Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to fifty three,
Speaker 1: episode two of day production of I Heart Radio. This
Speaker 1: is a podcast where we take a deep dive into
Speaker 1: America's share consciousness. And it's Wednesday, September seven, which of
Speaker 1: course means, drumroll, please wait well September seven. Oh man,
Speaker 1: it's we got a lot. Okay, It's National Grandma Moses Day.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, National Grateful Patient Day,
Speaker 1: National neither snow nor rain Day, National New Hampshire Day,
Speaker 1: heard of that one? And no rain day? Is that sleep?
Speaker 1: They want to do? You want to do? You want
Speaker 1: to want me to expand on that? A little wildly
Speaker 1: inappropriate given our current final damn. It's to commemorate the
Speaker 1: opening of the New York Post Office. So neither neither
Speaker 1: snow nor rain, nor heat nor bloom of night stays
Speaker 1: these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds
Speaker 1: out of to the post office, just to just do
Speaker 1: National Post Office Day. Maybe, yeah, yeah, don't make it
Speaker 1: about it now. It sounds like a logic problem about
Speaker 1: a type of ruation that we're supposed to be guessing,
Speaker 1: like New York Postal Workers Day, like probably be like
Speaker 1: neither so nor rain. Anyways, my name's Jack O'Brien. A
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Speaker 1: That's courtesy of Bohemian Rap City Andrew Twitter handle, and
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co host,
Speaker 1: Mr Miles gra Um pum bum bum bum bum bum
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Speaker 1: way to where the hater sleep? Can you tell me
Speaker 1: how to get how to get to lambo? Bi? Okay,
Speaker 1: how do you get that Lambo? Just go on you too,
Speaker 1: and look for all of these people preaching the growth,
Speaker 1: the wealth, prosperity, and you two may have lambode that
Speaker 1: will fill the fathers shaped void leah in your soul. Well, Miles,
Speaker 1: we are thrilled to be joined. That was beautiful, but
Speaker 1: so also if forgot to shout out that's from ghost
Speaker 1: face killing oh really gross space killing my bad. I
Speaker 1: still folk with you, Tony. I would be impressed, but
Speaker 1: also a little worried about ghost faces career and investments.
Speaker 1: If he was right in Hayes for us, but maybe
Speaker 1: just a big fan. I mean, would gross face kill it?
Speaker 1: Be like Tony Barfs, Like, how would you that? Because
Speaker 1: you know he's Tony Starks. You know he's got many nicknames.
Speaker 1: The iron Man face to this is we're picturing garbage
Speaker 1: pale kid equivalents of all the wood Tang clan members
Speaker 1: right right right, This probably needs to happen, if it
Speaker 1: hasn't already, and if it's already art that we should
Speaker 1: have all right, well, sorry, sorry to derail the show
Speaker 1: at end with that question. Oh miles, get back on track.
Speaker 1: Trying Long Weekend, Long Weekend Weird. Thrilled to be joined
Speaker 1: by a creative and political activists who has gone viral
Speaker 1: a number of times, including creating the video in which
Speaker 1: Ellen DeGeneres is non apology monologue about being friends with
Speaker 1: George W. Bush was juxtaposed with footage of his war crimes,
Speaker 1: and Ellen was not thrilled tried to get it taken down.
Speaker 1: Among many other things. That's just the one that you
Speaker 1: you might know him from. Please welcome the brilliant and
Speaker 1: talented Raphael Schmoon off wrap in the building. I'm still
Speaker 1: recovering a little bit from I think you shouted something
Speaker 1: in German to this Jewish person. I shouted away from
Speaker 1: the mic though, so it was being sensitive. My ancestors
Speaker 1: put their hands on my shoulders and steady, steady, stead
Speaker 1: what about my Howard Dean scream? Did that take you back?
Speaker 1: That one just always reminds me of how little it
Speaker 1: took to sink someone. And yeah, nothing can sink anyone anymore.
Speaker 1: I know. That's I honestly, so why I love that clip.
Speaker 1: It's like the dude literally is just like saying he
Speaker 1: was so stoked on the idea of the president. Have
Speaker 1: we gotten the deep dive like journalistic deep dive documentary
Speaker 1: about the Dean Scream? Because I think it's it's both
Speaker 1: a testament to how little it could take to sink
Speaker 1: someone and also how little it can take to sink
Speaker 1: someone when the mainstream media is cooperating and don't like
Speaker 1: their policies. There has to be one out there, and
Speaker 1: the Dean Scream is the is the exact name that
Speaker 1: it should be, right, you know, some people know it
Speaker 1: as the I have a scream. It's just good meming.
Speaker 1: This is bullshit. The Wikipedia passing like w w w
Speaker 1: oh my god. I know, like the documentary about where
Speaker 1: they look at the audio and they say that he
Speaker 1: actually didn't scream that loud, and the that might have
Speaker 1: been an episode of this American Life or something that
Speaker 1: I'm remembering, But I want to see the one about
Speaker 1: the just general agreement behind closed doors by the mainstream
Speaker 1: media to be like, let's let's kill him with this?
Speaker 1: Should we kill him with this? Yeah, let's let's let's
Speaker 1: get rid of this, because he anticipated so many things
Speaker 1: about modern politics and moving towards progressive ideals and also
Speaker 1: online fundraising. But I'm sure they're dude, what a nerd? Huh?
Speaker 1: It was when when the mainstream media was an internet
Speaker 1: an approximation of what the Internet would become, and also
Speaker 1: just bullies in a lunch room keep doing and they
Speaker 1: keep blaming. Now they say it's Twitter, the Twitter mom
Speaker 1: that has it. But they did it with Dacocus where
Speaker 1: they had this helmet on and he was in a
Speaker 1: tank and he's a man of you know, normal stature
Speaker 1: or smaller stature, and they used that to to to
Speaker 1: ridicule him, and then well then they did, yeah, Carry
Speaker 1: was so they killed Dean with the scream to make
Speaker 1: room for John Carry, who they then killed with the
Speaker 1: flip flop but John Carrey did it to himself in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Maybe they made room for Dean
Speaker 1: or made room four carry because they knew we're going
Speaker 1: to rinse this fool. They also have a picture of
Speaker 1: him and like all this ppe going through a tube
Speaker 1: like an HVAC two. Yeah circulated. It was just wild.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he did a lot to himself. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: now they can't do shit about Trump unfortunately. Probably those
Speaker 1: two are probably related. Them just doing ship at a
Speaker 1: whim based on who they thought had the best odds
Speaker 1: in the horse race for the Democratic combination and people
Speaker 1: losing faith in their opinion of things might might be canned.
Speaker 1: Might be related. Anyways, It's great to have you back.
Speaker 1: It's been been a little while. Have you been doing
Speaker 1: I'm doing good. Yeah. I just came back from a
Speaker 1: rally yesterday was the Starbucks workers and the Amazon Labor
Speaker 1: Union rally for Labor Day. We went to Jeff bezos
Speaker 1: penthouse and we went to Sheltzon's penthouse with the workers.
Speaker 1: We ended up in Times Square. It was really really powerful,
Speaker 1: powerful moment, amazing. Bezos and Mr Schultz weren't there to
Speaker 1: greet you with, uh, you know, it was there penthouses.
Speaker 1: I think Bezos keeps buying more floors, and now it's
Speaker 1: up to like, I don't know, maybe over a hundred
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars and value of that of the two
Speaker 1: floors of the penthouse. Yes, is why he's going to
Speaker 1: stop at the seventh floor. Nothing blew seven because he
Speaker 1: doesn't want to hear the protests because d C Mansion
Speaker 1: has twenty five bathrooms and we're all like still kind
Speaker 1: of trying to figure out, like why would someone need bathrooms?
Speaker 1: But you go in there and it's just all bathrooms
Speaker 1: the whole thing. It's not that big enough compartment. It's
Speaker 1: just it's like a door city. From the first episode
Speaker 1: of the rehearsal back, where's my room? It's the third
Speaker 1: door on the left there. It's just the bathroom that's
Speaker 1: right where the pieces of ship go. Kind of control
Speaker 1: to me, it's like the workers have to pee in
Speaker 1: these bottles. And then he's like, fun them, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get bathrooms. Yeah, He's like, I will cut my p
Speaker 1: off mid stream and spread it over seven toilets, broadcast
Speaker 1: workers a little bit, but I gotta go to the
Speaker 1: net alright, Relf, we are going to get to know
Speaker 1: you a little bit better? Is it is that? Okay? Ref? Alright, great, Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to know you know a little bit better.
Speaker 1: And Miles called you that, and I just I'm not
Speaker 1: as cool as Miles. I can't like pull off nicknames sometimes,
Speaker 1: So I just know, I just thought that. I thought
Speaker 1: that's how we always were greeted each other. But I
Speaker 1: guess not. I'm trying to go by the Twitter handle,
Speaker 1: but I feel like converse bastionally. I've always known him
Speaker 1: as rap. There you go. All right, Well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get to know you a little bit better at a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things
Speaker 1: we're talking about today. We are talking about the end
Speaker 1: of college, high school, middle school essays. As we know
Speaker 1: that there is a new AI that is pretty sophisticated.
Speaker 1: We were talking about like we I think we have
Speaker 1: a pretty low bar for the visual Aiyes, where you
Speaker 1: type in the search term and you're like Kobe Bryant, Barons,
Speaker 1: dam Bears, nine eleven, and it spits out something that
Speaker 1: includes those things, and we're like, whoa, it's amazing. It
Speaker 1: does kind of look like Kobe Bryant, and you know
Speaker 1: that's the kind that brown Cloud with a twenty four
Speaker 1: is going to hit that equal sign and it looks
Speaker 1: but everyone looks like they're melting, and the Twin Towers
Speaker 1: are like kind of bent for some reason. But we're
Speaker 1: still impressed. That's my art critique on this. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying we I think you know, Ralf, you were saying
Speaker 1: before we started that maybe this is part of the
Speaker 1: AI's plan, is to give us an underdog story. They're
Speaker 1: psyching us out. Yeah, give us a bad one that
Speaker 1: we can root for. Yeah. Yeah, anyways, the essay AI
Speaker 1: is way more impressive. So we're gonna talk about that.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the Republicans not really knowing
Speaker 1: what to campaign on anymore, still trying to still trying
Speaker 1: to figure that out. We're gonna talk about fast food
Speaker 1: bowls apparently not going anywhere, and yeah, anyways, all that
Speaker 1: plenty more. But first we like to ask our guests, Ralf,
Speaker 1: what is something from your search history? So you all
Speaker 1: asked recently for me to provide a photo of myself
Speaker 1: to promote this episode as Jewish person um docs a
Speaker 1: lot and smeared by right wing Jews who because of
Speaker 1: my solidarity with Palestinians. So they always do me the
Speaker 1: favorite of finding the most menacing, ridiculous looking photos that
Speaker 1: that I ever took, and they posted and they docked
Speaker 1: you and blah blah blah and um. So there's one
Speaker 1: that goes around. I had the church choice between two.
Speaker 1: There was one that goes around and it looks like
Speaker 1: I'm on the London underground and it looks like I'm
Speaker 1: some far right football hool again and I'm just tandying
Speaker 1: off that day where they just like it was like
Speaker 1: this perfect mix for them to to discredit me as
Speaker 1: a Jewish person. And then then they they found one
Speaker 1: that they needed for me to to to show that
Speaker 1: I'm misappropriating my Jewishness and talking about Palestinian human rights.
Speaker 1: So they have there's this picture of me with a
Speaker 1: sliced bagel and using that as as headphones, and it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think I could but that's what
Speaker 1: I was googling. I was like, I have to give
Speaker 1: these guys a headshot. Let me look through Google, and
Speaker 1: I know I'm pupping the algorithm on Google. Are the
Speaker 1: most terrible sights that come up, right, and you know,
Speaker 1: every time my mom googles me should probably cries, but
Speaker 1: it is the easiest photo libr Wait, so how I'm
Speaker 1: curious because I can only imagine what kind of disingenuous
Speaker 1: attacks you have to face when you're objectively being like
Speaker 1: this isn't apartheid, um, and like yo, like how are
Speaker 1: you are they saying that just like your weaponizing your
Speaker 1: like your Jewish background to sort of restore the argument
Speaker 1: to be They have names for it. They you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go too deeply into it, but however,
Speaker 1: they do it to white Jews, but they do it
Speaker 1: with a special kind of zest to Jews of colors.
Speaker 1: I'm from Uzbekistan, and uh, they they basically test you,
Speaker 1: Like when I bumped them on the street or on Twitter,
Speaker 1: on d m s. They asked me to like prove
Speaker 1: to them like indicators that I'm really Jewish and not
Speaker 1: like secretly Muslim or some kind of agent of some
Speaker 1: of some sort, just because I'm like, hey, one person,
Speaker 1: one vote, right monster yeah, or like or even just
Speaker 1: like they're like I think, never mind, I can I
Speaker 1: can imagine, Yeah, the absurdity of like just looking at
Speaker 1: things in real time and having a whole, very highly
Speaker 1: energized group of people to the way to disempower it
Speaker 1: is to really talk about it and bring it up
Speaker 1: and ridiculous versus um they. But but for me, it's
Speaker 1: easy because I have a platform to do that. And
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who are docs like this.
Speaker 1: This is the first result in their in their name
Speaker 1: on Google for life, and it's gonna jobs it's going
Speaker 1: to affect their relationships. It's they don't have a platform
Speaker 1: to self self, you know, speak for themselves and respond
Speaker 1: and then like which which tweet was photoshop? Which thing
Speaker 1: was taken out of context? So what we did was
Speaker 1: there's one group like this. It's called it's like this
Speaker 1: fake hate site, but it's called stop Anti Semitism dot
Speaker 1: org and it's run by a right winger like Trumper
Speaker 1: and uh we but we took the dot com version
Speaker 1: from under them. They they forgot to either renew it
Speaker 1: or something. And I raised some money and we we
Speaker 1: bought it from under them. Were crowdsourced it. And now
Speaker 1: we're gonna create that space for people to respond, for
Speaker 1: those people who don't have a platform, so that the
Speaker 1: first Google result for their name for speaking with about
Speaker 1: Palestinians or being Palestinian for them to have a thing
Speaker 1: where it shows their side of what what what what
Speaker 1: the truth was? Does that creep into Like so that's
Speaker 1: something that you have to think about when you are
Speaker 1: representing yourself online or I have you been able to
Speaker 1: just I'm so much more insulated from it just because
Speaker 1: I I have these platforms, I have these opportunities to
Speaker 1: talk about it and even the score and and show
Speaker 1: what happened. But yeah, I don't I don't think about
Speaker 1: it too much. Plus, you know my I just make
Speaker 1: sure I fool proof my life. Like if I join
Speaker 1: our organization, I have to make sure the board you know,
Speaker 1: knows and it's cool and like surprised. If I joined
Speaker 1: a campaign, I have to be like, hey, this might
Speaker 1: come up and then you know, really get like buying
Speaker 1: for there. But it's it's am a lot easier for me.
Speaker 1: That's wild. What is something you think is overrated? Oh?
Speaker 1: Like that? I like that? Grow I'm gonna start with underrated,
Speaker 1: right alright, yeah, go go go yeah, So underrated people
Speaker 1: who are too faced are underrated. Sometimes one face is
Speaker 1: good and the other face is better, right, why can't
Speaker 1: it be that why is it always bad? You know,
Speaker 1: I'm staring at you guys in Gemini right now, pleading
Speaker 1: with you that being two faced is underrated. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's this what what what's the euphemism you you if
Speaker 1: you would give a new word for to face, kind
Speaker 1: of have it encapsulate what you're talking about? What what
Speaker 1: would you call about? Like presentational flexibility? Squad? Got a
Speaker 1: squad with you. It's amazing, it's powerful. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you want me to call my homies up and I'm here,
Speaker 1: what's up? Motherfucker? You're like, whoa? What's do you think
Speaker 1: is overrated? This is a controversial one. Lynn Manuel Miranda
Speaker 1: is overrated. His wraps are corny. He supported bad like
Speaker 1: colonialist things in Puerto Rico, called Promessa the austerity stuff
Speaker 1: and Hamilton's glorified bad things. But I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: It was good and I spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: in money see the show. It was actually really brilliant.
Speaker 1: But you gotta you know, here's the one line that
Speaker 1: I found bust my flow because the flow is lethal.
Speaker 1: It's called in the Heights and life is sweet, yo.
Speaker 1: In the Heights is genius, Like it's one of the
Speaker 1: most beautiful things that you should see the movie and
Speaker 1: whoever saw the playmen existed, and you're just like ridiculously genius.
Speaker 1: But and be good at every right, It's not like
Speaker 1: you're gonna get like real bars out of him. You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't like be able to write all these songs
Speaker 1: and do these arrangements and have fucking bars to yea
Speaker 1: and not sell out your own people. But also, this
Speaker 1: is Puerto Rican family business and I'm not Puerto Ricans. Hey,
Speaker 1: jay Z did it? Oh yeah, you know, yeah, bars
Speaker 1: and slop the culture out so it can happen. Jay
Speaker 1: Z could do it. I feel like the zeitgeist is
Speaker 1: sort of with you on that is coming around on
Speaker 1: lin Manuel Miranda being a little bit overrated at this point,
Speaker 1: people just were just being like, if I see him
Speaker 1: show up on another like I don't know, award ceremony
Speaker 1: or something like, it's just his His whole vibe is
Speaker 1: I think maybe worn thin on some people. Now I
Speaker 1: want to see dark Miranda emerge. Yeah, dark lint. See
Speaker 1: what that looks like with the laser eyes? Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: what would that look like? The world will be my stage? Right, Actually,
Speaker 1: we have super producer Becca, who has a lot of
Speaker 1: thoughts that we've talked to her about before with regards
Speaker 1: to Limn Wilmranda, Becca, welcome to the show. This is
Speaker 1: your ten minutes. Let us know any thoughts. I used
Speaker 1: to be like a huge fan of his, like as
Speaker 1: a music theater music theater nerd and as a Puerto
Speaker 1: Rican I and a Hamilton's stand When it originally came out, right,
Speaker 1: I was like boot licking right. I loved it. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean I went to Baylor, you know, like my
Speaker 1: my Polycide teacher was like Hamilton's the best thing ever happened.
Speaker 1: And then I watched Hamilton's and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: oh my god. You know, I was a different mind
Speaker 1: set in Okay. But now as someone who lives in
Speaker 1: New York, who like volunteers at like a latinox like
Speaker 1: collective bookstore in Bushwick and has like become more involved
Speaker 1: in my own Puerto Rican heritage and like the Latino
Speaker 1: slash Puerto Rican community in New York, I definitely feel
Speaker 1: some type of way about his, you know, nonprofit work
Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico, especially as someone who isn't from the island.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of tension between like New Euricans and
Speaker 1: you know, islander Puerto Ricans, and some of it's unjust,
Speaker 1: you know, some of it's defensive, but some of it
Speaker 1: is very just like Puerto Ricans in New York, some
Speaker 1: of them have never been to Puerto Rico and they
Speaker 1: truly do not know what's going on over there. And
Speaker 1: they do have so much pride, as they should, but
Speaker 1: they aren't involved in the policy work or really in
Speaker 1: the history or education of of what's going on. And
Speaker 1: I think it can be very in asive when New
Speaker 1: Euorricans go to Puerto Rico and start enacting looking policies
Speaker 1: so to speak, that are like, you know, pseudo helpful,
Speaker 1: but aren't actually listening to the people of Puerto Rico
Speaker 1: and like what their needs are. So yeah, I I
Speaker 1: feel like he's like a fallen hero of mine, like
Speaker 1: I was. It's it's like I never meet your here.
Speaker 1: It's not that I've ever met him, but it definitely
Speaker 1: feels like I'm like, oh my God, like I he's
Speaker 1: doing it for, you know, like like for the Puerto
Speaker 1: Rican people. And then you just kind of like dig
Speaker 1: one step deeper and you're kind of like, I don't
Speaker 1: know and especially yeah, especially after like I think my
Speaker 1: bubble was burst when In the Heights movie came out,
Speaker 1: because like it was such a departure from the beauty
Speaker 1: that was the original musical, Like I can still talk
Speaker 1: about scenes from saying the original musical and cry because
Speaker 1: it was like my first real representation of like my
Speaker 1: family on screen, like the mom and the original musical
Speaker 1: sounds and like looks like my mom, and I like cried.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I've never seen somebody look like
Speaker 1: my mom and sound like her because she sounds like
Speaker 1: a Eurecan and because she grew up between New York
Speaker 1: and Puerto Rico, she was born on the island. But
Speaker 1: the musical was like such a Hollywood scapegoat, Like it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I got big budget money and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just say yes to every director note that was
Speaker 1: ever given to me. And it was just such a
Speaker 1: sad like I feel like waste of what the original
Speaker 1: art of that piece was, which was like a homage
Speaker 1: to a community that is gentrifying, like that is still
Speaker 1: a story that can be told today. And the way
Speaker 1: they changed the musical was like so nasty in the movie,
Speaker 1: I digress, So yeah, I agree, Miranda overrated. I'm sad
Speaker 1: to say that he is overrated because I was such
Speaker 1: a fan and now I'm like, why can't we have
Speaker 1: any good hero I'm like, the next of all from
Speaker 1: Grace is I don't want You're not gonna want to
Speaker 1: Goner Cortes, you know, like it's like it's like every
Speaker 1: single one has fallen a little bit. Gina Rotterie have
Speaker 1: something good. We can never have a full you know,
Speaker 1: all of our heroes are flowed like I don't I
Speaker 1: mean Mark Antony in the chores for you know, it's
Speaker 1: just like there's so many I guess we have. I
Speaker 1: mean Rita Marino said, some colors ship. You know, It's
Speaker 1: like I guess we have? Um who do we have?
Speaker 1: Rosie Press? Like I'm like he did, yeah, exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go there, Tom maybe Tom Hanks, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but his son maybe to change that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do we all see Elvis? I watched it this weekend?
Speaker 1: Wild Thanks guys. Thanks, all right, we're gonna take a
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll be right back and we're back and
Speaker 1: school just got a lot easier. How easy? Yeah? Look,
Speaker 1: so there's a new AI that helps write essays. And
Speaker 1: I just want to say, look, when I were a boy,
Speaker 1: you know, I spent a lot of time trying to
Speaker 1: not do a lot of school work so I could
Speaker 1: just be outside having fun and fucking around. So that
Speaker 1: would manifest into me being like, what's this test? Oh
Speaker 1: that teachers old? I know how to fucking cheat on
Speaker 1: those tests. I'll buy all the fucking old tests from
Speaker 1: the people two classes above me who saved everything. And
Speaker 1: it was like, this is like a commodity of my
Speaker 1: high school. They're like, yo, you got his tests and
Speaker 1: somebody would have him each year, and you could be like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to me, this is right here. If this
Speaker 1: is this is it. This is the whole year you
Speaker 1: don't have to do ship. So anyway, back then it
Speaker 1: was like old scantron's or like you could see an
Speaker 1: old quiz to get a letter up, like as a
Speaker 1: studying guide. But now you know that things were very
Speaker 1: low fi back then. But now, because of all of
Speaker 1: this fucking technology, man, we are now looking at students
Speaker 1: being able to write whole fucking essays by sending like
Speaker 1: by feeding this AI just by giving it a sentence
Speaker 1: or two. And these programs allow students to create entirely
Speaker 1: new fucking essays that can't Like traditionally you could be
Speaker 1: like you feed it through a plagiarism detection service or
Speaker 1: whatever software and it would try and find some similarities
Speaker 1: and be like, ah, this is this other thing that's
Speaker 1: on the internet with this, because it's wholly new work.
Speaker 1: It completely conside step a lot of those things that
Speaker 1: are in the like plagiarism detection software, and it's pretty sophisticated.
Speaker 1: It's taking your style, like your writing style and the
Speaker 1: information you've provided. Is it using research. I even did
Speaker 1: a thing where I put in you know, how you
Speaker 1: see the doc you know my writing style, like it's
Speaker 1: very conversational. I I all caps shipped out of nowhere
Speaker 1: for like emphasis, just like in my own head. And
Speaker 1: I put that in there and it kind of gave
Speaker 1: me back like a flippant story about Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: his legal team, like not giving a funk about the
Speaker 1: legal process. It wasn't like it didn't it didn't have
Speaker 1: like swag, but you could tell it was trying to
Speaker 1: do something. So in that sense, I'm like, Okay, if
Speaker 1: you're very if you're a very creative writer, your your
Speaker 1: ship is still safe. Um, but I just want to
Speaker 1: show you. So there's this article in jacobin about how
Speaker 1: Trader Joe's is also starting the union bus right now
Speaker 1: because they are they're fucking you know, they're looking at
Speaker 1: Starbucks and they're like, alright, homies, we know we know
Speaker 1: the play right here, getting the unions. So this is
Speaker 1: the This is the first two sentences from this Jacobine
Speaker 1: article quote Trader Joe's workers in Minneapolis when their union
Speaker 1: in a landslide vote August twelve, making there's the second
Speaker 1: store to go with the new independent Trader Joe's United.
Speaker 1: The wind raises the question of whether the grosser, with
Speaker 1: its five locations and progressive image, could be the next Starbucks.
Speaker 1: So I just put that into the fucking machine. It
Speaker 1: gave me back two more paragraphs, but I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: read you the first paragraph and a half. So this
Speaker 1: is how it's wanted to continue what we just at it.
Speaker 1: And that's no small feat. Last year, Starbucks Barista's notched
Speaker 1: a huge victory when the coffee chain agreed to pay
Speaker 1: higher wages and give workers to say over the chain
Speaker 1: social media policies. But unlike Starbucks, which is a global
Speaker 1: chain with thousands of locations. Trader Joe's only has about
Speaker 1: fent of the grocery market, reports to Los Angeles Times.
Speaker 1: Standalone non unionized shops are actually more common with the grocer,
Speaker 1: which has opened about fifty shops in cities over the
Speaker 1: last year. That's fucking AI that just kept going with that,
Speaker 1: and granted analysis that stuff is all true. They aren't
Speaker 1: just making that up. They're like pulling that off the Internet.
Speaker 1: What's what's the in? Pull from other articles and it
Speaker 1: will even tell you were pulled from Wow, and you
Speaker 1: can and you can alter ship to right, like you
Speaker 1: can dumb your ship down. So let's say, you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: you know an article like that is probably not for
Speaker 1: Mrs schul sixth grade English class, But like, if you
Speaker 1: wanted to, you could put in a very very simple,
Speaker 1: like dry explanation of the themes in the Disney film
Speaker 1: toy story and it will come back to you with
Speaker 1: about the same level of like rhetorical style. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think you could turn that Jacobin thing into miss
Speaker 1: Schultz and she'd be she'd just be like, whoa damn okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm Columbia's journalism school. I was passing love
Speaker 1: letters and being a class clown. So I'm like thinking now,
Speaker 1: like I would ay, I would have helped me, right right.
Speaker 1: He's probably like I would pass a note to someone
Speaker 1: and she'd be like she opens it up and reads
Speaker 1: it and says, like, wherefore art thou? Jessica Rodriguez? What light?
Speaker 1: What light? From her school desk? Here? Wrath? Right now,
Speaker 1: give me like two sentences from a wrath in sixth
Speaker 1: grade love letter, and we'll let this ship continue. Let
Speaker 1: it come, dear, what what's her name? Jessica? You said? Oh, man,
Speaker 1: Jessica Rodriguez. My god, Jessica, I have a crush on you.
Speaker 1: Are we allowed? Like he's like year old, think about
Speaker 1: We'll just okay, we'll pretend we could well, well, we'll
Speaker 1: just I Jessica, Okay, I have a crush on you.
Speaker 1: You are the most beautiful student at school. It was
Speaker 1: funny too, she was so funny and you are so funny.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give it that, Dear Jessica, I have
Speaker 1: a crush on you. You're the most beautiful student at school,
Speaker 1: and you are so funny. It's going to continue with drumroll,
Speaker 1: please you cheer me up when I am sad. I
Speaker 1: hope you can like me. Sean showed the card to
Speaker 1: my mother and she said, okay, now it's getting back.
Speaker 1: She just got real aggressively started writing, like details into
Speaker 1: your life. Oh so now it's doing a story. I said,
Speaker 1: So you said, dear just kind of crushing You're so funny.
Speaker 1: Then said, would you ever go out with me? Susie?
Speaker 1: But then they said Susie's heart starts beating faster. She
Speaker 1: thinks for a moment and then writes, dear, Mark, thanks
Speaker 1: for the nice poem. You know they're going to monetize
Speaker 1: this and they'll be like an ad in it. Like Jessica,
Speaker 1: you may also be in need of a discount, right,
Speaker 1: just shifted to fiction. But okay, So on one hand,
Speaker 1: it might seem like that is the AI breaking down.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, it could be a brilliant hedge
Speaker 1: where that just comes up in the middle of the thing.
Speaker 1: And so if Jessica is like, nah, you're like no,
Speaker 1: I was just showing you a short story. I wrote,
Speaker 1: why are you acting like I meant this? That's kind
Speaker 1: of AI is the ultimate wing man. Yeah, like four
Speaker 1: dimensional chess. So this is kind of like brought up
Speaker 1: a whole debate with educators because they're like, what the
Speaker 1: fund are we supposed to do? Like doing it shift
Speaker 1: policies now to say, like using AI is against the
Speaker 1: fucking ethos of the school. Funk around with it and
Speaker 1: if we find out, you will find out as well.
Speaker 1: But then they're like, we also don't want to put
Speaker 1: it in students heads that this is a normal ship
Speaker 1: that they can start using. Then other people are like,
Speaker 1: well what are the limits, right, because people use spell
Speaker 1: spell check or other like sort of like smart tools
Speaker 1: that helped the people's writing, and that detects plagiarism. So
Speaker 1: this is just the latest salvo in the arms war
Speaker 1: between students and teachers. The old school way was you
Speaker 1: feed your ship to the plagiarism thing and then you
Speaker 1: swag up every sentence. So now it's not it's not
Speaker 1: going to hit anymore on that that used. That was like,
Speaker 1: I think the way to grind it out using sky
Speaker 1: ship back in the day. But now we're looking at
Speaker 1: just here's three topics. I need you know. It's about these.
Speaker 1: If you like, if the first paragraph is succinct enough,
Speaker 1: it can kind of know where you're headed. Maybe this
Speaker 1: is the new phase of education because you have the
Speaker 1: article generated, but then you have to go in fact
Speaker 1: check the article that was generated for you. So you
Speaker 1: go and relate the entire l A Times article to
Speaker 1: make sure that it's giving and accurate. So it's just
Speaker 1: basically generating research work for you without without doing the
Speaker 1: right with the newest kind of curriculum and education through
Speaker 1: like common cork and have a kid, and it is
Speaker 1: to to not just go and find facts and regurgitate them,
Speaker 1: but to actually be a journalist and get multiple sources
Speaker 1: around places and and actually report back on what society
Speaker 1: was thinking of that moment, what we're the opposing viewpoints.
Speaker 1: So I could see I could see a creative kind
Speaker 1: of curriculum that can kind of pull this in, but
Speaker 1: it's still it's still pretty frightening, right, And that's when
Speaker 1: that's the other thing educators are asking themselves. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, some people are like, well, maybe the way
Speaker 1: we're educating kids needs to change if it's as simple
Speaker 1: as feeding in AI and we need to think a
Speaker 1: little bit more with our brains here to find new
Speaker 1: ways to begin to say, Okay, this assignment means you
Speaker 1: have actually understood the curriculum, like how to operate in
Speaker 1: a new world? Right, that's where're trying to educate them for,
Speaker 1: So you're they know how to plagiarize with your step behind. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the new common Core ship is really messing
Speaker 1: me on. I'm in the midst of a massive cover
Speaker 1: up with my six year old is trying to is
Speaker 1: going through files trying to prove that Santa Claus doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: And they call it the right calls the comedy Core,
Speaker 1: which isn't really funny. What do you mean everyone in
Speaker 1: the country has to learn the same thing. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: then I get yeah, I mean I wonder if I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think of what I mean. Look, I'm not
Speaker 1: an educator, so there's no way I could have a
Speaker 1: constructive idea to help they navigate this. But it does
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, I guess if if it is that
Speaker 1: easy to just merely say, okay, you want me to
Speaker 1: write something watch this, then what is that next step?
Speaker 1: I know plenty of educators was in the show. Please
Speaker 1: let me know. Are y'all worried? Right? Is everything changing
Speaker 1: so rapidly or like that's the least of their problems
Speaker 1: or them? Yeah, Like do if they use this. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to picture a way to take this into
Speaker 1: account and still have them learn, you know, because that
Speaker 1: that is if if it's doing a good job of
Speaker 1: sourcing the articles, that is a way of finding articles
Speaker 1: you know that are relevant to the subject that you're
Speaker 1: talking about, that is just easier, right, So that but
Speaker 1: you do have to fact check them. I guess there's
Speaker 1: this other social thing that's going to occur, I imagine,
Speaker 1: because it's what are what's the algorithm, what is it doing?
Speaker 1: How is it weighing what it's finding? If just something
Speaker 1: is repeated enough on on large accounts, does that make
Speaker 1: it true? You know? And now it's just regurgitating things
Speaker 1: just because you know, very powerful like sites or entities
Speaker 1: kind of repeated the same the same thing, I know,
Speaker 1: like Amazon composing Amazon they send can they know that
Speaker 1: local journalists are really like on a true string budget
Speaker 1: and they don't have time, so they send them can
Speaker 1: end reports and canned footage and it makes it and
Speaker 1: then they reported out like it's almost like like you
Speaker 1: spoke yesterday about capaganda. It's also like the corporaganda where
Speaker 1: they they just make it look like they were inside
Speaker 1: this Amazon facility and everyone loves working there and everyone's fine,
Speaker 1: when really they just regurgitated something written for them and
Speaker 1: you know, played a video that was given to them, right,
Speaker 1: because it's a cheap way to generate what what appears
Speaker 1: to be objective reporting, So it's basically doing the exact
Speaker 1: same thing. This is going to have impact that way.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna start. It's an echo chamber, is
Speaker 1: going to be on steroids. I just wow. I was
Speaker 1: just tinkering with the toys in this AI because you
Speaker 1: could have it do different styles. You're like, yo, I
Speaker 1: want something fantastical, upbeat, authoritative, conflictive, sensual, romantic. I switched
Speaker 1: your opponent your line to romantic and said, dear Jessic,
Speaker 1: I have a crush and you're the most beautiful student
Speaker 1: at school and you are so funny. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you feel the same way about me, but I
Speaker 1: just wanted to let you know how I feel. I
Speaker 1: hope you have a great day. Sincerely, your secret admirer.
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Speaker 1: start relying on AI and ship just stop talking. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: that just proves were absolutely, just like curriculum is obsolete.
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Speaker 1: I can only hear him Bill Simmons's voice every time
Speaker 1: there's like a branded segment. Anyways, Republicans not quite sure
Speaker 1: to campaign. I think they have figured out what not
Speaker 1: to campaign on, but there they don't have anything to
Speaker 1: really replace it. Speaking of AI, yeah, you've fed all
Speaker 1: the GOP talking points from two thousand nine, even before
Speaker 1: from the nineties to today, and you asked it to
Speaker 1: create a sentence, it would say Obama Care is bad,
Speaker 1: healthcare should be replaced with guns. Abortion is the worst
Speaker 1: thing to ever happen. And that's all they're consistent with.
Speaker 1: That's literally, like quite simply a few things they've been
Speaker 1: really consistent on. And these, again, these aren't the words
Speaker 1: of a party that are interested in trying to lead
Speaker 1: the country into some positive future. Obviously, but we already
Speaker 1: knew that. But when you couple that with like the
Speaker 1: results in recent special elections, especially since the DABS decision,
Speaker 1: and you look that you have a group of people
Speaker 1: that are trying to figure out like a thing they
Speaker 1: can talk about that won't be spectacularly unpopular. You know,
Speaker 1: so many of the Republicans now like that, you know,
Speaker 1: that are trying to make a red wave of this.
Speaker 1: November we talked about another candidate who like completely sanitized
Speaker 1: his website. It's like a board. I've never heard of
Speaker 1: nothing about the forced birth never. No, don't don't tell
Speaker 1: me about that. Don't look. Don't go on the way
Speaker 1: back machine either or the Internet archive and see an old,
Speaker 1: cashed version of this website that says the opposite, but
Speaker 1: many of like the kill Obamacare crowd, have had to
Speaker 1: pivot to well, I'm definitely into protections for pre existing conditions.
Speaker 1: I mean, let me get that much straight at minimum,
Speaker 1: And like the forced birth fanatics are also have not
Speaker 1: said a single thing out loud in public, and it's
Speaker 1: just odd, you know, Well, look, a c A has
Speaker 1: become more and more popular over the years, and some
Speaker 1: trying to use like racist dog whistles like Obama Care
Speaker 1: like are no longer connecting. And we've yet to see
Speaker 1: anything resembling what a Republican healthcare policy would look like.
Speaker 1: We don't have to guess. It would just be all
Speaker 1: privatized everything, you know what I mean. And then it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, did you ask Jeff Bezos? Uh? If
Speaker 1: you know if you deserve more hypodermic needles? Yeah, your
Speaker 1: physical brought to you by Amazon and by Amazon. Yeah. Like,
Speaker 1: in the middle of the eye test, you gotta watch
Speaker 1: a fucking trailer from Lord of the Rings and Ship.
Speaker 1: You're like, what the fuck? They're like, Okay, who do
Speaker 1: you see? I don't know, people with bad vision love
Speaker 1: this movie. But like a few consultants on that side.
Speaker 1: They've all said, we really got to steer the conversation
Speaker 1: back to gas prices and inflation. But the main issue
Speaker 1: for voters, as we've seen in like a lot of
Speaker 1: the just any when ask around going into November, seems
Speaker 1: to be all about healthcare and abortion, a realm where
Speaker 1: they are just ethically unfit to just us with non
Speaker 1: ghoul type people. So it's like, I mean, I get
Speaker 1: that the voters suppression ship. It was probably gonna be
Speaker 1: on their side in certain instances, but it's it's it's
Speaker 1: just interesting to watch like them be like fun man,
Speaker 1: we've been saying this ship for so long now. Most
Speaker 1: people are like, actually, I would like to have like
Speaker 1: I would like to not go bankrupt because I have diabetes,
Speaker 1: and they're like ship, um m hmmm, Okay, let's just
Speaker 1: shut the funk up about it, and you know, allowed
Speaker 1: the opponents to create the conversation. The worst part of
Speaker 1: that is that the more Republicans do that, the more
Speaker 1: Democrats feel they have they don't have to do anything exactly.
Speaker 1: It's so buddy like he campaign on canceling like all
Speaker 1: of the students that he just yeah, and then the
Speaker 1: average is like thirty three dollars and now you know.
Speaker 1: Now it's like, yeah, let me take that back. How
Speaker 1: about how about we wet your beak a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: right exactly. It's like, I might you guys might be
Speaker 1: desperate enough. I could get you. I could get through
Speaker 1: four this ship too. I don't want to give you
Speaker 1: all everyone. I went back to the boss and they
Speaker 1: couldn't really figure out that number. Yeah, by the way,
Speaker 1: that eviction protection thing, Yeah, let's let's get rid of that. Right.
Speaker 1: It seems like everybody is waiting up to the fact
Speaker 1: that they're in favor of leftist policies that are helpful
Speaker 1: to the vast majority of people. But they again, there
Speaker 1: is an allergy to being at least self consciously socialists,
Speaker 1: like being conscious that you that you support a leftist.
Speaker 1: How right wingers actually get away with calling Biden and
Speaker 1: the centrist Wall Street Democrats left because that erases the left,
Speaker 1: Because if if the left was platformed in any way
Speaker 1: in this country, there would be a lot it would
Speaker 1: we would resonate with a lot of people because we
Speaker 1: would be talking about material needs that appeal to basically everybody.
Speaker 1: People's ears would be smoking and their TVs would explode. Well,
Speaker 1: actually there is a we. We've mentioned before, there is
Speaker 1: a move in the Democratic Party to offer an alternative.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, well, I guess it's both parties
Speaker 1: coming together together different option. That is the Andrew Yang we,
Speaker 1: the whatever party, and the whatever the Democrats are too
Speaker 1: far left policy party. So the last time I was here,
Speaker 1: I spoke about Yang when he was running for mayor
Speaker 1: of New York and we were talking about why, how
Speaker 1: awful it would be to hire to like the AI
Speaker 1: president who was still modeling how to pick up a banana.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, how to buy a banana? And
Speaker 1: oh man, when we criticize that, immediately like a few
Speaker 1: hours later, corrected just like an AI would and went
Speaker 1: and actually found a real bodega and was like, I
Speaker 1: am now in a body like hilarious, nice try, I
Speaker 1: am now y'all have loose new Ports or not in here,
Speaker 1: my guys, for a loose Newport localized? My god, just
Speaker 1: set into the Yeah. The it's so funny that that
Speaker 1: keeps coming back and getting people is just the inability
Speaker 1: to shop in grocery stores, to even like exist in
Speaker 1: a grocery store. It's because like this kind of clean
Speaker 1: slate that he wants to present and like they're presenting
Speaker 1: this party, the Forward Party, as the Forward party. That's right. Sorry,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not right, it's forward. Which one else
Speaker 1: do we have to explain? I mean, so, what are
Speaker 1: the policies and left that you're too critical of? Well,
Speaker 1: so the thing you have to understands we're not left
Speaker 1: and we're not right, We're forward. That's the only time
Speaker 1: I've heard that. The Only problem is every single person
Speaker 1: behind it is a right winger, either Trump right winger
Speaker 1: or neo Khan like warmonger from the Iraq era, from
Speaker 1: the Bush era, from the Bloomberg era, stuff, like all
Speaker 1: of them. There's one Governor Christy Todd Whitman. She was
Speaker 1: infamous for were stopping a black New Jersey and on
Speaker 1: the street with police, with state troopers so that you
Speaker 1: could get a photo app of herself frisking him. Wow.
Speaker 1: You know, like these are the type of the people
Speaker 1: who fought healthcare for, fought right abortion rights, fought everything,
Speaker 1: and now they're they're like costs playing is this thing
Speaker 1: in order to siphon off? And I've seen like I
Speaker 1: actually have this mixed kind of relationship with Yang supporters.
Speaker 1: A lot of them are new to politics, and they
Speaker 1: he kind of makes sense to someone who's just like
Speaker 1: peeking in. It's like, oh, logical, he's gonna gonna be organizing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have the same thing. During the election, a lot
Speaker 1: of people were like, you actually need to give Yang
Speaker 1: a more of a shot. But when you do talk
Speaker 1: to them and you give them space and you actually
Speaker 1: they like logic and they like things portrayed that way.
Speaker 1: So when you do. This is the one group that
Speaker 1: I don't feel like most of them are driven by
Speaker 1: like some hidden agenda like racism or far right ideology.
Speaker 1: I don't think many of them are. I think they're
Speaker 1: actually just low information and just getting in, and there's
Speaker 1: a great opportunity to really just be like, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: how you want to talk, let me bullet point this
Speaker 1: for you. And I've had a lot of success, a
Speaker 1: lot of success with that right and it's because I
Speaker 1: mean it's so vague. Everything's so vague that I think
Speaker 1: if it probably does act as like a roor Schack
Speaker 1: test for like someone who's newly engaging with politics, where
Speaker 1: you might come like, I don't know, both of the
Speaker 1: main parties seemed dumb and this one what's there? Like
Speaker 1: there the center like the first the landing page. After
Speaker 1: years of working in parallel to United Americans and strengthen
Speaker 1: our democracy, the Forward Party, the Renew America Movement, and
Speaker 1: the Serve American Movement are pleased to announce the formal
Speaker 1: merge of our three organizations. We are coming together from
Speaker 1: a clock across the political spectrum to build a new
Speaker 1: and transformational American political party blah blah blah, operating under
Speaker 1: one name Forward. I mean again, I think with this
Speaker 1: is it's that the smart Republicans are like, Bro, this
Speaker 1: brand is getting toxic, and you need to find a
Speaker 1: way to get some people that are gonna not go
Speaker 1: full left but give them something that sounds fucking flowery.
Speaker 1: But we'll give them funk all in the end. But
Speaker 1: we need to message it differently because simply going out
Speaker 1: and be like gay people are bad, don't cares fucked
Speaker 1: up poor people. They're like, that ship is not working.
Speaker 1: It's not nineteen seventy anymore. Well, yeah, I'd be surprised
Speaker 1: if Yang, people who supported Yang and the last election
Speaker 1: are still about this ship like this. This feels like
Speaker 1: a less of a thing where he's moving his people
Speaker 1: into this category of war where he moved in and
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if anybody follows him, if they are
Speaker 1: truly just I don't see the same energy. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: feels like a thing, a party that is purely motivated
Speaker 1: to get The New York Times to write pieces about
Speaker 1: The New York Times after because it's all based on
Speaker 1: mainstream media, both sides of them, and the stuff that
Speaker 1: doesn't actually exist to voters or really matter to voters,
Speaker 1: and it's there's just no support. Not only is there
Speaker 1: no support for their policies, there are no policies for
Speaker 1: their party, Like they don't really have anything they're willing
Speaker 1: to say out loud, a lot of policies if they're yeah,
Speaker 1: they're founders. Another one is Barbara Comstock. She was the
Speaker 1: one that said we should build a wall in front
Speaker 1: of Canada too, and we should track immigrants and migrants
Speaker 1: like FedEx packages. Her words, amazing ship. It goes build deep.
Speaker 1: The amount of Republican funding the Trump is and that
Speaker 1: guy who wrote that all these anonymous figures that were
Speaker 1: in the White House that came whistleblowers only when not
Speaker 1: when it matter, but when they could sell a book.
Speaker 1: They waited to when they could sell a book. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but one of them is called Miles Taylor's. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's part of it too. It's just like if it
Speaker 1: was a real movement, they wouldn't have merged with these
Speaker 1: other things. They just knew the brand was fucked up.
Speaker 1: They just they just like, yeah, we gotta rebrand this
Speaker 1: ship man, right, and they're gonna split the vote. They
Speaker 1: did that in New York just now. They got a
Speaker 1: congress member, probably Daniel Goldman, just like billionaire heir to
Speaker 1: the Levi Strauss fortune, and they they basically he bought
Speaker 1: a congressional seat so far, and that was based on
Speaker 1: splitting the vote, the progressive vote, um, and just you know, pandering,
Speaker 1: pretending your Democrat. Oh so he actually used this forward
Speaker 1: party to get elected or no, just like the same formula. Okay,
Speaker 1: well we're we're the reasonable people in the middle. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean that's been that's been working since CLINTONI and
Speaker 1: triangulation and I forget that. There's this guy who ran
Speaker 1: for president against Trump and was kind of a centrist. Oh,
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. Joe Biden, that guy doesn't doesn't actually support
Speaker 1: any progressive policies, Saudi arabiews a pariah state. Oh, come here, Mohammed,
Speaker 1: I got you, maybe I got you. All right, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break. We'll be right back. Do you
Speaker 1: think he was Mohammed been saw? Mom? Mo, Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was something something. Yeah, you're chilling. I'm chilling. I'm chilling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I doing my drug brand and ship. Yeah. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: labor day over here. Yeah yeah, I'm by the pool.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you need more okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: we can see those missiles all right, yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: all right later Mom again, just doing the work of
Speaker 1: making Joe Biden cooler than he actually by making fun
Speaker 1: of him. He got the he got the drink, airline
Speaker 1: and ship with the air pot in. All right, we're back,
Speaker 1: even though it got cut off before. We are back.
Speaker 1: But we do have to move on to more important things,
Speaker 1: which is our continued reporting on Papa John's popa Bolls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just a bowl full of pizza slopped with no crust
Speaker 1: for seven. It took me twelve Papa bulls to get one.
Speaker 1: Dit on. They are redeemable for one, Dad, But yeah,
Speaker 1: but they so Papa and co. I don't know how
Speaker 1: you refer to Papa John's I have, Yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's like Tiffany, right. Right, So they've decided that they
Speaker 1: are just trying to get or they've decided that the
Speaker 1: way they're gonna angle this is they're just trying to
Speaker 1: get people excited about pizza again, since their sales were
Speaker 1: somewhat stagnant. I mean, I've been the meetings where where
Speaker 1: the boss tells us that we have no more health insurance,
Speaker 1: but because they brought pizza, everyone's happy, right, No one,
Speaker 1: Pizza has not lost its excitement, nor are the sales diminishing.
Speaker 1: Pizza sales are projected to grow by five point three
Speaker 1: percent in two which so it seems like more the
Speaker 1: problem might be with Papa John's, and their answer is
Speaker 1: to remove the crust and shove the remaining ingredients into
Speaker 1: a disposable container. It's it really feels like a I
Speaker 1: think the reason I'm I can't quit this story is
Speaker 1: just it truly feels like a dystopic, like a step
Speaker 1: towards the dystopic future where we just get our little
Speaker 1: individual plastic meal trays that come to us and we
Speaker 1: consume everything in plastic meal trays. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the one thing consistently we always hear is that
Speaker 1: this isn't for this for people who are eating keto, right,
Speaker 1: you know, it's the only time you're like, now, funk
Speaker 1: everything else on the pizza. I just want the fun,
Speaker 1: the non bread part. So I get that there there's
Speaker 1: they they must see some segment there. But on the
Speaker 1: other part of it too. The my first instinct is like,
Speaker 1: I mean, like, why do I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: darker story here, Like, listen, Bill, we cut down too
Speaker 1: many trees for pizza boxes and pumped too much carbon
Speaker 1: with deliveries. So now with climate change, we don't have grains,
Speaker 1: so we will not have grains, and they're trying to
Speaker 1: wean us off grain because of the war Ukraine. Let's
Speaker 1: make this sec let let's to make pizza sexy again
Speaker 1: without without great They're like, fun bread, we don't need grain, right,
Speaker 1: But you know, someone was like, what are we gonna
Speaker 1: put the food on? And then they're like, what about
Speaker 1: plastic climate destroying bowls? Right? Learning nothing, that's The Washington
Speaker 1: Post reviewed the product and called it a pantry dump
Speaker 1: and a lot of packaging. So apparently the packaging is
Speaker 1: is not insignificant. There's a lot of it. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: sustainable or unsustainable. It's it's forward packaging. It's forward exactly right,
Speaker 1: Like we're just taking consensus. Common consensus is going to
Speaker 1: dictate what we put the Papa bowls in. Okay, sounds
Speaker 1: of gross if you think that sounds bad. And so
Speaker 1: this is another indication that this is led by necessity.
Speaker 1: I think you're definitely on call me when someone records
Speaker 1: some record producers sells them. I love it when you
Speaker 1: call me big bowl. Yeah. So I could just like
Speaker 1: I don't know, start making Molotov cocktails out of them.
Speaker 1: I mean, just and you've got that. That's my that's
Speaker 1: my a K for tomorrow. By the way, Justin, just
Speaker 1: you can you can just grab that recording super producer, Justin.
Speaker 1: But the other so the the other part of this
Speaker 1: that suggests that it is need based to me, and
Speaker 1: we've seen by the way, we've seen things that are
Speaker 1: you know, moves within the fast food industry that are
Speaker 1: controlled not by what they would you know, what they
Speaker 1: would seem. For instance, there was a bunch of excess
Speaker 1: cheese or milk fat in a cave at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the eighties because people had switched to skim milk
Speaker 1: from whole milk, and we we've talked about this before,
Speaker 1: but that they basically could get cheese really cheaply. And
Speaker 1: that's how like our pizza's got so much more cheesy
Speaker 1: than they were heading into the eighties cheese surplus, right,
Speaker 1: so what it's done to us? There's another one of these,
Speaker 1: the Subway no bready bowls, And have we figured out
Speaker 1: if that is a play on anything? I remember, I
Speaker 1: thought it was like Betty By was the only Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I remember, Ever, I just rejected that. Yeah, that's come
Speaker 1: a little and like again, something that suggests that they
Speaker 1: started at the assumption of we have to just cram
Speaker 1: ingredients into people's mouths with no bread, and then you know,
Speaker 1: worked backwards from that because these products are not marketing
Speaker 1: master strokes, to say the least. They're pretty just made
Speaker 1: look piled on top of meat and abject defiance of
Speaker 1: all that's good and pure in the world. They won't
Speaker 1: even do us the service of pressing it into a
Speaker 1: shape like they do in every dystopian future movie, right right,
Speaker 1: like where's your here's your nutrition, puck, there's some pork shavings, right,
Speaker 1: it was always wasn't always like biscuits or you know,
Speaker 1: just a disc of green something or other. With The
Speaker 1: thing that we missed out on is that they can't
Speaker 1: quit the packaging. The packaging is is good for business.
Speaker 1: So it's all about the bowls. Yeah. I mean. The
Speaker 1: thing is like I used to eat like low car
Speaker 1: right where I would say like, yeah, like if I
Speaker 1: go to Chipotle, like give me the burrito bowl or whatever,
Speaker 1: and I like that you could get but that still
Speaker 1: made sense in my mind. I was like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is just this is like when you eat a burrito
Speaker 1: or sloppy and the ship just fell off the plate
Speaker 1: and you got to eat it with a fork at
Speaker 1: the end. But with some of these I'm like even
Speaker 1: and I even asked, like people who I know are
Speaker 1: doukto and stuff, They're like, I'd rather make my own food.
Speaker 1: They like that there are options, right, So when you
Speaker 1: go out and everybody wants to disrespect themselves with some
Speaker 1: Papa John's, You're like, I guess I have to participate
Speaker 1: in this terrible act and I'll get up ready whatever
Speaker 1: the funk Papa bowl. But on the other hand, I
Speaker 1: think like other times too, that most people I know
Speaker 1: they like to make their own food, and you just
Speaker 1: friends evening to dinner at pop the John's. Is there
Speaker 1: is that even an option? Is it possible to sit
Speaker 1: down at a Papa Johnson? I mean, you've never seen
Speaker 1: one that has seating, nodding out, Um, Duncan has a
Speaker 1: breakfast bowl and Cassy originated it with And then this
Speaker 1: is another indicator that this is not a healthcotch thing
Speaker 1: that the first thing that Cassy Bowl, which I did
Speaker 1: partake in and thought was pretty delicious, was the highest
Speaker 1: calorie item on the menu. It was really just about
Speaker 1: the platform, yeah, right, because that was the one. I
Speaker 1: think what they had like the base was mac and cheese.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this ain't no card. Oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is like, fuck my life up. Please. The one that
Speaker 1: I had had corn mashed potatoes, chicken strips, I think,
Speaker 1: and then popcorn chicken, popcorn chicken, popcorn chicken, and it
Speaker 1: used gravy like it was milk in cereal. It was
Speaker 1: so it was so voicing up those popcorn chickens. Baby,
Speaker 1: we're less offended when they just take it completely to overboard, right, OKAYFC,
Speaker 1: Like we're just like Okay, we get you're you're sort
Speaker 1: of ridiculing it and that profity, but Papa John's it
Speaker 1: just seemed different. It seems like they think they're onto something.
Speaker 1: It's also something they seem to be serving it in
Speaker 1: a lean cuisine frozen dinner dish, which is also I
Speaker 1: just feel like gives it a weird vibe, like makes
Speaker 1: me remember the least happy meals of my life, and
Speaker 1: that I think that's what is making a stick out
Speaker 1: of They are publicizing something that should be a dark
Speaker 1: secret if they want to, Like, you know, some of
Speaker 1: our dads made us that because they didn't want to cook.
Speaker 1: Form like a lot of trauma. And these balls really
Speaker 1: for me to come to struggling single Dad's pizza. So
Speaker 1: that it is a question I had is why are
Speaker 1: they publicizing this? Why not just making it another option?
Speaker 1: It looks like ship so you wouldn't want to like plastic.
Speaker 1: But people think that the widespread internet mockery may be
Speaker 1: good for business. Giving the bulls free publicity makes sense
Speaker 1: because I feel like the flow has been people who
Speaker 1: don't eat low carb go what the fund is this?
Speaker 1: And every person who does goes hold on. I would
Speaker 1: eat they're like when you go, you'll me and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh ship, Yeah, they're polarizing. Yeah, it's creating news. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Smart marketing. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: this is the forward party of fast food offerings, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because it gets people talking. If
Speaker 1: you're a low information eater, you're gonna be like, we
Speaker 1: just got a bullet point in these things for these people.
Speaker 1: I think this bowl just need an actually a miracle.
Speaker 1: I think this bowl just needs its milk, and that
Speaker 1: milk should be the garlic sauce they used to come
Speaker 1: with Papa John's pizzas. Wait they don't. They don't come
Speaker 1: with it anymore. Oh maybe they do. I haven't had
Speaker 1: an ordered over a decade. Yeah, it's been a long time. Well, Rath,
Speaker 1: it's been truly a pleasure having you as always. Where
Speaker 1: can people find you? Follow you? All that good stuff?
Speaker 1: Rafael Shimanova on Twitter. Um, I'm starting a podcast with
Speaker 1: a friend, you know, to to quench the desert of
Speaker 1: podcasts out there, you know, with another another podcast besides
Speaker 1: this one. Yeah, they're we're gonna double. We're gonna double
Speaker 1: the podcast out there. You know, those people were serious
Speaker 1: when they said they were making podcasts. But my friend
Speaker 1: Amber Alam and I are doing a thing called here
Speaker 1: for the Ratio, and we're gonna dissect sort of things
Speaker 1: where people got ratio, but try to be like restorative
Speaker 1: and fair and just be like, hey man, why are
Speaker 1: you all biling up on this person? This is all
Speaker 1: a misunderstanding, but also like, oh, yeah, this is a
Speaker 1: terrible person. We should we should buile them with them more.
Speaker 1: But there's generally like this exciting idea about just going
Speaker 1: deep with these with these intern dramas. That sounds amazing.
Speaker 1: And is there a tweet or some of the work
Speaker 1: of social media you've been enjoying, uh social media? Oh yes,
Speaker 1: so I've been loving this Twitter account called union Drip.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, what was it called. It was called
Speaker 1: union Drip if you go there, and they recently they
Speaker 1: basically showcase kind of like good fits, like amazing things
Speaker 1: and right now Chris Smalls from Amazon Labor he's always
Speaker 1: has it. But they also go around the country and
Speaker 1: people suggested them and it's great. But during Labor Day
Speaker 1: they re upped one of these old videos by a
Speaker 1: labor union and I just, oh my god, I wish
Speaker 1: everyone was able to hear it. Oh you're about to
Speaker 1: the classic fucking asked me? Asked me? At is? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Okay, here we go, uh and I'm sure. Look,
Speaker 1: so it's a music video with the song that they've
Speaker 1: no no, it's like a just just watch. So it's
Speaker 1: basically you're going to see a bunch of slice of
Speaker 1: life moments like very just pick yourn of like garbage people, construction,
Speaker 1: you know, sanitation workers, people work at the park, just
Speaker 1: to kind of show you who the people who represent
Speaker 1: who are part of asking me? So this is from
Speaker 1: two I would guess, or like yeah, seventies and your
Speaker 1: way to work, the monster of sitting around with your
Speaker 1: finger up your grass, look around and said, you know
Speaker 1: you're not that wall pass me and the busting the
Speaker 1: bloss where you're doing a lot of ship board you
Speaker 1: pick for granted, example, we pick up your fucking garbage.
Speaker 1: We got boards out there will keep your kids from
Speaker 1: getting one all them. Buy some hard on, plug up
Speaker 1: the walls in the road so you don't funk up
Speaker 1: your car, and we push around a lot of little
Speaker 1: old ladies from Florida out there's zapping rats and roaches
Speaker 1: and making sure your kids, don't drink piss from the
Speaker 1: fucking waters. Fucking lass uh malgamated Federal at the fun
Speaker 1: of me. All I know is we're hard working, tax
Speaker 1: paying people like you. We don't take ship from nobody.
Speaker 1: You got that asshole asks me the fucking un It
Speaker 1: works for you. It's also funny because it sounds like
Speaker 1: the guy from like NPR card Talk right be fucking
Speaker 1: Glo beach beautiful miles. Where can people find you? What
Speaker 1: the tweet you've been enjoying? Find me on Twitter and
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Speaker 1: and if you like reality TV like all I do,
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Speaker 1: podcast I do, was Sophia Alexandra. We see some tweets
Speaker 1: out like first one at Female Redhead tweeted, oh your
Speaker 1: boyfriend's a doctor. Well, my boyfriend is now the coach
Speaker 1: of an imaginary football team for the next four months. Uh.
Speaker 1: One from Alyssa, Alberta's at Astro Alyssa tweeted, some Lord
Speaker 1: of the Rings fans, this is supposed to be medieval Europe.
Speaker 1: Why they're black people? Me, why are their potatoes that
Speaker 1: come on being exchange baby? You can find me on
Speaker 1: Twitter at Jack Underscore. O'Brien, I'm just gonna go with
Speaker 1: the fantasy football one mile. It's just that's that's great.
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Speaker 1: offs the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 1: as well as the song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,
Speaker 1: what song do we think people might know? Oh, you
Speaker 1: might like this track. This feels like very West Coast.
Speaker 1: This is from Mono Polly Mono Slash Polly. You might
Speaker 1: know some of his work from Brain Theater. We've done
Speaker 1: a couple of tracts from them Forget When. But anyway,
Speaker 1: this is from one of the early release the Manifestations
Speaker 1: EPs called needs Deodorant and I guess I bet you
Speaker 1: can guess why this track might need deodorant because it's
Speaker 1: so fucking funky. You don't know what the fund to
Speaker 1: do when you listen to it, and it feels like
Speaker 1: if like ge like, when I listen to this song,
Speaker 1: I picture if there if like Blade Runner took place
Speaker 1: in Compton, because it has like this future like low
Speaker 1: rider like fucking g function going on, but it feels futuristic,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, WHOA. In my mind, I see like
Speaker 1: this like Hood in the Future film. That's so dope. Anyway,
Speaker 1: needs deodorant monopoly well, The Daily Zaus the production of
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