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Speaker 1: and welcome to Season to forty three, episode two After
Speaker 1: Day He's Like Guys. Stay in production of by Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into america share consciousness. It is Tuesday, Juno, which means Miles, oh, June,
Speaker 1: I know what to do. It's National Logistics Day, also
Speaker 1: National Paul Bunyan Day. So shout out to fucking those
Speaker 1: people myths. Yeah, logistics Day? Who needed that? Who who
Speaker 1: is passionate enough about logistics that they thought we need
Speaker 1: to stop them? Appreciate these I mean, hey, with all
Speaker 1: the supply chain issues, you know, and maybe maybe now
Speaker 1: you now you care about logistics. Okay, not just June
Speaker 1: every year, but yeah, bab I've been retected. Did you?
Speaker 1: Wasn't there? I feel like it's the old shitty Universal Tour.
Speaker 1: There was like a Paul Bunyan like just statue and
Speaker 1: I was like, what is from Auck? Like why why
Speaker 1: is this here? Is from Fargo? Maybe? Is that? No?
Speaker 1: This ship was like I remember my eighties the Giant
Speaker 1: who had the ox Yeah with the big blue ox baby, Yeah,
Speaker 1: much more interesting. Talk about a sidekick that outshines the stars, right,
Speaker 1: They're like, yo, look at that big dude. It's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: Paul Bunny, what's up? It's like no, no no, no, wait,
Speaker 1: what's what? What? What was? There's two weird things about
Speaker 1: that ox. I'll tell you what right anyway is my
Speaker 1: name is Jack O'Brien a k A. The Thirst Baha
Speaker 1: Blast and the Blast shot in thirst Basic instructions before
Speaker 1: drinking surf. That is a Baha Blast themed basic instructions
Speaker 1: before leaving Earth thing that I just thought of as
Speaker 1: I was gazing upon. They have Baba blasts and bottles
Speaker 1: on store shelves right now. Also Baha Gold uh and
Speaker 1: Baha Mango jem, which I oh I got. I got
Speaker 1: three flavors of the blasts that I will be taste
Speaker 1: testing to distract me from our crumbling country, and I
Speaker 1: will be letting you know how they taste. Does Baja
Speaker 1: gold really taste like Baja gold? How don't like weed?
Speaker 1: Is it like this slightly smarter version of idiocracy where
Speaker 1: the Baha Blast taste test isn't to like distract from
Speaker 1: like the thing and not talk about it, but be
Speaker 1: like to deal with our crumbling it nation. I will
Speaker 1: now be taste testing Baha Blast as we just get
Speaker 1: to get through the conversation. Well, anyways, I'm thrilled to
Speaker 1: be joined as always by my co host, Mr Miles
Speaker 1: Miles brag the Lord of Lancership was twisting up crazier.
Speaker 1: The Hideo Nomo himself called me hide oh no ho
Speaker 1: and a new actual nickname. I will call myself Taz
Speaker 1: sip qually because I can't. I can't help myself but
Speaker 1: partake in the blast because I bought a twelve pack
Speaker 1: of Baba Blast, y'all. I drank three before bed last night. Miles.
Speaker 1: It's because it takes a drink of before I don't
Speaker 1: have my a c on because like I have like
Speaker 1: like old sometimes I keep it off and I'm like fun,
Speaker 1: it's hot, Like let me crack over another Baha Blast.
Speaker 1: And that again was the only thing right because you
Speaker 1: are like the most caffeine insensitive person. Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: That has nothing in the history of the universe. That
Speaker 1: might as well be Dima tap pm, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I feel like they wouldn't even put that
Speaker 1: in the Baha Blast commercial. Someone like slamming one and
Speaker 1: then like going off to sleep. I feel like that
Speaker 1: that's not on brand. That is not Blast behavior for sure,
Speaker 1: for sure. Well, Miles, we're throwed to be joined in
Speaker 1: our third seat by a brilliant storyteller who is the
Speaker 1: lead creative strategy just for Assaulted Logic, working in everything
Speaker 1: from fine art technology to academia to conservation. It's he know, Wilkerson,
Speaker 1: lovely to be back, you do, you know, I've I've
Speaker 1: had better days, I've had better weeks. Lots lots happening,
Speaker 1: and I feel I'm sad and I'm desensitized and I'm
Speaker 1: horrified and I'm not shocked, and I'm all of those
Speaker 1: things at one time, right, Yeah, which I think is
Speaker 1: probably the most unsettling, like most fucked up place to
Speaker 1: be where you're like, I've like my I've burned out
Speaker 1: a lot of my other receptors, and I'm also expecting
Speaker 1: that I'm going to be just terribly disappointed. That's what
Speaker 1: really fucks it up too. Yeah. Well, I feel like
Speaker 1: on TikTok especially, there's a lot of white women that
Speaker 1: are making references to The Handmaid's Tale and saying things
Speaker 1: like made a long open, can you believe I'm wearing
Speaker 1: my red coat and blah blah blah, And it's like, girl,
Speaker 1: we've been here, you know, like we've been knowing, so welcome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have empathy, but babe. Yeah, we got to the party. Okay, relaxed, girl,
Speaker 1: We're gonna be here for a while. It doesn't the
Speaker 1: barb never closes for real. Oh man. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: we're going to get to know you a little bit
Speaker 1: better in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listening
Speaker 1: to a couple of things we're talking about. We're gonna
Speaker 1: ask the Democrats what the plant? What's what's the plan?
Speaker 1: We we knew this was coming for months. Where where
Speaker 1: are we at? What? What are some things that can
Speaker 1: be done? Also, the Supreme Court hits just keep coming.
Speaker 1: We got the prayer at a public school basically being
Speaker 1: being all right, And I think it underlines this thing
Speaker 1: about like white Christian sis men are like so horny
Speaker 1: to be the one thing they can't be in America,
Speaker 1: which is like oppressed for being Christian and men. And
Speaker 1: so I want I want to talk about that a
Speaker 1: little bit because it ties into the Supreme Court ruling.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about some leaked Amazon memos. But before
Speaker 1: we get to any of that, ship he know, we
Speaker 1: do like to ask our guest, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history? Thank you for asking, because I truly
Speaker 1: did go into the history. This is not for the bit,
Speaker 1: this is true. Christine Brown interviews Sister Wives two. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're familiar with the TLC show Sister Wives,
Speaker 1: but it's about Cody Brown, the patriarch of a like
Speaker 1: a fundamental Mormon family, and they've had a t LC
Speaker 1: show for like seventeen years, and recently one of their
Speaker 1: wives is saying, I'm done, Cody, You're an asshole. I'm
Speaker 1: through with this. And so when the world explodes and
Speaker 1: I can't look at that drama, some people like kind
Speaker 1: of like move back and they're like do yoga or
Speaker 1: like they take a break, I want to lean in.
Speaker 1: I want to lean into like some meaningless ship. You know.
Speaker 1: I can't read the news, but I do want drama.
Speaker 1: I do want t just make it about this Mormon
Speaker 1: white woman. And then I spend hours and hours looking
Speaker 1: into has she done any interviews, what's she up to now?
Speaker 1: She has a hobby, she has a cooking show, She
Speaker 1: lost a lot of weight. Christine is doing great. So
Speaker 1: she doing like spaon con she lived in that like
Speaker 1: influence her life or what? Yeah, well they they their
Speaker 1: whole life is like being Mormon and having this show.
Speaker 1: But now she has a show called Cooking with Only Christine,
Speaker 1: a little dig at her only literally that's in the title,
Speaker 1: with or with it with just Christine. That's what I
Speaker 1: came for. She said, Look, bitches, I've been done. You
Speaker 1: stay with that man with the balding head. But I'm through.
Speaker 1: I'm the only Chris with only Christine for you, just Christie.
Speaker 1: It's wild. You know, It's funny how so many people,
Speaker 1: I myself included, like when you are so engaged with
Speaker 1: the news and current events and have to like really
Speaker 1: be analytical and think critically about it, like day in
Speaker 1: and day out, so many people retreat to garbage reality TV.
Speaker 1: Like it's wild how I'm seeing this to like, even
Speaker 1: like I bring up series Castle who you know, just
Speaker 1: one I believe, like just received an award for her
Speaker 1: reporting on like gangs in the l A Sheriff's Department.
Speaker 1: Who's like, you know, one of the most brave journalists
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, cost of dealing with death threats and stuff.
Speaker 1: And then I'm talking about ninety day and I get
Speaker 1: damn like, hey man, I want to come on the
Speaker 1: podcast about saying I like what I'm like over here
Speaker 1: thanking you for your work, and you're like, I love nineties,
Speaker 1: and I see like how it's pretty much the opposite
Speaker 1: of what it means to be like engaged the reality
Speaker 1: I want to be in, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It makes the world looks so two dementia and it's
Speaker 1: comforting and you can just accept the vision of the
Speaker 1: world they're giving you, and you're like, great, no, notes,
Speaker 1: this is perfect. You're right. You should move back to Utah.
Speaker 1: Christine Cody is an asshole. Yes, that's all that matters.
Speaker 1: Way back to Utah. She wasn't in Utah. Yes, So
Speaker 1: they fled Utah because they were criminalizing it and went
Speaker 1: to Las Vegas and live in this cul de sac
Speaker 1: with these four houses like a little they all have
Speaker 1: this whole family cul de sac. And then they moved
Speaker 1: to Arizona for some reason. But Christina, she's feeling her
Speaker 1: heart being drawn back to Utah because it's not a
Speaker 1: crime anymore, and she wants to live her truth. But
Speaker 1: I think she's going to move into monogamy. So okay, okay, Christina, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've spent days, So my life is a Christine Google's
Speaker 1: Sister Wives. I get auto completes of season seventeen. So
Speaker 1: this has been going on for for a while. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think they have like twenty five kids, like since
Speaker 1: the days of Big Love. Yeah, yes, lots of babies,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I feel like it's like it
Speaker 1: came on the heels of Big Love. Almost got it.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen Big Love. He's like
Speaker 1: an HBO prest show. Yeah, that was about like a
Speaker 1: similar scenario with like three connected homes with very different
Speaker 1: I think three wives, right, and then Bill Pullman Yep, yeah,
Speaker 1: nailed it. I'm getting so good. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: misidentified a Pullman packs and and in a while, so
Speaker 1: my trans paid off. I think I just said his
Speaker 1: name wrong, but it's I think it is. It's Paxiston,
Speaker 1: isn't it. I said Paxson like he's Jim or John
Speaker 1: the one who passed away? Right? Oh? Yes? He Big
Speaker 1: Big Love came out two thousand six Sister Wive season
Speaker 1: one two. I felt like that was like that sort
Speaker 1: of brought in the conversation. But like, yo, we can
Speaker 1: there's a real there's the real life version up the street.
Speaker 1: We can talk about what what about this reality show?
Speaker 1: Like why this instead of ninety d fiance. Yeah, thank you,
Speaker 1: that's the question. I you know, I think that fiance
Speaker 1: feels too gimmicky, and it's almost like too easy for
Speaker 1: me to understand. Like I get getting to a place
Speaker 1: in your life. Not to this applies to everybody, but
Speaker 1: like you're sad and you just want something exciting, and
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be crazy to marry someone from another country
Speaker 1: and bring them over, and like you just want to
Speaker 1: be messy. I get that feeling. I can connect to it.
Speaker 1: I was there two weeks ago with sister wives, right
Speaker 1: where like they all have this religious aspect and they've
Speaker 1: all been together for so long, and then you have
Speaker 1: the new wife, Robin, who like is clearly the favorite
Speaker 1: and he's spending all this time with her because they
Speaker 1: have young children. And then the three wives were like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm so okay with this. I don't even like spen
Speaker 1: spending every night with my husband because actually I'm like,
Speaker 1: I have all these hobbies and and then they're like
Speaker 1: get so deep into like and it's this huge like
Speaker 1: sunk cost fallacy. Right, they have all these fucking kids,
Speaker 1: it's all intertwined. Once you're unhappy, what do you do
Speaker 1: at that point? And In the last interview, Christine says
Speaker 1: that she was like thinking about renovating, and she was like, well,
Speaker 1: we'll put our our room on the opposite side of
Speaker 1: the house so we can have some intimacy. And then
Speaker 1: she asked Cody, like, do you even think we'll need
Speaker 1: that anymore? And he's like, no, not really, I mean
Speaker 1: you can just put the house like, put the rooms anywhere.
Speaker 1: And she was like he didn't even like take that
Speaker 1: as a very clear do you even need that ship anymore? Man?
Speaker 1: And he was like like, what do you mean, Oh
Speaker 1: my god? He of course I love you. Number three
Speaker 1: And even in my darkest days, even in my darkest
Speaker 1: I don't think I could ever do that much mental
Speaker 1: gymnastics knock on wood. But like they're all participating in
Speaker 1: this like kind of share a delusion. I love it.
Speaker 1: It's like four is too simple, right, because very easy
Speaker 1: to wrap your head around, like the interpersonal drama. This
Speaker 1: takes like interpersonal drama and then puts like a seventh
Speaker 1: seven dimensions on top of it. There's like Heavenly Father
Speaker 1: and then they're like the Light and from Utah, but
Speaker 1: now they're in Las Vegas, stifling actually communicating your needs
Speaker 1: to a partner every time a yeah, what is something
Speaker 1: you think is overrated? I'm going with Amazon reviews. And
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is I feel like, right,
Speaker 1: we there are certain people in the world we need.
Speaker 1: We need people to make compilation videos on YouTube, we
Speaker 1: need people to write reviews like they're the backbone of society.
Speaker 1: And I'm certainly not going to do it. But I
Speaker 1: feel like Amazon reviews at this point are either a
Speaker 1: R paid for by a company five stars it's the
Speaker 1: best product ever, no note, or B it's people who
Speaker 1: are like egregiously lying to get their review on one
Speaker 1: of those like craziest Amazon review lists, and so they
Speaker 1: like make up this elaborate lie about like I ordered
Speaker 1: this grill from my son and it came with all
Speaker 1: these bullet holes on the side, and I've had paranormal
Speaker 1: activity ever since, and it's just like it's like a
Speaker 1: complete lie, right right, And so now it's like it's
Speaker 1: not even fucking helpful anymore. The first top result is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had somebody found physical proof that an afterlife does exist,
Speaker 1: i'd probably learn about it in an Amazon review. That's
Speaker 1: where the CIA initially had the reports about the aliens
Speaker 1: so they're like kind of soft launch it. Yeah, see
Speaker 1: how that revelation does on Amazon first weather than that
Speaker 1: real quick. But it is like I realized, now you're right,
Speaker 1: like I never look at the Amazon reviews, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't really consciously think there's too many glowing reviews
Speaker 1: because there are times, like you know, when I would
Speaker 1: use Prime much more like frequently when I was disturbed
Speaker 1: by Jeff Bezos, like where I'd be like, yeah, man, sure,
Speaker 1: and that fucking power cable sounds good and it comes
Speaker 1: and this ship like busts in three seconds. But you
Speaker 1: get sort of you get sort of hypnotized by the
Speaker 1: amount where it's like seven thousand reviews on it and
Speaker 1: it's four and a half. That's got to mean something.
Speaker 1: We'll just means probably seven thousand people made the same
Speaker 1: mistake you're about too. Oh yeah, and we now think
Speaker 1: that Amazon is cheaper, like Amazon is not cheaper like
Speaker 1: like a Google tool, and then you go to that
Speaker 1: person's website and it's always cheaper somewhere else. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: the other thing is too if it's like anything that's
Speaker 1: like you know, not you being like I need a
Speaker 1: Britta filter or some ship. If it's like some other
Speaker 1: stuff you almost every website you go to. I think
Speaker 1: this happens every time you go to some retail website.
Speaker 1: He said, hey, man, you want your first order type,
Speaker 1: so you're already you're already gonna pay less the retail,
Speaker 1: so let it rip, you know. But I was going
Speaker 1: to say the review that I love the most in
Speaker 1: terms of, like, you know what I get joy out
Speaker 1: of is the one where you can tell somebody is
Speaker 1: just having a terrible day and they're taking it out
Speaker 1: on a business you know what I mean, Because it's
Speaker 1: so that's another one, like the transparent lies are fun
Speaker 1: to read, and then the transparently like oh, let me
Speaker 1: guess you last minute planned this birthday dinner for your
Speaker 1: wife and then when they fucked up and then she
Speaker 1: didn't like the vibe of it. Now you decided to
Speaker 1: write a five page screen about how they lied to you,
Speaker 1: and like the complaint doesn't fully make sense, like you
Speaker 1: can yeah, there's like no actual complaint there, and you're
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I love when they come back with
Speaker 1: the where when when the organization comes back with the
Speaker 1: like super politeful like yeah, clapp back, that's just like, hey,
Speaker 1: we actually remember you. It was so weird serving you,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately the thing you're talking about didn't happen. What
Speaker 1: happened instead was that you showed up and all your
Speaker 1: credit cards got declined and then tried to start a
Speaker 1: fight with somebody who was clearing your table. So but yes,
Speaker 1: we love to continue to hear from you and continue
Speaker 1: this dialogue. Yeah, because that's like the best way to
Speaker 1: neutralize it. Like, because I had a friend who's you know,
Speaker 1: his his partner was a business owner and we're getting
Speaker 1: those yelped comments like like they were looking fighting for
Speaker 1: their life, and I was like, that's a worse look
Speaker 1: like when you're like, um, actually, no, you were being
Speaker 1: fucking rude, and I don't want to fucking hear it.
Speaker 1: As a business owner, I deal with them like something
Speaker 1: just you could kill him? What kindness to or just not? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it does feel like you have a lot of time
Speaker 1: on your hands, right The person leaving a review like
Speaker 1: waited in the front of the front lobby for three
Speaker 1: hours and they're like excuse me, and they're like, that's
Speaker 1: what you were doing in the lot in the back
Speaker 1: while I waited in the lobby. You're writing reviews responding
Speaker 1: to all these YELP people. Yeah, no, I wasn't hold on.
Speaker 1: Here's video of meat of you asking why the appointments late.
Speaker 1: You said, hold on, I have to finish. This Yelp
Speaker 1: response is underrated. Google flights, that's all you need. You
Speaker 1: don't need Kayak, you don't need right now, you don't need.
Speaker 1: You can learn what the prices are going to be
Speaker 1: for like nine months into the future, and you can
Speaker 1: just put a destination. You don't need to say from
Speaker 1: where to where, you don't even say it just shows
Speaker 1: you all your options. And I've never found it cheaper
Speaker 1: somewhere else besides flights. Yeah, sorcery. Is this Google all
Speaker 1: the info? They better have the best fucking flight comparison service.
Speaker 1: They have all the fucking data. Like I would be
Speaker 1: pick exactly, we couldn't do that ship. But all the
Speaker 1: information I've been giving you in Gmail and exactly you've
Speaker 1: been reading all my emails for fifteen years. The least
Speaker 1: you can do is put it towards getting me good flights. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly right. You do want to put on private, though,
Speaker 1: because if you put where you want to go, you
Speaker 1: will start getting ads for like and sometimes some things
Speaker 1: they tracked, like if you've been on a site multiple times,
Speaker 1: they'll they'll they'll slightly bump the price up, I know
Speaker 1: with like a hotel listing to to try and like
Speaker 1: coerce or catalyze you to be like, actually I don't
Speaker 1: want to miss that deal. I didn't hear you endorsing
Speaker 1: Duck Duck go flights. Okay, so and I stand by
Speaker 1: that ship. Yeah, good for your privacy, terrible forgetting your
Speaker 1: consumer goes. Unfortunately that it is there one point. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Like the other cool thing too, is you can just
Speaker 1: put where you want to fly out of and the dates,
Speaker 1: and it's like, here's what it's gonna cost to go
Speaker 1: across the world this time, and then you can really
Speaker 1: like it really does feel like you're spinning a globe
Speaker 1: or being like, well, okay, cool, I can go to
Speaker 1: Phoenix for three fifty dollars. That's two months. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll show you right, Like for a seven day trip,
Speaker 1: here's every city by price. So if you just like
Speaker 1: want to go on a trip for seven days, they'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh, well, Miami will be three hundred bucks,
Speaker 1: but Canada on this weekend is two hundred bucks or
Speaker 1: something like that. M hmm. I'm actually doing a search
Speaker 1: right now because we have a trip back East coming
Speaker 1: up that I need to get flights for that does
Speaker 1: not want me to. Yeah, yeah, could you guys just
Speaker 1: hold on for a second. Stop talking? Yeah, stop talking,
Speaker 1: stop talking? Why do I need? Just you do your thing?
Speaker 1: I can't talk a while. It does keep telling me
Speaker 1: that I want to go to the Philippines and not Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: which is nice of them. You're going to Mania. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe that's what we should do instead. All right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but so this is basically like what kayak, but better
Speaker 1: like what kayak us to be correct, and you don't
Speaker 1: have to do all the pop ups. I feel like
Speaker 1: those like sites take forever to load. I just love
Speaker 1: how Jack is so sincerely engaged with this, and I
Speaker 1: think it was like, yeah, yeah, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: keep this anymore. You know, I'm letting it go to
Speaker 1: the world. I'm not afraid, you know, give people tools exactly.
Speaker 1: Please help that little alphabet company out. Yeah. Well, and
Speaker 1: you may need to travel because things have changed where
Speaker 1: you're living. So if you're looking for cheap flights, just
Speaker 1: keep an eye out of flights like I CA. There
Speaker 1: you go, alright, let's take a quick break. We'll come
Speaker 1: back to talk about the news, and I will taste
Speaker 1: Baha gold and we're back. And yeah, I think a
Speaker 1: lot a lot of us were waiting to see, like
Speaker 1: what the Democratic plan was going to be in the
Speaker 1: aftermath of you know, Row being overturned as as expected
Speaker 1: because of the leak, and it just didn't it didn't
Speaker 1: seem like there was coherent, like plan of action. It
Speaker 1: was just like it was total chaos. Biden said, you know,
Speaker 1: just sort of gave us speech, strongly worded but essentially
Speaker 1: saying like, you know that the administration would prioritize access
Speaker 1: to contraception and abortion medications and allowing people to move
Speaker 1: freely to seek medical care. Pelosi, you know, as we
Speaker 1: touched on, read a poem and then said this is bad,
Speaker 1: y'all should vote in November. That wasn't very inspiring. So
Speaker 1: none of that felt very comforting. I mean, the closest
Speaker 1: thing to a plan was probably when like the draft
Speaker 1: opinion like leaked and that he was getting pressed by
Speaker 1: Democrats to be like, maybe you should do something through
Speaker 1: an executive order if we know this is coming, maybe
Speaker 1: is that something. Not much of that happened, so things
Speaker 1: are a little more active, like on the state level
Speaker 1: at least you know there there are democratic government like
Speaker 1: the democratic governors of California, Oregon, and Washington. They're launching
Speaker 1: what they call a West Coast of Offense essentially to
Speaker 1: protect access. And in that means that like as these
Speaker 1: three states that you know they are going to set
Speaker 1: up protections against states that are going to target medical
Speaker 1: professionals who provide abortions or people who are seeking them.
Speaker 1: It also says like we're not gonna do We're not
Speaker 1: gonna cooperate with any out of state police over this
Speaker 1: kind of ship like miss us with that, We're not
Speaker 1: going to help you at all, and also will not
Speaker 1: be extraditing people, especially if this is related to accessing
Speaker 1: legal re productive healthcare. So you know those there's also
Speaker 1: legal challenges and all this kind of comes together with
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people still wondering like what
Speaker 1: can we do right now? Because that's also a very
Speaker 1: I think not often spoke about dimension of what's happening
Speaker 1: right now. I feel like when you turn on the news,
Speaker 1: everything is like, yeah, you know, we gotta vote. Here.
Speaker 1: Some legal challenges that are happening, but I feel like
Speaker 1: completely misses the human beings at this moment, who are
Speaker 1: going to find themselves in a state that is going
Speaker 1: to restrict their access to you know, reproductive care, and
Speaker 1: what their options are and what they might be experiencing,
Speaker 1: and everything seems to be like in this future world
Speaker 1: where no one might need any access to an abortion
Speaker 1: right now or in the next month or two months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all kind of coming together, but I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people scratching their heads while also beginning to
Speaker 1: coalesce around certain messages. But I think the most prominent
Speaker 1: one is about voting in November, and and the ultimate
Speaker 1: critique of of the Democratic Party is that they were
Speaker 1: letting this hang out there so they had it as
Speaker 1: a thing to get people to vote. I heard people
Speaker 1: being like, well, Pelosi in the House like encoded through
Speaker 1: abortion access like back back in the fall, but like
Speaker 1: in terms of functionally doing that, Like it's just it's
Speaker 1: weird to me that Like Mansion and Colins were both
Speaker 1: like this is bullshit, but like nobody followed up and
Speaker 1: was like, all right, so let's so like I'm in
Speaker 1: your office right now, let's let's like get some ship done,
Speaker 1: and instead it was it was just like they issued
Speaker 1: strongly worded statements. The president issued a strongly worded speech.
Speaker 1: Pelosi gave like read a poem, but like it's all
Speaker 1: about like feeling pain and like getting people to vote
Speaker 1: in the future, and like that just seems so transparent
Speaker 1: to me. And I feel like people can't help but
Speaker 1: see that, right I I I uh, I think there's
Speaker 1: a there's a part of me that you know. On
Speaker 1: one hand, I have all this empathy for like education
Speaker 1: is so important to be able to understand a legal
Speaker 1: process and to have a critical eye and be able
Speaker 1: to think about the semantics. But I also know that
Speaker 1: that's like that education and access isn't available to everybody.
Speaker 1: But it's like how much grace are we supposed to give? Right,
Speaker 1: there's a certain point where you grow up and you
Speaker 1: have a responsibility to contribute to your community, have some awareness,
Speaker 1: have some respect for other people. I don't know, it
Speaker 1: all feels fake, like we're living in a like mm hmm,
Speaker 1: you know, and like, you know, I've heard from people
Speaker 1: saying like we need to inspire democrats to action, to
Speaker 1: not drag people down, and I feel like that is
Speaker 1: such a disingenuous take on the people who are being
Speaker 1: critical of leadership right now, because it's not about drag
Speaker 1: getting people down, it's about I'm merely observing what has happened.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at, you know, democratic majorities that presidents have
Speaker 1: experienced in the past and failed to act on it
Speaker 1: because it was easier to do like this electoral gamesmanship
Speaker 1: ship and get people to vote and use that as
Speaker 1: like a way to chum the waters. And so I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that in these instances, my empathy doesn't go towards
Speaker 1: trying to understand people who will be wealthier than I
Speaker 1: ever could be and trying to figure out why they
Speaker 1: want to think it's okay to play with people's lives
Speaker 1: that have some weird long game view, like that's not
Speaker 1: where my heart goes out to people who are trying
Speaker 1: to live, who are waking up in a world where
Speaker 1: they have limited rights, you know, and that they could
Speaker 1: potentially die because of this fucking decision. And you know,
Speaker 1: the voting solution is not instant right. That means vote
Speaker 1: in November, that means wait for people to be sworn
Speaker 1: in next January. That means legislate even if should happen
Speaker 1: at lightning speed. That's like a year away. That's like
Speaker 1: in the most charitable view, like that's a year away.
Speaker 1: And I think that's really fucked up to think of
Speaker 1: people who are considering what their options are for having
Speaker 1: a child. You know how that affects people who might
Speaker 1: even be seeking like I v F and other treatments
Speaker 1: like that, Because this has all kinds of like knock
Speaker 1: on effects to the people that are in the military
Speaker 1: who are on BASS and states that have these trigger
Speaker 1: laws and they don't know if they can speak to
Speaker 1: like a commanding officer because they might run a foul.
Speaker 1: Like there's just so many people right now who are
Speaker 1: in a situation like YO want like what are my options?
Speaker 1: And I just hate when, you know, we hear these
Speaker 1: things of like you know, you just gotta be patient,
Speaker 1: Just be patient and then we'll be able to get
Speaker 1: these things. But we're demanding better for ourselves. We're demanding
Speaker 1: that we that there's a that there's a minimum that
Speaker 1: is not being met at all, and that is there
Speaker 1: is no patience for that. Go tell somebody who's fucking
Speaker 1: eighteen and just graduated high schools, like, hey man, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to at a lambo, you know, I need a
Speaker 1: better job. Tell that motherfucker to have patients. Don't tell
Speaker 1: somebody who get right now. They're doing the equivalent of
Speaker 1: telling people who pulled up into e er with life
Speaker 1: threatening injuries to be like, hey, you're gonna need some
Speaker 1: patience right now. Right, I don't know. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what is so mind bending and frustrating about this
Speaker 1: is because we're talking about real ship that's going to
Speaker 1: have real effects on people's lives, disport disproportionately people of
Speaker 1: color and poor people, and we're the ball is being
Speaker 1: passed back like yeah, man, just just wait on that
Speaker 1: real quick. We need from you. Well, and as someone
Speaker 1: with a uterus, right, I cannot help but believe that
Speaker 1: Republicans don't truly care whether or not people have abortions. Right.
Speaker 1: They know that we do, right people, people without any money,
Speaker 1: BIPOC people, Right, we care about having abortions until the
Speaker 1: Democrats prey on that. And Christian people with a lot
Speaker 1: of money care about people not having abortions, and Republicans
Speaker 1: know that, and they prey on them to vote right,
Speaker 1: like this is all about making their friends richer at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. And I think that they're
Speaker 1: using the ploy of you know, a moral quote unquote
Speaker 1: issue as seen by the religious people, and a and
Speaker 1: a human rights issue. I think they're just they're playing
Speaker 1: chess with us, right, Like, here's this really important health issue,
Speaker 1: and we're going to dangle that so that everybody can
Speaker 1: fight while we're still getting richer. Right, Democratic representative, senators,
Speaker 1: all those things. They get paid every year no matter
Speaker 1: what decisions are made, right, and we're just kind of
Speaker 1: it just it feels inaccessible right there. Their problems and
Speaker 1: what they care about are so different than the problem
Speaker 1: as they present it to us. Yeah, how can you
Speaker 1: access that? Like, I don't you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I'm now so concerned about my rights that I
Speaker 1: can't have the time or capacity or space to really
Speaker 1: think about. Right, which one of your friends? Are you
Speaker 1: getting richer by doing this? Mm hmm. Yeah, it's like things.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not the case, but it feels like
Speaker 1: the most things that got worse in a single like
Speaker 1: I don't know, one two week period, Like yeah, you
Speaker 1: mile as you said, demanding better, and it is things
Speaker 1: are getting significantly worse and people are being told to
Speaker 1: be patient and I keep or entitled. Right, that's another
Speaker 1: more people entitled. You're entitled to everyone's actually entitled to,
Speaker 1: you know, live up life, free of these kinds of
Speaker 1: funked up forces pushing their life in a certain direction.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that we feel people are entitled to.
Speaker 1: And at the end that that language is its fucking
Speaker 1: violent and it's effective because that you can constantly spin
Speaker 1: people's actual pursuit of progress, which benefits every ry one
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, to make it just
Speaker 1: a very narrow issue. Right. So, I mean, we we
Speaker 1: have some pre role that we'll be running on this
Speaker 1: episode or trending episodes directing people to Choice dot crd
Speaker 1: dot co donations for the number four abortion dot com
Speaker 1: as another place that people can go. But yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's that those are important things just to realize too,
Speaker 1: because in all of this of like you know, dealing
Speaker 1: with the shock of wow, we're going we just went
Speaker 1: back five decades like it was nothing, and even further
Speaker 1: and we have a and we have a this this
Speaker 1: judicial body that is now just become like this ideological
Speaker 1: runaway train. It's important to know just to interact with
Speaker 1: these resources the very least because I think That's one
Speaker 1: thing that a lot of people are gonna have trouble
Speaker 1: figuring out is to a know the situation that they're
Speaker 1: in and and I'll be also knowing what their options
Speaker 1: are too. So yet the choice dot c r D
Speaker 1: dot c O has just no or what state you're in,
Speaker 1: can very easily answer basic questions. And then if you
Speaker 1: have the ability to donate money to these funds and
Speaker 1: donations for abortion dot com is also a great place.
Speaker 1: But I think the biggest thing right now is to
Speaker 1: most people need to be aware fully because I think
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this show, you're probably more engaged
Speaker 1: than most people are, because this ship isn't the show
Speaker 1: isn't for everybody, you know what I mean. And it's
Speaker 1: important that people are also communicating into their immediate circles
Speaker 1: just how much of a fucking like, what what path
Speaker 1: we're on right now? You know, electoralism aside, look like
Speaker 1: this is this is absolutely serious, and we're dealing with
Speaker 1: a group of people who six people right now they
Speaker 1: feel like they can you know, basically create whatever reality
Speaker 1: they want at the moment. Well, and I think if
Speaker 1: people want to get involved in their community, it's so
Speaker 1: important to like, look to the people that have been
Speaker 1: doing this work for years, for decades, right, don't try
Speaker 1: to reinvent the wheel. Also, more specifically, right, if you're
Speaker 1: and if you're a white ciss headman and you want
Speaker 1: to enter this fight and enter this space, by all means,
Speaker 1: please do we need your voice, we need your representation.
Speaker 1: But you also need to focus on the people that
Speaker 1: are being most affected and help them uplift their own work. Right,
Speaker 1: not come in with this huge campaign about how you
Speaker 1: think that you can solve the problem, because I think
Speaker 1: in some ways like these spaces are often super liberating
Speaker 1: and amazing, and then sometimes they can also reinforce some
Speaker 1: of the misogyny that they're trying to take down at
Speaker 1: the same time. Right, So being activist, please, but be
Speaker 1: a responsible activist. M By the way, Baja gold is good,
Speaker 1: classics bad. It pains me to say that, but it's
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a I'm a big Baha Blast fan.
Speaker 1: But that's the shame. Yeah, it's not good. It's it's
Speaker 1: one of the worst Mountain dew flavors I've had. It's
Speaker 1: still better than anything like nine of the things I've
Speaker 1: ever put in my mouth. But it's not it doesn't
Speaker 1: live up to the Baha Blast title. I don't know
Speaker 1: why they would have given it that title. So that's
Speaker 1: what you're going through right now, exactly. We all have
Speaker 1: a demon. I'm glad you're not at like, you know,
Speaker 1: some kind of rally being like yo, yeah, we gotta
Speaker 1: talking about Baha Blast real quick. You know, they're about
Speaker 1: to be some people agenda like, yeah, I'd like to
Speaker 1: get something into all right, let's let's talk about this
Speaker 1: latest Supreme Court decision. It is. It regards a football coach,
Speaker 1: a high school football coach for a public school who
Speaker 1: basically came out was like he started praying by himself,
Speaker 1: but everybody was like, oh, he seems to like it
Speaker 1: when we pray with him after the games. So then
Speaker 1: it became this big thing where he would like basically
Speaker 1: deliver a sermon at the end of football games, and
Speaker 1: his players, you know, would obviously pressure to like be
Speaker 1: there and be like the best Christian prayer at this
Speaker 1: public school. So people noted it to the school board.
Speaker 1: The school board was like, hey, could you not do that?
Speaker 1: And he turned it into you know, every white Christian
Speaker 1: male's favorite thing, which is like a opportunity to be like,
Speaker 1: there hate us because we're Christian and like the next game,
Speaker 1: he kneeled the prey and did his sermon and all
Speaker 1: the news cameras were there and the school board if
Speaker 1: wiggle his hips and ship, Yeah, exactly, And the school
Speaker 1: board was like, I mean because you just like pray
Speaker 1: and I don't know, like by yourself somewhere. And he
Speaker 1: was like, you're like the Natis basically, and so they
Speaker 1: put him on leave and that that was the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court decision was like he was being persecuted for his
Speaker 1: Christianity and I don't know it just like reading the opinion,
Speaker 1: I just kept thinking of Brett Kavanaugh and how mad
Speaker 1: he was that he had to even like face questioning,
Speaker 1: like the the whole narrative around him being like, what
Speaker 1: is this I'm being attacked? Like to drink beer, you know,
Speaker 1: like just like the most inarticulate, dumb but like full
Speaker 1: of righteous indignation display by a human that maybe I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. But that seems to be the game, is
Speaker 1: that they want to turn themselves as like one of
Speaker 1: the least oppressed groups of humans maybe in the history
Speaker 1: of Earth, becoming less repressed with each Supreme Court decision.
Speaker 1: They like the one thing that they can't be in
Speaker 1: America is oppressed by the system because they are the system.
Speaker 1: And the whole text and belief system is based on
Speaker 1: worshiping a person who was persecuted. And I just feel
Speaker 1: like it doesn't it's never sat comfortably with them like that.
Speaker 1: They don't get to be turned into like the martyrs
Speaker 1: for being Christian. And I've I used to go to
Speaker 1: a public school that had like Fellowship of Christian Athlete
Speaker 1: things where you had to like sit through the wildest
Speaker 1: most like over the top you're burning in hell if
Speaker 1: your soul is not saved by the Lord type ship
Speaker 1: like and it was just everybody did it because you
Speaker 1: wanted to like be on the basketball team essentially, and yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it's it's There's also the Rudy story, which is it's
Speaker 1: just like yeah, all this ship right, like this is
Speaker 1: another like what happened to the fucking the establishment clause?
Speaker 1: You know, like most people point out, like you have
Speaker 1: a public because this is a public school. So someone
Speaker 1: who's a public servant mixing religion and that's becoming like
Speaker 1: what a governmental entanglement or whatever, like the laws like
Speaker 1: you know, the the elements for the establishment close to
Speaker 1: be met. But like I in looking at all of
Speaker 1: this right now, on top of this the road decision,
Speaker 1: we're now also saying, you know, a theocracy is like
Speaker 1: actually the official you know now the official uh system
Speaker 1: of this country now because church and state, we're not
Speaker 1: trying to separate them. It's church and state together, and
Speaker 1: we're like every single moment we're we're like. The other
Speaker 1: thing that I guess that's frustrating as I look at
Speaker 1: all these things is that we're also being like batted around,
Speaker 1: being told to respect these like ancient sheets of fucking paper, right,
Speaker 1: whether it's the Bible or the Constitution, and those have
Speaker 1: somehow become these infallible fucking things where two to use
Speaker 1: to lead your argument with that the Constitution says, the
Speaker 1: Bible says, that has become just such a potent argument
Speaker 1: against fucking logic that That's another part that completely blows
Speaker 1: my mind is that are our deference to these things
Speaker 1: too is all like just continues to sort of like
Speaker 1: fucking trip up that we're experiencing judicially. Well, I think
Speaker 1: what's that What's funny about the coach situation is that
Speaker 1: let's let's say you remove religion and morality from it.
Speaker 1: It's concerning to me that a coach in charge of young,
Speaker 1: impressionable people can't understand the concept of persian and persuasion, right.
Speaker 1: How if you don't understand how a child would feel
Speaker 1: pressure to participate in a prayer that they don't want
Speaker 1: to participate in because you're an authority figure and you
Speaker 1: don't understand power dynamics, just the concept of it, you
Speaker 1: really should not be working with children. Like even if
Speaker 1: you don't get that concept right, that how coersion manifests
Speaker 1: in this like coach mentor relationship. Oh I'm sorry, babe,
Speaker 1: Like you just don't. You don't understand enough about human
Speaker 1: interactions to work with children. And then to that they
Speaker 1: would say, you know, they don't. For them, it's really
Speaker 1: not about coersion, right because for them, a kid's going
Speaker 1: to see a drag queen, read a book at a
Speaker 1: librari's coercion and grooming. They're so quick to use these concepts,
Speaker 1: but immediately it doesn't apply the other way. And I
Speaker 1: think that's why a lot of there was that Twitter
Speaker 1: thread from somebody's saying like this isn't like to think
Speaker 1: of it as hypocrisy is completely wrong, like there isn't,
Speaker 1: they're not. You can't get a conservative like well what
Speaker 1: about this though, but that's coercion, But then this isn't
Speaker 1: that's not the game. The game is. It's a theocracy,
Speaker 1: straight up. We don't want we don't We want to
Speaker 1: completely erase and disappear like marginalized people that don't fit
Speaker 1: with our you know, Christian worldview. That's all it is.
Speaker 1: But we'll use the words of the law too. So
Speaker 1: because we can't just be out here saying we don't
Speaker 1: think gay people should be around. We don't like this,
Speaker 1: we don't like that. We just there're too many brown
Speaker 1: people here, so we have to we so we can
Speaker 1: use our ancient sheets of paper to sort of justify
Speaker 1: what these sort of aims are and use like these
Speaker 1: cases that are really just at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: arguing for the fact that Christianity is the number one religion.
Speaker 1: Fuck fuck anything else you're saying. Because I'm sure I'm
Speaker 1: curious if someone in protest would be like, Okay, let
Speaker 1: me test that out. I'm Muslim and I work for
Speaker 1: the city. What can I what what where's the line
Speaker 1: for me? Now? Because if this is saying like are
Speaker 1: we then gonna begin to dial it in more and
Speaker 1: have to be specific. That's like, well, it's actually, you know, Christianity,
Speaker 1: but the other religions, you know, we're not really so yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing that like we're also
Speaker 1: looking had a lot of these decisions like yo, this
Speaker 1: doesn't even make sense. It's like, well, yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense to us because we wouldn't try and have
Speaker 1: these laws over people that gave them no options, Like
Speaker 1: in the same way that you could make an argument
Speaker 1: that says, you know what, I think Christianity is fucked up,
Speaker 1: and I think it's been used to justify countless horrors
Speaker 1: since time immemorial. What I don't want I don't think
Speaker 1: Bible should exist because I don't want that near my child.
Speaker 1: I don't want my child to even have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to engage with that because that's how they look at
Speaker 1: these other things. But yeah, yeah that if your child
Speaker 1: teacher is gay, he's gonna be gay. Like the second
Speaker 1: your child walks into a room. If the teacher is gay,
Speaker 1: your five year old is gonna be second Dick next week.
Speaker 1: And like the it's that well, yeah, you're like you're saying,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense because their whole their truth is
Speaker 1: that those papers, whether they be in a book or
Speaker 1: on the constitution our law. So even their methods of
Speaker 1: getting to those laws being upheld, it almost doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: like if they kind of get there in a fucked
Speaker 1: up way, Like, at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 1: it was the right thing to do because it was
Speaker 1: moving towards making their paper is truth, right, So even
Speaker 1: if we did it in a shitty way, even if
Speaker 1: we did it unethically, it's ethical. At the end of
Speaker 1: the day, the paper got my back though. That's why
Speaker 1: and everything else you're saying. And I think we all
Speaker 1: which we do ourselves a disservice to continue to look
Speaker 1: at this group, like, you know, we got two we
Speaker 1: got two parties, right, We got the ones that are saying, like,
Speaker 1: funk what you want, this is a theocracy. Also we
Speaker 1: love capitalism. Then we have the other group that's like,
Speaker 1: we love capitalism, we also kind of know what's fair.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day's money over everything.
Speaker 1: So it's like, which at the moment, it looks like
Speaker 1: the people who want to bring in the theocracy pose
Speaker 1: the largest threat to people's human rights, putting aside the
Speaker 1: financial economic oppression that we just general experience under capitalism.
Speaker 1: But like now, to like even call it this thing
Speaker 1: like a political party, I think is completely it's just
Speaker 1: so far off base. And many people have been saying
Speaker 1: that for a long time. When you look at the
Speaker 1: kinds of things that these people read and the events
Speaker 1: they speak at, where you have people who are taking
Speaker 1: off as like Secretary of State, who are also believing
Speaker 1: in the end times, you know, these aren't These aren't
Speaker 1: people who are actually looking at the world and like, uh, okay,
Speaker 1: this is the history of this country. This is this
Speaker 1: is these are the forces that work. They're like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this ship needs to happen. So it matches up with
Speaker 1: the ancient sheets of paper. Guy Daddy's gotta come back,
Speaker 1: So I just gotta make it happen, whatever sky Daddy says.
Speaker 1: And you know, you you mentioned earlier this idea that
Speaker 1: it feels like the a lot of the energy comes
Speaker 1: from the pain they see it causing us and the
Speaker 1: rest of the country. Like it does feel like that
Speaker 1: is a big part that is a lot of the
Speaker 1: fuel is that this is grieve. This is them feeling
Speaker 1: like they've been disrespected in some way and just they
Speaker 1: don't really care as long as it causes outrage on
Speaker 1: like among the on the left. But also you know
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, like that does seem principle right now,
Speaker 1: and but that that is a dark path to travel
Speaker 1: because that ultimately is about dehumanizing and like that, somebody
Speaker 1: made the point that, like, man, when you when you
Speaker 1: read the like grooming and child molesting ship from like
Speaker 1: the q and ons of the world talking about the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party, you really start to realize that they want
Speaker 1: to kill a lot of people, and like that, that
Speaker 1: it that instinct to be like whatever causes the most pain,
Speaker 1: Like that that leads two very like dark, historically horrifying places.
Speaker 1: And it does seem like the that is the that
Speaker 1: is the magnetic north of this of this movement right now.
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's really It's just it does seem
Speaker 1: to be headed in a very dark direction that I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not sure, like that there are two parts
Speaker 1: of the resistance that are like some one part is like, well,
Speaker 1: we've lost and like doing doing anything practical like funk
Speaker 1: all that, and like I understand the frustration, and then
Speaker 1: the center ish movement is like, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: just I'm like, I'm worried that the side, like the
Speaker 1: the leftist movement isn't taking the urge to actually kill
Speaker 1: people seriously enough. Is like a thought that keeps coming
Speaker 1: up for me as I kind of worry about. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've heard people at like city council meetings
Speaker 1: like bring up execution and ship like the fuck, And
Speaker 1: then you have some people are like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm on that that is I'll I'll take that person
Speaker 1: at their word that that is the world that they're
Speaker 1: trying to exist in now, whether or not it gets
Speaker 1: to the plurality of people. That's like, I think that's
Speaker 1: really where we're at right now, trying to figure out
Speaker 1: which way this thing is gonna go still, And I
Speaker 1: think it is tough because on one hand, like Democrats
Speaker 1: have completely botched their audition for having power, and then
Speaker 1: on the other side of it, you've got literally these
Speaker 1: Christian murder terminators who are like, funk what you heard,
Speaker 1: Like there are no laws that can keep you safe
Speaker 1: if you're not on this team. And and now you're
Speaker 1: finding like again you're seeing it express itself in the
Speaker 1: in the voting polls too. And this is like a
Speaker 1: thing that a lot of people are treating as like
Speaker 1: the one bright spot, like on like MSNBC, where it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is bad, But polling has swung eight
Speaker 1: points in the Democrats direction. Now they were three underwater
Speaker 1: and now they're up because of this. And yes, I
Speaker 1: get it because suddenly a bunch of people became acutely
Speaker 1: aware of this existential threat. But then I'm like for
Speaker 1: them to even talk about as being like, well, here's
Speaker 1: a good thing for the game of elections, rather than like, actually,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm already I'm already gonna take everything
Speaker 1: that this that party is gonna stay with a grain
Speaker 1: of salt. But if they're at the very least able
Speaker 1: to articulate something that was like coherently a plan, they
Speaker 1: may do better than to just keep being like you
Speaker 1: gotta vote in November and and and I feel and
Speaker 1: it sucks because it's so cynical because we've seen them
Speaker 1: dangle so many other carrots in front of voters just
Speaker 1: to be like you in that like you feel even
Speaker 1: like it feels even grosser in this situation too, when
Speaker 1: you're like, man, they just literally just fucking took these
Speaker 1: rights away, like it was not I feel like there.
Speaker 1: Their show of power to date has been hashtag sautin prayers, right,
Speaker 1: like they talk about these issues and they put a
Speaker 1: lot of emotive language and and make it all emotionally driven,
Speaker 1: and then it just is the biggest case of blue
Speaker 1: balls on the planet. Right, All right, let's take another
Speaker 1: quick break and we'll be right back. And we're back.
Speaker 1: And there was a leak Amazon memo that revealed some
Speaker 1: never before seeing internal research from Amazon, and it basically
Speaker 1: says ay, we're running out of people to exploit, like
Speaker 1: and this is this is like a this is a
Speaker 1: real problem for Amazon's real problem for the company that
Speaker 1: employs countless pole across the country. They so this this
Speaker 1: memo that like Recode got their hands on. One of
Speaker 1: the sentences says this quote, if we continue business as usual, interesting,
Speaker 1: Amazon will deplete the available labor supply in the US network.
Speaker 1: That is such a fucking wild sentence, like we run
Speaker 1: out of mother exploit if at at our current pace. Now,
Speaker 1: like it will allow us to warn you about these
Speaker 1: like what the things that can be done. This just
Speaker 1: from Rico. This says quote. The report warned the Amazon's
Speaker 1: labor crisis was especially imminent in a few locales, with
Speaker 1: internal models showing that the company is expected to exhaust
Speaker 1: its entire available labor pool in the Phoenix, Arizona metro
Speaker 1: area by the end of and in the Inland Empire
Speaker 1: region of California roughly sixty miles east of l A
Speaker 1: by the end of m And this is at at
Speaker 1: current levels, right, it certainly makes you question, right, why
Speaker 1: are there why are they so invested in all of
Speaker 1: us having babies? Yeah, Yeah, we talked about this yesterday
Speaker 1: about like, well, who who does it benefit to have
Speaker 1: like forest birth? You have an inexhaustible supply of labor
Speaker 1: to exploit. And you know a lot of people have
Speaker 1: talked about like the work of like that guy Ben
Speaker 1: Wattenberg in the book The Birth Dearth, where you know,
Speaker 1: there was like like and within it talking about this
Speaker 1: like you know, this neo conservative guy Ben Wantenberg saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: the biggest issue is the low amounts of white babies
Speaker 1: being born in this country too, or else there will
Speaker 1: be a demographic inversion if this isn't addressed. And that's
Speaker 1: another element of like this is something that was toldly,
Speaker 1: like this person was in the pretty upper echelons of
Speaker 1: our government and you know, with a near presidents and ship.
Speaker 1: So his ideas are getting out there. And that is
Speaker 1: something that you have to keep in the back of
Speaker 1: your mind too, that there are people who look at
Speaker 1: that who you know, because there are many American people
Speaker 1: who have fear of the of the brown America, that
Speaker 1: they look at this too and look at the statistics
Speaker 1: that you know, the amount of white people having abortions
Speaker 1: is like large more significant than you know, people of color.
Speaker 1: So there it's easier for them to say, well, if
Speaker 1: we can knock that off, then maybe we can help
Speaker 1: the numbers. But immigration too, so it's a little bit hard.
Speaker 1: Plus you've got the race mixing there. That's like there's
Speaker 1: so many of these like other ways like that, these
Speaker 1: fucking ghoules look at how how life works in such
Speaker 1: a different way, which is like, you know, we need
Speaker 1: to cut down on immigrants. We need more white babies. Also,
Speaker 1: we're running out of people to exploit too, so it'll
Speaker 1: be good to have just more people in general. There
Speaker 1: it is, yeah, exactly, well, and the way to look
Speaker 1: at the world right is just completely inaccessible to us,
Speaker 1: right right, Like I cannot empathize with that. I cannot
Speaker 1: put myself in your shoes. I don't know what that
Speaker 1: would be like, you know, I can't connect to it.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. But also should put into perspective just how
Speaker 1: hard they're going to fight any sort of labor organizing movement.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they're there. There's stories every day about
Speaker 1: Starbucks and Amazon doing the fucking absolute most to try
Speaker 1: and stop it. It's kind of a miracle it's gotten
Speaker 1: as far as it has. The labor movement. Well, I
Speaker 1: think the difference is right, You're the thing that these
Speaker 1: people who are at the levels of our economy don't
Speaker 1: realize is that people are experiencing lack at such an
Speaker 1: intense level. They can't just like brush it off like
Speaker 1: maybe they could fifteen years ago and be like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, do we need to unionize. They're saying it
Speaker 1: could be bad if we do. Now, people like I
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck, like this is the only option
Speaker 1: to try and guarantee myself to kind of outcomes. I
Speaker 1: need to live a life and that kind of energy.
Speaker 1: You can't really bottle that ship up unless you the
Speaker 1: only way you can stifle that is to give motherfucker's
Speaker 1: more money. That's really the only thing you can do.
Speaker 1: Like if if you're trying to you know, stem the
Speaker 1: flow of or rising unionizations, that's really the only thing
Speaker 1: to do because at the end of the day, that's
Speaker 1: what they're fighting for. So until you give them that,
Speaker 1: that fight is going to continue. But I just do
Speaker 1: want to say, like with this, like with Amazon, they're
Speaker 1: kind of in this spot where like they don't know
Speaker 1: what to do about this issue because each potential quote
Speaker 1: unquote fix has drawbacks from their perspective, right, Like they
Speaker 1: don't want to go full robot and go fully on
Speaker 1: automation because then a lot of people are gonna be like,
Speaker 1: you see what these companies are, Like, they're just there
Speaker 1: to take the human labor, then pivot to this other
Speaker 1: thing and leave people completely jobless so they can make profits.
Speaker 1: So like that's gonna be a little bit of a
Speaker 1: pr nightmare. And then you start paying people more, they're like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you could start paying
Speaker 1: people more, that's like less than bonuses, that's less than
Speaker 1: other like frivolous projects. The company might want to just
Speaker 1: throw money away on like rocket ships and ship and
Speaker 1: like in places like Phoenix, they were so desperate to
Speaker 1: keep people like at the warehouse despite the shitty conditions.
Speaker 1: The manager is there were basically told by HR they're
Speaker 1: like a man, any of your write ups that you
Speaker 1: normally write up for like being inefficient or like all
Speaker 1: that nasty draconian ship that goes on here, we're actually
Speaker 1: just not We're going to exempt them because we're hanaford
Speaker 1: to fire people. So just so you know. And I
Speaker 1: think the thing that I'm trying to figure out is
Speaker 1: if this was written as like a an alarm bell
Speaker 1: from people who work in there, just to be like
Speaker 1: just so you know, like you can't keep doing this
Speaker 1: ship or is it truly like you know, that real
Speaker 1: terminator mindset where they're like running out of bag holders
Speaker 1: by like this is much change. This is an Amazon
Speaker 1: internal document version of like humanitarianism. They're right, that's but
Speaker 1: it's like so foreign and like devoid and like divorced
Speaker 1: from any sort of care for a human that like
Speaker 1: that they know their audience and they're like, well, the
Speaker 1: way to put this is that actually by describing the
Speaker 1: humans who work for us as a depleting resource that
Speaker 1: will be fully depleted by which is is wild but
Speaker 1: uh and also probably won't work. But you know, Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: the robots thing is gonna that's the direction they're gonna
Speaker 1: take it ultimately, right, no doubt A robot doesn't have
Speaker 1: you don't have to consider a robots fucking humanity, you know,
Speaker 1: and like that's that's that's all it is. It's like
Speaker 1: I just need a thing that will constantly churn out
Speaker 1: like activity from my revenue stream. And these humans got
Speaker 1: this idea, like they got rights and ship or like
Speaker 1: some ship about a living ways from a funk that
Speaker 1: get these robots in here. That is the they'd much
Speaker 1: rather do that, you know, And you already see it
Speaker 1: like in certain places, like there's already like semi automated
Speaker 1: McDonald's a ship. I can't that ship is stupid first
Speaker 1: of all, Like it's so confusing to use some fucking
Speaker 1: gigantic screen to order the simplest shit. I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I mean, I do understand it's cheaper to just have
Speaker 1: a thing plugged in than to pay someone fucking healthcare.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's just so much like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like you just we're constantly just seeing the inefficiency of
Speaker 1: like there, they're like they're constant pursuit of like maximum
Speaker 1: profit or to be like the largest employer in the
Speaker 1: world or whatever without realizing like how it you know,
Speaker 1: you're just burning through people as you do it. No,
Speaker 1: they realize, I mean right, but now they're at a
Speaker 1: point where they're like, fuck though, our our workplace is
Speaker 1: so fucked up, we don't burn through the whole fucking
Speaker 1: and now and that's what's funny, which is now it's
Speaker 1: almost like, holy sh it, our shitty business practices like
Speaker 1: it does. Actually it's coming back around because now we've
Speaker 1: completely purged anybody who would want to even fucking work
Speaker 1: for us, because they've sucked off to another place. Now
Speaker 1: what do we do? And that's what's kind of like
Speaker 1: the weird, you know, sort of horrifying dimension of that memo.
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