Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is
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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hey, everybody,
Speaker 1: welcome back. This is stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 1: My name is Matt and I'm Ben, and today we're
Speaker 1: talking about lost civilizations. Let me ask you a question
Speaker 1: that oh, all right, all right, good, I'm glad you're
Speaker 1: on board. Have you ever lost something? I've lost many things,
Speaker 1: and uh, it's common throughout a lot of human literature
Speaker 1: and art. Uh, this idea of losing things. Everybody, statistically speaking,
Speaker 1: everybody has at some point lost something. It could be
Speaker 1: something small, like your car keys. It could be something
Speaker 1: metaphorical like yeah, one time I lost my religion. There
Speaker 1: you go. I was listening to way too much r
Speaker 1: EM and you know, it happens. I guess that may
Speaker 1: say that it happens. Yeah, and you're you're in the
Speaker 1: market for a new religion, yeah, yeah, looking around checking
Speaker 1: out eBay. Well. One thing that's also weird about human
Speaker 1: history is that we've lost big things too. We've lost
Speaker 1: entire civilizations, we've lost entire cities, and you and I
Speaker 1: have done several video episodes on the nature of lost
Speaker 1: civilizations right now, that's correct. We have I believe two
Speaker 1: episodes that you can find on our older channel that
Speaker 1: one day will be brought over to our new YouTube
Speaker 1: channel and on test Tube. But we also have a
Speaker 1: fairly new one that we kind of started our new
Speaker 1: channel out with about lost cities. Yeah. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: two part episode. You can find all that on YouTube
Speaker 1: and on test Tube. And we've we've talked about this
Speaker 1: because it's strange when when you go back into research
Speaker 1: on history, one thing that's weird to happen is the
Speaker 1: further back you go, the less stark the line between
Speaker 1: myth and reality becomes us. So that for instance, um,
Speaker 1: if you trace back the origins of Chinese civilization, you
Speaker 1: quickly run into While I say quickly depends on how
Speaker 1: faster flipping the pages, I guess, um, you'll run into
Speaker 1: eventually this area of time wherein the legends are the
Speaker 1: closest thing to universal historical record. And when we us
Speaker 1: being you know, human beings at large, when we research
Speaker 1: lost civilizations, what we find is a huge wealth of
Speaker 1: rumor legend misdirection, fable, but we also often find a
Speaker 1: grain of truth. One thing that really blew the lid
Speaker 1: off of law civilizations and launched it from you know,
Speaker 1: kind of a speculative pseudo science wouldn't it be cool
Speaker 1: if kind of thing and made it a real, viable,
Speaker 1: feasible pursuit was the discovery of ancient Troy. And for uh,
Speaker 1: for a long time, people thought that Troy the city
Speaker 1: was either uh, completely fictional thing or just somewhat loosely
Speaker 1: based on reality, the same way that a lifetime show
Speaker 1: is inspired by true events. But come to find out
Speaker 1: that actually is a real place, and it wasn't just
Speaker 1: a real place. It had uh, it had layers of
Speaker 1: different periods in in the civilization's history. Now we also
Speaker 1: have other things that may or may not have some
Speaker 1: sort of basis in fact, And we can't go any
Speaker 1: further unless we talk about the Big A, the most
Speaker 1: famous of all legend a loss civilizations. Matt Frederick, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let you intro this one. We have in the
Speaker 1: left hand corner, the red corner, Atlantis fighting out of
Speaker 1: the Pacific or the Atlantic or somewhere who knows. We
Speaker 1: don't know where it exists, but it's there, and it's
Speaker 1: called Atlantis. We know that for sure. Yeah, perfect intro,
Speaker 1: and thank you. We know that it's called Atlantis because
Speaker 1: this guy may have heard of named Plato, uh wrote
Speaker 1: about it and said, yeah, there was this city around
Speaker 1: nine thousand years before me that uh was beyond the
Speaker 1: pillars of Heracles, to the west of Gibraltar. And he
Speaker 1: just had some insider information. Yeah, he had some insider
Speaker 1: info back before. Insider info is against the law. Um,
Speaker 1: let me just imagine some finger quotes there on against
Speaker 1: the law. And according to Plato's story, the people of
Speaker 1: Atlantis angered Poseidon, uh see God pretty big deal back
Speaker 1: in the day, and he sank this city. Now, as
Speaker 1: we know, that's already kind of a diplomatic way, would
Speaker 1: you say, it's kind of an implausible story because no
Speaker 1: one has proved the existence of sea God's yet. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: and not yet. We're we're getting better at this, you know. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Catulu fans. I like Pacific rim and Lovecraft too, but
Speaker 1: at this point there's not too much evidence one way
Speaker 1: or the other. Now, as we know, people have claimed
Speaker 1: to find the origin of Atlantis all around the world,
Speaker 1: in the Caribbean, in the Pacific, in the Atlantic. You'll
Speaker 1: hear stories all the time, or you'll read stories. Um,
Speaker 1: you'll find them usually online from let's say, not the
Speaker 1: most reputable source talking about sunken pyramid with some pictures
Speaker 1: that look to me like they've been photoshopped. I can't
Speaker 1: prove it, but I'm pretty sure. Uh, And you'll you'll
Speaker 1: hear about that at least once or twice a year.
Speaker 1: And the reason that we bring up Troy in the
Speaker 1: beginning is because for a long time, as crazy as
Speaker 1: it sounds, the city of Troy was put up there
Speaker 1: right around the same level of plausibility as the city
Speaker 1: of Atlantis, until an archaeologist named Heinrich Schliman Schleiman rediscovered
Speaker 1: it in the nineteenth century and hopefully, uh the journalist
Speaker 1: at the time pronounced his name better than I just did.
Speaker 1: Sorry Germany. Um. The key questions here that we're tackling
Speaker 1: are how likely is it that humanity could lose entire
Speaker 1: cities or civilizations? And spoiler alert, the answer is incredibly likely.
Speaker 1: In fact, it's uh, it's fair to say that there
Speaker 1: could be cities that are extant and known today that
Speaker 1: could later be lost to just the slow grind of history.
Speaker 1: And it is frighteningly plausible that there are undiscovered cities
Speaker 1: right now, or rather lost cities the people who knew
Speaker 1: who built them probably knew where they were. Um So,
Speaker 1: so just when you're as you're talking, I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: about the the line kind of drawn in the sand
Speaker 1: for me, uh, about how civilization could be lost is
Speaker 1: the record keeping techniques of whatever the day. So it
Speaker 1: sounds to me as though I don't think there ever
Speaker 1: will be another lost civilization on Earth because we have
Speaker 1: so many records throughout the world. Internationally, we're becoming so globalized, Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're so interconnected that even for example, if let's
Speaker 1: just pick an isolated place, okay, like the Maldives. The
Speaker 1: Maldives are um an island nation, one of the ones
Speaker 1: at the most immediate threat of I guess sinking into
Speaker 1: the ocean with rising sea levels. So then the argument
Speaker 1: would be, well, now that the cost of communication across
Speaker 1: the world is so cheap, everyone is able to find
Speaker 1: out that the Maldives exists, it will be known that
Speaker 1: it existed, right. It won't be lost, the structures will
Speaker 1: be lost, the population will be dispersed, but it will
Speaker 1: be known that yes, maldis really was there. We can
Speaker 1: google map it. Yeah. See. Here's here's where I think
Speaker 1: it gets interesting too, because I used to be on
Speaker 1: the same page with you and that in that respect,
Speaker 1: when we say the slow grind of history, though, let's
Speaker 1: take it out thousands of years, because the the error,
Speaker 1: or rather the flaw in this global information system is
Speaker 1: that it depends upon uh technology, several different types of
Speaker 1: technology in order for it to be accessed. So let's
Speaker 1: just go dystopian, Matt. Let's say huge nuclear war. The
Speaker 1: world is up a certain creek without a paddle. You know,
Speaker 1: all the vault dwellers are are coming out of their vaults.
Speaker 1: All the vault dwellers are coming out of their vault,
Speaker 1: and over over the thousands, maybe even millions of years
Speaker 1: that they've been locked in, super mutants are roaming in
Speaker 1: the hills. Yeah, they've speciated and they're different to the
Speaker 1: point where they can't even breed together. Um. And then
Speaker 1: they start finding relics and they find, you know, cast
Speaker 1: off bits of things that maybe wouldn't have expired, like
Speaker 1: the ruined stone ruins, perhaps models of cola, right plastic
Speaker 1: and uh. Then they start to piece this together and
Speaker 1: they could rediscover it. What I guess the point we're
Speaker 1: making is that, um, it is much less likely that
Speaker 1: cities will be lost now as in forgotten. You know,
Speaker 1: it's still it's still the same dangerous game when we
Speaker 1: ask will cities survive because there are any number of
Speaker 1: natural or even interstellar disasters against when human beings are
Speaker 1: entirely helpless, entirely helpless, even the most wealthy people in
Speaker 1: the world will just be able to use their wealth
Speaker 1: to g TFO before before it hits the fan. Speaking
Speaker 1: speaking of wealth and being a factor in the survivability
Speaker 1: of civilization, let's talk about something that kind of strings
Speaker 1: together all of these civilizations in humanity as a whole. Uh.
Speaker 1: Water Ah good? And this is this is something that
Speaker 1: we discussed in the first episode of Law Civilizations about
Speaker 1: how large a factor water played in several civilizations, the
Speaker 1: Mayan civilization, the Indusks or Haraping civilization, and even Anchor
Speaker 1: and how water was just kind of the underlying problem
Speaker 1: that they all ended up having to face, and when
Speaker 1: they faced it, they had to g TFO. Um. So well, okay,
Speaker 1: now now look at that today, and let's let's think
Speaker 1: about how aquifers are being purchased, how water is largely
Speaker 1: being privatized, and and we even it's funny. We even
Speaker 1: mentioned back in two thousand eleven we made that first
Speaker 1: episode that it's kind of silly. It's or not silly.
Speaker 1: We didn't say that. We said it was kind of
Speaker 1: fanciful to talk about water wars and the you know,
Speaker 1: in the future, having a war where water is the
Speaker 1: main resource that's being fought over. And now with a
Speaker 1: lot of what we're seeing again with the privatization, it
Speaker 1: seems like it may be a real thing that we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to deal with soon. Yeah, and as soon
Speaker 1: as a tricky word there, because do we mean soon
Speaker 1: in the larger context of history or do we mean
Speaker 1: soon as in within our lifetimes? And in that context, uh,
Speaker 1: within your lifetime, listener, means it may as well be
Speaker 1: happening right now. Uh. The I love that you brought
Speaker 1: up the point about water. So in anglor watt In,
Speaker 1: the Maya and the Haropin civilizations that we talked about
Speaker 1: in that episode, we try to trace the fall of
Speaker 1: these civilizations, and there's a frighteningly plausible argument that what
Speaker 1: caused a lot of these civilizations to collapse or these
Speaker 1: great cities and empires to fall was an ecological disaster.
Speaker 1: In the case of Angkor. Why it was a lack
Speaker 1: of water. Um. That came about because they simply had
Speaker 1: a huge population of people, and of course it was
Speaker 1: an agricultural economy, and they had great infrastructure. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: had aquifers, they had aqueducts. Uh. There wasn't enough for
Speaker 1: the population. Yeah, and there was an anomalous series of droughts,
Speaker 1: so they were running on reserves for a while, and
Speaker 1: then ultimately they couldn't support the people. And the story
Speaker 1: is similar with these other two civilizations. And we find
Speaker 1: that in that episode we find the climate change. Um,
Speaker 1: let me take a second here. When we say climate
Speaker 1: change is well, we don't mean the current argument about
Speaker 1: climate change. We mean that the ecosystem in which these
Speaker 1: cities were built or founded uh failed them or changed
Speaker 1: in a way that in a way that they were
Speaker 1: not able to adapt to in enough time to survive.
Speaker 1: And we know that water can do uh something else
Speaker 1: to ruin a civilization which is completely flooded. Matt, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw this on read it recently,
Speaker 1: but a new Egyptian city has been rediscovered it was
Speaker 1: it's underwater now. Oh man, it's crazy. They're getting great artifacts,
Speaker 1: hieroglyphs that are preserved almost perfectly. It's pretty incredible. And
Speaker 1: we also know that there are numerous underwater features I
Speaker 1: guess is the best word to say, like Bamini Road
Speaker 1: or something that people have positive might be the work
Speaker 1: of human beings as sank an of the ground. Another thing,
Speaker 1: another way we can lose these is through volcanic eruption
Speaker 1: like pay Yeah, you have volcanic eruptions even now can
Speaker 1: form brand new islands. Um, just it's actually happening. You
Speaker 1: can search for this, go to Google and search new
Speaker 1: volcanic island. Yeah. And what's another thing that's kind of
Speaker 1: I guess you know what I will say to me
Speaker 1: this is a positive note. Uh. It is true that
Speaker 1: with the evolving technology that we have, with our increasingly
Speaker 1: sophisticated means of pulling our own forensic science experiments on
Speaker 1: the past, we have found that, um, we got so
Speaker 1: much stuff wrong about history. You know, we're finding footprints,
Speaker 1: human footprints four thousand years before they're supposed to be
Speaker 1: in a place. We're finding human d NA years ago, yeah,
Speaker 1: older than it should be. And and we're even finding,
Speaker 1: you know, things that qualifies completely different types of pure
Speaker 1: hominic groups to human beings, which is is um a
Speaker 1: level beyond the Neanderthal. It's it's you know, the Dennis
Speaker 1: Silvans I believe are one of them, or the hotly
Speaker 1: debated Homo florenzis um, which would be if if this
Speaker 1: is true, if the most outrageous stuff is true, then
Speaker 1: they would be a race of little people. It just
Speaker 1: makes you realize that you we can't take any of
Speaker 1: this stuff for granted. Well, we have to be vigilant
Speaker 1: and constantly searching. And that's why science is really important, guys. Research,
Speaker 1: it's studying the past is just as important as studying
Speaker 1: the future. In my opinion. Yeah, and I think I
Speaker 1: agree with that. It reminds me the William Falkner quotation
Speaker 1: when he said the past isn't over, It isn't even
Speaker 1: past yet. And let's pick up on the point about science,
Speaker 1: because one thing that you and I ran into when
Speaker 1: we were doing these episodes was an alarming tendency towards
Speaker 1: bad science, primarily um. For most of the most of
Speaker 1: the span of archaeology. The primary problem in the science
Speaker 1: has been institutionalized racism. You know, European European forces come
Speaker 1: to Africa, they find the ruins of ancient civilizations, Great
Speaker 1: Zimbabwe or so on, and then they say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: there's no way that native Africans could have built this.
Speaker 1: Where is the secret lost tribe? Because that makes sense?
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's so weird to me. We've we've
Speaker 1: been getting a lot of flak on YouTube in the
Speaker 1: comments because we've discussed we want to discuss that point
Speaker 1: of institutionalized racism at that time period and well pretty
Speaker 1: much in the past from this point, um, and I
Speaker 1: it's tough for me to kind of swallow that criticism
Speaker 1: because I understand what people are saying. You know, you're
Speaker 1: playing the racism card, is I thing? And unfortunately this
Speaker 1: is just a kind of a truth that we need
Speaker 1: to face at some point. Well sure, and I you know,
Speaker 1: I understand somebody saying that, but they're objecting to something
Speaker 1: different than what we have done in that video, which
Speaker 1: is the which is the fact, the concrete historical fact that,
Speaker 1: due to pre existing notions of how the world or
Speaker 1: human society should be, a lot of scientists who could
Speaker 1: have made some great headway. Uh when when their time
Speaker 1: income instead retreated back to their ideologies. And it's kind
Speaker 1: of like the it's kind of like the Holocaust experiment stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, it's bad science because the guys set out,
Speaker 1: the people who were conducting those experiments, set out to
Speaker 1: reach a predetermined conclusion. Now, I will say, I will
Speaker 1: say to be absolutely fair that assuming, um, assuming that
Speaker 1: there was no great secret to find or there was
Speaker 1: no lost technology, is just as silly as assuming that
Speaker 1: there had to be UM some you know, imagine the
Speaker 1: most unrealistic thing you could see, right, like, um, time
Speaker 1: travelers from the future come back and build the pyramids
Speaker 1: to found the Masonic Order that later builds the time
Speaker 1: machines in post apocalyptic Earth to send them back to
Speaker 1: finish the loop. I mean, that's I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: riffing on that one. But we do know, we do
Speaker 1: know that UM, different different techniques, different processes that we
Speaker 1: are using are bearing fruit because lost civilizations and lost
Speaker 1: cities are being found at an unprecedented rate and across
Speaker 1: the world. In South America, in the Near East, UM,
Speaker 1: who knows what's out there in Eurasia or Siberia or
Speaker 1: places where UM, you would have to have a massive
Speaker 1: amount of funding to one covers something and to be
Speaker 1: absolutely fair. Again, um, who knows what we will find.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about it. Yeah I am. I am
Speaker 1: personally thrilled. Brings the Indiana Jones part of me that's
Speaker 1: hidden deep down in my childhood. It just brings it
Speaker 1: right to the surface. And when we let's see, we've
Speaker 1: touched on a lot of stuff in this one and um,
Speaker 1: we don't want to completely ruin the episodes for anyone
Speaker 1: who hasn't seen them, and you should check them out.
Speaker 1: One one thing that we can find if we want
Speaker 1: to call this in favor of, you know, the quote
Speaker 1: unquote conspiracy theorists versus the quote unquote skeptics who are
Speaker 1: not Usually I don't like those two sides, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't either. They're not They're kind of a false psychotomy.
Speaker 1: And usually the people who are quote unquote skeptics or not. Um,
Speaker 1: the people who often are self described skeptics are have
Speaker 1: some preconceived notions. But and that's what we found in
Speaker 1: a lot of our research. It doesn't lie on the
Speaker 1: outskirts of any issue. Really, the the truth that that
Speaker 1: we've been drilling down to it's usually somewhere near the
Speaker 1: middle on one side or the other. Uh, it's usually right,
Speaker 1: you know, right near the middle, somewhere where it's especially
Speaker 1: with these law civilizations. Right, there's there's truth to it
Speaker 1: that we can find in point to um. But there's
Speaker 1: so much left that, let's say, the more imaginative ideas
Speaker 1: can't be dismissed. Ubar Hali Gate, Shangri law, the Minoan Empire.
Speaker 1: These are just these are just a few of the
Speaker 1: examples you've heard about, Oh El Dorado for instance, um
Speaker 1: Sue dot Blanca. What what we are finding shows us
Speaker 1: clearly that there is a hugely favorable probability that there
Speaker 1: are undiscovered cities. And when we say cities, we mean
Speaker 1: possibly massive cities. Uh that might be underwater now due
Speaker 1: to us shift in um land mass, or that might
Speaker 1: be completely covered due to some other sort of disaster.
Speaker 1: Especially now that we know from that DNA discovery recently
Speaker 1: that humanity goes back much further than we thought. So
Speaker 1: we need to start looking in places that perhaps have
Speaker 1: been covered over for three thousand years. Oh yeah, what
Speaker 1: if the ice caps melt and it turns out that
Speaker 1: this has been in the south Pole the entire time.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's crazy to think about it. It
Speaker 1: sounds silly, but yeah, well it's not necessarily silly. It's
Speaker 1: it's silly if we say that's definitely gonna happen. But
Speaker 1: but it is a point of departure, and this is
Speaker 1: um Honestly, this is an exciting time to be alive,
Speaker 1: not just for an archaeologists, but this is an exciting
Speaker 1: time to be alive for anyone who wants to see
Speaker 1: how the official narrative of history has been wrong and
Speaker 1: humanity as a whole, and and the official story of
Speaker 1: humanity as a whole. So we're gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: wrap it up on that note, we hope that you
Speaker 1: do check out our four episodes on lost cities, uh
Speaker 1: everywhere from anglor Want to Atlantis and everything between, and
Speaker 1: we would love to hear your stories and your opinions
Speaker 1: about these lost cities. And on the off chance that
Speaker 1: you have solid evidence of something that completely contradicts the
Speaker 1: historical narrative of you know, your textbooks and your teachers
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