Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to forty seven,
Speaker 1: episode four of Jo Daily's stay production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. That Thursday, July, which of course
Speaker 1: means it is Yeah. Also Buffalo Soldiers Day. Okay, if
Speaker 1: you're not familiar with the black like black regiments in
Speaker 1: the Civil War, the Buffalo Soldiers, this is a day
Speaker 1: to celebrate the the irony of having them fight for
Speaker 1: their own liberation in the Civil War. But yes, heroes,
Speaker 1: no less. Also National water Park Day, National Chili Dog Day.
Speaker 1: I don't know if those two go together, because I
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, I mean those two go together, and
Speaker 1: so like could go together on a good day, on
Speaker 1: a bad day not so yeah, that was that like
Speaker 1: potential disaster. But and also on National Milk Chocolate Day.
Speaker 1: This is pretty pretty solid milk chocolate, not chocolate milk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm getting no thosen't key holidays. I love a water park.
Speaker 1: I just date a chili dog this past weekend at
Speaker 1: Griffith Park at the snack Park Griffith Park adventurous and
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't get sick from it, So I
Speaker 1: count that as a win I had I'm not joking
Speaker 1: for hot dogs last night at the Dodgers. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you went to the Dodgers game. Did they win? By
Speaker 1: the way, because now that I wear a Dodgers hat,
Speaker 1: people will like wow, just look at me and be
Speaker 1: like dah the fucking Dodgers. Right yeah, yeah, man about
Speaker 1: those about that? You know, it's we we lost. That
Speaker 1: was it was. It came close, but then fucking I
Speaker 1: think it was like want soda or something like this
Speaker 1: took us, took us home. But anyway, I had a
Speaker 1: ton of g lizzies. So called me glizz Elda because
Speaker 1: it's just NonStop glizzies over here. Were not even a day. Ok.
Speaker 1: That was an a K A up Harrisif al right, Well,
Speaker 1: my name is Jack O'Brien, a K Mike Breen, Mike Breen,
Speaker 1: Mike Breen, Mike Breen Curry hits the three and you
Speaker 1: yell bang cursie of Schwitz at Schwitz eight on Twitter,
Speaker 1: and I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
Speaker 1: co host, Mr Miles grad And I said, did you
Speaker 1: go see anger management? He said, I did, but then
Speaker 1: I walked out and as I recall, I equipped you're
Speaker 1: a real tough guy. Then I put him in a
Speaker 1: rear naked joke and Christie, I'm a Gucci mane at
Speaker 1: Walpole House, just very accurately describing the tale of mile
Speaker 1: high school classmate guy because they walked out of a
Speaker 1: movie you hadn't seen. I don't know like and I
Speaker 1: still can't speak to what in my weird We're all
Speaker 1: going through some ship and adolescence. It just happened, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I'm not gonna blame it all
Speaker 1: on nine eleven, but it certainly didn't help. Thank you well.
Speaker 1: We are thrilled to be joined once again by a
Speaker 1: very funny comedian, actor, presenter and host of the podcast
Speaker 1: Probably Science. You know him from such things as TV.
Speaker 1: It's Matt Kersion. Hello, Hello, Matt, how are you doing. Hey?
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm very good. I'm happy to be on
Speaker 1: back on the show. How are you guys good? It's
Speaker 1: I had no idea what a National Water Park Day.
Speaker 1: I nearly went to a water park last week and
Speaker 1: then decided against this, and now I feel like I've
Speaker 1: let the side down. What happened, Well, I was in
Speaker 1: Vegas and I was looking for things to do. During
Speaker 1: the day and I couldn't. I couldn't muster enough support
Speaker 1: from the other comics. And going going to water park
Speaker 1: by yourself is suspicious at best. Yeah, or just always
Speaker 1: be like, just like call out for a child, kid,
Speaker 1: I wonder if he's halfway down this right? Yeah? Have
Speaker 1: you seen have you seen a kid? Just go down here?
Speaker 1: I'll just look myself, man. Yeah, I'm just gonna write
Speaker 1: a single writer, single writer. Yeah. Did you find your
Speaker 1: go to a water park with goggles on? That's a
Speaker 1: crazy yeah, goggles on a snorkel, snorkel, Yeah, if don't
Speaker 1: wear a scuba mask. We did doubly screw up though,
Speaker 1: on that same note, because so we we didn't go
Speaker 1: to the water park. What we ended up going to
Speaker 1: was an American Ninja Warrior contest. It was at the
Speaker 1: That's what I thought it was at the Orleans Arena,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't televised, So I figured, like, some of
Speaker 1: them will be great and that will be amazing, and
Speaker 1: something would be less great and it will be doubly amazing.
Speaker 1: And then we get it there and all those Ninja
Speaker 1: warriors look young, they're all pretty small. We got into
Speaker 1: the box office and like what's the deal And he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're all kids. Yeah, and we go it's ticketed, and
Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, thirty dollars and uh, and we were like,
Speaker 1: I think if you pay thirty bucks to watch children exercise,
Speaker 1: you end up on a list. Yeah, for sure, and
Speaker 1: deservedly so probably. Yeah, me and the other comics we
Speaker 1: sort of well, like, I think we should leave you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we should definitely leave right now. Not even just being
Speaker 1: in this building is a step too far. And yet
Speaker 1: I think that would be kind of fun to watch
Speaker 1: children just like dominate and like do things that I
Speaker 1: could never dream of being able to do if it
Speaker 1: was free entry. If it was free entry, I think
Speaker 1: we would have gone. If it was like five bucks
Speaker 1: as well, we would have maybe gone in, got some
Speaker 1: drinks and started like yelling at kids. But I think
Speaker 1: thirty dollars is a suspiciously high amount to pay, right,
Speaker 1: especially if you don't exasizing children that we are not
Speaker 1: in any way related to write for, having no relation
Speaker 1: to any of the contestants. Spending thirty dollars signals to
Speaker 1: the world that you think it's worth the money, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's where you have to defend yourself. You're like,
Speaker 1: but thirty dollars, You're like, you know some of these
Speaker 1: kids I've been following for a while, and I'm really
Speaker 1: excited about some of these guys. Yeah. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: it would be like really impressive kids and then like
Speaker 1: wildly dysfunctional families they're supporting them. Oh, they were like
Speaker 1: they were adults going in with teath with like wearing
Speaker 1: things like sweaters that said like ninja mom and stuff.
Speaker 1: They are they are competitive parents. I didn't even know
Speaker 1: it was a thing, but it's enough of a thing
Speaker 1: that there are competitive parents about it either. Did I
Speaker 1: didn't realize about the ninja warrior industrial complex that we're
Speaker 1: even like getting them young, like being like, hey man,
Speaker 1: you make sure your kids are like competing young or
Speaker 1: else they're not going to have a shot ninja word stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't develop the muscles, right if you don't get
Speaker 1: them ninja ing by the like you hear that in
Speaker 1: other sports, right, like football or like soccer, right where
Speaker 1: they say like, look, if you're not like playing in
Speaker 1: a some kind of academy set up by the time
Speaker 1: you're twelve, like you don't even bother like think you're
Speaker 1: playing professionally. When I guess I wonder if like there's
Speaker 1: some con artists Ninja Warrior guys like look, man, your
Speaker 1: kid looks look like they love the Jungle gym. Man.
Speaker 1: But if they're trying to get serious about Ninja Warrior,
Speaker 1: like they need to be in the gym yesterday and
Speaker 1: no four Square, no anything except they need to be
Speaker 1: a one sport athlete. American Ninja war No four Square,
Speaker 1: no British Ninja Warrior, no nothing else. Yeah, they better
Speaker 1: not be, you know, meddling with that trash original I P.
Speaker 1: Saske which came from Japan, which had inspired the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It's all about American Ninja war don't do more the
Speaker 1: original stuff. Wait, ninja didn't come from America. Oh I look,
Speaker 1: the jury still out and I'm half Japanese and I'm
Speaker 1: still trying to figure it out. Yeah, this is this
Speaker 1: is something Miles and I always disagree on. He says
Speaker 1: they didn't, and I'm like, come on, man, I mean
Speaker 1: I got about thirty movies starring Chuck Norris to show
Speaker 1: you why just Donna Tello have an American accent. All right, Matt,
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a
Speaker 1: couple of things we are talking about today. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk about the ongoing PSI up being perpetrated by
Speaker 1: the mainstream media trying to get us all to go
Speaker 1: back to our shitty jobs, go back to the office.
Speaker 1: We will talk about impostor syndrome and whether that's actually
Speaker 1: what's happening there, all of that plenty more. But first, Matt,
Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guest, what is something
Speaker 1: from your search history? So I've already given the game
Speaker 1: away a little bit because to a couple of things
Speaker 1: in my search history a water Part Vegas and American
Speaker 1: Ninja Warrior Vegas. I can tell the other thing we
Speaker 1: landed on, which was Monster Jam Vegas, because that was
Speaker 1: the last thing I was. I was in Vegas for
Speaker 1: full week and I was pretty bored during the days.
Speaker 1: So Monster Jam, I don't even know that is. That
Speaker 1: is a monster trucks. That is a monster truck tournament,
Speaker 1: big trucks, huge tires, doing backflips, jumping over things. It
Speaker 1: was also that the addition of Jam makes it feel
Speaker 1: like they're getting to, like, you know, go off book
Speaker 1: a little bit, just like j just noodle around with
Speaker 1: the monster truck. It's just monster yeah, freestyle and at
Speaker 1: anyone with their own truck can kind of sit in.
Speaker 1: It's just a jam. Baby, We're just getting down at
Speaker 1: the monster. Hey, do you mind if I brought my truck?
Speaker 1: If do you mind if I just you know, if
Speaker 1: I jam with you guys. I mean, I'm in the
Speaker 1: famous truck called Grave Digger. But what do you got?
Speaker 1: I got this old one Chevy S ten with a
Speaker 1: tonnel cover. We can kind of bubb out with it.
Speaker 1: It's it's mostly made from a cigar books uh that
Speaker 1: made it, and Ye've been passed down for generations. It's
Speaker 1: been through been a few jams. Wait was Grave Digger President?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like a monster jam, I only like
Speaker 1: it used to be big Foot was like the monster
Speaker 1: truck that like the both. Yes, then it's a proper
Speaker 1: monster jam at the Thomas and Macarina. That's exactly it's
Speaker 1: That's the only place it can be. Something thought it
Speaker 1: was like some like nineties hip hop remake of the
Speaker 1: Monster Mash. But I'm glad. I'm glad it is what
Speaker 1: it is. I've definitely heard from like people who I
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect necessarily to be monster truck fans, just in
Speaker 1: the traditional sense, being like I went to a monster
Speaker 1: truck rally. It's awesome, and now that is something I'm into,
Speaker 1: Like I identify as a monster truck person, you know,
Speaker 1: like the I don't know if I would put myself
Speaker 1: that far in the category, but I'm definitely someone who
Speaker 1: gets bored on the road doing stand up around the
Speaker 1: country and looks for things to do, and yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: I'll get something I could talk about on stage out
Speaker 1: of it, or maybe I'll just get an experience out
Speaker 1: of it that I can tell people about or just
Speaker 1: enjoy myself for a couple of hours before I go
Speaker 1: back to the hotel room. For you, what's been the
Speaker 1: most fruitful sort of like experimental event you went to,
Speaker 1: like in the same vein and you're like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: I got a lot of more out of this in
Speaker 1: many levels than I thought I would. Oh, there's a
Speaker 1: great question. I don't I honestly don't know. I I
Speaker 1: think some of the ones that were just surprising, going
Speaker 1: going to a laser tag in a bought with another
Speaker 1: comic that was that was a lot of fun. That
Speaker 1: was just like I was expecting. I hadn't been since
Speaker 1: I was a kid, and I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's see how we go. And then it was just
Speaker 1: you know, we we absolutely murdered the kids. Oh god.
Speaker 1: Now it's just like really because you know, you're doing
Speaker 1: stuff during the day, and most people will have real jobs,
Speaker 1: so if you go and do these things, it won't
Speaker 1: be just being a couple of idiot comedians. And then
Speaker 1: just paris like a seventh grade birthday party exactly, and
Speaker 1: I want to grade birthday party. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll let the kids have their fun, and then like
Speaker 1: one of them shot my kid and then I was
Speaker 1: just on a rampage after like the last year it
Speaker 1: was like not doing fun stuff. I was, I like
Speaker 1: found a good spot and then just like sniped the
Speaker 1: hell out of like everyone. So we're first blooding it.
Speaker 1: Were you playing at Ultra Zone? Yeah? I talked. We
Speaker 1: talked about this. Yeah, where you get where you used
Speaker 1: to work? Where I used to work in Dr Dre
Speaker 1: watched me make me very uncomfortably go there to Matt
Speaker 1: it was that was that where you went for for later? No,
Speaker 1: Where's Where's Ultra Zone? Badly? Like in Sherman Oaks and
Speaker 1: we don't even need to tell people that usually justin
Speaker 1: you can cut that out because ultrazone is nationally famous.
Speaker 1: Ione knows where ultrazone is. Someone surviving? Did you get
Speaker 1: ultra Zone? Was it ultrasone then ultra Zone? No? What
Speaker 1: is that? That's actually the first thing that Miles had
Speaker 1: on his resume when we were like thinking about, you know,
Speaker 1: bringing him on for this show was proud alumnus, alumnus
Speaker 1: of Ultra Zone exactly and no, no follow up, just
Speaker 1: ultra Zone. That's it. That's all you need to know.
Speaker 1: Is is a week the longest time you've ever spent
Speaker 1: consecutively in Vegas? And follow up? Is it the longest
Speaker 1: time anyone has ever spent consecutively in Vegas? Because that
Speaker 1: feels like a long time to be in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: It is a very long time, I would say. I
Speaker 1: would say pen and Tella have beaten that amount of
Speaker 1: time by several decades. But other than that, they have
Speaker 1: to get out, we need travel every day. Well, they
Speaker 1: definitely don't live on the Strip. I'm pretty sure they
Speaker 1: live in nice houses and then commute into the Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say that is exactly five and a half
Speaker 1: days longer than you should ever spend in Vegas. Vegas
Speaker 1: is fantastic for about thirty six hours, and that's that's
Speaker 1: the limits. I had to work on a Senate campaign
Speaker 1: there for two months. And were you on the strip
Speaker 1: to just like literally one block off the strip like that?
Speaker 1: The Candlewood Extended Stays fucking hotel was strip, Matt, You
Speaker 1: have no idea. This was like right after the subprime
Speaker 1: like crash, so there were so many displaced people living
Speaker 1: in this extended stay like hotel, like on Halloween, like
Speaker 1: kids or trick or treating, and like I had like
Speaker 1: a front row seat at like the financial collapse of America,
Speaker 1: and I changed at a molecular level being there for
Speaker 1: two months. I'm not gonna lie it. It definitely puts something,
Speaker 1: put some pep in my step to get the funk
Speaker 1: out of politics. Mhm alright, what is something that you
Speaker 1: think is underrated that underrated? Well, this is gonna. I've
Speaker 1: got really into the Women's euro right now, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if it counts us underrated because it's getting
Speaker 1: huge in the UK. It's selling out now, they're selling
Speaker 1: out stadiums. But they were playing in front of like
Speaker 1: fifty people recently and now they're paying in front of
Speaker 1: tensive houses, so I don't know if it is becoming
Speaker 1: appropriately rated as we speak, but it's been awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fantastic. A you're a England it's coming home, huh,
Speaker 1: going to the finals, going to the finals and looking
Speaker 1: actually good. So I'm excited about that. Yeah, they beat
Speaker 1: they beat the breaks off Sweden. For no, I've been
Speaker 1: watching too because I love like there's so many players
Speaker 1: I root for from the England team and other teams.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's really really it's a great. It's
Speaker 1: a great We also have we have season tickets to
Speaker 1: Angel City, which is the team there, and it's again
Speaker 1: just awesome. It's great. It's I cannot recommend highly enough
Speaker 1: like women women soccer. Just firstly the game is good,
Speaker 1: but also just it's the most enjoyable atmosphere you go
Speaker 1: in there and it's just it's it's the most positive, supportive.
Speaker 1: It's it's families and then like every lesbian in the
Speaker 1: greater Los Angeles area and it's just a great time.
Speaker 1: It's it's just like really like it's just like every
Speaker 1: it's it's really queer it's really female friendly, it's really
Speaker 1: family friendly. It's just and but also just really competitive
Speaker 1: and hypes up and it's it's fun, just like men's soccer, right,
Speaker 1: just exactly. That's exactly exactly on the terraces in England
Speaker 1: in the seventies, exact same exactly that. Yeah, racial slurs,
Speaker 1: you've not even considered me, that will confuse you, exactly.
Speaker 1: You've got to you've got to unpick it like a
Speaker 1: cross broad clue. You're like, you have to work it
Speaker 1: out before, you know, to be offended, you know what.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, do you think that's what they meant? Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that that is okay. Hey wait, so they were like
Speaker 1: they were playing to fifty people and then I mean fifties,
Speaker 1: like an fifties a little bit of an exaggeration, but
Speaker 1: it has been. Yeah, they've been playing in front of
Speaker 1: like a few thousands and in the small of the
Speaker 1: stadiums and stuff, and it's just getting bigger and bigger.
Speaker 1: And because the tournaments in England, the England Games of particularly,
Speaker 1: they've been selling out Premier League grounds and the final
Speaker 1: is at Wembley Stadium and it's already completely sold out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's I don't know what women these
Speaker 1: capacity is, but it's in the I think my fingers.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's it's nine ninety and also shout out Beth Meade,
Speaker 1: who's the top score for England and the tournament also
Speaker 1: plays for Arsenal Women's as Just as you moved your head,
Speaker 1: I saw the Emirates logo. Yeah, yeah, you saw, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you saw the kid. You know, I'm I'm I'm totally
Speaker 1: gunner brained, so I'm like like that's why I like
Speaker 1: I'm watching everybody like, look at them all flours. I
Speaker 1: love it. Wish the Dutch did a little bit better though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: me too. I think it's a plat me too. I
Speaker 1: wish the Dutch did better. I saw the Emirates logo,
Speaker 1: totally know what that means, and excited about the as well.
Speaker 1: What's something you think is over rge it? I was
Speaker 1: torn on this one. Can I have to because I
Speaker 1: cann't decide between Sweet Potato Fries and the Beach Boys. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, let's let's I think sweet Potato Fries is
Speaker 1: a great call and pretty self explanatory. Let's go in
Speaker 1: on the beach Boys just just too tweet and Diddley.
Speaker 1: I just can't do it. I can't do it. I'll
Speaker 1: give you, I'll give you some of pet Sounds and
Speaker 1: like and when Brian Wilson went really off the rails,
Speaker 1: that was basically just Brian Wilson by that point, just
Speaker 1: in a in an acid casualty cocoon without the beach Boy.
Speaker 1: But most of it's just too just too deadly for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even pet sounds. So I am a Beach Boys fan,
Speaker 1: even pet sounds. I feel like you have to sometimes
Speaker 1: pretend they're singing in a different language that you don't
Speaker 1: know to appreciate it because the words are like so
Speaker 1: it's like, what didn't eleven year old? Right? This song?
Speaker 1: Like the like arrangements are beautiful, the instrumentation, like the
Speaker 1: production is so incredible, and then it's like, wouldn't it
Speaker 1: be neat if we got I'll give you that, yeah,
Speaker 1: which I mean there's a sweetness to some of it,
Speaker 1: but I yeah, sometimes I'm just like, I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: turn the language receptors off in my brand for this one.
Speaker 1: And sometimes that's okay, but I I do have to
Speaker 1: defend the artistry of Mike Love not just my favorite
Speaker 1: Beach boy, maybe my favorite artist of all time. Uh.
Speaker 1: This man is responsible for Kokomo. He's responsible for telling
Speaker 1: Brian Wilson to funk off with all his creative cleverness
Speaker 1: of pet sounds one of He's responsible for flashing uh
Speaker 1: thumbs up and wearing a captain's hat about the fifty
Speaker 1: times and every performance that I've ever seen of him
Speaker 1: just took being a world class piece of ship capitalist
Speaker 1: to levels of artistry that I don't think anyone like.
Speaker 1: He was the person who like kind of sent Brian
Speaker 1: Wilson off the rails. He was like, that sounds sucks, dude,
Speaker 1: sorry to tell you. We can put it out. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna sell. And then it didn't sell, and Brian
Speaker 1: Wilson was like, fuck, I'm the worst and stayed in
Speaker 1: bed for like three years. What was the intersection with
Speaker 1: Charles Manson? Was it like the drummer that was friends
Speaker 1: with him or something one of the Wilson brothers. I
Speaker 1: think maybe Dennis Wilson was just like Charles Manson was
Speaker 1: just like a sociopath. He was like hanging around everybody
Speaker 1: that was fam lifted his house for a while like that.
Speaker 1: The family actually lived in his house for a bit.
Speaker 1: He put him to record a couple of songs with him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And when you listen to Charles Manson's music, like I
Speaker 1: do every day just to get to get myself right
Speaker 1: in the morning show, it's it's like heavily, heavily influenced.
Speaker 1: It's like if I just all of a sudden tried
Speaker 1: to record a Beach Boys song. Alexa placed Charles Manson
Speaker 1: on Spotify. Don't do that to people. Is there an
Speaker 1: I Heeart Radio Manson channel? Is there? Oh? You better
Speaker 1: believe it? Yeah? Well serious, he got to check out
Speaker 1: Serious x MS. Right, it's just twenty four hour Manson
Speaker 1: family demos. It's just old Rush Limbo episodes they play
Speaker 1: and then just occasionally help a Skelton by the Beatles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just kind of spice it up. I think one of
Speaker 1: the motivations for like the killings at like the Tate
Speaker 1: La Bianca murders was that they were going to that
Speaker 1: house because that's where a record producer lived who had
Speaker 1: like turned down his demo. So like his whole thing
Speaker 1: was he just wanted to be famous, and he was like, well,
Speaker 1: hanging out with the bat Tooys didn't work. I guess
Speaker 1: we'll go with this and to be fair, mission accomplished. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I know his name. Probably I knew
Speaker 1: his name before I knew Dennis Wilson's name. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: in your face, Dennis Wilson a century later, he's still
Speaker 1: being spoken about on a radio show. Yeah exactly, exactly. Wow.
Speaker 1: I just like the idea that there's just this one
Speaker 1: anecdote where it said, oh, it says when Wilson took Manson,
Speaker 1: inspiring musician to record in his studio, Manson had a
Speaker 1: disagreement with Wilson's producers and ended up pulling a knife
Speaker 1: on them. Yeah, you know so, but this was also
Speaker 1: this was the sixties, So yeah, that's just I don't
Speaker 1: think that's that unusual behaving few musician, he said. They're
Speaker 1: just like always one of those temperamental ones, right exactly.
Speaker 1: That's how they would just settle disputes. Was always the
Speaker 1: beat it music video style where you could try your
Speaker 1: hands together and like do the knife dance. You think
Speaker 1: Phil Specta didn't pull knife on recording engineers all the time, right,
Speaker 1: Philli Specker stayed with his knife out, and then when
Speaker 1: when it was a special when it was a special time,
Speaker 1: he would start licking off shots was actually a bunch
Speaker 1: of knives on a board that he would move closer
Speaker 1: to the performing artists to be like, alright, Matt Miles,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. We'll come back and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about the news. Shall we agreed? All right, and
Speaker 1: we're back and uh yeah, we're just checking in. We
Speaker 1: like to we like to check in with the continued
Speaker 1: PSI up that's happening and in your Bloomsburg and your
Speaker 1: fortunes where where they're just trying to make people feel
Speaker 1: bad about leaving their jobs and like trying to take
Speaker 1: some autonomy over their own careers. They're like, man, people,
Speaker 1: people don't like it. People regret that they did that.
Speaker 1: There could coming back and saying sorry daddy to their
Speaker 1: exactly where they have to crawl through a dusty like
Speaker 1: fucking crawl space like Homer when he has to beg
Speaker 1: for his job back from Mr Burns and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: is this is this an up head fight? Any shots?
Speaker 1: Written by Jonathan Boss Management Company by Sea Montgomery Burns. Actually,
Speaker 1: but so like about a week ago, you know, we
Speaker 1: brought up this like constant back and forth and especially
Speaker 1: the financial news sector that kept waffling between people are quitting, help,
Speaker 1: what do we do into? Actually gen Z hates a
Speaker 1: remote work and that's a good thing. So people who
Speaker 1: like remote work are dumb. Was sort of like the
Speaker 1: gist of him, like what the fun is going on? Also,
Speaker 1: Commercial Landlord of Commercial Landloading believe that people hate working remotely.
Speaker 1: The young people do not like it as well. I
Speaker 1: asked a group of ninth graders what they thought of
Speaker 1: remote work. They don't funk with it, and it's like
Speaker 1: that's not a good sample size. So in the last
Speaker 1: two weeks now we're seeing fucking headlines like this. This
Speaker 1: is from Bloomberg. Millions of Americans regret the great resignation. Uh.
Speaker 1: Then Fortune magazine with the financial yes and comes through
Speaker 1: with the great regret. Doesn't mean employers are off the
Speaker 1: hook now, see this is I like to see this
Speaker 1: balance that's coming out with pieces like this because the
Speaker 1: first headline serves as an announcement that um, actually people
Speaker 1: regret looking for better prospects and outcomes for their lives.
Speaker 1: But keep in mind what they're when when you look
Speaker 1: at this sort of sub headline, it says about one
Speaker 1: quarter of job leavers rue the decision. Oh that's three
Speaker 1: courts of people are glad they left their job. So really,
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of people that left their jobs aren't
Speaker 1: regretting it. Maybe that's the fucking headline, and I like
Speaker 1: that they can use it because it's the American workforce.
Speaker 1: It can sound like millions, but let's get a way
Speaker 1: to get ahead of ourselves. You said that is higher
Speaker 1: than I and I think most people would expect like that,
Speaker 1: somebody leaving their job just because they're like, nah, fuck it,
Speaker 1: like I don't really like this job and I'll find
Speaker 1: something better. That seventy percent are like that actually worked
Speaker 1: out is pretty like incredible, Like it is not what
Speaker 1: I would expect. There's a lot of projection that also,
Speaker 1: just like projecting desire and intention onto what's actually just
Speaker 1: a pragmatism and expedientcly like just people who weren't being
Speaker 1: paid for a job during the pandemic and weren't being
Speaker 1: given benefits, stop doing that job and now a lot
Speaker 1: of those benefits has been taken away. They need jobs
Speaker 1: again and so have had to apply. It's going like, oh,
Speaker 1: these people did this for this and did that. No,
Speaker 1: they just they just did the normal thing that everyone
Speaker 1: normally does, which is way up a basic pro and
Speaker 1: con cost benefit analysis of I need to do this
Speaker 1: job right now? Do not need to do this job right? Well,
Speaker 1: look who needs rents? And so now it's actually too well.
Speaker 1: At any given time, most people do the least bad
Speaker 1: job that would give them enough money to be able
Speaker 1: to survive. Like it just where that line is moves
Speaker 1: up and down depending on circumstance. And that's what has happened.
Speaker 1: That line has just moved up and down, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's really just trying to have reckoned with the
Speaker 1: like the fact that the initial shutdown from the pandemic
Speaker 1: really gave people a moment to pause and like reset
Speaker 1: their expectations for themselves. And guess what seventy percent of
Speaker 1: those people were like I did, I made the right move,
Speaker 1: and maybe the other twenty five probably fell into a
Speaker 1: difference that you they might not be like, actually, I
Speaker 1: actually went to a job I didn't like out of
Speaker 1: necessity more so that I regret leaving it. So they're
Speaker 1: still in the American workforce. It's not great. It's not
Speaker 1: great out there, but like not at a Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like everyone's just doing lu Ow's now also
Speaker 1: that like, I mean, this is a net gain. People
Speaker 1: leaving jobs they like for jobs they like more is
Speaker 1: a net gain. And that was made possible by the
Speaker 1: Great resignation, which was made possible by the government just
Speaker 1: giving the least amount of assistance, just like a small
Speaker 1: amount of assistance that would give people breathing room to
Speaker 1: be like, all right, now I can actually like look
Speaker 1: at my life and think about like things with like
Speaker 1: some objectivity instead of just being sucking check to check
Speaker 1: every single day. And like, I think about how much
Speaker 1: happier that has made America overall. And the working from
Speaker 1: home thing, Like I'm not a hunt persent advocate for
Speaker 1: working the home. There were things that I think I
Speaker 1: I I think writing rooms like TV writing rooms are
Speaker 1: still better. I love being in a room with people
Speaker 1: bouncing off them. I think the energy is still better
Speaker 1: than being on zoom. But you don't need to be
Speaker 1: in there all the time. You can do a lot
Speaker 1: of it remotely and then have like the kind of
Speaker 1: meetings and it's just hamming home. How much of most
Speaker 1: jobs is just busy work and giving the appearance of working,
Speaker 1: and how much of it is just bullshit as a result,
Speaker 1: And I think that's what the last two years have done.
Speaker 1: One the thing else, it's just really pulled the curtains
Speaker 1: back and just shown how much of most jobs is
Speaker 1: acting the parts and completely unnecessary and showing willing Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly capitalistic pantomime basically for people to be like, yes, see,
Speaker 1: I am creating value by typing on keyboard and then
Speaker 1: talking to my friends for the rest of the other
Speaker 1: six hours that I'm here. Yeah, it turns out I
Speaker 1: can do this job in three hours a day, but
Speaker 1: I have to still appear to be here eight hours
Speaker 1: a day to give the justification for this job. But no,
Speaker 1: why not just if they're getting the job done in
Speaker 1: three hours, pay them for those three hours what you
Speaker 1: would pay them for day hours. And that the last
Speaker 1: time you were on I was I was out. But
Speaker 1: that was before the pandemic. So you don't know this
Speaker 1: about me. But before the pandemic, I had just a
Speaker 1: slick to the side, hare do three piece suit at
Speaker 1: all times, in a pocket watch that I would check
Speaker 1: every nine seconds, take a deep breath and just mop
Speaker 1: my brow a little bit, and then quill and furiously
Speaker 1: writing down notes on your parchment's paper and then second
Speaker 1: that won't do that, won't do um. But then this
Speaker 1: like Fortune article is sort of like yes, ending it,
Speaker 1: but trying to give like this it says the great
Speaker 1: regret doesn't mean employers are off the hook, and what
Speaker 1: they talk about me It says like, hey, just because
Speaker 1: some of these people fucking regret trying to better their lives,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you the employer can just fucking skate
Speaker 1: by with your toxic workplace and like you know expectations
Speaker 1: of employees, which is sort of like threatening the needle
Speaker 1: in between where sort of like yes, ending the idea
Speaker 1: that like a lot of people are regretting it, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure some people do, but then like sort of
Speaker 1: giving maybe someone who's reading this the false sense of
Speaker 1: security or like are being like, oh, okay, this this
Speaker 1: sounds good because now they're sort of trying to signal
Speaker 1: to the employer class that they have things that they
Speaker 1: have to do in order for me to go back
Speaker 1: to fucking toil for you know, a pittance when we're
Speaker 1: trying to have a living wage. So it just sort
Speaker 1: of it's interesting to see how like they all kind
Speaker 1: of work together kind of be like all right. Now
Speaker 1: we're in the new phase of saying people fucking regret
Speaker 1: seeking better opportunities. Don't be too hard on them out there, fellas.
Speaker 1: All right, we know they fucked up, all right, and
Speaker 1: they know they fucked up, so just go easy, all right,
Speaker 1: don't don't don't be trying to get them back to
Speaker 1: work by offering better conditions and pay and then like
Speaker 1: that because because so yeah, you know, let's let's let's
Speaker 1: keep let's not let's not have any kind of inflation
Speaker 1: of pay or a benefits or anything like that, no
Speaker 1: better conditions, just we'll just we'll just keep everything the
Speaker 1: same and everyone will eventually hopefully come back. There's this
Speaker 1: other thing, right then, Fortune two weeks ago had the
Speaker 1: this isn't the fucking same section. Many people who joined
Speaker 1: the Great Resignation were credit and it means bosses can
Speaker 1: take back power. What wow? Is that an opinion piece?
Speaker 1: Like like, I'm really curious, Um, don't worry. What if
Speaker 1: it's an opinion or analysis like it it's real, dude,
Speaker 1: it's sucking real. And they go to this other thing
Speaker 1: that they're saying, like, yeah, man, a lot of the
Speaker 1: people who say they miss it, they miss their work family.
Speaker 1: They work family. Oh my god, they're doing the thing.
Speaker 1: They're legitimizing the CEO talking point of look, welcome, welcome
Speaker 1: to the job. But really you're not being welcome to
Speaker 1: a job. You're being uh welcomed to a family. We're
Speaker 1: really a family around here, and as has been pointed out,
Speaker 1: that means you're about to get fucked by whatever job
Speaker 1: is telling you. You're a you're a family. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you can choose. You can't choose your family, right, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: that's a dysfunctional, abusive family where we actually don't truly
Speaker 1: give a funk about you, but we pretend to and
Speaker 1: you still have to like hang out with us, but
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't really get away with the get
Speaker 1: away they think too is like this is really instructive
Speaker 1: where they say they're like the people that regret it.
Speaker 1: This is from this that articles as bosses can take
Speaker 1: the power back. The biggest reason workers are feeling quitters
Speaker 1: or more is that they gave notice without another job
Speaker 1: lined up. Yep, yeah, that sounds that's again practical. That
Speaker 1: sounds like the group of people who would be like
Speaker 1: I funked out up. Huh, I just quit the job
Speaker 1: and didn't have any other prospects signed up. Now, I
Speaker 1: guess sometimes you quit because there's no fucking You're like,
Speaker 1: there's no way I can continue at this job. But
Speaker 1: that seems like pretty spot on for someone who like, so,
Speaker 1: did you know of the people who were who quit
Speaker 1: a job and not having a job lined up? Do
Speaker 1: you regret that? And yeah? What like, yeah, that was bad?
Speaker 1: And then they're saying like, look at this man. Now
Speaker 1: you've got the opportunity for what they call quote boomerang
Speaker 1: employees who will turn to daddy and some of those
Speaker 1: people regret having like taken a dump in the CEO's
Speaker 1: office and then the parking lockdown. Right, those guys regret
Speaker 1: it ship on his laptop and then closed it on
Speaker 1: the ship. It's like that I shouldn't have closed it
Speaker 1: on the ship, and we might have been able to
Speaker 1: salvage this thing. Yeah, because there's no amount of rice
Speaker 1: that you can put that in now the yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's pretty much useless. But yeah, like, of all those
Speaker 1: I honestly think that one fortune one that says like
Speaker 1: just because people don't like, aren't you know, maybe only
Speaker 1: three quarters of people don't regret going back doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you can't, you know, adjust your shitty workplace. I mean
Speaker 1: I think that at the end of the day, that
Speaker 1: should be the one thing that if it does feel
Speaker 1: like usable information for an employer, is that, like, dude,
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that most people fucking hate about a
Speaker 1: job is the work culture or the office culture, or
Speaker 1: if it's toxic or feels like there's no place for
Speaker 1: them to be human. And also they're not paid enough
Speaker 1: to have feel like they have any autonomy, right Jack,
Speaker 1: you read if you're reading these other articles they say, dude,
Speaker 1: some people don't care if they're not getting paid as much,
Speaker 1: if the environment's chill enough and they like the people
Speaker 1: they're around. It's like they get wild from a secession,
Speaker 1: right from severance right right, right, it's just wild to read,
Speaker 1: like just sort of how that's articulated to like to
Speaker 1: these people to it's like, hey, dude, they'll fucking take
Speaker 1: ship money if it's like more funzies, right, yeah, one
Speaker 1: ping pong table is worth like year, right exactly? How
Speaker 1: many what's your yeah, what's your bean bag? Being back
Speaker 1: to like mono stool ratio on the office being back
Speaker 1: to health insurance ratio like it also makes sense of
Speaker 1: the fortune thing that like, they so they published the
Speaker 1: article that was like transparently, openly and somewhat aggressively as sociopathic.
Speaker 1: That was like employees regret quitting and now here's how
Speaker 1: to pound and take advantage of them. And then like
Speaker 1: somebody in their editorial room. Again we've talked about how
Speaker 1: like people in journalism aren't like they they're not like
Speaker 1: churned out by like the CIA there, you know, people
Speaker 1: with souls and working brand. So somebody in their editorial
Speaker 1: room was like, uh that, like that came off really weird,
Speaker 1: like we should do something else, and like so two
Speaker 1: weeks later they churn out this one that is like
Speaker 1: the great regret doesn't mean employers are off the hook,
Speaker 1: so it's like that's their counterbalance. But it still takes
Speaker 1: place in a universe where it's like, oh, these little
Speaker 1: fuckers are so screwed. Man, Well, it still takes place
Speaker 1: in a universe that where the great Regret is a
Speaker 1: sun as seemed true that people will be reading about
Speaker 1: definitely true. Doesn't mean that this other stuff isn't also valid,
Speaker 1: but oh man, anyway, so continue to add the cave
Speaker 1: for better outcomes for yourself, and don't listen listening to
Speaker 1: fucking nonsense articles that are just meant to pacify people,
Speaker 1: especially ones in articles named after billionaires who are only
Speaker 1: have a thing because they're billionaires, or named after a
Speaker 1: euphemism for billions of dollars fortune euphemism for exploiting people's
Speaker 1: lab Fortune magazine Soldier of m Never mind, All right,
Speaker 1: let's say quickly, we'll be right back, and we're back.
Speaker 1: So I've had this thing, uh kind of bounced around
Speaker 1: my head about impostor syndrome for a while. I well, now,
Speaker 1: so I read. I read a really cool article on
Speaker 1: impostor syndrome and blood knife. This is a publication that
Speaker 1: I highly recommend people check out. It's also the source
Speaker 1: of that conversation we had a while back about the
Speaker 1: complete like neutering and de sexualization of all like modern
Speaker 1: blockbusters and like how the sex has just been complete
Speaker 1: as characters and actors have gotten like more and more
Speaker 1: buff and like indistinguishable from one another in terms of
Speaker 1: like how what they look like in in movies. They've
Speaker 1: just completely removed any sex from like the most popular
Speaker 1: movies in America. Was a very interesting article. So they
Speaker 1: have a new article on imposter syndrome that I thought
Speaker 1: is it was really interesting. I think I feel like
Speaker 1: it ties into our recent conversation on social media making
Speaker 1: people unhappy about bullshit jobs. Yeah, about bullshit jobs. At
Speaker 1: a conversation about Sunday scar ease. We actually had a
Speaker 1: listener reach out after that conversation saying that like their
Speaker 1: Sunday scaries went away when they went from you know,
Speaker 1: unfulfilling spreadsheet work basically helping employers make the case for
Speaker 1: postponing people's raises to working on behavior tech for like
Speaker 1: children with disabilities, which that that makes sense. It's like
Speaker 1: when I started doing something that was like fulfilling and
Speaker 1: that didn't pay as much, but it was like fulfilling
Speaker 1: at a deeper level, I stopped having existential dread on Sundays.
Speaker 1: So anyways, the the essay on impostor syndrome basically suggests
Speaker 1: that we feel like impostors. Like It starts out with
Speaker 1: talking about like Tina Fey and Meryl Streep are two
Speaker 1: examples of people who are you know, Meryl Streep one
Speaker 1: of the finest living American actors, Tina Fey one of
Speaker 1: our greatest joke writers, and they've both talked about how
Speaker 1: they feel like the impostors, and we've always just treated
Speaker 1: it like it's a pathology of like, you know, the
Speaker 1: difference between how great you are and how great people
Speaker 1: say you are and then like you feel like on
Speaker 1: the inside. And this essay basically positive that we feel
Speaker 1: like impostors when we get success in the modern American system,
Speaker 1: because the system itself is empty and basically designed to
Speaker 1: like make rich people richer at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: So is it kind of arguing that it's not that, say,
Speaker 1: Tina Faie feels like an imposter as a creator of
Speaker 1: TV and movies, of of comedic content, but she feels
Speaker 1: like an impostor for being part of this Hollywood machine
Speaker 1: because of her incredible talent at making TV and movies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and because like so it talks about how people who
Speaker 1: suffer from impostor syndrome a lot of the time are
Speaker 1: upwardly mobile. They're people who have experienced you know, They're
Speaker 1: not the people who are like the CEO s Son
Speaker 1: is not experiencing like impostor syndrome when the CEO makes
Speaker 1: him ceoo because they've never known anything else. As people
Speaker 1: who have like worked their way up and then they
Speaker 1: get to that level and they're like, oh everyone is
Speaker 1: suddenly like treating me or paying me in such a
Speaker 1: way that like like I've like escaped the human condition.
Speaker 1: But like I know all the people who I worked
Speaker 1: with on the way up or more talented than any
Speaker 1: of these dipshits like up here, and like I see
Speaker 1: like how arbitrary the successes and like the you know,
Speaker 1: the just the whole design of the system being you know,
Speaker 1: designed to just deliver success via nepotism or via like
Speaker 1: a college degree or something like that, like something that
Speaker 1: is it's just a sense that like it delivers rewards
Speaker 1: in a way that is like not doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: And and like you can kind of take a moment
Speaker 1: once you achieve success and be like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: the whole thing is like bullshit. It's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: got here randomly like or it comes out and survivor's
Speaker 1: guilt too, I know, for a lot of like marginalized
Speaker 1: people to just like when you get up there manifests
Speaker 1: and survivor's guilty, You're like, why me of all the people,
Speaker 1: because I know other people who look like me or
Speaker 1: come from similar circumstances who don't have a third of
Speaker 1: the opportunity, and you begin to be like, well, then
Speaker 1: what the funk do I have? Like maybe, but this
Speaker 1: is bullshit. I've I've definitely experienced that myself, where I
Speaker 1: was like felt guilt over the fact that I was
Speaker 1: upwardly mobile and was like, well, what the fund does
Speaker 1: that mean? And I think what's important though, to even
Speaker 1: point out about imposter syndrome is that when that when
Speaker 1: that the term was coined in the late seventies, the
Speaker 1: people who did that study had they they didn't, They
Speaker 1: didn't they never actually factored in like what like classism,
Speaker 1: systemic racism, or like xenophobia, those kinds of biases, like
Speaker 1: how that actually factors into how people experience to their
Speaker 1: lives too, And like in the Harvard Business Review, they're
Speaker 1: also saying like there's an interesting way to even look
Speaker 1: at imposter syndrome, like there is that feeling where there's
Speaker 1: like a disconnect between what value you feel you're providing
Speaker 1: versus what you think is valuable. And then also this
Speaker 1: idea that you will feel like naturally marginalized people, women
Speaker 1: women of color will are going to feel like impostors
Speaker 1: because they're just they're absent from representation in a lot
Speaker 1: of these spaces, or they experience a lot of microaggressions
Speaker 1: or just up just straight up aggression, racism, whatever when
Speaker 1: they get to these positions. So that adds to this
Speaker 1: feeling of feeling like oh shit, am I so am
Speaker 1: I supposed to be here? And so it's like it's
Speaker 1: very like multilayered, which is really interesting and like and
Speaker 1: a lot of people sort of advocate for it rather
Speaker 1: than saying, hey, what's wrong with you? Why you got
Speaker 1: imposter syndrome? It's like, why aren't we dealing with the
Speaker 1: environment that's creating these people who are like very unsure
Speaker 1: about themselves too, because that's a lot of this is
Speaker 1: a reflection of the environments that people are like existing
Speaker 1: and yeah, for sure, I mean like that. And they
Speaker 1: also point out like those who have actual jobs that
Speaker 1: make sense and produce genuine value for society, like teachers, farmers, firefighters, cooks,
Speaker 1: truck drivers, make significantly less money, work under more dangerous conditions,
Speaker 1: and are generally not the people who are struggling with
Speaker 1: imposter syndrome. You know, I don't know that, I know,
Speaker 1: I know a bunch of teachers who have in posted
Speaker 1: syndrome as well, who are like in front of but
Speaker 1: like I don't also I know you, like they're like
Speaker 1: idiot friends who will be up with until like three
Speaker 1: in the morning. They're like, oh God, I gotta teach
Speaker 1: like French tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah, and they're like, go, why
Speaker 1: is anyone listening to me? Exactly. They're like they think
Speaker 1: kind of like a responsible adults and an idiot. They're like,
Speaker 1: I just bought a bunch of tickets to a kid's
Speaker 1: Ninja Warrior event. Yeah. I mean, we recently talked about
Speaker 1: like just this idea of like a lot of the
Speaker 1: issues that we have attributed to, you know, different ills
Speaker 1: coming like social media. We see a lot of stories
Speaker 1: about social media, you know, caused people to be unhappy,
Speaker 1: and the American workforce caused people to be unhappy. And
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like it's all kind of part
Speaker 1: of this modern just alt of like just you know
Speaker 1: the condition where like existing inside a system that no
Speaker 1: matter how much like you subscribe to like the Rise
Speaker 1: and Grind and like I'm I'm on, you know, I
Speaker 1: believe in the American dream type ship. Like there's a
Speaker 1: part of you that can't be tricked. That might not
Speaker 1: be conscious, it might not like be the part of
Speaker 1: your brain that you even put language too, but like
Speaker 1: you know it. And this article says about CEOs and
Speaker 1: the marrow of their bones. They know their impostors too,
Speaker 1: like when they're when they're like, yeah I should, I
Speaker 1: should make like thousands times more money than like my
Speaker 1: lowest level employee. You know, I'm definitely yeah, I'm definitely
Speaker 1: five thousand times more important to the creation of this
Speaker 1: car than the guy who puts the brakes on. Yah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And like on social media, which I think we all
Speaker 1: like kind of a lot a lot of us, I
Speaker 1: would say, all I know, like some younger people who
Speaker 1: have smartly just been like, oh yeah, I don't funk
Speaker 1: with social media because so so toxic. But like you know,
Speaker 1: social media, like you know, is making people unhappy and
Speaker 1: the like, it's a gamable system that delivers no value
Speaker 1: to the intended audience or the creator when you win.
Speaker 1: Really you're competing to make the apps better at robbing
Speaker 1: people of their free will. Like it's like I I
Speaker 1: wish I was more online and some ways, and I
Speaker 1: wish I was better at playing the game but because
Speaker 1: it's it does have value. I've got friends who are
Speaker 1: great comics who have found their audience through various social
Speaker 1: media's and now people come out and see them live
Speaker 1: and that, and they wouldn't have done otherwise, and that
Speaker 1: makes me really happy for them. But there's upon me
Speaker 1: that just bolts at all of that. Like I technically
Speaker 1: have an Instagram. I post on it once every six
Speaker 1: months or so when I remember to do it. I
Speaker 1: used Twitter a lot more, and I wish I didn't.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I love Twitter, but like it's I and
Speaker 1: I think like part of what I like about Twitter
Speaker 1: is it is the worst at marketing, Like it sucks
Speaker 1: at marketing like that, I've never kicked on Twitter add
Speaker 1: but like whereas Instagram, I like check Instagram once every
Speaker 1: couple of weeks and like almost like the the only
Speaker 1: online ads that have ever gotten me to make up
Speaker 1: purchase are on Instagram. Like, Instagram is a very powerful
Speaker 1: marketing tool. And I don't know, like the QBC, but
Speaker 1: yeah it's and it's not the Facebook. And it's creepy
Speaker 1: how much Facebook knows about you. It's just creepy how
Speaker 1: much it has and how they can triangulate it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's like this person likes this food and like this
Speaker 1: kind of music. Guess what they're gonna like this cooking
Speaker 1: product something yea. And even more more specifically, like this
Speaker 1: person was stood next to these three people at these
Speaker 1: three times, so that yeh wants to buy this hat.
Speaker 1: Oh God. The whole thing is being fueled by like
Speaker 1: the collective brilliance of a extremely under employed generation that is,
Speaker 1: you know, smarter than any generation before. That's true of
Speaker 1: like every new generation. And but like they you know,
Speaker 1: all all the wealth is being hoarded by the older
Speaker 1: generations and they're just you know, toiling away on these
Speaker 1: social media projects that the wealth is being extracted to
Speaker 1: like a handful of billionaires in a suburb of San Francisco.
Speaker 1: And it's like that's it's not a justice system, which
Speaker 1: in ton is ruining San Francisco right exactly. And it's
Speaker 1: the whole you know, it's not that social media is
Speaker 1: necessarily bad. It's not the people who feel like impostors
Speaker 1: are impostors. It's that they are all feeling at some
Speaker 1: level that they are, you know, the entire fabric of
Speaker 1: the system they exist inside and strive to succeed in
Speaker 1: is actually designed to make rich people and their kids
Speaker 1: richer and keep other people from getting their money. And
Speaker 1: like it's it's that simple, Like when you like more
Speaker 1: and more, we're just seeing like, oh, that's it, Like
Speaker 1: that's it all goes back to that, like they're affecting
Speaker 1: the political system. And when you succeed, you realize that
Speaker 1: probably more than you did when you were Like, we're
Speaker 1: working your way up and if you've noticed the how
Speaker 1: arbitrary and like pointless a lot of this ship is.
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I I also feel like we've
Speaker 1: like specifically with regards to social media, we've lost our
Speaker 1: free will more and more because it is like brilliantly
Speaker 1: designed to market to us and then in a little direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah just yeah, and you know replace what whatever you're wants,
Speaker 1: Like it does not want you to be satisfied. It
Speaker 1: wants you to, you know, feel unsatisfied and feel like
Speaker 1: you need to purchase something in order to like whether
Speaker 1: that's in a broad sense of like a purchase buy
Speaker 1: into a lifestyle. Uh, it's our whole like inside like
Speaker 1: that I kept thinking when I was like thinking about
Speaker 1: about this the past couple of days of that part
Speaker 1: in Stranger Things where they like cut the kid open
Speaker 1: and it's like cotton balls inside, because it's like a
Speaker 1: rep blicka thing, and like, I don't know it. I
Speaker 1: think that is a potent metaphor because we are like
Speaker 1: filled with artificial like metaphysical circuitry at this point. It's
Speaker 1: just all it's all been packed in there and it's
Speaker 1: like circus peanuts in the inside. I feel like sometimes
Speaker 1: like it's just it feels a bit like because it's
Speaker 1: not just keeping you unsatisfied, it's keeping you constantly anxious.
Speaker 1: And it rives me a bit of the way that
Speaker 1: people who are addicted to cigarettes, Like cigarettes don't actually
Speaker 1: make you calm, They just reduced the uncalmness of craving
Speaker 1: a cigarette. That's what it like. You don't need the
Speaker 1: cigarette doesn't calm you down. It just stops. It just
Speaker 1: stops that tension and unpleasantness and anxiety you feel because
Speaker 1: you have a craving finicotine. And then it's it's sated,
Speaker 1: and it sort of does that same thing. It just
Speaker 1: keeps you just on the edge of anxiety constantly, so
Speaker 1: that it can then take away that anxiety from not
Speaker 1: having this thing. But it's not actually bringing you joy
Speaker 1: and calmness, it's just bringing you the absence of that
Speaker 1: lack of calmness, right, And I think that's probably at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, that's what so many people
Speaker 1: are like grappling with, is trying to like reconcile this,
Speaker 1: like what you're told is how the world works and
Speaker 1: who deserves what and who gets what, And then you
Speaker 1: experience and you're like, wait, this is so fucking weird.
Speaker 1: Like I think of just how hard I've liked like
Speaker 1: how to work, to to try and find better jobs,
Speaker 1: to try and like be in spaces or like I
Speaker 1: could feel like I could use all of my talents properly.
Speaker 1: And then you get to some places and you really
Speaker 1: you begin to question. You're like, why can't everyone fucking
Speaker 1: just be happy? Like why can't they why aren't they
Speaker 1: able to pursue what they want to do? And why
Speaker 1: is everything so fucking finite and not that we have
Speaker 1: to live in a utopia or if like if you
Speaker 1: want to be in the n b A, you can
Speaker 1: be in the NBA, but at least have the like
Speaker 1: freedom to pursue these things, and like we look and
Speaker 1: that sort of in turn kicks off a whole examination
Speaker 1: of like your life's circumstances and things like that, and
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, like if everything is so fucking arbitrary,
Speaker 1: And because of that, it also feels like violence for
Speaker 1: the people who aren't like somehow get a pull of
Speaker 1: like a proper number in the cosmic lottery of like existing,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, but then we're also sold this
Speaker 1: thing of like, hey, everybody can experience happiness or whatever
Speaker 1: or like have the living ways and things like that.
Speaker 1: And then you look and you're like, that's not the
Speaker 1: fucking case, So why the fund do I get it?
Speaker 1: And I think that also sets off this other like
Speaker 1: existential dilemma for some people too, as you look inward
Speaker 1: and trying to like reckon all of these feelings, have
Speaker 1: a reckoning with all these feelings. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: The social media is specifically, it's just like you're taking
Speaker 1: the sharp and spear point of capitalism and sticking it
Speaker 1: in your brain. Like the capitalism has gotten very good
Speaker 1: at marketing and social media. He is like all of
Speaker 1: those things like brought together, and it's just constantly like
Speaker 1: it is the most like the closest that humanity has
Speaker 1: come to the singularity because it's just using all of
Speaker 1: our collective like brilliance and like the movement of human
Speaker 1: thought and you know, applying it to itself and using
Speaker 1: that to just like rob us of our free will
Speaker 1: and uh. And you can find me on Twitter at macti,
Speaker 1: Instagram at Matt on discool cushion. But I was literally
Speaker 1: about to end the show and ask you where people
Speaker 1: can find you so guilt all this stuff. No, But
Speaker 1: I think that's what's interesting, right, is that there are
Speaker 1: there are many levels of people who I think are
Speaker 1: just in touch with their own anxieties, right, Like Matt,
Speaker 1: you know yourself well enough, you're like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: Like I wish I could use Twitter like I see
Speaker 1: other people use it. But for me personally, I'm just
Speaker 1: You're you're wired in a way where like it doesn't
Speaker 1: quite you know, you're not seeing the benefits that you
Speaker 1: would from using it. In fact, I'll even do things
Speaker 1: like I'll move it over a screen in my on
Speaker 1: my phone. You know, you know, I've got I've got
Speaker 1: social media wrapps in a folder, and I'll move onto
Speaker 1: page four of that folder and then three days later
Speaker 1: my thumb reflex has just adapted to just go like okay,
Speaker 1: when I open Twitter and out, like I tap on
Speaker 1: the folder and then it's just one to three yeah
Speaker 1: swipes instead of just one swipe, and it's just it's that,
Speaker 1: and it's just it just becomes like a new automatic.
Speaker 1: It takes an extra two days to learn the new
Speaker 1: automatic move. And I had the same thing too, where
Speaker 1: I was feeling like I just a certain part of me.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is like I when I was younger,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just using this to like stunt
Speaker 1: on people all the time. That was all I was
Speaker 1: using it. So I'm like, watch me be in this place,
Speaker 1: watch me be with these people. And I was like,
Speaker 1: this is from my fucking ego and it's like the
Speaker 1: most temporary fleeting ship. And I was like, this isn't
Speaker 1: really giving me anything of substance, but I enjoy like
Speaker 1: seeing other people do things. And I try and put
Speaker 1: myself in the bracket of like a social media user
Speaker 1: who like knows their own limits with how it can
Speaker 1: affect them and tries to like healthily navigate that. Then
Speaker 1: you have people who are completely off of it, and
Speaker 1: I think you also have people who are completely immersed
Speaker 1: in it and might not actually be seeing what it's
Speaker 1: what's happening to them, because self awareness doesn't come easily
Speaker 1: or cheaply, and a lot, especially not now, and especially
Speaker 1: when you're in the you know, grips of the most
Speaker 1: powerful marketing tool in the history of the human civilization.
Speaker 1: Right that that makes self awareness pretty pretty hard to
Speaker 1: come by, right, And that's why I think I try
Speaker 1: and like find the positives in it, and like what
Speaker 1: you're talking about, Matt, too is like connecting to people,
Speaker 1: like being able to disseminate ideas that are positive and
Speaker 1: things like that, versus I still I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: better curating my Twitter as well, Like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: sort of on follow or even block any and the
Speaker 1: thing that isn't just someone who shares interesting stories or
Speaker 1: someone who shares funny jokes. Like just like trying. I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I'm not with limited success, but I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: out of the kind of like so he said this,
Speaker 1: and he said that, and like you say, and then
Speaker 1: I'm going to dive in and just you know, don't
Speaker 1: close someone to massage my ego just too, and then
Speaker 1: they get angry and then like it's it's not a
Speaker 1: healthy way to be, not at all. And I think
Speaker 1: it's important to note to like, right, like you're gonna
Speaker 1: we get so worked up by a fucking plastic rectangle
Speaker 1: with glass on it, Yeah, we're not. If we put
Speaker 1: that down, we can experience like more you know, substantive
Speaker 1: deeper relationships with people and even strangers on the street.
Speaker 1: But like we let's not get carried away. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean I I tried. I high five strangers all the time.
Speaker 1: A lot of times I get left hanging. But well,
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, it's realizing
Speaker 1: how much we're surrendering to like this, which which essentially
Speaker 1: is a device too, I think is another was an
Speaker 1: easier way for me to sort of contextualize what my
Speaker 1: relationship is it is to this. It's like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: giving an outsized portion of my consciousness, my attention to
Speaker 1: this like allusion that I have on my phone, when
Speaker 1: I could be spending that time to just sort of
Speaker 1: be more present and to be more mindful and things
Speaker 1: that will help me, you know, actually navigate the chaos
Speaker 1: of our world than feeling inadequate constantly or not having
Speaker 1: the latest graphic jumper set. Yeah, I would just say
Speaker 1: the only piece of media you really need is this podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's don't worry about any anything else. You
Speaker 1: just need to listen to us twice a day. And
Speaker 1: uh yeah, and you're good, Matt. Truly a pleasure having
Speaker 1: you on the daily zeitgeists. Where can people find you
Speaker 1: and follow you? Well? Thanks? Yeah, it's being a joy.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me again. So yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: Twitter at Matt Kushion or Instagram, I wish I'm technically
Speaker 1: on Matt Underscore Cushion. And then probably Science is my podcast.
Speaker 1: We go through the weekend science news with comedians, so
Speaker 1: probably Science on any all of the various podcast apps.
Speaker 1: How you feeling the web? The web pictures and what
Speaker 1: we're getting back from the web telescope. It's exciting. I
Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, I mean it's it's pretty cool. There
Speaker 1: was that worry that it might have been damaged a
Speaker 1: bit more than they first thought by micro meteorites, but
Speaker 1: looks like it's still giving some pretty amazing things. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's very cool. Is there a tweet or some
Speaker 1: other work of social media you've been enjoying this is
Speaker 1: uh yeah, this is this is so dumb. But this
Speaker 1: is just a really stupid video. But it really made
Speaker 1: me laugh. For this comic Matt Heighten, who does various
Speaker 1: video he's just superimposed Riscie Sunach, who is one of
Speaker 1: the two people who may or may not be the
Speaker 1: next British Prime Minister into an episode of Eastend as well.
Speaker 1: He is doing a very bad job of pouring a
Speaker 1: point on a public meeting. Great junket. It's a it's
Speaker 1: really silly, it's really simple, and I love it. It's
Speaker 1: it's Riscie Sunac, politician trying to do the thing where
Speaker 1: he goes meets the public and looks natural and for
Speaker 1: some in Britain, by the way, this is just I
Speaker 1: don't think they do this in America. It's just a
Speaker 1: thing in Britain where politicians, you know, in American they
Speaker 1: might go and like eat a sandwich in a cafe
Speaker 1: or something like that, have a hot dog at the
Speaker 1: exactly and one of the things they have to do
Speaker 1: on that note if you're a British politician is stand
Speaker 1: behind a pub and pull a pint. And that's just
Speaker 1: a thing. And Rishi Sunach, who, by the way, I
Speaker 1: believe as teetotal and certainly looks out of place in
Speaker 1: any kind of pub setting, but he chose this as
Speaker 1: his place to do with the press. Junket is doing
Speaker 1: an incredibly bad and slow job of pulling a pint,
Speaker 1: and he's just inter cut it with the soap opera
Speaker 1: EastEnders with people standing in a pub looking furious at him,
Speaker 1: and and yeah, I'll give you the link. It's it's
Speaker 1: a delight, it's it's simple, it's stupid. It made me
Speaker 1: laugh ound out. I always love those like cultural things
Speaker 1: where like a politician like it's like you didn't fucking
Speaker 1: kiss a baby, you didn't go to the fair to
Speaker 1: eat a corn dog, you fucking commune, And I like you,
Speaker 1: just like you didn't fucking pour a pint at the pub.
Speaker 1: Yeah you did it. You did pour a pint, but
Speaker 1: you did it slowly. It's like a while, Miles, where
Speaker 1: can people find you? What is the tweet you've been enjoying? Uh,
Speaker 1: let's see. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram
Speaker 1: at Miles of Gray. Check out the latest episode of
Speaker 1: Miles and Jack Got Mad boost these Uh yeah, fantastic,
Speaker 1: fantastic episode with Jasmine Watkins. Also check out if you
Speaker 1: like fiance, Well why don't you check it out with me?
Speaker 1: On four twenty day fiance with Sophia Alexandra the let's
Speaker 1: see a couple of tweets out Like first one just
Speaker 1: feels so accurate to all the sneakers and sneaker heads
Speaker 1: out there. Camp arm Eric at Eric J underscore D
Speaker 1: tweeted Nike's current business model is Hey, remember the ship
Speaker 1: your parents wouldn't buy you when you were twelve? Well
Speaker 1: here it is. We doubled the price, but you have
Speaker 1: your own credit card now. Uh yeah, that's feels about
Speaker 1: fucking accurate for me because I think as a kid,
Speaker 1: when I whenever I wanted more than one pair of sneakers,
Speaker 1: like a year, like for the school, your mom's like,
Speaker 1: that's why you get a job, And that's why now
Speaker 1: I have. That's how I justify all my sneakers. But
Speaker 1: I'm trying to try. I'm quitting. I'm quitting. Another one
Speaker 1: is from at Molly Lambert. The Great Molly Lambert tweeted
Speaker 1: A cool thing I do now is when the Internet
Speaker 1: isn't loading fast enough, I say, come on, Jack to
Speaker 1: it in the Joe Biden voice, and you know there's
Speaker 1: nothing better hitting up with a good old Biden Jack.
Speaker 1: How you open pdf? Jack? Was that the quote from them,
Speaker 1: how do you Open pdf? Jack? And I was. You
Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien and
Speaker 1: on mad Boost these with Miles Gray. That shows really fun.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of fun doing that show. Very stupid.
Speaker 1: Go for the stupidity, stay for the fuego basketball take.
Speaker 1: I just really like the shirts that go hard Twitter recently,
Speaker 1: like one it was just a black shirt with white
Speaker 1: writing that said Elvis is dead, Sinatra is dead, and
Speaker 1: me I feel also not so good. Then there was
Speaker 1: another one that was similar, designed single and ready to
Speaker 1: get nervous around anyone I find attractive. You can find
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Speaker 1: a song that we think you might enjoy. A song
Speaker 1: do we think people might enjoy? Oh man, I mean
Speaker 1: we were just talking about pet Sounds, right, one of
Speaker 1: the fucking greatest albums of a well here, yeah, well
Speaker 1: funk that we're actually gonna go out on this artist
Speaker 1: called Not the Two's who I believe his rich what's
Speaker 1: his real name? Something Maxie, And I don't want to
Speaker 1: say the basketball there Tim Maxie. I know it was
Speaker 1: a team Maxi, but I didn't want to go the
Speaker 1: wrong way to exactly because like I would forget you
Speaker 1: can call Therese Maxie, Tim Maxim Maxie, I know. And
Speaker 1: I was about to cat Tim Maxi Tyrese Maxi, but
Speaker 1: he okay, So he started. He's a producer and collaborated
Speaker 1: with Kendrick Lamorrow Mr Brown Big Steppers, and you've probably
Speaker 1: heard exactly Unified in Grief and basically like a theme
Speaker 1: throughout the entire album. He's he's about to put out
Speaker 1: some solo work under the name Not the Twos and
Speaker 1: this track is called Paradise and if you you will
Speaker 1: recognize the vocals very quickly. But he does it in
Speaker 1: a very like his own way. He's like a multi
Speaker 1: instrumentalist producer, and it's got this like kind of like
Speaker 1: I get almost if if the Manson Family band had
Speaker 1: like fucking swag, they might sound like this. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: check this out. This one's called Paradise by Not the
Speaker 1: Twos had some much children ghosts in the in the
Speaker 1: vocal arrangement and just like spooky drums the beaver. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it's really it's a really dope track and I'm looking
Speaker 1: very much forward to the rest of the work from
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