Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season two fifty one,
Speaker 1: Episode four of Daily Like production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's sharing consciousness. It's Thursday, August two, which means
Speaker 1: the day before my cool sister Shannon's birthday. Almost to
Speaker 1: cool Sister Shannon, okay mc shan, shout out to you.
Speaker 1: Also National Banana split Day, National Kiss and Makeup Day,
Speaker 1: National Park Service Founder's Day, National second Hand Wardrobe Day.
Speaker 1: I mean those all work, those all work. I feel
Speaker 1: like you, like I'm not kissing makeup Day is good
Speaker 1: that that like gives people an excuse to do something
Speaker 1: they've been putting off. Yeah, I guess so. And and
Speaker 1: a quarrel today, you know, reach out and love somebody.
Speaker 1: I think that's always good. But I'm not. I gotta
Speaker 1: be honest. I'm not really a big banana splits nan.
Speaker 1: It feels like healthy, I'm serious. I was like, because
Speaker 1: I remember as a kid like banansas are like a
Speaker 1: thing that like it's like go eat your food, eat
Speaker 1: your bananas and stuff. So I was like, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: bananas and stuff. I have. I have like one of
Speaker 1: those potassium allergies. Like where it makes my throat itch.
Speaker 1: Oh doesn't. Yeah, yeah, same with avocado, but I worked
Speaker 1: through the avocado paint like it's it's it's a different thing.
Speaker 1: But like whenever I see a bananas when I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's vegetables on my ice cream. Let's just keep it
Speaker 1: as unhealthy as an asparagus split. Good Sunday that's my
Speaker 1: favorite with an asparagus straw spara shake. Anyways, my name
Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien ak. Yeah, jack Horsemans, yeah, Jack horsemen,
Speaker 1: and I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
Speaker 1: co host Mr Miles. One cast a net into see
Speaker 1: to make the turtles come to me. Three may maybe
Speaker 1: yead a few shockis and if we catch some tuna
Speaker 1: need and four toast yoga Matt Pogey. Five scoop some
Speaker 1: tuna than at cheese. Whenever they say my saying, which
Speaker 1: is done a lord a second? One okay, fighter than
Speaker 1: nightmare giving me Brian McKnight smashing it up with subway tuna. Wow,
Speaker 1: bless you too of Sunday tuna is where that I'm
Speaker 1: assuming I'm assuming you're not ordering two six inches Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's two ft. That's two ft. You are mostly turtle
Speaker 1: at this point. My friend and I love that. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Leonardo, Michael Michelangelo, Donna Tullett, Raphael In Splinter
Speaker 1: in the crew. Damn you can remember all their names. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that was like the real Loki. That was like
Speaker 1: the earliest, like Japanese representation. I saw a TV to
Speaker 1: be honest, it was like turtles. This motherfucker named Rokusaki
Speaker 1: and that's how anyway, So I was like acting like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know those names like in school, but it was anyway,
Speaker 1: shout out them. Well, I'm coming to you from Texas
Speaker 1: Central time Zone. Your future. I'm in the future was
Speaker 1: the future like in Dallas. Invest In cowboy hats would
Speaker 1: be my advice for the future. There was huge in
Speaker 1: the future, very popular. I have not I have not
Speaker 1: bought one, but I'm my cowboy hut. My cowboy hats.
Speaker 1: Stock purchases are are in process process. Yeah. Josie snapped
Speaker 1: a low key picture of somebody at the airport. She
Speaker 1: was like, I'm in Dallas. I got I got to
Speaker 1: Dallas and she snapped a picture and this person was
Speaker 1: wearing four cowboy hats. There's one on top of the
Speaker 1: other was just like I'm finally home. I guess as
Speaker 1: like a stunt or it's like this is how I
Speaker 1: get my four hats through on a flight. Like like,
Speaker 1: I think hats like that are hard to travel with
Speaker 1: because yeah, you can't like fold them up or like
Speaker 1: roll them up, or if you do, you are bad
Speaker 1: at traveling with cowboy hats. So I think that's that's man,
Speaker 1: that's my see, that's my my baseball hat privilege, because
Speaker 1: you could go to like you could get a little
Speaker 1: taste for like nine hats and that fits in a backpack.
Speaker 1: But I'm not out here wearing those big cowboy hats.
Speaker 1: So well, Miles, We are thrilled to be joined in
Speaker 1: our third seat by a professor of Alaska Native Languages
Speaker 1: at the University of Alaska Southeast, an expert of just
Speaker 1: many many things, the host of the new podcast The
Speaker 1: Tongue Unbroken from Anna and Joel's Next Up Initiative. Please
Speaker 1: welcome Dr June Lance Twitch. What's the way you hunt?
Speaker 1: What is happening? Are you sitting in this chair thinking
Speaker 1: about this show? Because I've been listening for a long time,
Speaker 1: so I've I brought lists and lists of things because
Speaker 1: when you're indigenous, sometimes when people open the door like
Speaker 1: I gotta go, I gotta put ship everywhere so that
Speaker 1: we can reserve some spaces for other indigenous people to
Speaker 1: come here. So I got I don't have an A
Speaker 1: k A. I've got plenty of I got quite a
Speaker 1: few indigenous names. I'm very honored to have names like Hayne,
Speaker 1: which is claimed forever from an elder in Testline named
Speaker 1: a NASA hash Sam Johnston, and my my first thing
Speaker 1: it named couldname. But I have two songs. I have
Speaker 1: two songs for A K A. And I thought of
Speaker 1: this one is for the old metal heads who grew
Speaker 1: up in the eighties, a generation X, and so even
Speaker 1: some of the elder millennials might get the reference. And
Speaker 1: then I got kind of a newer one because I
Speaker 1: was get my kids ready for school, and I thought
Speaker 1: I better have something for the people of today. So okay,
Speaker 1: we are not, by the way, we appreciate you looking
Speaker 1: out for us geriatric millennial. Let's go. Okay, here's the
Speaker 1: first one white man came across the sea. He brought
Speaker 1: us pain and Missouri. But what the fuck does this
Speaker 1: song mean? Give the land bag and everything that's an
Speaker 1: old Iron Maiden song and when I was I was
Speaker 1: probably ten when that came out, and I would think,
Speaker 1: what is this And they would have weird video, like
Speaker 1: if you ever watched the video, it's just weird. And
Speaker 1: then they're like, they're these white men who are across
Speaker 1: the sea, singing about white men coming across the sea
Speaker 1: with us in college, and so I thought, of, this
Speaker 1: song is kind of weird. So I was in college
Speaker 1: and I walked past somebody's dorm room and there were
Speaker 1: it was a white guy and he was blasting this
Speaker 1: song and I happen to walk by right when it
Speaker 1: said white man came across the sea, brought his pain
Speaker 1: and misery, and I just kind of looked at him
Speaker 1: and he turned it down. Sorry, And I thought, this
Speaker 1: is a weird situation. And so so here's the second
Speaker 1: one for for the people of today. Okay, Yes, sometimes
Speaker 1: all I think about is colonialism, late nights in the
Speaker 1: middle of colonialism, colonialism being faking this. Uh can I
Speaker 1: just fucking survived? Now? Yeah, what's the wait? What who
Speaker 1: does that song? Now? And thinking glass animals? That's glass animals? Yeah, damn,
Speaker 1: they got so many. Okay, I just know I just
Speaker 1: know that song is being like, that's that song that's
Speaker 1: always on the radio. Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, it really
Speaker 1: blew up. That's how old I am now where I
Speaker 1: used to be like yo, yeah, to think about you
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't know anything else though, Right
Speaker 1: where where are you coming to us from? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: am in a place called quan Any, which somebody decided
Speaker 1: to name after a guy named Joe Juno. And we'll
Speaker 1: talk about this kind of stuff a little bit today.
Speaker 1: Is this is kind of my little narrative of how
Speaker 1: this stuff were. So Quan is the people of the
Speaker 1: little Lake, so I live on their land, and get
Speaker 1: people's are divided kind of into states basically, which are
Speaker 1: usually have a place named so is the little Lake.
Speaker 1: And then Kuon is the ancestral people of a place,
Speaker 1: So I live on their land. I'm very fortunate that
Speaker 1: they're wonderful hosts. My our ancestral homeland is a little
Speaker 1: bit north of here, but it's in southeast Alaska on
Speaker 1: a mathis see. It's called Juno, Alaska. We're trying to
Speaker 1: get people to start using Quan because that guy he
Speaker 1: came here. Sure, but I think it kind of kind
Speaker 1: of works like this. Let's say a long time ago,
Speaker 1: we're all in a boat and work. We're all for
Speaker 1: this scenario where all white people and we're checking out
Speaker 1: these indigenous people's lands. And I'll say, well, I'll go
Speaker 1: over here and talk to them and I'll be right back.
Speaker 1: So I go talk to them, and I say, hey,
Speaker 1: what's that mountain call? And they'll give me a name
Speaker 1: like Cosa Tungent right hands at Rest. And then I'll
Speaker 1: come back and they'll say, hey, what they say. It's
Speaker 1: like they told me that name. That mountain is me.
Speaker 1: That's how I think it works. That's my mountain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that reminds them of me. Yeah, my hands at Rest
Speaker 1: in particular. Yeah. But anyway, but you guys should come visit.
Speaker 1: We got we got whales, bears, we got all kinds
Speaker 1: of cool stuff here. Get a big salmon out of
Speaker 1: out of the waters. Oh yeah, I love that. Just
Speaker 1: reach in, pull it out with your hands like a pick,
Speaker 1: and apples like a bear. Yeah. All right, Well, we
Speaker 1: are going to get to know you a little bit
Speaker 1: better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners
Speaker 1: a couple of things we're talking about. Joe Biden came
Speaker 1: through with the debt cancelation ish like, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: definitely canceling some debt enough that it crashed the funk
Speaker 1: out of the servers of of the websites where people
Speaker 1: can go check that shut out and yeah, it's still
Speaker 1: it's ten thousand, it's ten thousand. It's not. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's what people were hoping for, but it is
Speaker 1: means tested. It is nice, nicely triangulated to not piss
Speaker 1: off the people who donate to him. So we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that. Suproducer Tricia is going to come on and
Speaker 1: talk about using technology for language preservation and revitalization and
Speaker 1: just generally chop it up with about his podcast and
Speaker 1: language preservation, all of that plenty more. But first, who
Speaker 1: we like to ask our guests, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history? Yeah? So, uh, the other day I
Speaker 1: was looking up this raven t shirt by an artist
Speaker 1: named Jennifer Younger whose thing gets. She lives in Sitka, Alaska,
Speaker 1: we called Sheca and I was watching She Hulk Attorney
Speaker 1: at Law, which is fabulous and at the end, the
Speaker 1: Hulk is wearing this shirt with what looks like it
Speaker 1: can get design on it, and I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: wait what and so and then I found then she
Speaker 1: announced it a little bit after the episode premiered, and
Speaker 1: it was super exciting just to see, like just to
Speaker 1: normalize like people wearing some of our stuff. However, like
Speaker 1: our clans are kind of divided into Raven's side and
Speaker 1: then there's another side, which is the Eagle or Wolf side,
Speaker 1: and you marry into the opposite we call them opposite clans.
Speaker 1: And so if he's wearing a Raven and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm my clans and is on the Raven side, So
Speaker 1: then I had to google, well, how old is Mark
Speaker 1: Ruffalo then, because we have these kinship terms like younger brother,
Speaker 1: older brother, and he's older than me, so he could
Speaker 1: now be the Incredible Hunt, which would be the incredible
Speaker 1: older brother of the same clan. And so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to like patent that, and what do you do?
Speaker 1: You mail it to yourself, job picture, mail it to himself.
Speaker 1: Make sure nobody steals that from you. But we're always
Speaker 1: trying to name things like that little Baby Yoda when
Speaker 1: that came out, We're trying to name that for us
Speaker 1: and thinking the first one who named it, like got
Speaker 1: bragging rice for a day. So that's Yoda, Yodi child Yoda.
Speaker 1: So but shout out to Jennifer Younger and her work
Speaker 1: and getting it out there, and to those folks over
Speaker 1: at Marvel putting something and stuff on the hawk. Do
Speaker 1: you know how that happened? Like what the what the
Speaker 1: connection was that that that shirt ended up being on
Speaker 1: the show? Well, I don't know. I had to look
Speaker 1: into it, but I will say he wore two different
Speaker 1: indigenous shirts on on the episode. And I think Mark Ruffalo,
Speaker 1: to his credit, like when the Dakota Access pipeline protests
Speaker 1: were happening, like he went there and like it's something
Speaker 1: like a celebrity doesn't always go and like suffer. You
Speaker 1: don't suffer with the pepper spray and the attacking dogs
Speaker 1: and the spraying getting sprayed with the hose and shop
Speaker 1: you know, fucking rubber bullets. But there were white people
Speaker 1: who went there and did suffer with the indigenous peoples
Speaker 1: who were trying to stop this pipeline development from happening
Speaker 1: on their land, which is going on at the same time.
Speaker 1: This is kind of jumping back a few years same
Speaker 1: time as these white ranchers in Oregon are sort of
Speaker 1: occupying this National Park, and I remember watching the news.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, where's their pepper spray and where's
Speaker 1: their rubber bullets? And you know, I do think one
Speaker 1: of them got killed, which you know, I don't want
Speaker 1: to get killed, but I do when I see stuff
Speaker 1: like that, I just think, you know, white people just
Speaker 1: get a different life. And you know that's no secret.
Speaker 1: The Bundy's is that. I think that's that's right, Bundy
Speaker 1: clan and they just like went and like ship all
Speaker 1: over the that building that they occupied. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: one of them got shopped. But like when you read
Speaker 1: the story, it's like they were pulling a gun out.
Speaker 1: I believe it was pretty uh yeah. Yeah. I got
Speaker 1: a friend here who's in news, and she was talking
Speaker 1: about doing some studies on both sides is um and
Speaker 1: you know, and I was like, well, even like both sides, Like,
Speaker 1: there's more than two sides to anything, right, You're usually
Speaker 1: gonna exclude marginalized people if you just boil it down
Speaker 1: to one side or the other. Right, But like I said,
Speaker 1: but you should look at this thing, because I would
Speaker 1: have my students look at that as I just go,
Speaker 1: go study these two things and tell me what your
Speaker 1: impression is both in terms of how it's being covered,
Speaker 1: where it's being covered, and also just what's going on
Speaker 1: in those places. So but you know, going back like
Speaker 1: he was there, and so that brings some attention to it,
Speaker 1: and that brings you know, a celebrity walk around with
Speaker 1: magnifying glasses on them all the time. So if they
Speaker 1: go and lend themselves towards things that are leaning towards equity,
Speaker 1: then that's usually good thing. Right. Yeah, it are people
Speaker 1: able to like order that T shirt? Yeah, like it's
Speaker 1: it's actually hard. I was just googling, like Mark Ruffalo
Speaker 1: she whole Raven T shirt and it was just a
Speaker 1: bunch of T shirts of Mark Ruffalo as the whole time. Basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and so we want to get to it.
Speaker 1: I think it's Jennifer Younger y O U N G
Speaker 1: E R Raven shirt and that it should pop up.
Speaker 1: It was like Janu, I don't even know how to
Speaker 1: say the company g I N E W. I think
Speaker 1: is the shirt company? Oh yeah, USA dot com. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so good and her stuff is fabulous. She's doing
Speaker 1: all kinds of engraving. We got like amazing artists who
Speaker 1: are up here and it's just great to see their
Speaker 1: work like hitting, you know, and so other things that
Speaker 1: are going on like she because it's amazing. But if
Speaker 1: if you're out there, you should check out reservation Dogs,
Speaker 1: you should check out Rutherford Falls and just to see
Speaker 1: Molly of Dnally. To have like indigenous representation, like we're
Speaker 1: talking a little bit about representation earlier, you folks were
Speaker 1: like with indigenous people's all you had was just these
Speaker 1: buffoons in Bugs Bunny cartoons. And there's actually a Bugs
Speaker 1: Bunny cartoon where there's a documentary called Real Engines and
Speaker 1: and he's up there on a fort and he's shooting
Speaker 1: Native American people's and so he fires his rifle, bang
Speaker 1: bang bang bang, and then he goes one little too
Speaker 1: little three little Indians and then he says, oh, that
Speaker 1: one was a half breed and he erases the chunk
Speaker 1: of it, like and that's children's television, Like that's what
Speaker 1: I grew up with it, like kill them and make
Speaker 1: fun of them while you're doing. And so to be
Speaker 1: in a different era now where you have you know,
Speaker 1: not just like shows that aren't aren't about Native American
Speaker 1: people at all, but feature some native stuff. And then
Speaker 1: you also have native content coming up, likely when we Pray.
Speaker 1: I know someone was here last week with you guys
Speaker 1: kind of shipping on the movie Pray, which is fine.
Speaker 1: I think everyone can have their own opinions. I don't
Speaker 1: want to yuck anybody yucking anybody's yum, but that's my yum.
Speaker 1: Like like I would just say to yuck anybody yucking
Speaker 1: anybody's game. All the films that you could think of
Speaker 1: that have a Native American female as a lead character, right,
Speaker 1: that's not right for sure, And I think that's what's
Speaker 1: really yeah to that point to write with all the
Speaker 1: stuff that's out there, is also kind of a smack
Speaker 1: in the face that Reservation Dogs got snubbed at the
Speaker 1: Emmy's because I we watched the show like this is
Speaker 1: one of the best shows that's come out because they're
Speaker 1: so authentically being like we don't like, we want to
Speaker 1: tell a story from our perspective with our right like
Speaker 1: that's and it gave us something so new and original
Speaker 1: that I was completely immersed in the show. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, how the fund does that not getting nominated, right,
Speaker 1: which is you know, pendulum swings back and forth. I guess, alright,
Speaker 1: we're gonna link off to Jennifer Younger's stuff in the footnotes.
Speaker 1: What is something you think is overrated? I got four
Speaker 1: things because I'll just sit around building lists getting ready
Speaker 1: for us. I feel like you have something in common
Speaker 1: with that guy who got to Texas and put on
Speaker 1: four cowboy hats. He was I got four of these
Speaker 1: to start taking hat o top of the morn. Let's
Speaker 1: do it. So I think I did four, but then
Speaker 1: I'll talk about the last one. So colonialism, the improved
Speaker 1: order of red men mhm, white people telling me where
Speaker 1: I belong and naming the land after white men, and like,
Speaker 1: I know some people are gonna listen to this back,
Speaker 1: Oh he hates white people. It's not true. It's not true.
Speaker 1: But I just think there's a lot of work to do.
Speaker 1: We have thousands and thousands of names on all these
Speaker 1: different points of land, and almost all of them have
Speaker 1: been systemically ignored. So it's looking at this this guy
Speaker 1: named Menden Hall, Right, he's probably a fine person, glacier, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: but he has like a physicist who had he I
Speaker 1: don't even think he ever set foot in this land,
Speaker 1: and he has like like I was picking up this
Speaker 1: thing from a person He's like, yeah, I live on
Speaker 1: There's so many Menden Hall things here that if anybody
Speaker 1: says that you have no idea where to go, it's
Speaker 1: like Mendenhall Glacier, menden Hall Boulevard, Mendenhall Avenue, Menden Hall
Speaker 1: point wrote, menden Hall Flats. And I'm like, what's the deal,
Speaker 1: Like all these places had names, and we can restore
Speaker 1: those names and then people can just speak our language,
Speaker 1: which would be really amazing, right, such as such an
Speaker 1: easy thing to do where suddenly it's like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: just by virtue of this real name, I'm learning a
Speaker 1: language because it's a descriptor and it's not like and
Speaker 1: we celebrate this fucking guy. Glacier. Also the name of
Speaker 1: the most terrifying human I've ever encountered, which was my
Speaker 1: eighth grade basketball coach, had that name. Yeah, man, who
Speaker 1: to ease your trauma. We gotta get that name off
Speaker 1: of Get that name off that damn Glacier. Get it
Speaker 1: out of here. I mean sadly that Glacier may just
Speaker 1: vanish anyway. So what do you think is underrated? So underrated?
Speaker 1: Another list? Number one big anti energy so Native American
Speaker 1: women laughing, teaching you stuff, guiding you that there's so
Speaker 1: many aunties and who were mother figures to me who
Speaker 1: were just incredible and just the big, the big loud cackle. There.
Speaker 1: There's a guy named Don burn Stick who's a Native
Speaker 1: American comedian and he's kind of a bit which is
Speaker 1: the ways that Native American women laugh, and if you
Speaker 1: watch this with Native women like they will laugh that
Speaker 1: which includes punching you towards the end and doing all
Speaker 1: type of stuff. And then my other items were Indigenous languages,
Speaker 1: declonization as life and function, and then like squatting. So
Speaker 1: I've been learning about squatting my whole life, because you know,
Speaker 1: we've got land and we also we've lost almost all
Speaker 1: of our land as Native people. But then sometimes you'll
Speaker 1: see someone who has a spot and you're like, wo,
Speaker 1: how do they get that nice house and that nice
Speaker 1: area and they just like went there and just it's
Speaker 1: called squatting where you just go and live somewhere and
Speaker 1: people can't move you, I guess. So I've been using
Speaker 1: this tactic at our university as we're growing, like this
Speaker 1: Indigenous studies program. So I'll just go grab a bunch
Speaker 1: of my stuff and put it in a different office
Speaker 1: and put it in a different office. And then I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just gonna hold this and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna get someone a job, and then I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: my stuff someday out of the office. And so that
Speaker 1: we were so um I learned how to squat from
Speaker 1: white people, so I can sort of try get our
Speaker 1: land back through. It's like a reverse against them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that work as a as a like in a
Speaker 1: professional setting, he just like occupies someone's office and they're
Speaker 1: just like, well, I don't want to have this conversation.
Speaker 1: So if you're indenous, you can only squat on a
Speaker 1: bend and things that nobody wants. But I'm trying to
Speaker 1: perfect my technique so that I can start. I won't
Speaker 1: be as good as some of these some of these
Speaker 1: folks for that that came here, right, all right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break. We're gonna come back. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about canceling student debt and other stuff. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back and we're back. And the big story
Speaker 1: of the day is the Joe Biden canceled exactly ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars worth of student debt you know, better than nothing.
Speaker 1: I think that'scrat slogan Democrats better than nothing, better than nothing, right,
Speaker 1: better than fascism kind of, uh yeah, palatable fascism. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a good campaign, right, Like we're not
Speaker 1: super racist, but we're also just dead in the middle,
Speaker 1: not really doing anything. Yeah, just we're not totally bothered
Speaker 1: by concerns on the margins. But hey, we're doing the
Speaker 1: best we can. Yeah. I mean, look, it's another day,
Speaker 1: another incremental attempt at solving a massive systemic problem that
Speaker 1: we have in the country, and I'm not doing the
Speaker 1: best they can. They're they're decidedly not doing the best. No, No,
Speaker 1: that's frustrating. No, there's there's so much triangulation going on it,
Speaker 1: like we can't we can't have this group be mad
Speaker 1: and this group be mad if we want to address
Speaker 1: systemic inequality. Okay, well, you know currently in the US,
Speaker 1: obviously we have a terrible go into debt. If you
Speaker 1: want a degree problem with our university system, it's basically like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're in and you're sort of socialized, inoculated
Speaker 1: with these thoughts of like you gotta go to college
Speaker 1: to ender the middle class and then Once you do that,
Speaker 1: you can have a regular consumer life because you have
Speaker 1: your paper degree to give you the good jobs. And
Speaker 1: that leads a lot of people going into pretty massive
Speaker 1: debt because of this, you know, this sort of cycle
Speaker 1: that we have right now. There's about forty four and
Speaker 1: a half million Americans that are dealing with student loan debt,
Speaker 1: and many will feel relief from this. The administration says,
Speaker 1: like a lot of people will have their debt canceled,
Speaker 1: but if you really will, will dig deeper into those
Speaker 1: numbers because it does leave out mostly you know, marginalized people.
Speaker 1: Here's what the build actually does. Student debt payment pause
Speaker 1: is going to be extended through December thirty one. If
Speaker 1: you have if you've got pell grants, you can receive
Speaker 1: up to twenty percent in student debt relief, if you
Speaker 1: ten percent if you did not get pell grants. All
Speaker 1: of the relief is going to be again means tested,
Speaker 1: so it's for individuals who make less than five and
Speaker 1: families who jointly make two fifty thousand. They're also there's
Speaker 1: a thing in the American Rescue Plan that says this
Speaker 1: is not gonna be counted as taxable income. The loan
Speaker 1: forgiveness program applies to federal borrowers from undergraduate and graduate programs,
Speaker 1: and there is like a new repayment structure with a
Speaker 1: cap of like five percent of your income if you
Speaker 1: have undergraduate loans. Sure, okay, those are some things, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people are really looking at this ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollar figure on the right. You just have people
Speaker 1: just piste off in general because they like, don't like
Speaker 1: anything that resembles that an attempt at equally addressing inequality,
Speaker 1: So they're always gonna be piste off. And then there
Speaker 1: are many other people that you see on you know,
Speaker 1: writing op eds. It's like, well, what about the people
Speaker 1: that paid their debts or this isn't what about the
Speaker 1: people who you know, all this stuff. Aren't they going
Speaker 1: to be mad? We're this is this is so terribly unfair.
Speaker 1: But if you're really looking at the issues or the
Speaker 1: whole the way everything is set up is terribly unfair,
Speaker 1: and this is an attempt to try and address that.
Speaker 1: So I think the real concern are that is about
Speaker 1: truly addressing inequality. And just to give you an example,
Speaker 1: black graduates are on average caring about fifty two thousand
Speaker 1: dollars in debt, and many of them are women, and
Speaker 1: the statistics show that relieving debt would be a massive
Speaker 1: step in balancing the scales. Okay, because black and African
Speaker 1: women a back. Black and African American college students owe
Speaker 1: on average of twenty five thousand dollars more in student
Speaker 1: loan debt than white college graduates. So just put that
Speaker 1: in your mind too, and think of that ten thousand
Speaker 1: dollars and if that will actually make things equitable. Four
Speaker 1: years after graduation of black students own average of twelve
Speaker 1: and a half percent more than they borrowed because of
Speaker 1: interest rates. And it isn't just Black Americans, American, Indian
Speaker 1: and Alaska Native students. Those borrowers all the highest monthly
Speaker 1: payments and Black and African American students are the second
Speaker 1: most likely to have monthly payments of three fifty dollars
Speaker 1: or more. And this is also causing things like people
Speaker 1: delaying having families. Thirty three percent of Hispanic student borrows
Speaker 1: say they it off getting married due to their student
Speaker 1: loan situation. Sixty six percent of Black student bars regret
Speaker 1: taking out loans because of the lack of you know,
Speaker 1: mobility they have because they're so saddled with debt. So
Speaker 1: this is a ton of stress on people's shoulders, and
Speaker 1: people are just saying, like, well, can this this does help.
Speaker 1: But if the whole point is to try and say, hey,
Speaker 1: unburden us with this debt, so we can begin to
Speaker 1: live lives that are a little bit seem seemingly more equitable,
Speaker 1: do something that really addresses this. And I think that
Speaker 1: even the interest, doing something about the interest would be
Speaker 1: a huge, huge step. But that's just still kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, floundering. So I guess if we can feel
Speaker 1: good about this if we say, hey, this is a
Speaker 1: first step on a long road to really address really
Speaker 1: like deliver real results for people. But if this is
Speaker 1: just gonna be a hey, vote for me in November
Speaker 1: type deal, this is this is a terrible, terrible misstep
Speaker 1: and it's only gonna you know, we're just kicking the
Speaker 1: can down the road. At this point, presented as a
Speaker 1: first step, was he like, and this is step one
Speaker 1: on a long term thing, because but there was no
Speaker 1: well defined thing, you know, much like how people were
Speaker 1: talking about the Inflation Reduction Act and the climate stuff
Speaker 1: that was addressed in there were like many of the
Speaker 1: people like a lot of I think the more progressives
Speaker 1: are like, hey, you gotta support this because it is
Speaker 1: the first step. I think many people who are critical
Speaker 1: of this bill, like you know other senators, are like,
Speaker 1: this has to be a first step. If you want
Speaker 1: to know how much more powerful capitalism is then democracy,
Speaker 1: like the we are looking out for debt collectors, like
Speaker 1: who don't pull very well? Yeah don't. They don't pull
Speaker 1: very well when you're looking at like democratically, you know
Speaker 1: the opinion polls. Debt collectors don't don't pull that well.
Speaker 1: But we are looking out for them and ignoring just
Speaker 1: the majority of people. We're ignoring a step that would
Speaker 1: make our civilization, like demonstrably would make our civilization work better. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think you're looking at a band aid to
Speaker 1: a systemic problem, and a band aid is something like
Speaker 1: if you're bleeding out and someone gives you a band aid,
Speaker 1: you're like, well, that's something. So I appreciate the thought
Speaker 1: for my sliced carotid artery. Do yes, something more than
Speaker 1: a bandage? I mean, thanks for sure. And they could
Speaker 1: have called it the payback better plan or the better
Speaker 1: payback and so, but I think it's a it's a start.
Speaker 1: I think the systemic problems are we have an inequitable
Speaker 1: system of like how people get money and maintain wealth
Speaker 1: and who gets access to it, and so the best
Speaker 1: schools are very expensive. And so the other thing is
Speaker 1: like if you if you want to get an education,
Speaker 1: you've got to figure out how to enter into these
Speaker 1: loan systems that are predatory by nature. So I think
Speaker 1: I I had a loan through the State of Alaska,
Speaker 1: which wasn't a whole lot of money because I had
Speaker 1: federal loans and federal grants and stuff, and I paid
Speaker 1: those back and I had to get others. You know,
Speaker 1: I still have student loan out there. I know people
Speaker 1: who have so much in student loans like this would
Speaker 1: be probably maybe of what they owe and so they're
Speaker 1: still going to have that. And so but with the state,
Speaker 1: the state loan that I had, I paid that thing
Speaker 1: for probably ten years and it never went down. So
Speaker 1: I don't understand, like, why is there even interest involved
Speaker 1: with this. If you want people to get an education, sure,
Speaker 1: loan on the money, but don't be don't put the
Speaker 1: points on there, you know, like the Sopranos or whatever,
Speaker 1: and that at the end, like when I went to college.
Speaker 1: There are all these booths. They're like, hey, get all
Speaker 1: this free stuff. We'll give you a credit card, get this,
Speaker 1: look at this cool ass stuff, and you just here.
Speaker 1: And then I would just spend that money because I
Speaker 1: didn't know how that stuff working, and grow up with
Speaker 1: financial literacy and and so I think one is just
Speaker 1: trying to why don't we just protect our children while
Speaker 1: they become adults and then also just sort of have
Speaker 1: a system where it's a little bit easier to move up. Whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: whoa whoa. No, that's that's not some colonizer mentality. Man.
Speaker 1: We're here to fucking and make as much goddamn money
Speaker 1: as possible. I don't care if I'm exciting people with
Speaker 1: debt because they're financially illiterate. But yeah, that is. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so true, like we we at every turn, the
Speaker 1: United States is just completely incapable of doing what the
Speaker 1: humane thing is without it being without there being some
Speaker 1: calculus about what it does for the business class or
Speaker 1: industry rather than what is the correct thing for the
Speaker 1: human beings that are here. And it's it's so mind
Speaker 1: blowing because the solution seems so easy. Right, we were
Speaker 1: just talking about this with gun control, it's like, we
Speaker 1: don't need less guns, we need more robots and ship
Speaker 1: and fucking drones that have tasers. Tasers are safer than guns.
Speaker 1: At least they're not putting guns on the drone Miles
Speaker 1: well would because the guns going the Boston Dynamics robot dogs.
Speaker 1: And that's yes, it is kind of a wild story
Speaker 1: because again, like you even look at people who work
Speaker 1: in like healthcare and stuff, people need advanced degrees to
Speaker 1: enter public health too. Those jobs don't pay that much either.
Speaker 1: And these are people who are dedicating themselves for like
Speaker 1: a public good, and we're still like, yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: here's here's ten grand. They're like, I still owe seventy
Speaker 1: on top of that, plus the interest, this might as
Speaker 1: well not be anything. We're going with the debt collectors
Speaker 1: over the social workers and like that actually probably isn't
Speaker 1: that unpopular when you when you think of just like
Speaker 1: how fucking warped our our current system is, Like why
Speaker 1: they going to social work doesn't pay that well? Like
Speaker 1: what are they thinking? Right? And you're like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: that's their fault. It's because they're empathetic people who want
Speaker 1: to help. Yeah, and you should fucking you should be
Speaker 1: out with me fracking. If you're killing it right now,
Speaker 1: it's like you're losing the game. Yeah, right, just extract
Speaker 1: until it's gone. Just coming off the ground, man, I retweeted,
Speaker 1: I hope I say her last name. I heard it, Shelby.
Speaker 1: Now we'll let yesterday said just so we are clear,
Speaker 1: I will not be paying my student loans until I
Speaker 1: get my land back. Yeah. Facts, there's it's wild. How
Speaker 1: much again, there're so we look at the deficit that
Speaker 1: indigenous people, black people who are brought over and like
Speaker 1: to do a chattel slavery and things like that, not
Speaker 1: addressing that deficit that was created from any of that
Speaker 1: being dispossessed of your land or your your liberty and
Speaker 1: still looking at it like I don't know what's wrong
Speaker 1: with them over there, Like we don't. We're never we
Speaker 1: never have the sober fucking analysis of like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: this set people back fucking centuries, and we're out here
Speaker 1: like sitting on our hands one like scratching our heads.
Speaker 1: What the issue? You know, what the fucking issue is.
Speaker 1: It's as clear as day. Um, but yeah, it's it's Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very frustrating to live here. Education too, for Native
Speaker 1: American peoples was a tool of assimilation and genocide. And
Speaker 1: so some of the founders of educational systems for Native
Speaker 1: Americans they said, well, I heard this phrase that the
Speaker 1: only good Indian is a dead Indian, and I would
Speaker 1: counter to say, you can kill the Indian and save
Speaker 1: the man, and like, that's a phrase that was coined
Speaker 1: to really sort of energize the boarding school era. You
Speaker 1: had similar things in Canada with the residential school era,
Speaker 1: and so now we need to get an education in
Speaker 1: order to do all these different things. And all I
Speaker 1: think people should get an education, that's what you want
Speaker 1: to do, but it shouldn't cripple you. And also it
Speaker 1: should probably just be free for Native Americans because of
Speaker 1: the educational system and what it's done to two indigenous languages,
Speaker 1: indigenous cultures, and just like you know just how much
Speaker 1: we are typically excluded from everything, education, entertainment, and until
Speaker 1: we get to a point where it feels like we're
Speaker 1: starting to see some equity, it should probably just be
Speaker 1: free for Nave American. I mean, this is kind of
Speaker 1: what's amazing about your podcast, right because man, I, first
Speaker 1: of all, I gotta tall. I was telling you before
Speaker 1: I was, I was like overcome with emotion listening to
Speaker 1: your podcast The Tongue, I'm broken, and yeah, thinking of
Speaker 1: like what it means for like these colonial forces to
Speaker 1: come or people taking you away from your land to
Speaker 1: to like work this other place. You can see you're
Speaker 1: the thrust of it is saying like I don't want
Speaker 1: to allow this to completely erase who we are, what
Speaker 1: what our history is, our languages, and it really puts
Speaker 1: into context how delicate those things are and how quickly
Speaker 1: we lose sight of things vanishing before our eyes like
Speaker 1: that without any consideration, like the process that it goes through.
Speaker 1: And there's a there's a moment in that first episode
Speaker 1: where you're speaking to your kids, and I was, I
Speaker 1: got really overcome with emotion listening to that, because it
Speaker 1: was I can hear from in your voice how important
Speaker 1: it is to you that the that none of this
Speaker 1: is in vain. You know that that you that your
Speaker 1: your your your history and your languages are not are
Speaker 1: not erased, and even you can hear it that what
Speaker 1: you've transmitted to your children and the importance of understanding
Speaker 1: who you are and what that can offer to other people,
Speaker 1: and I think that's so beautiful. And I really just
Speaker 1: I felt that as somebody who like speaks two languages,
Speaker 1: and I think about how much as a kid, I
Speaker 1: would hear Japanese and be excited to be like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: that's someone I speak that too. That's something I can
Speaker 1: connect with. And and even like other guests you've had
Speaker 1: where they're speaking with people in Cherokee and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's how my grandfather said something, there's so much. There's
Speaker 1: so much. I realized to even with something that seems
Speaker 1: so specific, it's it's so easy to connect to this
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I just I just sort of
Speaker 1: that was my very uh, glowing way of trying to
Speaker 1: transition to talking about your podcast, because I think it
Speaker 1: really is fantastic and I really are like the listeners
Speaker 1: to check it out because it's really amazing. Beca, it's cheeze. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We our language is probably down to about forties speakers
Speaker 1: tend that I would consider master level speakers that they're
Speaker 1: probably irreplaceable at this point. And we we actually we
Speaker 1: just lost one yesterday. Her name is check Club, I
Speaker 1: mean key, and she was beautiful, Like it's so amazing
Speaker 1: when you do this work that like a whole library
Speaker 1: burns down and nobody really knows. But what I try
Speaker 1: to do is to connect with their students and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: this this is gonna be one of the harder parts
Speaker 1: is you're going to learn this language. You're gonna start
Speaker 1: speaking to these older people, and you're going to be
Speaker 1: one of the few people on earth who can understand them.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna share a whole bunch of stuff with
Speaker 1: you that they don't have anyone else to share it with.
Speaker 1: And then you're gonna lose them. But what you have
Speaker 1: to understand is you are now the bridge. You are
Speaker 1: becoming the bridge between them and the future generations. And
Speaker 1: I've got friends who are raising their kids in our language,
Speaker 1: but we probably went sixty years without raising kids in
Speaker 1: our language, and so we had to figure out how
Speaker 1: to do that again. And for a lot of Native
Speaker 1: American languages and native Native American cultures, like I just
Speaker 1: really want people to know that this is a thing.
Speaker 1: We're here, We've been here, we will be here, and
Speaker 1: like we're trying to tell stories about succeeding despite this
Speaker 1: huge genocidal effort, like probably the largest in the world.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not a bragging thing, but just to say, like,
Speaker 1: we've overcome all of this stuff and despite all these
Speaker 1: systemic efforts to completely annihilate us, we're right here. We're speaking,
Speaker 1: and we have kids and they can learn, and we
Speaker 1: have adults who can learn, and we can build programs
Speaker 1: and and so I'm just trying to find other people
Speaker 1: who I could talk to about this stuff. And I
Speaker 1: just talked to Ray taken Alive, who's Lakota, and talking
Speaker 1: about what's going on with their language and how someone
Speaker 1: kind of tried to steal it from them and sell
Speaker 1: it back to them, and and so like there's all
Speaker 1: these wild stories that I think people should know, because
Speaker 1: wherever you live in North America, there's probably a language
Speaker 1: right where you live that's in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 1: And then if we just think about it, and if
Speaker 1: we just think, what can we do? I think colonization
Speaker 1: de dehumanizes indigenous people's intentionally, but I think it also
Speaker 1: dehumanizes the colonizer because you're just not supposed to do
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, And the act of decolonization rehumanizes everybody,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a better narrative than this one of
Speaker 1: westward expansion and manifest destiny and all this other garbage
Speaker 1: that was kind of invented to keep the momentum going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you mentioning your conversation with Ray taking alive the the
Speaker 1: this idea that colonialism makes you I think everything has
Speaker 1: already happened, I think is how you put it. Like
Speaker 1: it really resonated with me as somebody who was like
Speaker 1: you know, educated in the United States like public school system,
Speaker 1: and just this idea that like everything was settled law basically,
Speaker 1: and that this was like, you know, we're on this
Speaker 1: progressive march of like western expansion, the Western world is
Speaker 1: as good as it's ever been, and we'd already figured
Speaker 1: we've already like figured everything out basically was like kind
Speaker 1: of part of the story. And then my continuing education
Speaker 1: like has been a process of unlearned all that ship
Speaker 1: and your podcast has been you know, a huge, a
Speaker 1: huge help in that department. But I the more I've
Speaker 1: un learned that stuff, the more I can recognize how
Speaker 1: soul damaging, like the the assumptions, the core assumptions of
Speaker 1: like the colonialism are like just in terms of like
Speaker 1: how you interact, how I interact with the world around
Speaker 1: me and am like turned off to it and think
Speaker 1: that things are settled and like that these horrifying realities
Speaker 1: that we we live around her are necessary, you know,
Speaker 1: as opposed to a bad, you know, consequence of like
Speaker 1: a particularly nasty eddie of human history that like just
Speaker 1: looks like the status quo because we're living with the
Speaker 1: world of history and culture written by colonizers. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think overcoming the great denial it's is a major
Speaker 1: part of it, because I think colonialism also sells you
Speaker 1: this idea like if it's not this, it's chaos. Before
Speaker 1: we came here, we're eating each other. They didn't love
Speaker 1: their children, and it was just you know, and I
Speaker 1: think it's it's also just total lies. Like they were
Speaker 1: very sophisticated and rich. Things like we have so many
Speaker 1: people who came among us and said, your language is
Speaker 1: so simple, and I'm like, you can't even talk it.
Speaker 1: You're like, it's there's so much to this language, and
Speaker 1: there's so much. I was in Hawaii in a setting
Speaker 1: Hawaiian and and uh, I was sitting with someone at
Speaker 1: a bar, and I left and I came back, and
Speaker 1: then someone else sat next to them, was talking to them,
Speaker 1: and we're saying, you know, Hawaiian is such an easy language,
Speaker 1: like he learned it like a weekend, you know. So
Speaker 1: I said to him, Oh, you know Hawaiian. That's really cool.
Speaker 1: We should speak Hawaiian. I'm learning Hawaiian, you know. And
Speaker 1: he says, oh, no, I don't. I don't know Hawaiian.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, well, you must know Hawaiian because you
Speaker 1: said how easy it is to speak Hawaiian. So you've
Speaker 1: got to know it in order to know that, right,
Speaker 1: And you know. So, I think but one of the
Speaker 1: things that I want people to know, and I think
Speaker 1: everybody should know through the educational system, if we can
Speaker 1: reform this big, ugly thing. It's like to actually do
Speaker 1: this work and to look at this stuff that's not
Speaker 1: the scary part that like, if you can learn indigenous
Speaker 1: language and speak it, there's so much fun and loving
Speaker 1: stuff that that happens, and it's funny and it's it
Speaker 1: feels good. But to just ignore it and to let
Speaker 1: them die, which I think is sort of the myth
Speaker 1: of modernity, in the myth of cultural hegemony, is like, well,
Speaker 1: it's well, it would have been nice to do something,
Speaker 1: but we can't do anything now. But I think that's
Speaker 1: the system trying to sort of convince you to just
Speaker 1: let it happen. But you don't have to because it's
Speaker 1: a choice and we can make a better choice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's assumption that like things like it's just settled and
Speaker 1: just accepted as they are, like you're saying, it can
Speaker 1: evenly to people who do have backgrounds that are like
Speaker 1: originate from outside the US, saying well, I'm just American now,
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm here because this happens to a
Speaker 1: lot of kids with immigrant parents. They might tell you
Speaker 1: a lot, or they might not tell you much about
Speaker 1: where you come from. I was very blessed that be
Speaker 1: like told like you're like this is Japanese or speaking Japanese,
Speaker 1: and I had the benefit of having enough media around
Speaker 1: that's in Japanese that I could learn my own language
Speaker 1: very easily, and even listening to your show, I'm like,
Speaker 1: damn man, Like so many of these opportunities are not
Speaker 1: available to many other cultures because of this like systemic
Speaker 1: erasure of it and it it yeah really like really
Speaker 1: has me thinking so much about how much more I
Speaker 1: can know myself or my own history because especially with
Speaker 1: even being like you know black and my grandparents coming
Speaker 1: from the Southeast, Like I know that one of my
Speaker 1: great great great grandmothers was I believe married to a
Speaker 1: Cherokee man, and but then that was gone, like that's
Speaker 1: just a it's a picture and a memory, and then
Speaker 1: nobody talked about it, and then that it took years
Speaker 1: for me to even know anything like that about myself.
Speaker 1: And it's wild, how yeah, how how even how we
Speaker 1: just even in our own lives will be like yeah,
Speaker 1: well that happened, and I'm here now. But there is
Speaker 1: a process of like reclaiming and re understand actually relearning
Speaker 1: your history that you you're sort of resurrecting. Well, we
Speaker 1: got two people that I know that can speak Japanese
Speaker 1: already and then learned thing gets so you could be
Speaker 1: number three and the jack you could. You can learn
Speaker 1: thing it to you guys, come here, we'll look at bears,
Speaker 1: will learn thing it. So there's all the good jokes
Speaker 1: and thinking, there's all this funny stuff like hey, I
Speaker 1: want to get punched because she's laughing so hard. Yeah
Speaker 1: right there, I'm like a big laughs to count me in, right,
Speaker 1: that happened to me one time, Like you know, someone
Speaker 1: teasing someone and then she punched me. I was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't even say the thing is laughing while she
Speaker 1: knew it was coming. All right, we are going to
Speaker 1: take a quick break and then we're gonna be joined
Speaker 1: by super producer Tricia to talk about how technology can
Speaker 1: be used in the effort to preserve and revitalize and
Speaker 1: some of the languages that you're talking about on your show.
Speaker 1: So we'll be right back. And we're back, and we
Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined by super producer Tricia mccourgee. Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: how's your phone? First of all, that's how what I was.
Speaker 1: It is still with me, Jack, but it is disintegrating. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: there's like those weird streaks coming in from the corners.
Speaker 1: So it's haunted. Your your phone is haunted and trying
Speaker 1: to leave this plan of existence. So Tricia is bringing
Speaker 1: you You're bringing us a story about how we can
Speaker 1: use technology for some of the things that I talks
Speaker 1: about in his show. And and also just to add
Speaker 1: to the conversation we're just having. Yeah, thank you for
Speaker 1: having me. And I'm just so happy to be here
Speaker 1: and be talking about language with I was listening to
Speaker 1: your podcast the past couple of weeks, and it is
Speaker 1: incredible and just like Myles said, definitely got a little
Speaker 1: teary eyed. Um. Yeah, I was just thinking about how
Speaker 1: in the end of the first episode, when you're talking
Speaker 1: with your kids and they know, I mean, obviously they're
Speaker 1: pretty young, but they know that their language is something
Speaker 1: that's important to them, something that's been disappearing and been
Speaker 1: taken away and been kind of stolen and erased. Um.
Speaker 1: And I also, I mean, I didn't speak English until
Speaker 1: I was five. I spoke Bangla, but I've complete You've
Speaker 1: forgotten so much of it. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: read it write. So now it's like I'm in my
Speaker 1: twenties and I'm trying to relearn and re teach myself
Speaker 1: all these things, which is so much more difficult than
Speaker 1: just knowing it in the first place. Yeah. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: we we talked about this kind of stuff too, because
Speaker 1: I think if if children grow up with the language,
Speaker 1: like they learn it really fast and then they sort
Speaker 1: of start to level off, and if it don't start learning,
Speaker 1: they learned pretty slow typically and then sort of take off.
Speaker 1: And so we one is, as we're sort of building
Speaker 1: these environments where kids can be raised in the language,
Speaker 1: Like right after this, I'm going to our language next
Speaker 1: to go work with kids. You know. So it's funny
Speaker 1: because sometimes we're working with the kids and kids can
Speaker 1: just be handful. Sometimes these kids are gonna kill this
Speaker 1: language because they're so tough. But I'm just kidding. I
Speaker 1: love They're so fun. They're so funny, and you know,
Speaker 1: like my kids, they make jokes all the time, like
Speaker 1: if you spoke toling kids like you catch my no out.
Speaker 1: I was like, I said, and playing it? What do
Speaker 1: you know about fling it? And she says, but you know,
Speaker 1: so of course she says that right resonates with me.
Speaker 1: We got all the far jokes, all the other things right,
Speaker 1: and they're really fun. But the other thing is like
Speaker 1: we do have adults who have a tremendous amount of trauma,
Speaker 1: and I think people who sometimes come here to the
Speaker 1: United States can relate to this, Like sometimes your parents
Speaker 1: will stop speaking to you to protect you just so
Speaker 1: you don't have an accent, and people don't you know,
Speaker 1: people are just mean. And also they'll put you in
Speaker 1: the s L classes. I have a friend he was
Speaker 1: He's Korean and they just they put him in the
Speaker 1: s L because he's Korean, Like he spoke English just fine.
Speaker 1: And so there's these, you know, stigmas that are out there.
Speaker 1: But and for Native Americans, like when when folks went
Speaker 1: to boarding school, they were tortured, they put chemicals and
Speaker 1: kids mouths. They they had them put their tongues on
Speaker 1: the frozen flagpoles like there, picking them up by their hair,
Speaker 1: doing like such horrible stuff that a lot of folks
Speaker 1: as they became parents. So I got to make sure
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen to my kids. And then as you
Speaker 1: grow up, like you, you're denied this stuff that is
Speaker 1: actually essential for your survival. So sometimes coming back to
Speaker 1: the language, it's not just the difficulty of learning a language,
Speaker 1: but it's all this other stuff too, is you have
Speaker 1: to heal and reconnect, which is wonderful, but sometimes you've
Speaker 1: got to overcome a lot of pain to do that. Mhm.
Speaker 1: Interesting you were you were looking into like kind of
Speaker 1: the double edged sword that is technology when it when
Speaker 1: it comes to this sort of stuff, right, yeah, exactly. So,
Speaker 1: as I was talking about, I'm relearning Bangla, which is
Speaker 1: my native language, and one thing that I've been doing
Speaker 1: recently to help me is that I downloaded the keyboard
Speaker 1: with the Bengali alphabet, and that just got me thinking
Speaker 1: about how I think the fact that so many people
Speaker 1: around the world have access to technology and the internet
Speaker 1: now it's much it's easy, you know, to think in
Speaker 1: English or to think in Spanish or Mandarin, when these
Speaker 1: are these really big languages that a lot of people
Speaker 1: can use to communicate. Um. I imagine if you're in
Speaker 1: a community without a ton of access to the outside
Speaker 1: world constantly, it would be much easier to just continue
Speaker 1: speaking your native language. But just like we've talked about
Speaker 1: previously in the show, technology has a lot of negative effects.
Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about mental health, we've talked about misinformation.
Speaker 1: But I was kind of just thinking, how can technology
Speaker 1: be used to preserve languages and revitalized languages, And yeah,
Speaker 1: I was curious before I start kind of talking about
Speaker 1: my own research, What are your thoughts about technology? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it can. It can lend itself and in
Speaker 1: so many different ways, like we connect through zoom we
Speaker 1: zoom and a lot of our classes and we have
Speaker 1: been even before the pandemic, Like we're using that because
Speaker 1: we have over sixty sounds in the thing it language
Speaker 1: and if you need to hear the difference between and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like we have so many different sounds that
Speaker 1: all sound the same, but they are distinctively different sounds.
Speaker 1: And and you might be saying, you know, butt hole
Speaker 1: instead of saying something else, right, Or feather and fart
Speaker 1: feather is ont like downy feathers on and a fart
Speaker 1: is flat, and like that's such a those are so
Speaker 1: close together, right, and so we intentionally do you think
Speaker 1: they're intentionally close together because are somewhat soft, and featheries
Speaker 1: well they can kind of kind of float out there
Speaker 1: and come down to the surface. But and and so
Speaker 1: I kind of became obsessed with finding really high fidelity
Speaker 1: so people can hear, because we tried to teach through
Speaker 1: the telephone and it was very difficult because some people
Speaker 1: couldn't even hear the end of a word. And then
Speaker 1: when sometimes things would come out through educational technologies, you'd
Speaker 1: be it sounds like you're listening to some bootleg downloaded
Speaker 1: MP three, you know, just the way it's compressing the audio.
Speaker 1: And so we found that Zoom you could get into
Speaker 1: the options and have it uncompressed audio, and that really helped.
Speaker 1: And then even going back, we've had languages recorded. You know,
Speaker 1: the earliest recordings we have are by the late eighteen
Speaker 1: hundreds early nineteen hundreds, and those are on wax cylinders,
Speaker 1: and we had ones recorded on wires, then real, the real,
Speaker 1: and so we have a lot of documentation of our
Speaker 1: language thanks to technology. And now now the technology is
Speaker 1: in these learning apps. Like there's a group that we
Speaker 1: work with and I'm on the board called seven Thousand
Speaker 1: Languages that they fund raised and they say, if we
Speaker 1: raise enough money, will come in and develop a learning
Speaker 1: app for free, you know, like we will not. We're
Speaker 1: try not to charge anybody. But then sometimes if those
Speaker 1: technologies exist, people be like, well we almost died, but
Speaker 1: then we got Rosetta stoned. So but then but then
Speaker 1: people don't do the work to learn the language and
Speaker 1: to use it, and so you have to it has
Speaker 1: to be the human beings changing their lives, creating that room.
Speaker 1: But I think technology can be as long as it's
Speaker 1: just a tool in the box and it's not it's
Speaker 1: not the car that it's not the self driving car
Speaker 1: that takes you there, right. Yeah, So I was actually
Speaker 1: reading about something that sounds quite similar to what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. It's a website called First Voices. Have you
Speaker 1: heard of it? Yeah? Okay, yeah, So I was just
Speaker 1: going through and I thought it was so awesome. You
Speaker 1: can select a language and see different words, phrases, songs, stories,
Speaker 1: and the alphabet with like pretty high fidelity recordings and
Speaker 1: also so interesting that low quality recordings can just take
Speaker 1: away so much from language. That's something that I didn't
Speaker 1: really think about. And actually, one interesting thing that I
Speaker 1: noticed on that website was because I imagine in many
Speaker 1: realms technology is can be exploited, and as much as
Speaker 1: we want to preserve indigenous languages, we don't want them
Speaker 1: to be exploited. So I thought it was this really
Speaker 1: cool feature where each tribes archive has an administrator who
Speaker 1: can make certain recordings private so that only members of
Speaker 1: that community can access them. So they do this for
Speaker 1: things like prayers or sacred songs, so that only the
Speaker 1: people who are supposed to listen to them can but
Speaker 1: they're still preserved and documented, and so yeah, I was wondering, like,
Speaker 1: what do you think in terms of privacy or technology
Speaker 1: being used, you know, can it can it harm indigenous
Speaker 1: or native communities if we don't know enough about that
Speaker 1: their actual priorities and interests. Well, I think I'm always
Speaker 1: nervous about being exploited because it just tends, it just
Speaker 1: tends to happen, right, And so this raven shirt that
Speaker 1: was on the whole, like, they'll probably be fifty copies
Speaker 1: of it made by you know, non indigenous people's yet tomorrow, right,
Speaker 1: and and so that that tends to happen. But and
Speaker 1: we have these conversations too, because there's these databases. One
Speaker 1: I think it's called more Cut I might have said
Speaker 1: that wrong, but where basically you can set access level,
Speaker 1: so if you're of the clan, you can have access
Speaker 1: to a whole bunch more information. And we have conversations
Speaker 1: like that as well, where before not everything was for everybody,
Speaker 1: But then you also have a language that's really close
Speaker 1: got close to death, and as we try to sort
Speaker 1: of push the language everywhere, sometimes we have to have
Speaker 1: conversations about, well, maybe it is for everybody now, but
Speaker 1: you just you don't translate it because you've got full encryption,
Speaker 1: like Plankett is fully encrypted. And so we had co
Speaker 1: talkers who were in World War Two, and you know,
Speaker 1: people couldn't of course you couldn't understand what they're saying, right,
Speaker 1: and so, but I think as we sort of look
Speaker 1: at those things to just store information make it accessible
Speaker 1: for me, I always want to say, like what's going
Speaker 1: to get people to it, and what's how can we
Speaker 1: remove any barriers? So, like we fought for a number
Speaker 1: of years at the University of Alaska Southeast to say,
Speaker 1: can't we just make these classes a free option, Like
Speaker 1: if you want to learn your indigenous language, why do
Speaker 1: you got to pay the state of Alaska? Why do
Speaker 1: you gotta pay tuition? And so we we started supplementing
Speaker 1: that with lots of scholarships for Indigenous people. So, and
Speaker 1: then we just said, if you don't want the college credit,
Speaker 1: you could just join us. It's free. You could just
Speaker 1: check it out and just just try and create these
Speaker 1: safe spaces for learning, these safe spaces for using. So
Speaker 1: I think it can be good. And then you can
Speaker 1: have maybe information that's pretty sensitive because if we just
Speaker 1: told you in English, like where one of our medicine
Speaker 1: people were buried, some would go and dig them up
Speaker 1: and steal all the stuff. That's just what happens to us.
Speaker 1: Like I was in his training, and this is Banana's
Speaker 1: so as in this training called the Native American Graves
Speaker 1: and Protection Act. And this guy said, there's about two
Speaker 1: million Native Americans today. This is twenty years ago. And
Speaker 1: there are more Native American human remains in colleges and
Speaker 1: universities and museums then there are walking the earth today.
Speaker 1: And I said, can you repeat that, because I don't
Speaker 1: think it's not registering in my brain, and so he did.
Speaker 1: And so for for me, like everything that you could
Speaker 1: conceive of has been taken from us, and so I
Speaker 1: think what's important is technology and money and then totally
Speaker 1: reforming education. And I think the reform that I could
Speaker 1: imagine because like if you live in Alaska and you
Speaker 1: want to graduate high school, you gotta take one semester
Speaker 1: of Alaska Native language. You just you just have to
Speaker 1: do it. And so for me, I think I think
Speaker 1: the technology can certainly help. I think sometimes we'll chase
Speaker 1: the technology and it was sunset and then we'll lose,
Speaker 1: Like we had a bunch of stuff that was in
Speaker 1: flash and we can't do anything with you. You can
Speaker 1: watch it now, but you can't really do anything with it,
Speaker 1: like as far as an interactive platform anymore. R Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I think when I was growing up and fascinated
Speaker 1: to learn of the Native American civilizations that we're here
Speaker 1: before colonialization, the narrative I always heard was, but Native
Speaker 1: American civilizations were like an oral tradition, so like we
Speaker 1: don't have any of like we don't have like their
Speaker 1: records basically, and like the the degree to which that's
Speaker 1: not true, and that there's an entire galaxy of like
Speaker 1: unstudied philosophy and literature from the history of indigenous tribes
Speaker 1: that like goes untouched or unexplored. Just be be cause
Speaker 1: like to your point earlier about the language is not
Speaker 1: being used but being usable and translatable like that that
Speaker 1: feels like it should be the growth area of the
Speaker 1: future of academia. Is like there is a whole world
Speaker 1: that is totally that that gave us the many of
Speaker 1: the best ideas of the past five hundred years, like
Speaker 1: many of the ideas that like America today is like
Speaker 1: we came up with this, this is America's like grand tradition,
Speaker 1: and we came up with democracy and like all these
Speaker 1: all the different like the the way that the checks
Speaker 1: and balances work and the contradictions of American government is like, no,
Speaker 1: that ship, you stole that from indigenous and native tribal
Speaker 1: societies and then like just tried to bury them and
Speaker 1: tried to bury that reality. And like the the fact
Speaker 1: that it just sits there and is unstudied as like
Speaker 1: it I gets. I don't know how academia like reconciles
Speaker 1: that other than to just ignore the funk out of it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got. I got a friend named Mike Navarro and
Speaker 1: and we both work at the university, and I always
Speaker 1: call him Dave Navarro like in meetings, which is so
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, how damn it? Well, he and
Speaker 1: I are writing a paper about this, saying like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's not too late for science to decolonize itself because science, sciences,
Speaker 1: and mathematics in America are super colonial by just excluding people.
Speaker 1: And so you've got centuries where they could have been
Speaker 1: learning so much like we've been fishing and cutting fish
Speaker 1: right here since they were mammoths walking around, like we
Speaker 1: were walking around with them, speaking our same language, doing
Speaker 1: our same stuff, you know. And so with with that
Speaker 1: unbroken chain of knowledge like that would be coming into
Speaker 1: science in ways that doesn't threaten it. Like, so I
Speaker 1: had a Dean, who was not a good person to
Speaker 1: work with, and and he said, indigenous ecological knowledge is
Speaker 1: a threat to natural sciences, And I said, what the
Speaker 1: hell are you talking about? Like this is all additive stuff.
Speaker 1: It's not a one thing or the other, and it's
Speaker 1: not ecological knowledge, it's just indigenous science. Like we have
Speaker 1: science too, we have knowledge, we have all this stuff.
Speaker 1: But I think it freaks him out because we'll say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: well this guy got turned into a salmon and he
Speaker 1: was a salmon for a year and he came back
Speaker 1: and that's how we know this stuff. And that's just
Speaker 1: not acceptable for them, right right, Yeah, underscores that mindset too.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, this is the one true thing. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, maybe you've been looking at it for
Speaker 1: a long time either, But that's a threat to my
Speaker 1: like supremacy ideology where I know everything, so please, Like
Speaker 1: it's it's such a transparent way to say that it's
Speaker 1: actually a threat to that, Like I'm sorry, how because
Speaker 1: then it because I feel fred it hapens the idea
Speaker 1: that we know everything right and we're rightfully where we
Speaker 1: are because of that and not because we're stealing ideas.
Speaker 1: And then absconding with them back to Europe. Like, I
Speaker 1: thought of something interesting when I was in word. Actually,
Speaker 1: let me write this down. Yeah, I was kind of curious, um,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of linguistic theories out there. One
Speaker 1: of them is that the language you speak determines how
Speaker 1: you see the world. And I was wondering when, like,
Speaker 1: can you tell us about some of the ways that
Speaker 1: speaking to get changes how you perhaps see the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a really interesting question. As when I was studying
Speaker 1: in Hawaii and I was learning Hawaiian and us speaking
Speaker 1: with a guy who's tomorrow from Guama seems tin pungy
Speaker 1: and this friend of mine day Hooe who's mohawk, and
Speaker 1: and I was asked myself, when you speak your own language,
Speaker 1: when speak a different language, are you from person? And
Speaker 1: we all had to think about that for a while,
Speaker 1: and most people said, well, I'm the same person, but
Speaker 1: I think differently. And so I noticed as I started
Speaker 1: to learn more and more than get like if I
Speaker 1: get really mad at a friend of mine, I would
Speaker 1: speak to them and think it first, even if they
Speaker 1: didn't understand it. Then I would say I need to
Speaker 1: ground myself in my language for a second. Before I
Speaker 1: talk to you about why I'm mad that we got
Speaker 1: in a fight while we're playing basketball, or it's just
Speaker 1: like weird things, you know. But then when you can
Speaker 1: talk to these elders and uh, for some of them,
Speaker 1: they're kind of on their deathbed and we're sending videos
Speaker 1: back and forth to each other through their family members,
Speaker 1: and like just this idea, like we can share stuff
Speaker 1: that it might be impossible to actually translate the impact
Speaker 1: of this stuff, and then we can sort of there's
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of concepts, like just concept after the
Speaker 1: concept that I think doesn't always translate because we're not
Speaker 1: just saying the same thing in a different language. We're
Speaker 1: touching base with with the these different realities and these
Speaker 1: different things. And then I had an uncle who was
Speaker 1: his name was co Plaine Paul Jackson, and his name
Speaker 1: certainly sounds like big rabbit. But he get mad if
Speaker 1: I said, is that big rabbit? He get doctor rabbit
Speaker 1: and it sounds like But he was a wonderful teacher,
Speaker 1: but he would get mad if I wrote stuff down,
Speaker 1: because I would write down. I write down everything I hear.
Speaker 1: I just carry these notebooks and I just I would
Speaker 1: just go to the elders and talk to them and
Speaker 1: just write down everything and try and like put these
Speaker 1: pieces together because I felt an urgency to learn as
Speaker 1: much as I can so I can teach it to people.
Speaker 1: And he said, stop writing it down. Your your brain
Speaker 1: is gonna get weak. And then there was an an
Speaker 1: elder who was quite con which is a nation that's
Speaker 1: north of us, and she said, you know people used
Speaker 1: Her name is Katherine Atla. She said, people said that
Speaker 1: we were inferior because we didn't write things down. But
Speaker 1: I could tell you a story that takes ten days
Speaker 1: to tell and and you would have to read that
Speaker 1: story because you can't remember that amount of information anymore.
Speaker 1: And so it was also sort of challenging those types
Speaker 1: of things. And so I think yes, because as you learn,
Speaker 1: cling get it. Also it just unlocked some stuff on
Speaker 1: the land, like if a language has been in one
Speaker 1: place for over fifteen thousand years, like it is embedded
Speaker 1: in the landscape. Like we had a bear that chased
Speaker 1: us off a couple of years ago while we're smoking fish,
Speaker 1: and there are three of us there and we're all
Speaker 1: working on the fish without chasing the sliw garage. And
Speaker 1: so I decided to stay and work on the fish
Speaker 1: and just watch it. And hunked the horn us in
Speaker 1: a van like I'm not gonna I'm not going one
Speaker 1: on one with no bear. That's a loose situation. But
Speaker 1: beat the horn and it would take off. And then
Speaker 1: this buddy of mine, his name was Wayne Price, he's
Speaker 1: an amazing carver, and he said, well, uncle Smidty, say,
Speaker 1: if you speak cling get to the bears, they will
Speaker 1: leave you alone. And I said, of course I knew that,
Speaker 1: but the bear scared me and I forgotten silly. So
Speaker 1: then not even ten minutes later, I'm outside, you know,
Speaker 1: getting the smoke going again in the smoke house, and
Speaker 1: that bear comes walking up and I just said to
Speaker 1: it and think it na. So I said, this is
Speaker 1: sn't yours. You know where your food is, it's it's
Speaker 1: in the river. Maybe go to the river, you know, sorry,
Speaker 1: but this is this for us. And the way it
Speaker 1: looked at me and left, I knew it was never
Speaker 1: coming back. And it didn't write. And so we have
Speaker 1: connections to things, and people can be part of those
Speaker 1: connections like you can. You don't have to be a
Speaker 1: colonizing force. You have agency, you have decisions. But you
Speaker 1: also have to push back on these ideas that if
Speaker 1: we do it, something bad is gonna Like I used
Speaker 1: to argue with these politicians. And so we had this
Speaker 1: wonderful wonder a full person named Elizabeth Parachut thinking names.
Speaker 1: She was a pivotal member of an amazing team of
Speaker 1: folks who got an anti discrimination bill passed into seven.
Speaker 1: And so these have signs up that said like no
Speaker 1: Indians allowed and no Indians and dogs allowed, Like you
Speaker 1: could just put that up and your businesses or whatever.
Speaker 1: And so the the reason they passed this laws that
Speaker 1: you couldn't put those signs up. And this one like
Speaker 1: Senator who has a street named after him, He said, right,
Speaker 1: he said, who are you to think you can come
Speaker 1: mingle with us with five thousand years of recorded civilization.
Speaker 1: And then they also said things like if you put
Speaker 1: people together, you're just going to have more racial division
Speaker 1: and more more fighting basically, and then like flash forward
Speaker 1: like seven years later, we're trying to get native language
Speaker 1: is made as the co official languages of Alaska, which
Speaker 1: we did. One of the big arguments of this guy said,
Speaker 1: he said, if you try and make the language is equal,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna have more racial division and fighting. And
Speaker 1: I said, seventy years, you can't even think of a
Speaker 1: new argument that, so yeah, shows just yeah, how how
Speaker 1: abstract or problem racism tries to solve by just being like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, because if there's more equality, it's
Speaker 1: going to be bad. Look, I'm this is already a
Speaker 1: bad faith argument. I'm trying to max. You don't expect
Speaker 1: me to have something better than that ship like where
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, if people know each other
Speaker 1: and get along, they're gonna like fight more makes sense.
Speaker 1: It's one step away from I'm the one who's going
Speaker 1: to be oppressed. No, no, no, no, check the books,
Speaker 1: check the receipts. You're doing all right? But I think
Speaker 1: this again. I really want to urge listeners to check
Speaker 1: the show out because it, like I said, I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe how touched I was by being completely ignorant about
Speaker 1: the topic, but also realizing how any person who's had
Speaker 1: to move, who who's who's gone from one culture to another,
Speaker 1: has immigrated whatever that these that it's so easy to
Speaker 1: connect to, and also realizing yet to your point of like, man,
Speaker 1: how it is an active process to be like Okay,
Speaker 1: how can I sort of reverse this cycle of colonization
Speaker 1: And it doesn't have to be this like monumental act.
Speaker 1: It can be actually very like very subtle things that
Speaker 1: you're sort of pinning together and you're you're, you're, you're
Speaker 1: doing something much better. Um, So it's it was a yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I gotta say congrats on the show because it's it's true. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for joining us. Yeah, where
Speaker 1: can people find you? Follow you here? More about you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well can she's Uh, folks would really check out Beauty
Speaker 1: Translated Black Fat FM and Partition as this next up
Speaker 1: initiative has been just so amazing to just see. Then.
Speaker 1: I think there should be four more podcasts I think
Speaker 1: at least coming out and so like just really like
Speaker 1: as we sort of look at voices that have been
Speaker 1: marginalized to start pushing us, nudging us towards the center,
Speaker 1: has just been a wonderful experience. I'm on Facebook to
Speaker 1: stay connected with people, I'm on Twitter trying to make
Speaker 1: jokes and fight with racist people would just come out
Speaker 1: of nowhere and try to like I don't know what
Speaker 1: they're trying to do, but but you can find me
Speaker 1: underd Aniko Danuke or Kune, which I think will probably
Speaker 1: have to link off unless you think that spelling is
Speaker 1: aces than good for you. This is just a pet.
Speaker 1: I guess we had an elder who said a pet
Speaker 1: on the back never heard anybody, so good job spelling
Speaker 1: thing it. And then the tongue unbroken, like there's there's
Speaker 1: a website, there's social media with on Facebook and Twitter
Speaker 1: and Instagram. Also I'm on Instagram too, like I do
Speaker 1: all those things. Ray taking Live is on TikTok. I
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna someday make some TikTok videos, But then
Speaker 1: I feel like you're gonna be like I'm always disconnected,
Speaker 1: Like I'll sing an iron Maid song or Prince learris
Speaker 1: and I'm teaching. These eighteen year olds were like, what
Speaker 1: you know? So whatever, or they'll think you you wrote
Speaker 1: those songs. So is there a tweet or some of
Speaker 1: the work of social media you've been enjoying? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got too. And so the first one is check out
Speaker 1: everything from Mary Peltola. So she is she won the
Speaker 1: primary in Alaska for a congressional seat, and she's also
Speaker 1: leading the election to replace this kind of Don Young,
Speaker 1: who was super interesting person. He had a meeting with
Speaker 1: like these twitched people and he's talking about their land
Speaker 1: and they don't want anmar and they're they're protesting stuff,
Speaker 1: and he says, you're not the people. I'm the people.
Speaker 1: It's like, alright, white man, I've heard this narrative plenty
Speaker 1: of times, spoken like a true guy who pulls knife
Speaker 1: out to argue with other politicians in true don young fashion, right,
Speaker 1: and like bruises their arms and stuff. Anyway, so uh
Speaker 1: so he yeah, he's gone. But the national headlines was
Speaker 1: like Sarah Palin is in second place, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: of course the stories about a white woman coming in
Speaker 1: second right. And somebody tried to come at me and say, well,
Speaker 1: you just think all natives are liberals and you didn't
Speaker 1: even mention that Sarah Palin's campaign manager is native. I said,
Speaker 1: are you trying to generalize me and indigenize Sarah Palin
Speaker 1: at the same time, because ridiculous Mary Peltola. She could
Speaker 1: be the first Alaska Native woman in Congress, and I
Speaker 1: hope it happens. I think it should happen. Another tweet
Speaker 1: they think was great, it's from Autumn a Black Deer
Speaker 1: and she said, I know I've said this before, but
Speaker 1: I'll say it again. Decolonization is not a synonym for diversity, equity,
Speaker 1: or inclusion. There is no decolonial checklist or afternoon training
Speaker 1: that will magically decolonize your syllabus, classroom, or organization as
Speaker 1: a whole. There you go, Super producer Tricia, always wonderful
Speaker 1: having you on the show. Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: Follow you? Here? You all that good stuff? Thank you? Yes,
Speaker 1: it's great to be here. Um. I do not have
Speaker 1: social media, but if you want to listen to more
Speaker 1: of my work, UM, check out People Place Power. It's
Speaker 1: wherever you got your podcasts, and it is about activism
Speaker 1: by women, people of color, people in the global South,
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Speaker 1: There you go, And is there a tweet you've been enjoying?
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Speaker 1: got a head on her shoulders. What do you do? Then?
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Speaker 1: So I am actually in um in Colorado right now
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Speaker 1: there's some beautiful, beautiful mountains outside, So I am enjoying
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Speaker 1: Jessica ob One tweeted a second set of pronouns has
Speaker 1: just hit the Woke Trade Center. Oh caps uh. Then
Speaker 1: another one from Choo Chow Google At Choo Choo Google
Speaker 1: tweeted parenthetical pointing to menu and the todds are they
Speaker 1: tatored in house? And at Ellie Creeman Doll tweeted the
Speaker 1: Biden administration is like and it's a picture of Lucille
Speaker 1: Bluth from Arrested Development and it just says it's one
Speaker 1: student loan Michael, what could it cost ten thousand dollars?
Speaker 1: That's right? Yeah, Anthony Michael Crease tweeted preemptively posting this
Speaker 1: and it's that meme of the trolley experiment with like
Speaker 1: a bunch of people having just been run over by
Speaker 1: the trolley and the person at the switch being like,
Speaker 1: would it be fair to the people the trolley has
Speaker 1: already killed to divert it now ship Yeah and then
Speaker 1: uh and zoo at and zoo is Online tweeted food
Speaker 1: for thought. If the US cut just two percent of
Speaker 1: its annual defense budget, it could afford to construct a
Speaker 1: colossal obsidian sphere in the San Francisco Bay. On top
Speaker 1: of the obvious economic benefits, it would be visible throughout
Speaker 1: all of northern California and emanate an ominous home exclamation
Speaker 1: point and then their photoshops just a giant obsidian sphere
Speaker 1: in the in the Bay. I really truly that. You
Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You
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Speaker 1: Just some Really, it's like if James Taylor was funky
Speaker 1: and Brazilian. This artist Sessa s E S s A
Speaker 1: just there's I don't know, it's like feels folky, but
Speaker 1: it's got rhythm because you know, Brazilian music can't be
Speaker 1: like rhythmless. So this track is called say Hey Yes
Speaker 1: Santi mental and it's by Sessa s E S s
Speaker 1: A uh and check it out. This is it's a
Speaker 1: really dope track and I'm getting into most of his
Speaker 1: other work and it's pretty fantastic. It's Taylor, it's funky
Speaker 1: and Brazilian. Yeah, I don't know how it's described because
Speaker 1: it's like got like if you like Jose Gonzalez, you're
Speaker 1: like June that group, and it's it's very like singer songwriter,
Speaker 1: but it's got like an edge to it. This guy's
Speaker 1: doing it in Portuguese. But also I like the way
Speaker 1: the drums are. They're kind of it's just dope. Just
Speaker 1: check it out. Say Hey es sentimental but it's spelled
Speaker 1: s E r E I A and then sentimental. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that I had to lean into that Portuguese. Here
Speaker 1: you go. All right, we'll go check that out. The
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