Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season two forty six,
Speaker 1: Episode one of Dirt Dailies. I guys, stay production my
Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a
Speaker 1: deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Monday,
Speaker 1: July eighteen two, like you thought it was, which of
Speaker 1: course means, Miles, what's what it means? You're doing the
Speaker 1: right thing because July eighth there's World Listening Day, Okay,
Speaker 1: and that's what you're doing right now. It might mean
Speaker 1: maybe opening yourself up to other perspectives and the pains.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but in my just for my own benefit,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this about podcasts. That's just short for
Speaker 1: the world listening to the daily zic exactly and Nelson
Speaker 1: Mandela International Day, National Sour Candy Day, and National Caveard Day.
Speaker 1: A very damn interesting. What a combo we didn't we
Speaker 1: just have like World Gummy Candy Day recently? Yeah? Yeah
Speaker 1: it was gummy worms. Yeah the day last week. I
Speaker 1: would like a sour gummy worms. So this is this
Speaker 1: is my time to year. Baby, I'm back. Leo season
Speaker 1: is here, so is Surah Gummy Candy. Anyways, my name
Speaker 1: is Jack O'Brien ak and I would drink Baha Blast
Speaker 1: and I would drink five hundred more just to be
Speaker 1: the man with beauties and blood like adventure golf water.
Speaker 1: That is a clabo with Paul Garaventa. Oh wait, I
Speaker 1: should probably Baha blasta Baha lasta Baha Baha Baha Baha
Speaker 1: Baha Blast. Yeah, shout out to Paul Garaventa. And I'm
Speaker 1: thrilled to be joined as always by my co host,
Speaker 1: Mr Miles Gray. It's Miles Gray, you know, just doing
Speaker 1: my thing, just hanging out, no a case today, just
Speaker 1: just starting off the week as myself, Miles Gray, the
Speaker 1: NoHo God, you know what I mean. Yeah, well, Miles,
Speaker 1: speaking of starting the week off right, You're thrilled to
Speaker 1: be joined by a brilliant and talented writer, musician and
Speaker 1: podcaster whose work has appeared in Rolling Stone, Spin Stereo Gumman,
Speaker 1: who co hosts the podcast How Did We Get Weird?
Speaker 1: With Vanessa Bear and Jonah Bear. It's Jonah Bar. Guys.
Speaker 1: How's it going good? Good? I mean, just just eight
Speaker 1: tons of caviare for National cavea day for breakfast. It
Speaker 1: was great. Yeah. If I see another a gumming in
Speaker 1: a fucking puke man. Too much cave are too much
Speaker 1: beluga man? One? What's that one? There's like that one
Speaker 1: caviar shop in Beverly Hills that like whenever I walk by,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, Petrosi And there's like a Petrosian caviar
Speaker 1: like restaurant, and I'm like, what kind of like that
Speaker 1: looks like a place you're advertising that you want to
Speaker 1: be strong arm robbed when you are, like, I can't
Speaker 1: think of a more like superflu it's like endeavor to
Speaker 1: be Like I went to the caviar restaurant to like
Speaker 1: take your watch. People talk about like going places to
Speaker 1: people watch, Like that is appointment viewing people watching, just
Speaker 1: going there and seeing anybody who is strange enough to
Speaker 1: just go into a caviar restaurant. Yeah, I didn't know
Speaker 1: that existed. Yeah, what do you think like that? The
Speaker 1: target demographic for a caviar restaurant is like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like you're a lawyer who gets like billionaires
Speaker 1: off for like war crimes and ship like that kind
Speaker 1: of vibe. I feel like like the bartender at the
Speaker 1: caviar restaurant has to deal cocaine, right, Like, but it's
Speaker 1: like not even illegal at that point. It's just like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a license to deal cocaine at this level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all medical grade. This is a Petrosian boutique. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh right, right, right, Okay, I'm sorry, Like I'm looking
Speaker 1: at their they have caviar scrambled eggs. You know how
Speaker 1: much that dishes? Thirty six dollars salad. Caviare salad is
Speaker 1: a forty two fucking dollars salad. I like how they
Speaker 1: they're closed Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Okay, so you know we
Speaker 1: don't funk around from those days Sunday op, Well, that's
Speaker 1: when the really good shipments come through. Yeah exactly. I
Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of people, a lot of
Speaker 1: ascots there. I've started noticing that, like very rich people.
Speaker 1: At a certain point, you get so rich that you
Speaker 1: then start caused playing as a very rich person again,
Speaker 1: like you just like lose all self awareness and you
Speaker 1: are you just look incredibly like like a rich guy
Speaker 1: from the sixties, like Screwball Comedy. Right. Yeah, And the
Speaker 1: reviews are fucking frightening, like every it's all five stars,
Speaker 1: because I think these are all aspiring, wealthy people like
Speaker 1: I mean, they're it's really no other place to go
Speaker 1: for yard. Like really, JB from Coasta mesa truly appointment dining.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I mnna have to go by there
Speaker 1: this week and just take a couple of photos and
Speaker 1: do like those TikTok videos like hey man, what do
Speaker 1: you do for a living? Like asking to the Petrosian restaurant.
Speaker 1: I want to go and interview people like that needs
Speaker 1: to be then let's let's do that. We you got
Speaker 1: just to interview and like nobody's gonna agree to be interviewed,
Speaker 1: but yeah, but they're fun there, they're right. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: we'll blur their face for the purposes of the podcast. Jonah,
Speaker 1: where are you coming to us from? I'm coming to
Speaker 1: you from western Massachusetts, the Berkshire's okay, So yeah, are
Speaker 1: you from? Are you from Massachusetts? I'm not from Massachusetts. Uh,
Speaker 1: from Cleveland originally, and then I lived in like the
Speaker 1: New York Brooklyn area for about eleven years, and I've
Speaker 1: been out here for maybe five years or so. Oh nice,
Speaker 1: never met that person from clear Went. I always said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: well they're almost all good. You said that like it
Speaker 1: was a challenge and like yeah, let me introduce you
Speaker 1: to a couple of people. You know. I had this
Speaker 1: weird flashback when I got my license in New York.
Speaker 1: I had an Ohio license. I remember going to DMV
Speaker 1: and and I had all my paperwork ready, and the
Speaker 1: person working there was like, Ohio people, they always got
Speaker 1: it down, like they always got the paperwork ready. He
Speaker 1: was like, I don't have to wait. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's an Ohio thing, but that's another thing. But yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe the filter of Ohio people that moved to New York,
Speaker 1: like a different level of motivation or like I didn't
Speaker 1: come this way to funk up this d m V appointment.
Speaker 1: I left Ohio for this, and that is the same
Speaker 1: filter I'm dealing with because I'm not meeting too many
Speaker 1: Cleveland people in Cleveland. I'm meeting a lot of people
Speaker 1: who left Cleveland. Yes, but yeah, I feel like everyone's consistent,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like all the people we talked to
Speaker 1: that are from Cleveland, like, oh yeah, it's people are
Speaker 1: chill people. Yeah. Usually people will be like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: let me introduce you to my high school bully. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems it seems like a solid
Speaker 1: place it's a good spot. It's a good spot. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: see you look at this, it's a good spot. That
Speaker 1: says that about their hometown. How are the Berkshires beautiful?
Speaker 1: It's really nice here in the summer. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of nature, a lot of trees, a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: aren't called. I mean, I really like not living in
Speaker 1: a city, and I really like being out here, and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it's really beautiful. Nice, sounds amazing. Have you
Speaker 1: have either you been out this way before. I've been
Speaker 1: to Massachusetts. When I was younger. I played a lot
Speaker 1: of hockey, but it was mostly like playing in and
Speaker 1: around like the Boston area, So I'm less less versed
Speaker 1: in the outer areas of Massachusetts outside of Boston. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I went to I went to high school for two
Speaker 1: years in Boston. The the aforementions before we started recording,
Speaker 1: we were talking about why, how it's a bad idea
Speaker 1: to ever give high school students the freedom of living
Speaker 1: in a dorm. That's why I was doing that in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: But I didn't. I didn't get out to the Burke
Speaker 1: here is that much other than like once or twice.
Speaker 1: But it did seem very pretty out there. It is,
Speaker 1: And I did kind of that dorm thing too. When
Speaker 1: I was seventeen, I did a five week guitar program
Speaker 1: at Berkeley College Music in Boston, so I had that
Speaker 1: high school kid dorm experience in Boston as well. Like
Speaker 1: guitar guitar, it was. It was a lot of guitar.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of kids in practice rooms trying
Speaker 1: to play jazz or play really fast like shredding guitar,
Speaker 1: right right right. That was more the vibe when you
Speaker 1: watch kids go from like I like jazz guitar to
Speaker 1: being like I funk with dream theater. Actually that's where
Speaker 1: I'm headed now. A lot of people had the dream
Speaker 1: theater signature. I've been as guitar for sure, right right exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what I feel like. There's always like that fork
Speaker 1: and I grew up a big music nerd kid as well,
Speaker 1: Like I always watch like the guitar kids be like
Speaker 1: getting into Flamenco like shredder, ripping metal, or being like
Speaker 1: I'm like five D chess brain prog rock shit. I
Speaker 1: don't know what any of that means, but great, alright,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, We're gonna tell our listeners a
Speaker 1: couple of the things we're talking about today. We're talking
Speaker 1: about the cover upside of the January sixth ship. Uh.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about all the stories about how like
Speaker 1: various generational cohorts hate or love remote work, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: who is who is behind those stories? They're wildly inconsistent
Speaker 1: story Yeah, constantly seeing like this feels like an op.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the the confusion around like what
Speaker 1: when a movie is coming out, if it's coming out
Speaker 1: in theaters, if it's staying in theaters, if it's gonna
Speaker 1: be on v O D, all of that plenty more.
Speaker 1: But first, Jonah, we like to ask our guest, what
Speaker 1: is something from your search history? Oh my gosh, so uh.
Speaker 1: As you mentioned, I do this podcast with my sister
Speaker 1: Vanessa called How Did We Get Weird? And I'm always
Speaker 1: it's a nostalgia based pod, gusts. I'm always looking up
Speaker 1: stuff from our childhood. And I found this column in
Speaker 1: our childhood newspaper, The Plane Dealer, called Monday Moaning, And
Speaker 1: we've turned into segment on the show where it was
Speaker 1: people just writing into our local newspaper complaining about the
Speaker 1: most mundane stuff, and somehow I was like, I wonder if, yes,
Speaker 1: there was a Thankful Thursday column as well that not
Speaker 1: as successful, But I was like, I wonder if these
Speaker 1: are archived anywhere. It turns out they are. They stopped
Speaker 1: doing it about ten years ago, but there's a bunch
Speaker 1: of them posted, and so we've been kind of like
Speaker 1: doing a new segment where we read them with guests
Speaker 1: and get their feedback on them. But I've just been
Speaker 1: going through all of these people complaining about you know,
Speaker 1: like the school bus waiting too long in front of
Speaker 1: their neighbors house, or like the mailman dropping a letter.
Speaker 1: A lot of complaints about younger people on their cell phones,
Speaker 1: just like what context like there, like I don't like
Speaker 1: that they're on them, were like they're on them in
Speaker 1: the restaurant or on the just they don't like it
Speaker 1: seems like a people are just yeah, I think the
Speaker 1: next generation is just too two on their phone, which
Speaker 1: and this is ten years ago, so like they must
Speaker 1: be going, yeah, they must not be yet. But then
Speaker 1: when we recently found that was really funny was was that, oh,
Speaker 1: someone got told to be quiet at the movie before
Speaker 1: the previews had started, Wow, I feel like that that
Speaker 1: is pre preemptive shushing is like all right, you're you're
Speaker 1: like working too hard, You're doing too much work in
Speaker 1: your brain, and the anxiety that you've like generated, you've
Speaker 1: like sort of created a whole story where this person
Speaker 1: is going to continue talking through the previews. Just what
Speaker 1: w don't you just wait and see? Yeah, so that happened,
Speaker 1: and then the person getting told to be quiet wrote
Speaker 1: this letter to the newspaper sting, this happened to me,
Speaker 1: and they were complaining about getting told. So it's like
Speaker 1: to me, that's my search history is a lot of
Speaker 1: reading these these letters basically. Yeah, Like whenever I'm like
Speaker 1: in a like a smaller city, like I always like
Speaker 1: to look at like the most local paper because it
Speaker 1: you really as like how quaint sometimes like the problems are.
Speaker 1: And like I remember one time, like in British Columbia,
Speaker 1: like I was in this like weird, like this smaller
Speaker 1: coastal town and I found their local paper and like
Speaker 1: one of the main columns on the side was this
Speaker 1: like argument between a city council person and like getting
Speaker 1: mad about dog p versus dog pooh on things, and
Speaker 1: it was like taking up so much space, but like
Speaker 1: the energy given to them like this is I'm glad
Speaker 1: that they're not talking about you know, police murders or
Speaker 1: like ship like that, and it's just about dog p
Speaker 1: or pooh. Is that the one where they were talking
Speaker 1: about like carrying a squirt bottle with them like that
Speaker 1: that being like you gotta carry a squirt bottle and
Speaker 1: like no, but I like this, what do you mean
Speaker 1: like as a tactic to scare off a dog or something. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's to you carry a squirt bottle. It maybe I
Speaker 1: heard about it on another podcast where somebody was like
Speaker 1: very proud that they carried a squirt bottle with them
Speaker 1: so that when they're dog peed somewhere they would just
Speaker 1: like with like or from their squirt bottle. Two. But
Speaker 1: then like they were using that to like hang that
Speaker 1: over everyone else's head and then like you know, like
Speaker 1: be like you really should carry a square bottle and
Speaker 1: they became like the square bottle police. Oh you okay,
Speaker 1: which just feels like the way that good ideas happen
Speaker 1: and then get taken in the worst possible direction. What
Speaker 1: is something, Jonah that you think is underrated? Here's what
Speaker 1: I think is underrated. I like, I think cheap stuff
Speaker 1: that you're going to break or lose anyways. And I'm
Speaker 1: talking specifically, like I just got some twenty dollar sunglasses.
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna forget them somewhere or break them,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be okay with it. I like cheap umbrellas,
Speaker 1: all this stuff. It's I like, I like having that stuff.
Speaker 1: I like, I like just this stuff. I know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna lose that. It feels less the stakes are lower,
Speaker 1: um when it's just haven't spend much money on it.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah, totally love that. I was
Speaker 1: definitely a sunglass person like that, because I was like,
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I bought sunglasses, like when
Speaker 1: I was in high school about like and I don't know,
Speaker 1: some nose college. I bought Christian to your sunglasses because
Speaker 1: I was trying like j Low or some wrapper or
Speaker 1: some ship. And I lost those ships like in one month,
Speaker 1: and I was so distraught over it. I was like,
Speaker 1: I only deserve ship I get for free at a
Speaker 1: medical fair. And uh now I kind of I just
Speaker 1: recently bought up like an eighty dollar pair of sunglasses
Speaker 1: and I'm treating them ship's like the fucking Holy Grail
Speaker 1: right now, But no, I do. It is liberating to
Speaker 1: have those like throwaway sunglasses for sure. Now are you
Speaker 1: a pretty like it? Just looking at your background, it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they're ships scattered everywhere like that. So
Speaker 1: my issue is that, like I have kids and we
Speaker 1: our house has like an inch of cheap stuff You're
Speaker 1: going to break or lose anyways on the floor at
Speaker 1: all times unless I'm like constantly cleaning up. It's like
Speaker 1: a you know, a snow, like snow in Buffalo during
Speaker 1: the winter. It's just like it's gonna be everywhere, Like
Speaker 1: you just have to make make your peace with it,
Speaker 1: Like how do you how do you deal with the
Speaker 1: accumulation of it when when you you lose it? But
Speaker 1: it's somewhere, it's just like around. That's tough. That's tough.
Speaker 1: I usually feel like the more I look, the heart
Speaker 1: it will be defined. So I try to just kind
Speaker 1: of take a break, come back to it later, and
Speaker 1: usually it will show up as since I stopped looking. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good point exactly. And what you pray to
Speaker 1: Saint Anthony, well I'm doing that isn't what isn't what
Speaker 1: the Catholics do is not for when you lose some
Speaker 1: it's Saint Anthony. Yeah probably, I don't know. Man. I
Speaker 1: stopped paying attention to that pretty pretty soon after the
Speaker 1: first confession. I was like, oh man, this is stressful.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is because I remember like at my
Speaker 1: friend's house with like the neighbors growing up that were Catholic.
Speaker 1: It was like the first thing the moms like, I
Speaker 1: don't pray to Saint Anthony. Yeah, And it's like for
Speaker 1: my deodorant. It's just like just like I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: help you braying. I got a lot. I got nine
Speaker 1: kids in this house, Like Anthony, what's like, Okay, Joe,
Speaker 1: I'm curious, what's another thing you said sunglasses and umbrellas.
Speaker 1: What's another like liberating cheap thing that maybe people don't
Speaker 1: think about that, Like it's like you don't need to
Speaker 1: spend a lot of money on that because you might
Speaker 1: lose it, and maybe it's more freeing to buy the
Speaker 1: cheap one. That's a really good question. Those are the
Speaker 1: first two that come to mind. Yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 1: Coffee mugs. I feel like you can coffee get the
Speaker 1: occasional free coffee mug or hats like T shirts, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: shirt man. I'm I can't believe how many free T
Speaker 1: shirts I hold onto. It's weird that I have a
Speaker 1: like an inability to throw away a free T shirt,
Speaker 1: like and I have piles of most useless T shirts
Speaker 1: that I think, like I give to my mom and
Speaker 1: she uses them as like dish towels. Yeah, that's like
Speaker 1: about Yeah, I can't for some reason, I can't part
Speaker 1: with a free shirt. What's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 1: This might be a little controversial, but I think, uh,
Speaker 1: cold brew coffee. I feel like, you know, it takes
Speaker 1: twelve twenty four hours. I'm just not into cold coffee.
Speaker 1: I'm I like, I like coffee a lot. I like
Speaker 1: espressive drinks. I feel like codebrew is like the payoff.
Speaker 1: It just isn't there for the time it takes. Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like cold brew for the power of it. And
Speaker 1: I had a like one of those twenty four hour
Speaker 1: like overnight things you had, and it kept sucking with
Speaker 1: me because like, if I missed my twenty four hour window,
Speaker 1: like well ship, then it's gonna be ready in the
Speaker 1: middle of the day, and I that's your right before
Speaker 1: a record and it completely like I lost all momentum
Speaker 1: with making it, and now I just drink the concentrate
Speaker 1: on cut. Then that's just easier for me. When I
Speaker 1: met Miles many years ago, he was bragging about how
Speaker 1: he is caffeine and sensitive, caffeine doesn't affect him, and
Speaker 1: then I watched him drink cold brew and go clinically mad,
Speaker 1: like just completely, I'm like, I don't experience any change. Man,
Speaker 1: You're speaking triple time. What the fund is happening? Do
Speaker 1: you like? I feel like that is another like I
Speaker 1: feel like I am learning about you, because that is
Speaker 1: another like opinion of somebody who's like, I don't need
Speaker 1: the like crack version of caffeine that is delivered by
Speaker 1: cold brew. Is that you you like more of a steady,
Speaker 1: slow drip, Yeah, And I just like that. I just
Speaker 1: like the hotter drinks are like the more traditional I guess.
Speaker 1: But you know, I've also thought at times that I'm
Speaker 1: caffeine insensitive and I've never heard anyone else say that.
Speaker 1: And is that is that as? Is that possible? Is
Speaker 1: that like the real thing? It is? Anecdotally, I feel
Speaker 1: like on Twitter a lot I see a lot of
Speaker 1: takes of Like, yeah, I used to say that all
Speaker 1: the time, and then I was diagnosed with a d
Speaker 1: h D and maybe a reason why I wasn't vibing
Speaker 1: with caffeine. But my mom is the same way, Like
Speaker 1: so she would drink coffee like before bad just because
Speaker 1: she likes hot drinks and likes the flavor. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, my mom's pretty I don't know
Speaker 1: if she has a d h D, but I think
Speaker 1: it's probably some some kind of real thing with the
Speaker 1: caffeine receptors. The I d h D thing is definitely real.
Speaker 1: Like I like, that's how I was with nicotine, where
Speaker 1: I was like I just need a little nicotine to
Speaker 1: go to sleep, and my wife was like, that's a stimulant.
Speaker 1: What the funk are you talking about. That's not it's
Speaker 1: not how that works. Man. I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: septime gum, Yeah, but yeah, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like the cold brew does seem like the next level
Speaker 1: of of caffeine that I I like a lot of caffeine,
Speaker 1: and I still try not to work with it too
Speaker 1: much because it's it's too much with Jeffiel yet, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about some January six ship and we're back
Speaker 1: and yeah. So there there's a story on the Intercept
Speaker 1: towards the end of last week that the Secret Service
Speaker 1: had deleted some text messages during the fifth and six,
Speaker 1: which was a crucial time, crucial time, and they're like
Speaker 1: beyond just them being like, no, you can't go to
Speaker 1: the riot, President Trump, and we'll drive you back to
Speaker 1: the White House, like their involvement there, there's some speculation
Speaker 1: about their their involvement in in the like beat by
Speaker 1: beat of this whole thing, that might explain why they
Speaker 1: would have deleted the text message. So I I remember
Speaker 1: hearing this that Mike Pence wouldn't get in the car
Speaker 1: with the Secret Service, like they were like, we gotta
Speaker 1: get you out of here, we gotta get you to safety,
Speaker 1: and he was like, no, I don't because if I
Speaker 1: get in there with you, you guys are gonna like
Speaker 1: whisked me off somewhere and I won't be able to
Speaker 1: uh you know complete I said. I thought he I
Speaker 1: thought he was just doing it like I think you
Speaker 1: guys are gonna kill me, Like my my brain is
Speaker 1: built out of pieces from action movies that I watched
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, so like that that was
Speaker 1: the version that I got, is that he gets in
Speaker 1: there and then they use a garret him or some ship,
Speaker 1: you know, just a nice little tweet silencer and then um,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't really make sense. That's not how like
Speaker 1: a coup in the United States would go down unless
Speaker 1: Steven Seagal was involved, and so that at it seems
Speaker 1: like maybe a more reasonable narrative is that they let
Speaker 1: the mob create an unsafe environment at the Capitol. They
Speaker 1: come in there like we gotta get you out of here,
Speaker 1: and then that buys them time to then you know,
Speaker 1: do whatever the next step of the non certification cooing,
Speaker 1: which makes like that that's the first version of this
Speaker 1: where I'm like, oh, if you were doing a planned out,
Speaker 1: carefully planned and not like a haphazard bullshit thing like
Speaker 1: that actually starts to make sense to me, right, And
Speaker 1: I mean there's all that coinsides with like Chuck Grassley
Speaker 1: on the January five thing like oh yeah, Mike President
Speaker 1: might vice president and Mike president vice pemps vice PEPSI
Speaker 1: is not like suggested that he would skip the certification
Speaker 1: on January five, and people are like, wait, why did
Speaker 1: he say that on the fifth being like yeah, he
Speaker 1: might not be there, and it's like and I might
Speaker 1: have to do it, like wait, hold on what and
Speaker 1: then he like backtracked. So there's a lot of it
Speaker 1: around it where constantly we're just being like so many
Speaker 1: people knew about what the funk was gonna go down
Speaker 1: and open their mouths at the dumbest times that you're
Speaker 1: just kind of be like, Okay, there's so many more
Speaker 1: questions than answers, but clearly you can see that people
Speaker 1: there was a group of people who knew what was
Speaker 1: going to happen and others that had less of an
Speaker 1: idea for sure. Yeah, it's just I don't know. There's
Speaker 1: also like DHS officials tweeting like jan six is gonna
Speaker 1: be crazy l O L like right before and like
Speaker 1: DHS is like the that's who over overseas, I think
Speaker 1: the the Secret Service, it's like the people within the
Speaker 1: department that would have been involved in like all of
Speaker 1: this ship going down. So I don't know, like I
Speaker 1: get I get the like sort of more stylist position
Speaker 1: on January six, being like it doesn't matter, they were
Speaker 1: never like we were never in danger of this group
Speaker 1: of dipshits overthrowing the US government. They're idiots. It's nothing
Speaker 1: compared to what we've done in other countries elections, which
Speaker 1: is all like seems true. I'm just not sure how
Speaker 1: it makes sense to like be dismissive of the investigation
Speaker 1: before we know all the facts. And it does seem
Speaker 1: like the more we learn, the more it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I can at least see what they were trying to
Speaker 1: do here, and the definitely feels like the sort of
Speaker 1: thing that you wouldn't want somebody to do if they're
Speaker 1: going to be also the next president of the United States. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's just, uh, it's just I
Speaker 1: think the part that makes it tough is like, despite
Speaker 1: everything that was even known, it's like we don't even
Speaker 1: have like a justice system that like moves to correct it.
Speaker 1: So a lot of people are like, yeah, we know,
Speaker 1: now do the part that shows there are consequences, like
Speaker 1: for so many people, they don't need to be convinced
Speaker 1: much more. And I think that's part of for me
Speaker 1: the frustration, like seeing all this and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: really curiously what actual consequences are born out of all this,
Speaker 1: because it's not going to be enough to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: they did that, that's fucking That's the most frightening part
Speaker 1: of this is that it ends with oh and that's it.
Speaker 1: And you know, as we see like Trump, you know,
Speaker 1: getting ready to announce like being a candidate, I'm also curious,
Speaker 1: like is the media really just going to talk about
Speaker 1: this guy like he didn't do all this ship and
Speaker 1: just like the coverage about his candidacy is just gonna
Speaker 1: be like and he's going for it again rather than
Speaker 1: this fucking guy tried to steal the election last time?
Speaker 1: Why are we talking about him? But you know, I
Speaker 1: think to be fair and balanced or CNN doesnt want
Speaker 1: to be too extreme, they'll just be like, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: going for another bite of the apple and President Trump
Speaker 1: going for another by the app Like yeah, there's so much.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like how the coverage are like
Speaker 1: Row being overturned is similarly just like so middle of
Speaker 1: the road and like gamified and like, well, this is
Speaker 1: bad optics for the Republicans and as like this is
Speaker 1: bad for humans right now, like you're that you're talking
Speaker 1: about a ten year old human being that you're talking about,
Speaker 1: and you're you're making it into like a story about
Speaker 1: bad optics. Man, Yeah, like an episode of Scandal or
Speaker 1: something like the Livi of Hope couldn't even save them.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't think that's a necessary analysis and
Speaker 1: all of this, but sure, but yeah, I think just
Speaker 1: looking at all just the back and forth with the
Speaker 1: Secret Service, you know, and even the fact that Joe
Speaker 1: Biden when he came in office, they were like we
Speaker 1: need to like fucking completely over like flip these like
Speaker 1: sub these guys the funk out. Like they already had
Speaker 1: question concerns about the people who were working with Trump,
Speaker 1: working with Biden. So there's a lot of stink uh
Speaker 1: coming out of there. And yeah, just like the process
Speaker 1: of like the Inspector General being like, hey, we need
Speaker 1: those texts and then they're like, oh yeah one second,
Speaker 1: oh we deleted them just now after you asked for them.
Speaker 1: That's a it's a bad look, as they'd say, great
Speaker 1: for their optics. The entire like Watergate scandal was about
Speaker 1: the cover up, Like that's the whole thing, was the
Speaker 1: cover up. That was what everybody was so outreach about,
Speaker 1: Like this is John I don't know if you if
Speaker 1: you're with me on this one. But I've always said
Speaker 1: nix and not so bad. I'm a big nixing guy. No,
Speaker 1: But like when you look at like the how far
Speaker 1: we've come where, like we we have nothing but evidence
Speaker 1: of like a cover up happening here, and like that's
Speaker 1: not even like the story people are like even aware
Speaker 1: of or focused on is like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: I haven't paid that much attention to it. I've seen
Speaker 1: stuff here there, but I'm curious, like, yeah, what else.
Speaker 1: It just seems like I don't know what would be
Speaker 1: a big deal at this point right right, like because
Speaker 1: at last headline I saw it was about him trying
Speaker 1: to grab the steering wheel of this car, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is like a big bombshell, and then it's like
Speaker 1: everyone's like okay, and now it's they're racing the tech.
Speaker 1: It's like I just feel like they're going to keep
Speaker 1: digging stuff up. Where does it go exactly? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if any of this will
Speaker 1: really ultimately have any impact. I have no idea it
Speaker 1: and it bothers me because I saw like an OpEd
Speaker 1: last week that was like saying like if the d
Speaker 1: o J doesn't do anything, it's gonna it's gonna harm
Speaker 1: their legitimacy. And I'm like, are are you hearing ship
Speaker 1: that they're not gonna do anything, And that's why you're
Speaker 1: writing this OpEd to try and like signal the people
Speaker 1: that like they might fucking not, you know, really bring
Speaker 1: the full weight of the legal system down on these people.
Speaker 1: So I guess that's really that's really all the this
Speaker 1: is building up to. It's like, yeah, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't need to. Like I saw the Titanic sink, like
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm glad to know like what happened inside
Speaker 1: the Titanic as it was sinking, but it was clear
Speaker 1: what happened from the outside enough, And I'm like, what's
Speaker 1: going on with that now? Yeah, but yeah we wait
Speaker 1: with bated press. Yeah, if you it does feel like
Speaker 1: if they don't do anything, if he just like wins
Speaker 1: again somehow, like we like that we have enough evidence
Speaker 1: to be like he's never leaving office again, Like he's
Speaker 1: not just gonna do the dumb bad version of the
Speaker 1: coup this time, Like we we know for a fact
Speaker 1: now like he is going to will never have another
Speaker 1: fair election as long as he's alive. Like so, I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe maybe that's something to bring up as
Speaker 1: you're talking through this, because people like the Democrats were
Speaker 1: so happy last week that like Biden was still up
Speaker 1: three points on Trump. It's like that's that's the battle.
Speaker 1: Who could care less? Alright, let's talk about another failing
Speaker 1: of the mainstream media. And this is, uh the the
Speaker 1: way that they're covering like various generations loving or hating
Speaker 1: remote work during a pandemic. I mean this has been
Speaker 1: I feel like one of the main like not main topics,
Speaker 1: but one of the bigger sort of societal shifts that
Speaker 1: came out of the pandemic. That's like constantly debated off
Speaker 1: like his remote work good? Is it bad? Is it
Speaker 1: killing us? Is it? Like? Do we not know what
Speaker 1: our own faces look like? Because of zoom? And like
Speaker 1: constantly here about these different things like zoom fatigue. We've
Speaker 1: covered all those things. What'd you say? So I'm confused
Speaker 1: about that last one, not knowing what our face looks like?
Speaker 1: People just like talking about how generally like people are
Speaker 1: like losing like certain mirror neurons aren't firing when you
Speaker 1: look at like a fucking zoom called too long. There's
Speaker 1: like a whole there's like some other urological studies about it.
Speaker 1: And I say that like flippantly, but it was sort
Speaker 1: of like your brain is kind of like not using
Speaker 1: certain things that could be when you're just looking like
Speaker 1: they're saying, like it affects like your ability to know
Speaker 1: where you are in space and time, like especially when
Speaker 1: talking to people in other time zones. Your mind is
Speaker 1: trying to place your existence in physical space, like in
Speaker 1: relation to a video, and like they're saying, like it's
Speaker 1: like running your cell phone on like GPS location mode,
Speaker 1: but there's no cell service, so just draining your battery
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where you are. Oh so it's
Speaker 1: like a subtle thing. But again we hear constantly like
Speaker 1: is it the pros cons who they love it? Do
Speaker 1: they hate it? And you know, in the beginning, it
Speaker 1: was clear that a lot of people that had the
Speaker 1: ability or privilege to work remotely enjoyed doing. In fact,
Speaker 1: like it was like a big thing that people can
Speaker 1: like pointed to when people left their jobs, was people
Speaker 1: wanted to continue to work remotely or have the flexibility
Speaker 1: because you know, the pandemic has changed all these things.
Speaker 1: But then as like the pandemic, you know, raided don
Speaker 1: it was also clear that like the boss class of
Speaker 1: people were starting to like unite in their sort of
Speaker 1: like message of like, hey, let's let's get back to
Speaker 1: the office, folks, how about that And wouldn't that be fun?
Speaker 1: Like back to normal? I know, the case numbers aren't
Speaker 1: going down, but like what about if we went back
Speaker 1: to the office and it's I think, you know, it's
Speaker 1: clear that the commercial real estate industry clearly being hit
Speaker 1: by the lack of people in traditional office settings, and they,
Speaker 1: along with like other business interest groups were like really
Speaker 1: pushing hard like we saw them, like whether it's from
Speaker 1: the government or the media of like this whole idea
Speaker 1: like we're back, baby, Like what but today you can
Speaker 1: like read pieces about remote work, Like in Slate there
Speaker 1: was one about like, you know, as as a black employee,
Speaker 1: remote work has done wonders from my mental health because
Speaker 1: I don't have I no longer have to deal with
Speaker 1: like dumb, fucking racist microaggressions or just weird bullshit that's
Speaker 1: born out of like having to be a black person
Speaker 1: in a workplace, and that comes along with you know,
Speaker 1: people's unneeded analysis or suspicions, etcetera. Well, you can also
Speaker 1: find like articles that you're saying everyone hates it. And
Speaker 1: I want to point a Business Insider for a second.
Speaker 1: In April, they had a piece that was called return
Speaker 1: to Office is driving gen Z to Quit m and
Speaker 1: it talked about how much gen Z workers again hated
Speaker 1: this push to return to the office. It was they
Speaker 1: weren't agreeing with it. They didn't like having their boss
Speaker 1: be like, I don't give a funk. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: get sick, man, you have to come back so I
Speaker 1: can just like watch you, but then cold and ask
Speaker 1: you to get in here to look at something on
Speaker 1: my computer really quick that I think is cool that
Speaker 1: like check out this meme? Is that am and I
Speaker 1: mean that I remember having a boss it was like, hey,
Speaker 1: check out this YouTube video. I'm like, you're fucking way
Speaker 1: too old for to be calling you in your office
Speaker 1: to check out a dumb YouTube video. Anyway, all I
Speaker 1: have to say is then at the end of last week,
Speaker 1: Business Inside to put out a new piece called gen
Speaker 1: Z actually hates working from home? What like this is
Speaker 1: really like? It turns out they hit it. I like,
Speaker 1: how they said, actually, you know, like as if they
Speaker 1: know what they said in April, like actually, actually, gen
Speaker 1: Z actually like working from home. And I'm like, what
Speaker 1: the fund is the thrust of this piece that they
Speaker 1: are pointing to surveys that showed that like gen Z
Speaker 1: or like the least interested age cohort in remote work
Speaker 1: when you compare workers in their thirties and older. But
Speaker 1: like many commenters like on the article and just like
Speaker 1: on Twitter and stuff, We're like, this ship is such
Speaker 1: weird bullshit. They're like, yeah, I want to like extend
Speaker 1: my work day by hours to go to a place
Speaker 1: that's like terribly cramped in the middle of a pandemic. No,
Speaker 1: that's what I want. In the first sentence here just
Speaker 1: said I want I want to get you guys paying
Speaker 1: on what they were going for here for the youngest
Speaker 1: employees working from home? Isn't everything? Are they doing like
Speaker 1: the gen Z thing, Like, oh my god, that is everything?
Speaker 1: Like are they like trying to like a play on
Speaker 1: that that went right over my head? That that really
Speaker 1: is bad bad? Yeah? What they're they're all pointing like
Speaker 1: articles like this, And there's another one that was in
Speaker 1: Fortune magazine, which we all know is the official outlet
Speaker 1: of the Proletarian revolution Um that they point to a
Speaker 1: survey of high school students to reinforce this argument. This
Speaker 1: they're all drawing from this, this like one servant and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote it quote less than a quarter of
Speaker 1: gen z or Is feel remote work is quote very
Speaker 1: or extremely important to them, per the National Society of
Speaker 1: High School Scholars Career Interest Survey, the for which pulled
Speaker 1: nearly eleven thousand five high school and college aged individuals,
Speaker 1: but mostly high school says that remote schooling during the
Speaker 1: pandemic may have turned swaths of gen Z off from
Speaker 1: remote working. So I'm like, that's not a good sample
Speaker 1: size of the gen Z workforce. Are kids who spent
Speaker 1: life never peek years of their like high school life
Speaker 1: indoors me Like, hey, you want a situation that mirrors
Speaker 1: that as a work thing, And they're like no, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: from like I would get it, Like if you were
Speaker 1: younger and you had you want to go to college
Speaker 1: in person, right, and you had to do most of
Speaker 1: your colleagues experience online, maybe you would be like, when
Speaker 1: I get in the workforce, I want to be able
Speaker 1: to interact with people and make friends I get that's
Speaker 1: like the socialization aspect, but yeah, I mean it also
Speaker 1: just seems funny when these places make like a sweeping
Speaker 1: generalizations about like a whole generation of people want this
Speaker 1: or that, when it's like there's so much nuance and
Speaker 1: so much going on there, right, just like the misrepresentation
Speaker 1: between like the opening like talking about the work like
Speaker 1: gen Z workforce having this opinion and then going right
Speaker 1: to this is what high school and college students think
Speaker 1: they will want once they start working. Is so well
Speaker 1: clearly they're sure. They came up with the headline first,
Speaker 1: and we're like, how can we find data to support this?
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter like what it is from, let's just
Speaker 1: find it. Yeah, they've they've had this headline ever since
Speaker 1: they wrote the article saying that gen Z does like
Speaker 1: working prefer working from home, and the Better Business Bureau
Speaker 1: of every city reached out to them and we're like,
Speaker 1: what the fund do we pay you for? What the
Speaker 1: fund do we pay you for? Fortune Magazine like, get
Speaker 1: back out there and find me one that gen Z
Speaker 1: actually doesn't you need to put actually in the title?
Speaker 1: How is that? Mr? Fortune? And just interesting when you
Speaker 1: talk about like the things that they do like In
Speaker 1: this national survey of high school scholars, it says remote
Speaker 1: work quote. Remote work doesn't even crack the top three
Speaker 1: things gen Z is looking for in a job, according
Speaker 1: to the High school students survey, and said they prioritize
Speaker 1: fair treatment of all employees, quality of life and flexibility,
Speaker 1: and corporate social responsibility. I'm like, look, kids, you clearly
Speaker 1: haven't had your soul fucking ground to dust and blown
Speaker 1: away by some bosses fart into nothingness, because you will
Speaker 1: realize what you're talking about quality of life and flexibility.
Speaker 1: You may realize like, oh yeah, that flexibility means not
Speaker 1: having to waste gas and ship to go to my
Speaker 1: ice box of an office. And number two is essentially
Speaker 1: remote work. It's like it's basically contradicting the entire and
Speaker 1: I think it's fucked up, because yes, I get for
Speaker 1: like what a person, a young person who is about
Speaker 1: to enter you know, their working career whatever, or thinks
Speaker 1: of what their life would be like, Yeah, you'd want
Speaker 1: to think like, my job will be cool. I like
Speaker 1: my co workers, we kick it after work, we go
Speaker 1: off for drinks and ship like that. But that's obviously
Speaker 1: they're they're more speaking from an experience that there yet
Speaker 1: to have, and but they're using this for like this
Speaker 1: very stupid like pro business propaganda ship and I'm like
Speaker 1: just confusing to read it's I mean, it's so transparent
Speaker 1: that like they just couldn't get they couldn't get the results,
Speaker 1: they couldn't get the headline that they were looking for,
Speaker 1: and so they had to just lie. I guess it
Speaker 1: is kind of the only real honest way to put it.
Speaker 1: And I get there are like again every every week,
Speaker 1: all we contain multitudes. You can't treat anything like a monolith.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure there are plenty of kids who are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: funk that, like the last I've been doing remote ship
Speaker 1: for a lot for a few years now, and that's
Speaker 1: the last thing I want to do. I totally get that.
Speaker 1: But I think like you're saying, also saying Jonah like
Speaker 1: to have this hasty, broad blanket generalization and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: all of them fucking hate it, and they also don't
Speaker 1: and also never had a job yet. I do wish
Speaker 1: this article had worked in more of these terminologies like
Speaker 1: this is everything, or like turns out it isn't fire
Speaker 1: to be working remotely right right, right, those previous surveys
Speaker 1: that said gen Z actually wanted remote work, that's all cap.
Speaker 1: They said, what market cap? You know, I work in
Speaker 1: UM Like, I'm finishing a graduate degree in clinical mental
Speaker 1: health counseling and so I work you know, in mental health.
Speaker 1: And to me, it's like the remote work is like
Speaker 1: change everything and it's made it amazing, you know, having
Speaker 1: access to therapists, people getting help with mental health, all
Speaker 1: these companies starting up. So to me, there's just so
Speaker 1: you know, doing a podcast like this from our houses.
Speaker 1: To me, there's so many benefits. I find it hard
Speaker 1: to think that things will ever really go back to
Speaker 1: the way they were and people going commuting into these
Speaker 1: huge corporate offices and spending all day there when they
Speaker 1: know they don't have to anymore. Right, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's just like transitioning the like boss, you know, CEO
Speaker 1: class of people to be like, you don't need your
Speaker 1: big concrete dick symbols of buildings in a downtown to
Speaker 1: like demonstrate the might of your company. In fact, you'll
Speaker 1: probably save a lot of money by getting out of
Speaker 1: your like thirty million dollar fucking forty year leaks or
Speaker 1: whatever the funk you're locked into and then you can
Speaker 1: just build more anatomically accurate giant concrete dick symbols that
Speaker 1: represent your company because you don't have to like have
Speaker 1: people working inside them. So yeah, they don't giant concrete
Speaker 1: dicks that are like big feet tall and concrete dick
Speaker 1: obelisks coming to a downtown near you. Yeah, enough of
Speaker 1: all the you know, bullshit about making them look like buildings.
Speaker 1: Do do the damn thing? I mean, so do you
Speaker 1: think overall, like I'm, i'm and i'm. This is just
Speaker 1: my conclusion is that the reason this group of respondence
Speaker 1: is responding is responding this way is because they're being
Speaker 1: asked like a question that's too abstract, like based on
Speaker 1: what they've experienced, right, Like, I'm not trying to because
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be old elder geriatric millennial here
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, it's all bullshit. None of these kids
Speaker 1: want that because I'm like, I get the yearning for
Speaker 1: socializing and like, you know, the idea that being in
Speaker 1: an office can like foster connections that give you a
Speaker 1: network to be able to like, you know, progress your career,
Speaker 1: advance it. But I don't know like that. My take
Speaker 1: is they're asking kids whose souls have not been crushed yet,
Speaker 1: and of course they're going to respond this way. I
Speaker 1: think there's been a culture of like, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they miss the socialization. Also think there's been a culture
Speaker 1: of them trying to push like offices that are fun.
Speaker 1: They have like a bean bag room or like ping
Speaker 1: poonte or something. And I think that, yeah, that might
Speaker 1: seem fun if you are looking maybe that's like an
Speaker 1: extension of college or something. But I do think you're right.
Speaker 1: I do think that, Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's I've never met anyone that said I
Speaker 1: can't wait to go back to my office. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure that those Yeah, I'm sure those
Speaker 1: people might exist in some context, but I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's I also feel this is based on
Speaker 1: what like a LinkedIn survey, Like it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't know what the sample sizes. We
Speaker 1: don't know I mean children actually, Okay, all right, I
Speaker 1: guess we do know eleven thousand college aged or high
Speaker 1: school students and college age kids. But yeah, because like
Speaker 1: even with the perks, right, I remember early in my career,
Speaker 1: like I remember seeing my friends who like went to
Speaker 1: like fancy like their offices were like fucking nice, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that ship looks dope because like, meanwhile,
Speaker 1: like the place I go to for lunch is a
Speaker 1: liquor store up the street versus like a building that
Speaker 1: like had a cafeteria and shipped and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: look at this capitalist, like fucking hell escape, that's so shiny.
Speaker 1: But even when I worked in offices like that had
Speaker 1: amazing perks, like you know, wild ass thirsty Thursdays and
Speaker 1: like Barista cart like cooking up whatever fucking drinks you wanted,
Speaker 1: that ship wore off like within the third month of
Speaker 1: working there. I fucking hate my life and I just
Speaker 1: want to be home all day. Please to get me
Speaker 1: out of here. Yeah. I think it's like living I've
Speaker 1: never lived in with places, but like an apartment complex
Speaker 1: with all these amenities, and then it probably seems nice
Speaker 1: when you're and then you realize you probably never use
Speaker 1: almost all of them, right, right, Yeah, And you can
Speaker 1: work from home and have a social life with people
Speaker 1: you don't work with or the ones you want to
Speaker 1: hang out with from work. You can go hang out
Speaker 1: with them, but you have control over your life as
Speaker 1: opposed to being forced to come into an office and
Speaker 1: overseen by Like that does feel like a big part
Speaker 1: of it is like having someone there who is overseeing you,
Speaker 1: and like there is what like, no matter what their
Speaker 1: management style is, there is like some sense of like
Speaker 1: you were being judged and like this is going on
Speaker 1: your permanent record no matter what, and like that high
Speaker 1: school students and college aged students don't really have the
Speaker 1: kind of profound, long term sense of like mental harm
Speaker 1: that that sort of environment does yet. So yeah, if
Speaker 1: you look at like culturally, like a show like The Office, right,
Speaker 1: like the American version, um, like it's almost like this
Speaker 1: is just where you go. These are the people you're
Speaker 1: stuck with and you can make these connections or something,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, you don't have to do that anymore.
Speaker 1: Like you can hang out with whoever you want, you
Speaker 1: don't have to hang in miserable. Um so yeah, I
Speaker 1: think there's sort of maybe this nostalgic like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like maybe it's idealized a little bit in some ways,
Speaker 1: because you know, I think that show is still really
Speaker 1: popul with a lot of people. But um yeah, I
Speaker 1: think this new paradigm is is totally. These CEOs are
Speaker 1: not happy about it for sure. Yeah, where's that like
Speaker 1: spinoff show where it's Stanley and Oscar from the office
Speaker 1: texting their group chats and like this motherfucker Michael really
Speaker 1: just says some about gay people right now and everybody
Speaker 1: is laughing in here and I have to pretend to
Speaker 1: go along with this ship He tried to kiss me,
Speaker 1: fam Yeah it does. I didn't give people that idea
Speaker 1: like it can be like a whimsical place. I think
Speaker 1: we'd be remiss because we do have somebody on the
Speaker 1: zoom call who does represent Generation C, and I just
Speaker 1: I would like to ask super producer Tricia very quickly,
Speaker 1: Tricia from your ten tho foot view. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you're hearing this or you you know, you've got
Speaker 1: something else happening right now. But Tricia, if you're there,
Speaker 1: do you mind giving your perspective generationally? Am I far
Speaker 1: off and my own old man yelling at the sky?
Speaker 1: What was? What do you think is happening? Damn real
Speaker 1: really lacking? Yeah bad? Tricia? Alright, yeah, no, this is
Speaker 1: being noted. Thanks a lot, Tricia. It sounds like gen
Speaker 1: Z really does like remote work a little too much. Actually,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back. And we're back, and let's talk. Let's talk
Speaker 1: movie releases. I mean there's like the studios are up
Speaker 1: in arms. They're very concerned that nobody knows when a
Speaker 1: movie is coming out. If the movie is coming out,
Speaker 1: that it is only in theaters. A lot of pulling
Speaker 1: is showing consumer confusion. I feel that, Yeah, like Top
Speaker 1: Gun two is still only in theaters like months after
Speaker 1: it was released. I think it's I don't know, I
Speaker 1: because I liked I am always like I find it
Speaker 1: interesting to like see how movies are doing at the
Speaker 1: box office. I like end up like kind of aware
Speaker 1: of like, okay, so that did really well, so that's
Speaker 1: probably not gonna come out on v O D. But
Speaker 1: like if you're not paying attention to that, stuff is
Speaker 1: just like yeah, no, Top Gun that we came out
Speaker 1: like months ago, Why is it still out? And why
Speaker 1: can't I watch it on TV? Yeah? I in my mind,
Speaker 1: I just thought everything came out on streaming. Like That's
Speaker 1: what I've assumed actually for most of the pandemic, Like
Speaker 1: when a movie comes out and I'm always like this
Speaker 1: Ship is only in theaters like that, I'm always like
Speaker 1: ready to sit down and be like, what the funk
Speaker 1: it came out today, and realizing it's only in theaters
Speaker 1: for certain things. But I don't even it doesn't even
Speaker 1: make sense, like what they're prioritizing by putting in theaters
Speaker 1: these days. Like I'm pissed that I didn't realize that
Speaker 1: Are Are Are, which is still my favorite movie I've
Speaker 1: seen this year, the kind of Bollywood action musical just extravaganza,
Speaker 1: like that Ship's out in theaters. I didn't realize that
Speaker 1: was out in theaters, Like I should have seen that
Speaker 1: in theaters before. I watched it in three chunks on
Speaker 1: an iPad over the course of two days. Could you
Speaker 1: do a three hour I can't, ma'am. I I feel
Speaker 1: like three hours. I really have trouble staying engaged in
Speaker 1: a in a movie theater for three hours. Maybe I
Speaker 1: just need to go do that, Just go watch it,
Speaker 1: because then, yeah, I can take pea breaks and it
Speaker 1: will be I won't be missing that much, you know, Jonah,
Speaker 1: what's your what's you been your like movie consumption pattern?
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you even like watching stuff? You've just
Speaker 1: given up be like, I don't know, if it's good enough,
Speaker 1: I'll somewhere. Yeah. I was just thinking about this, and
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, thinking about that The Irishman, that
Speaker 1: Scorse Asian movie that came out in two thousand nineteen.
Speaker 1: It was like a really big deal that it was
Speaker 1: coming out on like Netflix and in the theaters, and
Speaker 1: now it's we're so used to it. Like I feel
Speaker 1: like now, like you're saying, we expect everything, so I
Speaker 1: would find it hard. Like I have like an indie
Speaker 1: theater near me that and I'll just kind of go
Speaker 1: check out whatever is there. But I can't remember the
Speaker 1: last time I specifically was like I want to go
Speaker 1: see like a Blockbuster film at like a chain theater.
Speaker 1: I think it would take a lot. I don't know
Speaker 1: for me mm hmm to leave the house. It takes
Speaker 1: a lot. Has to be really good. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: the last one I saw in the theater was Jurassic
Speaker 1: Park Dominion or whatever, the Lost World Dominion or Old
Speaker 1: Dominion University whatever it's called the university Old Dominion University,
Speaker 1: um like, and that I also my first assumption was
Speaker 1: it was going to be on streaming, and I had
Speaker 1: to quickly be like, oh shoot, I got into the
Speaker 1: fucking like movie theater for this, and I think now
Speaker 1: it's already like on streaming, like even in like within
Speaker 1: like wasn't there like some prescribed window that like like
Speaker 1: the studios were trying to do where it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll give like a forty some day days was I
Speaker 1: think pretty standard, um heading into the pandemic and then um,
Speaker 1: and that even seemed short like before I know, Christopher
Speaker 1: Nolan has like ninety days written into his old contract,
Speaker 1: and um, yeah, it's like now it's basically you know,
Speaker 1: the the um Black Widow movie came out like on
Speaker 1: streaming and like had a massive theatrical release at the
Speaker 1: like on the same day, and I think people think
Speaker 1: it didn't do well because of that, But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I don't know. People people are going, people are back,
Speaker 1: they are seeing movies in theaters. So like a big
Speaker 1: reason this is on people's minds is that this movie
Speaker 1: The Gray Man, starring Ryan Gosling as someone who's like
Speaker 1: easy to forget when you see them, Like the the
Speaker 1: idea of The Gray Man is like, you know, a
Speaker 1: CIA agent who's like you know, just blends into the
Speaker 1: background to the point that like they can get away
Speaker 1: with doing stuff and like they're like this sort of
Speaker 1: like yeah exactly, it's like forgettable figure and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so we'll get the handsomest human being like on the
Speaker 1: planet to yeah, forgetable dude. But anyways, Uh, it's like
Speaker 1: a big It cost I think two million dollars, like
Speaker 1: there was the budget for it, and it's coming out
Speaker 1: just on Netflix like there um just putting it on
Speaker 1: Netflix and like doing a theatrical like a limited theatrical
Speaker 1: release like it's an indie movie. Um, but so that's
Speaker 1: coming out this weekend and a lot of people seeing
Speaker 1: the ads for that are like wait what that? But
Speaker 1: that's you're giving me ads like it's a blockbuster. It
Speaker 1: has a cast like it's a blockbuster, and it's not
Speaker 1: in theaters. It's just all very strange. What do you
Speaker 1: My broader question to you both, is is it like
Speaker 1: they the pandemic has kind of like open Pandora's box
Speaker 1: for like the sort of obscuring or blending together of
Speaker 1: like film and streaming that like the prestige, the perceived
Speaker 1: prestige is getting diluted a little bit because now our
Speaker 1: idea of like what a big movie is. We also
Speaker 1: kind of expect to be on our TV at home,
Speaker 1: and it's almost like, yeah, whatever want to give about theater,
Speaker 1: like can I stream it right now? And is that
Speaker 1: kind of like is that beginning to change how we're
Speaker 1: even like perceiving what a film is or not? You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I think it's very similar actually to
Speaker 1: like the remote work idea, where people wouldn't be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is never possible, and then you see it's possible
Speaker 1: and people don't want to go back. Like I bet you.
Speaker 1: Forbes wrote an article like gen Z doesn't like streaming
Speaker 1: movies at home. They going spending fifty to go to
Speaker 1: the theater every time. Yeah, every time a movie comes
Speaker 1: out that doesn't do well at theaters, they write article
Speaker 1: there turns out gen Z is rejecting the yeah, or
Speaker 1: or I guess every time the movie comes up does
Speaker 1: do well? Top Gune. I'm sure they were, like there
Speaker 1: were pieces that were like, turns out gen Z is
Speaker 1: ready to go back to theaters, right. Is gen Z
Speaker 1: responsible for the death of the cinema? You know, like
Speaker 1: I don't know, or or is everybody like young broker
Speaker 1: ship don't put that question too, like instead of being
Speaker 1: like the with the millennials, it's like they like avocados
Speaker 1: more than house rather than being like they've been fucked
Speaker 1: multiple times by recessions. And then that with gen Z,
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know these kids like used clothes,
Speaker 1: how they dress. It's like the we're thrifting. I don't know,
Speaker 1: what do you want to say? You're like a little
Speaker 1: a little bit of difference there, but yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like there's part of the confusion is like I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's a good or bad thing for like
Speaker 1: the movie industry, because like you're spending two d million
Speaker 1: dollars and people are like, I don't know, is that
Speaker 1: like a TV show? You know? Like and we also
Speaker 1: have so many prestige TV shows with like with like
Speaker 1: talent that we used to silo in our minds is
Speaker 1: being like film talent or TV talent that I think
Speaker 1: it's all coming together now to just become like the
Speaker 1: audio visual industry. Um, I don't know if if that's
Speaker 1: like if that's like a more of a meta problem
Speaker 1: that they have to consider. It is like people aren't
Speaker 1: I don't know how many people are taking in stuff.
Speaker 1: Is like being like it has to be in theaters,
Speaker 1: like maybe Avatar too, like has a shout for something
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, like the The gray Man thing, like
Speaker 1: I I feel like I don't have like strong opinions
Speaker 1: or like no, I guess nobody has figured it out.
Speaker 1: But like when I see something that feels wrong, I
Speaker 1: know it, and like The gray Man not being in
Speaker 1: theaters doesn't make sense to me, Like they should have
Speaker 1: released it in theaters, and like I think the only
Speaker 1: reason they didn't is because like Netflix paid for it,
Speaker 1: and so Netflix is like, no, we we want it
Speaker 1: to be like the big Netflix thing, but like that
Speaker 1: they should have released it, Like it's the type of movie,
Speaker 1: like a big budget like action movie, an amazing cast
Speaker 1: like that, that's the sort of thing that's supposed to
Speaker 1: come out in theaters and then and then you can
Speaker 1: put it on that But guess what, gen Z doesn't
Speaker 1: funk with cinema anymore, so now it has to be
Speaker 1: on streaming. It even seems like an odd business decision
Speaker 1: for Netflix, who was like being like, we're viable as
Speaker 1: a business, Like you're not gonna turn the like box
Speaker 1: office revenue speak it on and just be like for
Speaker 1: the people maybe we'll draw in more people with this film, right,
Speaker 1: Like their whole thing is like that they know a
Speaker 1: lot about what people want to watch, Like that's supposed
Speaker 1: to be like the thing that makes them different. Like
Speaker 1: you could definitely apply that to theatrical movies as well.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, no, I don't know. Put your prayers up.
Speaker 1: Put your prayers up for them, prayers up for the
Speaker 1: movie industree, prayers up for the mouse House? And what
Speaker 1: are what are the shitty like trade nicknames for all
Speaker 1: the other ones? I forgot? It's the house that Mouse built,
Speaker 1: right and uh, mouse House. I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: other one. I don't know, dude, I've avoided the industry
Speaker 1: trade magazines for a while now, and that's learning about
Speaker 1: Armie Hammer selling time shares in the Cayman Islands. What
Speaker 1: a run? Um? Well, Jonah, it's been such a pleasure
Speaker 1: having you. Where can people find you? Follow you all
Speaker 1: that good stuff? Yeah? Sure, you can check out our
Speaker 1: podcast on my heart. Also, how do we get weird
Speaker 1: that I co host with Vanessa or my sister, Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. So we have a new episode at
Speaker 1: today with Michelle from Japanese Breakfast, So that that's a
Speaker 1: really fun one and I'm on Twitter Jonah and Bear
Speaker 1: and um yeah, you can check on my website. It's
Speaker 1: do a lot of music writing. And yeah, that's pretty
Speaker 1: much it. I guess nice your sister's character on Weekend
Speaker 1: Update of the Young Boy, like I think having a
Speaker 1: bar Mitzvah or I forget the name Jacob the bar
Speaker 1: Mitzvah boy partially inspired by me as thirteen year old.
Speaker 1: I've always wondered that it is. I think one of
Speaker 1: like on my top five SNL characters of all time.
Speaker 1: It's so good and like deeply just like perfect and human.
Speaker 1: It's like so so wonderful. So that yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: some of the best SNL characters always based off someone's sibling,
Speaker 1: like Garth is like Dana Carvey's brother. Is it? I
Speaker 1: didn't know that either? Amazing. Is there a tweet or
Speaker 1: some of the work of social media you've been enjoying,
Speaker 1: I like, I don't know if you're familiar with John Worcester.
Speaker 1: He plays drums in a bunch of bands, Superchunk, the
Speaker 1: Mountain Goats, He plays with bomb Mold a lot. He
Speaker 1: is on social media. I feel like just one of
Speaker 1: the funniest people. A lot of it's music oriented, but
Speaker 1: um yeah, John Warster is just someone i've I think
Speaker 1: it's great on social media, very funny, very silly. Check
Speaker 1: it out, Miles, where can people find you? What's the
Speaker 1: tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter? Instagram at Miles of Gray
Speaker 1: g r A y because I see a lot of
Speaker 1: y'all hitting me up with the g R E y
Speaker 1: spelling and that is upsetting because that's not money. Also,
Speaker 1: check out the other podcast you know, Miles and Jack
Speaker 1: got Matt Boostiees. That's the Basketball podcast. A great episode
Speaker 1: this week are this last week with c J. Toldano.
Speaker 1: Check out four twenty Day Fiance where I talk ninety
Speaker 1: day Fiance with Sophia Alexandra Uh. Some tweets that I like. First,
Speaker 1: one is from wactose Intolerant at Millie Tamarrows tweeted listening
Speaker 1: to classic rock and in parentheses kids by MGMT, which
Speaker 1: is how I feel when you go from classic rock stations.
Speaker 1: And then this other one I'm just gonna put in
Speaker 1: the Twitter chat or the zoom chats. You can see
Speaker 1: the picture. It's from Gator's Daily at Gator's Daily and
Speaker 1: it's a picture of a big giant like looks like
Speaker 1: ran over like gator, and it just says it's flat
Speaker 1: fuck Friday. Fucking gator is so big and looks like
Speaker 1: a flattened piece of chewing gum. It's not like road kill.
Speaker 1: It's just how it looks. But I just like the
Speaker 1: aggression of its flat fuck friday um. You can find
Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Jack Underscore. O'Brien, I've been enjoying
Speaker 1: a tweet from Joe at Gulture tweeted reminder not to
Speaker 1: put sunglasses on your dog for a fun picture in
Speaker 1: the sun. This is actually very bad for the dog
Speaker 1: as it gives them a false sense of confidence that
Speaker 1: makes them look really cool, which can be dangerous when
Speaker 1: you take them off again and they have to go
Speaker 1: back to normal dog. And I also like to cute nature.
Speaker 1: Behf tweeted If I had a girlfriend, I would take
Speaker 1: her to get ice cream and then pretend I don't
Speaker 1: hear anything as she totally blows up my toilet later,
Speaker 1: which is the nice thing to do. Boyfriends out there,
Speaker 1: boyfriends of the world, Yeah, let go of that padolescent
Speaker 1: or its to be like, oh cool, met a plunger. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: in today's episode, as well as the song that we
Speaker 1: think you might Enjore Miles, what song do we think
Speaker 1: people might injure? I think you know. William Hart, who
Speaker 1: is the lead singer of the Delphonics, passed away last week.
Speaker 1: And the Delphonics are fantastic, you know, R and B
Speaker 1: soul group, but also like for lovers of hip hop,
Speaker 1: the Delphonics have provided many soundles art form we call
Speaker 1: hip hop. So let's go out on a track that
Speaker 1: informed to banger tracks. The first one, so the track,
Speaker 1: just so you know, it's called ready or Not Here
Speaker 1: I Come? And that inspired the Fuji's Ready or Not
Speaker 1: Here I Come and also sampled Socket to Me by
Speaker 1: Missy Elliott. Also that horn sample. Uh, It's just like
Speaker 1: all their music is fantastic, and I'm sure many people
Speaker 1: are familiar with the Delphonics even if you don't know
Speaker 1: them explicitly. So check out Ready or Not Here I
Speaker 1: come by the Delphon Express in piece of William Hart,
Speaker 1: the Delphonics and yeah, just enjoy the smooth soul starting
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