Speaker 1: Guess what, We're back in the NBA party train keeps
Speaker 1: moving exactly. You thought we wouldn't be back, but guess what,
Speaker 1: we would never make it to episode nineteen. But yes,
Speaker 1: let's not digress. We are going to check in on
Speaker 1: the latest rumors with Russell Westbrook, maybe a career change
Speaker 1: for Dwight Howard. We'll also talk about what's going on
Speaker 1: with Lebron Draymond, Colin Sexton, and probably get through our
Speaker 1: mad boost these winner of the Dunk of the season,
Speaker 1: because it is Dunk week for the m b A
Speaker 1: and who better to do it with than today's guest.
Speaker 1: We have sp Nations NBA editor Harrison Fagan. I'm Miles
Speaker 1: Gray and I'm Jack O'Brien and this is my mad Boost. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that was pretty yeah, I'm like perfectly on wild
Speaker 1: like what we had a mind meld at that moment. Okay, Welcome, welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 1: We got Harrison Fagan in the building. Harrison, welcome to
Speaker 1: Miles and Jack got mad boosts. How you doing, I'm
Speaker 1: doing well, Thank you guys for having me. I gotta
Speaker 1: say that was weirdly specific trash talk at the beginning
Speaker 1: for someone to say that you wouldn't make it to
Speaker 1: episode nineteen. Like like if somebody would have said, like,
Speaker 1: you guys won't make it twenty episodes, that would have
Speaker 1: been you know, like more boiler play. They really got
Speaker 1: specific on you. They're like, no, no, no, there's no
Speaker 1: way you guys can put up with for more than
Speaker 1: eighteen episodes. You know, what can I say? It's just
Speaker 1: a mother's intuition. Um, that's that she constantly. Yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 1: if that's what you're feeling, mom, maybe she's like you're lucky.
Speaker 1: It's like, why are you talking like that? Like you're
Speaker 1: an old gumshoot film. But yeah, you played her the
Speaker 1: first episode and she said, I give it eighteen episodes.
Speaker 1: You showed her though, you know I did, and I'm here.
Speaker 1: But Harrison, Uh, first identify yourself. You're a longtime NBA fan.
Speaker 1: Is there a specific team that you've kept drying on
Speaker 1: over the years. Yeah? So, I mean, I think anybody
Speaker 1: who's even a little bit aware of my work, like
Speaker 1: you probably know that, you know, it's definitely it's been
Speaker 1: Lakers for me for the Yeah. I grew up you know,
Speaker 1: in Orange County, about an hour south of Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: fell in love with the Shack and Kobe Lakers. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, never thought that I would do this as
Speaker 1: a career. I was actually in community college studying psychology.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a teacher. Ended up just like,
Speaker 1: it's getting to the point where I was doing research
Speaker 1: methods and stats and I was just like, this is
Speaker 1: too much math for me. It's time to become an
Speaker 1: NBA sportswriter who has to look up like NBA dot
Speaker 1: com stuff all the time. That's about the level of
Speaker 1: math that I can do. Uh, And I found a niche.
Speaker 1: I just kept blogging, and then eventually, yeah, now I'm
Speaker 1: here and I covered the Lakers since uh, like I
Speaker 1: want to say, and then until uh, this spring, I
Speaker 1: was promoted to eSPI Nation NBA editorial manager. So now
Speaker 1: I see all of our dirty team sites and I
Speaker 1: have to pretend that I like all of the teams equally.
Speaker 1: That's not true, but I have to pretend it legally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're a professional, you can. You know how to keep
Speaker 1: a job. I think that's what's important for Yeah, exactly
Speaker 1: what team is the hardest to pretend that they're equals
Speaker 1: for you, It's it's who we think it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's definitely the Minnesota timber Wolves. It's yeah, it's the Celtics,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, yeah, I mean that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of true for me too. I'm not I'm not a
Speaker 1: big Celtics fan. That's probably the team I have the
Speaker 1: hardest time rooting for. I'm not gonna say a root
Speaker 1: against them. I'm gonna say I have the hardest time
Speaker 1: rooting for them, because I love the phrase it. I
Speaker 1: root for all of them, you know, equally, except the Celtics.
Speaker 1: It's really hard, but exactly. Yeah, You're you're sort of
Speaker 1: like Lucile Bluth, where you're like, I love all of
Speaker 1: my children equally, and you're like, I don't care for
Speaker 1: job exactly like when you cut away to the end
Speaker 1: the confessional, right, I don't care. Yeah, Otherwise, you know, publicly,
Speaker 1: I love them, but I'll be honest with you, guys,
Speaker 1: this isn't going out anywhere. No, no, no, you know,
Speaker 1: if my mom's predictions are accurate, absolutely, Uh so, you know,
Speaker 1: considering your proximity to the Lakers and and just checking
Speaker 1: on things over there, uh Westbrook, Russell, Westbrook, Wait, I
Speaker 1: do I do just want to say up top, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about Bill Russell's passing and career and
Speaker 1: his amazing you know, I'm actually gonna bring my dad in.
Speaker 1: I actually interviewed my dad for eight minutes. Uh he
Speaker 1: he used to coach the Celtics. So we are because
Speaker 1: I think this first segment is going to be very
Speaker 1: uh Lakers centric, Like we're we're going to be working
Speaker 1: inside the mind palace of a Lakers fan as we
Speaker 1: talked through these trades. I think I think that you
Speaker 1: need to orient yourself. So don't don't worry Celtics fans
Speaker 1: or just NBA fans who aren't exclusively Lakers fans. Just
Speaker 1: you should know it's a that it'll be over soon
Speaker 1: and we'll we'll be able to move move on. But
Speaker 1: we we do have to talk about these supposed Westbrook
Speaker 1: trades that have suddenly become uh possibilities. I'm curious, Harrison,
Speaker 1: what's your take? And according to s I, the Jazz,
Speaker 1: Nicks and Pacers have expressed interest and potentially working at
Speaker 1: a deal that involves taking Westbrook and his contract. Now
Speaker 1: do you think at this stage teams are looking to
Speaker 1: add Russ, you know, just as an expiring deal to
Speaker 1: buy out or you think either of those teams actually
Speaker 1: might be considering having him play out the contract. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I I think pretty much at this point he's probably
Speaker 1: seen as like a guy that you would buy out
Speaker 1: because you have to pay him anyway, you get a
Speaker 1: little bit of savings on the back end because he
Speaker 1: works out his you know, as we see with all
Speaker 1: these buyouts around the league, guys like they have their
Speaker 1: agents figure out what they can get from other teams.
Speaker 1: They work out a buy out for like around that
Speaker 1: much less the current teams some money, you know, lets
Speaker 1: them recoup their amount of money while picking their next destination.
Speaker 1: That is my guess of what will happen with the
Speaker 1: Westbrook saga. I don't think that, Like, like the Jazz,
Speaker 1: you are clearly kind of getting set to go in
Speaker 1: the tank for this upcoming draft. After trading Rudy Gobert,
Speaker 1: They're going to trade Donovan Mitchell. Like, I don't think
Speaker 1: that they want Russell Westbrook like helping them sneak in
Speaker 1: a few extra wins while they try to develop these
Speaker 1: young guys whatever, like trying to recoup his own value. Like,
Speaker 1: I just don't see that as something that's happening. Just
Speaker 1: as an example of one of those teams. So I
Speaker 1: do think that it's more of like these teams are
Speaker 1: going to trade for him. If they do, it's going
Speaker 1: to be to get off of long term money and
Speaker 1: a lot give the Lakers some players that maybe aren't
Speaker 1: on their timeline but can help the Lakers win. Now
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more than Westbrook Camp. Right, So
Speaker 1: who are the who are the Lakers like looking at
Speaker 1: in such a scenario. Are they just getting out of
Speaker 1: the deal, or like, do the Jazz have something to
Speaker 1: offer the Lakers? I don't. I am admittedly allergic to
Speaker 1: the trade machine, so I actually don't know how any
Speaker 1: of this. Where are they in such a scenario or
Speaker 1: the Lakers getting something back? Yeah, So my guests would
Speaker 1: be that if the Jazz were involved, it would probably
Speaker 1: be as like a third team to take Westbrook and
Speaker 1: like send something to you know, the team that the
Speaker 1: Lakers want guys from, or something like that. The Pacers,
Speaker 1: you know, also might be a third team or just
Speaker 1: a straight up team. You know, if they're getting like
Speaker 1: Miles Turner and Buddy Healed back, you know, something like that,
Speaker 1: maybe the Jazz and facilitates a third team there, or
Speaker 1: you know that maybe they could work with the Pacers
Speaker 1: straight up, or work with Brooklyn straight up, or work
Speaker 1: the Jazz in as a third team that you know,
Speaker 1: the Nicks probably wouldn't be a third team for the Nets,
Speaker 1: but they might be some sort of like facilitation team
Speaker 1: with this cap space that they have if they can't
Speaker 1: get work out of Donovan Mitchell trade. Like there's a
Speaker 1: variety of ways that that could go. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, with the Jazz specifically, they would
Speaker 1: probably being looped in as a third team. And the Lakers,
Speaker 1: you know, they as far as what they want, like,
Speaker 1: I think they do want to get off of Russ
Speaker 1: and you know, not have to pay that gigantic salary
Speaker 1: and not just have him around. Like that's pretty clearly
Speaker 1: from everything that we've seen this summer and everything that
Speaker 1: we saw at his exit interview and you know, like
Speaker 1: the entirety of last season, that is not a feasible
Speaker 1: option for the Lakers to have him on their roster.
Speaker 1: And I think that right now, the reason that you
Speaker 1: haven't seen a trade yet is all of these other
Speaker 1: teams know that and know that the Lakers need to
Speaker 1: get off of his deal, and so are saying, give
Speaker 1: us everything you have because you can't possibly take this
Speaker 1: guy into camp, and the Lakers are like, well maybe
Speaker 1: we can. You should stop us, uh and like sort
Speaker 1: of projecting this, Oh no, we're just gonna run it back.
Speaker 1: It's fine that Darvin Ham. Darvin Ham is gonna make
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook into like the three and D point guard
Speaker 1: that we need to put around Lebron James and Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1: And so I think the Lakers are holding out hoping
Speaker 1: that they can get Kyrie after all. This Kadi stuff
Speaker 1: kind of shakes out, because that's clearly the option that
Speaker 1: Lebron wants. But you know, also looking at options, like
Speaker 1: you know, you see the Hornets as a team with
Speaker 1: like maybe Gordon Hayward if they're ready to get off
Speaker 1: of him and his kind of long term money. You
Speaker 1: look at Miles Turner and Buddy Healed, who are both like,
Speaker 1: you know, probably not in the Pacers plans beyond this year,
Speaker 1: and but hells like a little bit probably overpaid for
Speaker 1: what he meant for what he provides, and not like
Speaker 1: the greatest contract longer term than Westbrooks. So you're saving
Speaker 1: the pace or some money there. These are kind of
Speaker 1: the motivations that you know, you're looking for when you're
Speaker 1: trying to find a Westbrook landing spot. Is like these
Speaker 1: veterans that are making a decent amount of money for
Speaker 1: teams that are probably trying to rebuild and might just
Speaker 1: would maybe they'd rather have a Lakers first or two
Speaker 1: Lakers first, or whatever it may be. So, as Lakers fans,
Speaker 1: who what are the sugar plums dancinging you guys? Is
Speaker 1: it is it Kyrie? Is it Donovan? What? What are you?
Speaker 1: What are you hoping? Yeah? I mean, obviously I think
Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell would be someone that Lakers fans would love,
Speaker 1: but I don't see that happening. They don't have like
Speaker 1: the assets to outbid the Knicks for him. So I
Speaker 1: think it would be you know, it's definitely Kyrie. I
Speaker 1: think is at the top of the majority wish list,
Speaker 1: just because he you know, for his problems, you know,
Speaker 1: like being uh not really being available via health or
Speaker 1: via personal choice, uh, you know, and not wanting to
Speaker 1: you know, shot up and not necessarily always wanting to
Speaker 1: play basketball. You know, he is a much much better
Speaker 1: on court fit with Lebron and Anthony Davis than Russell
Speaker 1: Westbrook is. And so as kind of mercurial is he
Speaker 1: might be. He is someone that I think is high
Speaker 1: up on Lakers fans wish list, just because he provides
Speaker 1: the type of skill set that you can you can
Speaker 1: squint and look at that team and talk yourself into Okay,
Speaker 1: they are a contender. They're probably not the favorite, but
Speaker 1: they're contender now just because they have these three guys
Speaker 1: that are so good and fit so well together and
Speaker 1: hopefully they're all healthy at the right time in the
Speaker 1: playoffs and they can kind of make it through a run.
Speaker 1: It's the squinting that's the problem with us, though. We
Speaker 1: squint a lot and get back to contention. As if
Speaker 1: you squint a little bit, like none of these trades
Speaker 1: get them back into like oh man, they're the big
Speaker 1: faith immediately or something like that. Like it's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could you know, I could kind of see that
Speaker 1: working out. They got some pieces that kind of maybe
Speaker 1: fit and if everybody stays healthy, yeah, right for sure.
Speaker 1: Um well, let's move on to some just some more
Speaker 1: serious news. Bill Russell passed away over the weekend. The
Speaker 1: eleven time champion Hall of Famer passed away at the
Speaker 1: age of eight. I hadn't realized. So there's so many
Speaker 1: great articles written kind of eulogizing him and talk about
Speaker 1: his career. I hadn't realized the Celtics didn't even make
Speaker 1: it to the finals until he was on the Celtics
Speaker 1: and then they, you know, eleven time winners. But like
Speaker 1: that's for some reason I had in my mind that
Speaker 1: like the Celtics dominance was in some way not like
Speaker 1: brought by him and it was not existing. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: he they hadn't even made the final. You thought it
Speaker 1: was pre existing greatness prior, right, Yeah, it's so that
Speaker 1: that was just one of the details that I feel
Speaker 1: like I had wrong. Um. But yeah, so I'm on
Speaker 1: vacation right now. You might hear a little bit more
Speaker 1: laid back, distracted Jack coming to you. Um, with my
Speaker 1: family and when Bill Russell passed. My dad, who used
Speaker 1: to coach the Celtics, was like the day that I
Speaker 1: resigned as Celtics coach, Bill Russell called me and I
Speaker 1: talked to him for like two hours, which is uh,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever talked to anyone for two
Speaker 1: hours on the phone. Um. I was like, how are
Speaker 1: you just telling me this right now? So I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to my dad about this. I actually hadn't
Speaker 1: even thought to do that. Sup. Producer Jabari was like
Speaker 1: maybe for your NBA podcast that you was like, would
Speaker 1: know the Celtics, right, Okay, I would, saying. My big
Speaker 1: takeaway is it's weird to interview your father. Uh. First
Speaker 1: of all, because I had his Wikipedia page up in
Speaker 1: front of me while I was interviewing him, Like I
Speaker 1: wanted to get the date of the seasons he was
Speaker 1: coaching the Celtics, right. I also couldn't remember if it
Speaker 1: was Jim O'Brien or o'riyan. I didn't get that wrong,
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, I I just checked a date,
Speaker 1: but then I left it up during the interview, which
Speaker 1: is right, Which is just would have been embarrassing if
Speaker 1: it was anyone else. But um, I just asked him
Speaker 1: a couple of anecdotes from his time just getting to
Speaker 1: know Bill Russell. So we can play that clip. But
Speaker 1: before we do anything, that jumped out to you guys
Speaker 1: from the articles that were written about him. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: the undefeated in elimination games. That was like astounding, you know,
Speaker 1: like we talked about clutch guys and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and like who's the most clutch player in NBA history.
Speaker 1: That might be like one of the most incredible clutch
Speaker 1: stats I have ever heard. Now Again, like his team
Speaker 1: and probably a lot of those situations was like the
Speaker 1: better one and had went to a game seven, but
Speaker 1: still like to never lose a game seven or like
Speaker 1: any sort of elimination game in any tournament at any
Speaker 1: level of basketball is like that's insane, Miles, any anything
Speaker 1: you want to Bill Russell is like one of those guys.
Speaker 1: Right when I was younger, I didn't know about him
Speaker 1: until the fiftieth anniversary of the league. I mean I
Speaker 1: didn't really bother to know about him until the fiftieth
Speaker 1: anniversary of the league. And I remember that was like
Speaker 1: a huge significant turning point from my like knowledge about
Speaker 1: basketball like NBA history in general. Um. And when I looked,
Speaker 1: I was almost like like angry that he was so
Speaker 1: good and was even like a like a player coach
Speaker 1: and like basically had done everything. I didn't realize he
Speaker 1: was the first African American to even coach a professional team. Uh.
Speaker 1: And he like he's done so much on and off
Speaker 1: the court. Uh. And I just look at the way
Speaker 1: his influence you know, still effects like players that we
Speaker 1: see in the league today and how much the players
Speaker 1: that we see who are like advocating for you know,
Speaker 1: like a better just society or future, Like you're essentially
Speaker 1: modeling Bill Russell, like whether you know it or not. Uh,
Speaker 1: And I think you know it's it's we're very lucky
Speaker 1: to have like these sort of gigantic figures like that
Speaker 1: who were absolute legends in every single dimension of their being.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a it's a tremendous loss. And I
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, you know, you gotta give
Speaker 1: you gotta give respect where it's do And there's no
Speaker 1: way you could look at Bill Russell and say anything
Speaker 1: but this man is excellence personified. Yeah, and that he
Speaker 1: was doing all that stuff at a time when it
Speaker 1: was much less popular than it is today. Like some
Speaker 1: of those stories about what he and his family, I
Speaker 1: mean he signed with the Celtics two years after Brown v.
Speaker 1: Board of Education was decided. Yeah, Like that's his proximity
Speaker 1: to all of the you know, societal changes that we're
Speaker 1: going on at that time. So something that our culture
Speaker 1: is kind of memory hold is the Boston bussing riots,
Speaker 1: but that was like the seventies. That's something everybody should
Speaker 1: go look up read about because it's yeah that that
Speaker 1: was that was much later than I think our culture
Speaker 1: assumed these sorts of things were happening. But yeah, all
Speaker 1: of this stuff is more recent than you re a
Speaker 1: lot like I think that then we think about frequently
Speaker 1: in terms of like I was reading, uh one of
Speaker 1: the remembrances from Tom Zeller, who publishes his own newsletter,
Speaker 1: good Morning, It's Basketball. You know, he had one where
Speaker 1: he was talking about, you know, back during his playing career,
Speaker 1: like the civil rights leader I'm forgetting the name, asked
Speaker 1: Bill Russell to come down to the South and basically
Speaker 1: put on an integrated basketball camp. And he had that
Speaker 1: he you know, he had no like obligation to come
Speaker 1: down and do this, and was still like went down.
Speaker 1: Had to have security because the KKK was assembling across
Speaker 1: the street from this basketball camp to try and intimidate
Speaker 1: people out of going to it, and he still went.
Speaker 1: And there was like someone every night when he slept
Speaker 1: in this undersized hotel bed, there was somebody sitting next
Speaker 1: to him with a rifle as the last line of
Speaker 1: defense to defend him. And like this is how much
Speaker 1: of the sky was willing to put it on the
Speaker 1: line to try and like advocate for his principles and
Speaker 1: just like an incredible, incredible human being. Yeah, alright, let's
Speaker 1: throw to a break. We'll come back. We'll go right
Speaker 1: into me talking my dad and then we'll come out
Speaker 1: of that a few last words about Bill Russell and
Speaker 1: then we'll we'll be right back. Alright, Dad, so going, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's gone great. Thanks for having me. I've never recorded
Speaker 1: you on Mike before. I've never interviewed my dad, so
Speaker 1: this is exciting. So you're the head coach of the
Speaker 1: Boston Celtics from two thousand one to two thousand four.
Speaker 1: It took them to the Eastern Conference Finals. Um, I
Speaker 1: think you know this, but just setting the scene for people.
Speaker 1: You're also head coach at your hometown six Ers oh
Speaker 1: four oh five season with Alan Iverson near the height
Speaker 1: of his powers, took them to the playoffs coach the
Speaker 1: Pacers from oh seven ton. But I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: to you about something that I heard you say the
Speaker 1: other day that I I had not known this, but
Speaker 1: when you resigned from the Celtics in the O four season,
Speaker 1: you said that Bill Russell called you that day and
Speaker 1: you guys talked for a couple hours. Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: a great conversation with Russ the former Celtics. Uh, you
Speaker 1: know Bill Russell, Kuzy Hinson, all these guys were very
Speaker 1: very generous with her time. And I had gotten to
Speaker 1: know Bill Russell over the years that I was there
Speaker 1: with the Celtics, and he was always very generous with
Speaker 1: his time and his advice and uh, funny, funny guy.
Speaker 1: And we had a great conversation. And some of the
Speaker 1: things I remember about that conversation where that he would
Speaker 1: adjust whatever he had to do to um give the
Speaker 1: Celtics what they needed on any given year. So instance,
Speaker 1: when they had Casey Jones at the point guard spot.
Speaker 1: He was a great defensive player, uh, not so much
Speaker 1: a great offensive player. So Russell decided he just needed
Speaker 1: to score more points that particular year to give them
Speaker 1: the best chance to win the championship. And when Kuzy
Speaker 1: was the point guard. A funny story that Russell had
Speaker 1: told me, uh was he grabbed Couzy early on and
Speaker 1: he said, you know, Bob your great ball hander, but
Speaker 1: you just are horrible defense. Horrible defensively, he said, so
Speaker 1: you can't keep your your guy in front of you.
Speaker 1: So what I want you to do is make sure
Speaker 1: he beat you, which will do often uh to the
Speaker 1: offensive player's left hand, and as soon as he beat you,
Speaker 1: run to half court on the left side and I'll
Speaker 1: throw you the basketball. So which will we give you
Speaker 1: an idea of how uh what it's prowess was defensively? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was just you were saying the other day that
Speaker 1: he would just look at his roster and decide how
Speaker 1: many points he had to average that that season, which
Speaker 1: I think you know, it's almost like the least amount
Speaker 1: of scoring he could do to give his team the
Speaker 1: best chance at winning. And so, you know, the the
Speaker 1: one constant was how dominant he was defensively, and that's
Speaker 1: that's never nobody on your team or anywhere is every
Speaker 1: going to be grudual for being a great defensive player.
Speaker 1: But you know, he was a player coach, so getting
Speaker 1: everybody involved was was important to him. It sounds like,
Speaker 1: you know, people talk about Russ being uh, probably the
Speaker 1: greatest champion in the history of basketball. He may have
Speaker 1: been the best leader. You alluded to a couple of
Speaker 1: things about him deciding what was needed and be able
Speaker 1: to give it to him, But some of his teammates
Speaker 1: Cuisy and Hinson would tell me little anecdotes about about
Speaker 1: Russ and Uh, if they were going through a bad
Speaker 1: period of time in a game where they had lost
Speaker 1: one game, he would go into a huddle at the
Speaker 1: time out and look at the guys and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I clearly am screwing this up. Uh, you tell me
Speaker 1: what I need to do better. And it was a
Speaker 1: kind of a way of letting everybody else know that
Speaker 1: here was a guy that clearly wasn't screwing things up,
Speaker 1: that they were screwing it up, but he was taking
Speaker 1: the hit and um, uh he would do whatever it
Speaker 1: took to win basketball games, Like the buck stops with him.
Speaker 1: So even if he wasn't the one screwing it up,
Speaker 1: like he's like, you know, it's on me, It's on
Speaker 1: my shoulders. So you grew up a sixer Stan as
Speaker 1: they repeatedly got trounced by the Celtics, right, I not
Speaker 1: necessarily trounced, but they would beat us every year when
Speaker 1: it mattered. Right, Um, what does like what what was
Speaker 1: it like for you at this like kind of pivotal
Speaker 1: point in your career too? I mean, did did you
Speaker 1: ever like was it just ever surreal for you, because
Speaker 1: I mean Russell, I I didn't realized that Celtics never
Speaker 1: made the finals before Russell got there, so like he
Speaker 1: really was the Celtics dynasty. And now here you are
Speaker 1: years later, you're coaching the Celtics and you know, just
Speaker 1: end your your tenure there and here's the guy who
Speaker 1: was such a huge part of that dynasty calling you.
Speaker 1: Was that that surreal? Was that kind of a weird
Speaker 1: momentary you just kind of in the moment and don't
Speaker 1: notice that sort of thing. Well, I had gotten to
Speaker 1: know him pretty well, you know a couple of things
Speaker 1: as far as going from Philadelphia, growing up, loving Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: and having my heart broken seemingly every year. Uh. When
Speaker 1: they had the press conference who announced Rick Patino as
Speaker 1: a head coach, I was going to be as associate coach.
Speaker 1: I happened to sit be sitting next to the red
Speaker 1: hour back, who was you know, we're indoors and he's
Speaker 1: smoking to speak stokey, as was his habit, and Uh,
Speaker 1: I said to him, I said, Red, you know you
Speaker 1: broke my heart and you you taught me how to
Speaker 1: cry about basqueball And he turned and he blew a
Speaker 1: big puff of smoke into my face. It goes, Is
Speaker 1: that right? So? Uh, you know other things about Russ
Speaker 1: that I I found to be humorous. You know, there
Speaker 1: people had always talked about he would never go out
Speaker 1: and play a basketball game, uh, without first throwing up.
Speaker 1: And you know, one time, our back is you know,
Speaker 1: relaying a story to me saying that he's ready to,
Speaker 1: you know, send a team out. He's he hasn't even
Speaker 1: talked to the team, and everyone's waiting around and Red's
Speaker 1: not opening his mouth, and he says to Russ, Uh,
Speaker 1: we're waiting on you. Russ, you haven't you haven't puked yet,
Speaker 1: so you better get there. And then Russ a couple
Speaker 1: of years later, when you know, I was feeling the
Speaker 1: pressure of of coaching the Celtics and before the game,
Speaker 1: he said to me, you know what, you take this
Speaker 1: way too seriously. And I said, here's I'm talking to
Speaker 1: the guy that's telling me that, who had to throw
Speaker 1: up before every game. So it's kind of ironic that
Speaker 1: he would say that, did you ever try throwing up
Speaker 1: before the game? Just get get it out? You know,
Speaker 1: I was just out on the with with our brother
Speaker 1: in law. I think he could have could have used
Speaker 1: some of that, and just that's what the captain was saying.
Speaker 1: Get it out, get it over with um. Any other
Speaker 1: Russell stories, Bill Russell stories. You know Bill Russell. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody that had the opportunity to observe him on the
Speaker 1: basketball court knew how good he was defensively. But what
Speaker 1: few people know is that he would rarely practice. And
Speaker 1: he would rarely practice because, as Red hour Back would say,
Speaker 1: nobody could get a shot off on the other team
Speaker 1: when he was on the court. He was. He was
Speaker 1: that dominant and uh dominant on the court and just
Speaker 1: a iconic man off the court. And when he was
Speaker 1: playing in San Francisco, he told me a story I
Speaker 1: think the day that I resigned, that his college coach
Speaker 1: told him that he never wanted him to leave his
Speaker 1: feet uh to block a shot for whatever reason it
Speaker 1: was back in the old days. He wanted him to
Speaker 1: stay down and not get pump fake. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: Rush didn't listen to him that much at that one time,
Speaker 1: But we lost a great man, really one of the
Speaker 1: great That's funny. That's like one of the one of
Speaker 1: the things they tell you in in elementary school, never
Speaker 1: leave your sheet for for a pump fake and he's
Speaker 1: still bringing it off years later. All right, well, dad,
Speaker 1: Jim O'Brien, coach O'Brien, thanks so much for for talking
Speaker 1: to me. This was good. We'll have to do it
Speaker 1: again sometimes go forward to a son. Alright, So that
Speaker 1: was me talking to my dad, uh coach Jim O'Brien about,
Speaker 1: you know, his conversations with Bill Russell. Um, i'd say
Speaker 1: the you know, I had heard the thing that he
Speaker 1: threw up before every game. That's like one of the
Speaker 1: first things you hear in basketball, I think, especially if
Speaker 1: you're like a nervous person, they're like, no, I don't
Speaker 1: worry about they'll Russell used to throw up before every game.
Speaker 1: Totally normal. Yeah, I'd say the the anecdote that jumped
Speaker 1: out to me was that he it sounds like he
Speaker 1: scored as little as he possibly could while his teams
Speaker 1: would still win, which is just like I don't know
Speaker 1: that that is that makes sense of like his scoring
Speaker 1: kind of fluctuating, going up and down, and also just
Speaker 1: given what we know about like what actually makes a
Speaker 1: team win is like getting people involved offensively and people
Speaker 1: being willing to sacrifice to get other guys involved, and
Speaker 1: I feel like you almost couldn't have a career like
Speaker 1: that today because there's so much pressure from the media too,
Speaker 1: you know, every like box scores being scrutinized, and it
Speaker 1: takes a lot of i don't know, just selflessness and
Speaker 1: just single mindedly only caring about, you know, the final
Speaker 1: result of winning. I think I think Lebron kind of
Speaker 1: did that, uh in a in a lot of ways
Speaker 1: for a large part of his career um and he
Speaker 1: got a lot of pushback from people being like you
Speaker 1: you take the final shot if you're the best player
Speaker 1: on the team, and it's like that doesn't really makes sense.
Speaker 1: And I was gonna to even further contextualize it, like
Speaker 1: they didn't track blocks until either, like very late in
Speaker 1: his career. Afterwards, there were even less stats to kind
Speaker 1: of accumulate like while doing that approach like now nowadays,
Speaker 1: like someone could do that and theoretically be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well I blocked like three shots a game, Like my
Speaker 1: field goal percentage all out at the rim is really loud,
Speaker 1: like you can show their value. Like they didn't have
Speaker 1: any of that stuff back right, it was all anecdotal,
Speaker 1: and so he just did it like and you had
Speaker 1: to almost like look at his dominance by sheer word
Speaker 1: of mouth and I guess like rebounding statistics and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Like you know that there were the crazy
Speaker 1: stories about like the level of depth he saw the
Speaker 1: game in and that like he would you know, he
Speaker 1: would try and help his teams build up a lead
Speaker 1: against Wilt's teams and then just kind of let him
Speaker 1: score just enough so that he didn't start to like
Speaker 1: pick up on Bill's defensive tricks and he could i
Speaker 1: with them when he really needed to. It's just like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's the type of stuff that we on
Speaker 1: the outside never think about it on that level of
Speaker 1: like the stuff that these guys do in the mental
Speaker 1: games that they play. Uh, you know, just again like incredible,
Speaker 1: like that one of the highest basketball like he was
Speaker 1: we've probably ever seen, I think just in general, to
Speaker 1: have that kind of intelligence to think of like, well,
Speaker 1: if I reveal this too many times to my opponent,
Speaker 1: then it becomes mood in a way. I feel like,
Speaker 1: what is he? Like? The is Nathan Fielder the new
Speaker 1: Bill Russell? Like, yeah, don't a lot of flow chart
Speaker 1: on his laptop. He's like stuff, right, He's like Okay,
Speaker 1: we win the tip off, will get a couple of
Speaker 1: righty hook shots like I'm gonna be able to block
Speaker 1: it the next time. It's gonna be overconfident in it. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's pivot in the paint to NBA
Speaker 1: Dunk Week. Dan, Dan, it's done week? They did? They
Speaker 1: really pick? Is it shark? Is it also Shark week?
Speaker 1: They did? They did last week? Okay, so I think
Speaker 1: it's two weeks right around now, all right, I Shark
Speaker 1: Week is year round and in this household, but no,
Speaker 1: I think it was last week. I think it was
Speaker 1: last week. But when look, it's it's all Shark week
Speaker 1: to us. But more importantly, it is NBA Dunk Week,
Speaker 1: and we thought to celebrate we should probably go over
Speaker 1: some of the top dunks of the year, and in
Speaker 1: no particular order, just you know, we'll we'll play quick
Speaker 1: clips so you can hear the audio. Jack or Harrison,
Speaker 1: would either of you want to do with the color
Speaker 1: color play by play to describe the would love to Okay,
Speaker 1: let's say I'm not qualified for this, so yeah, you
Speaker 1: you go for it. So first we will talk about
Speaker 1: this is I mean like this isn't no protect I
Speaker 1: guess is it a particular Well, they are in the
Speaker 1: order that I would have put them in, except maybe
Speaker 1: I mean we well here, then, for the purpose of this,
Speaker 1: let's just say in no particular order, in no particular order,
Speaker 1: let's look at some of the contenders. Was put into
Speaker 1: this my float shirt and no pre planning done whatsoever
Speaker 1: or anything, no bits worked out, because that's not what
Speaker 1: kind of podcast this is. But let's talk about the
Speaker 1: first No. The first one is Anthony Edwards over Gabe Vincent.
Speaker 1: This is from I believe Novembers earlier on in the season.
Speaker 1: This only gets honorable mentioned because I think they called
Speaker 1: a foul which got it at a certain point. You
Speaker 1: might just need to oh oh no, oh yeah. This
Speaker 1: is the one that Nate Duncan was friending afterwards because
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, you know, I heard of the
Speaker 1: dun put off or something like that, Like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I could have done it. I see, I see
Speaker 1: what Nate's talking about. I could have done that. Um.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing. If you're a ref and you
Speaker 1: call a fowl on that, you should be suspended right
Speaker 1: for denying us. Just that just that kind of dunk.
Speaker 1: What gave Vincent does here is the equivalent of jumping
Speaker 1: on a hand grenade. Because Anthony Awards is a clearly
Speaker 1: into the basket. Vincent rotates all the way from the
Speaker 1: other side. He has the shooter in the corner in
Speaker 1: the opposite corner, gets in front of it, does take
Speaker 1: a charge, but I think gets there a little late
Speaker 1: because his feet aren't set before they're moving. His feet
Speaker 1: are moving as Anthony Edwards is already gliding through the air.
Speaker 1: But um, it's it's powerful. It is a work of beauty.
Speaker 1: Jumps from way too far away, gets to the rim
Speaker 1: and dunks it, which I guess can't fully be said
Speaker 1: about our next one, the m beat over Jared Allen,
Speaker 1: because I think he just like kind of throws it
Speaker 1: as hard as he can into the basket. I don't
Speaker 1: know this fingers actually ever touched the net. But um,
Speaker 1: I remember where I was when when this happened. Okay,
Speaker 1: set this up for us Jack late Thursday night, te
Speaker 1: you know this might have been when the Sixers fans
Speaker 1: were waiting for Harden to like. Harden was still hurt
Speaker 1: but had been traded already, and we you know, our
Speaker 1: hopes were the highest, uh, they'd be all season and
Speaker 1: bead ms is a free throw. We get the offensive
Speaker 1: board and then he takes two steps and his shoulders
Speaker 1: are above the rim as he just throws the ball
Speaker 1: downwards over Jared Allen. Um, he doesn't wear like sometimes
Speaker 1: the player who you're who is being dunked over looks
Speaker 1: like they stepped on a hand garnade. This is the
Speaker 1: railroad where in bead fly backwards when he dunks it
Speaker 1: with such force that it's his body can't believe what
Speaker 1: just happened. I mean, also, like Jared Allen's a sturdy man,
Speaker 1: you know, like all due respect to gave Vincent, but
Speaker 1: he's you know, a little stockier, a little larger. And
Speaker 1: then I liked these dunks like this because we so
Speaker 1: rarely see a guy throw it through the rim like that,
Speaker 1: with that level of kind of violence and flair. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean those are I have a soft spot for those.
Speaker 1: I do too, Uh, And that has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with the fact that I I'm a six or fan. No, No, objectively,
Speaker 1: it's great, all right, we can move past this one.
Speaker 1: This is Jaylen Brown dunking over something somebody. Uh, this
Speaker 1: is Dallas. I guess Dallas Boston kind of a nice
Speaker 1: crossover between the legs splits the splits the double teams
Speaker 1: Jaylen Brown and um, he dunks it over Clevea. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's you know, say, not that impressive. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not that impressive. It's you know, it is it. It's
Speaker 1: a guess, one of those ones where it's, you know,
Speaker 1: one v one, who's gonna who's gonna come out on top?
Speaker 1: But because he split the it is one v one
Speaker 1: because he split the a double team with a between
Speaker 1: legs dribble. That's about Jalen Brown is like people will
Speaker 1: talk about him not having a good handle, and then
Speaker 1: he will have a dribble move that is like what
Speaker 1: did he just black out there? If he's not a
Speaker 1: good dribbler, what what exactly is this? That's just him
Speaker 1: attacking the rim and I think, yeah, just one of
Speaker 1: he's he's doing what he needs to do. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like the fanciest move, but yeah, it's efficient
Speaker 1: in that he just you know, rendered those two defenders
Speaker 1: of great distance throws it down. Okay, what about another one.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people need to keep their
Speaker 1: eye on this. Russell Westbrook guy Okay, and I know
Speaker 1: we're talking about some teams that are interested. May I
Speaker 1: offer you this dunk over Rudy Gobert. Send this to
Speaker 1: the Pacers repeatedly. Look at this, you know, their bitches
Speaker 1: the top and just all by himself. Violence. But so
Speaker 1: I was gonna say earlier that the mbat over Jared
Speaker 1: Allen was the best defender that is getting uh you know,
Speaker 1: going up to meet the dunker at the rim. But
Speaker 1: I mean Bibert is all time great defender and Russ, uh,
Speaker 1: this is just violence. Yeah, what is he a? He's
Speaker 1: like a four time defensive Player of the Year three
Speaker 1: times something like that. You know, I think again, NBA
Speaker 1: teams might be undervaluing this guy. Russ just took him
Speaker 1: one on one and you're getting the steal of a
Speaker 1: deal here. Yeah, I mean they should be giving the
Speaker 1: Lakers first round picks for this that. Don't look up
Speaker 1: any other clips from last year, don't look up anything else.
Speaker 1: Just this clip. He does dunk from inside the circle
Speaker 1: at the free throw line like it is. Oh, it's impressive,
Speaker 1: it's shocking. Still an incredible athlete, He's not He's not
Speaker 1: like what he was, you know in his prime. He's
Speaker 1: still you know, there were moments like this last season
Speaker 1: where you can still see like he's still an amazing athlete.
Speaker 1: It's just not the greatest, you know, sometimes he was
Speaker 1: missing these dunfs. But yeah, it's a little difficult. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's move on to another one. I'd say these are
Speaker 1: the two. These are the two fightings I I could
Speaker 1: I could put these in either order at one or two. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is Andrew Wiggins dunking over Game three. We
Speaker 1: talked about this one. It's another one where someone decided
Speaker 1: to go straight up and may have regretted that decision
Speaker 1: from the then snaps it outside comes Wiggins. Wiggins. Now
Speaker 1: they did call a charge in the moment. I think
Speaker 1: just based on uh, it's not an of the fact
Speaker 1: that it seems like a I mean he does it
Speaker 1: is the face like as he's going by, but it's
Speaker 1: kind of like you don't want I don't know that
Speaker 1: you did it on purpose, also slowed down. I don't
Speaker 1: think I think it is Lucas selling it. Um. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: well we this. I remember the still image of this
Speaker 1: was like Luca actually like pulling a face and like cowering.
Speaker 1: It felt very like uh, you know, trying to have
Speaker 1: a big reaction to get the the official detention sort
Speaker 1: of thing. But a fantastic moment. I think that's that's
Speaker 1: considering the stakes too of like, you know, let's playoff
Speaker 1: game Yeah, and it is tells the story of the season,
Speaker 1: which is that Andrew Wiggins comes on and suddenly is
Speaker 1: playing like the best possible version of Andrew Wiggins. Luca,
Speaker 1: it's all the people that like doubted Andrew Wiggins. He's like,
Speaker 1: I am doubting that from this far and still dunk
Speaker 1: on me. Andrew Whins was like, no, I can when
Speaker 1: I try sometimes. So I think other podcasts might have
Speaker 1: that as the dunk of the year because the story
Speaker 1: of the year for them is who wins the title.
Speaker 1: The story of the year for me is, uh, this
Speaker 1: fellow jaw moran um and his dunk in Game five
Speaker 1: versus the Timberwolves round one. So not as momentous as
Speaker 1: the Wiggins dunk in terms of you know, playoff, you know,
Speaker 1: import but they're down thirteen at this point after he
Speaker 1: dunks this, he this is the game where he like
Speaker 1: just couldn't be stopped, right, he just Yeah, And it
Speaker 1: is also just one of the coolest things I've ever
Speaker 1: seen a human being do with a human body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this one's this one's clean up three leading
Speaker 1: in goes through four people and then and if you
Speaker 1: haven't seen this, it's like it's like an anime dunk
Speaker 1: or something more like I could see, Yeah, exactly, Like
Speaker 1: if you did this in an anime, like everything would
Speaker 1: black out. It would just be jaw and Beasley, and
Speaker 1: then you would see like streaks of light coming off
Speaker 1: his feet. He like elevates ten thousand feet into the
Speaker 1: air and then comes crashing back down, but basically like
Speaker 1: touches the ground again with the ball. He cocks his
Speaker 1: arm so far back and then you know, finishes it. Yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 1: I was gonna half jokingly like stand for the Westbrook
Speaker 1: one as the number one, you know, like he he
Speaker 1: deserves it. But yeah, you know, after watching the job
Speaker 1: one again, it's it's got to be. I think you
Speaker 1: guys are being a little too narrow minded. I think
Speaker 1: this Russell Westbrook guy again, if you are the Jazz,
Speaker 1: the Nicks, the Pacers, check this video. The Nets, the Nets,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's my it's got the mad boost. He's
Speaker 1: dunk of the season. Okay, it's gotta be worth something. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for playing along. You tell us
Speaker 1: if we missed a dunk. But I honestly I think
Speaker 1: that John morand dunk because do you think that John
Speaker 1: morand dunk is the moment when Tim Connolly was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta give up nineties seven first round picks for
Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert. He would have stopped that, you know, like,
Speaker 1: I can't watch this anymore. I need a large human
Speaker 1: near the rim. I mean that is gonna be harder
Speaker 1: to do on the Timberwolves this year unless you watch
Speaker 1: the Russ clip like three clip. But exactly right, I
Speaker 1: am starting to get excited about the Timberwolves this season.
Speaker 1: I am too. It's gonna be interesting. At the very post,
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how it works. I don't know
Speaker 1: that I'm like all the way on board what they're
Speaker 1: gonna be amazing yet, but I want to watch it.
Speaker 1: I like their teams doing something different. The three teams
Speaker 1: I'm most excited to watch this next season or the Grizzlies,
Speaker 1: the Timberwolves, and the Pelicans. And that wasn't the case
Speaker 1: five years ago. So that's that's kind of we're we're
Speaker 1: in a new league. I'm alright, let's take a quick
Speaker 1: break and we'll be right back to finish this thing
Speaker 1: out with the rapid fire questioning round. And we're back
Speaker 1: the rapid fire questioning round. The fastest way that we
Speaker 1: could think of to say that rapid fire question round
Speaker 1: of questioning with our guest, Harrison Fagan. If you guys
Speaker 1: just did that and like the name was longer than
Speaker 1: the actual segment, we would never do some round questioning.
Speaker 1: Should the Lakers fade? Westbrook, I'm like no, And then
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, that was all right. That was our
Speaker 1: rapid fire round of questions. WHOA all right? Man? But
Speaker 1: get ready because again, Harrison, like we say we'd like
Speaker 1: to ask our guests just respond reflectively. Now we change
Speaker 1: things up for this time. It's gonna be either or
Speaker 1: would you rather type situation, So just respond as quickly
Speaker 1: as you can to the questions that are put in
Speaker 1: front of you. That way, we can keep this rapid
Speaker 1: fire round of questions to a very short, concise and
Speaker 1: economical content package for the listener. Okay, start the clock,
Speaker 1: which at the beginning of the rapid fire round of
Speaker 1: question you want to go first. I'll go first. Let's
Speaker 1: do paper scissors. Okay, to one shot that we both? Okay,
Speaker 1: one to shoot? What do you all right? Here? One rock?
Speaker 1: Papers shoot? Shoot? Oh he scissored me timbers again? Okay,
Speaker 1: rock shoot shoot? You got me? Got it? And I
Speaker 1: didn't have the fortitude. Restart the clocks ready, Harrison? A
Speaker 1: note on that? Was the clock already going? Or do
Speaker 1: we need to restart the clock? Brian? Do I need
Speaker 1: to reclaim my time? I'm gonna reclaim my time. Good.
Speaker 1: I think we're good. Oh he said, we're good. Okay,
Speaker 1: fantastic jar superducer Jabari. Okay, here we go, start the clock,
Speaker 1: Start the clock, Harrison. Would you rather have they to
Speaker 1: dunk all over someone in anybody like Kemp, you know,
Speaker 1: over jaw style or sorry I screwed that up Kemp,
Speaker 1: I thought it was Kemp. Or let's well then, okay,
Speaker 1: we can still keep this in start the block, Harrison.
Speaker 1: Would you rather have the ability to dunk all over
Speaker 1: someone camp over list in style or have unlimited range? Definitely?
Speaker 1: I feel like the Dunks. Yeah. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's just because we just watched a bunch of dunks,
Speaker 1: but I think I think the dunk that I just
Speaker 1: feel like the dunk thing is cooler. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: really care about being like the best player ever. I
Speaker 1: just want to have like great highlights. Right, someone who
Speaker 1: the NBA has endorsed us having mad Boosti's I can
Speaker 1: say it's a little overrated. Man, That's that range is
Speaker 1: pretty cool. I've always loved being able to just you know,
Speaker 1: reach up and easily getting the bottom of the net
Speaker 1: whenever I wanted to. But uh, that that range would
Speaker 1: really come into handy unlimited range. You don't want to
Speaker 1: hand out umbrellas at the gym when I was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was never able to shoot, but I
Speaker 1: could touch rim and so you know, it just would
Speaker 1: be nice to be able to dunk on people. Okay, Harrison,
Speaker 1: you don't need to buy here. This is our podcast.
Speaker 1: And also this is a rapid fire question. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Speaking of dunks in honor of it officially being the
Speaker 1: league's official dunk week, would you rather have Janna's drop
Speaker 1: the hammer on you in the post or have Yeah
Speaker 1: Morants put you on a poster as he takes off
Speaker 1: from just inside the free throw line. Job. This is
Speaker 1: kind of like an erotic question. I like it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that too, Like which version? How dirty you
Speaker 1: want to get? So? Yeah, I just feel like if
Speaker 1: Janice does it at my size, I'm going through the
Speaker 1: stanchion so and probably bring myself John. It'll be embarrassing,
Speaker 1: but I probably won't die. Would you if you knew
Speaker 1: in the moment, would you make a face because you
Speaker 1: knew you're going to be on a poster to like
Speaker 1: also kind of get some shine. We're like, hey, you know, job,
Speaker 1: I've got that dunk, but Harrison's face It's kind of
Speaker 1: kind of makes the poster become a meme. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I probably. I mean, I am not that expressive
Speaker 1: of a person, and they were wife, but I feel
Speaker 1: like if that was happening, I probably wouldn't I would
Speaker 1: be Okay, has anyone ever that that might be like
Speaker 1: new ground to break while they're being dunked over, like
Speaker 1: made eye contact with the camera and made like yea,
Speaker 1: or like a Scorsese film where it's like you're probably
Speaker 1: wondering how I got here. I've got a note for
Speaker 1: the pearls of the world. Okay. They're like man like
Speaker 1: you know, boy again? Not again? Okay? Sorry? Jack? That
Speaker 1: was on you that time. We've got to keep it rapid, Uh, Harrison.
Speaker 1: Would you rather be able to attend the next three
Speaker 1: finals series or be able to go back in time
Speaker 1: to witness any single finals matchup? Uh? Probably the next three,
Speaker 1: just because I've already seen how the other ones go.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, you're not impressed by time travel. Huh Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm got you know, all I get to
Speaker 1: do is go watch the finals, you know, like, not
Speaker 1: like I can go back and well, I guess that's
Speaker 1: why I got to be clever about this question. It's
Speaker 1: not just about going to the finals. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: back and gamble on Lakers, you know, Celtics two games seven,
Speaker 1: and then you win enough money to get tickets and yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Harrison has one, uh the rapid fire. But
Speaker 1: we'll just do the rest of these to run it out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you got you got the right answer there.
Speaker 1: Would you rather have your team win through the next
Speaker 1: five titles and then have to into our ten years
Speaker 1: of futility where you don't even make the playoffs, or
Speaker 1: would you rather have your team win one title and
Speaker 1: have a really competitive team that falls just short for
Speaker 1: the next decade deep runs, no cigar. You know, my
Speaker 1: specific era of Lakers basketball has definitely prepared me for
Speaker 1: the first one. So yeah, I'm saying the first one
Speaker 1: all the way. Yeah, I'm like, I'm ready for a
Speaker 1: team that's really good for like even just like one
Speaker 1: year and then like sucks for ten just hypothetically, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean the Randy Fundiers. I was living
Speaker 1: off of old memories for a while. So it happens.
Speaker 1: That's how we stay, That's how we stay a lot. Okay,
Speaker 1: moving on final question, Harrison Clippers when the title or
Speaker 1: the Celtics win the title? Clipper? Okay, thank you, that's great.
Speaker 1: That a codiction or is that just like what you
Speaker 1: would rather? You'd rather? I thought, uh, I mean I
Speaker 1: guess both, but yeah, you'll take a Yeah. You didn't
Speaker 1: like how rapid that answer was, Hunt Jack. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I just I actually didn't understand the question. Um, so
Speaker 1: I assumed which would I prefer? Yeah, which would you prefer? Yeah? Clippers?
Speaker 1: Yeah without good Man. Yeah, I actually gotta keep that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let him get one. And I I like that answer
Speaker 1: because the Lakers fans relationship to the Clippers has never
Speaker 1: sat right with me. I think I think Lakers fans
Speaker 1: need to be nicer to the Clippers. I think I
Speaker 1: agree with that too. But no, the look I retweeted
Speaker 1: that them winning Mascot of a Year today. You know,
Speaker 1: that's what sometimes your little brother, you know, gets like
Speaker 1: a perfect attendance award or something you've got to recognize.
Speaker 1: We love that. We love that well, Harrison, thanks so
Speaker 1: much for joining us on Miles and Jack got mad boosties.
Speaker 1: Where can people you know check out your work and
Speaker 1: uh and and support you and follow you and all that. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you can check out the Silver Screen and
Speaker 1: World podcast, which I'm still doing. I guess I don't
Speaker 1: know how much longer I'm still doing that because I'm
Speaker 1: not writing anymore. But uh yeah, and then you know,
Speaker 1: just follow me on Twitter at hm Fagan and then
Speaker 1: just check out all the you know, if you have
Speaker 1: a favorite team, we have an sp Nation blog for you,
Speaker 1: so go check those. Uh and yeah, that's that's all
Speaker 1: I got to plug. Amazing man, what was great having you?
Speaker 1: Um I didn't love the brag that you could touch
Speaker 1: rim in high school. I mean, I'm six ft four,
Speaker 1: It's not like it's not that impressive. You know, like
Speaker 1: alright then, like I have Matt boosts on this show,
Speaker 1: but I can only I could only touch that, So
Speaker 1: it's like sorry for you, that's okay, and that's on
Speaker 1: us and we should if we should prepare the guests
Speaker 1: and not. Yeah, that was like a rough left one
Speaker 1: bet level poster that I like, inadvertently, Yeah, did on you?
Speaker 1: I apologize, not sorry, it's I'm just gonna hear for
Speaker 1: the next week. But again, what did I say about
Speaker 1: breaking people and who could jump higher than me? TDZ
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Speaker 1: out all the green Skittles and my fans like just
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Jack, just like no one that can
Speaker 1: jump higher than me. I'm sorry, he said, he grab
Speaker 1: rim Okay, you know what, so you're thinking Joe, that
Speaker 1: was wow. Thanks a lot for the humiliation to producer Jabari.
Speaker 1: Real tight guy, we got real tough guys. Real tough
Speaker 1: guy was going on here. All right, that's my bad.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry self facing, but arrows out it turns out
Speaker 1: on this Podah. Yeah, that is a huge grind on
Speaker 1: this But you're the best man. Thanks so much. You
Speaker 1: feel better, No, not at all? Um, try all right,
Speaker 1: thanks all righty'all. We'll see you next time, because there
Speaker 1: will be next time. Bye bye,