Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to forty five,
Speaker 1: episode two of Days Like Day production of My Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. It's Tuesday, July twelve two. My
Speaker 1: name is Jack O'Brien a k Jeor Jackson World Dominion.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes we do song parodies up here during
Speaker 1: the ak s, but I wanted to just do an
Speaker 1: old fashioned nickname that a lot of people are calling
Speaker 1: me and your Jackson World no colon Dominion is a
Speaker 1: name I'm known as. I'm also known as uh fk
Speaker 1: jere Jackson Park, and I'm thrilled to be joined by
Speaker 1: a very special guest co host one of the EPs
Speaker 1: on this very network. He is the King's sting that
Speaker 1: bitch on Twitch. It's DJ Daniel Good Bad d J
Speaker 1: Daniel a k A Jurassic World DJ Dan Minion. Okay,
Speaker 1: up with the explosion. Happen to be here? Jack? How
Speaker 1: you doing? Get off my Get off my corner, man.
Speaker 1: I'm the I'm the guy that is known as Drew
Speaker 1: Jackson World. Yeah, that's my bad to take. Well, unexpectedly,
Speaker 1: another another day without Miles. We do believe people be
Speaker 1: back soon, but we are thrilled first of all to
Speaker 1: be joined by you Stop DJ. We are also through
Speaker 1: to be joined in our third seat by a brilliant writer, speaker,
Speaker 1: social justice educator who's written for Ebony Complex, Out the
Speaker 1: Route and appeared on NBC News, BuzzFeed, Fox, among many others.
Speaker 1: They are also a fellow of the Next Up program
Speaker 1: and the resulting show BFF Black Fat FM, drops its
Speaker 1: first episode today. Please welcome Dr John Paul Higgins. Hello everybody.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be here. I wish I had
Speaker 1: a long too sing um in the style of Miles,
Speaker 1: but I don't have anything prepared. That's fine. Your presence
Speaker 1: is plenty. How are you on this? Maybe not your
Speaker 1: first day as a professional podcaster, but your first day
Speaker 1: with BFF out in the world. You know what it is,
Speaker 1: just it's a it's an interesting feeling. So I was
Speaker 1: telling my bothering, you know, I was telling it's funny
Speaker 1: because my mom texts me it was like, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about your podcast coming out this week? And
Speaker 1: I was like, Mom, what are you doing? Why are
Speaker 1: you texting me this like this? I'm already stressed out.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, now I know my mom is gonna
Speaker 1: be listening, and it's gonna be just it's it's interesting,
Speaker 1: So shout out to my mom. But ultimately I feel
Speaker 1: very very excited. I feel grounded in a weird, odd way.
Speaker 1: When I first started the whole process of Next Up,
Speaker 1: I was really nervous about the podcast experience because I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I'm gonna real network, um,
Speaker 1: you know, not just doing it for my brandom office
Speaker 1: and my my apartment. But now it just feels so
Speaker 1: real and and everyone at my heart has been amazing
Speaker 1: and so what's the word, not even supportive, Like you
Speaker 1: are literally like a family now. So I'm really really
Speaker 1: excited to be in in in good company. Thank you
Speaker 1: for thrill to truly truly a thrill to have you
Speaker 1: on a thrill to have you on t d Z. Yes,
Speaker 1: So we're going to get to know you a little
Speaker 1: bit better in a moment. First, a couple of the
Speaker 1: things we're talking about. We're going to bring on super
Speaker 1: producer Trisian with Carriage to talk about a story. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be her debut as a Daily Zeitgeist correspondent,
Speaker 1: our first diction correspondent. But Tricia is very brilliant, and
Speaker 1: we wanted to like get her doing some research bringing
Speaker 1: bringing the heat on some stories that she was interested in.
Speaker 1: And the first one we've got is about how to
Speaker 1: sue corporate rations to hold them accountable for climate change.
Speaker 1: So that's that's exciting. I've I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people wonder about this and say, well, why don't we
Speaker 1: just sue the oil companies. That's the only thing they
Speaker 1: will ever listen to. I have my reasons. I'm skeptical
Speaker 1: of this approach that I will bring up, but it's
Speaker 1: at least interesting to to know more, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it'll work out. Then we'll just talk about well, okay,
Speaker 1: so Bloomberg released a thing of like top cities for
Speaker 1: singles um and their number one was Wichita, Kansas, and
Speaker 1: that a bunch that a bunch in Texas that were
Speaker 1: like like half of the top five were in deep
Speaker 1: red states. So we're just gonna talk about old media
Speaker 1: being where I guess, you know, the mainstream corporate media
Speaker 1: being in a different reality from the rest of us.
Speaker 1: We might talk about covert food habits. I don't know
Speaker 1: how brave I'm feeling, but somebody mentioned leaves alright, Leaves
Speaker 1: talk about somebody mentioned that they eat burritos by opening
Speaker 1: a hole in the burrito and then sucking the insides out,
Speaker 1: like what YEA. So a writer for The Takeout was like, so,
Speaker 1: finally I've like come to terms with like, this is
Speaker 1: not weird. Lots of people eat their burrito like you
Speaker 1: know Edgar and men in Black consumes that farmer and
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it. It seems so I I
Speaker 1: just want to like get all the all the weird
Speaker 1: food habits out there, because I definitely have a couple
Speaker 1: of strange ones. No need to feel Uh you were saying,
Speaker 1: oh for sure that I that I have some strange ones, right,
Speaker 1: Oh well you, but also all of us. I can't
Speaker 1: wait too old for you. So we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: that all of that plentymore. But first, John, we like
Speaker 1: to ask a guest, what is something from your search
Speaker 1: history that is revealing about who you are? So I'm
Speaker 1: a very inquisitive person, and one of the things that
Speaker 1: I have searched recently is who is Julia Fox and
Speaker 1: why does the world hate her? Um it seems like
Speaker 1: every time, I don't know, I just feel like I
Speaker 1: see her name. Her name is always associated to some
Speaker 1: type of hatred, and it just was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know who one, I have no idea who this lady is,
Speaker 1: but even more, why why does everyone hate her? Like?
Speaker 1: What did she do that's so terrible? And honestly, I
Speaker 1: just I think it's when I call it the Kardashian syndrome,
Speaker 1: where everyone just kind of hates the Kardashians to hate them.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan, I will say very outwardly, I'm
Speaker 1: not a Kardashian fan either, but I am very intrigued
Speaker 1: as to who is this woman and what she did
Speaker 1: to make the world hate her. So I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of following it with my left eye, not really giving
Speaker 1: it too much attention, but it is something that is
Speaker 1: on my radar. Julia x is the actor from Uncut Gems, Utah,
Speaker 1: Uncut Jobs, and is really good in that movie, really
Speaker 1: good in a Steven Soderberg movie that I can't remember
Speaker 1: the name of those like a period piece that came
Speaker 1: out fairly recently, and and she dated kind of Kanye,
Speaker 1: And I think that's when people were like, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's just general, like you know, she
Speaker 1: there have been some quotes that people have pulled and
Speaker 1: been like, see Julia Fox is the worst. But the
Speaker 1: longer I've done a job that requires me to pay
Speaker 1: attention to the news, the more I realized that you
Speaker 1: can make anyone seem like anything by pulling the right quote.
Speaker 1: And this just feels like a lot of heat to
Speaker 1: me that like, I don't know it's coming from not
Speaker 1: necessarily the the most well intentioned places and people. And
Speaker 1: also when the spotlight is cast upon you so rapidly,
Speaker 1: so quickly, it's like who is ready for that moment? Precisely?
Speaker 1: And all of the random, bating questions that get thrown
Speaker 1: at you, it's like every opportunity is an opportunity for
Speaker 1: someone to be like, well, let's maybe reveal something stupid
Speaker 1: about this person so we can sauce them on the
Speaker 1: internet for a week. Strain. It's just unfair. I would
Speaker 1: say John is ready for the for the spotlight, but
Speaker 1: nobody else that I've ever encountered. Facts during your search too,
Speaker 1: did you come across did you come up with any
Speaker 1: opinion or you're you're just monitoring, You're just letting the
Speaker 1: world know you're on it. I'm just I'm just monitoring it.
Speaker 1: I don't think I really have a position. I think
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things. Oh gosh, I'm probably
Speaker 1: gonna get in a lot of trouble. See I can
Speaker 1: keep I'm gonna I'm gonna step in some mud here.
Speaker 1: I don't care about like white women enough, like open
Speaker 1: like white lady things, and I feel like this is
Speaker 1: a very white lady conversation, and so like I opened
Speaker 1: the article and I was like, oh whatever, by like
Speaker 1: it just it didn't feel like it was enough for
Speaker 1: me to actually like engage in the conversation. Like if
Speaker 1: someone like, I mean Beyonce, everyone knows I'm a huge
Speaker 1: Beyonce fan, I'm gonna engage in that conversation. But like
Speaker 1: with like Julia Fox in the world hating her, it's like,
Speaker 1: oh so sorry, lady, you're rich and people don't like you.
Speaker 1: Oh well, so that's kind of what the conversation was
Speaker 1: for me. It was just like poked my head in,
Speaker 1: looked around and was like, oh, another white lady on
Speaker 1: the internet that people don't like. All right, I gotta
Speaker 1: go like it just it felt like I had a
Speaker 1: little better things to do. So, what is something you
Speaker 1: think is underrated? So I had tweeted something about this yesterday.
Speaker 1: I find on social media that there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people who always want to be the smartest person
Speaker 1: in the room. The underrated thing for me is sometimes
Speaker 1: it's okay to not have a thought and opinion or
Speaker 1: a hot take, Like it's okay for you to not
Speaker 1: be the smartest person to remark, I even said, I
Speaker 1: have a doctor's degree, and I don't even pretend to
Speaker 1: act like I know everything, Like I just don't. Like,
Speaker 1: I genuinely will speak on things that I think need
Speaker 1: to be spoken on, and then there are just some
Speaker 1: things and I'm just like, I don't really have an
Speaker 1: opinion on that, Like I just don't care. And I
Speaker 1: think every I think we really need to. Like I
Speaker 1: feel like if we got were more invested in not
Speaker 1: always trying to be the smartest person on the internet,
Speaker 1: I feel like the internet would be a much more
Speaker 1: enjoyable place. I think that's such a novel idea, to
Speaker 1: not say something when you have no idea what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. I definitely find in those scenarios, you know,
Speaker 1: and in our overly connected world of Twitter, you probably
Speaker 1: have seen a thought that maybe speaks or puts to
Speaker 1: words your opinion in a way that's informed and smart
Speaker 1: and said by someone who has done the research. And
Speaker 1: rather than simply parent what they're saying in your own
Speaker 1: words that are kind of come out stilted or maybe
Speaker 1: not baked, I just hit the old retweet and then
Speaker 1: you know what you do? You is that person to
Speaker 1: power you. You like, give that person the platform and
Speaker 1: the stage, and you know what, you can leave your
Speaker 1: voice out of it. So I really appreciate a lot
Speaker 1: that part. I simply will just say that part or
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this is awesome, or like I'm so
Speaker 1: glad someone finally said it, like you don't always have
Speaker 1: to be that person to regurgitate an idea, and it's
Speaker 1: just but you know what, I think. What I was
Speaker 1: more speaking to there is someone that I engage with
Speaker 1: on and on on the instau Insta, like Twitter, just everywhere,
Speaker 1: and this person always seems to want to take your
Speaker 1: thoughts and like like, well, what do you mean here?
Speaker 1: What do you do? And I'm like, okay, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing this, so I have the muted now. But it's
Speaker 1: one of those like that's what I was specifically speaking
Speaker 1: to was those individuals who always seem to want to
Speaker 1: like engage in something that and make it more than
Speaker 1: what it really is. It's really so yeah, and that
Speaker 1: person right now is repeatedly asking you, but what do
Speaker 1: you mean? No, serie, like right here, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: What do you like just in a in a vacuum,
Speaker 1: just in the vacuum of space by themselves. Just I
Speaker 1: gotta say, just as an addendum, I have made it
Speaker 1: my job with this podcast, part of my job to
Speaker 1: be the dumbest person in the room with like a
Speaker 1: really brilliant series of co hosts or Miles when he's around,
Speaker 1: and just brilliant guests. And that is highly Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. That is a wonderful you know, you learn,
Speaker 1: you get better, and you just openly embrace your your stupidity.
Speaker 1: I highly recommend it. It's fun sometimes to embrace that.
Speaker 1: What is something you think is overrated? So I went
Speaker 1: back and forth with this. I had another thought right
Speaker 1: before I got on my Peloton bike and I said
Speaker 1: to myself social media, Instagram, fit culture, it's overrated. And
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is I have no I
Speaker 1: have people constantly, so I post daily like what what
Speaker 1: rides I take on my peloton just because I have
Speaker 1: a lot of friends who are always like I don't
Speaker 1: have enough time to really like curate a ride, like
Speaker 1: can you tell me what right or who you think
Speaker 1: is the best? So I just post my stuff in
Speaker 1: my stories for my friends to see. Well, winds up
Speaker 1: happening is is when I posted my stories or when
Speaker 1: I post on my like actual page all of these
Speaker 1: Instagram social media like fits follower people will come and
Speaker 1: be like, do you want to lose weight? Do you
Speaker 1: want to do this? And it's like, no, I actually
Speaker 1: don't want to lose weight. I just write my peloton
Speaker 1: because I am black, fat and queer, and I live
Speaker 1: in a world that hates me and I have to
Speaker 1: do something to get all of this energy out, and
Speaker 1: so I'm always kind of like, just leave me alone.
Speaker 1: And so one of the thoughts that I had connected
Speaker 1: to that is it's just how awful a lot of
Speaker 1: the Instagram fit culture is. And I was just thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, a lot of them are angry because they're hungry,
Speaker 1: like you rag on people like myself because you have
Speaker 1: an attitude because you have not been able to eat
Speaker 1: all you've had today as a carrot in some air
Speaker 1: like get away from me, Like, leave me alone. Don't
Speaker 1: be mad at me because I enjoyed two tacos yesterday
Speaker 1: and you didn't. You couldn't do that, right, So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just I'm really over Instagram fit culture.
Speaker 1: I'm over this idea that starving yourself is like going
Speaker 1: to make you somehow better. I'd rather just eat because
Speaker 1: who knows when we're all going to get hit by
Speaker 1: an asteroid. It's it's coming very fast. So I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of like, I'm here and I don't want to
Speaker 1: be hungry when that happens. Definitely agreed on the eating part.
Speaker 1: I'm with that a thousand percent, just to do it.
Speaker 1: What is something you've learned from you You kind of
Speaker 1: alluded to sort of the premise of BFF and like,
Speaker 1: you know, feeling like society hates you. What is something
Speaker 1: that like you've learned from making the show? Wow? I well,
Speaker 1: now I feel like Beyonce like, WHOA what am I asking? I?
Speaker 1: Um no, what as I learned from making the from
Speaker 1: the podcast? I think for me, it's you know, there's
Speaker 1: there's something in this world where it's like we all
Speaker 1: find I feel like I'm getting ready to go into
Speaker 1: my speaker voice. But we all we all kind of
Speaker 1: learned how to talk about things that were passionate about,
Speaker 1: and we all learn how to kind of like stand
Speaker 1: in our authenticity in some type of way, right, Like
Speaker 1: there are people who authentically stand in the idea that
Speaker 1: having an android is a good idea, Like there are
Speaker 1: people who have ideas that you know, you know, certain
Speaker 1: foods are certain artists are great or whatever. Right, we
Speaker 1: learned to stand in that authenticity in a way. And
Speaker 1: I think for me, kind of being serious like this
Speaker 1: podcast really allowed me to say, I'm gonna put all
Speaker 1: of me in front of this mike and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: leave it there in a way that no one has
Speaker 1: ever done. And it didn't hit me until actually one
Speaker 1: of the really big important people from my heart called
Speaker 1: me and said, you know, I just wanted to check
Speaker 1: in and see how the podcast is going, but I
Speaker 1: really want to make sure that I reiterate how like
Speaker 1: revolutionary this is. Do know that there are very few
Speaker 1: podcasts anywhere that are specifically focusing on intersectionality in the
Speaker 1: way that you're doing it, And so that kind of
Speaker 1: like blew my mind that it's like I'm really putting
Speaker 1: myself out there in front of a microphone for people,
Speaker 1: and and really standing in that in a way that
Speaker 1: for years I was so afraid to do. And I
Speaker 1: think that that for me is the one thing that
Speaker 1: I learned, Like, once you've learned to fully accept who
Speaker 1: you are and you tell the world you're gonna get
Speaker 1: it whether you like it or not, um, how much
Speaker 1: better the world for yourself becomes. So yeah, have you
Speaker 1: felt that bleed over to personally, just as somebody who
Speaker 1: is more outgoing on Mike than in personal settings, Like
Speaker 1: is that something that you feel you've been able to
Speaker 1: kind of incorporate into the rest of your life or
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just curious as you were describing that.
Speaker 1: I think for me, the big the bigger part is
Speaker 1: being comfortable with being non by Nary. There was a moment,
Speaker 1: you know, like when I first got my nails done,
Speaker 1: when I was really nervous about how people are gonna
Speaker 1: anvict with me. It was the first time I ever
Speaker 1: wore heels, the first time that I ever really wore
Speaker 1: because you know, most places don't carry clothes in my siyes.
Speaker 1: So the first time that I ever like ordered from
Speaker 1: Shan and found something I was really comfortable and wore it.
Speaker 1: It was just there are moments where I have to
Speaker 1: kind of like check myself and say, this is who
Speaker 1: you are and this is what people are just gonna
Speaker 1: have to do with um. And I think that that's
Speaker 1: what you know, the Black, Fat Thin podcast is, is
Speaker 1: you're getting a very like I said, not even just authentic,
Speaker 1: but you're getting a real take on what it's like
Speaker 1: to be me in a world where it's like I
Speaker 1: constantly have to kind of like and and in different conversations,
Speaker 1: is like you can only be black, or you can
Speaker 1: only be queer, or you can only be fat. You
Speaker 1: can't be all three, right, Like, there's no there there
Speaker 1: are very few spaces that I feel like I can
Speaker 1: talk about what that journey is. And so when it
Speaker 1: when I'm talking about the idea that it cost an
Speaker 1: arm and a leg for me to go buy something
Speaker 1: from tor It and having my coho to be like, yeah, girl,
Speaker 1: towards cloths are terrible, but did you hear about this
Speaker 1: That place actually does really well for non binary people.
Speaker 1: Like that kind of stuff is what this podcast is.
Speaker 1: And so I'm just really excited to finally be able
Speaker 1: to be in a place where, like I feel like
Speaker 1: I fully accepted myself and said, you know, while y'all
Speaker 1: are laughing at me, I'm laughing to the bank because
Speaker 1: because now I have a pretty decent you know, you know,
Speaker 1: my bank account looks nice because I get to be
Speaker 1: my authentic self. And so that's the thing I think
Speaker 1: for me where it's bleeding over, that I can actually
Speaker 1: afford to shop at places that carry for X and
Speaker 1: five X. So amazing. Well, everybody needs to go check
Speaker 1: it out. It's truly an amazing show. From its first
Speaker 1: episode is out today. What let's take a quick break,
Speaker 1: will come back and we will talk with superproducer Tricia
Speaker 1: And we are back and we are thrilled to be
Speaker 1: joined by super producer Tricia Mookerjee. Tricia, how are you doing, Hello,
Speaker 1: I'm doing really well. It was mom's yesterday. My phone
Speaker 1: is still with me, but I lost it several times. Check.
Speaker 1: But it was like minor more minor incidents and the
Speaker 1: elevator incident and the kid taking incident. Lost your phone
Speaker 1: through the tiny little slat, like the almost geometrically impossible
Speaker 1: task of losing your phone through the slat between the
Speaker 1: elevator and the floor, and then a child like stole
Speaker 1: her phone and trying to take it away from her
Speaker 1: within the span of two days. And I've been telling
Speaker 1: her she needs to get rid of it with that
Speaker 1: phone is trying to escape for a reason. But that's
Speaker 1: probably not good advice. Also, I interrupted you, but you
Speaker 1: were saying it was your mom's birthday. Happy birthday. Thank
Speaker 1: you shall be thrilled to hear that. Yeah, alright, let's
Speaker 1: talk about the first your first story as the Daily
Speaker 1: Zeitgeist correspondent super producer Treasua. What what have you got for? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. So the story that I
Speaker 1: have today is about the general topic of suing companies
Speaker 1: that are polluting our air, water, et cetera, producing a
Speaker 1: lot of carbon emissions. And so the specific case that
Speaker 1: got me into this topic was a Peruvian farmer who
Speaker 1: lives near Harras, which is a city in the western
Speaker 1: part of Peru. And this farmer's name is so Luciano
Speaker 1: Luyah and he's suing a German utility company called our
Speaker 1: w E. So it's quite an interesting case because he
Speaker 1: I guess his basis for the lawsuit is that our
Speaker 1: w E has been producing point for seven percent of
Speaker 1: the cumulative global industrial emissions of carbon and methane between
Speaker 1: seven teen fifty one and point for seven isn't a
Speaker 1: lot like that's a kind of tiny number. But his
Speaker 1: claim is that because the emissions from this company's activities
Speaker 1: are leading to ice, avalanches and glaciers melting, and the
Speaker 1: lake near his city is rising and threatening to flood
Speaker 1: his city and cause a lot of damages, our w
Speaker 1: E should pay point for a seven percent of the
Speaker 1: cost of repairs and also protection from climate change. Now, again,
Speaker 1: for our w that is a tiny amount of money.
Speaker 1: It comes out to around twenty thousand euros and their
Speaker 1: total profit is twenty four point five billion euros in
Speaker 1: just one year, So to them it's nothing more than
Speaker 1: a rounding error. But this case is quite interesting because
Speaker 1: it sets a precedent of can I sue a company
Speaker 1: that's based half the world away for causing emissions that
Speaker 1: don't really have boundaries and who they affect? Uh and
Speaker 1: when they affect people and how they affect people? Am
Speaker 1: I right in that? And in addition, how do we
Speaker 1: use this method to hold leaders accountable? So I'm sure
Speaker 1: we can get into this more. But it's very hard
Speaker 1: to prove that for this farmer that our w E
Speaker 1: is the direct cause of the glacier melting near his
Speaker 1: house and that causing the flooding. So in addition to
Speaker 1: that burden of proof, there's a lot of complications where
Speaker 1: these companies have so much money, so much legal power
Speaker 1: behind them, and so instead of being like, Okay, we'll
Speaker 1: pay and help you with this thing that you're struggling with,
Speaker 1: they sue you back, and then you have to protect
Speaker 1: yourself against them instead of, uh, instead of working on
Speaker 1: suing them for the damages that they've caused. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we can get into that more later, but it's just
Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting strategy, especially since we've seen so
Speaker 1: much failure from our governments in terms of protecting us
Speaker 1: from climate change. So if we can't rely on them,
Speaker 1: is this one way that we can try to address it.
Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear your thoughts is did they pick
Speaker 1: our w E because Germany has like favorable laws because
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at like the Global Emitters two thousand
Speaker 1: and fifteen and like they've got Yeah, Chinese cole is
Speaker 1: the number one with like fourteen percent, but then you've
Speaker 1: got Saudia Ramco, Gas prom of Russia ex on Mobile
Speaker 1: is that number five with like two percent? So I'm
Speaker 1: just curious because like that is the main issue I see,
Speaker 1: Like I know the story of Stephen Donzinger who successfully
Speaker 1: sued Chevron and Ecuador one a massive lawsuit because they
Speaker 1: were like directly like killing people with their yeah, just
Speaker 1: like dumping poison into the environment of indigenous people down there,
Speaker 1: and he sued them one a case down there, and
Speaker 1: then Chevron basically made his life so miserable that he
Speaker 1: was on house arrest for like a couple of years.
Speaker 1: And so that's I think that is my The question
Speaker 1: that pops up for me is like, are we like
Speaker 1: going to just be able to pick international companies apart
Speaker 1: like using this and like how do we bring it
Speaker 1: back to US companies like Chevron? I mean, it is
Speaker 1: like it does seem like one of the things that
Speaker 1: we need to figure out, right to get something to
Speaker 1: change right exactly. Well, so in this case, they chose
Speaker 1: our w B I believe because they're still operating some
Speaker 1: coal plants, so that's one of the reasons. And another
Speaker 1: reason is just because they're working with German lawyers who
Speaker 1: are familiar with the judicialists them in Germany and the
Speaker 1: laws there um. But I think, yeah, it's totally in
Speaker 1: bounds to sue these American companies and all the other
Speaker 1: companies based around the world for the percentage of emissions
Speaker 1: that they would be causing. Right, So when you sue, like,
Speaker 1: what are we specifically suing for? We is it funds
Speaker 1: or is Like I I don't the suit itself, Like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand what the logic is of suing
Speaker 1: the company. Are they having to pay for cleaner energy? Like?
Speaker 1: What is it specifically? Are we trying to get out
Speaker 1: of the lawsuit? Right? Right? So, in some previous cases,
Speaker 1: there's been lawsuits that are like the companies need to
Speaker 1: be held accountable and need to promise that they're going
Speaker 1: to lower their emissions, and there have been successful lawsuits
Speaker 1: like that. But they say that this is one of
Speaker 1: the first lawsuits that's suing a company that's not even
Speaker 1: in the vicinity of the person home who's suing. But
Speaker 1: the the lawsuit is for damages and protection, so for example,
Speaker 1: to build a wall around the city so that floodwater
Speaker 1: doesn't get in, or if houses get destroyed they should
Speaker 1: pay for that damage as well. So but you can imagine,
Speaker 1: like if everyone was to sue each like energy company
Speaker 1: that was causing emissions that affected us, that could be
Speaker 1: a lot on them. And it's quite interesting in this article.
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly people in these regions especially are suffering
Speaker 1: from the effects of climate change, but there's people from
Speaker 1: the U N and all these other companies that are
Speaker 1: just saying, like, this is a direct quote from this
Speaker 1: Financial Times article, the rules about a company's obligations should
Speaker 1: be set by regulators, and businesses should be sure that
Speaker 1: if they follow them in good faith, they're safe harbor
Speaker 1: and they won't be sued. So it's basically saying like
Speaker 1: the company should have this responsibility to just kind of
Speaker 1: go along and everyone will be fine. But clearly that
Speaker 1: hasn't happened ever in the past. That's literally there like
Speaker 1: their mode of operations. So yeah, I'm just wondering what
Speaker 1: kind of precedent this sets for the future, because you know,
Speaker 1: the whole idea of law is, you know, having cases
Speaker 1: that get ruled one way or the other, and that's
Speaker 1: setting the precedent for future cases that come forward. So
Speaker 1: if we are able to sort of set even some
Speaker 1: sort of minor precedent that suing a company for damages,
Speaker 1: you know, can result in a you know, and you
Speaker 1: said it was um setting, you know case. Obviously it's
Speaker 1: not a lot of money. The climate change affects everybody,
Speaker 1: and if one person has that kind of has set
Speaker 1: that precedent of you know, damage is being done to
Speaker 1: my community, everybody in the community has has that same precedent.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the community has that same reasoning, and everyone
Speaker 1: around the world has a very similar reasoning. So maybe
Speaker 1: as opposed to it being a singular great or some
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, death by a thousand cuts where
Speaker 1: or death by like seven billion cuts where everybody on
Speaker 1: the planet is like, oh, we've a president to sue
Speaker 1: you know, X on Mobile for We'll guess what I'm
Speaker 1: about to get mine and run them out of business,
Speaker 1: because you're right, you know, the idea that these companies
Speaker 1: are gonna take it upon themselves to fix things, you know,
Speaker 1: they're not. They're gonna just they'll they'll they'll lobby to
Speaker 1: get the laws change that they don't fix it before
Speaker 1: they actually fix anything. So I guess I'm curious, do
Speaker 1: you think this kind of opens the floodgates for a
Speaker 1: bunch of other kind of small lawsuits to slowly kill
Speaker 1: these companies slowly. Mm hmm. I think absolutely it does.
Speaker 1: And now this case hasn't been decided yet, they expect
Speaker 1: that there will be conclusion next year, and I think
Speaker 1: it definitely does open the possibility of it. But this
Speaker 1: case has had a research team collecting evidence for so
Speaker 1: many months. Um, it's quite expensive. I mean they've been
Speaker 1: fundraising through like a grassroots effort and crowdfunding and that
Speaker 1: sort of thing. So I think it sets a really
Speaker 1: important precedent, but there's still a lot of obstacles for
Speaker 1: the everyday person to be able to sue a big company.
Speaker 1: But I also wonder if as this gets more common,
Speaker 1: there will be more infrastructure for us as citizens to
Speaker 1: use that ability. Yeah. I think just like precedents sets
Speaker 1: the you know, sets the path for law to be
Speaker 1: decided without all the extra like litigation. Similarly, you know,
Speaker 1: we set a kind of a tactic to how we
Speaker 1: do our research into these things, what information is most needed,
Speaker 1: and kind of allow us to fast track finding the
Speaker 1: proper information to nail down these companies for what they've done. Yeah. Cool,
Speaker 1: I was saying earlier, like I I am skeptical that
Speaker 1: this could ever work in America because of the Donzinger story.
Speaker 1: And just like we we we usually don't even find
Speaker 1: stories in US, like corporate media that criticized corporations, like
Speaker 1: to the degree that you know, the corporations would not
Speaker 1: approve of. So like the idea that the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: down through like the US justice justice system would allow
Speaker 1: something that completely dismantles these corporations, I feel like is
Speaker 1: wishful thinking. But you did, like find these examples where
Speaker 1: citizen suits have effectively been used in the US, right, right,
Speaker 1: So I'll just read a few examples. So in Washington,
Speaker 1: a citizens suit like this forced dairies to clean up
Speaker 1: after that clean up the sewage from thousands of cows
Speaker 1: that seeped into local actors, polluting the community's drinking water.
Speaker 1: In Texas there is a successful suit against Exxon for
Speaker 1: contaminating the air of a ten million pounds of pollution um.
Speaker 1: And then Ohio there was another case where citizens suit
Speaker 1: and airport for illegal discharges of fluids into streams and creeks,
Speaker 1: And then that also led to a lot of other
Speaker 1: citizen suits against airports for the same reason. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: those were some successful instances. I think they're quite interesting
Speaker 1: because they're they're very local, Like, yeah, maybe the x
Speaker 1: on one is a bit different, but they're very local.
Speaker 1: I think it's different to sue a company that's all
Speaker 1: the way across the world. Yeah, that Texas x on one.
Speaker 1: Because you're you're saying your notes that that was the
Speaker 1: largest penalty resulting from a citizen suit in US history
Speaker 1: like that, It'll be interesting to dig into that and
Speaker 1: figure out, like did they actually get them to pay?
Speaker 1: Did they just sue the lawyer of the of the
Speaker 1: citizens who were suing like in the Donzinger Chevron Ecuador case.
Speaker 1: But yeah, what can you talk about the like countersuits
Speaker 1: that slaps appropriately named slap, Yeah, Like can you believe this?
Speaker 1: So basically when companies face these citizens suits, they launched
Speaker 1: this thing, which is a strategic lawsuit against public participation,
Speaker 1: and the acronym for that is a slap, So they
Speaker 1: just slap these people who are suing them. It's just
Speaker 1: a little Rick James, just a light little slap across
Speaker 1: the face, just the most disrespectful way that you can
Speaker 1: deal with criticism, Like I don't need. Yeah, so a
Speaker 1: slap is basically like, let's let's say Jack is suing
Speaker 1: me because I'm a polluting company. I'm worried that Jack
Speaker 1: is giving me a bad publicity. So instead I sued
Speaker 1: Jack for libel defamation and like maybe say that he's lying.
Speaker 1: And so then when I have my millions and millions
Speaker 1: of dollars um spent on this legal case against Jack,
Speaker 1: who only has you know, a tiny bit of money
Speaker 1: to sue me, he's maneuvering all his resources away to
Speaker 1: protecting himself instead of continuing to sue me and expose
Speaker 1: me and show the rest of the world like how
Speaker 1: damaging my actions are. So then Jack has effectively, you know,
Speaker 1: if he fights my slap, he counters slaps me, and
Speaker 1: that is becoming even more and more common. But as
Speaker 1: you can see, it's just kind of a big distraction
Speaker 1: from the actual problem. I mean, in the US, everyone
Speaker 1: is suing everyone for everything, and this is just an
Speaker 1: extension of that where instead of focusing on the actual
Speaker 1: existential threat at hand, it's slaps and counterslops and more
Speaker 1: counterslops and just keeps going and going. So in the
Speaker 1: U US also we have a long history of the
Speaker 1: corporate media like telling these stories and and then they
Speaker 1: become urban legends. But this the urban legends that we
Speaker 1: hear about corporations bed shipped to people and people suing
Speaker 1: them are often treated at like the everybody knows the
Speaker 1: McDonald's story person spills hot coffee on themselves and Susan McDonald's,
Speaker 1: and it's always it had traditionally been held up as
Speaker 1: a story of you know, how the legal system is
Speaker 1: out of control and you know, just lazy, greedy people
Speaker 1: can just use the court to sue and get the thing.
Speaker 1: And the truth is that like that that person was
Speaker 1: burned very badly and McDonald's was serving their coffee at
Speaker 1: certain locations at a temperature that was actively like really
Speaker 1: harming people, and it was incredibly important that they started
Speaker 1: regulating that. And the thing got them to start regulating
Speaker 1: that was when people started suing them. But the way
Speaker 1: I just feel like America is so thoroughly steeped in
Speaker 1: corporate like policy, corporate culture that even even stories about
Speaker 1: people suing corporations for doing them harm are treated as
Speaker 1: are are like reframed. And I don't have any evidence
Speaker 1: that like Bloomberg and the New York Times conspired with
Speaker 1: McDonald's to like make that the story. But I just
Speaker 1: feel like it's, you know, America's immune system like attacks
Speaker 1: anything that is like remotely left wing or has any
Speaker 1: anti corporate bias like and immediately like turns it on itself.
Speaker 1: Like it's almost like the singularity has happened and it
Speaker 1: is capitalism. Yeah, And just one other thing about this
Speaker 1: case is that there's, yeah, in this case, it's kind
Speaker 1: of an individual versus a company, and they're both outside
Speaker 1: the US. And yeah, the US, as you said, is
Speaker 1: just a whole different beast. But for some, even you know,
Speaker 1: much smaller countries that are just at the verge of
Speaker 1: being underwater, they're thinking, how can we use this precedent
Speaker 1: that's being set, Like can we sue big countries and
Speaker 1: rich nations that have a lot of polluters and profit
Speaker 1: from these companies actions, and yeah, and or can we
Speaker 1: sue the companies directly? Rich nations in two thousand nine
Speaker 1: promised to give developing nations a hundred billion dollars a
Speaker 1: year by to mitigate damage from climate change. But this
Speaker 1: school hasn't been met, and it's also vastly inadequate. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of a big issue. But there's these small
Speaker 1: island nations like to Value and Antigua and Barbuda, and
Speaker 1: if the seas just rise a little bit more, they'll
Speaker 1: literally be underwater. So I mean, they could potentially get
Speaker 1: help by just against suing these companies are suing the
Speaker 1: richer nations for not fulfilling their promises, and that could
Speaker 1: just literally save entire countries. So yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the US system is bureaucratic and complicated and insensitive,
Speaker 1: as is the global system. And how well your nations
Speaker 1: take advantage of poorer nations, uh, and don't give them,
Speaker 1: don't fulfill promises, don't give them the help that they
Speaker 1: deserve after just long legacies of colonialism. So yeah, they
Speaker 1: just marry each other in that sense. Mhm, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I did this. This piece has given me a
Speaker 1: lot of hope, and you know, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of my skepticism about the U S system is like that.
Speaker 1: Traditionally it's been headed by a Supreme Court that is,
Speaker 1: for the past, you know century, very pro corporations, but
Speaker 1: that's going to change as people, as like countries start
Speaker 1: disappear under the ocean, like entire nations. I do feel
Speaker 1: like public opinion on on these sorts of things will
Speaker 1: change and this will eventually be be a way to
Speaker 1: to go about attacking these companies and making them like
Speaker 1: be part of the solution or I don't know if
Speaker 1: they'll ever be part of the solution, but at least
Speaker 1: making them fuck off and leave. M hmm, stop contributing
Speaker 1: to the problem. Slap them away, just slap them away.
Speaker 1: But that is like I feel like the slab is intentional, right,
Speaker 1: like they've created that to be like it's all just
Speaker 1: we're just involved a little slap fight here. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: you are an entire side of a mountain fell off
Speaker 1: and created a horrifying landslide that destroyed entire villages. You
Speaker 1: monsters anyways, you monsters can people are dying actively right? Actively? Yeah? Well, Tricia,
Speaker 1: great having you on. Thank you for bringing the story
Speaker 1: to us. Yeah, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Well we'll have you back soon. Great, all right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a break and then we're gonna come back
Speaker 1: and talk about those sea lions that came at people.
Speaker 1: That wasn't that wasn't on the list, but it is
Speaker 1: now because I have watched the video and it is
Speaker 1: awesome the the other way that nature is fighting back.
Speaker 1: Then it was coming. I was gonna say, yes, the
Speaker 1: way nature is fighting back. And we talked. I think
Speaker 1: somebody said safe harbor before. Well, this is no safe harbor, people,
Speaker 1: this is an unsafe harbor of seals now their sea
Speaker 1: lions ship. All right, we'll we'll work on that. We'll
Speaker 1: be back, and we're back, and Daniel, I will. I
Speaker 1: will leave it to you. You you you brought this clip
Speaker 1: to the dock, and joyfully I did, because, as as
Speaker 1: Tricia so so brilliantly pointed out, we are doing our
Speaker 1: best to fight against the things that are directly affecting
Speaker 1: our climate with lawsuits and protests and everything we can do.
Speaker 1: And Tricia, thank you so much for that incredible story.
Speaker 1: But let me tell you nature is taking it into
Speaker 1: their own hands. The sea lions are revolting, and there's
Speaker 1: thank you very much. I appreciate that hands a little.
Speaker 1: That was a little human centric, and I apologize to
Speaker 1: all of our animal listeners from that one. But our
Speaker 1: era as alphad predators is grinding to a halt. Pack
Speaker 1: up your bags, humans. The sea lions have designed our
Speaker 1: time is over. But yes, so uh this footage that
Speaker 1: many have seen, it was a very viral video that
Speaker 1: was on the internet, on that Twitter, on the Instagram,
Speaker 1: even on the TikTok potentially footage from a La Joya
Speaker 1: cove in San Diego to sea lions chasing people down
Speaker 1: off the beach. Some people grabbing their stuff and heading
Speaker 1: for the hills, others just kind of gently scooting out
Speaker 1: the way. The sea lions were not exactly like moving
Speaker 1: super fast, but they were moving fast enough that people
Speaker 1: were like oh oh oh and kind of making their
Speaker 1: way out of the beach. They seem to be It
Speaker 1: looked like it was a concerted, like pre planned military sweep,
Speaker 1: like the way they came and they were in parallel
Speaker 1: and just moving across the beach and it was in sync.
Speaker 1: It was in sync. They were saying bye bye bye
Speaker 1: to all the beach goers right there, thank you very much. Okay,
Speaker 1: So now there's two perspectives on the story, and I
Speaker 1: want to throw them both out there. So one of
Speaker 1: them comes from a spokesperson from Sea World, classically canceled.
Speaker 1: Sea World says this of the incident, you would really
Speaker 1: only notice if you watch a lot of Sea lion behavior. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but the fact that one jumps in the water and
Speaker 1: the other does so quickly after shows they are following
Speaker 1: one another. Now, I think what they're trying to do
Speaker 1: is is placate all the scary people who were like
Speaker 1: those sea lion and all the pearl clutters who were
Speaker 1: saying those sea lions came to attack me and see
Speaker 1: worlds trying to say oh no, no, no, they were
Speaker 1: playing and just following each other around. But that's a
Speaker 1: bunch of maloney because if you go to the quote
Speaker 1: from our friend who actually filmed the incident, they say,
Speaker 1: the sea lions were sleeping and we're just massive on
Speaker 1: the beach and I was watching them and this woman
Speaker 1: got really close to them. Crucial note. This woman got
Speaker 1: really close to them, like four ft away and was
Speaker 1: trying to take a photo of it up close, and
Speaker 1: it just woke up and started chasing everybody and let
Speaker 1: me just so that's it right there. This is um
Speaker 1: SeaWorld once again, just a quick note that sorry, uh yeah,
Speaker 1: San Diego SeaWorld. Just quick note that they were actually
Speaker 1: playing duckt Doug Goose and yeah, so she was after
Speaker 1: the sea lions were completely on it. They're just playing.
Speaker 1: It was just fun. No need to be worried, come
Speaker 1: to see world. Have you seen the size of their teeth?
Speaker 1: Like there is just something right, Like it's just something
Speaker 1: alarming about Like I wouldn't even want to be No,
Speaker 1: like they stink. Why would you get that close? Whoever,
Speaker 1: everybody on that beach deserved it that day. Everybody could
Speaker 1: not agree more. This smacks of people's relationship with hippos.
Speaker 1: Hippos and one of the most dangerous animals in the world.
Speaker 1: They classically kill some of the most humans ever because
Speaker 1: people see them and they go hungry. Hungry hippos ha
Speaker 1: ha ha. Hippos are large, they are fast, they're dangerous.
Speaker 1: They will chomp you up. And sea lions may not
Speaker 1: be as fast or quite as large, but they are
Speaker 1: still big. They throw it around, they have teeth and
Speaker 1: they will get at you. And it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of like, what are you doing? What are you doing
Speaker 1: messing with nature? Walking up to this gentle beast that,
Speaker 1: per this account, was sleeping on the beach. Literally could
Speaker 1: have just left it alone, But then someone decides to
Speaker 1: go up because they want to snap a selfie, trying
Speaker 1: to get the content and they get what's coming to that. Frankly,
Speaker 1: it is deserved. That's all I said about that. Don't
Speaker 1: funk with the animals, truly, hippos. Hippos are up there,
Speaker 1: Hippo people killed a year, and you know dogs are
Speaker 1: up there as well, which the nature of the amount
Speaker 1: of dogs around, of course, exactly, it's it's cuteness. It's
Speaker 1: the cuteness is the danger. Like people are like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, a hippo, Like they're they're picturing the hippo,
Speaker 1: the hippos from Fantasia in two twos, like dancing and
Speaker 1: being fun, fun little goofs, and yeah, we really need
Speaker 1: to leave animals alone. Like I'm just I'm happy that,
Speaker 1: you know, our elephants are getting their time, sea lions,
Speaker 1: we have hippos that are checking people. I'm just happy
Speaker 1: that that that somewhere out there, you know, Simba and
Speaker 1: his father said get these people together, and I am
Speaker 1: so here for it. I would love to imagine that
Speaker 1: Mufassa appeared in the clouds above those sea lions and said,
Speaker 1: real time take the and they were like, is right,
Speaker 1: we gotta do this thing. I think the thing that's
Speaker 1: tab doubt is the fact that what I saw them galloping,
Speaker 1: it was like they were sweeping the beach exactly. They
Speaker 1: literally were sweeping the beach, like get out of here,
Speaker 1: Like it's just I can't, I can't. Yeah, they weren't. Like.
Speaker 1: We want one of you gone. We want the person
Speaker 1: who was trying to take a picture with me while
Speaker 1: I was sleeping gone. We want all of you systemically
Speaker 1: off this beach right now and forevermore. Sea lions are
Speaker 1: tired of Karen's too. Yes, let's take a video so
Speaker 1: your people see this ship too. Okay, yeah, get the content. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the deadliest creatures worldwide by angle
Speaker 1: number of human deaths. Okay, Snakes, i'd say, are the
Speaker 1: you know, mosquitoes have the most seven hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 1: Snakes are at a hundred thousand snakes, and snakes as
Speaker 1: advertised snakes. You know, I think people are like, wells,
Speaker 1: snakes aren't that bad. But there's uh, there's some bad snakes,
Speaker 1: you know. I think I think those snakes fall into
Speaker 1: the category of like ever present, but you don't think
Speaker 1: about it, especially with mosquitoes. Mosquitoes especially it's like carrying
Speaker 1: that malaria everywhere. You're like, oh, right, I guess they
Speaker 1: do kill a bunch of people and snakes everywhere as well.
Speaker 1: But then you line it up against more like classically
Speaker 1: like dangerous animals, like shark attacks or like lion attacks,
Speaker 1: or like, these are these big, ferocious beasts that are
Speaker 1: out there in the world, maybe killing like a couple
Speaker 1: of people, like very rare, six very rare for a
Speaker 1: shark attack, but even though there's some of the most
Speaker 1: like deadly animals in the world. But then you get
Speaker 1: a hippo, and a hippo is just out classing your
Speaker 1: lions and your tigers, your bears, oh my, by a
Speaker 1: large extent. And it's like you have to give hippos
Speaker 1: sea lions the credit they deserve. They are, they deserve
Speaker 1: their space, So given to them something called assassin bugs
Speaker 1: twelve thousand. I don't even know what that is, but
Speaker 1: that I guess we should have known with that name scars.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, sharks are definitely the number one
Speaker 1: threat animal threat based on movies there at the very
Speaker 1: bottom of the list. That's good, that's good shark pr Honestly,
Speaker 1: we need to get that in the mix. Yeah, swim
Speaker 1: the sharks they killed the least people we've been we've
Speaker 1: been trying. But all right, let's talk about Bloomberg. Bloomberg's
Speaker 1: top cities for singles to relocate to, and it's a
Speaker 1: list of ten. The number one city is Wichita, Kansas,
Speaker 1: followed by Austin also on the list, and Tonio, Houston,
Speaker 1: and Dallas all in the top ten as Milwaukee. So
Speaker 1: we've got five states that are in reliably like deep
Speaker 1: red states, five cities that are in reliably deep red states.
Speaker 1: It feels like an article that was made twenty years ago. Maybe,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we can't move to especially single people can't
Speaker 1: move to reliably red states like Kansas or fucking Texas
Speaker 1: like now that. Yeah, they don't have autonomy over their
Speaker 1: own bodies, Like what what are you? It's it that
Speaker 1: when you read the article, it's all based on rent price. Literally,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, this is literally one metric here
Speaker 1: and it is rent price. Yeah. And they also advertised
Speaker 1: witch Dot, Kansas as halfway between Manhattan and San Francisco,
Speaker 1: as if it's like, oh, a convenient way point between
Speaker 1: these two huge cities. We're talking in the middle of
Speaker 1: an enormous country. It's like, well, you can take a
Speaker 1: three hour flight in either direction to get to these places,
Speaker 1: like halfway between what and what. Come on, They also
Speaker 1: forgot to say you have to be white, whereas I'm
Speaker 1: like a lot of these places are not safe for
Speaker 1: marginalized or minoritized people. And so like seeing that, I'm
Speaker 1: looking around, going, I wonder what the violence number looks
Speaker 1: like there? Yeah, so you know, I I do want
Speaker 1: to like specify, like not saying give these states or
Speaker 1: these cities up for like, like I think that has
Speaker 1: been a big reaction to the row thing is like
Speaker 1: we'll just move and you know that's not a not
Speaker 1: a solution. Shout out to Wichita, which how to rally
Speaker 1: this weekend for a August election that's going to determine
Speaker 1: if the constitution outright bands abortion and the turnout was
Speaker 1: very inspiring, But just that that that is not mentioned
Speaker 1: once in a thing where the title of the article
Speaker 1: and the main thing is like this is where single
Speaker 1: should go to mingle. It's like, what all right? And
Speaker 1: finally there's an article in the take out about someone
Speaker 1: coming to the terms with favored form of burrito consumption
Speaker 1: discovering that it's not just her and I want to
Speaker 1: just I want to invite listeners to share their own
Speaker 1: so that we may find help you find your people.
Speaker 1: But so the form of burrito consumption in question involves
Speaker 1: creating a hole in the tortilla, sucking the insides out
Speaker 1: until it's just like a flaccid tortilla, like an empty
Speaker 1: sleeping bag like style. And yeah, that it made me
Speaker 1: think of Vincent Dinofrio's Edgar and Men in Black, minus
Speaker 1: the part where he wears around the skin pray. Imagine
Speaker 1: you suck down your burrito and then put the burrito
Speaker 1: skin over your face. I am the burrito. They don't
Speaker 1: mention if that is part of the process that they
Speaker 1: do with their burrito, so we we don't know, but
Speaker 1: I'm guessing not, that's just the Buffalo bill style activity
Speaker 1: you do after the fact. You don't tell anybody about that,
Speaker 1: buttray and you're you know, you're in your bedroom breedom.
Speaker 1: You have the brito fish. But I don't know. So
Speaker 1: I've talked about how I big mac my oreos to
Speaker 1: get the perfect cream to cookie ratio. That's just smart.
Speaker 1: So oreos regular oreos not sweet enough for me. Um,
Speaker 1: So I have to have like three cookies per two
Speaker 1: creams when you big Mac your oreo, and that is
Speaker 1: something I do quietly when nobody else is around. I'm
Speaker 1: not like at a party big Mac and my oreos
Speaker 1: totally proudly. But I do it. Yeah, they go, you do,
Speaker 1: and I said, I do. I am person. I have
Speaker 1: no shame. No, I've not thought about it that way,
Speaker 1: but I do it. I have no shame in eating
Speaker 1: things the way I want to eat things. Yeah, Jack,
Speaker 1: I support that stand in your oreo ness and it
Speaker 1: so we need more parties where we actually have collections
Speaker 1: of snacks that people can modify to their own liking.
Speaker 1: It's all meat and cheese plates and it's like that's fine,
Speaker 1: but like, how are you gonna do you know, meat
Speaker 1: and cheese a little differently. You're not gonna be like, well,
Speaker 1: actually I wrapped the cheese around the meat. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: isn't that cool. It's like, no, give me a bunch
Speaker 1: of oreos, Give me a big old thing of sour cream.
Speaker 1: I don't know, get some pretzels, like you know, just
Speaker 1: just mix all, get a whole bunch of snacks. And
Speaker 1: they'll be like, how do you do this kind of stuff?
Speaker 1: Because it's all about how we approach these snacks differently.
Speaker 1: That makes them fun and gives everybody an opportunity to,
Speaker 1: you know, consume in a fun manner. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to the way orioles are vegan. Oh that's right, at
Speaker 1: some point, I love that. Good for oreos. Daniel. Did
Speaker 1: you say you had your own? I do have my
Speaker 1: own weird eating habits that I've talked about many times before.
Speaker 1: My favorite is might consume my consumption of hummus and goldfish.
Speaker 1: I will take my my spoonful, I will have a
Speaker 1: bowl of hummus or just the hummus receptacle itself. Shout
Speaker 1: out Trader Joe's, and I will get a bowl of goldfish.
Speaker 1: I'll take my spoon and take a spoonful of hummus
Speaker 1: and then just dip that spoonful of hummus into the
Speaker 1: bowl of goldfish and make myself a little goldfish Hummus
Speaker 1: Hummus lollipop and just like that little goldfish bomb. Yes, sir, yes, sir.
Speaker 1: And you know some people are like, what, but let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. No better way to consume those
Speaker 1: two things at the same time. You get a good
Speaker 1: amount of crisp, a little bit of that cheesy flavor
Speaker 1: the salt, mixed them with the hummus. How else are
Speaker 1: you gonna get the things that you can't be taking
Speaker 1: a little goldfish and dipping in the hummus, getting hummus
Speaker 1: all over your fingers there and then you gotta do
Speaker 1: that gross like I'm licking your fingers while you're doing it.
Speaker 1: It's safe, it's sanitary, and it's a great way to
Speaker 1: consume hummus with goldfish and um, I will be taking quick.
Speaker 1: You are correct, that is that is the correct way
Speaker 1: to eat those two things in combination. I think other
Speaker 1: people would claim, well, I just don't eat them then together,
Speaker 1: but that's they're lying. I have eaten them together and
Speaker 1: I have gotten the hummus on the fingies and it's
Speaker 1: not great. It's not a proud moment, I will say. Also,
Speaker 1: like with chips and salsa, it's the only way to
Speaker 1: eat the bottom of the chip bag with the salsa
Speaker 1: is to spoon of salsa, drop the chip crumbles on
Speaker 1: the top, and then eat it like cereal or or
Speaker 1: full on cereal, and just pour the rest of the
Speaker 1: bag into the slowly lessening receptacle of salsa and just
Speaker 1: you know scoop out. I can't get on board with that, unfortunately. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, and then we are on different planes. But
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. When my chip bag gets low,
Speaker 1: I'm dumping it into the bowl with the with the
Speaker 1: this or the salsa or whatever. It's going down. I'm
Speaker 1: scooping it out with the spoon. I'm eating it. It's
Speaker 1: coming down. It's going down. That's coming down for real? Alright?
Speaker 1: Well is that gang? This is this is a call
Speaker 1: to arms. Let us know any any food consumption habits
Speaker 1: that you are, you know, ashamed of, that you don't
Speaker 1: want to share with the world you can feel for,
Speaker 1: or that you're not ashamed of. But just you know,
Speaker 1: let's let's find our people, you know, let's let's share
Speaker 1: with the world. John, truly a pleasure having you. Where
Speaker 1: can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff? Well,
Speaker 1: when I'm not stalking my local Crispy Green, you can
Speaker 1: find me on social media by using the hand out
Speaker 1: at Dr John Paul. You have to spell dr d
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Speaker 1: L and yeah, that's im. I'm and my website ww
Speaker 1: dot Dr John Paul dot com. And where can they
Speaker 1: hear you one more time. You can hear me every
Speaker 1: Tuesday starting today on the Black Fat Film podcast production.
Speaker 1: But I heart media and it is uh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gonna gonna be in your ear. So yeah, I'll be
Speaker 1: on the on the podcast there and uh, I'm just
Speaker 1: really exciting. Thank you so much for having me. This
Speaker 1: has truly been a dream come true. Amazing, was so
Speaker 1: wonderful having you. Is there a tweet or some of
Speaker 1: the work of social media that you've been enjoying? Yes,
Speaker 1: so I have some other work. I love it. Account Also,
Speaker 1: a good friend of mine, Risha, tweeted people be like,
Speaker 1: believe in yourself, then be like but not that much.
Speaker 1: I thought that that was just genius. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: really the Lee tweet that has really made me go,
Speaker 1: you know what, I see it and I support it.
Speaker 1: I love it. M DJ Daniel. Yes, sir, thank you
Speaker 1: again for all your guest hosting service. Geez, always a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you and follow you? And is
Speaker 1: there a tweet that you've been enjoying? You absolutely can,
Speaker 1: and there's two tweets, but you can follow me at
Speaker 1: DJ Underscore Daniel. That's d A n L on all
Speaker 1: the social media's and especially on Twitch, where I like
Speaker 1: to embarrass myself three times a week Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.
Speaker 1: I hope you sure do come through. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. We do the streaming thing there. And I
Speaker 1: have two tweets. One is related to the whole Shenzo
Speaker 1: Abe thing where they were accidentally accusing Hideo Kojima, the
Speaker 1: brilliant game designer, of being the one that killed Shenzo Abe.
Speaker 1: And the tweet is Hideo Cogima gets accused of assassinating
Speaker 1: Shenzo Abe and he's probably just watching the four K
Speaker 1: release of Flubber or something, and that is facts that
Speaker 1: dude is a movie nerd and he was for sure
Speaker 1: in the middle of watching Minions Rise of grou and
Speaker 1: was like what anyway. And the second tweet is from
Speaker 1: Vinnie Thomas at v I N then underscore a y y.
Speaker 1: I love Vinnie Thomas. And the tweet is when a
Speaker 1: goldfish has a castle and a treasure chest okay, dynastic wealth.
Speaker 1: I love Vinnie Thomas anyway, Okay, uh, And and that's
Speaker 1: me and I hearpe you hope you have a great
Speaker 1: rest of your day. Uh. You can find me on
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Speaker 1: I have to itch the mosquito bite on my ankle
Speaker 1: until I reach bone. Hannah Joe tweeted, I'm going Elvis
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Speaker 1: name because I read their tweets very often. They're very funny. Tweeted.
Speaker 1: People are like, we know less about the deep ocean
Speaker 1: than the moon. Good have you seen what's down there?
Speaker 1: It's terrifying. We should know as little about it as possible.
Speaker 1: The entire reason to go to space is to get
Speaker 1: farther from the ocean, which I think is a good
Speaker 1: buddy A good response to that. You can find us
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Speaker 1: well as a song that we think you might enjoy.
Speaker 1: Super producer justin what is a song that you think
Speaker 1: people might enjoy that we can link off too? On
Speaker 1: the foot note, al Right, well, we all know that
Speaker 1: we are fans of Hiatus Coyote at podcast, but I
Speaker 1: want to recommend a tract from Napalm uh the lead singer.
Speaker 1: If I eat this Coyote, she's doing like an acoustic
Speaker 1: RMB thing here, and it's rare. You listen to a
Speaker 1: song for the background singers and the way she plays
Speaker 1: off of them, it's it's unbelievably soulful. John. I know
Speaker 1: you are not a fan of listening to white women,
Speaker 1: but there are exceptions to every rule. This woman is
Speaker 1: inspired by soul and North African music, and man, you
Speaker 1: can tell her background singers are just incredible. And this
Speaker 1: is a song called cross Fire Backslash So Into You
Speaker 1: because halfway through the song, the whole band switches to
Speaker 1: a different track by Toama and featuring Fabulous to Smash
Speaker 1: Hit uh So Into You, and it's it's an incredible
Speaker 1: melding of these two tracks. And yeah, you can find
Speaker 1: this song and the flip notes that's once again Napalm
Speaker 1: cross Fire Backslash so into you. In fact, I love
Speaker 1: this song so much I may have recommended it before,
Speaker 1: and you know, you guys can feel free to let
Speaker 1: me know in the discord because I won't read it
Speaker 1: and I love the song anyway, and I can check
Speaker 1: it out again and enjoy yourself there and you can
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