I have
Speaker 1: no idea what this thing was, and it was doing
Speaker 1: things physical that physically defy other planes. That's a very
Speaker 1: good point because these are not just green pilots. These
Speaker 1: are experienced combat veterans in many cases. But with that
Speaker 1: being said that a UFO we often almost always here
Speaker 1: it associated with aliens or extra terrestrials. It might just
Speaker 1: be a misidentified aircraft. Um. But when we go to
Speaker 1: a Nazi technolo, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna give this
Speaker 1: one to you, here's where it gets crazy. They absolutely
Speaker 1: we're trying secretive technology, new innovative things. You can look
Speaker 1: at a lot of inventions or how would the projects
Speaker 1: the R and D You can look a lot of
Speaker 1: the aren't You can look at a lot of the
Speaker 1: R and D projects, like the Horton h O to
Speaker 1: two nine, That is my favorite. The Horton brothers, they
Speaker 1: were really innovative in Uh. Was that jet propulsion? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were. They were experts in aerodynamic design, jet propulsion.
Speaker 1: They were They're essentially aerospace engineers and rocket treatment in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Uh, The Nazis had real life
Speaker 1: rocket scientists who were doing work that was far, far
Speaker 1: beyond stuff that Russia, the British, the French, the United States,
Speaker 1: even the Japanese were doing. And this this is interesting
Speaker 1: because the grain of truth is there. Or the Horton
Speaker 1: hoe to to nine was built in a flying wing
Speaker 1: design that was revolutionary for the time. It is very,
Speaker 1: very difficult to overstate how crazy this thing was. Now
Speaker 1: did it work while the Allies won the war? And
Speaker 1: there were there was never a fleet of Horton hose
Speaker 1: that we know of flying around. But that's not the
Speaker 1: only thing. The Nazis also had other attempts to make,
Speaker 1: even like flying disc like um the sack A S six.
Speaker 1: But what this gives us is this gives us a
Speaker 1: couple of things. This gives us the knowledge that, yes,
Speaker 1: there really were unorthodox experiments with flying vehicles. And the
Speaker 1: question is how many of these made it to the
Speaker 1: drawing board, how many of them never made it off
Speaker 1: the drawing board, How many of them actually got tested
Speaker 1: in flight? Uh? There there a few provable cases of it,
Speaker 1: so not very many, but there are provable cases where
Speaker 1: we know that Nazi scientists did exhibit this, and of
Speaker 1: course let alone. Uh that's not even counting their their
Speaker 1: unmanned flight research, their rocketry programs. Now, now here's where
Speaker 1: the skeptical side of me comes in. Okay, I've seen
Speaker 1: the pictures of the Horton h O and the sax
Speaker 1: A s S six and they don't sound anything like
Speaker 1: what these food fighters looked like, or at least the
Speaker 1: reports of the food fighters. You know, that's a great
Speaker 1: that's a great point, and I think that it's a
Speaker 1: very important point to make at this time because they
Speaker 1: descriptions of the food fighters not sound like terrestrial vehicles.
Speaker 1: They sound like some sort of weird sentient light. And um,
Speaker 1: we'll see when when I hear it. Just from being
Speaker 1: in video production and working with cameras and lenses a
Speaker 1: lot It sounds like a weird lens flare to me,
Speaker 1: and I would love to see footage of it, just
Speaker 1: to really analyze it and look at the angles and
Speaker 1: direction where they're light. Yeah, and it's weird because a
Speaker 1: lot of the a lot of the pilots of this time,
Speaker 1: of course, they didn't have recording equipment. Necessarily, they had audio,
Speaker 1: and there might be some records of that audio. But
Speaker 1: who knows. What happened to most of them and food
Speaker 1: fighters could be explained by any number of let's call
Speaker 1: them mundane explanations. I love lens flare. I think that's
Speaker 1: a strong candidate. There's also the idea that could be
Speaker 1: some sort of electrical discharge, right um or maybe people
Speaker 1: were suffering from some sort of disorientation or vertigo um.
Speaker 1: Or maybe we can't attribute this to a single cause,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's looking back in retrospect that gives
Speaker 1: us them, gives us the tendency to group all of
Speaker 1: these things as one type of events, you know, and
Speaker 1: I think I think it's possible. But um. Also, let's
Speaker 1: keep in mind there's another role here which I guess
Speaker 1: they should have mentioned earlier, and that's wartime propaganda. Both sides. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that little guy. Yeah, so both sides um World War two,
Speaker 1: the Allies and the access powers. We're just rowing bs
Speaker 1: at each other left and right. Uh, doing propaganda for
Speaker 1: the citizens when they could get access to radio waves
Speaker 1: and stuff, doing um dropping leaflets and then having spies
Speaker 1: dispersed rumors about you know, uh anything from American and
Speaker 1: Nazi Superman's like real life Captain America's. You know, it's
Speaker 1: so weird to me trying to play and trying to
Speaker 1: negatively affect the morale of the other side that it's
Speaker 1: so interesting to me. It's a strange game of chess
Speaker 1: in a way, and it has some um, it has
Speaker 1: intangible powerful effects. But with that in mind, we have
Speaker 1: to ask ourselves ourselves, is the idea of Nazi secret
Speaker 1: tech analogy? Did the exaggeration come from history later or
Speaker 1: did it come directly from the Nazis? Did they happen
Speaker 1: to play up these claims a little bit more? Um,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. The one thing we do know
Speaker 1: is that where people will say that we're remiss if
Speaker 1: we don't mention this. The Brotherhood of the Bell is
Speaker 1: um a book that came out in English that comes
Speaker 1: from and it was originally the idea was fostered by
Speaker 1: a Polish writer. Then this Polish writer claimed that he
Speaker 1: had spoken with some ex Polish Intelligence agency members and
Speaker 1: that they said they had interviewed some Nazis in the
Speaker 1: wake of World War Two, and that one of these Nazis,
Speaker 1: a high ranking official in the in the regime, had
Speaker 1: had revealed to them that the scientists, the Access scientists,
Speaker 1: had cracked the code on what would essentially be anti gravity,
Speaker 1: negating the normal effect of gravity, and that they have
Speaker 1: built something that looked like a bell, and that this
Speaker 1: bell was able to uh, somehow defy the bounds of
Speaker 1: physics and travel at incredible speeds, make sharp corners, um.
Speaker 1: And another thing, I know, I'm going kind of off
Speaker 1: the deep ends here, Matt. Another thing that's really interesting
Speaker 1: is in some ancient Indian myths there are descriptions of
Speaker 1: flying machines that were understood to work off of some
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, good call and that I can't remember. Is
Speaker 1: this the Punisha where these are at? Okay, Well, somebody
Speaker 1: will tell us if we're wrong, and I will I
Speaker 1: will look back and correct that. But the the story here,
Speaker 1: um becomes a game of connecting very tenuous dots or
Speaker 1: making very tenuous connections between dots. Uh, there's another thing
Speaker 1: called the Kecksburg incident which people can look up for
Speaker 1: more information. And don't know if we touch on that
Speaker 1: in our video. I don't think we did. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: that is something that we will probably return to in
Speaker 1: the future. Then. But with all this, what I'm saying
Speaker 1: here is, with with all of this, a lot of
Speaker 1: the emphasis on Nazi UFOs entered the mainstream after the
Speaker 1: publication of these books. Now, of course the Polish author
Speaker 1: doesn't have um tangible proof that he can offer, and
Speaker 1: of course a lot of the people who make claims
Speaker 1: about the so called Nazi bell and stuff don't have
Speaker 1: the most credibility, let's put it that way, the most. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't have the most credibility in the world. And uh,
Speaker 1: there is a site, Uh, there is a site in Europe, however,
Speaker 1: that is a flooded mine. Yeah. You remember the concrete
Speaker 1: structure the allegedly housed. Yes, and that was again allegedly
Speaker 1: a secret testing ground. Now, because the mind is flooded,
Speaker 1: people haven't been able to secure access to the I
Speaker 1: guess the the entirety of the mind. So people really
Speaker 1: don't know what's down there, and who knows, Man, who
Speaker 1: knows what they would find down there. I'm going to
Speaker 1: say probably a lot of corpses and mining equipment, but
Speaker 1: there could be something else. The only way to know
Speaker 1: is to go down there. Oh, man, what that would
Speaker 1: be so awesome if that was actually there, hidden deep
Speaker 1: inside that mine and some divers went in there, and
Speaker 1: I guess what, we're making a movie. We're making a movie.
Speaker 1: They're gonna make a movie about that? Is it Nicolas
Speaker 1: Nicolas Cage? Nicolas Cage? In the Nazi minds, it would
Speaker 1: be a sequel. It would be a sequel to National Treasure, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the third or fourth one. Yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you can even call it the sequel at that point,
Speaker 1: it's just like fifth in the series. And would a
Speaker 1: Nazi bell, remnants of the Nazi bell really be a
Speaker 1: national treasure? I guess it depends on the nation. So
Speaker 1: the one thing that we can say that is a
Speaker 1: that is a little bit more of the grain of
Speaker 1: truth stuff. So we've mentioned some of the more provocative claims,
Speaker 1: and we've also mentioned I think that while there is
Speaker 1: some proof, it seems that a lot of the A
Speaker 1: lot of the grain of truth aspect of this has
Speaker 1: been exaggerated. So let's talk about one of the strangest things. Um. Oh,
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to the closest that we know approvable
Speaker 1: Nazi UFOs, however indirectly, and that starts with a little
Speaker 1: something called Operation paper Clip. Yewah. This is when scientists,
Speaker 1: German scientists, after the war, after Worlar two, they came
Speaker 1: over to the US and they started working for US
Speaker 1: agencies like NASA UM or was it NASA at the time.
Speaker 1: I guess it wasn't. Well, they started working for UM
Speaker 1: the War Department directly. They also started working with some
Speaker 1: private arms contractors, defense contractors. And the Operation paper Clip
Speaker 1: was top secret because let's remember that after the close
Speaker 1: of the war and the discovery of various acts of
Speaker 1: genocide on the part of Nazi Germany, people were not
Speaker 1: trying to invite anyone affiliated with the regime into any
Speaker 1: sort of safety, you know, And so Operation paper Clip
Speaker 1: was conducted in secret, and the OSS, precursor to the CIA,
Speaker 1: worked too craft identities for these German scientists, um, several
Speaker 1: of whom were yes, working against their will. Uh So
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that all of these people were you know,
Speaker 1: trigger happy murderers or something. Um. But they they were
Speaker 1: affiliated with this regime. They were doing work for the
Speaker 1: Nazi government. Uh. The United States did uh cast that aside,
Speaker 1: give them some form of immunity, UH, take them away
Speaker 1: to the United States and have them continue their rocketry research. Um. Directly,
Speaker 1: I would think of Verna von Braun, who was one
Speaker 1: of the leading researchers in the US and rocketry after
Speaker 1: his time with the Nazis. This uh, this stuff that
Speaker 1: they worked on allowed them to advance U S rocketry,
Speaker 1: of course, way past where it was when they began,
Speaker 1: and way faster than anybody thought they would, which leads
Speaker 1: us to ultimately the descendants of the secret Nazi technology,
Speaker 1: in particular that flying Wington at least that's the one
Speaker 1: that I think of as the best example, which then
Speaker 1: became stealth bomber. Yeah. Yeah, the principles behind that used there.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking even more, if we want to go
Speaker 1: to space with it, if we want to take the
Speaker 1: alien idea of a UFO, then the rocketry work by
Speaker 1: these former Nazi scientists ultimately led to the ability to
Speaker 1: you create the rockets that we would need to take
Speaker 1: human beings into space, which means that NASA created something
Speaker 1: uh a ufo I guess descended from Nazi technology. So
Speaker 1: weirdly enough, space shuttles are one of the best examples
Speaker 1: of secret Nazi technology doing amazing things. It is pretty crazy,
Speaker 1: but it's also, um, it's also kind of work in
Speaker 1: progress because we have to realize that at this point
Speaker 1: a lot of the story is still classified, which which
Speaker 1: just baffles me. But you know, um, information about Pearl
Speaker 1: Harbor is still classified to a degree haven't been released. Yeah. Sorry, no,
Speaker 1: it's fun. It's literally stuff they don't want you to know. Uh.
Speaker 1: So we've explored some of the some of the claims
Speaker 1: about Nazi UFOs, and we have a pretty exciting time
Speaker 1: ahead of us, I think for anybody who's interested in
Speaker 1: this topic, because there is so much more speculation out there,
Speaker 1: but there's also so much more to discover. Who knows,
Speaker 1: who knows what files might be rotting in a filing
Speaker 1: cabinet somewhere in Eastern Europe, you know, who knows what's uh,
Speaker 1: what's sitting there in a bank basement in the Kremlin,
Speaker 1: And we're in a flooded mine right exactly in a
Speaker 1: flooded mind. And with that we will will tie up
Speaker 1: this episode and thank you guys as always for listening.
Speaker 1: We do hope that you enjoyed our exploration of the
Speaker 1: strange story of Nazi UFOs. You know what I'd like
Speaker 1: to ask for, Matt, if we have anybody who feels
Speaker 1: they've had an experience with a food fighter, I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear that description. Now I'm not talking about Dave Girl, okay,
Speaker 1: because I've had one of those. You have have have
Speaker 1: one of those? Uh. The the things that we'd like
Speaker 1: to hear about our your thoughts on see great Nazi technology?
Speaker 1: Has it been suppressed or has it simply been exaggerated? Uh?
Speaker 1: And is there something, of course more specific that you
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