Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to forty three,
Speaker 1: Episode three of their Daily Guys Say production of I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we taking deep
Speaker 1: to hav into America, share consciousness. It's Wednesday, June, which
Speaker 1: of course means it's National Camera Day. Shout out to
Speaker 1: all the cameras out there. Shout out to everybody taking
Speaker 1: cameras or taking pictures. Yes, not taking cameras or we're
Speaker 1: taking cameras. Yeah, you're going there and go further back.
Speaker 1: National Parchment Day. Wow, anything that we print our pictures onto? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What I thought, that's what it was. But they're talking
Speaker 1: more about like cooking parchment, like parchment paper or like
Speaker 1: cooking thought the yoke. You know. I wonder if the
Speaker 1: National Camera Day honors the cameras on our phones or
Speaker 1: if it's more for the people who like have the
Speaker 1: like camera like digital. You had to know what the
Speaker 1: funk I so you needed when you bought the film, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know what any of that means. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and neither did. I was like, can I have this
Speaker 1: disposable cameras? Leave? It's gonna be a great oh man,
Speaker 1: disposable cameras. What a what a time. Well, my name
Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien. A k thunder never happens in l A. Man,
Speaker 1: I always think that that ship is a trash can.
Speaker 1: Seasons they don't come and they don't go. Oh, but
Speaker 1: we don't get any rain, sleet or snow. That is
Speaker 1: courtesy a wopple house, just making fun of us for
Speaker 1: our inability to figure out what what thunder is. When
Speaker 1: it happens in l A. It's a garbage can. Someone's
Speaker 1: dragging a garbage can. That fancy hotel is called one seasons.
Speaker 1: Out here, it's called anyways. I'm thrilled to be joined
Speaker 1: as always by my co host Mr Miles Ground drink
Speaker 1: three dudes while recording. I drink three dudes at night.
Speaker 1: I drink three dudes while the world burns. It makes
Speaker 1: me feel all right. I drink three dudes. It makes
Speaker 1: me pee and three when I am bored, I drink
Speaker 1: three dudes before I drink three dudes, and then I
Speaker 1: drink three more. Sip mountain dew till the day he died. Okay,
Speaker 1: shout out to fighter of the night man. With that,
Speaker 1: I had to throw my own little sublime flavor on
Speaker 1: that shout out to Long Beach shut Out sublime, So
Speaker 1: just beaches the longest. Yeah, man, you're you're coming. You're
Speaker 1: you're on my do territory. But there's plenty room for
Speaker 1: all of us. I mean you. You were slamming a
Speaker 1: Baja blast during our NBA recording yesterday, so I was impressed.
Speaker 1: I only taste them. I can't slam a full blast
Speaker 1: without like that early in the day, without just fucking
Speaker 1: crashing and having an existential crisis. Wasn't Indiana Jones one
Speaker 1: of those movies like he needed water so bad and
Speaker 1: he was like and he got Oh no, it was
Speaker 1: in the in the beginning of Temple of Doom. I
Speaker 1: think the person is coming back and then you water
Speaker 1: and ship. That's how I'll drink a mountain dew like
Speaker 1: it's just like it's giving me, you know, saving my
Speaker 1: life sometimes. But I'm gonna be off it. I got
Speaker 1: through the twelve pack. I'm not buying another one for
Speaker 1: at least two weeks. Okay, you're holding yourself. You're holding yourself. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's for the twelve pack. When did you buy that
Speaker 1: twelve pack? That was trial? Man? I bought that ship Thursday,
Speaker 1: all right, So twelve pack in a weekend. That's all right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I still I still have the three jewels of the Baja. Blast,
Speaker 1: the yellow, what I'm calling yellow orange, and then blast
Speaker 1: traditional but not good. Yellow is not good. The orange
Speaker 1: is pretty good though, taste a little like pennies, but
Speaker 1: in a good way. Anyways, Miles, good pennies. What are
Speaker 1: we doing here talking to each other when we have
Speaker 1: an esteemed guest, a very talented podcaster, a Next Up
Speaker 1: fellow from Anna Josnie is Next Up Initiative. She was
Speaker 1: formerly a trained esthetician, but since completing the program, has
Speaker 1: moved into podcasting full time. Has a new show out
Speaker 1: on my heart right now. Go listen to it. It's
Speaker 1: called Beauty Translated, which is all about celebrating the trans experience.
Speaker 1: Please welcome, Carmen Lauren Man. Hello, how are you guys? Well,
Speaker 1: we're good. I have to say, as a longtime listener,
Speaker 1: it was very surreal to watch that just now, the
Speaker 1: whole intro, no car, and the fact that we do
Speaker 1: the whole thing just completely dead eyed, looking off into
Speaker 1: the middle distance without moving the fact that it also
Speaker 1: looks like ship, not only kind like it really blew
Speaker 1: me away. Wow. I loved it. It was great. Congrats.
Speaker 1: It's a big day for we know, whenever a podcaster
Speaker 1: has their show go out to the world, it's a
Speaker 1: big day. Congratulations on your show. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Just play that little heart music that Delivery Wards have
Speaker 1: when a baby is born. We do that at my heart.
Speaker 1: Whenever a new podcast is launched into the world, that's
Speaker 1: it comes. That's what it feels like working working on
Speaker 1: it since August. Yeah, it's really nice that it's finally
Speaker 1: out into the world today. So thank you. And tell
Speaker 1: people a little bit about what they can, you know,
Speaker 1: expect from listening to the show, and kind of like
Speaker 1: your background and all that. Yeah, so my background as
Speaker 1: an esthetician. I created the show thinking, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: going to make a show about beauty and about like
Speaker 1: skin care products and cosmetics and things like that. But
Speaker 1: I also really um as a transgender woman. I wanted
Speaker 1: to speak specifically to transgender guests about their experience because
Speaker 1: that's something that I've always found like as an interest.
Speaker 1: As an aesthetician. I in the South, I had to
Speaker 1: pretend to not be trans in order to survive, and
Speaker 1: so this is like the first time where I get
Speaker 1: to kind of talk about those things in a podcast
Speaker 1: where you know, each guest I find that they have something,
Speaker 1: you know, uniquely beautiful about them, but we don't. We're
Speaker 1: not talking about beauty. We're actually talking about much bigger
Speaker 1: talks and conversations that are amazing about their lives all
Speaker 1: of that, and your skin looks fantastic. What is this
Speaker 1: step I can take as a crusty dude, what's the
Speaker 1: first step I could take to begin to be on
Speaker 1: a path of of skin that looks like you know,
Speaker 1: I got like that twilight glow. Well, it always starts
Speaker 1: with prevention. So if you're not preventing sundamage by wearing
Speaker 1: SPF every day, then anything you're doing afterwards is going
Speaker 1: to be just it's not going to have an effect. Okay,
Speaker 1: I got to wear your SPF first and foremost. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that really seems to be the big, the big one.
Speaker 1: It's like, this is boring, but you gotta wear sunscreen
Speaker 1: or just don't go outside. Yeah, ye, all your skin
Speaker 1: aging is caused by by the sun, So don't mom
Speaker 1: my mom Like from the like since the nineties was
Speaker 1: walking was like driving with like four armed gloves. And
Speaker 1: I remember my I remember my my friends been like
Speaker 1: she like a professional driver, like trying to make She's
Speaker 1: Japanese and they don't play with the sun. So yeah, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: so no tans, no, none of that tans tanning. But
Speaker 1: I just got a sunburn actually recently, and I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I almost drowned, So it was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: was like I could have drowned in the ocean or
Speaker 1: it could have gotten a sunburned, so I would have
Speaker 1: taken the sunburn drowning up. We're like, I mean, but
Speaker 1: what does drowning do for your skin? Like that's the question,
Speaker 1: you know, like we have to take that into account.
Speaker 1: Probably not good. Yeah, I feel like the pallor of
Speaker 1: the ones you see in movies or that's what I
Speaker 1: was exactly I was thinking of. And I was like,
Speaker 1: pretty beautiful dead body, but yeah, not great for the
Speaker 1: the old complex as I call it. All Right, Carmen,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a
Speaker 1: couple of the things we're talking about. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about VP. Kamala Harris's appearance on CNN, first appearance since
Speaker 1: Roe was overturned and yeah, just like where where we're at,
Speaker 1: Vice President tell us something, yeah, just yeah, just I
Speaker 1: don't know. We'll talk about it. Was it inspiring, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but maybe to others, not necessarily to me.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about whether it's time for a third party.
Speaker 1: According to a gallop pole in one the American people
Speaker 1: think it is. But you wouldn't know that from looking
Speaker 1: at any corporate media coverage unless you read the New
Speaker 1: York Times article from earlier this month, where they covered
Speaker 1: a third party in New Jersey that is doing the
Speaker 1: important work of creating a more moderate third party in
Speaker 1: in the state of New Jersey, the moderate party. They'll
Speaker 1: cover that, they'll give you a press for that. We'll
Speaker 1: just we'll talk about that. We'll also talk about twinkies
Speaker 1: new dollar twink coin, twink coin feature. Twink Coin is
Speaker 1: what they call it. It is a twinkie with the
Speaker 1: shape of I would say cake, but they seem to
Speaker 1: think it's the shape of a three dimensional coin. And
Speaker 1: it's a bad idea, presumably like they started it before
Speaker 1: Bitcoin had totally imploded, but it's it's wild and we'll
Speaker 1: revisit Hostess's recent history of going bankrupt, blaming unions, firing
Speaker 1: everybody in the union, and automating all the jobs, just
Speaker 1: so so you know where they're coming from on this
Speaker 1: twink coin thing, all of that, plenty more, Carmen, have
Speaker 1: you seen Top Gun? I have not that. My boyfriend
Speaker 1: just told me that his father is going to drag
Speaker 1: him to see it this weekend, so I will be
Speaker 1: seeing it through him, all right, Miles, you still haven't
Speaker 1: seen all right? No, no, I've got it. We've we've
Speaker 1: had a top Gun story at the bottom of the
Speaker 1: dock for a couple of weeks. Now, Also, are are
Speaker 1: are did you finish our our our mark? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did. I did. I'll watch Top Gun soon enough
Speaker 1: because I know I don't need to. I don't need
Speaker 1: to watch that, all right, So we'll get to that,
Speaker 1: but just not today, because we would love to get
Speaker 1: to know you better and ask you, Carmen, what is
Speaker 1: something from your search history? So I looked at my
Speaker 1: search history just a little while before, while ago before
Speaker 1: we got on, and I have like four different breeds
Speaker 1: of Japanese dogs in my search history right now, and
Speaker 1: I guess to kind of explain that. Every morning I
Speaker 1: start out my morning by watching on YouTube these different
Speaker 1: like dog YouTube videos. That's like I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is, but it started sometime during the pandemic. But
Speaker 1: there's like seven different Sheba news I have to check
Speaker 1: on every morning before I can start my day. So
Speaker 1: these are update videos from the shoe. It's not like
Speaker 1: you have the same videos you watch every same time.
Speaker 1: Are dispatches from yeah, so that they're very specific sheba
Speaker 1: you know, yes, exactly. They're very specific dog and it's
Speaker 1: like specific families in Japan they post like a five
Speaker 1: to ten minute video of their dogs every day and
Speaker 1: I'm just like hooked on it. Yeah, I mean she
Speaker 1: but they're they're they're like they're they're so cute looking,
Speaker 1: you know, like their faces are cute and then like
Speaker 1: their tail, like the whole thing. It's like a it's
Speaker 1: hard to look at a sheba and be like, you know,
Speaker 1: like yeah, like one of my family friends have like
Speaker 1: had does she But you know, like when we were
Speaker 1: like kids and we were it was I always been
Speaker 1: like I love this dog. It's like it's it's like
Speaker 1: feels like a cartoon dog or something like it has
Speaker 1: this it exists in another dimension. I feel like when
Speaker 1: you look at that she but you know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: and if you google she you know, you will get
Speaker 1: a bunch of updates about crypto dot com, she been
Speaker 1: you knew others from arton program she but you know
Speaker 1: price today to usd Live, market cap and chart. So
Speaker 1: we've lost their humanity. We might as well be We
Speaker 1: might as well be like the robots from Terminator, like
Speaker 1: what what what do we do? This better than that?
Speaker 1: Right right at this point? So what's market cap? What's
Speaker 1: market cap on Sheba? You know? Right? The dogs? The coin? Like,
Speaker 1: so how you've been following these four dogs for like
Speaker 1: over a year. It sounds like, oh, it's like I
Speaker 1: gained a new one like every month, Like I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's this other channel. Um so I've got like eight
Speaker 1: different Sheba new families I check on now and they're
Speaker 1: all based in Japan and they're all it's all in Japanese,
Speaker 1: but some of them put captions up so they'll be
Speaker 1: talking about what is happening. But yeah, I just love
Speaker 1: checking on these dogs. And I started researching she Pooh,
Speaker 1: which is like a Sheba knew mixed with a poodle.
Speaker 1: Because the only thing that holds me back from getting
Speaker 1: Sheba knew is their double coat or their undercoat? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm a person. Yeah, and and um they
Speaker 1: hit the shed a lot. Yeah mm hmm. So she
Speaker 1: coos are non shedding but have the energy? Are they
Speaker 1: like hypologenetic like a like a Budles kind of Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is what apparently what they claim. But they're really hard
Speaker 1: to find, so right, yeah, but um, I would love
Speaker 1: to have one, you know, but you don't just find
Speaker 1: those running down the street. You know, you got you
Speaker 1: gotta go exactly. They're like, no, this one was running
Speaker 1: down the street. Now, yeah, what's the what's something you
Speaker 1: think is overrated? So I actually wrote down too overrated things,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna flip one of them into an underrated
Speaker 1: I wasn't really good at that, but um my overrated.
Speaker 1: I've been seeing this a lot lately, and especially now
Speaker 1: with Rovie Wade being overturned. But I've been seeing like
Speaker 1: news articles and stuff like celebrating corporations who are you know,
Speaker 1: being like, hey, well we'll help you get an abortion
Speaker 1: if you need an abortion, or will help you get
Speaker 1: gender affirming care if you need gender affirming care, and
Speaker 1: that of course, you know Starbucks, and all of all
Speaker 1: of that has been saying, oh, we'll help you get
Speaker 1: gender affirming care or an abortion if you need it.
Speaker 1: But what all of those things are failing to mention
Speaker 1: is that there they won't do that if you try
Speaker 1: to unionize, you know, and I see like other queer people,
Speaker 1: other people I know, like sharing these things and like
Speaker 1: celebrating these companies when I really kind of look at
Speaker 1: it as like a manipulation tactic, which totally well and
Speaker 1: also just a weird dystopian world too. Right, we're even
Speaker 1: aside from them doing like well, this will stay off
Speaker 1: unionizing and like collective action, it's more like that we're
Speaker 1: moving towards the place where like who's your overlord and
Speaker 1: do they have gender affirming care? Like oh, the company
Speaker 1: that I labor for gives me these rights, And it's
Speaker 1: almost like wait, so now like things that we're looking
Speaker 1: at its fundamental health care rights are now like perk
Speaker 1: for a job, and I think like to your point,
Speaker 1: that's where it also looks like it's like a head
Speaker 1: fuck where you have to think of like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: they work for Spotify, so like they're not going to
Speaker 1: help with like IVF, like whereas this company does or
Speaker 1: like this place doesn't. Oh they don't. Yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: pay for asthma mets at home depot like like supports
Speaker 1: your bodily autonomy. Right, come on, be named after a
Speaker 1: literal underground railroad, but we will actually take you because
Speaker 1: you imagine that's what subway is. Like woke campaign is
Speaker 1: like you know what is all technically an underground railroad
Speaker 1: and they're like, no subway, huh no, no, don't do that.
Speaker 1: But we're only five think there are only three election
Speaker 1: cycles away from that ship everywhere the like that that
Speaker 1: is like the direction that it feels like the logical
Speaker 1: conclusion of this version of America is the corporate pr
Speaker 1: like wins and like you know, just doing things that
Speaker 1: get social media attention, like just you know, flash bang
Speaker 1: individual acts of kindness that get everybody's attention in order
Speaker 1: to win PR points and like that is what people
Speaker 1: are like wholl see like where it's not all bad
Speaker 1: and yeah it's it's a fucking nightmare. And not to
Speaker 1: mention how weird it is that you would have to
Speaker 1: tell your employer that you need an abortion and hope
Speaker 1: that your employer doesn't like hold that over your head
Speaker 1: at any point in the future, you know, in the
Speaker 1: states that are trying to prosecute against people getting right
Speaker 1: and yeah we are, you are. I mean plenty of
Speaker 1: examples like fucked up workplace coersion, like not that dimension
Speaker 1: is like like now we own you. Yeah, all roads
Speaker 1: lead to funked up Jersey Mike's your secrets safe with us? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What is something you think is underrated? That was great,
Speaker 1: That was pretty great as long as you keep making
Speaker 1: those sandwiches, you know. But yeah, so something I think
Speaker 1: that is underrated? And I kind of see an overlap
Speaker 1: here with people speaking on like abortion rights and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But um, I think trans amorous men who
Speaker 1: are silent on trans rights, so same kind of issue.
Speaker 1: I feel like when there's a lot of CIS men
Speaker 1: who are silent on reproductive rights that benefit from reproductive rights,
Speaker 1: I feel like there are a lot of transamorous men
Speaker 1: meaning men who um are attracted to trans women, maybe
Speaker 1: privately or secretly or whatever, but they, you know, when
Speaker 1: our rights are being taken away, you know, don't do
Speaker 1: anything to help us, right, Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: like the the dimensions of like misogyny, you know, like
Speaker 1: at work, like even how something like someone an uncritically
Speaker 1: thinking sis man had man looks at like what the
Speaker 1: issues that are happening now, and most seem to be like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, that sucks for them. They're like that
Speaker 1: sucks but like for them and not completely understanding what
Speaker 1: that relationship is to your own financial stability, to your
Speaker 1: own ability to procreate, to have a family when you
Speaker 1: want to, or even that like you even look at
Speaker 1: the act of procreation as a thing that is has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with you, you know, And I think
Speaker 1: that's Yeah, I think a lot of you know that
Speaker 1: that's a huge thing that's missing from a lot of
Speaker 1: like sis heet men who like look at this and
Speaker 1: like think they're doing a good job from like saying
Speaker 1: like I support this without really like really absorbing the
Speaker 1: gravity of what this means. Like there are people who
Speaker 1: point to like, you know, how how societies that don't
Speaker 1: protect the rights of the people who can be pregnant
Speaker 1: that leads to more social disorder like that and that
Speaker 1: does that will affect everybody, doesn't matter whether or not
Speaker 1: you can get And you know, I think, yeah, more
Speaker 1: people need to have to broaden there perspective A lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was one of the things. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's even gonna come up in our kind
Speaker 1: of analysis of the Harris CNN interview, but it opens
Speaker 1: like the first thing that VP Harris says is like
Speaker 1: a minute long list of like well as a mother
Speaker 1: of daughters, as a daughter of a mother, as a
Speaker 1: like grand you know, and if you have sons. Like
Speaker 1: it was just all an appeal around individualism and like
Speaker 1: how this affects you individually. That is, you know, obviously
Speaker 1: very American, and but also I feel I do think
Speaker 1: that that is misunderstanding and underestimating the American people that like,
Speaker 1: in order for them to understand and care about human
Speaker 1: who don't have like who are being deprived of the
Speaker 1: right to live, like to to live like full stop,
Speaker 1: like that you have to be like well put trying
Speaker 1: to think about like someone that you have a personal
Speaker 1: interest in, and then like, I I don't think that's
Speaker 1: actually the case, and I think it's actually like diminishing
Speaker 1: your point when you do that. But yeah, that is
Speaker 1: very frustrating or like at least normalizes the perspective. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: if you don't have this like sort of parallel experience,
Speaker 1: then I don't, then we don't expect you to get it.
Speaker 1: But if you do, then hey, you have a parallel experience,
Speaker 1: And now you need to think about that. And it's
Speaker 1: not just about that, like truly again, it's about having
Speaker 1: the kind of empathy to know the only thing that
Speaker 1: most people need to be doing is would I want
Speaker 1: that ship to happen to fucking meat regardless of if
Speaker 1: I can, if I can give birth or be pregnant.
Speaker 1: Do I want somebody running my fucking ship? Like, do
Speaker 1: I want somebody telling me when I can ship, what
Speaker 1: I have, how I can cut my hair, who I
Speaker 1: could talk to, or how I dress or whatever. No,
Speaker 1: So if that's the case, then you have to fucking
Speaker 1: you have to take ship like that that's happening to
Speaker 1: other groups that you might not belong to in the
Speaker 1: same way to say, that's a fucking affront to me,
Speaker 1: because the only way I see like a world worth
Speaker 1: living in is one where at the very least, we
Speaker 1: don't limit people's ability to just fucking be who they
Speaker 1: are and do what they believe is best. In there there,
Speaker 1: everybody's just living in their own fucking body, And you
Speaker 1: have the right to fucking steer that ship. However the
Speaker 1: funk you need to to be happy and like to
Speaker 1: start being like, well, you know, I need to you know,
Speaker 1: my ancient sheets of paper say this that, and it
Speaker 1: shouldn't be about that. We really need to just like
Speaker 1: all across the board understand that if a single group
Speaker 1: of people are is experiencing oppression or having their rights
Speaker 1: taken away, you're in the same fucking line. You might
Speaker 1: just be down the line and being sitting in the
Speaker 1: comfort that your number doesn't get called in the next
Speaker 1: five rounds or whatever, but that ship will get to
Speaker 1: you eventually. And if you're and and you're a fool
Speaker 1: to allow people at the front of the line to
Speaker 1: get fucking trampled on, and then you have the luxury
Speaker 1: of getting your ship together fucking thirty years too late.
Speaker 1: I do have some breaking news on Twitter though, Jersey
Speaker 1: Mike got a vasect of me. So Jersey Mike is
Speaker 1: a ally and safe test sex. Oh my god. Well
Speaker 1: here in Atlanta, somebody just got shot at a subway
Speaker 1: for putting too much mayo on a subway sandwich. What
Speaker 1: a sub controversy going on, right, Yeah, yeah, A lot
Speaker 1: of sub sub subway happening. Yeah, alright, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll be right back, and we're back, and yeah,
Speaker 1: let's dig into it. The big interview VP Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: one on CNN and just kind of walked through her
Speaker 1: experience with the news and I don't know, it didn't
Speaker 1: seem like she was inspired to action. So I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like, I don't know, it wasn't reassuring. I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think just to set the table, right, this is
Speaker 1: the first time she she's making an appearance to speak officially. Right,
Speaker 1: it's like against the backdrop of AOC calling for abortion clinics,
Speaker 1: and I mean many people saying why don't you open
Speaker 1: abortion clinics on federal land in red states? Or Elizabeth
Speaker 1: Warren saying the same thing, like you could declare a
Speaker 1: medical emergency to set up medical clinics like near national parks,
Speaker 1: near federal land and try and at least create a
Speaker 1: place for for people to get care. So while all
Speaker 1: that's happening, this is what you know, the question, This
Speaker 1: is the line of questioning, and this is the response
Speaker 1: that we get from Vice President Harris. Federal land that
Speaker 1: might be in and around states that ban abortion I
Speaker 1: think that what is most important right now is that
Speaker 1: we ensure that the restrictions that the states are trying
Speaker 1: to put up um that would prohibit a woman from
Speaker 1: exercising what we still maintain is her right that we
Speaker 1: do everything we can to empower women to not only
Speaker 1: seek but to receive the care where it is available.
Speaker 1: It's a federal land one of those options. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not right now what we are discussing, but I
Speaker 1: will say that when I think about what is happening
Speaker 1: in terms of the States, we have to also recognize, Dana,
Speaker 1: that we are a hundred and thirty odd days away
Speaker 1: from an election, which is going to include Senate races. Right.
Speaker 1: Part of the issue here is that the Court has acted,
Speaker 1: now Congress needs to act. But we if you count
Speaker 1: the votes, don't appear to have the votes in the Senate. Well,
Speaker 1: there's an election happening in a hundred and thirty odd
Speaker 1: days and I'm taking, for example, thinking of a Senate
Speaker 1: race in Georgia or Okay, So we just took a
Speaker 1: hard turn into electoral town when the question was what
Speaker 1: can be done to help people that are in immediate need?
Speaker 1: And it was just a lot of pivoting and fairness
Speaker 1: to Kamala, right, there are some issues with providing like
Speaker 1: there there are issues of providing abortion care on federal land.
Speaker 1: That's like the High Amendment is the whole thing. Like
Speaker 1: the High Amendment prohibits federal funds from being used for
Speaker 1: abortions only in the event of like rape or incests
Speaker 1: or to save the life of the mother, so that
Speaker 1: that's the time the High the federal funds can be used.
Speaker 1: So it's thorny, right because immediately I'd imagine these red
Speaker 1: states would going like the High Amendment or whatever. But
Speaker 1: you know, when you think about it, and the High
Speaker 1: Amendment has been an obstacle that a lot of activists
Speaker 1: and people who are advocating for abortion acts have been like,
Speaker 1: you have to get rid of this, because if you
Speaker 1: get rid of that, that allows for safer access, especially
Speaker 1: for poor people. That's who really benefits from federal funds
Speaker 1: being able to be used to provide this kind of care. Sadly,
Speaker 1: just to go back a year and a half or
Speaker 1: so two years, Joe Biden was the only presidential candidate
Speaker 1: that supported keeping the High Amendment, and he only pivoted
Speaker 1: when it became politically beneficial to him, if only right,
Speaker 1: that was something that he could have even done in
Speaker 1: the beginning of taking off taking office. That may put
Speaker 1: more options on the table. The other thing is like,
Speaker 1: I just don't understand the response from from the Vice president.
Speaker 1: If she was she unaware of the problems that would
Speaker 1: arise with what Elizabeth Warren and Alexandriacazio Cortez were proposing,
Speaker 1: and if you and if you were not unaware, and
Speaker 1: you were aware, why not explain those issues, provide you know,
Speaker 1: articulated alternative and demonstrate to people, at least on some
Speaker 1: level that there is some thought going into this. And
Speaker 1: I don't like again that she said the priority right
Speaker 1: now is to fight the restrictions that are being put
Speaker 1: in place. Well, there are in place already, and there
Speaker 1: are people already turning away people looking for this kind
Speaker 1: of care and their lives are potentially hanging in the balance.
Speaker 1: So what like, what is happening? What are you telling
Speaker 1: the people right now like that need that needs some
Speaker 1: kind of alternative? That's why like there where is that
Speaker 1: sense of urgency? I'm and it really it just it
Speaker 1: freaks me out to hear somebody be like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: there is an election in a hundred thirty days. It's
Speaker 1: straight up like it's like be a shame if type
Speaker 1: type ship like it's it's straight up feels like you're
Speaker 1: being extorted to go vote. And it's not like they're
Speaker 1: going to be very disappointed if that is their their strategy,
Speaker 1: but that that does not inspire confidence to be like
Speaker 1: this time, we swear we're going to do the thing
Speaker 1: that we said. We're most voters unfortunately on our on
Speaker 1: their first I swear you know, like and I and
Speaker 1: I and not to say that like don't fucking do this,
Speaker 1: but it is it. It's a very effective tactic. It's
Speaker 1: a very effective tactic. I mean, we talked about just
Speaker 1: the poll the swing and the polling that happened because
Speaker 1: there it is a very effective tactic and and it
Speaker 1: just it really fucking it freaks me out again to
Speaker 1: know that there are people right now. There's there's even
Speaker 1: that woman in Malta right who's like couldn't get an
Speaker 1: abortion to save her life but had to get like
Speaker 1: flown to Spain, uh to to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: There are people right now who need help literally right
Speaker 1: this second, in places where they cannot get it, And
Speaker 1: I don't like that that proposition because that proposition is
Speaker 1: always put in front of politicians. There are always just
Speaker 1: like in the summer, all their people of color who
Speaker 1: are at risk of being killed by police. We need
Speaker 1: to address this right now. There are people all these
Speaker 1: transphobic bills that are popping up in schools. We need
Speaker 1: a response right now. But it's just like I think
Speaker 1: they don't want to also signal like independence or moderates
Speaker 1: who are undecided that like we're not like full on
Speaker 1: some like live ship and we're just gonna come through
Speaker 1: with some sweeping like we saved the women type ship
Speaker 1: if that was the issue. This is a overwhelmingly popular
Speaker 1: like the overturning of rows, like wildly unpopular, like that's
Speaker 1: always been my thing is like they, yes, America's like
Speaker 1: a moderate country, more moderate than me. They're probably like
Speaker 1: do have some math behind the scenes, but like this
Speaker 1: one is like a open and shut like we act
Speaker 1: now to fix the thing that will make us more popular,
Speaker 1: and rather than fixing the thing becoming more popular now,
Speaker 1: they are doing the we can't fix it too fast.
Speaker 1: We gotta hold it out there as the thing we
Speaker 1: could do if we voted and not that like it's easy. Like,
Speaker 1: I right, there's probably problems with all the solutions that
Speaker 1: people are suggesting right now that would be made easier
Speaker 1: if there were more Democrats in the Senate, in the House.
Speaker 1: But like, fight, we need to see you fight. We
Speaker 1: need to see you have ideas that are strong and
Speaker 1: like prove that you're willing to do difficult things to
Speaker 1: to help people too. Yeah, just like don't miss me
Speaker 1: with the voting ship. Like what in your heavily fucking
Speaker 1: Jerrymander district where they've already are the architects of your
Speaker 1: demise and are ensuring your vote doesn't count. That's that's
Speaker 1: also a problem to Democrats if your insistence is on
Speaker 1: this mechanism of electoral politics, you haven't even fucking god,
Speaker 1: they're not even playing on a level playing field there,
Speaker 1: and you're still like, hey, do hey, do the thing
Speaker 1: where it's terribly skewed in the opposite direction and not
Speaker 1: even address that dysfunction. It just feels there's like so
Speaker 1: many layers to get through, like where you're just find
Speaker 1: yourself burnt out trying to think of what what's going
Speaker 1: to work. Yeah, it's like they just kind of threw
Speaker 1: their hands up and we're like, just the messages. All
Speaker 1: that they have to say is go vote. But again,
Speaker 1: like you know, if you're like, you're saying miles if
Speaker 1: you live somewhere like for example, Georgia, where they just
Speaker 1: made it illegal, for example, to pass out bottles of
Speaker 1: water to people waiting in line, but not illegal for
Speaker 1: you to have to wait in line for over eight
Speaker 1: hours to cast a vote. You know, like that doesn't
Speaker 1: that doesn't do anything, but just continue to frustrate people.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm frustrated, and you know what, and people
Speaker 1: are they reveal themselves to be resilient because despite that,
Speaker 1: they'll still go and participate in this process because the
Speaker 1: message typically is your fucking life's on the line right now,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people hear that, and it sucks
Speaker 1: that we're part of this deal is dangling existential threats
Speaker 1: over people's head. But there's no how can we to
Speaker 1: my and accountability back aside from them being like, oh,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Let the fucking fascist fully
Speaker 1: take over? And that's like such a terrible fork in
Speaker 1: the road to constantly to look at and you're like,
Speaker 1: where is another fork? It's not a long term strategy
Speaker 1: for making the lives of the people who you govern better,
Speaker 1: which is supposed to be your job. It's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's how do I stay here? How do I stay here?
Speaker 1: How do I stay here? How do I stay in
Speaker 1: this office? There's also part of the interview where she's like,
Speaker 1: it's one thing to like know it's gonna happen, but
Speaker 1: it's another to like actually have it happen, which is
Speaker 1: definitely true. But it's like, that's that's true for me,
Speaker 1: like as somebody who like doesn't isn't the vice president
Speaker 1: of the United States, But like I would have expected
Speaker 1: there to be things in the works immediately, Like they
Speaker 1: had their trigger laws ready to go when uh ROW
Speaker 1: was overturned. What about like how did this not trigger
Speaker 1: just a whole fucking well, you know, we just assumed
Speaker 1: we'd be able to hurricane of lawsuits and like everything
Speaker 1: like it just it really feels like I I don't
Speaker 1: know who did the leak, but it does feel like
Speaker 1: the leak worked really well for the conservative side, and
Speaker 1: that they did it. They saw that the you know,
Speaker 1: mainstream Democratic Party was not going to scramble to like
Speaker 1: do what was necessary to make sure that like, this
Speaker 1: ship was not going to happen and it was not
Speaker 1: going to kill people. They gave them bodyguards, right and
Speaker 1: then yeah, and so they were like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: I guess we can go with the strongest version of
Speaker 1: this possible. And the people who are like the head
Speaker 1: of the executive branch would be like, oh, man, I
Speaker 1: didn't really think they were going to do it with
Speaker 1: the the heck, that's come on for real, for real.
Speaker 1: They've done everything they said they were going to do. Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and and who who and who's And now what they're
Speaker 1: gonna say is you know what happens if the sentence
Speaker 1: they get a majority, They're gonna nuke the filibuster and
Speaker 1: go for a total a national ban on abortion. Yeah
Speaker 1: wow almost Like yeah, y'all should have done that first.
Speaker 1: And what the funk were you doing? You were you
Speaker 1: guys were circle jerking around the fucking ancient racist tradition
Speaker 1: of the filibuster and like, oh we can, I mean
Speaker 1: insisted would just be so out of norms to guarantee
Speaker 1: people voting rights to be able to get lunched together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and guess what, they don't give a fuck and like
Speaker 1: stop acting like wake the funk up that anyway, So
Speaker 1: lots on the plates. Yeah, lots on the plate. This
Speaker 1: makes me wonder, like what's happening with I don't know,
Speaker 1: I like it just keeps coming up to like in
Speaker 1: my mind over and over over the past year. Okay,
Speaker 1: so what about it? Or party? And I hear mostly
Speaker 1: from I hear from both sides, like both sides of
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, both like the you know left and
Speaker 1: you know, the mainstream like that it's not feasible, but
Speaker 1: I I really feel like just this past experience of
Speaker 1: watching the New York Times like report the opposite results
Speaker 1: of the l A election, the l A Democratic primary
Speaker 1: like that. So much of the issue is that, like
Speaker 1: the media, the mainstream media would is like in the
Speaker 1: pocket of the mainstream Democratic Party. I'm like, that just
Speaker 1: deprives any sort of movement of oxygen. But I I
Speaker 1: also feel like there is a an amount of energy
Speaker 1: for a third party that is like to the left
Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party, Like that would shock people, and
Speaker 1: that would you know, we saw it with the Sanders campaign,
Speaker 1: we saw with the Black Lives Matter movement. We've seen
Speaker 1: it like the there's these movements, there's this energy and
Speaker 1: then the media just like is like okay, okay, let's
Speaker 1: go back to being realistic. Well, it's always to funnel
Speaker 1: that energy into the Democratic Party, right you know, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're doing that. We're doing that. So yeah yeah, like
Speaker 1: right over here, right over here, and right over got
Speaker 1: him again, got him again and again. In one of
Speaker 1: Americans said a third party is needed versus thirty three
Speaker 1: saying Democrats first Republicans, whoever wins, we all lose, is
Speaker 1: an adequate solution. And that's so again, it's like a
Speaker 1: a majority want third parties. Now a big part of
Speaker 1: that majority are people who are like, we need Trump
Speaker 1: to start his own party. That's fine, but it's you
Speaker 1: don't want to wait around for them to launch their
Speaker 1: like extremist nazi third party and not have a solution
Speaker 1: on the left that is going to be there for
Speaker 1: if if the Democrats choose for their solution to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we're the only other option, so you know
Speaker 1: that like that is what they're hoping is going to happen.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that's why these Gallop poll results were even
Speaker 1: allowed to be like uh published was because it's so
Speaker 1: strongly pushed by extremist Republicans and like the mainstream Democratic
Speaker 1: Party would benefit if the Republicans like broke off into
Speaker 1: two different branches. But the Democratic Party like just in
Speaker 1: terms of like the direction the energy is flowing in
Speaker 1: this country, the direction that like things events are moving,
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party is dying and like there there's no future.
Speaker 1: They're like, there's not a future there with this current
Speaker 1: strategy of just being the alternative that it's the younger
Speaker 1: members that are are the closest ones to articulating things
Speaker 1: that like resonate with people. Were like, yeah, like which
Speaker 1: the difference which is like, yes, it's bad, that's all
Speaker 1: we want. Yeah, I just want to hear some I
Speaker 1: don't fucking don't blow smoke in my direction with this
Speaker 1: like we're the best nation and we're full of hope,
Speaker 1: just say, man, we're pretty we're really far off from
Speaker 1: taking care of people properly here. We're really really far off.
Speaker 1: And that's that's a failure to not be able to
Speaker 1: take care of people in this country when we have
Speaker 1: so much money. Yeah, and that's what I think people
Speaker 1: need to start hearing criticisms of the Democratic Party as
Speaker 1: not like fuck Nancy, Like yeah, there's anchored there towards
Speaker 1: a lot of the leadership, but the anger comes from
Speaker 1: a place where people say, we deserve fucking better, not
Speaker 1: I hate I hate equality, or I hate these concepts,
Speaker 1: and I hate anything that's moving towards that. We're people
Speaker 1: who are critical are saying this ship does not move
Speaker 1: quickly enough, and and the and because of the luxury
Speaker 1: of again, like people on the margins getting chewed up first,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's easier to sort of come just sort
Speaker 1: of repeat this pattern. It's um, yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: that's it's it's it's all about just knowing that there
Speaker 1: is a bare minimum that we deserve, and we all
Speaker 1: feel like we deserve and we're not getting it, and
Speaker 1: there's just gonna be somebody who can. Right now, we're
Speaker 1: at a place where everyone's feeling a very similar thing.
Speaker 1: And the only like you said, like we've always said,
Speaker 1: and Jack can talked about this only the only a lot,
Speaker 1: which is the people giving some alternative is hey, you
Speaker 1: like fascism, Yeah, that's there. There's Democrat Republican politics and
Speaker 1: people are like and then you have fascists who are like,
Speaker 1: what if we fucking ran the board? And now, I mean,
Speaker 1: to their credit, the Republican Party, I think just became
Speaker 1: that third party of nowhere that Democrats don't already don't
Speaker 1: know how to deal with, right yeah yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I also hear from the left
Speaker 1: a lot of people being like, it will never happen
Speaker 1: at a federal level. Look at the Sanders campaign, And
Speaker 1: the Sanders campaign just proved that there's like a like
Speaker 1: to me, it just proved there is a shipload of energy.
Speaker 1: The mainstream media will not cover it, but like now
Speaker 1: we know that, you know, now we know it's a
Speaker 1: slanted playing field, and like, let's find the next Sanders
Speaker 1: and launch another national campaign. I don't know. I also
Speaker 1: don't know what the funk I'm talking about. Like I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not an expert in this, but like we
Speaker 1: have AOC, we have like all these you know, younger
Speaker 1: politicians who like, like, we just gotta keep trying because
Speaker 1: the like, there is, the energy is there. The ideas
Speaker 1: are the right ideas, like the ideas that people actually
Speaker 1: want in this country. But I, like, I I just
Speaker 1: feel like a like we we've kind of crept into
Speaker 1: this idea. They're like, well, but it's a it's a nonstarter,
Speaker 1: and it's actually much more popular. It's just that you
Speaker 1: won't be able to read about it in any corporate
Speaker 1: media unless you're talking, of course, about the moderate third
Speaker 1: party in New Jersey, which is focused on changing the
Speaker 1: law on New Jersey. Basically, they just endorse candidates who
Speaker 1: are in the center from Republican and Democratic parties. It's
Speaker 1: called like fusion voting or something, so they they don't
Speaker 1: even like launch a an actual candidate. What they do
Speaker 1: is they endorse Democrats and Republicans. That was worthy of
Speaker 1: like thousands of words from the New York Times. But
Speaker 1: that they're doing are they splitting votes for progressives? Right
Speaker 1: that that basically and using this fucking you know, specter
Speaker 1: of moderate Five days after publishing the article about the
Speaker 1: New Jersey Moderate Party, they published the one about how
Speaker 1: Crusoe's excess was the result of a backlash against progressive politics.
Speaker 1: Turns up, Crusoe was notably not successful in his Democratic
Speaker 1: primary run, and that there were a bunch of like
Speaker 1: ds A candidates, like third party candidates that would have
Speaker 1: been much more compelling story to write about. That they
Speaker 1: have aggressively ignored since since that time. So yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: The corporate media is like the enemy like that. It
Speaker 1: is the biggest enemy I think right now to progress,
Speaker 1: and but we we just need to recognize that and
Speaker 1: move forward like with that in mind. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say moderate politics pissed me off so much, Like it's
Speaker 1: like you don't stand for really anything. It's like I'm
Speaker 1: almost less piste off by people that are so far right.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like at least two are you know,
Speaker 1: passionate about some kinds of energy. They're right, even if
Speaker 1: it is my death right exactly. Wow, this these moderates
Speaker 1: are like, oh just please just not around me, just
Speaker 1: like to go back to my comfort of my life.
Speaker 1: But I mean, like to the point about the media,
Speaker 1: I mean, like the way it functions. It's it's like
Speaker 1: it's like watching a foreign language film and you need
Speaker 1: subtitles to understand what's going on. But if the sub
Speaker 1: like if you don't know the language being spoken and
Speaker 1: the subtitles are skewed, you don't might you might not
Speaker 1: really know what the fucking movie is about. You're like, well,
Speaker 1: the pictures look that way, and uh, it seems based
Speaker 1: on the dialogue they're ridding writing that this could be
Speaker 1: what is being communicated. But if that's not accurately reflecting
Speaker 1: what's happening, people aren't going to understand what the funk
Speaker 1: is up. And that's the hard bit is about people
Speaker 1: really getting to a point to like understand that there's
Speaker 1: so much more that has to be done aside from
Speaker 1: this like simple idea that it's just about getting out November.
Speaker 1: M All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back, and we're back, and it is of course
Speaker 1: time to talk about twink coin baby, a line of
Speaker 1: coin shaped and I'm putting that in quotes because I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily agree Twinkies that were clearly pitched before crypto
Speaker 1: completely imploded are just hitting the market. It's it's dollar
Speaker 1: signed twink, twink all in caps and then coin all over.
Speaker 1: Case they didn't know that there was a word twink
Speaker 1: in you know, the gay community, and apparently or did
Speaker 1: they or did or possibly they did. People are speculating like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe this is there attempt to go viral, but but
Speaker 1: this is a real thing. This isn't like a fucking
Speaker 1: weird viral bit. No, no, no, no no. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there there's with more than twelve thousand cryptocurrencies from which
Speaker 1: to choose, twink Coin is the best investment to satisfy
Speaker 1: your snacking needs. Founded in, twin Coin was baked to
Speaker 1: create an opulent snacking golden treasure for any occasion, the
Speaker 1: brand says, So it's yeah, like people people are definitely
Speaker 1: asking that question of like is it is it a
Speaker 1: twinkie just in a in a hockey puck shape, that's
Speaker 1: it's a Twinkie hockey puck shape, And they call it
Speaker 1: twink coin because they're so out of touch that they
Speaker 1: don't know anything about what's happening in June that they
Speaker 1: want to announce this. They don't know anything about finance
Speaker 1: because there there. I'm sorry, man, every single thing that's
Speaker 1: pulling up on this Web three ship right now is
Speaker 1: the saddest ship to me. Like the jig is up,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's the jig is sucking up, and you're really still
Speaker 1: out here trying to normalize this ship. Like what happened
Speaker 1: in this host Is board room where someone was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: if we can just get in on the normalizing of
Speaker 1: crypto fucking train, like other companies that don't really help
Speaker 1: our collective stockport full. I don't know what the fun
Speaker 1: they're thinking. So I generally have a hard time like
Speaker 1: feeling joy at other people's misery, but like the all
Speaker 1: the web three like late to the game people right
Speaker 1: now are I I can feel I've given myself permission
Speaker 1: to fully just revel in in their misery and how
Speaker 1: stupid they look right now? This is this is wonderful. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm so confused by the photos. So did they also
Speaker 1: release a line like that you can purchase in the
Speaker 1: store of like twink coin pastries or is it this
Speaker 1: is a cryptocurrency? No, no, it's a pastry crypto name.
Speaker 1: I know. That's what's so fucking confusing because they're using
Speaker 1: like the dollar sign and ship okay, okay, okay, so
Speaker 1: this is not a cryptocurrency. This is okay. So I
Speaker 1: was like, is this sweakies crypto dot com? If I
Speaker 1: if I to guess, I think they were planning to
Speaker 1: launch a cryptocurrency with along with this, and then every
Speaker 1: the whole industry shipped the bed and they were like, psych,
Speaker 1: it's oh wow, wow, Well that's a pivot. That's a
Speaker 1: fun pivot. So I did y'all remember that, Like Twinkies
Speaker 1: were supposedly like extinct about ten years ago. So in
Speaker 1: I remember seeing this news story Hostess declare bankruptcy, and
Speaker 1: we're like you, the death of Twinkies. You'll never be
Speaker 1: able to have a twinkie again. Go out and buy
Speaker 1: twinkies because, like they they will be in a museum
Speaker 1: one day. And also when they're in a museum like
Speaker 1: hundred years from now, you will still be able to
Speaker 1: eat them because they're unholy combinations of chemicals that the
Speaker 1: CIA doesn't even know exists that will keep them for
Speaker 1: and spongy up until the earth burns to a crisp
Speaker 1: the we will all be floating through space as dust,
Speaker 1: and Twinkies will be wholly intact right next to us.
Speaker 1: But anyways, they they they framed it as a worker
Speaker 1: strike was killing twinkies. And you'll never guess which side
Speaker 1: the corporate media took in this one, the workers. I'll
Speaker 1: read a direct quote from from the l At times,
Speaker 1: when will employers and workers stop acting like adversaries and
Speaker 1: learned that they are on the same side. CNN straight
Speaker 1: up claimed that these striking workers were killing your twinkies.
Speaker 1: Strike threat at Hostess could kill off Twinkies. MSNBC claimed
Speaker 1: that the death of Twinkies would reflect so badly on
Speaker 1: the workers that it would kill the union movement. Have
Speaker 1: Twinkies killed the union movement? That is a headline from
Speaker 1: Mark Coba at CNBC. And so the Hostess executives meanwhile,
Speaker 1: at that time were shockingly, uh, just evil pieces of ship.
Speaker 1: While all this was going on, the CEO tripled his
Speaker 1: salary from seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year
Speaker 1: to two point five million dollars a year. They were
Speaker 1: also able to afford bonuses for themselves, the executive team,
Speaker 1: by stealing money from their employees pensions, which apparently isn't
Speaker 1: technically illegal in the United States, which is not surprising.
Speaker 1: My favorite phrase in this country, Yeah, not technically illegal
Speaker 1: from from an article at the time. Just last month,
Speaker 1: a judge agreed to let Hostess executives suck another one
Speaker 1: point eight million out of the bankrupt company to pay
Speaker 1: bonuses to c e O s. So judges are judges
Speaker 1: like that. That's a Whenever you hear about a judge
Speaker 1: doing something, it's almost always going to be on the
Speaker 1: to the benefit of a corporation or or somebody that
Speaker 1: the judge golfs with so the the other story that
Speaker 1: I don't I think I probably saw as a follow up.
Speaker 1: The company was quote rescued in and it was announced
Speaker 1: that the Twinkie would come back to life, not unlike
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. There's a headline from Money dot CNN dot
Speaker 1: com start the countdown. Twinkies returned to shelves July. It's
Speaker 1: a miracle. The way the way that happened is so
Speaker 1: they declared bankruptcy. A another big, massive food conglomerate bought
Speaker 1: the assets. So they didn't buy the company. They bought
Speaker 1: the assets, and since it was technically not the same company,
Speaker 1: they weren't beholden to union agreements, and so they firedent
Speaker 1: of the workforce, hired a bunch of non union employees,
Speaker 1: and automated the rest. And that's how we have Twinkies today.
Speaker 1: And so it's it's not shocking that they then jumped
Speaker 1: on an opportunity to align their brand with a Ponzi scheme.
Speaker 1: But truly, fuck Hostess then and now. Also, the media
Speaker 1: push right like the second it starts. The way they
Speaker 1: frame it is greedy fucking workers might kill your beloved
Speaker 1: Twinkies like that was the thing they were trying to marry,
Speaker 1: like that sentiment to like busting a union or busting
Speaker 1: striking workers up. Yea, So not much has changed, No,
Speaker 1: not at all, Like because this is like if you
Speaker 1: look at this now, like, could you imagine if they're
Speaker 1: like striking workers might kill the frappuccino, You'd be like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Yeah? Instead talking about will help you
Speaker 1: get gender framing care only without add miles of where
Speaker 1: you live if you win our lucky Starbucks employee lottery, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: use your Bucks points to for multiple entries to the raffle.
Speaker 1: How do you get Bucks points by never missing work? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So it's it's bad at the same time, the like,
Speaker 1: I do feel like at the time this was happening,
Speaker 1: I did not see the union angle, Like I probably
Speaker 1: just wasn't reading deeply enough. But I do think that
Speaker 1: there's there is a shift happening in the country where
Speaker 1: people are more likely to understand just how vile all
Speaker 1: this ship is, how vile the current system is that
Speaker 1: you know. It's like it's like the Occupy Wall Street
Speaker 1: movement has like just very slowly trickled down to the
Speaker 1: rest of the country, and people are kind of figuring
Speaker 1: it out. But yeah, hopefully hopefully somebody jumps jumps on
Speaker 1: all that energy that is not a Nazi and offers
Speaker 1: a themed twinkie for for all of us to kind
Speaker 1: of get around, get behind, because that's what it's gonna take.
Speaker 1: I think, well, Carmen, truly a pleasure having you on
Speaker 1: the daily SAI guys, where can people find you? Follow you,
Speaker 1: hear you all that good stuff? My Instagram? I have
Speaker 1: one for myself is where in the world is Underscore Carmen.
Speaker 1: The Instagram for the pod is Beauty Translated Pod and
Speaker 1: you can listen to Beauty Translated starting today on all
Speaker 1: of your podcast networks. And is there absolutely And is
Speaker 1: there a tweet or some other work of social media
Speaker 1: you've been intoy? Yeah, So this one is one from
Speaker 1: Chris Mosier and I actually don't have Twitter, so this
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Speaker 1: posted this at the beginning of Pride Month, and he
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