Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to forty five,
Speaker 1: episode four of Jo's I Got You Stay production of
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take
Speaker 1: a deep dive into American share of consciousness. And it's Thursday,
Speaker 1: July four teen point point two said that like disease,
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Speaker 1: National Tape Measure Day. He shout out the Noble Tape Measure.
Speaker 1: Also and Cheese Day. Okay, I'm not big. I feel
Speaker 1: like Mac and Cheese is probably like appropriately rated, you know,
Speaker 1: like I don't need fee and Cheese restaurant to be
Speaker 1: like yeah, but I don't need that ship Like it's
Speaker 1: a it's a solid side if you if your main
Speaker 1: course is not getting the job done, is not going
Speaker 1: to like stick to your ribs, you can go Mac
Speaker 1: and cheese and like it adds a little extra, But
Speaker 1: I do not need a Mac and cheese restaurant. Mac
Speaker 1: and Cheese is just it's I feel like it's perfect,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like I'm never mad at it. There,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh there you are. Hey, I love thee
Speaker 1: but I'm never like I think it's all contextual, right,
Speaker 1: because like in certain family meals, like it has to
Speaker 1: be there culturally in some places, like you gotta have
Speaker 1: the macacheese there. Yeah. I feel like it's also gets
Speaker 1: sucked up more often than people probably like it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can't suck that one up, but you can. You
Speaker 1: can frequently do not you in particular the people in general.
Speaker 1: That is one of my mom kills kills it on
Speaker 1: the mac and cheese, and I have her recipe and
Speaker 1: it's one of the very few things that she made
Speaker 1: really well that I'm able to, you know, replicate everyone.
Speaker 1: It's been described as like Heroin by somebody who has
Speaker 1: done Heroin. Wow, Like it wasn't like a complete They
Speaker 1: were like, this is so good. It's like Heroin, And
Speaker 1: I was like, well, Heroin, don't say how good Heroin
Speaker 1: is around my children, but I appreciate the compliment. Like
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Speaker 1: The Break with c J and Alex. With yesterday's guest,
Speaker 1: c J Toldanna, it's Alex wa. What's up, Alex? What's up? Guys?
Speaker 1: How did they decide those national whatever days? By the way,
Speaker 1: like when did that start? Because there's one every day?
Speaker 1: I know, m here, I love that because there's always something. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think you just submit it because they're there are
Speaker 1: ones that are so out of left field to have
Speaker 1: like no significance aside from the people who decided it
Speaker 1: was like a significant day to celebrate like, you know,
Speaker 1: Staplers or some ship, although may not. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want to slag off Staplers. I think massively important
Speaker 1: you're talking about. But then the last time you use
Speaker 1: the state player though three days ago. Yeah all right,
Speaker 1: I had a six year old and a four year
Speaker 1: old they think Staplers are very cool. Oh so, so
Speaker 1: happy National Staple Slapler Day whatever. But yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: day for everything. And like when you read that, when
Speaker 1: you read the like description, sometimes it's like it'll even
Speaker 1: tell on itself. It's like so and so decided that
Speaker 1: this needed to be a holiday when they're Golden Retriever
Speaker 1: did a backflip off the back of their r V
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, yeah, and sometimes you can just
Speaker 1: when when it's completely invisible the origins, You're like, okay,
Speaker 1: so what industry decided that this was National casings Day
Speaker 1: or whatever national It was National Fried Chicken Day last week,
Speaker 1: I believe, or a couple of weeks ago. And I'm
Speaker 1: just always confused, like, are like I feel under pressure
Speaker 1: to like celebrate that, Like I probably chicken a lot,
Speaker 1: but am I supposed to go eat that when it's
Speaker 1: a holiday? When it's a national day. I feel like
Speaker 1: if you're you know, if you are already on or
Speaker 1: the dish, then it's like it's like, look, I'm you're
Speaker 1: you're already in the game. You know, you don't need
Speaker 1: to you don't need to do ceremonial like celebrations just
Speaker 1: for the optics. If you're living that life already, That's
Speaker 1: what I Okay, no, no, I'm with that. I'm with that.
Speaker 1: I'm just it's so fascinating to me because I feel
Speaker 1: like this is something that has just popped up, or
Speaker 1: maybe it's been around forever and I'm just noticing it
Speaker 1: because I feel like someone's celebrating a national holiday every day,
Speaker 1: and it's really confusing to me. Yeah. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like you used to be at the territory of like
Speaker 1: the most annoying person in or office who is just
Speaker 1: like looking for something to talk to any Hey, hey, gang,
Speaker 1: did you know what day it is? I don't know, Steve.
Speaker 1: But now because we are all that annoying person looking
Speaker 1: for shipped to talk about on social media, it's it's
Speaker 1: definitely taken on a second life. M Yeah, We're all
Speaker 1: just it's marketing has become like so powerful. Well, now
Speaker 1: that with with the advent of social media, that like,
Speaker 1: our society is completely designed by the marketing industry, and
Speaker 1: they're just like, what if we gave every day a
Speaker 1: thing that allowed us to bring attention to stuff and
Speaker 1: people talked about it on their own and our podcast
Speaker 1: was like, yes, please, yes, please, and don't forget folks,
Speaker 1: National twenty or January twenty or July twenty three is
Speaker 1: a gorgeous Grandma day. Yes, what are you supposed to
Speaker 1: do with that information? This is just all I want
Speaker 1: to know. Yeah, that's that's you know, just a shout
Speaker 1: out of gorgeous Grandma and there you go. Alright, Alex,
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a
Speaker 1: couple of the things that we are talking about today.
Speaker 1: Coolla Night seven just another another banger. As we got
Speaker 1: more details, we got a real, a real spicy meeting
Speaker 1: where everybody was just shouting at each other. Trump like
Speaker 1: literally got some I got a White House aid to
Speaker 1: like sneak his boys in the back door. And then
Speaker 1: like the people who actually work at the White House
Speaker 1: were like, how the fun How did you get in here.
Speaker 1: Like one of the aids was like, oh shoot, I
Speaker 1: just saw Rudy Giuliani and like called her boss, and
Speaker 1: then everybody like came running. Is like it was. It
Speaker 1: was like having a child and there like unruly friends
Speaker 1: that you try not to have around were like sneaking
Speaker 1: in through the bedroom window. But anyways, in this case
Speaker 1: it almost led to the cooing of the nation. A
Speaker 1: soft coup, a dumb coup, but a coup. Nonetheless. Somebody's
Speaker 1: face timing me. I've never been FaceTime by somebody who
Speaker 1: I wasn't don't have them in my phone. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know you were allowed to do that. That's an
Speaker 1: attack on me. We're gonna talk about the hard Seltzer boom.
Speaker 1: It is officially gone flat. That c there is, so
Speaker 1: we we're gonna talk about that plenty more. But first, Alex,
Speaker 1: we like to ask eric guests, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history that is revealing about who you are? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So mine is um. I was looking up one of
Speaker 1: the searches I did earlier this week. It just said
Speaker 1: Lyle breaking bad Um. I guess I was watching better
Speaker 1: called Saul and I was looking up just obscure this
Speaker 1: obscure character named Lyle who runs uh who's the assistant
Speaker 1: manager of the chicken shop. And this is just something
Speaker 1: that I like to do in terms of like when
Speaker 1: I watched TV shows or movies, especially when I just
Speaker 1: think of a show that I watched like twenty years ago,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if the two of you ever
Speaker 1: watched Lost when it was out, like that was such
Speaker 1: one of my favorite shows. And like once in a
Speaker 1: while or like something like more you know, popular, maybe
Speaker 1: something like The Sopranos, you know, or The Wire things
Speaker 1: like that. Once in a while, I'll just be laying
Speaker 1: in bed at two in the morning and think of
Speaker 1: a really random character. And the best part about it
Speaker 1: is there's these dedicated wiki page is to t shows
Speaker 1: and I will just read their character history from like
Speaker 1: season one to season six and just give myself a
Speaker 1: refresher of the life of these fictional characters. And it's
Speaker 1: just I guess this is just something I like to do,
Speaker 1: just dive into these fictional universes. Wait, so what did
Speaker 1: you learn about Lyle the assistant manager of Yeah? So
Speaker 1: I was really because like he popped up on this
Speaker 1: latest episode of Better called Saul, which is like a
Speaker 1: prequel to Breaking Bad, and I completely forgot. I completely
Speaker 1: forgot that he had this whole story arc. So I
Speaker 1: just wanted to check in on, you know, when he
Speaker 1: was hired, when he was fired, his highlights and low
Speaker 1: lights and things like that, and um, I've completely already
Speaker 1: I've completely already forgot when I read from like Monday.
Speaker 1: So that just goes to show you how how much
Speaker 1: memory I retained. I thought it was just fans being like,
Speaker 1: you know, they should bring back Lyle, Like, was me
Speaker 1: like thirteen or something? He he's a child. How did
Speaker 1: they bring him back without him being like it's me
Speaker 1: while it's TV man that they they make the magic happen.
Speaker 1: But they have they've done something with d aging, like
Speaker 1: there was a breakthrough d Aging. Have y'all watched Hacks? Yes? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the like young footage of her of Jean Gray like
Speaker 1: smarted the most powerful mutant in the universe. The aging
Speaker 1: is I mean she might be a mutant because of
Speaker 1: how Dann good there. They they're able to just like
Speaker 1: d age her. My wife was like, wait, so was
Speaker 1: she a famous stand up and this is like real
Speaker 1: footage because she really like they've they've nailed it. What's that?
Speaker 1: What's that Scorsese Netflix movie? That one kind of looked
Speaker 1: like the aging was terrible on that. Yeah, so it
Speaker 1: was there a leap forward. And by the way, they
Speaker 1: spent like two hundred fifty million dollars on that to
Speaker 1: get that d aging technology. And I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: can we just give up on d aging because it's
Speaker 1: never gonna work apparently, Like I guess Pesci looked so
Speaker 1: somewhat like young and some of the things, but like
Speaker 1: de Niro looked like he was, you know, should be
Speaker 1: working security on the Polar Express for like he just
Speaker 1: like looked dead eyed and weird. I think you don't
Speaker 1: think Jean Jeane Smart looks good and like as the
Speaker 1: young I think it. I'm just saying it to me.
Speaker 1: I still clock it as being like edited by computers,
Speaker 1: so but not just like deductively where I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: this can't exist, so therefore must be computers. But like,
Speaker 1: I think the benefit to those clips are they're already
Speaker 1: like aged media, So like making something from a PHS
Speaker 1: look clean is much easier than like shooting someone in
Speaker 1: like four K and being like make that ship look clean.
Speaker 1: So I think the challenge is a little bit different.
Speaker 1: Just to put on my old production brain for a second,
Speaker 1: but in that sense, like because I don't know if
Speaker 1: you saw stranger things this last season, they did a
Speaker 1: lot of Young eleven stuff, and even then I was like,
Speaker 1: that looks a little that looks a little computer e
Speaker 1: but it's nonetheless it looks better than you know, what
Speaker 1: we've seen in the past for sure, what we're accustomed to. Yea,
Speaker 1: So wait, how they do Lile Like what because he's
Speaker 1: the assist manager. He's assist as managers at Los Poulos harmonious, right,
Speaker 1: But showing him in Better Call Saul, like, did he
Speaker 1: look much like drastically different than the memories from Loo?
Speaker 1: He actually looks the exact same. I feel like I
Speaker 1: feel like Better Call solves the type of show where
Speaker 1: they're not that crazy on the d ajing, like like
Speaker 1: they think they feel like the fans understand, you know,
Speaker 1: if this is a prequel, so like we don't need
Speaker 1: to kind of just like you know, pay two fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars on Lyle and you know, throw it in
Speaker 1: your face. Yeah. And also like they've had like the
Speaker 1: help of Babo Kirk just like suddenly getting in like
Speaker 1: incredible shape after his other roles, like Mike's character. The
Speaker 1: actor who plays Mike, he just looks like he's seventy
Speaker 1: all all time. So it's not like you need to
Speaker 1: make a big difference there, right. Yeah. Yeah, well that's
Speaker 1: why I'm glad to see Lyle. I remember clagging him
Speaker 1: as like somebody who actually looks like they have nailed
Speaker 1: the casting of somebody who works at a It's like
Speaker 1: they actually went into a chicken spot. Yeah, they and
Speaker 1: they just found the guy and they're like, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: just gonna typecast you thinking age. One more thing about
Speaker 1: this though, I just found out recently that Ray Shorn,
Speaker 1: the actors who pay who plays Kim Wexler, she's fifty
Speaker 1: in real life. I swear I thought she was like
Speaker 1: a thirty two year old. Yeah she really reads thirty
Speaker 1: two for sure. Yeah. I mean like on some level,
Speaker 1: I'm very impressed and like I'm like, man, like that
Speaker 1: is just a perfect, you know, human specimen. But like
Speaker 1: the Bob Owden correct of it. Like you hear him
Speaker 1: talk about like what his past five years have been like,
Speaker 1: and like you know, he's got a staff that comes
Speaker 1: and works on his body. With him, like he's Lebron
Speaker 1: James and like, you know, so when it's a full
Speaker 1: time job that pays well, I feel like I get it,
Speaker 1: you know that, Like so that is that's what's possible,
Speaker 1: and it's interesting to like see what the limits of
Speaker 1: capitalism and that being you know, human will and vanity
Speaker 1: can do. But no, I think that's such a great
Speaker 1: point because I've always told people, like, if I had
Speaker 1: the money, I get I get in real good train
Speaker 1: Like I look like I'd hire a personal trainer, have
Speaker 1: someone scream at me every day because I'm off the
Speaker 1: type that can just like self motivate myself to like
Speaker 1: go to the gym. My my exercising is biking, a
Speaker 1: lot of walking, a lot of cardio. But like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I hear people and like even have
Speaker 1: friends who have like personal trainers and stuff, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I gotta devote my money somewhere else. I just go
Speaker 1: to the gym for the culture. I actually don't left.
Speaker 1: I just like like gym culture, just the conversation, just
Speaker 1: people watching, Yeah, just people watching getting to know and
Speaker 1: keep asking me to sign up for gym membership so
Speaker 1: I can give him the guest pass like me from
Speaker 1: the line, I need you to just walk around hands
Speaker 1: on your hips, sucking the keith. All right, which kind
Speaker 1: of squat are you trying to do there? Because it's
Speaker 1: not like not not any type of squad. I know.
Speaker 1: I'm here every day do squats. What's your name? Rick? Oh? Chell? Okay,
Speaker 1: I do go by Rick when I'm at the gym. Actually,
Speaker 1: so I'm helpful, Alex. What something you think is underrated?
Speaker 1: Something that is underrated, I want to say, is not
Speaker 1: having an important job. So, um, I guess I should
Speaker 1: explain this a little. So you know I worked, I
Speaker 1: work in a while, Yeah, I work in sports. You know,
Speaker 1: you guys have have this successful, wonderful podcast, Like we're
Speaker 1: in this media space. You know, I'm not gonna speak
Speaker 1: for you guys, but like, nothing that I do is
Speaker 1: that important, okay, Like, like the worst thing that ever
Speaker 1: happened is like, oh, I'll have a wrong analysis about
Speaker 1: where Kevin Durant is supposed to go. And I was
Speaker 1: at a bar last night with some friends and one
Speaker 1: of my friends brought her her partner over and I
Speaker 1: never I met him a few times. He was a
Speaker 1: super chill dude, like you know, we we get high,
Speaker 1: we we grab drinks. He's like one of the chill dudes.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I finally asked him, got to know
Speaker 1: a bill a bit. I'm like, what do you do.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm an, I see you doctor, And I
Speaker 1: was like, I see you notice and I'm like, holy
Speaker 1: sh it. I was like damn, Like just from like
Speaker 1: meeting you a couple of times, I wouldn't have never
Speaker 1: thought that was your job. And he started telling me
Speaker 1: about all the different experiences. He's like, oh yeah, he's
Speaker 1: just casually mentioned. He's like, oh yeah, the other time
Speaker 1: a woman came in and we and you know, she
Speaker 1: pulled a pocket knife out of her purse and you
Speaker 1: know she was gonna stab me, Like like it was
Speaker 1: just another day on the job, like me saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: I woke up to that, recorded a pod with you
Speaker 1: guys and move on. And I'm like, how do you
Speaker 1: separate these two things? And He's like, when I walk
Speaker 1: in that door and the I see you, I do
Speaker 1: my job, and then when I I'm out of there,
Speaker 1: I have to separate it, like I'm not going to
Speaker 1: carry that with me. And it just made me realize,
Speaker 1: like listen, I'm not trying to put down all these
Speaker 1: and like these are very important jobs, like especially you know,
Speaker 1: in the pandemic and things like that. But it just
Speaker 1: made me realize, like how comfortable of a life I live,
Speaker 1: and a lot of my colleagues and all of us
Speaker 1: live with the fact that, like, we do jobs that
Speaker 1: are really stupid. We do jobs that didn't exist like
Speaker 1: like twenty years ago. So so I think that I
Speaker 1: think that is really underrated in a way of that
Speaker 1: it's such a privilege to have a not important job,
Speaker 1: because at no point in my life, in my twenty
Speaker 1: four hon do I ever need to be like an
Speaker 1: ICU nurse and have to like split work and personal
Speaker 1: Like this is just how I am All the time.
Speaker 1: I consume sports. I get paid to do things in
Speaker 1: the sports world, and that's it and and so so
Speaker 1: so I think it's very underrated if you have a
Speaker 1: job that doesn't matter that page. Yeah, there are some
Speaker 1: industries where the stay makes are incredibly low and everybody
Speaker 1: treats it like the stakes are incredibly high and important,
Speaker 1: and that like that is actually I'd say the norm
Speaker 1: would be like there there's even a thing, there's a
Speaker 1: thing called Sarah's law. I think it was. I think
Speaker 1: Sarah was like an academic and there were in any dispute,
Speaker 1: the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value
Speaker 1: of the issues at stake. That is why academic politics
Speaker 1: are so bitter. And that feels right to me and
Speaker 1: appropriate to a lot of places that I've been in
Speaker 1: in my life. Is that like the places that have low,
Speaker 1: low stakes people are going to be be very intense.
Speaker 1: And I do love podcasting because there's not a single
Speaker 1: person in podcasting other than you know, maybe like one
Speaker 1: or two who is like this is life or death
Speaker 1: out here. I think we're all pretty much aware of
Speaker 1: the yeah, and I'm not I'm not saying, like, you know,
Speaker 1: like the stuff that I do, you guys do it's
Speaker 1: not important, but like I kind of would classify all
Speaker 1: of us. It's kind of like in entertainment in a way, right,
Speaker 1: Like like we do these shows to entertain listeners, and
Speaker 1: like I'm a huge podcast listener and I can see
Speaker 1: the value in that. And it's funny you mentioned, you know,
Speaker 1: people who take basically pick themselves too seriously at their profession.
Speaker 1: Like before I got into sports, in my twenties. You know,
Speaker 1: I had a business degree. I worked at a at
Speaker 1: an accounting firm for like seven eight years, so I
Speaker 1: was around those people all and they were just we
Speaker 1: were just here auditing companies, you know. Meanwhile, like stuff
Speaker 1: like Enron is happening, and I'm like, oh, I guess
Speaker 1: none of us really do our jobs. At the end
Speaker 1: of the we just show up to work and pretend
Speaker 1: we look at a couple of things, you know, check
Speaker 1: a couple of things. But then it's like a mittle
Speaker 1: nudge nudge, wink wink with the exacts at the top,
Speaker 1: and we just keep it moving and like that. That really,
Speaker 1: like that period of my life really just made me
Speaker 1: like devalue kind of how I looked at work because
Speaker 1: I feel like in my twenties, it was always like
Speaker 1: I attached my self worth to work and and it
Speaker 1: was just like not a healthy thing to do. Like
Speaker 1: every time you hung out with like friends and stuff,
Speaker 1: it's like what do you do? How much do you make?
Speaker 1: You're getting promoted and stuff, and it's like all that
Speaker 1: stuff is so stupid, and like it's like I take
Speaker 1: my work very seriously, but it's like I think it's
Speaker 1: really healthy to just have an understanding if you're not
Speaker 1: doing something that's actually quote unquote important, like don't take
Speaker 1: it that seriously. Yeah, the most cutthroat people I've ever
Speaker 1: been around are like interns at ABC News and like
Speaker 1: interns at Aramas. Like you know, it's like you have
Speaker 1: to make yourself indispensable, all right, right, and they start
Speaker 1: speaking in languages that's like have you joined a cult?
Speaker 1: Like is it like LinkedIn speech? Like I'm so confused,
Speaker 1: Like like the way people talk about work sometimes it's
Speaker 1: just like hilarious to me, And I think it just
Speaker 1: shows how successful people have just like fully swallowed the
Speaker 1: like hustle pill to be like that's all it is,
Speaker 1: that's my that's how I define my existence, and like
Speaker 1: that's the actual worst thing you could do for Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to. I used to hashtag rise and grind
Speaker 1: as as a joke on on I G like just
Speaker 1: to like kind of up. But then like people started
Speaker 1: celebrating it with me, like like people would be like,
Speaker 1: oh hell yeah, yeah, they're like we rise in grinding
Speaker 1: at the gym and all this stuff, and like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I used to do lift laugh love for
Speaker 1: a really long time too. I guess, but then people
Speaker 1: started loving it and I was like, oh no, no,
Speaker 1: the joke has been ruined now, Like this is not good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is not good. But like the grind culture is
Speaker 1: like hilarious to me because like there's working hard and
Speaker 1: just working smart. Like I'm not breaking any news here,
Speaker 1: and it's like people just want to work hard and
Speaker 1: they don't want to work smart. Yeah, Like it's it's
Speaker 1: really confusing to me. And it's like working hard becomes
Speaker 1: people's like entire personalities, and I just like these like, yeah,
Speaker 1: generational habits that you have to like shed because like
Speaker 1: like to your point of like our job didn't exist
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. Like half the time, I have like
Speaker 1: anxiety thinking about like what my grandparents, like my like
Speaker 1: World War two Japanese grandparents or like my black grandparents
Speaker 1: would be like, that's not a job. And in my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're right, because from all the stories I've
Speaker 1: heard from y'all, it's about running yourself ragged and that's
Speaker 1: what you called work. And in part of me is
Speaker 1: like am I So I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: times you were like am I still honoring that level
Speaker 1: of physical destruction in the act of working and yeah,
Speaker 1: it can be can be a bit of a head fuck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my parents. My parents still, like, you know, I think
Speaker 1: maybe until recently, didn't really still understand what I did
Speaker 1: because I came from a very traditional business job, which
Speaker 1: I understood a year working in a company that they know,
Speaker 1: so what I do when I switched to sports, especially
Speaker 1: when I started making like you know, decent money, is
Speaker 1: like I would make sure all the checks get sent
Speaker 1: to their place so that they they'd be like, you
Speaker 1: have mail, and I'm like open that for me, so
Speaker 1: then they would see else so they would see I
Speaker 1: was actually making No, but like really for like for
Speaker 1: like a five year stretch, they literally like they literally
Speaker 1: did not believe when I told them I was making
Speaker 1: money like covering some prints, Like it was just something
Speaker 1: that they could not fathom because like immigrant parents, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, they came from Hong Kong. Like they just
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. So like, no, it was a very
Speaker 1: difficult like like process to like convince them that I
Speaker 1: was actually working. Yeah, like it was. It took a
Speaker 1: while for me to go from like making YouTube videos
Speaker 1: to like doing that as a job for companies from
Speaker 1: like yeah, and now I make videos for like this
Speaker 1: magazine and it's like, but there was no money when
Speaker 1: you were doing it. I'm like, that's because I was
Speaker 1: doing dumb videos, Like this is a skill like that
Speaker 1: you can do and they're like, okay, all right, I
Speaker 1: believe it when I see the videos. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: a good thing. My my in laws are very impressed
Speaker 1: with my they're both Korean immigrants and they totally get
Speaker 1: the value of podcasts, and uh have believed in the
Speaker 1: vision from day one, just like so confused, but also
Speaker 1: like they were never like you have to go to
Speaker 1: law school. They were just like you should go to
Speaker 1: law school and I didn't. So here we are. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. And
Speaker 1: we're back. And finally, Alex, we do like task our
Speaker 1: guess what is something you think is overrated? People who
Speaker 1: always talk about quitting social media or reducing their screen time.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think I think there was a
Speaker 1: whole economy of people just like writing stories about you know,
Speaker 1: getting off the internet, quitting Twitter for like thirty days
Speaker 1: and all of this stuff. And you know, I live
Speaker 1: here in Toronto. We actually had like a across Canada.
Speaker 1: It was like a nationwide service outage last Friday, so
Speaker 1: like actually there was like no access to online for
Speaker 1: me for like half a day. You know, my friends
Speaker 1: and I. So there's two service providers here, I'll keep
Speaker 1: it quick. One of them was down, the other wasn't,
Speaker 1: so you know, we were just all all around the city.
Speaker 1: People were just sitting on the outside. Yeah yeah, so
Speaker 1: Bell and Rogers. So then Starbucks. Starbucks was like with
Speaker 1: the other network. So every there's like just two kids
Speaker 1: outside Starbucks stealing life. And it just made me realize
Speaker 1: that day, like I have a bike gap that I use,
Speaker 1: I couldn't use, so I had to like take take
Speaker 1: take the streetcar instead. I was pulling up Uber Eats
Speaker 1: on my way home from work and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess I can't order Uber eats because I know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, the reliance on this is
Speaker 1: just insane. Like I had meetings that were set up,
Speaker 1: you know, friends were trying to reach me. But it
Speaker 1: just made me realize it's actually the opposite, like we
Speaker 1: gotta appreciate how much access we have to be online
Speaker 1: world more versus hating on it. Because I think you guys,
Speaker 1: the topics that you guys talk about and obviously you
Speaker 1: guys are you know, familiar with the online world. It's
Speaker 1: like I used to be envious of people who are
Speaker 1: like I don't own a TV, or like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not on Twitter at all, I don't do any of
Speaker 1: that stuff. Now I'm like, this is just part of
Speaker 1: our lives and we got to embrace it. And if
Speaker 1: you don't like what you see on your Twitter timeline
Speaker 1: or your I G TikTok, whatever it is, there's tools.
Speaker 1: You can mute people, you can create lists, you can
Speaker 1: mute words. I just think when people talk about they
Speaker 1: want to quit social media, you're just not using social
Speaker 1: media is smart enough, because I've never had I've never
Speaker 1: had an issue like I'm very I'm always online just
Speaker 1: because of you know, the sports world, in the job,
Speaker 1: in the industry that I'm in. But I'm like, I've
Speaker 1: never had burnout. And like I've seen all the ship
Speaker 1: I've seen the world crumbling the last like five years,
Speaker 1: you know, checking in on the US politics and you know,
Speaker 1: all the stuff that's happening around the world. But not
Speaker 1: a single day have I ever felt like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I need to get off social media. So no more
Speaker 1: anti quitting the internet and social media. I think you're
Speaker 1: very overright. You're lucky if you said you looked in
Speaker 1: the in the hell I and you're like, no, but
Speaker 1: I did, oh man, because and I think probably the
Speaker 1: nature you know, like if because of like having to
Speaker 1: talk about news and like what's happening every day, Like
Speaker 1: I don't unfortunately don't have the luxury to curate what
Speaker 1: I look at because I need a holistic understanding of
Speaker 1: what's going on and I can't like sort of avoid
Speaker 1: certain things. But I but I, but I do get
Speaker 1: your point, like there is there's the good and bad,
Speaker 1: and those tools are there. Unfortunately, the way I engage
Speaker 1: with social media a lot of the time is to
Speaker 1: be like you know, you just you have to open
Speaker 1: that door where all the noises coming out from and
Speaker 1: you're like, I gotta see what's happening in there from
Speaker 1: my job, and you're like you're like, okayun fun funk okay.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair, that's fair. And I think it's
Speaker 1: just like personal approaches, yeah, because like I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: on Twitter a lot, and like I just don't I
Speaker 1: don't engage with people like I'm not there to have
Speaker 1: conversations like like I have a decent size following, like
Speaker 1: people want to talk about sports, Like I'm just there
Speaker 1: to get some jokes off, right. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: like I think it's just but then I pull up
Speaker 1: and I'll pull up Twitter after like six hours and
Speaker 1: I see like two sports writers just engaged in like
Speaker 1: a seventy tweet thread over like some hypothetical scenario, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know you two have well paid jobs,
Speaker 1: Like there's no way you got to spend your time
Speaker 1: with this. So it's like, I don't think we need
Speaker 1: to be extreme about being online all the time or
Speaker 1: quitting social media entirely. I do feel like there's a
Speaker 1: middle ground that people can strike. I just I just
Speaker 1: get really annoyed when people are like so proud of
Speaker 1: themselves for like being on Twitter for thirty days. I'm
Speaker 1: like that guy who like jumped off jumped offline for
Speaker 1: like a year after Trump got nominated, it was just
Speaker 1: like I actually just like moved to the woods and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like whoa exactly in a lab? Yeah? Or the
Speaker 1: personal essay economy of people who like write about what
Speaker 1: their life was like, and it's like, oh, so you
Speaker 1: actually like read a book finally, Like it's like congratulations,
Speaker 1: like we could do both, right, Yeah, yeah, man, I
Speaker 1: will say that like the idea. I didn't know that
Speaker 1: story about like half Toronto losing internet access, I like,
Speaker 1: I just got real jealous of that, Like that sounds
Speaker 1: like exciting and like a fun event if like all
Speaker 1: of a sudden have the inner Like granted, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to do my job and you know, taking
Speaker 1: care of you know, our family would be a lot harder,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, it sounds cool. No. I was
Speaker 1: trying to think of, like what was the most minor
Speaker 1: inconvenience for a person in this city, And I think
Speaker 1: I landed at like somebody probably like negotiating to sell
Speaker 1: a pair of sneakers on like Facebook for like months,
Speaker 1: and they finally set up a meet up on like
Speaker 1: the Friday morning, and then it just didn't happen. They
Speaker 1: could not contact each other and somebody just didn't have
Speaker 1: each other's info, and now that pair of sneakers has gone.
Speaker 1: I was just trying to think of what was the
Speaker 1: dumbest inconvenience people would have ran into. Right, alright, let's
Speaker 1: let's hit some January six hearing information. I mean it's
Speaker 1: more of the same, more of Trump being basically like
Speaker 1: just a drunk person, a horse in the hospital, a
Speaker 1: drunk person in the White House, and everybody just being like,
Speaker 1: oh no, he's with his bad friends. We've got to
Speaker 1: stop this. Yeah, phil Andy Dick got back in here.
Speaker 1: You know, how boud have been influence real Andy Dick? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, they on Tuesday, the hearing was really focusing
Speaker 1: on like what coordination or what the communication or connections
Speaker 1: were between like the violent you know, extremists we saw,
Speaker 1: uh and the like how they may have been in
Speaker 1: contact with the White House, and just sort of the
Speaker 1: general path to like this like this quote unquote rally.
Speaker 1: So we heard from people like the former spokesperson of
Speaker 1: the Oath keepers, like a regular MAGA guy who did
Speaker 1: some crimes because he was just listening to what Trump said.
Speaker 1: Former Twitter employee who was like, I was telling them
Speaker 1: for weeks that this seemed so bad what I was
Speaker 1: seeing on Twitter from a content standpoint, and it just
Speaker 1: seemed like we weren't going to do anything about it,
Speaker 1: and you know, just sort of the broad strokes of
Speaker 1: it were just to sort of paint this image from
Speaker 1: the moment Trump realized that he had exhausted all of
Speaker 1: his options in terms of trying to like rat fuck
Speaker 1: an election went out and realizing, oh, I think I
Speaker 1: have to shift to like mob violence. So they point
Speaker 1: to this one day on December when again this was
Speaker 1: when it was clear there's real note like the legal
Speaker 1: paths have dried up, and he had a cool party
Speaker 1: with the four horsemen of horse shit, had Sydney what's
Speaker 1: cracking Powell, Mike Flynn, disgraced General who was you know,
Speaker 1: obviously lied to the FBI and was later pardoned, uh
Speaker 1: the former CEO of Overstock dot Com, and Rudy Giuliani,
Speaker 1: and they all basically took turns getting in Trump's here
Speaker 1: about how they could prove that there was this selection fraud,
Speaker 1: and it was like they were there were actors outside
Speaker 1: of the US, and there there maybe was corruption with
Speaker 1: Democrats and this, that and the other, and nothing was
Speaker 1: really sticking. And during this meeting, a bunch of like
Speaker 1: the White House lawyers heard about it crashed this party
Speaker 1: and it just turned into like an all out screaming
Speaker 1: match because they're like, what are y'all doing here? What
Speaker 1: are you telling him. One guy was like telling one
Speaker 1: of the lawyers he's like he's like, you know, he's
Speaker 1: just he's like, you've done nothing, blah blah blah, like
Speaker 1: you've been you've you've failed the president. And the lawyers like,
Speaker 1: who do you think I am? He's like, you're Pat Sippolonian.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not you fucking idiot, like I'm this
Speaker 1: other guy shut the funk up. And it got to
Speaker 1: the point where like even Mike Flynn like stood up,
Speaker 1: gotten a guy's face, and then this lawyer was like, yo,
Speaker 1: you better sit down. There's gonna be a problem. And
Speaker 1: then Mike Flynn sat down. So all of this and
Speaker 1: the conversation, when you like listen to the like account
Speaker 1: of it, it's just very very much like the guys
Speaker 1: the White House lawyers are just like I don't know, man.
Speaker 1: They were talking about like Chavez and like Venezuelan voting
Speaker 1: machines and ship and we just kept being like what
Speaker 1: evidence do you have? What evidence? And they just kept
Speaker 1: being like you're not fighting hard enough for the president.
Speaker 1: They were like evidence, I don't hear evidence. You're you're
Speaker 1: a coward who standing Yeah, but like president, you need
Speaker 1: fighters you need fighters, Mr President, as Mike Flynn kept
Speaker 1: telling him, because he's saying, you need more flunkey's who
Speaker 1: are just going to, you know, make up magical laws.
Speaker 1: There is an interesting moment where like, as this argument
Speaker 1: was going back and forth the Oval office, that's just
Speaker 1: an interesting moment. Quote. At some point the meeting migrated
Speaker 1: to the yellow Oval Room in the White House residence,
Speaker 1: where Trump served the group Swedish Meatballs, who is the
Speaker 1: former CEO of overstock dot Com was quote NonStop housing meatballs.
Speaker 1: He ate so many meatball end quote, one person familiar
Speaker 1: with the gathering told the Washington Post. There the fighting continued.
Speaker 1: We're fucked side. This guy was NonStop. What is I
Speaker 1: think you should leave sketch. I know he's like, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna tell anybody how I was housing the Swedish meatballs?
Speaker 1: Are you? Then? M dash he ate so made me
Speaker 1: such a great This is my favorite detail revelation thus
Speaker 1: far of the January six And you know that quote
Speaker 1: came from some guy who was in a frat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was NonStop housing meatballs. Like I can't imagine that
Speaker 1: quote from coming from some like lawyer person. Anyway, So anyway,
Speaker 1: this basically after all that happened, it was clear to Trump, Okay,
Speaker 1: the lawyers don't want to help these people who are
Speaker 1: telling me there's like all these cool conspiracy theories. They
Speaker 1: don't seem be panning out. And it turns like, maybe
Speaker 1: we just need to get more people on the two
Speaker 1: d C on the six too, maybe physically in you know, intervene.
Speaker 1: And this is when he had the tweet talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, the Peter Navarro has this like report on
Speaker 1: like the fraud and how it's like mathematically impossible for
Speaker 1: me to have lost. And then he says, but don't worry,
Speaker 1: there's gonna quote big protest in d C on January six.
Speaker 1: Be there will be wild. He tweeted that like in
Speaker 1: a few hours after all this ship went down in
Speaker 1: the Oval office. So they're showing this timeline of like
Speaker 1: they got together, they had this screaming match on how
Speaker 1: it could be solved. It housed a bunch of meatballs
Speaker 1: and was like, you know what I needed. I need
Speaker 1: to signal to the goons that January six is the day.
Speaker 1: You know, he says, stand back and stand by. Well,
Speaker 1: now we have you have orders to be there January six.
Speaker 1: So As they go on with this, they also bring
Speaker 1: up the fact that the one of the organizers of
Speaker 1: the rally was applying for permits with like the Park
Speaker 1: Services for like a quote static event like this was
Speaker 1: just going to be a rally in one place. They're
Speaker 1: just gonna be speaking and that was it. It's over.
Speaker 1: No other like movements or anything like that would would
Speaker 1: happen at this rally. But behind the scenes, clearly everybody
Speaker 1: in the administration knew that the plan was go there.
Speaker 1: And then you know, at some point Trump was just
Speaker 1: gonna say, hey, we should just we should we should
Speaker 1: march on the Capitol, y'all. And this was an interesting
Speaker 1: tweet that the organizer of the rally texted to the
Speaker 1: My pillow guy, Mike Lindell. She texted, quote, this day
Speaker 1: is only between us. It can it can also not
Speaker 1: get out about the march because I will be in
Speaker 1: trouble with the National Park Service and all the agencies.
Speaker 1: But potus is going to just call for it, quote unexpectedly.
Speaker 1: And they point to the fact that like as documentaries
Speaker 1: and things showed a lot like the Proud Boys of Oathkeepers,
Speaker 1: they had moved towards the Capitol like even before Trump spoke,
Speaker 1: like they knew where they had to be once the
Speaker 1: like of march happened, so they would be at the
Speaker 1: very front of like this confrontation with the Capitol police
Speaker 1: and these other people who were at this rally. So,
Speaker 1: you know, the way the January six Committee is sort
Speaker 1: of laying it out is saying, you know, they're willfully
Speaker 1: mischaracterizing what this event is going to be to a
Speaker 1: maybe have less protection at the Capitol because for all
Speaker 1: intents and purposes, the main thing was just going to
Speaker 1: happen at the ellipse and that was it, and that
Speaker 1: would allow for like lighter security on the Capitol. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: these other like extremist groups could coordinate like where they
Speaker 1: wanted to be and how they were going to enter
Speaker 1: the Capitol. And as we've learned in previous ones, he
Speaker 1: wanted to be leading the charge like straight up like
Speaker 1: Washington crossing the Delaware style, just like be you know,
Speaker 1: with his with his horses, just like you know, going
Speaker 1: going down there. So yeah, it's it's well, I mean,
Speaker 1: like you know, and it's it's kind of hard to
Speaker 1: square like who knew what when because most people observing
Speaker 1: were like this is gonna be bad on January six,
Speaker 1: and there was plenty of analysis that seemingly didn't lead
Speaker 1: to like, you know, physical tangible results in terms of
Speaker 1: like physical security at the Capitol. But you know, all
Speaker 1: in all, it just it continues to paint like just
Speaker 1: how how much you know coordination was going on and
Speaker 1: how premeditated many of the things are, which I think
Speaker 1: anybody who saw what happened that day was like this
Speaker 1: ship just didn't happen to any thing. But as a
Speaker 1: fun aside, I just want to point out John Bolton,
Speaker 1: Mr War the war mongering muppet himself. He was on
Speaker 1: CNN arguing with Jacob with Jake Tapper, we can call
Speaker 1: him Jacob Happy Jacob Jacob Tapper just about saying, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a pretty wild like basically going on
Speaker 1: about was it a coup? Was it not a coup?
Speaker 1: How do you even define what a coup is? And
Speaker 1: then John Bolton sort of like, um, actually he's his
Speaker 1: way into being like, yeah, I did some coups, um,
Speaker 1: And so let me just pread this for you, Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Looking at for Donald Trump, it's a once in a
Speaker 1: lifetime occurrence. I don't know that I agree with you
Speaker 1: to be to be uh fair, with all due respect,
Speaker 1: one doesn't have to be brilliant to attempt a coup.
Speaker 1: I disagree with that as somebody who has helped planned
Speaker 1: coup data not here, but you know other places. It
Speaker 1: takes a lot of work. And that's not what he did.
Speaker 1: It was just stumbling around from one idea to another.
Speaker 1: Ultimately he did unleash the rioters at the capitol as
Speaker 1: to that, there's no doubt, but not to overthrow the
Speaker 1: constitution to buy more time, to throw the matter back
Speaker 1: to the stage to try and redo the issue. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's someone who's you know, I've done a couple of coda.
Speaker 1: I like how he like speaks of it. Like the
Speaker 1: way he referred to cou's is like the way that
Speaker 1: like a foodie will refer to something like very in
Speaker 1: a different way that you're like, oh damn, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh they know how to pronounce s crewde top. Yeah,
Speaker 1: take your pick crewdite as I call it, take your
Speaker 1: pick of. There's a few people are like, okay, so
Speaker 1: he said he was planned a coup. Uh, let's check
Speaker 1: out one of the ones like which one could have
Speaker 1: possibly been. And it's like, well, it's too early for
Speaker 1: like Iran in the fifties, and then like it's probably
Speaker 1: this sweet spot here in the eighties is where he
Speaker 1: may have a shout into saying like yeah, I was
Speaker 1: in the room talking to people about how to do that,
Speaker 1: not there or right there, but right around here this yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, this is just I just like that. Even
Speaker 1: in the commentary of it, there's just like more like
Speaker 1: gross American issues, like as somebody who's planning to overthrow
Speaker 1: governments before in the sake of the military industrial complex.
Speaker 1: This wasn't a coup and that's a disrespect to the
Speaker 1: real earth fuckers like me. It's like he's the way
Speaker 1: he took offense to it, right, yeah, I will I
Speaker 1: would say there's a point he a point he is
Speaker 1: making there is like, well, no, like that when the
Speaker 1: CIA wants to overthrow a government, they just like start
Speaker 1: killing people, and like it's very much more precision operation.
Speaker 1: This guy's a dipshit without any sort of practical knowledge
Speaker 1: of like how to do this sort of thing. That's
Speaker 1: definitely true, but it doesn't change the fact that he
Speaker 1: was like trying like he to just disregard the fact
Speaker 1: that he wanted them to hang like pants. It's pretty
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not I'm not sure what he like,
Speaker 1: what basis he's using to be like he just wanted
Speaker 1: to put it back to the States. It's like he
Speaker 1: said that Mike Pens maybe should be hung like as
Speaker 1: people were trying, right, Yeah, well, I mean everyone's doing
Speaker 1: their best to obscure what happened, especially when you're someone
Speaker 1: who worked in that administration, Like yeah, alright, let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break, we'll come back. We'll speak about the
Speaker 1: death of Celter. Be right back and we're back. And
Speaker 1: the hard Seltzer boom officially flat what our writer JM
Speaker 1: actually he said officially dead. I added the flat and
Speaker 1: I want credit for it. I nailed it. You all
Speaker 1: saw it. I'm gonna mail myself that headline so you
Speaker 1: can steal it. Anyways, I did. I did not realize this.
Speaker 1: I've I've been observing the hard Seltzer boom from Afar,
Speaker 1: but it really you know, nine twenty nineteen twenty one,
Speaker 1: we hard Seltzer sales were going up, up, up, twenty
Speaker 1: two comes around. People are back out there. This felt
Speaker 1: like maybe the summer that there were the most people
Speaker 1: out and you know, just behaving like they normally would.
Speaker 1: You might have expected it to keep going up, and
Speaker 1: instead it fell. Boston Beer had to throw out millions
Speaker 1: of cases of truly hard seltzer in the fall. I mean,
Speaker 1: to be honest, that should it tastes bad? Though, so
Speaker 1: does it all taste bad? I so I I don't
Speaker 1: drink I haven't drank since, and I'm not like interested
Speaker 1: in it, but I am curious about like what this boom,
Speaker 1: Like what has caused this boom and what like what
Speaker 1: because it's like malt, it's not It's not like a
Speaker 1: vodka soda, which is what what I think people are
Speaker 1: looking for from it. It's instead like a malt beverage.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because that's that's how they get around, like
Speaker 1: the liquor loss, right right. But I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I'll drink it on occasion, but I never got
Speaker 1: to the point where I'm like, yo, let's get fucking
Speaker 1: clawberd firm. Like I was not into the Seltzer like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like Alex, what was the vibe was it?
Speaker 1: What were the seltzer vibes up north? You know what?
Speaker 1: I'm like the worst person to talk to about this
Speaker 1: because I just go out hang out. I'll just drink
Speaker 1: whatever's in people's fridges or what there. You go to me,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm a I'm a follower, not a leader
Speaker 1: in that situation. Have you ever had the urge? Have
Speaker 1: you ever like when you're like, oh, you know what,
Speaker 1: let me that's in the fridge, let me try this.
Speaker 1: Do you ever go that's a little bit of all right,
Speaker 1: or you're like, nah, this ship is not no you
Speaker 1: know what I drink I when I opened a fridge.
Speaker 1: It's the can design that gets to me. So so
Speaker 1: for all the designers out there, you know, I pick
Speaker 1: based on the design. Yeah yeah, not the actual alcohol. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this one's called Horseshit flavor. But I just love the design.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's like a Goya painting or something.
Speaker 1: I think, like, honestly, it started off as like it
Speaker 1: was super easy to drink. You know, it's just like
Speaker 1: you you pick it up, it's got light flavor. People
Speaker 1: were like, it's healthy because it's clear. Was like, I
Speaker 1: think sort of like the weird subconscious trade you did
Speaker 1: to yourself when you drank them. And then after a while,
Speaker 1: like I felt like there were like three ones that
Speaker 1: were like cool flavors to drink, and then everybody fucking
Speaker 1: showed up, like even Topo Chicos. Like literally hold my
Speaker 1: beer as I enter the fucking Seltzer Wars and everybody
Speaker 1: had an offering, and I think it just got I
Speaker 1: just got flooded, and like because everything kind of tastes
Speaker 1: the same, It's like, well, I don't know, man, then
Speaker 1: it's all kind of the same to me. That was
Speaker 1: my experience with it Chico such a great example of
Speaker 1: like the growth over every anything kind of like just
Speaker 1: the problem with capitalism is like they have a good
Speaker 1: product and they're like, Okay, well we need to show growth.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna enter the flavored beverages market, We're gonna
Speaker 1: enter the hard celter, just like trying to like grow
Speaker 1: in every direction. We're gonna do a line of toys
Speaker 1: for kids. It's like, what, what the funk are you
Speaker 1: talking about? The Super Chicos super Kids. But like, I
Speaker 1: mean that all happened because Coca Cola bought them like
Speaker 1: five and that that completely just changed the trajectory where
Speaker 1: they went from like this local thing that like I
Speaker 1: felt like annoying people in like Highland Park were like, dude,
Speaker 1: topo to now being the you know, the in seltzer
Speaker 1: or carbonated water. Yeah, I don't know. It honestly just
Speaker 1: feels like the it just lost its luster after a
Speaker 1: while and people like the tried and true ways of
Speaker 1: being inebriated. And for the Atlantic was like, hey, maybe
Speaker 1: this has just always been bad and no one noticed
Speaker 1: because we were all going slightly crazy during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: And I think there's something. I think there's something there.
Speaker 1: I think there's something from the pandemic we're gonna look
Speaker 1: back on and be like, huh, yeah, that was bad.
Speaker 1: That wasn't a good thing that we were all going
Speaker 1: through there. I think all it was was it offered
Speaker 1: a new thing to put in a cooler at a party,
Speaker 1: and then they tried to do that ship at restaurants
Speaker 1: and stuff. I would see it on menus and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the funk for this? Like why would you go
Speaker 1: out to drink something like if you're at a bar
Speaker 1: to then drink a canned thing that tastes like nonsense
Speaker 1: but that is very That is strange to have a
Speaker 1: product that is like popular and then when people try
Speaker 1: to give it to you in some context here is
Speaker 1: like what you no fucking way man, like that's I
Speaker 1: guess it would be like a pizzeria like having to
Speaker 1: journo or something like on the this like what no
Speaker 1: one's no one wants that no one wants to go
Speaker 1: out for and then pay for a low energy drink
Speaker 1: like that doesn't like beer on tap, sure, like be
Speaker 1: whatever beer like we're I think people are societally used
Speaker 1: to doing that. But I think because seltzer became like
Speaker 1: the fuel of like your mini like COVID turn up parties,
Speaker 1: maybe it's just the thing you want to move asked
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'd like a drink where a human
Speaker 1: being put the ingredients together in front of me. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Anyways, the death throws will be embarrassing. They've
Speaker 1: just released something called Awesome Sauce Bun Length and it
Speaker 1: is a seltzer made using hot dog water. So it'll
Speaker 1: be bad. They'll they'll be trying all sorts of ship
Speaker 1: and it'll go. It'll go badly. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I went I went to Trader Joe's and I bought
Speaker 1: a Paca Dill pickle seltzer because it was so stupid looking.
Speaker 1: And then I asked them because now like now that
Speaker 1: I know, like they kind of got to talk at
Speaker 1: the register, I'm like, I'm like, yo, what's good with this?
Speaker 1: And like, honestly, we just saw we were just talking
Speaker 1: about how we needed to drink that later, like when
Speaker 1: our shift is over, and the other person came from
Speaker 1: the other register like Seltzer, like, Yo, have you had
Speaker 1: it before? I'm like, no, yeah, we're trying to. We're
Speaker 1: trying to try it. Maybe it could be bad. It
Speaker 1: honestly tastes like like a cucumber. It's really uneventful, and
Speaker 1: I feel stupid that again, I felt for the marketing well,
Speaker 1: Alex has been truly a pleasure having you on TDZ.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all my good stuff? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm on Twitter at Stephen underscore Lebron Stephen Lebron
Speaker 1: on Instagram. If you want to make me explain that name,
Speaker 1: I could. I can do it in thirty seconds. I
Speaker 1: signed up for social media when I was still working
Speaker 1: at my accounting job, and you know, my my goal
Speaker 1: on social media the first was just to tweet during
Speaker 1: like you know, board meetings and stuff and just like
Speaker 1: embarrassing my company, and I obviously did not want HR
Speaker 1: to find that. And on the on the day that
Speaker 1: I was signing up for social media, there was a
Speaker 1: very clickbait headline on USA Today Lebron was doing his
Speaker 1: Lebron James was doing his first stint with the Cavaliers
Speaker 1: at the time. It said Cleveland's Lebron suspended fifty games
Speaker 1: for steroids And when you click on it, it is
Speaker 1: a minor league Cleveland Indians picture named Stephen Lebron and
Speaker 1: like this is perfect. Over the years, people think it's
Speaker 1: some kind of you know, amalgamation of like Curry and
Speaker 1: and Lebron James or something like that, and I always
Speaker 1: try to tell them there's absolutely no meaning. I always
Speaker 1: still get a kick out of pr people emailing me
Speaker 1: calling me Steve. I really do not blame them. Yeah, hey, Steve,
Speaker 1: I've got I've gone to events where I'm on the
Speaker 1: list of Stephen Lebron. I'm just like, yeah, Steve here,
Speaker 1: But like it's my own fault. I never I never
Speaker 1: changed that up. But you know it's I feel like
Speaker 1: it's good to not have your your real name online,
Speaker 1: as you know, in as many places as possible so
Speaker 1: there we go and make sure you know, check out
Speaker 1: like you guys mentioned up top, running the Break with
Speaker 1: c J and and myself. Um, you know it's a
Speaker 1: it's an off the court NBA podcast. We talk a
Speaker 1: lot about stuff, um that's taking place away from the
Speaker 1: from the basketball floor. And if you don't like basketball,
Speaker 1: you know, just subscribe to it and just I don't know,
Speaker 1: press play whatever is good for the album. And is
Speaker 1: there a tweet or some of the work of social
Speaker 1: media you've been enjoying. Yeah, so one is actually there
Speaker 1: was a video that was put out of a team
Speaker 1: Canada basketball team. It was an under twenty three team,
Speaker 1: so they're all like born I guess in the late
Speaker 1: nineties early two thousands, and it's a video where they
Speaker 1: showed them things from the early two thousands, iPod, MSN Messenger,
Speaker 1: lime wire, a photo of Britney Spears and me being
Speaker 1: thirty seven. It made me feel really old because they
Speaker 1: had no idea when when they put up the graphic
Speaker 1: of the MSN Messenger what it was. Someone was like,
Speaker 1: is this napster or like is this something that you
Speaker 1: guys used? And then and then there was another basketball
Speaker 1: player when she was showing the photo of Britney Spears.
Speaker 1: She was so confident, She's like, yeah, I know that's Shakira.
Speaker 1: So it's it's just it's amazing to me to see
Speaker 1: like things that I followed in my childhood and teenage
Speaker 1: years become things that the next generation is completely not
Speaker 1: familiar with. So I guess I didn't really enjoy that video,
Speaker 1: but that's the one that I picked. It's good for
Speaker 1: it's good for the millennial outrage. Within miles Where can
Speaker 1: people find you? What is the tweet you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray.
Speaker 1: You know about Matt Boosts, you know about Fiance. Also
Speaker 1: check out Lords of Soccer, the FIFA podcasts that I
Speaker 1: helped produce. It moves along and we actually had to
Speaker 1: do a little bit of update because two people from
Speaker 1: you know, involved with FIFA corruption got you know, actually
Speaker 1: their case is dismissed by the Swiss courts. Oh looking
Speaker 1: for them? Uh so, but yeah, the podcast is great.
Speaker 1: Please check it out for all fans of true crime
Speaker 1: and foote. Uh some tweets that I like, Let's see
Speaker 1: uh first one again. I just I love the construction
Speaker 1: of like if I text you blank and moji, it
Speaker 1: means this. This one is from at Pope awesome, at
Speaker 1: pop Pope asom x I I I says. If I
Speaker 1: text you and it's the flag of Norway. If I
Speaker 1: text you the flag, it means nor fucking Way. No
Speaker 1: more night stupid white Uh. And then another one at
Speaker 1: pleasant p l e A four ant tweeted, you should
Speaker 1: be able to see people's health bars on zoom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just as a concept. So I'm like, yo, let me
Speaker 1: see your health box real quick. How much how much
Speaker 1: health energy you working with? You needed? How about your
Speaker 1: armor level? At I need to catch one of those
Speaker 1: bouncing hearts or whatever the fuck they had in Zelda
Speaker 1: need to store they need a restoration to my health
Speaker 1: bars all right? Uh. You can find me on Twitter
Speaker 1: at Jack Underscore O'Brien. Some tweets have been enjoying Bubba
Speaker 1: at ratio. These nuts tweeted you just you just disrespected
Speaker 1: a former Subway sandwich artist. And then the Volatile The
Speaker 1: Volatile Mermaid Oh no, she twinned tweeted practice self care,
Speaker 1: take a walk, ride a bike, paint a picture using
Speaker 1: the blood of your enemies, be friend of well pack
Speaker 1: to do your evil bid and cast a curse by
Speaker 1: the ancient willow and the enchanted forest meditate hell, which
Speaker 1: I just thought it was a good take on a
Speaker 1: very common thought. I knew where it was headed genre
Speaker 1: of tweet. Okay, I think there's some actually some good
Speaker 1: advice buried in there as opposed to the normal self
Speaker 1: care hippie head up. You're on a s woo woo bullshit.
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Speaker 1: to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy.
Speaker 1: Miles was song do we think people might enjoy? Okay,
Speaker 1: So TikTok continues to just open my hot It's just
Speaker 1: so funny how in TikTok there's so many tracks that
Speaker 1: are just sped up or slowed down versions of like
Speaker 1: past songs that were popular like ten years ago, and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh this ship h it's so different to
Speaker 1: slow and reverb virtue. Uh. And I saw this one
Speaker 1: clip of like it was just like shots of like
Speaker 1: Denny vilnav like cinematography, but it was set to that
Speaker 1: that m A three song solitude, but it's the song
Speaker 1: is slowed and reverb version. So you gotta check out
Speaker 1: m A three solitude slowed reverb and you can only
Speaker 1: get this on SoundCloud. But this song is like so
Speaker 1: much more dramatic in this way, and I was like,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, So yeah, check this one out. M A
Speaker 1: three solitude sload and reverb for that. TikTok. Right, All right,
Speaker 1: well we will flick off to that in the footnotes.
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Speaker 1: us this morning. We are back this afternoon to tell
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