Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to forty four,
Speaker 1: Episode four of Jared Days Like Guys Stay, production of
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take
Speaker 1: a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Friday,
Speaker 1: July eight. My name is Jack O'Brien a k if
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Speaker 1: energy drained, that is Christie. I'm Gucci Maine making a
Speaker 1: reference to all the conspiracy theories around what the hay
Speaker 1: drunk colder is doing to us. I think there maybe
Speaker 1: some subtler ones that I wasn't familiar with that I
Speaker 1: caught the ones that was like we've we've been plunged
Speaker 1: into a new portal into Hell, a new portal into Hell.
Speaker 1: I think we already opened one up in But I
Speaker 1: think there's also like energy draining and like keep your
Speaker 1: energy up, keep your vibrations high. I don't know what
Speaker 1: any of that ship means. Thank you, Christie Almagucci Man
Speaker 1: at Wapple House. I am genuinely thrilled to be joined
Speaker 1: by a very special guest co host, the producer behind
Speaker 1: shows like Fake Doctor's Real Friends. Welcome to our show.
Speaker 1: You've heard her on Pop culture, Happy Our read her
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Speaker 1: She is the host and executive producer of comic com
Speaker 1: Meta pod It's the brilliant and talented Joel MONI. What's
Speaker 1: up back? I want to say a special hello to
Speaker 1: the TDZ fan you found me at a union meeting.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you. I'm happy to be the lady voice of
Speaker 1: this podcast, and shout out to your wife. Y'all were beautiful.
Speaker 1: It was really nice. Were you like speaking at it?
Speaker 1: And they came up and found you after they were Yes,
Speaker 1: I was speaking on organizing during a pandemic, and so
Speaker 1: you know, afterwards, people came up to talk about you know,
Speaker 1: organizing principles and x y see. And then because like
Speaker 1: I'm just here as a fan of Daily's like guys,
Speaker 1: and I was like, hell, yes, I found you, love it,
Speaker 1: so that was special. I also wanted to tell you
Speaker 1: that I've I've joined the Macha life. So yeah. Here
Speaker 1: I talked about how I couldn't do espressos anymore. I
Speaker 1: tried to such a tight t my body said that's
Speaker 1: still see much caffeine. So I'm trying grass milk and
Speaker 1: I don't hate it, Grassholk is what you which I
Speaker 1: think is I think it's fair. Let's bring in our
Speaker 1: guest and what and we can talk Macha yes see
Speaker 1: if they have any thoughts and our third see. We
Speaker 1: are thrilled, fortunate, blessed to be joined by an actor, comedian,
Speaker 1: writer who's written for SpongeBob SquarePants, Shrill Fairview, who has
Speaker 1: appeared on Viceland, performed just Everywhere, Just a truly hilarious
Speaker 1: stand up comedian that I am very thrilled to have
Speaker 1: on the show. It is the brilliant and talented Claire
Speaker 1: Okane Macha life, living that mach of life right. I'm
Speaker 1: actively drinking much right now? Are you really? I would
Speaker 1: never lie to you. That's important to me, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to establish that up top because I did not
Speaker 1: believe you when you first said that. We clear that
Speaker 1: we were talking before we got on about homemade versus store.
Speaker 1: But I've been doing the store bought situation where I
Speaker 1: just get it at the local cafe. Are you making
Speaker 1: years at home? Absolutely not. I wouldn't even know where
Speaker 1: to begin to matify my greens. Wouldn't whisk thing. I
Speaker 1: know that. And then there's maybe the water is like
Speaker 1: beautiful and like great in theory, and I was incapable
Speaker 1: of using it to like mix anything because I just
Speaker 1: like don't have the dexterity and like the small hand.
Speaker 1: I don't know I have an intention tremor. It was
Speaker 1: just a mess. And I got at Ralph's like a crow,
Speaker 1: the version of Kroger that we have in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: I got a little like whisk, like electric whisk thing
Speaker 1: that causts like seven dollars battery operated. It's got a
Speaker 1: little whisk on it that like spins around really fast.
Speaker 1: And that made making much a super easy for me.
Speaker 1: I did mention before we started recording that since recommending
Speaker 1: it to you and be like, oh, Joel, you simply
Speaker 1: must start living the match a life. It's so much
Speaker 1: better for you. I have switched back to coffee. I
Speaker 1: went to Guatemala for a couple of weeks, and no
Speaker 1: matter how many people I asked, they would not make
Speaker 1: me a macha latte. And I was just asking everyone.
Speaker 1: I was like, where's the where do I get Where's
Speaker 1: a guy get a nice match a latte around here? Yeah? Exactly, No,
Speaker 1: so and the coffee down there's great. So I went
Speaker 1: back to coffee, and I just haven't done. Like when
Speaker 1: I switched from coffee to macha, I felt like I
Speaker 1: had a flu for a week because of the caffeine
Speaker 1: drop off, and then it was good. So give yourself
Speaker 1: a week to not feel great. I quit caffeine when
Speaker 1: I got COVID. I don't hear about this. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're talking about this online, but covid, okay,
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm talking about. And I got it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna do caffeine for about three months
Speaker 1: no coffee. Yeah, And it felt great. And then I
Speaker 1: went to Italy. All they got to Italy is these
Speaker 1: a little tight cups of coffee because I don't know
Speaker 1: you even heard about this is a lot of coffee
Speaker 1: and one little thing. Okay, yeah, hard attack in a
Speaker 1: cup funked up. Ever since I'm trying real hard. I
Speaker 1: can't have these panic attacks anymore. It's too stressful. It's
Speaker 1: too stressful. Great matcha talk, everybody, Great match talk and
Speaker 1: break something from your search history that you know, reveal
Speaker 1: something about you to us. Wait a second okay, coming in.
Speaker 1: I love it though, all right, you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: take us through the search history overrated, underrated. First, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna tell the people a couple of the things
Speaker 1: we're talking about. The Washington Post has given us a
Speaker 1: great resource that we can use for ourselves, we can
Speaker 1: share with our family about what to do during a
Speaker 1: mass shooting. It is really fucked up, like weird that
Speaker 1: this is. This is this seems to be the Washington
Speaker 1: Post of New York Times and just generally the mainstream
Speaker 1: media approach to this new apocalyptic reality we're living in,
Speaker 1: which is just like, yeah, okay, so this is happening.
Speaker 1: Here are our new overlords, would like you to meet them.
Speaker 1: Here's a like profile of a bunch of uh anti
Speaker 1: choice twenty two year olds that we think you might enjoy.
Speaker 1: That was a New York Times piece. Um, and the
Speaker 1: Washington Post has just some like helpful tips about like
Speaker 1: what to do in a mass shooting that includes just
Speaker 1: a lot of like tactical operators speak for like we'll
Speaker 1: get to it. It's pretty It's like both funny and
Speaker 1: just causing me to despair. We if we have time,
Speaker 1: we're gonna compare and contrast to scandals if we don't
Speaker 1: have time, it will be in I guess yesterday's trending.
Speaker 1: But so Boris Johnson did, in fact resign, I don't.
Speaker 1: I think it was like he so he wasn't quick
Speaker 1: enough to condemn the actions of a real piece of ship.
Speaker 1: Also like through parties, that signal he wasn't taking the
Speaker 1: COVID threat seriously. And then we have another one where,
Speaker 1: like on this side of the pond, the proverbial pond,
Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham has decided he won't comply with subpoenas, and
Speaker 1: that seems to be like all Republicans are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't like the law doesn't apply to us, so
Speaker 1: we're not really much in common there. I think I
Speaker 1: just want to ask if I can move to the UK,
Speaker 1: because they still seem to have a functioning society, civilization.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not, I don't know. I don't think breakfast
Speaker 1: over there the beans for breakfast. I do love a
Speaker 1: baked bean with with some eggs. It's sausage, Oh god,
Speaker 1: I don't funk with blood sausage. However, I am not
Speaker 1: a monster, and the fact that that people treat those
Speaker 1: two is equivalent. I don't know that's being eraser Um.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna also talk about Popeye is like, I
Speaker 1: guess the latest soldier in the culture war. They're they're
Speaker 1: re up and they're re up in the Popeye comic strip.
Speaker 1: I don't know. This makes me feel sad that this
Speaker 1: is a conversation all that plenty more. But first, Joel,
Speaker 1: why don't you help us getting Now it's time to
Speaker 1: learn about Claire, and we'll begin with your search history.
Speaker 1: What's something from your search history that tells us about you, Claire. Recently,
Speaker 1: I've been looking at pictures of scorpions and amber. You guys,
Speaker 1: that's dope. That's dope. Make a new age Drassic Park
Speaker 1: love it kind of cool because I'm looking for I've
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm a scorpio rising, you know what, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: a chat doing that. I think so tight. I'm a
Speaker 1: scorpio moon, and I definitely want to get a scorpion
Speaker 1: like shadow inside of a moon. I don't think it's jacky,
Speaker 1: it's epic Jackie scorpion or do you any scorpions in
Speaker 1: your chart? I'm a Leo. I tend to gravitate towards
Speaker 1: Gemini's that makes sense. M does it make sense? I
Speaker 1: feel like it's all fired. Yeah, a little chaos. I
Speaker 1: respect it. Okay, I'm I'm looking at some scorpions and
Speaker 1: neighbor tattoos and they are very cool. I am. I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm too late in the game to get tattoos,
Speaker 1: but I envy people with tattoos. You've just got to
Speaker 1: grow a sick gray beard and start having right, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: I feel like that would be the only thing that
Speaker 1: it would signal, other than maybe I'm like, oh that's cool. Looking,
Speaker 1: would be Oh he's afraid of death. Now more than
Speaker 1: I want to see Jack on a Harley, I'm ready
Speaker 1: recycle Jack and bring it out. Oh god, Claire, was
Speaker 1: something that you think is overrated? Purchasing clothes online? Oh
Speaker 1: ding ding, Claire? Why overrated? I think the convenience is
Speaker 1: just not worth it when it comes to you getting
Speaker 1: shoes in the mail that you think are going to
Speaker 1: fit there, you're the number says yeah, this is the
Speaker 1: number I'm put and then that's what and you were
Speaker 1: and then you're like, um, look like a damn clown.
Speaker 1: Look it doesn't The backs of my ankles are writ
Speaker 1: to shred somehow, and U, it's just not worth it.
Speaker 1: Just go to the store to get your stuff. I agree.
Speaker 1: As a plus size shopper, sometimes I have no choice
Speaker 1: but to order online, and it sucks on two folds. One.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll buy something super cute, but then I get
Speaker 1: it and the feel is wrong. Like I bought this
Speaker 1: like adorable purple skirt, but it feels like a sleeping bag.
Speaker 1: I would remember made this purchase in a store. Okay,
Speaker 1: it makes swishy sounds and I walk in it. But
Speaker 1: I won't return anything because I have to go to
Speaker 1: a post office. I got a print that I don't
Speaker 1: have a printer. Okay, what year is it? I can't
Speaker 1: make returns thirty years old, I still can't do it.
Speaker 1: So if I buy something, I'm either keeping it or
Speaker 1: I found a good will. It's not that far from
Speaker 1: my place. I'll just drop it off there, hopefully somebody
Speaker 1: else can't use it. Was smart enough to go to
Speaker 1: a store to purchase clothing that actually works for them?
Speaker 1: What the first world problem? But like a nightmare of
Speaker 1: a first world problem? Well, they I just should I
Speaker 1: should say, they should just say what the clothes feel like?
Speaker 1: When yeah, what do you feel like sleeping bag the
Speaker 1: spider web sleeping bag swish with a spider web finish,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I feel like I yeah. The convenience is
Speaker 1: fully taken over by like all the impracticality of it
Speaker 1: and the the returns and the need for a printer,
Speaker 1: which nobody, nobody has a printer, right, like those those
Speaker 1: are for work. Like if you if you still work
Speaker 1: for some place that has a a printer, then maybe
Speaker 1: you can go in there. But it's it's the worst,
Speaker 1: and it is like the idea of online shopping is
Speaker 1: completely based around having a printer in most cases, right,
Speaker 1: you know what? And it's fun because it's bizarre. I
Speaker 1: love online shopping, like the actual act of And I'm
Speaker 1: putting it in the car and I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: things that I found a deal and then Honey found
Speaker 1: me an extra bonus deal. Love it. And then it's
Speaker 1: always buyers or more. I'll get five things and like
Speaker 1: two of them will be like spot On, and I'll
Speaker 1: be like, I guess I own this. Yeah, it's I
Speaker 1: compulsively buy things online, things I don't need, but it
Speaker 1: feels good to buy stuff. Brick and mortar is like
Speaker 1: just in terms of sales figures and just like the
Speaker 1: future of commerce, it seems like people just generally are
Speaker 1: agreeing with this overrated and are no longer like shopping
Speaker 1: as much online and are I was talking. I have
Speaker 1: a friend who works in the finance and of this stuff,
Speaker 1: and I don't usually understand what he's talking about, but
Speaker 1: that was one thing he said was like, yeah, like
Speaker 1: people now are shopping more brick and mortar stores, and
Speaker 1: they're like going to the stores with like like the conversion. Right,
Speaker 1: It's not like they just go in and absolutely wander around.
Speaker 1: They like go know what they want and buy it,
Speaker 1: which makes sense because there I keep hearing this word covid.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it means, but yeah, people are
Speaker 1: smarter than me, is what I just heard. There, like
Speaker 1: people taking time to actually search for what they want,
Speaker 1: go to the store, pick it up like geniuses. Uh listen,
Speaker 1: if that's you, I'm appreciative, thank you for not doing
Speaker 1: the fast fashion they can. Like I wonder if like
Speaker 1: sales reps have adapted to the fact that we hate
Speaker 1: them and like they have like backed off a little bit,
Speaker 1: because I used to be a thing that any time
Speaker 1: I hated clothes shopping because I didn't like just that
Speaker 1: interaction like from the start, where it's just like a
Speaker 1: weird fake like hey, like we're friends and tell me
Speaker 1: your size and I'll go shopping with you. No, ma'am,
Speaker 1: leave me alone, please, sir, I don't need it. What
Speaker 1: I do want, though, is the champagne experience. Before COVID,
Speaker 1: people's opening up stores all across America, and then they
Speaker 1: got bought by Walmart and they were like closing all
Speaker 1: of those down. It was horrendous. I was waiting for
Speaker 1: them to open up one in l A because they
Speaker 1: would greet you with a glass of champagne and then
Speaker 1: you go shopping in their store and they have big
Speaker 1: private dressing rooms, and I was like, that is all
Speaker 1: I want in life, Like, if you greet me with
Speaker 1: champagne instantly, this is a ten out of ten experience.
Speaker 1: No matter what happens beyond this champagne, I'm a very
Speaker 1: happy person. Bring back the like Bergdorfs, Meeme and Markets
Speaker 1: style of shopping, the personal shoppers, the champagne. I would
Speaker 1: like models in store of all sizes to wear the
Speaker 1: clothes so I can see what they look like. While
Speaker 1: I just like relax and chat with my friends. Have
Speaker 1: you seen the Women? People watch it? It's a great movie.
Speaker 1: This is what I want out of life. Shopping could
Speaker 1: be better? Is always saying here, oh my gosh, clear
Speaker 1: to its something that's underrated in your opinion. I recently
Speaker 1: rented a convertible car I was visiting l A. Highly
Speaker 1: underrated people. I'm gonna say everybody should should drive around
Speaker 1: in a convertible at least once in their life, with
Speaker 1: the threat of large objects falling off of other cars
Speaker 1: and hitting you in the head. It's thrilling and it's like,
Speaker 1: like music sounds better. I don't mean to sound like
Speaker 1: some STU, but it's just, you know, it's just an
Speaker 1: insane experience, and it was. I was specifically driving in
Speaker 1: l A. I don't know what it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: and like Dallas or whatever, history shows it's not not
Speaker 1: a good place to have a convertible, But I would
Speaker 1: say that it's just so fun. I can't speak to
Speaker 1: being a passenger in the back seat of a convertible
Speaker 1: that seems maybe overrape but underrated, right driving a convertible
Speaker 1: in l A. I just watched Thelma and Louise for
Speaker 1: the first time, like a month ago, and so I'm
Speaker 1: catching the vibes. I love the idea of one in
Speaker 1: your hair, but I would absolutely have to wear a
Speaker 1: scarf because like, after half an hour at full speed,
Speaker 1: it would be an issue. But there is something about
Speaker 1: driving around certain parts of l A, specifically pretty much
Speaker 1: anywhere on the East Side, you start to feel way
Speaker 1: more glamorous and or cool, depending on which night. If
Speaker 1: you're in Beverly Hills and you're driving around in a
Speaker 1: car that's like clean and semi nights, you're like, my god,
Speaker 1: am I wealthy over here? Like I feel very posh
Speaker 1: and it's amazing. Or you know, if you're like in
Speaker 1: East Los Angeles and the fashion district, suddenly you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is where cool kids are and I'm here, so
Speaker 1: therefore I must also be cool. And I can only
Speaker 1: imagine that convertible is just really heightening all of those feelings.
Speaker 1: I'm around covortible. You've convinced me you can put the
Speaker 1: top up to right like it's not and at some
Speaker 1: point point putting the top up for else the top
Speaker 1: of your head will get sunber. Yeah, what happened to me?
Speaker 1: That's just I like to undercut people. Who are excited
Speaker 1: about a thing by tempering it with the practical. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: you can always put the top up and wear a hat.
Speaker 1: And I've never I don't think I've ever driven in
Speaker 1: a convertible. I think I've only been in a like
Speaker 1: one of the jeep wranglers when I was in high
Speaker 1: school that are like made of paper except for a
Speaker 1: roll bar. And it was like driving on the highway
Speaker 1: with that person was a very like violent experience. Oh no,
Speaker 1: but just just because it's like everything is like, you know,
Speaker 1: flapping so hard. They're just it's like just your car
Speaker 1: is half tent at that point. But I I have
Speaker 1: seen a lot of people driving around l A and
Speaker 1: the rental cars and that are convertible. Also, it seems
Speaker 1: like generally, like fifty plus men have like old school
Speaker 1: convertibles that they proudly drive around in and like kind
Speaker 1: of will make eye contact with you as they as
Speaker 1: they pull up in there convertible. And they did, Yeah
Speaker 1: we did, we did the head nod, yeah, the fellow
Speaker 1: convertible driver. Yeah, alright, Well, I I now have my
Speaker 1: Marchi Mars and I'm gonna I'm gonna drive a convertible
Speaker 1: before it's too late. Amber scorpion tattoo. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know what what's a what's a good leo tattoo? I
Speaker 1: gotta look that up. I mean, I get a lion
Speaker 1: with a crown on its side. That definitely matches my energy,
Speaker 1: so totally. Yeah, gets the blood splatter on the teeth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lion is just eating and just kind of taking.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, just like a tired lion. Alright, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll check in
Speaker 1: with the Washington Post on their their tips for living
Speaker 1: in our New America. And we're back, and the Washington
Speaker 1: Post has given us some sane tips for surviving a
Speaker 1: match shooting because nothing is wrong and everything is okay
Speaker 1: in the United States. Yeah, it was like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of written in the same voice as a
Speaker 1: piece in like a culture or society page where at
Speaker 1: one point they recommend, like before settling into your seat
Speaker 1: or spot, ask yourself, if there's an attack, what will
Speaker 1: I do? It only takes a moment to answer this
Speaker 1: question before you sit back, relax and enjoy your outing.
Speaker 1: So flick practical tips for going out, having a good
Speaker 1: weekend but also being vigilant and keeping your fucking head
Speaker 1: on a swivel in case of attack from a shooter something.
Speaker 1: I kind of this is my life. I've been doing
Speaker 1: that right, first of all, But I also think it's
Speaker 1: like human follows it up with think of it as
Speaker 1: making a regular deposit in a survival bank and then
Speaker 1: if an emergency arises, being able to make up potentially
Speaker 1: life saving withdrawal. That is the darkest ship I have
Speaker 1: ever heard in my entire life, and the idea that
Speaker 1: these tips are both practical, possibly necessary, and it's just
Speaker 1: it's so deeply distorted, particularly when you you know, with
Speaker 1: the shooting in Illinois recently and hearing from and about
Speaker 1: the children involved there. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: saw the video of like an entire high school band
Speaker 1: just taking off and meaning when they heard the shots fire. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, satire or or necessary ingredients? What do
Speaker 1: we think? It feels like satire and also necessary. So
Speaker 1: we open with a word about the importance of advancing
Speaker 1: your location, which is like their security expert operator speech
Speaker 1: for like doing advance planning and research. So they're like
Speaker 1: you neo libs love doing homework, So just like start
Speaker 1: looking at the schematics and escape plans for every building
Speaker 1: you occupy before you go, and and then you can
Speaker 1: just you know, be assured that we're we're gonna have
Speaker 1: a good time. Everybody can relax, and you know, if
Speaker 1: someone comes in shouting something incoherent about you being a
Speaker 1: child groomer and starts spraying gunfire everywhere or whatever, you'll
Speaker 1: you'll know what to do. You're ready for everything down
Speaker 1: to clown baby. And then yeah, that so then they
Speaker 1: get into the real ship, like, okay, so what happens.
Speaker 1: They're here, they're shooting at you, and make yourself as
Speaker 1: small a target as possible, and then get away as
Speaker 1: fast as you can, which is a very vague instruction.
Speaker 1: Get away if you can tell which direction the shots
Speaker 1: are coming from and you're not infinitely trampled by everybody
Speaker 1: else trying to escape. It's giving the level of anxiety
Speaker 1: I get every time I get on a plane and
Speaker 1: they're like, so if there's an emergency, you're just gonna
Speaker 1: reach under your seat. I'm like, these aisles are so
Speaker 1: small to get out of my sea, get on the floor,
Speaker 1: reach under there for that life preserver. Is it going
Speaker 1: to protect me? For real there, you could just blow
Speaker 1: it up with I don't believe any if this is
Speaker 1: gonna work. Planes are safe, so hopefully not this time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, very anxiety inducing. Yeah, the first thing you
Speaker 1: want to think about is which is get down, and
Speaker 1: if you can determine which direction it's coming from, get away.
Speaker 1: That's our general rule. The PURP tends to be wildly firing,
Speaker 1: so your very best bet is to be a small
Speaker 1: target as you can and getting away as fast as
Speaker 1: you can. And then they like give some suggestions about
Speaker 1: like finding the most solid structure t hied behind, Like
Speaker 1: using a car as a shield may not be ideal
Speaker 1: if the vehicle is made of weaker materials like fiberglass
Speaker 1: or plastic. If there's an option, concrete or brick walls
Speaker 1: can be very helpful and would offer better protection than
Speaker 1: stucco or sheet rock dividers. If it's a true heinous
Speaker 1: active shooter who is looking to target individuals, getting to
Speaker 1: a place you can't be seen is very helpful. I
Speaker 1: love that. It's so funny to me, the like using
Speaker 1: tactical and operator, Like you know how police use as
Speaker 1: many words as possible to like describe something they're like, Well,
Speaker 1: we encounter the individual and made a tactical approach to
Speaker 1: the Like they just said, getting to a place you
Speaker 1: can't be seen as very helpful instead of like high,
Speaker 1: motherfucker high, I'm gonna run to the nearest wall, but
Speaker 1: for I'm going to knock on it to make sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're doing I'm putting my ear to the wall, looking
Speaker 1: for the studs. Do a stud do a stud finder
Speaker 1: test real quick. Make sure you're behind some something solid,
Speaker 1: you know, Consult well all the homework you did before arriving,
Speaker 1: all the advancing that you did to make sure you
Speaker 1: are near a car that withstands bullets better than other
Speaker 1: other cars exactly. Movies have taught me that will explode,
Speaker 1: And then I'm it's in a different type of trouble.
Speaker 1: But I think I think that the strategy of using
Speaker 1: a lot of boring words to say the thing is
Speaker 1: a way of like, I feel like I'm seeing them
Speaker 1: want like try and feel like they have control of
Speaker 1: the situation, presidencying like hide. They're like, well, it's what
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to do is getting to a place
Speaker 1: you can't be seen with a shelter option peripheral that
Speaker 1: keeps you behind something. It's just like, yeah, okay, you
Speaker 1: got it. This line particularly chilling. Just like children playing
Speaker 1: sports learn to react quickly to a fast pitch or
Speaker 1: a pass from a teammate, they can be taught how
Speaker 1: to react in an emergency very vague. This is beyond emergency.
Speaker 1: This is a mass shooting. Let's be very specific. And
Speaker 1: so can adults, which is I don't want like Ford
Speaker 1: shows to have to react to gunfire with like the
Speaker 1: thought process of a marine. That's very disturbing to me. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we want your kids, Like I need to start training
Speaker 1: my four and six year old to react to gunfire
Speaker 1: with just like stony, like dead eyed, like cool, they're
Speaker 1: they're like in a mess. Shooting. Calm is a superpower.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'll start telling my kids is that, like,
Speaker 1: you know how like you like the superpower really people
Speaker 1: can fly and do stuff like that. The real superpower
Speaker 1: you want to develop is desensitization to mass shootings. Even
Speaker 1: all those superheroes become super after some sort of perfect
Speaker 1: traumatic avenge. Yeah yeah, this should be your origin story, baby.
Speaker 1: And then so the part that like really made it,
Speaker 1: like situated it within the logic of the police and
Speaker 1: the police state that is has been pretty strong and
Speaker 1: unshakable in American feels like it's using these opportunities to
Speaker 1: get stronger. Is like up next is a FBI agent
Speaker 1: they consold who says, one thing you have to realize
Speaker 1: is no one knows how they're going to react or
Speaker 1: respond when it happens to them. It is the most
Speaker 1: average routine Monday moment of their day. And then gunmen
Speaker 1: and mass shootings get more sophisticated over time, throwing more
Speaker 1: advanced challenges that those trying to escape their lines of fire.
Speaker 1: The Highland Park suspect, for instance, is alleged to have
Speaker 1: taken a sniper's position from a rooftop on the parade route,
Speaker 1: which gave him a tactical advantage. As a collective, we
Speaker 1: underestimate the offender and the offender cohort every single day.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that from the FBI. The
Speaker 1: FBI ad it yet, so first of all, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know that that's necessarily true, like the people I
Speaker 1: don't know like that. That feels like them trying to
Speaker 1: like that. That's what is particularly dispiriting is that they
Speaker 1: are taking this narrative and rather than being like I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's like real fucked up there, Like yeah, see,
Speaker 1: this is what we've been saying, and they're getting better
Speaker 1: at it, so we need more power and like everybody
Speaker 1: needs to be trained to evade the these like super
Speaker 1: mass shooters. Like that is the the narrative that they're
Speaker 1: going to try and put out there. And the Washington
Speaker 1: Post in the New York Times are just like so
Speaker 1: wide open to what the funk ever the police want
Speaker 1: to tell them, like they just report, report it without
Speaker 1: without any questioning. There's no thought um on perspective. It
Speaker 1: is the FBI's job to try to figure out, like
Speaker 1: how would we keep people safe in the same way
Speaker 1: that secret services responsibility, like how do we keep They're
Speaker 1: not there to pass laws or specifically gun reform. So
Speaker 1: I understand this line of thinking from someone in this
Speaker 1: line of work, But then to s bee that at
Speaker 1: people as though that is the ultimate answer to the
Speaker 1: situation is chilling. I think petually because of the statement
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, if you haven't been shot at regularly, you
Speaker 1: have no idea how you're going to respond. You might
Speaker 1: freeze up, maybe you'd take off and like forget your
Speaker 1: loved one. That has happened before, and just out of
Speaker 1: natural fear so to to say you're gonna prepare. Nobody's
Speaker 1: even these proud boys who are out here, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to form the attacks and and thank goodness being
Speaker 1: found out before anything happens, or or run into the
Speaker 1: wrong crowd and get pushed back into their trucks or whatever.
Speaker 1: Like they don't know for real, like what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: They just have this idea of how they're going to respond.
Speaker 1: So I I just this feels very much useless. It's
Speaker 1: not going to be helpful to anyone, and real maybe
Speaker 1: one or two people will be like brick wall, Okay,
Speaker 1: where is one there? Go move? I just I just
Speaker 1: think if you're going to be running on pure instinct,
Speaker 1: if God forbid, you find yourself in one of these situations. Look,
Speaker 1: did I repeatedly use my wife as a human shield
Speaker 1: every time I heard a firecracker on July four? Like, yeah, maybe,
Speaker 1: but that's instinct. We don't know how we're going to respond.
Speaker 1: I think she gets it after some explaining, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my truth. Yeah, and we respect that. If I
Speaker 1: was particularly horrible for you guys this year, I've never
Speaker 1: really had an issue with fireworks before, but this year.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because I have a dog who's terrified fireworks
Speaker 1: and that put me a little bit on edge. And
Speaker 1: I also live in a neighborhood where they'll pop off
Speaker 1: fireworks till like four in the morning. But this year,
Speaker 1: every time a firework went off, I was like jumped
Speaker 1: a little. It was kind of upsetting. It only reminded
Speaker 1: me of gunfire. I had none of the childlike joy
Speaker 1: of like, oh, sparkly thing in the sky. I was
Speaker 1: just like it turned very much into a squid where
Speaker 1: I was like, cut it out and do not need
Speaker 1: the bombs right now. In my neighborhood, they start setting
Speaker 1: stuff off, you know, kind of the moment it becomes
Speaker 1: seventy five degrees or or warmer, And so most of
Speaker 1: the fireworks I only hear and I don't see. Those
Speaker 1: freaked me out. And I too have a dog, nown
Speaker 1: so I'm seeing it through her eyes, and she's seeing
Speaker 1: red cheet so much, and I feel so bad for
Speaker 1: her and everyone with PTSD from gunfire and all, which
Speaker 1: is happening more and more so I don't Maybe we
Speaker 1: do those drone fun drone light shows. Yeah, it concerns
Speaker 1: me about urchechnical overlords and their ability to see everything.
Speaker 1: But you gotta give a little and take a little,
Speaker 1: you know. So then then the article switches to talk
Speaker 1: about how to deal with the terror, and it's can
Speaker 1: I tell you not great news either. They basically recommend
Speaker 1: doing stuff that gives you the illusion of control while
Speaker 1: basically acknowledging that it isn't helping. So like they interview
Speaker 1: a psychologist and a psychiatrist. First of all, the section
Speaker 1: is called find a sense of purpose and control, and
Speaker 1: they're like writing two members of Congress, protesting, fundraising and
Speaker 1: starting petitions. Are always that regular people can help to
Speaker 1: harness their fear of daily life in a society where
Speaker 1: violence and devastation regularly dominate headlines. Duffy said, this is
Speaker 1: the psychiatrist. There's no reason to think this wouldn't happen again,
Speaker 1: and brings people hope, oddly is to brainstorm about what
Speaker 1: do you think we can do about it? I think
Speaker 1: people like the idea that they could contribute somehow to
Speaker 1: some kind of solutions, somehow to some kind of solution.
Speaker 1: Those are marching orders, some weird existential marching orders. Find it,
Speaker 1: find the energy within yourself in these dark days? Do
Speaker 1: you be nice right to be to like politely reach
Speaker 1: out to Congress members and protests in a way that
Speaker 1: we the Washington Post will approve of and will not
Speaker 1: claim was like worthy of arrest quote unquote violent. They
Speaker 1: were so angry it was scary. Why are they being
Speaker 1: like this? Throw some fundraising dinners for all your rich
Speaker 1: friends and have them give you money to to do? What?
Speaker 1: Have some celebrities sing a song? It will really invariate
Speaker 1: Congress to do something about it. I guess yeah. I
Speaker 1: would like who ask people if you stop saying, unless
Speaker 1: you're a Baptist choir, don't sing when tragedy happens. It's weird.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. It's bizarre. You did it when Roevie
Speaker 1: Wade got overturned and it was startling and strange. America
Speaker 1: the beautiful, maybe not the time, not the place. I yeah,
Speaker 1: I just this article just makes me feel like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's anything new here in the
Speaker 1: the The suggestion to write a letter just really both.
Speaker 1: If you can write a letter so good it would
Speaker 1: make our government act on gun safety. Why haven't you
Speaker 1: pended already? I don't want to making your fault. But
Speaker 1: you knew you had this secret power all along, and
Speaker 1: you should have been writing well, they suggest this writing
Speaker 1: letters and like starting petitions. More, it's not as like
Speaker 1: a thing that could feasibly have any impact. It's as
Speaker 1: like a craft like crafting, Like crafting can be good
Speaker 1: for dealing with stress. So the fact that it could
Speaker 1: contribute somehow to some kind of solution is probably the
Speaker 1: weakest least specific like commitment that one could make. I
Speaker 1: feel like, but yeah, I don't know. This does feel
Speaker 1: like a larger trend where like the mainstream media seems
Speaker 1: to be rather than being like, all right, well, this
Speaker 1: is a you know, an endpoint. Uh, this is like
Speaker 1: a line that has been crossed and we now need
Speaker 1: to like figure out what we do in this clearly
Speaker 1: broken society, they have instead just like used the same voice,
Speaker 1: the same tone, the same like mechanism for like getting
Speaker 1: by in the world to just interview like the statistically
Speaker 1: anomalous like group of anti choice like twenty something women
Speaker 1: Like that was a big piece in the New York Times.
Speaker 1: You know, worry about the safety of at Kavanaugh and
Speaker 1: just give us tips for how to survive in a
Speaker 1: fascist police state, like like become a police officer, basically
Speaker 1: become all these articles on Trump supporters who had regrets
Speaker 1: about it, and or Trump supporters who were like, why
Speaker 1: doesn't my community like me anymore? I don't understand everyone's
Speaker 1: so mean. Now, Yeah, we've really got to focus in
Speaker 1: on who we're talking to and why in these situations.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, I know that there are a
Speaker 1: lot of journalists out there who are like I would
Speaker 1: never have chosen to cover this story this way, but
Speaker 1: my editors and probably the money people above them, decided
Speaker 1: that this was the best angle to take, and I
Speaker 1: just bring back local journalism, I guess. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: The ultimate listical, I think I'm surprised I didn't put
Speaker 1: that as one of the options of things that you
Speaker 1: can do that could somehow offer some kind of solution, right,
Speaker 1: the ultimate listical? The society to its foundations helpful? But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think people still look to the
Speaker 1: New York Times and the Wahington Post as like, well,
Speaker 1: sometimes they're good, but like they're not helping us out
Speaker 1: of this situation. It would appear they are the cement
Speaker 1: that holds this situation in place, and we need to
Speaker 1: figure out other options or read them and you know,
Speaker 1: become like a sick operator who is like I ascertained
Speaker 1: the individual assailant and by not underestimating the offender and
Speaker 1: the offender cohort, that's the line. As a collective, we
Speaker 1: underestimate the offender and the offender cohort every single day.
Speaker 1: Like that is the moment I lost hope for anything
Speaker 1: getting fixed in this country. Is like they just printed
Speaker 1: an FBI agent thing that yeah, I'm decoding this article
Speaker 1: and it's same by a gun. Yes, yes, exactly, Okay,
Speaker 1: absolutely solution to the problem. They wouldn't say that, but
Speaker 1: they do offer just like breathless accounts and like quotes
Speaker 1: from somebody who offers both unarmed and armed defense tactical training,
Speaker 1: so you know, and you know, say his name like
Speaker 1: five times so you know you know where to reach out.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back
Speaker 1: and talk about Popeye and we're back and all right,
Speaker 1: So it's barely been two weeks since the woke buzz
Speaker 1: light Year movie scarred America with the scene in which
Speaker 1: two women kissed for half a second. Some theaters actually
Speaker 1: posted warnings in the lobby. I don't Joel. Did you
Speaker 1: see the Buzz late year movie? No? It did badly,
Speaker 1: which I had predicted. But I think people are like, well,
Speaker 1: let's serves them right for not making it, serves them
Speaker 1: right for choosing to expand a universe that should have
Speaker 1: ended a movie ago. What are we doing? Disney Toy
Speaker 1: Story was done and he had his adventure Buzz would
Speaker 1: he grew up in a way that was profoundly written
Speaker 1: and emotionally destabilizing. I I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed with the
Speaker 1: first three Toy Story movies. They are so perfectly done
Speaker 1: and the story for you could take it back. I
Speaker 1: don't need it, and I really truly definitely don't need
Speaker 1: a fake movie within a cinema that we never saw
Speaker 1: Andy interact with dumb. Yeah. I also love Toy Story
Speaker 1: four and did not care about this movie. I was
Speaker 1: confused and remain confused as why it exists. But now
Speaker 1: we're onto the next controversy or pop out of the
Speaker 1: Sailor Man like they're trying to re redo the Popeye
Speaker 1: comic strip, which, like, is, when was the last time
Speaker 1: anybody read a newspaper comic strip? For reasons, other than
Speaker 1: to be like, oh my god, they still make these,
Speaker 1: but like what it's I can't It's like it has
Speaker 1: to have been decades for you have to the Boondocks,
Speaker 1: the animated show came out of a college paper news
Speaker 1: strip that then got picked up nationally. So that's early
Speaker 1: two thousands. And I do think that there's like the
Speaker 1: very long running comic strips that have their fan base,
Speaker 1: albeit a small one. But I from a pop culture perspective,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's been in the quotes like guys
Speaker 1: for a hot minute, right, So I feel like that
Speaker 1: is what is happening here. I feel like the like
Speaker 1: the people rebooting Popeye the Sailor Man have like made
Speaker 1: a point to be like this is being updated for
Speaker 1: a new, like inclusive storyline, probably with like some knowledge
Speaker 1: that it was going to stir up controversy with like
Speaker 1: Breitbart and Newsmax. Who are piste? Can I need this headline?
Speaker 1: Popeyes comic strip gets woke makeo for with more characters
Speaker 1: who aren't heterosexual. Where are you a spinning at you?
Speaker 1: A blue bluto has been a queer icon for years.
Speaker 1: The ultimate Bear, right, Yes, I mean I am sexually
Speaker 1: attracted to Blueto. For sure, everyone is sexually attracted to Bluto.
Speaker 1: I mean there has been no heterosexuality assigned to Popeye,
Speaker 1: at least in my eyes. Well, and also if you
Speaker 1: consider the history of comics, like some of the early
Speaker 1: and specifically when it comes to like Sailors in the Navy,
Speaker 1: like there are a lot of homo erotic early sailor
Speaker 1: cartoons from like the forties. This is the first I'm
Speaker 1: hearing of this. I mean, no, no, no, okay, it's
Speaker 1: like this. They're super popular even to this day, and
Speaker 1: so I think to just again, they just want to
Speaker 1: ignore queer history at all costs. They're like it's new,
Speaker 1: and it's scary, and it's like it has literally been
Speaker 1: around you your whole life, even when it was like
Speaker 1: undercover or quote in the closet, it was still vital
Speaker 1: and there. And so when these creators decide to acknowledge
Speaker 1: these queer communities that have supported their content for decades,
Speaker 1: I don't understand how you can be upset about it.
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's been here now, someone's just saying
Speaker 1: I see you and I acknowledge you. When we're just
Speaker 1: not going to force it to be hidden anymore, and
Speaker 1: they're like beside themselves about it. Get over it. Yeah. Previously,
Speaker 1: Popeye cartoons have been full of racist character is, including
Speaker 1: a nineteen one cartoon where a Popeye and his dad
Speaker 1: battle savage dark skinned natives, which even included a joke
Speaker 1: about slavery. So that is the the old, the classic
Speaker 1: Popeye that everybody who's complaining about this is like clinging to.
Speaker 1: I guess of course Popeye was there. Like so some
Speaker 1: people have pointed out Popeye was gender fluid and some
Speaker 1: early strips, uh, donzo woman's clothes to act like a
Speaker 1: child's mother. But it's like it is. At first, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's like a classic like comic or
Speaker 1: like cartoon strips, but there's like a lot of there.
Speaker 1: There's like one comic strip that I'm pretty sure this
Speaker 1: is real that somebody reproduced where Popeye says and I quote,
Speaker 1: don't you dare in cineric. I ain't been a good mother,
Speaker 1: too sweepy. I've been more in a mother to him.
Speaker 1: I am a perfect male sex mother. That's what I've been.
Speaker 1: A father to him too. I've been even an aunt
Speaker 1: and an uncle and a cousin cousing to I do
Speaker 1: not understand what Popeye like mispronounces or like the logic
Speaker 1: of his pronunciation. I got the ability to act like
Speaker 1: both mother and father too. In think that's why I
Speaker 1: am such a good parent. I am amphibious. So that's
Speaker 1: very literally like, yeah, it's not just like you put
Speaker 1: on a dress like full and infant who was crying,
Speaker 1: which is like one of the first examples of somebody reproduced.
Speaker 1: But it's like very much Popeye just being like I
Speaker 1: am both a man and a woman and whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: gender identity. I want so fun. Got the hips to
Speaker 1: carry off a skirt too, Like the figure is really
Speaker 1: banging in this outfit. I just want to say, the
Speaker 1: apron is cute. I love it. I love that Popeye
Speaker 1: was just this been uncomfortable with their gender fluidity. And
Speaker 1: I hope we see more of it, a lot more.
Speaker 1: And I hope con he needs to piss people off
Speaker 1: because y'all are stupid. I can't stupid. I can't particularly
Speaker 1: with the amount of like transphobia, perreating I don't know
Speaker 1: the entire universe right now, like it delights me to
Speaker 1: make these people angry, get out of here. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: also seems to be a thing that The New York
Speaker 1: Times has clung to as like, well, the reason that
Speaker 1: conservatives are met at liberals is because of like transphobia
Speaker 1: and because like liberals have been like too you know,
Speaker 1: aggressive with their protection of like pronouns and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that that just we've been we've been talking
Speaker 1: about it, like for a while, that there's just this
Speaker 1: like anti trans rage that is like bubbling onto the
Speaker 1: surface of the country and you can see it and
Speaker 1: like obviously think all of us like the way that
Speaker 1: they're coming, you know, it's a very clicheee, but like
Speaker 1: they're gonna come through one group and then immediately for
Speaker 1: the next. And oh my gosh, there was the craziest
Speaker 1: Twitter thread. Somebody had taken a photo of these turf
Speaker 1: folks talking about how they're re analyzing all of their
Speaker 1: past friendships and trying to figure out who was secretly
Speaker 1: trans around them, and they're going based off things of
Speaker 1: like she had broad shoulders because she must secretly not
Speaker 1: be a biological woman, like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And and then and then responding with and my friend
Speaker 1: was so shocked and she won't admit it, just lying,
Speaker 1: and it's like this is the most bananas thing I've
Speaker 1: ever heard of, And the idea that anyone could control
Speaker 1: gender or or create boundaries around gender completely baffles me.
Speaker 1: Or the other thing we've been seeing a lots of
Speaker 1: people like, oh, well, I don't like the word like menstruders,
Speaker 1: or I don't like the phrase people who men straight.
Speaker 1: But it's like people no matter what set of genitalia
Speaker 1: they're born with, like if you're born with ovaries, doesn't
Speaker 1: automatically mean you're ever going to opulate. It's not a
Speaker 1: foregone conclusion. So then to make it so that the
Speaker 1: only way to identify as a woman is based off
Speaker 1: of whether you mentorate or not, like, please leave, please?
Speaker 1: What does that say to like women who have had hysterectovies,
Speaker 1: what does it say to trans state of trans ment? Like,
Speaker 1: It's just it's the most upsetting bananas things. I can't
Speaker 1: even I can't. I'm so I got really angry on
Speaker 1: this about this on Twitter the other day because it's
Speaker 1: I just can't fathom telling somebody like, no, you're not
Speaker 1: what you say you are, Like I, I just firmly
Speaker 1: believe you cannot identify outside of these very strict rules
Speaker 1: that have no basis in science, even though they cling
Speaker 1: to science, like science says that's not true. You don't
Speaker 1: know science, you're not a biologist. Leave like I just
Speaker 1: uh we also just to put so much time and
Speaker 1: energy into someone else's business, It's like this is nothing
Speaker 1: to do with you. You're really trying to make something
Speaker 1: happen for you. Do know what is your obsession with
Speaker 1: anyone else's gender identity? Period? Like why do you clearly
Speaker 1: you know you you're questioning something about yourself that scares
Speaker 1: you always everybody within them? Are you so cling to
Speaker 1: your ideology as the your definition of your gender? For example,
Speaker 1: if you identify as a woman and you're like, no,
Speaker 1: this I am a woman and this is the only
Speaker 1: way to be a woman, and I'm not interested in
Speaker 1: hearing any other viewpoints on womanhood. This is it. That
Speaker 1: is the most close minded b as I've ever heard,
Speaker 1: And particularly for Turfs who are a part of the
Speaker 1: queer community, y'all make me the most angry. I'm not
Speaker 1: even gonna lie. I can't deal with you because you
Speaker 1: under you should understand inherently the spectrum of gender and
Speaker 1: and to be to be a woman excludes other women?
Speaker 1: Is it's file right? And I feel like the New
Speaker 1: York Times, it's being like and because like taking that
Speaker 1: position and being like this is where we lost to
Speaker 1: the argument on row and it's it's just them trying
Speaker 1: to redraw the battle lines so that it includes so
Speaker 1: that because they can't exist in a world where like
Speaker 1: the you know, democratic establishment and the corporate like media
Speaker 1: establishment has just been proven to have completely failed, you know,
Speaker 1: so now they have to like create this weird reality
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, actually it was the left that
Speaker 1: went too far and that is why we are in
Speaker 1: this situation. We definitely haven't been stone walling the process
Speaker 1: of government for a decade now. Oh god, I can't
Speaker 1: solid shout out to Popeye though. Glad you're out here
Speaker 1: doing your thing, so you do it more. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, what what did Debra Messing fight for? You
Speaker 1: know what? That is what I keep asking myself, do
Speaker 1: you So this is like a follow up question. I
Speaker 1: had this like weird, like kind of embarrassing thing happen
Speaker 1: more is driving and I saw someone with a shirt
Speaker 1: that said resist on it, and like I felt a
Speaker 1: brief little flutter of like, oh, maybe like people are
Speaker 1: starting some sort of social movement and I got closer
Speaker 1: and I realized it was a Star Wars shirt and yeah,
Speaker 1: and it maybe like I don't know, like and I
Speaker 1: was listening to a podcast that was like analyzing like
Speaker 1: the matrix is like cultural relevance and like the it's
Speaker 1: used by both the left and the right, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know. We we live in such
Speaker 1: like just a what is becoming more and more evidently
Speaker 1: like just completely broken society where like there is a
Speaker 1: bad guy. The bad guy is like its ultra wealthy,
Speaker 1: like looks like a movie villain. There's a bunch of them.
Speaker 1: The government is like just openly working only for corporations
Speaker 1: and like that. But but we are more like there's
Speaker 1: more conversation about like arguing over pop culture ship. I
Speaker 1: feel like or at least like that. I feel like
Speaker 1: pop culture has been channeling it for so long, and
Speaker 1: like we've been rooting for the resistance and Star Wars
Speaker 1: for so long and like haven't this is like the
Speaker 1: ultimate old guy take even to worried about Star Wars
Speaker 1: resistance and your resistance. Um, but I am like the
Speaker 1: most guilty of this as well. But I'm just like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, what if resistance? But not in Star Wars.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard. It's hard to feel like anything
Speaker 1: will change at this point when activism itself has been commodified.
Speaker 1: It's like we're all kind of preaching to the choir,
Speaker 1: and that choir is making money off of us preaching,
Speaker 1: and it's just, you know, a vicious circle. So it's like,
Speaker 1: how do we how do we completely divorce ourselves from
Speaker 1: all of those institutions entirely and truly make some sort
Speaker 1: of change, And it feels hard and impossible. The pop
Speaker 1: culture is also the measure by which we've explored like
Speaker 1: what is acceptable, you know, the boom of teenagers in
Speaker 1: the sixties getting their own financial demographic that we can
Speaker 1: actually track, and the teenagers spend a ton of money
Speaker 1: and they tend to be a viewpoint of like where
Speaker 1: is society going? And so when we track you know,
Speaker 1: societal changes that way, it makes sense that we sort
Speaker 1: of distilled it, you know, over the past I guess
Speaker 1: now sixty years into like, oh, well, what's pop culture doing?
Speaker 1: And it's interesting when we look at animation and cartoons
Speaker 1: and stuff. We recently too, there was a ship for
Speaker 1: the new bay Max show on Disney Plus and bay
Speaker 1: Max is picking up tampons for somebody, which is great.
Speaker 1: I really love that we're including like girls frequently start
Speaker 1: vnetuating it, like you know, between eight and sixteen, and
Speaker 1: so to bring that into the shows that they're watching,
Speaker 1: I think that's really brilliant. You know, people need to
Speaker 1: see that. And there's a trans person talking about like, oh,
Speaker 1: these are the pads I use, and like people had
Speaker 1: a complete meltdown over this, like what is this teaching children?
Speaker 1: Like some men have periods, period like and it's it's
Speaker 1: a two second thing, like they literally pop in. They
Speaker 1: do have a trans right shirt on, it's just the
Speaker 1: trans flag and they're just like, hey, use these. And
Speaker 1: so I don't know, as somebody who's like very ingrained
Speaker 1: in pop culture and as also in touch with a
Speaker 1: lot of creators, I think it's interesting to say the least,
Speaker 1: to watch people behind the scenes really pushed I don't
Speaker 1: want to say agendas, but really make sure that folks
Speaker 1: are seen in a way that they haven't been seen before.
Speaker 1: And to get children as early as possible, because you know,
Speaker 1: some of them are really facing a lot of brainwashing
Speaker 1: they're going to have to undo later, and I think
Speaker 1: it is important to be able to see it in
Speaker 1: pop culture so they can be like, oh, not everyone
Speaker 1: thinks like my folks. Here's of course. I think. I
Speaker 1: mostly think of like the insidious nature of the entertainment
Speaker 1: industry itself, where they don't want to get in trouble
Speaker 1: for seeing how they've been for the past hundred years,
Speaker 1: which is exclusive and and all that. So I there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of me that's like, Okay, I kind
Speaker 1: of see what you're doing here and with your insidious nature.
Speaker 1: But then of course that's amazing that we get to
Speaker 1: see these creators and these stories that we haven't seen before.
Speaker 1: It's going to be helpful ultimately, and it's good that
Speaker 1: they're feeling guilt enough that thing to make these pretty
Speaker 1: drastic moves, right yeah. Yeah. And also I feel like
Speaker 1: the benefit of capitalism is like that they the democratic
Speaker 1: you know, they're trying to reach the most people because
Speaker 1: that's the most profitable thing for them, right, and so
Speaker 1: like they are by like the logic of the market
Speaker 1: like being inclusive, which you know, not the best reason
Speaker 1: to do it. But I do think that's at least
Speaker 1: a benefit that we can see. I'll take it. I'll
Speaker 1: take small steps small steps. Yeah, I guess I was.
Speaker 1: I would differentiate between bay Max and a new Popeye
Speaker 1: comic newspaper, comic strip reboot, which seems specifically designed to
Speaker 1: be served up to the elderly, to be like face
Speaker 1: get mad, so we can maybe get like a TV
Speaker 1: show or like a streaming show out of this or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I guess that the thing that above to be
Speaker 1: out the most and on this front was Joe Biden
Speaker 1: pointing to serial commercials, this proof that America was headed
Speaker 1: in the right direction, all these biracial families, look at us,
Speaker 1: the future, the kids today, and I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: just like, look at the commercials, like, when was the
Speaker 1: last time you saw that they wouldn't mean that's what
Speaker 1: they want. On the one hand, I get it, like
Speaker 1: Joe Biden has lived a very long time and there
Speaker 1: was a moment for many years of his life where
Speaker 1: that wasn't visible. I understand. But at the same time, too,
Speaker 1: for a politician to consider any kind of advertisement a
Speaker 1: solution to actual people's problems, that's very disheartening. It's also
Speaker 1: not his job. Yeah, yeah, alright, Claire. It has been
Speaker 1: truly a pleasure having you on the daily Za Geist.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 1: You can find me at Oh my god, I'm on
Speaker 1: Twitter so rarely. I forget my own on Twitter at
Speaker 1: Claire Okine, Claire on Twitter at Claire is Okaine, on
Speaker 1: Instagram Claire Okay dot com, probabier Claire Okane needs and
Speaker 1: I'm doing my solo show at the Allegiance Theater on
Speaker 1: August twenty that tim PM, come on out. It's about
Speaker 1: grief and arn't amazing. Where's the Allegiance Theater is in?
Speaker 1: I want to? I think they call it a frogtown. Okay, nice?
Speaker 1: You know about it? And is there a tweet or
Speaker 1: some of the work of social media you've been enjoying.
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of my friend Dan Macata's tweets.
Speaker 1: You also former SNL writer writer for Joe Pere talks
Speaker 1: with you the tweet of his that I think about
Speaker 1: a lot of time. My grandpa was only okay at rapping,
Speaker 1: but then he got hit by lightning yesterday and he
Speaker 1: has gotten so good at rapping now because blows are
Speaker 1: like if Eminem grew up and did Great depressing. So
Speaker 1: that's calling the Great Depression. The Great depressing is really
Speaker 1: funny to me and followed down lec Twitter dot com. Joel,
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? What is a tweet or
Speaker 1: work of social media you've been enjoying? Yeah, thanks for
Speaker 1: having me back. You can find me over at Comic
Speaker 1: Con metapod. We have some dope episodes, including an entire
Speaker 1: feature with Avatar The Last Airbender including the actors from
Speaker 1: The Last Airbender and Cora and the creators of the show,
Speaker 1: which is really cool. I was, of course outstick with
Speaker 1: COVID when my icons were on, but Hector held it down.
Speaker 1: It's a really dope episode, and we have a Marvel
Speaker 1: themed episode this week which was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: So please go take a listen to that. Why can't
Speaker 1: I find this tweet? I can go and then we
Speaker 1: can come back to Yes, okay, you can find me
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien and a tweet I've
Speaker 1: been enjoying. I wouldn't enjoy a couple uh. Tim Kaczynski
Speaker 1: at tom Uh. No one claim should have all that
Speaker 1: chowder is fun. First person to shoot fish in a barrel.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to describe how easy this
Speaker 1: is from Edward James almost and then acts Western Union
Speaker 1: two K tweeted, customers will say ship like, uh, it's
Speaker 1: asking me to remove my card and I think I've
Speaker 1: said that before. Also, klub Studman tweeted, what the inside
Speaker 1: of my airpod's case looks like is between me and God?
Speaker 1: And I feel that because it is. I don't know
Speaker 1: how it happens. I don't I don't understand, but it
Speaker 1: is not great. It's not good in there. Joel, have
Speaker 1: you found a tweet or work of social media that
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying? I have. This comes from at black
Speaker 1: ass Feminists on Twitter. I'm sorry to Churst are having
Speaker 1: such a difficult time right now. Have you all tried
Speaker 1: building a personality around something other than your dehydrated ask Coucie,
Speaker 1: it might help what to read? Yeah, it's the problem.
Speaker 1: I also like to tweet from Claire. I'm in the
Speaker 1: movie movie come out soon from yesterday. That trailer is
Speaker 1: very funny. So it's like Daddy's home type, Yeah, dad
Speaker 1: and step dad and uh there there are some really
Speaker 1: good quotes. People should go check it out. But yeah, uh.
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Speaker 1: we link off to the information that we talked about
Speaker 1: today's episode, as well as a song that we think
Speaker 1: you might enjoy. Super producer justin do you have one
Speaker 1: for uh? I do? Seeing as how me and my
Speaker 1: sister Joel Monique are moving on Saturday, I figured I
Speaker 1: would play this recommend this song for you, guys. I
Speaker 1: love Neil Soul and it's been doing really well over
Speaker 1: in other countries, um, in Australia and in the UK.
Speaker 1: And there's this band called Jungle that's got a song
Speaker 1: called House in l A. It's a very dope track.
Speaker 1: It's got so much space for the notes to breathe
Speaker 1: and the falsetto vocals on it. They'll just send you
Speaker 1: to another place. So check out this song and House
Speaker 1: in l A by Jungle and you can find that
Speaker 1: in the footnotes. Damn I thought you were gonna do
Speaker 1: Moving Out by Billy Joel. That was a close second.
Speaker 1: Also very cool song. All right. Well, the Daily is like, guys,
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